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Accipiter.wilt

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I'm having a slight malfunction...
« on: August 19, 2009, 04:46:38 PM »
So, it has long been a dream of mine to one day become the ultimate archer ::). Dreams no doubt inspired by hopeless fantasies which I blame on Peter Jackson and the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. I began archery as a youngster with a PSE Jr. Archery set a LOOONG time ago. Since I have moved beyond the 20 lb weight (not to mention the indeterminably small draw length) I decided that when I took up the archery craft again my next bow would be traditional rather than a compound bow. That being said I went out and found a suitable bow which met my budget and level of experience (or ineptitude :-\). That being said my current dream draw is a stick-bow 78" long with a 40lb draw weight at 28 inches. (Don't tease me about the draw weight, its a fun bow not a serious hunters gig).

Anywho, I have been taking it out back every morning to get a feel for the bow and have had a problem. My nocks on my arrows keep breaking right after my release. The first few I blamed on old or defective arrows...but after about 10 breaks, 5 of them brand new arrows I began to doubt my thesis. After trying to find a mention of this issue online (without fruition) I have decided to humbly submit my problem to you... Actually I decided to toss it out there and see if it fell on anybody...

The Arrows I am using are Safety Glass 28" with target points on them and rated at 40 lbs.
Thanks guys.
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Re: I'm having a slight malfunction...
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 08:13:46 AM »
Those arrows are basically kids arrows & they may be rated to 40#, but they aren't made to be shot out of an adult bow.  Also, never shoot plastic vaned arrows out of a traditional bow.  The plastic vanes will interfere with proper arrow flight because they don't give enough when going past the shelf & riser.  You need feather fletching for trad bows.

Do you know what your actual draw length is?  If not, do a search for "measuring draw length for a traditional bow".  Learn how to measure your draw length & then buy suitable length adult arrows for your bow.

All bow weights are measured at 28" (40# @ 28"), but that doesn't mean you only draw the bow to 28" or the length of the arrow.  In fact, if your drawing 28" arrows my guess is you're not drawing to full anchor because the arrows aren't long enough....unless you have extremely short arms.  You should have approximately 1" of arrow left beyond the arrow shelf at full draw. 
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Re: I'm having a slight malfunction...
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2009, 11:34:22 AM »
Ahh, ignorance is bliss. ::) Thanks for the corrections, I was truly lost. However, would my not pulling beyond 28" put undue pressure on the nocks themselves? I guess its time to hit the local archery store and see if they even have feather fletched arrows.

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Re: I'm having a slight malfunction...
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2009, 02:56:22 PM »
I second DEV's appraisal of your problem.  Fiberglass shafts are really heavy.  This is not a problem in a Youth bow. 

But, a full sized bow is just putting way too much stress on the nocks because that big, heavy 'glass shaft doesn't want to get moving.

Don't sweat the draw weight of your bow.  You really don't need as much poundage as the compund guys like to think you do.

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Re: I'm having a slight malfunction...
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2009, 03:58:17 PM »
BowMaster I'm not, but I had an alignment issue on a bow once with the little crimp on nock "sets" and the previous owner had them about an inch out of square with the arrow rest.  Upon release, the arrow would take this wild ride up and down in a small arc until the fletching stabilized it.  And I broke a lot of nocks off the arrows until it was corrected.

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Re: I'm having a slight malfunction...
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 05:00:13 PM »
Dammit Tim is smart!  I didn't even think about the nock set being in the wrong place!  If you have a bow square, check that the nock set is installed in the right place.  If you don't have a bow square...get one and then check that the nock set is installed in the right place. ;D

The string may be upside down.

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Re: I'm having a slight malfunction...
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2009, 05:32:38 PM »
Dammit Tim is smart! 

Yes, yes I are.  No, not really TB, just been there-got the T-shirt kinda dealio.  I've dealt with many a sight misalignment issue on everything from slingshots to howitzers my friend.

Thanks for my 1st quote for my sig block too TB!

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Re: I'm having a slight malfunction...
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2009, 05:48:33 PM »
BowMaster I'm not, but I had an alignment issue on a bow once with the little crimp on nock "sets" and the previous owner had them about an inch out of square with the arrow rest.  Upon release, the arrow would take this wild ride up and down in a small arc until the fletching stabilized it.  And I broke a lot of nocks off the arrows until it was corrected.

Tim.


Actually, the nock isn't necessarily supposed to be square with the arrow shelf, in fact it almost never is if your bow/arrow combination is tuned well.  It should be a bit higher than the shelf depending on how the arrow flies from the bow...nock location & movement is part of the tuning process.

My nocks are generally 3/8 to 5/8 of an inch high on my bowstring depending on the spine/weight & type of field point/broad head I'm shooting.
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Re: I'm having a slight malfunction...
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2009, 05:52:23 PM »
Dammit!  Now DEV is smart too.

Exactly.  Not in line with the arrow shelf...slightly above it.  Which is why if the bow was restrung upside down...your nock set would be in the wrong place in relation to the arrow shelf.

See...I are smart too!!

Now...where'd I put that danged howitzer alignment tool?

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Re: I'm having a slight malfunction...
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2009, 06:31:56 PM »
Dammit!  Now DEV is smart too.

Exactly.  Not in line with the arrow shelf...slightly above it.  Which is why if the bow was restrung upside down...your nock set would be in the wrong place in relation to the arrow shelf.

See...I are smart too!!

Now...where'd I put that danged howitzer alignment tool?
LOL...I ain't smart.  'Cause it never occurred to me that his string might be upside down, or that his nock wasn't in the right place....

I was just spouting some general stuff about arrow length & tuning, I didn't even think of those. ;)

Accipiter, don't worry about the draw weight of your bow.  Like TB said, trad archery is a whole different animal than shooting a wheelie bow, for one thing you won't have any let-off & the farther you pull your bow string back, the more weight you'll be holding/pulling.  40# is perfectly acceptable for hunting or shooting, especially for a new shooter.  Learn proper form & drawing to anchor consistently & you'll find that your bow is up to whatever task you ask of it.

One of my favorite hunting longbows isn't much heavier than 40#. 
We live, my dear soul, in an age of trial.  What will be the consequences, I know not.
- John Adams, letter to Abigail Adams, 1774
If tyranny & oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
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Heavy G was right. All the threads back here do end up as gay porn.  :o
See...
Okay, just so it is noted, Doc is the one who started the gay porn on this thread.  ;D

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Re: I'm having a slight malfunction...
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2009, 02:51:56 PM »
Thanks to everyone who posted! I just got a brand new set of arrows in the mail and MAN WHAT A DIFFERENCE! I guess it was the arrows and not the string. Thanks again guys!