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Title: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 23, 2012, 10:51:05 AM
As of this post book 3 is not yet available, but no reason we can't start speculating :)

Burning questions...

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Post by: Jeff NH on September 23, 2012, 02:11:40 PM
Saw the threat title. Thought book 3 was out. Looking forward to it!
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Post by: PrepperJim on September 23, 2012, 04:42:16 PM
As of this post book 3 is not yet available, but no reason we can't start speculating :)

Burning questions...

  • Will Lisa pull her head out in time?
  • Will Nancy complete her metamorphosis into a demon?
  • Which of the "good guys" will make a horrible mistake and what will it be?
Something dramatic will have to happen for Lisa to fully extract her cranium from her, um, armpit.
Nancy will become a jack-booted thug.
I am a little suspicious of Chip. He just showed up at the cabin and lied about where he was moving the guns. But, frankly, I am not good at ferreting out who the traitors are in any story.
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Post by: bob3 on September 23, 2012, 05:36:00 PM
That's one thing that bugged me -- Lisa's an ER doc.  I know two in Miami aand they live in the sh*t.  The type isn't one for looking for angel-farting unicorns, they deal with what's in front of them, brutally, and then on to the next one.  After the attack on Cole, the physical/emotional transition to the cabin, and being shown up a bit by her daughter, I think it's go-time.  On a selfish level, I hope this is the case because I want my wife to read this, but right now, books 1 & 2 are a little misogynistic, with women as idiots or budding tyrants.  I believe this is intentional as a setup, and that Lisa's going to be a star.  Nancy's on a path to a quick drop followed by a sudden stop.
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Post by: Heavy G on September 23, 2012, 07:41:59 PM

I want my wife to read this, but right now, books 1 & 2 are a little misogynistic, with women as idiots or budding tyrants. 


Book Three will be great for wives to read...
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Post by: bob3 on September 24, 2012, 03:47:28 AM
Looking forward to it!  Thank you for the fun read so far. 
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Post by: fritz_monroe on September 24, 2012, 05:01:31 AM
Want me to really spoil it for you?   Remember I was given the privilege of reading the full 10 book series.

Will Nancy complete her metamorphosis into a demon?
I'm only 80% through the 10 books so don't know what happens to Nancy in the end, but I was shocked at her actions.
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Post by: Heavy G on September 24, 2012, 06:13:22 AM

Want me to really spoil it for you?   Remember I was given the privilege of reading the full 10 book series.
I'm only 80% through the 10 books so don't know what happens to Nancy in the end, but I was shocked at her actions.


Fritz: Book Ten is a doozy for Nancy's character.  You'll be surprised--and love--how it ends with her.  Not exactly what you think.  But kinda. 

Trust me: Nancy in the end is not a comic book super villaincharacter.  Because that's not real life.  But she's a really bad person.  That's real life.
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Post by: Heavy G on September 24, 2012, 06:39:50 AM
Regarding Lisa possibly getting over normalcy bias, you'll enjoy Chapter 90 ("A Case of Tuna, Big Boy") in Book Three. 

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Post by: backwoods_engineer on September 24, 2012, 08:53:03 AM
Re: Lisa's an ER doc

I don't that being an ER doc automatically immunizes one from normalcy bias.

Even if an ER doctor saw gang-bangers with gunshots and pill-heads with couch lock each and every day, they would KNOW that they could leave the freaky-deaky behind and come home to their "normal" life.

When the "unnormal" comes to your neighborhood, there is nowhere "normal" to go.

Unless you have a husband with a cabin up at Pierce Point... but Lisa has to get used to a new definition of what "normal" is to accept the trip with the Team to Pierce Point.

How do I know that?  Have I read all 10 books? NO.  It's because Heavy G is writing about what everyday people do, and I have seen this behavior in real life, too.
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 24, 2012, 10:16:31 AM


  • Which of the "good guys" will make a horrible mistake and what will it be?

What I meant by that wasn't necessarily treachery, just a goof up.  Maybe one of the many folks seeking Grant's protection will violate op-sec.  Or perhaps they neglected some mundane, but critical prep that leads to trouble.

The bigger the group, the bigger the chance some one does something stupid.  That's true with companies, governments and even a group of guys out backpacking.
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Post by: fritz_monroe on September 24, 2012, 11:38:01 AM
That happens several times, but I don't think during book 3.  Later in the series I know there are several OPSEC breeches.
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Post by: NWPilgrim on September 24, 2012, 11:50:06 AM
Fritz: Book Ten is a doozy for Nancy's character.  You'll be surprised--and love--how it ends with her.  Not exactly what you think.  But kinda. 

Trust me: Nancy in the end is not a comic book super villaincharacter.  Because that's not real life.  But she's a really bad person.  That's real life.

And that is one of the aspects of 299 Days I really enjoy.  I find myself anticipating all kinds of lethal treachery at every turn because that is what other survivalist novels do: everyone outside "the group" is a threat, either by violence or stupidity.  You've kept 299 Days based on real life actions and while people can betray and plot against you, it doesn't happen at every turn or to the mutant zombie biker level.  Some people really are your friends!

I think a big threat long term in such a situation will be the neighborhood snitch who brings the normally can't-be-found authorities to confiscate your goods or detain/arrest you.  I'm not too worried about my neighbors becoming cannibals that I have to put down.
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Post by: fritz_monroe on September 24, 2012, 11:57:23 AM
Trust me: Nancy in the end is not a comic book super villaincharacter.  Because that's not real life.  But she's a really bad person.  That's real life.
I see her as a true believer.  Most true believers are dangerous when their entire belief system comes into question.

BTW, the entire series has been great, but I'm getting to parts that I have trouble putting the book down.  I started reading it on vacation and got 100+ chapters into it.  Over the past month I've gotten 120+ chapters further along.  Now I'm volunteering to take the kids to additional activities that my wife would normally take them to so that I have more time to read.
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 24, 2012, 12:32:22 PM
"Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
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Post by: kangaroojoe on September 24, 2012, 01:06:37 PM
Finished the first two....now I gotta wait :'( for number 3.  But it has been good so far... I was a little sad at the Grant and Lisa situation, I wish Grant hadn't  left as he did but I cant imagine dealing with an 'ostrich' like Lisa.  I guess its what she needed but I still didnt like the fact that the kids were left behind.  But anyways.... GREAT read so far.  Kuddos to Heavy G for writing this.... just wish there was more available to read ;D     So hurry up and get it out already! ;)
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Post by: Heavy G on September 24, 2012, 10:29:16 PM

I see her as a true believer.  Most true believers are dangerous when their entire belief system comes into question.


Yep.  Nancy represents the true believers.  They're out there.  I work with them.
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Post by: fritz_monroe on September 25, 2012, 05:05:34 AM
Yep.  Nancy represents the true believers.  They're out there.  I work with them.
Unfortunately, so do I.
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 25, 2012, 09:13:29 AM
Yep.  Nancy represents the true believers.  They're out there.  I work with them.

AKA "loyalists" ?
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Post by: MTUCache on September 25, 2012, 09:37:57 AM
  • Will Lisa pull her head out in time?
I think this has been pretty well established. She's gotten a good look at the Team's capabilities, she's seen what can happen to her family if she doesn't take action, and she's got the skills to be a HUGE asset to this new group of people. I see her really falling for Grant all over again and being a perfect compliment to his perspective (they dis-trust different types of people).
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  • Will Nancy complete her metamorphosis into a demon?
Frankly, I'm surprised to hear that she's even continuing in the story. I was expecting her to take a midling role in the new "Peace Keeper" force and then fade into oblivion as things continue to disintegrate. If she remains a presence throughout the series I don't see her becoming the primary antagonist. Personally, I'm a hell of a lot more scared of Menlow and how he's developing. Personal vendettas are well and good when people are forced to be in the same area, but now that they're all out at the cabin I don't think Nancy has the tools to reach them. Menlow, on the other hand, looks to have far more ambition and resources than Nancy.
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  • Which of the "good guys" will make a horrible mistake and what will it be?
So hard to tell at this point. If this was any typical novel you would be 99% confident that a few of the more minor heroes would get a bullet, if for no other reason than just to give the story a crutch through the next handful of books.... but I get the distinct feeling that "Glen" purposely avoided that. I see either a huge surprise (one of the primary protagonists), or (hopefully) nobody ends up dying from a mistake.

Hard to tell with so many characters left to show up. I've got a feeling Special Forces Ted is going to show up with a mixed bag... a few good guys who will add to the Team and a few traitors who will cause some real problems. Between them and the rest of the cabin's neighborhood, there's going to be another 20-50 people inside that perimeter that will all need to come together as a team very quickly before the chaos spreads to them. The checkpoint at the road could be the least of their problems if they've got internal strife and there's other ways out onto the Pointe that Grant doesn't know about yet (trails, boats, etc)...
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Post by: NWPilgrim on September 25, 2012, 12:54:57 PM
The checkpoint at the road could be the least of their problems if they've got internal strife and there's other ways out onto the Pointe that Grant doesn't know about yet (trails, boats, etc)...

I am waiting for this  ;)   Having grown up on the bay in that area even as kids we traveled by boat and beach to most places.  By the time I was 12 I had my own aluminum boat and a 3hp 1940s Evinrude I bought with lawn mowing money.  Used it for fishing but also to go into Olympia, across the bay to Cooper's Point, Over to Squaxin and Hartstine Island and points in between.  The Sound is very active with boaters from sailboats, fishing boats, cruisers, and small runabouts. There would definitely be marauders coming by boat.  The first time I drew a gun on someone was when I was 16 and chased very aggressive hippie oyster robbers off our beach who arrived by sailboat (yes, only in liberal Olympia do you get that combination!).  In a SHTF scenario there would be a lot of theft and home break-ins via the water.

And of course most of the woods around there have some network of trails the local kids use to traverse and explore.  These would not be exploited right away, but over time would be used as the more obvious avenues get protection.

Title: Re: 299 Days: [Title TBD] (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 25, 2012, 05:43:13 PM
Myself being another western WA local, I think covert movement over short distances would be fairly easy given the terrain.  Near the foothills there are miles of hiking/single track trails in very dense coniferous forest. 

I think it'd be fairly easy for some rogue group to conduct raids and retreat into the nearby trails.  This of course wouldn't last long, but during a partial collapse this might go on for a few weeks without consequence.
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Post by: Ken325 on September 26, 2012, 12:56:28 AM
Just finished book one and two and I really enjoyed them.  I give it 5 stars and can't wait for the next one.  At first I thought the pace would be too slow, but it was just right.  One of my favorite parts is the voice in his head and the Christian references in the story.

I have read a lot of this type of fiction and most have an element that is not realistic.  For example, somehow finding the supplies or people that are needed at just the right time.  My other personal favorite is where they still have a supply of gasoline when everyone else is one foot.  We are so addicted to cars that we cannot see people functioning without them.  I think that gas will be gone before we lose power, cell networks, the internet, and before the grocery stores are empty.  I think that one second after is the most realistic as it depicts the majority of people starving to death. 

On Lisa-  I worked in a ER and the docs that I saw were very familiar with blood, death and dying. I also found that they live in a world of privilege and many lack the ability to empathize with others.  It will be interesting to see how this is resolved.  I wonder if Amanda is mad about being left behind.  I would be really angry if I was her.

I also wonder how this will be wrapped up in 299 days.   I hope a real collapse will be resolved that fast.  I think that this implies a lot of organization with a larger group or community forming.   I guess that we will have to wait and see.  I hate waiting for the next book to come out. 
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Post by: Heavy G on September 26, 2012, 05:18:24 AM

I also wonder how this will be wrapped up in 299 days. ...  I think that this implies a lot of organization with a larger group or community forming. 


 ;D
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Post by: bob3 on September 26, 2012, 06:57:47 PM
Heavy G, this is really kinda fun with you taunting us with smileys.  Of course, for your release strategy of book pairs separated by months, spiced with teases and hints here, I wish you a mild case of exema equal to our prolonged annoyance, but thank you just the same.   ;)
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Post by: Heavy G on September 26, 2012, 09:24:17 PM

Heavy G, this is really kinda fun with you taunting us with smileys.  Of course, for your release strategy of book pairs separated by months, spiced with teases and hints here, I wish you a mild case of exema equal to our prolonged annoyance, but thank you just the same.   ;)


 ;D ;D
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Post by: backwoods_engineer on October 02, 2012, 09:34:58 AM
Looking forward to today's interview on Jack's show, and hoping for some kind of early release of Book 3 to MSB members!
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 02, 2012, 10:10:41 AM
At first I was annoyed waiting for the next pair of books, but I've made it this far. 
As a kindle owner, it's not like I'm out of content...

I've been reading these:

http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/

Almost done with the last of the Enemies Trilogy.  I highly recommend them, but only after you buy and read 299 Days of course :)
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Post by: backwoods_engineer on October 02, 2012, 04:06:51 PM
At first I was annoyed waiting for the next pair of books, but I've made it this far. 
As a kindle owner, it's not like I'm out of content...

I've been reading these:

http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/

Almost done with the last of the Enemies Trilogy.  I highly recommend them, but only after you buy and read 299 Days of course :)

+1 on both the EFAD series and Kindles.  If you liked the Trilogy, you will like "Castigo Cay" as well.  No Ranya Bardiwell (alas), but Matt writes good, intelligent female characters, and there's one in Cay you'll like.  Both the male leads in Cay have character reminiscent of a couple of the recurring EFAD characters.
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 02, 2012, 05:10:01 PM
+1 on both the EFAD series and Kindles.  If you liked the Trilogy, you will like "Castigo Cay" as well.  No Ranya Bardiwell (alas), but Matt writes good, intelligent female characters, and there's one in Cay you'll like.  Both the male leads in Cay have character reminiscent of a couple of the recurring EFAD characters.

Oh, I read Castigo Cay as well and enjoyed it.  While I enjoyed the story, it was similar enough to the "Enemies" that my brain tried to connect the plots in some way.

Anyhow, sorry for hijacking the thread, but that's going to happen when we're force to wait several weeks for book 3  :knitting:
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Post by: backwoods_engineer on October 02, 2012, 05:22:03 PM
Oh, I read Castigo Cay as well and enjoyed it.  While I enjoyed the story, it was similar enough to the "Enemies" that my brain tried to connect the plots in some way.

Anyhow, sorry for hijacking the thread, but that's going to happen when we're force to wait several weeks for book 3  :knitting:

Just so we swerve back on topic, I think that both the Lisa character and the auditor's assistant (Jeanette?  can't remember the name) are both believable female characters.  Sometimes it's difficult for male fiction authors to do credible female characters; they come out as harpies, sluts, or furniture.  Not so here; both G and Bracken write women well, I think.
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 03, 2012, 08:38:18 AM
Just so we swerve back on topic, I think that both the Lisa character and the auditor's assistant (Jeanette?  can't remember the name) are both believable female characters.  Sometimes it's difficult for male fiction authors to do credible female characters; they come out as harpies, sluts, or furniture.  Not so here; both G and Bracken write women well, I think.

The fact that the female characters elicited an emotional reaction from me is evidence of that.
Deep down I was frustrated with Lisa's normalcy bias because I know that's real to a degree.  If it was implausible I wouldn't have cared as much.

Also, if this was made into a movie, Jeanie should be played by some smoking hot actress.   (Thanks for tolerating my occasional shenanigans on these threads).  ;D
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Post by: Heavy G on October 03, 2012, 10:42:33 PM

Also, if this was made into a movie, Jeanie should be played by some smoking hot actress.   


She's hot in real life.
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 04, 2012, 11:01:27 AM
She's hot in real life.

Either I'm psychic, or you're a decent writer to have made that impression. 
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Post by: backwoods_engineer on October 04, 2012, 11:39:29 AM
She's hot in real life.

Yeah, like Smurf, I got that impression, too. 

Great writing, G.

Speaking of female characters, I also found Lisa's mom and Mrs. Ngyuen very believable.  Heck, I KNOW ladies like Mrs. Ngyuen.
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Post by: bob3 on October 04, 2012, 05:36:47 PM
Either I'm psychic, or you're a decent writer to have made that impression.

Why do you think the manipulative aspiring despot kept her around?!?  (In the story, G, not aware of the person IRL).
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Post by: pokeshell on October 07, 2012, 05:59:25 PM
I loved the first 2 books, but I had at least 3 times where it was so (badly) edited, that it popped me out of the book, and back into life. In the second book, one characters is seen a "cute" by one of the women. It is written almost the same way in the very next paragraph.  I stopped reading, and started to try to figure out if Grant was trying to emphasise how cute he was, or if the duplicates were a mistake in editing.

But, good job on the first 2 anyway, and look forward to the rest coming out. I like the fact that I know where some of the research came from(I can remember the thread).

PokeShell
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Post by: Heavy G on October 07, 2012, 08:46:20 PM

I loved the first 2 books, but I had at least 3 times where it was so (badly) edited, that it popped me out of the book, and back into life. In the second book, one characters is seen a "cute" by one of the women. It is written almost the same way in the very next paragraph.  I stopped reading, and started to try to figure out if Grant was trying to emphasise how cute he was, or if the duplicates were a mistake in editing.

But, good job on the first 2 anyway, and look forward to the rest coming out. I like the fact that I know where some of the research came from(I can remember the thread).

PokeShell


Yep, PokeShell, some typos in Book Two were a problem, but the publisher fixed them.  Consider the copy you have as a "collector's edition" 'cause there aren't too many of them out there.
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Post by: Jonathon January on October 13, 2012, 10:13:32 PM
I hate this thread solely because I saw the title and raced to amazon to order it.....

Then I find out its not out....   

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Post by: TexDaddy on October 14, 2012, 09:58:59 PM
...Speaking of female characters, I also found Lisa's mom and Mrs. Ngyuen very believable.  Heck, I KNOW ladies like Mrs. Ngyuen.
I really like Mrs. Ngyuen. I hope she makes it through.
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 23, 2012, 11:23:18 PM
Heavy g,

Do we have a title for book 3 yet?  I'd expect since we're merely weeks away you could divulge that much.

I'll update the thread topic if you decide to share.  :)
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Post by: rikkrack on October 24, 2012, 05:55:31 AM
Any chance of early release for dedicated readers and fans like TSP audience....? 

Hint Hint..... ;D
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Post by: Heavy G on October 25, 2012, 09:07:43 PM

Heavy g,

Do we have a title for book 3 yet?  I'd expect since we're merely weeks away you could divulge that much.

I'll update the thread topic if you decide to share.  :)


I'm checking with the publisher on whether I can disclose the title early.  Probably not, but I'll see.
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Post by: Heavy G on October 25, 2012, 09:09:22 PM

Any chance of early release for dedicated readers and fans like TSP audience....? 

Hint Hint..... ;D


I wish.  There's so much logistics to publishing a book. 

If you entered in your email address on the home page of www.299Days.com, you should get the first notification of when Book Three and Book Four are up on Amazon.
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 30, 2012, 09:52:36 AM
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Post by: rikkrack on October 30, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
Is that the real book three or you just messin with us....

So do we have a countdown clock until we can get it yet?
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Post by: backwoods_engineer on October 30, 2012, 10:57:39 AM
Mods, can we get the thread title changed to 299 Days: BOOK 3: The Community - book discussion etc?

SO MUCH looking forward to this book.  I am going to try to read slower this time and savor, instead of experiencing a 2-month hunger strike for the next book!
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Post by: 16onRockandRoll on October 30, 2012, 01:39:48 PM
Are the books all similar in length to 1-2?
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Post by: Heavy G on October 30, 2012, 08:48:43 PM

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/76220_367021930051966_299765127_n.jpg)


Not sure how smurf hunter got the cover for Book Three, but I can verify that this is the correct cover.  This is not a spoof.

"The Community" is about the people at Pierce Point forming up a community. 

Book Four is called...  Guess you'll have to wait on that one.
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 31, 2012, 08:57:27 AM
Not sure how smurf hunter got the cover for Book Three, but I can verify that this is the correct cover.  This is not a spoof.

"The Community" is about the people at Pierce Point forming up a community. 

Book Four is called...  Guess you'll have to wait on that one.

Either I'm a mole from the NSA, or I follow the facebook page.  Let the conspiracy theories begin :)
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Post by: Melodee on November 04, 2012, 04:34:54 PM
I hate this thread solely because I saw the title and raced to amazon to order it.....

Then I find out its not out....   

Ditto ~~  or rather...  "Roger that"  :-)
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Post by: Serenity Gulch on November 05, 2012, 09:20:43 AM
I'm planning on rereading books 1 and 2 this week in hopes that 3 and 4 will be out before Thanksgiving.
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Post by: MTUCache on November 13, 2012, 03:35:34 PM
Not sure whether I got an advanced copy or not... but I'm having a hard time believing that nobody has commented on Book 3 yet. I tried to hold back after downloading it last night, but I'll probably finish it on the train home this evening.

HeavyG, I have one request.... I MUST have a map of the Pierce Point area. Something to help me put this geography together in my head, put relative distances between areas of the community, and just wrap my head around how this went from a handful of houses to 200+ houses.

Still the same minor editing issues, but I'm really loving the story so far. A lot of anticipation about something horrible happening at some point, but happy to see that all characters are happy and healthy to this point.  ;D
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Chemsoldier on November 13, 2012, 04:47:02 PM
OK what up with Amazon?  It claims it was published on the 10th.  Another entry on Amazon claims the 11th.  I looked for it earlier today and didnt see anything at all when most books have a pre-release entry.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Chemsoldier on November 13, 2012, 04:52:29 PM
Book downloaded on kindle: Check
Frosty Adult Beverage: Check
Coffee Pot set for the AM to help me get up after staying up too late: Check

See y'all  tomorrow.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: rikkrack on November 13, 2012, 05:06:31 PM
Book 3 & 4 now available!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on November 13, 2012, 08:57:15 PM

OK what up with Amazon?  It claims it was published on the 10th.  Another entry on Amazon claims the 11th.  I looked for it earlier today and didnt see anything at all when most books have a pre-release entry.


The publisher uploads the books (hard copy and Kindle) and they get into the Amazon system at different times. 

The publisher is out of town until Nov. 15 so we're waiting to do the launch until he gets back.  But was very persistent that we needed to get Book Three and Book Four up onto Amazon ASAP, so he did.

Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on November 13, 2012, 08:58:00 PM
Please, please, please do an Amazon review on Book Three.  They are enormously helpful.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Serenity Gulch on November 14, 2012, 06:32:54 AM
Dang, I signed up for the email list so I could get notification from the publisher when books 3 and 4 came out and have heard nothing from them.  >:( I spent last night re-re-reading book 2 when I could have been reading book 3!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: backwoods_engineer on November 14, 2012, 03:30:03 PM
WOOHOO!  BOOKS 3 & 4 ON THE KINDLE!

Thanks Heavy G!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: EOTS on November 14, 2012, 03:58:16 PM
reading this now...FINALLY. Haven't told DH I got it yet so I can read it first...  ::)
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: backwoods_engineer on November 14, 2012, 05:20:04 PM
SPOILER ALERT-------------------------------------------------------

I just read:
"they were witnessing the beginning of the Second Texas Republic."

I wanted to stand up and CHEER!

If Texas really did do that, I would start packing my house RIGHT NOW!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on November 14, 2012, 09:54:12 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: markl32 on November 14, 2012, 10:33:07 PM
Dang, I signed up for the email list so I could get notification from the publisher when books 3 and 4 came out and have heard nothing from them.  >:( I spent last night re-re-reading book 2 when I could have been reading book 3!

Ditto.  I guess I'll try to sign up again. 
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 15, 2012, 09:52:39 AM
1/3 way through - only reading time I've had was an hour at the tire shop and the bus ride to work this morning.





Thoughts so far:

GOOD

I like the explanation economic/market conditions of the team during the "milk run".  There's a lot of gray area between "normal" and "apocalypse" with regards to retail inventory and prices.

The characters are starting to develop a bit.  More people (besides Nancy) need to lose their sh#t and freak out to add some tension to the plot, but I presume that will happen with time. 


BAD

The food logistics don't seem solid.  How many deer steaks does the neighbor lady have?  If I had 60lbs. of meat in my freezer, I'd feel reasonably stocked for my 4 person family, but feeding 15 hungry people dinner each night, that wouldn't last long.  How is Grant keeping the stash of guns, and to a lesser degree the stash of food preps hidden from the group?  I've personally hosted holiday dinners for 20 people, and basically our entire fridge + garage freezer was dedicated to ingredients for that single meal.  You'd need a secret barn, not just a spider shed to stockpile the quantities in question.

Maybe I didn't track the end of book #2 as well as I could have, but it seems like the government went from a fiscal crisis to LA Riots + Hurricane in barely a week.  I get the angry entitlement mobs, but we jumped from that to NorthCom leadership defecting to the Republic of Texas.  Seems a stretch that people's mindsets could transition so far so quickly.

Would it be possible for you to sketch out a Visio diagram or similar for the Pierce Point layout?  Obviously don't violate OPSEC, but my mental impression from the previous books is wrong.  I mentally pictured a few acres with cabins and out buildings, but given the head count, and geographic features described.  I realize this can't be.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: MTUCache on November 15, 2012, 03:25:42 PM
Would it be possible for you to sketch out a Visio diagram or similar for the Pierce Point layout?  Obviously don't violate OPSEC, but my mental impression from the previous books is wrong.  I mentally pictured a few acres with cabins and out buildings, but given the head count, and geographic features described.  I realize this can't be.
Ditto... I've got some real Middle-Earth brain warp going on when I read about the developing community, constantly wishing I had a map at the beginning of the book to flip back to and reference.

I started out thinking this was a single peninsula with a couple dozen cottages on it. Now that I'm about half-way through book 4 it's apparent that we're talking about at least a few different roads, plenty of different beaches, a couple hundred households, and even some existing farmland. I expected my scale of this place to be off by a little, but it seems like I mis-judged this by at least a factor of ten.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: backwoods_engineer on November 15, 2012, 03:41:34 PM
Heavy G, in the third paragraph of Chapter 107, there is a typo.  I think "bid deal" should be "big deal."  Just thought I'd let you know for the next edition.  Thanks!  Loving the books so far.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: JC2 on November 15, 2012, 06:59:26 PM
Here i was reading "The Art of Fermentation" last night when i could have been reading book three. I guess i need to get signed up for email alerts.
"The Art of Fermentation" is a good book with lots of knowledge but it doesnt compare with my doomer porn "299 days":)
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Serenity Gulch on November 16, 2012, 06:30:30 AM
So Grant can shoot three punks in a gun battle but freaks out over having to buy tampons? Men!  :rofl:

He's obviously never heard of the Tactical Adventure Medical Preparedness Outdoors Necessity (T.A.M.P.O.N.). http://artofmanliness.com/2012/06/05/survival-tampon/ (http://artofmanliness.com/2012/06/05/survival-tampon/)
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: backwoods_engineer on November 16, 2012, 09:09:10 AM
I am finding this "mini republic" idea, that gets started late in Book 3 and really gets rolling in Book 4, very interesting indeed.  Given that the Founders wanted to guarantee every state "a Republican form of government", and found that important enough to put in the Constitution, tells me they wanted "mini republics" everywhere.  Oh, how much better our country would be if our Founders' vision held sway today.  I wish to God every community took self-government as seriously as "Pierce Point."

Congrats on a thought-provoking, exciting, funny, enjoyable book series, Heavy G!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 16, 2012, 10:15:26 AM
Regarding Bellevue, WA.

The phone conversation between Steve (auto parts store in Forks) and his boss Todd struck me odd.  The book mentions there are no gun stores in Bellevue due to city zoning, etc.  While Bellevue is certainly yuppie central, and guns are not "common", there are a number of retail gun stores, including West Coast Armory which is a popular AR-15/tactical accessory spot.  I know people at Microsoft and other software companies that participate in the indoor shooting leagues after work.

Personally I don't patronize the Bellevue stores much, as they are over priced and largely cater to mall ninjas. 

As info, I work in the downtown commercial center of Bellevue.  Previously I worked in downtown Seattle for many years and Eastside (Bellevue) is much more conservative - perhaps clueless rich people, but you don't see Ché Guevara tattoos or pot being smoked in public as you might in Seattle.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on November 16, 2012, 05:52:53 PM

So Grant can shoot three punks in a gun battle but freaks out over having to buy tampons? Men!  :rofl:


I honestly think it would be easier to shoot three punks than to buy tampons.  The book speaks the truth.  Men are goofy.  *guilty as charged*
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on November 16, 2012, 05:55:31 PM

I am finding this "mini republic" idea, that gets started late in Book 3 and really gets rolling in Book 4, very interesting indeed. 


This is why a friend of mine in the special operations community (who read an advanced copy of all ten books) said that this book is the best description of an American insurgency that he's ever seen. 

Thanks for the kind words, backwoods.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 19, 2012, 12:18:12 PM
That phobia of buying tampons must be for show. 

You want to test your resolve?  Try to muster to courage to buy some Vagisil.  Buying tampons will seems like buying Oreos.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on November 19, 2012, 08:52:53 PM

You want to test your resolve?  Try to muster to courage to buy some Vagisil.  Buying tampons will seems like buying Oreos.


Ha!  Good one. 

Truth be told: after I wrote that part of the book, I bought a bunch of tampons for the ladies in my family.  I felt like a total weirdo.  There is no rational reason why.  I cannot explain it.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on November 21, 2012, 04:18:17 PM
Buying a box or two doesn't bother me. Buying a cart or two would make me feel like a weirdo. Definetly something to start putting away now so you can do it a box at a time ;D
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: FrugalFannie on November 21, 2012, 05:59:25 PM
G I have to sy I am a bit disappointed. I was expecting more boom boom!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Alan Georges on November 21, 2012, 06:02:15 PM
You want to test your resolve?  Try to muster to courage to buy some Vagisil.  Buying tampons will seems like buying Oreos.

*snerk!*  Been there, done that, got the look.

ps- finished the book this morning.  Outstanding!
pps- bought the Vagisil two towns over.  With cash.  Just in case.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on November 21, 2012, 07:27:03 PM
Just finished it. I have to say G, great job. I don't know if this will carry over to people who didn't "know you" from the forum before reading the book, but there is a weird dynamic for me. I know from following your stories on the forum, that much of book 1 is based on your life and past experiences. I'm now getting into book 4, and it still almost feels like you are really telling a story of what has happened. The reality injects realism to the fiction parts if that makes sense.

I've only had books 3-4 for a couple days, and I'm already looking forward to the next installment.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on November 21, 2012, 08:49:09 PM

The reality injects realism to the fiction parts if that makes sense.


It makes a lot of sense.  I was hoping people would feel what I was getting at.  You did.  That makes me happy.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: rogersorders on November 22, 2012, 02:34:07 AM
Heavy G, not really a big fan of the EROL type of stuff going on in the book. Not because I think it won't happen but because I think it will happen and I don't want to think about it  :( I work for the military and I could see some difficult decisions in the future should we go down this road  :-X

The way you described the people wandering aimlessly through town during the supply run was very similar to a zombie movie  :zombie: Military and LE have been "training" to handle a zombie outbreak. I personally think they're being desensitized to handle unruly civilians.

Overall they're great books.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on November 22, 2012, 05:19:48 AM

Heavy G, not really a big fan of the EROL type of stuff going on in the book. Not because I think it won't happen but because I think it will happen and I don't want to think about it  :( I work for the military and I could see some difficult decisions in the future should we go down this road  :-X

The way you described the people wandering aimlessly through town during the supply run was very similar to a zombie movie  :zombie: Military and LE have been "training" to handle a zombie outbreak. I personally think they're being desensitized to handle unruly civilians.

Overall they're great books.


Thanks, rogersorders.  Let's hope we're both wrong.

Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PrepperJim on November 22, 2012, 03:40:45 PM
I'm on book 4, but I must say, building this community is just too damn smooth. Facing down one yuppie fool in a town hall meeting would be the least of Grant's worries. People are far more selfish and a lot less eager to share what they have "for the common good". In my opinion, you would deal a lot more with people wanting to be in control or just having different ideas about everything. This has a whole "Roberts Rules of Order" feel. I just think post-collapse would be far messier and less rational. There would also also be more physical confrontation like fist fights. Just my opinion.

Overall, I like the book, it just needs more common conflict. If I were a prepper caught in that situation and Rich and Grant wanted to run everything, you bet I'd want more say in now things run. There would be those who wanted to run things by committee (hey, let's set up a committee for this that and everything). Those people would drive everyone nuts with their bureaucracy.

But, it is a good read.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on November 22, 2012, 07:54:23 PM


Overall, I like the book, it just needs more common conflict.


There will be more conflict out at the Grange in Book Five and Book Six.  And the opening chapter of Book Seven is the full of conflict.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PrepperJim on November 22, 2012, 10:19:05 PM
There will be more conflict out at the Grange in Book Five and Book Six.  And the opening chapter of Book Seven is the full of conflict.
I want shooting and I want it now. What good are the AK's if they just stay strapped to your chest?? :-)
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Hootie on November 27, 2012, 01:38:57 PM
just finished book 3...
love the way introduced Grant's sister... I would bet she makes an appearance later on in the series.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on November 27, 2012, 08:39:59 PM

love the way introduced Grant's sister... I would bet she makes an appearance later on in the series.


Yep.  She's sprinkled in all the way through Book Ten and the Epilogue.  She gives you a really good sense of what the "Lima and lovin' it" people think.  ("Lima and lovin' it"?  What does that mean?  You'll see.  I don't actually use that full phrase, but you'll understand what the Lima are and why Grant's sister is lovin' it.)
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Chemsoldier on November 30, 2012, 04:57:22 PM
In Chapter 73, Tom is exploring the trashed offices of WAB and pulls his Sig 9mm pistol.  When he does so he makes a point of verifying the safety is off as Grant taught him to do.  I am no Sig expert, but the 226, 228 and 229 models I have handled all have only a decocker on them.  None I have handled have a safety that can be "engaged" or verified to be off.  Is there a 9mm Sig I aint tracking?

It could be that Tom checked to see if the safety was off even though there was no safety, but it seems odd since Grant taught him to check this and Grant gave them limited instruction on their particular and identical Sig pistols.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Absit on November 30, 2012, 08:49:13 PM
In Chapter 73, Tom is exploring the trashed offices of WAB and pulls his Sig 9mm pistol.  When he does so he makes a point of verifying the safety is off as Grant taught him to do.  I am no Sig expert, but the 226, 228 and 229 models I have handled all have only a decocker on them.  None I have handled have a safety that can be "engaged" or verified to be off.  Is there a 9mm Sig I aint tracking?

It could be that Tom checked to see if the safety was off even though there was no safety, but it seems odd since Grant taught him to check this and Grant gave them limited instruction on their particular and identical Sig pistols.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that had to think hard on that one.  Without searching, I think the X5 (is that right?) may be single action only and have a safety in 9mm..maybe.  Do the plastic SIGs run a safety?
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Community (Book Three) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on December 02, 2012, 06:46:36 AM
Good point, guys.  I didn't want to blow the flow of the scene by having to explain "decocking" to readers who didn't know what that was.  I try very hard to make the story "jargon-free."  For most readers, "safety" and "decocker" are the same thing.

Besides, from Tom's frame of reference as a new shooter, a decocker would be a "safety."

I'm a Glock guy and don't use manual safeties... or decockers.