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Emergency Preparations / Re: BugOut planning or ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK
« Last post by NWPilgrim on Today at 09:24:23 PM »
Being stuck in a large city would not be good long term after a massive and widespread disruption such as an EMP. I think the wild card in making a decision is whether you have dependent family members.  If I was alone in a city, I would make sure that I have decent portable and vehicle bug out bags always at the ready. And cash stashed as well.  If a sudden event happened I think it would be best to exit the congested city as quickly as possible by whatever means available: old vehicle, bicycle, walking, boat, etc.  I think you could have 12 hours of relative safety before a mass exodus and local rioting and mayhem began to spread.  You should be able to cover at least 20 miles in that 12 hours if you start right away walking.  Most people will be in disbelief or underestimate the seriousness of the event and will NOT be mass evacuating like they would with a weather event and several days/hours notice. Assuming of course you have planned for an alternate location of a friend, family or such in an outlying area.  This is pretty drastic in that you are leaving your newish vehicle, home, furnishings, etc behind.  But the overall priority has to be immediate personal safety and the best way to stack the deck in your favor is to get away from the dense crowd.  That buys you some time to assess the unfolding situation and decide what to going forward, but from a base of safety and probably with other close people you can brainstorm with and combine resources.

If I have a family in the city with me then it becomes much more difficult.  If we were all at home at the time the EMP occurred I would do the same as described above.  BUT, if it happened during the day and everyone is scattered at places of school and work, then it may be that by the time I can gather everyone back home safely I have lost the window of safely existing the city.  Then I would start executing a bug-in plan: minimize exposure outside, check in with neighbors, set up night watches at least within my property and if possible with several other neighbors (did they make it home yet?).  I would plan to shelter in place  for at least a week, but be looking for a good time to exit the city in reasonable safety.  It would be good if I was able ahead of time to establish agreements with several friends/family along a bug-out corridor such that my family and I could migrate out of the city in steps, make it a few miles each day and stay overnight with each friend. The stepping stone distance would depend on the age and health of myself, wife and kids.  But every mile further out one gets the more safety increases.

Overall, if I were in a city and concerned about EMP event I think it would be worth having an inexpensive older vehicle that could make an escape very easy in that first 12 hour period of relative calm, or if necessary a couple of weeks later.  It could be fixed up enough to be a daily driver, or just kept up with minimal maintenance as an backup/escape vehicle.  I would go with a full size van so that it seats everyone and you can haul maximum gear protected from elements and observation of contents.  With our without family it is good to have a bug out as well as bug in plan and preps.  The key thing is to have decisions points already established in your mind and among family/friends: if an unexpected severe event happens then you are bugging out within the first few hour (3-4 max); if you don't make it out before everyone else figures it out and hits the road then you bug in for at least 1-2 weeks and assess your next best opportunity and pathway for getting out.  Secondly, is having a chain of friends/family along your bug out route that you can stop over with and not have to try to cover 300 miles in one grueling effort.

I can't imagine trying bug in for months in the middle of a city after an EMP event.  Storms and such give some warning, are fairly short term and localized, and can be recovered from in due time. An EMP would be widespread and long lasting and very sudden. I think after a couple of weeks it could become pretty dangerous especially trying to keep multiple family members safe.  Maybe a single person could manage it but it would be better to consolidate with other like minded adults to share watch periods and resources and ideas.  Long term, water has to be a big concern.  Not like you have a creek nearby (within a few blocks) to draw it from. Water storage, filtering, purification, containers has to be in place.  Then food has to be stocked up, you can't depend on getting any more supplies of any sort for months at least.
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Other, absolutely all American Panel companies have been driven out of business by these subsidized by the Chinese government solar panels. But, the American ones have never cost double what the Chinese imports have cost.

But, this has been going on for many, many years ! Why so late with such a ruling ? Kind of like closing tha barn door after the horse has got out, the damage done has been done and may well be irreversible at this point

On my roof our made in America Panels whose companies no longer exist. AstroPower ( plant bought out by GE after bankrupcy) and Evergreen.
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So, was the problem that the old charger starting charging at too high an amperage, or that it kept charging long after needed?  How long after full charge do you estimate the damage started happening? Did the charger normally have an auto shutoff feature that failed?  Or was it the power adapter that failed and passed too much current to the charger and batts?

The reason I ask is that my old Maha charger does not say anything about having an automatic shutoff feature, yet I have left a full load of AA Enloops in there for at least 48 hrs at times and never noticed any excessive heat or appearance of continued charging.  I assumed even chargers from several years ago would have auto shut off and it was no longer note worthy to advertise as such.  I know the VP4 has auto shut-off protection, but not sure about Maha.

Anyway, agree with you that Enloops are amazing capacity and reliability and I have saved tons of money using them over disposables.  I probably throw out more long expired alkaline batteries from my stash now then I actually use.  I just tossed out a bunch with expiration dates 2007-2012 (I organized my desk battery drawer and discovered some in hiding).  Everything left is 2017-2027.   I guess I could use whatever remains in them but I like to work with known quantities and would rather just slip in known fresh batteries than hassle with indeterminate duration.  Thinking about it maybe I should put my expired batts into my bluetooth mouse.  That is non-critical device, lasts a long time and convenient to swap out.  Not like having a light fade out at a bad time.  About 90% of all my battery use now is either Enloop AA or Orbtronic 3400mAh 18650.
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Depending on how the Trump administration handles this, solar panel prices could rise a lot next year.

AP, 9/22/17: Trade Panel Finds Cheap Imports Hurt US Solar Industry

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A U.S. trade panel has ruled that low-cost solar panels imported from China and other countries have caused serious injury to American manufacturers, raising the possibility of the Trump administration imposing tariffs that could double the price of solar panels from aboard.

Friday’s vote by the International Trade Commission was unanimous. The trade commission has until mid-November to recommend a remedy to President Donald Trump, with a final decision on tariffs expected in January.

Georgia-based Suniva Inc., and Oregon-based SolarWorld Americas brought the case, saying a flood of imports have pushed them to the brink of extinction. Suniva declared bankruptcy, while SolarWorld had to lay off three-quarters of its workforce. ...

Suniva’s U.S. operations are based in Georgia, but the company’s majority owner is in China. SolarWorld Americas is a subsidiary of German solar giant SolarWorld, which declared insolvency last month. ...

Abigail Ross Hopper, president and CEO of the Solar Energy Industries Association, called the trade commission’s 4-0 vote disappointing for nearly 9,000 U.S. solar companies and the 260,000 Americans they employ. ...

“Here is the real story of this case: We have two foreign-owned, poorly managed companies using U.S. trade laws to put U.S. manufacturers out of business and causing U.S. employees to lose their jobs,” she said.
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Sorry I cost you so much,I don't think one could have enough light source's if it's SHTF AKA Puerto Rico....and me and you are neighbors and have light... are neighbors too the left and right.....know we have light...., it'll be nice to pass on light to our neighbors.but the things I post are always bargains and I can only buy such on my budget. I will get mine Sunday with a half dozen #10 cans of food purchased for an average $7 a can for chicken with rice,brown sugar,fast cook oatmeal,scrambled egg with bacon and peppers...I can't let this pass as my grocery budget can use such low cost food today...not just for later.

Karma bro
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I wonder how good the AM band reception is?  Is the tuning rubbery? 

As I said above ,it received AM and FM in my BOL,though probably sympathetic from my Ham loop feedline. The tuning is nothing special though it acts like AFC is working on all the bands as stations 'pop' in and lock in without the tuner creeping when the knob is released. I am impressed for such a low cost radio that appears to be NEW but may be a second from the factory and AMAZON has a great return policy for 30 days and most electronics works or fails fast...mine works.
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You know what I like about this radio?  It's just a damn radio.  No memories, no scanning feature, no SSB.  On SW it only goes up to 18MHz, which covers all the bands you're going to get anyway.  The knobs on it say "Tuning" and "Volume" not "VFO" and "AF Gain".  To change bands, there's a slide-y switch, likewise for on/off.  Intuitive stuff.

It's almost like it was designed to be useable by normal people.  You could hand one to most anybody and they'd say "Oh, I get it.  Here, let me find some news."

It's not for me, but I could see giving these to beginner-prepper friends.  Plenty of time to get and test one before Christmas.  I wonder how good the AM band reception is?  Is the tuning rubbery?  Some of the reviewers have it not lasting so long (but there're always a few of those).  I've got too many little radios around at the moment, but maybe I'll get a few other things off Amazon in the next month or so.
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Got one on the way...I think this is new to our market form China (unconfirmed) we will all see this on tv commercials soon I think.

Sorry I cost you so much,but the things I post are always bargains and I can only buy such on my budget. I will get mine Sunday with a half dozen #10 cans of food purchased for an average $7 a can for chicken with rice,brown sugar,fast cook oatmeal,scrambled egg with bacon and peppers...I can't let this pass as my grocery budget can use such low cost food today...not just for later.
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Got one on the way...I think this is new to our market form China (unconfirmed) we will all see this on tv commercials soon I think.
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Current Severe Emergency Situations / Re: Hurricane Maria
« Last post by Carl on Today at 06:17:10 PM »
just talked to my husband.  He said that J and family have tickets for Sunday 24, if the airport is open by then.

PR airport is being used for relief traffic and should return to 'normal' within 2 weeks I have heard on the shortwave a day or so ago.
More reliable power for radar,radios etc as passengers require better stability than currently available ( my best estimate)
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