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Title: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: amanadoo on November 21, 2009, 06:52:57 PM
I know that talking to people who do not participate in the Survivalist lifestyle has come up on the show several times. However, it seems to me to be a little bit different for women. I can explain what I do to any given man, and even if he doesn't "get it" in his own life, he will usually understand the rationale behind it. However, the only women I've found I can speak freely to about this are VERY old. I'm in no way trying to slam women on the whole, but this has definitely been my experience.

The *worst* is how women automatically denigrate things like cloth diapers, momma pads and doing things "the hard way". I don't mind being the odd woman out, but I am getting pretty sick of having things that I believe in, strongly, from both a moral and personal standpoint, being dragged through the mud before I even get a word in edge-wise.

Has this been any one else's experience? I never even get the chance to try to bring folks around to our way of thinking, because the women I talk to (family and friends alike) get so hung up on small details, like baking bread from scratch. YEAH I KNOW it's available at the store. But it's important to me to build these skills.

I bet that in SHTF, all those same women would be looking to me to help take care of them and their children. Annoying.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: sarahluker on November 21, 2009, 08:33:46 PM
And that's when you tell them that you wont do everything yourself but you are willing to teach them.  Somehow that would feel right on many levels.  We are a spoiled society and anything that threatens that structure sends many people into a tailspin. 
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: ebonearth on November 22, 2009, 10:01:11 PM
I find the best way to get women interested is to show them up. Mind you, I am not advising anyone take this path, since reactions can be awesome or terrible. Make something amazing, present it nonchalantly, repeat. Eventually when you are consistently making things off the cuff that are prettier, better or seemingly more luxurious than something pricey and store bought, one or two of them will come around. This is especially notable when it comes to charitable fundraisers, children's school events, church functions and other such situations where people like to put their best foot forward and often overextend their budget. Also I have seen that if you keep the sort of garden that people oft admire and praise in your absence, that also helps. The latter I have not experienced personally yet (show garden is for next year) but I learned from someone else who happens to practice permaculture in her gorgeous garden.

If the above sounds catty or offensive I apologize, I'm just speaking from my own experience.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: amanadoo on November 23, 2009, 06:07:11 AM
I find the best way to get women interested is to show them up. Mind you, I am not advising anyone take this path, since reactions can be awesome or terrible. Make something amazing, present it nonchalantly, repeat. Eventually when you are consistently making things off the cuff that are prettier, better or seemingly more luxurious than something pricey and store bought, one or two of them will come around. This is especially notable when it comes to charitable fundraisers, children's school events, church functions and other such situations where people like to put their best foot forward and often overextend their budget. Also I have seen that if you keep the sort of garden that people oft admire and praise in your absence, that also helps. The latter I have not experienced personally yet (show garden is for next year) but I learned from someone else who happens to practice permaculture in her gorgeous garden.

If the above sounds catty or offensive I apologize, I'm just speaking from my own experience.

I don't think you sounded catty at all. No more than I did in the original post anyway. I really like what you have to say here, and it is absolutely true. I guess I never really connected the dots in that way. Kind of "kill them with awesomeness" :)
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Herbalpagan on November 23, 2009, 06:42:27 AM
I make my appeal, give them "One Second After" to read. If they come back, we give them "The Creature from Jekyl Island". If that doesn't work, they are relegated to the status of "aquaintances" and that's it. I don't have time to waste on people who think they are smart, see the situation and yet are too lazy to do anything about it. Those that are too stupid to see the situation, never hear my opinions or know about prepping, because they are the ones that will show up to rob me.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on November 23, 2009, 07:51:10 AM
I know that talking to people who do not participate in the Survivalist lifestyle has come up on the show several times. However, it seems to me to be a little bit different for women. I can explain what I do to any given man, and even if he doesn't "get it" in his own life, he will usually understand the rationale behind it. However, the only women I've found I can speak freely to about this are VERY old. I'm in no way trying to slam women on the whole, but this has definitely been my experience.

The *worst* is how women automatically denigrate things like cloth diapers, momma pads and doing things "the hard way". I don't mind being the odd woman out, but I am getting pretty sick of having things that I believe in, strongly, from both a moral and personal standpoint, being dragged through the mud before I even get a word in edge-wise.

Has this been any one else's experience? I never even get the chance to try to bring folks around to our way of thinking, because the women I talk to (family and friends alike) get so hung up on small details, like baking bread from scratch. YEAH I KNOW it's available at the store. But it's important to me to build these skills.

I bet that in SHTF, all those same women would be looking to me to help take care of them and their children. Annoying.

I agree with ebonearth that the best way to reach people is to show them a different approach and don't explain yourself unless they want to listen to your reasons. Over the years a lot of my friends initially responded with ie:  eew, why do you go hunting? bambi killer, yuck I'd never eat that and I certainly wouldn't want to butcher it - can't you let someone else butcher it;  why do you grow such a huge garden?; why do you can all that food when you can go to the grocery store and buy it when we could be going to the mall; and my favorite is YOU CARRY A GUN-what do you think will ever happen that you would need a gun? Some of these folks are still friends - some get it - some don't.  I don't explain myself I just do what I do and like ebonearth said present them with gifts of home harvested food, homemade vanilla, handcrafted items, etc and show them a better life than running to the grocery store or mall. Most people think I'm odd - except here on the forum with you guys.  You all get it.  It's just a backwoods/survival type of lifestyle.  My own family (Mother, Brother) will not eat at my house unless we have something like chicken because they are scared to eat elk, antelope or buffalo my husband or I shot. They are afraid it'll make them sick. Um - we've never had ecoli in this house but I see plenty of recalls at the grocery stores. They don't get invited often as I don't need the grief.  The flip side of this is that my nephew and his wife were here and they had a thousand questions about the lifestyle we live.  They get it and want to emulate us. We turned them on to TSP and they love it.  I bought them survival books for Christmas (JACK I WISH YOUR BOOK WAS DONE - I HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE I'D GIVE IT TO FOR CHRISTMAS - GUESS I'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR!!!) 
 
And to amanadoo you are right - the older generation of ladies seem to get it more (although some of us are NOT that old darling).  Perhaps some have lived closer to the depression years or had parents or grandparents that were influential and knew the value of a dollar. I had neither but lived a tough life as a young adult so I learned to make do or do without.  We have done a disservice to our younger generation by handing them everything they ever wanted or thought they needed and see them as children until they are in their 20's. My dh ran his own construction business on the side when he was 16 and as soon as he graduated from high school he ran it full time until taking a job with the utility company.  Nowadays a 16 year old isn't allowed to do anything like that.  I moved out on my own when I was 17 and still in high school. I had an apartment (I worked 2 jobs after school). I'm not sure either scenario would be ALLOWED by our government these days.

So amanadoo  just keep doing what you think is right and know that a grasshopper mindset isn't easily changed.  I applaud your efforts in living they way you do.  Blessings, TBM 
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Ann on November 23, 2009, 03:42:57 PM
You really have to tiptoe around the subject with some people, and it's sad as hell.

I'm behind the curve.  I'm 45, and I'm really just getting started.  I've tried talking to the ladies that are my friends in a manner of "hedging against inflation".  The rest are hobbies.

I haven't had ONE really get interested in the survivalist lifestyle.  I probably won't.

Try this, I got this from one of the guys.  It's just a technique to try to see if they can come around on their own...

If you know what her hobbies are, burn a cd with podcasts referring to her hobbies.

It's an idea.  If she hears "the survival podcast" she may turn it off immediately, but at least it's a try.

You can only do so much.  If your relatives choose to be grasshoppers, you have to take care of your own first.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Kayzonara on November 25, 2009, 05:55:51 AM
I find the best way to get women interested is to show them up. Mind you, I am not advising anyone take this path, since reactions can be awesome or terrible. Make something amazing, present it nonchalantly, repeat. Eventually when you are consistently making things off the cuff that are prettier, better or seemingly more luxurious than something pricey and store bought, one or two of them will come around. This is especially notable when it comes to charitable fundraisers, children's school events, church functions and other such situations where people like to put their best foot forward and often overextend their budget. Also I have seen that if you keep the sort of garden that people oft admire and praise in your absence, that also helps. The latter I have not experienced personally yet (show garden is for next year) but I learned from someone else who happens to practice permaculture in her gorgeous garden.

If the above sounds catty or offensive I apologize, I'm just speaking from my own experience.
So true, as I discovered quite by accident.

For awhile, I got into the quest to bake the perfect chocolate cake.  Every week for about a month, dh was taking cake in to work.  This then triggered a rash of wives baking, as I guess they got tired of hearing how good my homemade cakes were. 

Maybe I'll start canning and dehydrating food and have him take it in.  ;)
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: sarahluker on November 25, 2009, 08:21:15 AM
Make some fantastic jams.  Bake some biscuits for him to take with them and boy will their wives hear about it.  Could start another trend.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: War_Eagle on November 28, 2009, 04:20:26 PM
I know that talking to people who do not participate in the Survivalist lifestyle has come up on the show several times. However, it seems to me to be a little bit different for women. I can explain what I do to any given man, and even if he doesn't "get it" in his own life, he will usually understand the rationale behind it. However, the only women I've found I can speak freely to about this are VERY old. I'm in no way trying to slam women on the whole, but this has definitely been my experience.

The *worst* is how women automatically denigrate things like cloth diapers, momma pads and doing things "the hard way". I don't mind being the odd woman out, but I am getting pretty sick of having things that I believe in, strongly, from both a moral and personal standpoint, being dragged through the mud before I even get a word in edge-wise.

Has this been any one else's experience? I never even get the chance to try to bring folks around to our way of thinking, because the women I talk to (family and friends alike) get so hung up on small details, like baking bread from scratch. YEAH I KNOW it's available at the store. But it's important to me to build these skills.

I bet that in SHTF, all those same women would be looking to me to help take care of them and their children. Annoying.

I'm a guy, so I hope you don't mind me butting in here.

My wife and I got into this very gradually. I can see how it would be strange for someone not familiar with it to be confused or taken aback when presented with it all at once.

I would just start with one area and go from there. I would start with something like "we weren't comfortable with getting our electricity from conventional means because we've seen how easily it can be knocked out in a storm or by a drunk driver." Or, you might just say, "we decided to try sustainable electricity because we realized that we were spending far more on our electricity through taxes and hidden fees than it was worth."

I just start by explaining that I had some health problems that caused my wife and I to seriously re-examine the way we ate. When we decided to eat healthier, we planted a garden" and then go from there.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: OC Celtic Lass on November 28, 2009, 06:26:14 PM
I know that talking to people who do not participate in the Survivalist lifestyle has come up on the show several times. However, it seems to me to be a little bit different for women. I can explain what I do to any given man, and even if he doesn't "get it" in his own life, he will usually understand the rationale behind it. However, the only women I've found I can speak freely to about this are VERY old. I'm in no way trying to slam women on the whole, but this has definitely been my experience.

The *worst* is how women automatically denigrate things like cloth diapers, momma pads and doing things "the hard way". I don't mind being the odd woman out, but I am getting pretty sick of having things that I believe in, strongly, from both a moral and personal standpoint, being dragged through the mud before I even get a word in edge-wise.

Has this been any one else's experience? I never even get the chance to try to bring folks around to our way of thinking, because the women I talk to (family and friends alike) get so hung up on small details, like baking bread from scratch. YEAH I KNOW it's available at the store. But it's important to me to build these skills.

I bet that in SHTF, all those same women would be looking to me to help take care of them and their children. Annoying.
I know that many cannot even perceive the idea of a survivalist. I just tell them little bit by little bit, to encourage people or women to do for themselves and be self-sustaining. Many do not understand, because they are programed to have it easy to get food at the store, etc. I just tell them, "Did you know that there is only 2 or 3 days of food available at the grocery store at a given time, if everyone were to stock up, like during a hurricane or an emergency........they seem to be really concerned about that.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: ebonearth on November 28, 2009, 06:54:41 PM
I'm behind the curve.  I'm 45, and I'm really just getting started.  I've tried talking to the ladies that are my friends in a manner of "hedging against inflation".  The rest are hobbies.
Actually you are not, considering the embarrassingly low percentage of people who even consider prepping just taking that first step puts you ahead of just about everyone else. :)
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Baby Girls on December 02, 2009, 04:18:59 AM
Amanadoo,
One thing that I have realized young is that you can only help people who want to be helped. Maybe its my life experience, that would make me say a comment like that but that is what I have always encountered. I have realized the same things with people of my age group. At least in the area where I am from half are medicated and the other half are on illegal drugs.I'm 30 years old, and it seems like everyone I was friends with just doesn't get it. Key word here is WAS friends with. They either think your weird for not being superficial and shopping, wasting money and living day to day. Truth is, if it all snapped tomorrow, they and their family would starve because they didn't prepare and learn the traits that they needed to when they had the time.  I am married with three kids and I agree with many people when they say you take care of your own first. I have an elderly woman from the depression era that lives behind me and I talk with her often. One thing she taught me was that Rome wasn't built in a day. She talked with me about how they lived off of potatoes and how to cook them in different ways. I strive to learn each day that passes and I take as much information in to better myself from people who are gracious enough to help me. I tried to talk with people I am acquainted with about prepping but they showed no interest. I figured I have enough to worry about than to worry about someone who doesn't care to help themself. I apologize if this offends anyone, this is just the personal experiences that I have encountered with people. That is why I am thankful for this forum, there is people out there!!! I have realized that there are people like me and have the same mentality in homesteading. I am thankful for these wonderful people that share vital information in helping those who want to help themselves. 
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: LvsChant on December 02, 2009, 08:49:56 AM
I think one thing that is universal for Moms would be the interest in taking care that their children have enough to eat.

That particular tack has worked (at least to some extent) with my younger sisters who have little kids. Particularly when the first round of swine flu scare went around, I was able to encourage them to keep enough food around the house to make it without shopping for a couple of weeks to a month.

With other friends, I have found that a simple discussion about the political climate and the economic uncertainly can often lead to a need to prepare for harder times. That may segue into a discussion about being more self-reliant.

I've also had great fun talking about my wonderful garden and encouraging others to start growing something because it is just so fun!

Using these conversation starters, I found a group of women who wanted to learn the basics of canning... I invited them over to my house to learn how to make pickles and jams. While they were there, I gave them a foodsaver demonstration and showed them my dehydrated foods. We also talked about how much more healthy homeground wheat bread is... they are still waiting for me to get around to putting together a home-ground bread demo...

I wouldn't really call any of them preppers (except for one friend who got inspired to get going), but they are all open to the idea and see it as regaining lost arts that our forbears knew how to do. With most of them, I don't even discuss big-time food storage -- just encourage them to take precautions in case of quarantines, etc.

I haven't found women to generally be negative about it in my circle of acquaintances... (except for my siblings who think I am nuts... but they have a better idea of how much we are doing to prepare than my casual acquaintances). In fact, I'm finding a lot more folks out there in the woodwork who are also preparing in their own way now that my antennae are up and tuned in...

For those who are (even in this economy) still mall queens... well, they are perhaps delusional anyway, if that is how they like to spend their time. It may take a lot more than a friend giving them a gentle nudge toward reality to change them... don't let it discourage you. Just find folks who share your interest in the skills you want to gain and share information.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: eno on December 02, 2009, 05:10:23 PM
I find that after a major storm hit, people are MUCH more interested in prepping. A few years ago, we got 2 feet of snow (GASP!) - a huge deal when you only get a couple of inches every other year or so (Piedmont, North Carolina). The ice that came with it, and the continuing freezing weather for a couple of weeks later, meant that the entire area was shut down for at least a week; many rural areas were without power and public services for two weeks, and it took almost 3 weeks before the roads were clear enough to reach my Mom's house 25 miles north. I live in the city limits, and it still took 4 days to get the electricity back on. It's amazing what an extended lack of electricity in winter can do to a suburban housewife's mindset...

Maybe you can act as though this prepping "thing" is just a hobby - like woodworking with hand tools for a man. If you start a "Prep n Bitch" group, you might have better luck.  ;)
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: ebonearth on December 02, 2009, 09:17:03 PM
If you start a "Prep n Bitch" group, you might have better luck.  ;)
A Prep and Bitch sounds awesome!
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: OC Celtic Lass on December 02, 2009, 09:38:24 PM
Yeah, prep and bitch club......oh yeah!
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: eno on December 05, 2009, 12:34:29 PM
Actually, that would be nice - some sort of monthly meet to learn how to make bread, preserve food, use guns, etc. I feel like such a fringe dweller sometimes, it's more like a cave dweller. :)
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: deedles on December 07, 2009, 04:20:36 PM
Hi ladies, I'm new to the board and would really like to join your women's discussion threads since I am SO LONELY for a female friend that 'gets it'. 

Every single person (male and female) that I know has no interest in self-sufficiency or says it's a good idea but will do nothing.  I think a couple of female relatives are even starting to dislike me a bit... I received an email detailing the 'chemical Thanksgiving dinner' that one sister-in-law made for her people.  She said it was darn good.  I'm sure.   ::) MSG will make anything taste good.  (Catty much?)

Eh, anyway... I've looked quite a few places for some kindred women and hope that maybe I've found some here?

I'm new to the board as I said, but I've been trying to increase my knowledge/skills the past 2+ years.  I've got a few backyard chickens and a pretty nice square foot garden going.  I'm a nurse so I'm also trying to learn as much about alternative health as possible... pretty much disillusioned with mainstream everything including *health* care.  Okay, enough about me... I saw the topic and it really struck home so I just wanted to say 'HI' to the bunch. 

Deedles
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on December 07, 2009, 04:51:24 PM
I welcome you Deedles to the forum - sounds like you are off to a great start. I too have a backyard flock of chickens - oh better make that pet chickens as they haven't laid an egg in 2 months due to molting and very nasty cold weather here. We've tried lots of stuff but decided new chicks will be had come spring and these guys definitely will be dinner. You will find many prepper survival-minded self-sufficient type ants hanging around here. Too bad about SIL and her chemical laden food - someday when she or her children or husband are sick maybe it'll strike home (but I hope not for all of their sake). Our world has been seduced by the food companies into believing that if you open a box, bag or carton you're life will be so much better and the food is great. Um - no.  I actually get severe  tachycardia from MSG and did you know if you give it to animals it can kill them.  Hope her dog or cat doesn't get any leftovers.

Glad you stopped in.  There's lots of ladies who will gladly help and encourage you - me included.  Blessings, TBM
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: deedles on December 07, 2009, 05:21:09 PM
Thank you for the warm welcome!  It's greatly appreciated.  I do look forward to growing my knowledge base.... the more I learn the more I realize I don't know!

It's great to be here!
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: OC Celtic Lass on December 09, 2009, 09:13:43 AM
Thank you for the warm welcome!  It's greatly appreciated.  I do look forward to growing my knowledge base.... the more I learn the more I realize I don't know!

It's great to be here!
Deedles, good to have you here to talk to! I envy the women who have chickens, etc. I know how to raise chickens, etc. but I live in a place where I can only have a small garden. We bought a bug out property, but have to stay by income to pay to set it up and pay everything off. I have lived as a child in Michigan and had to do everything from scratch. Can't wait to live on bug out property! It is so interesting what everyone has to say. Everyone has something they know well and learning from everyone else new stuff. Awesome! Good to know you.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: amanadoo on December 09, 2009, 09:45:25 AM
Hi ladies, I'm new to the board and would really like to join your women's discussion threads since I am SO LONELY for a female friend that 'gets it'. 

Every single person (male and female) that I know has no interest in self-sufficiency or says it's a good idea but will do nothing.  I think a couple of female relatives are even starting to dislike me a bit... I received an email detailing the 'chemical Thanksgiving dinner' that one sister-in-law made for her people.  She said it was darn good.  I'm sure.   ::) MSG will make anything taste good.  (Catty much?)

Eh, anyway... I've looked quite a few places for some kindred women and hope that maybe I've found some here?

I'm new to the board as I said, but I've been trying to increase my knowledge/skills the past 2+ years.  I've got a few backyard chickens and a pretty nice square foot garden going.  I'm a nurse so I'm also trying to learn as much about alternative health as possible... pretty much disillusioned with mainstream everything including *health* care.  Okay, enough about me... I saw the topic and it really struck home so I just wanted to say 'HI' to the bunch. 

Deedles

I ditto the others, Welcome!
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Ann on December 09, 2009, 11:06:04 AM
Hi ladies, I'm new to the board and would really like to join your women's discussion threads since I am SO LONELY for a female friend that 'gets it'. 

Deedles

Welcome from yet another.  IMHO you have found one of the most welcoming communities I have ever found.  The folks here are knowledgable and friendly.  I guess it's because here...we ALL GET IT.

Check the internet for local gardening groups, use the phrase "sustainable" in a gardening search.  You might be surprised.

You have to worry about your own family first.  Most of us have grasshopper relatives who think we're nuts.  Friends too.  Just keep at it.  What you're doing isn't wrong or crazy.

We're here for you, and we will help where we can.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: livingmydream on December 16, 2009, 03:22:02 PM
I have noticed this for sure. But I also have noticed that women who stay home are a little more opt to understand. Most of these women do already cook from scratch etc... and maybe even have more time to devote to researching, trying out different things just for fun. I have a dear friend who just by watching me has decided to cloth diaper. But many moms in my own homeschool group were so completely disgusted when I nonchalantly mentioned cloth pads. They couldn't even fathom the idea! It is frustrating!
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: OC Celtic Lass on December 18, 2009, 09:50:57 AM
I have noticed this for sure. But I also have noticed that women who stay home are a little more opt to understand. Most of these women do already cook from scratch etc... and maybe even have more time to devote to researching, trying out different things just for fun. I have a dear friend who just by watching me has decided to cloth diaper. But many moms in my own homeschool group were so completely disgusted when I nonchalantly mentioned cloth pads. They couldn't even fathom the idea! It is frustrating!
Hey, I saved hundreds of dollars using cloth diapers! Wait, 3 kids times hundreds of diapers = over a thousand dollars I'm sure. But, we I went away from home I brought some disposable diapers just for away from home. Those disposable diapers were emergency diapers and very seldom actually needed them. Alright.......you get it! Awesome!
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Baby Girls on December 27, 2009, 01:18:00 AM
Welcome Deedles, I too would love to have some chickens but I am like oc, cant have em where I live right now, Darn City Ordinances. I'm not quite situated yet to look for a BOL, I do on the other hand have a place to go if we have to bug out. Once home is paid off we will be able to look into that more. I do agree with the others when they say about diaper expense. I am now just starting to train my last child of three. Let me tell you.... REDICULOUS what they charge for oh, 23 diapers in a pack. Anywhere from 9 to 14 dollars in my area, depending on what brand. I did not do the cloth diapers, actually looking back I probably should have. Being only 30 I don't know if anyone else could comment on this but honestly when you get out there and have children its just assumed that you go buy a bag of pampers. All those years of brainwashing, and once they made the people dependant they hiked the price. Now a generation later that is all you really know of. If you read my porch thread I was raised in the bubble. Boy I'm glad I am wiseing up. Needless to say three kids later and thousands of dollars wasted. Hard lesson learned for me.
Anyone notice how they are advertising more to keeping kids in diapers well past the potty training years. I do agree that there are some children that have medical problems and cant help it. What I have noticed is too it  seems to me there are too a great deal of kids that are wearing diapers clear till 8 years old. Also, tons of different brands for children who are older. IMHO i feel the big wigs are trying to make a buck off peoples laziness. Does anyone notice this?
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: OC Celtic Lass on December 27, 2009, 01:20:41 PM
Maybe so babygirl. Yet, they have depends for the older folks. So, I believe we should use conveniences, till we cannot. So, get some real diapers for many emergency needs. Like, for tying off wounds and slings and emergency stuff for women, in case we run out of women's stuff. Ha. I wonder how they took care of women's needs in the old days? I'm sure it was some kind of cloth. Well anyway, if you bleach and sanitize these old fashioned diapers, they are good to go for much.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: flagtag on December 27, 2009, 02:03:16 PM
You are right, OC.  Women used cloth "rags" and reused them.  Hence the saying: "She's on the rag". (Grrr - hate that saying!)
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: OC Celtic Lass on December 27, 2009, 02:47:40 PM
You are right, OC.  Women used cloth "rags" and reused them.  Hence the saying: "She's on the rag". (Grrr - hate that saying!)

Oh yeah, that saying! Ha! Ha!
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Baby Girls on December 27, 2009, 09:56:25 PM
Thanks OC.... I will stock up on these cloth diapers. Good thing to have on hand for many of reasons.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Vashti on January 25, 2010, 05:34:42 PM
I've seen that too, Baby Girls. I love freebies, so I signed up to get some free diapers a couple of weeks ago, and the only options they gave were the huge sizes for big kids so I decided to pass on that one. It bothered me that the only free samples that pampers/huggies were giving out then were huge. Reminded me of that whole Baby Einstein fiasco encouraging mothers to buy their completely worthless and damaging products, saying that TV was actually good for babies. Ugh It never fails that good old fashioned methods are always the best, safest and surest methods for raising our children healthily into a moral adulthood, no matter what our belief systems.

As far as sharing with others go, I usually just wait until they bring up something I can latch onto. One of the mom's in our homeschool group mentioned using cloth pads...oooh I ran with that one. Another friend of our family started talking about reading a pamphlet on how the Federal Reserve Note was actually worthless, and started talking about his frustrations with the Fed. Woot...there I go again! It's easy when you can latch onto something they're already interested in. Oh, and I heartily agree with talking to new moms about how it's important to me to have plenty of food and warmth for my children in any given situation. I don't want to have to rely upon the system or the stores to provide for them, when it's in my power to make sure they are well cared for, and should be my responsibility, not the government's anyway!

All that being said, I don't really have a lot of local friends...and those are more like acquaintances. I find that a lot of people my age are more interested in going to parties and bars than taking care of their families, and they all think my husband and I are complete wackos because hubby works from home, and I'm a homemaker. We spend all our time together with our family, and everyone thinks that's horribly abnormal and talks to us like there is something wrong, like we have an "unnatural attachment" issue or something. Husband's family is the worst, thinking that I've completely ruined him and that it's my fault that he doesn't want to get a "real" job, and that he's now become a country boy. I swear, it's not my fault...we're in this together!! Besides, we both quit working at about the same time...but I digress. I suppose it only gets to me really badly when my sister-in-law says that I'm not as much of a "woman" as she is, and she's far more advanced than I, because she has a career and works in the city and I'm just a "lowly housewife". She's in her late 40's, eternally single, has no children and is very lonely most of the time. I think she's the one who's a bit "behind".

Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Baby Girls on January 25, 2010, 11:45:14 PM
Vashti.... You are not alone in the local friends issue. The things that you are doing such as latching onto a subject and running with it, is exactly what I do. I have found that people sometimes show an interest and others just yeah, yeah you. I do not have anyone my age locally, that I hang around and share interest with either. Same situation, they are too busy having party time. I am truly blessed to have a husband who does share the same interest as myself. What you and your hubby do with your children is commendable, especially in today's society. As far as his family and your sister in law. As long as the both of you know what is true then that is all that matters. I know family is brutal and hits those fine nerves. Your sister in law... hmm well as far as her attitude toward you being an at home mom. In my opinion, is jealousy. Sure she may work and have a career but that is her personal choice. I'm giving my personal opinion as I said... I do work full time and raising a family myself. My take on it... I wish I could be a at home mom. Right now don't have much of a choice. I envy the women out there who can be at home taking care of the family because as you said yourself the old fashion way is so much better. So I think it very well may be jealousy, If she isn't married I'm assuming she really don't have much of a choice but to work and support herself. Wonder if she was married would her career mean the same to her? Ask yourself these questions. As far as the comment of you being less of a woman, is ridicules. You are the backbone of your home and what you and your hubby are doing is remarkable as I already stated. Don't let ignorance change your outlook on yourself and just keep distance from it so it doesn't cause problems in your marriage as family always does find ways to do that. Hang in there!!! Good luck to the both of you.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on January 26, 2010, 08:06:33 AM

I suppose it only gets to me really badly when my sister-in-law says that I'm not as much of a "woman" as she is, and she's far more advanced than I, because she has a career and works in the city and I'm just a "lowly housewife". She's in her late 40's, eternally single, has no children and is very lonely most of the time. I think she's the one who's a bit "behind".

Vashti, one can only wonder what will happen to her in a SHTF scenario.  She'll probably be knocking on your door.  The thing I've learned in all the years doing this survivalist stuff is that a lot of times when people resent you - it's exactly what Baby Girls said, they are jealous of where you are in life (I think of the old movie Baby Boom with Diane Keaton here). AND if your husband is happy and your kids are well taken care of, just keep doing what is right for your family. Who cares what anyone else thinks - just secretly smile because you know you are doing the right thing and remember: "To be nobody but yourself, in a world which is doing it's best, night and day, to make you everybody else, means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting." - E.E. Cummings   Blessings -

And Hi to Baby Girls - I'll PM you later. Blessings on your day dear friend.  :)

Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Hozzlebozzle on March 08, 2010, 09:43:28 PM
Wow, this is a great thread. Its nice to hear the perspective of other women on this topic.. I have been listening to thesurvivalpodcast for a while now and working towards some self-sufficiency goals. But my boyfriend is somewhat less enthusiastic than me about the whole prepping thing.. He's not opposed, but he seems to be sort of... humoring me.. hahha (but what kind of woman would I be if I didn't prepare on his behalf anyway, despite occasional teasing or eye-rolling, haha)

Anyway, I'm pretty new to the concepts of modern survivalism, although I am quickly recognizing that a lot of the principles are in line with some of the things I was already doing in my lifestyle.

I do feel that its a real challenge to talk to friends and acquaintances about my views and the steps I am taking to get better prepared.... Most people living here in Vermont tend to be quite liberal minded, and so I can usually have a conversation about gardening, or some of the more "earth-friendly" areas of survivalism... but even then I have a hard time explaining my angle without sounding like maybe a bit of a nut-job....

For example, I just can't seem to get my gal pals to taste my biltong.. hahahaha... the guys will try it and appreciate it. But its a good example of something I think is a good idea that I still have a hard time finding other people to relate to about...

Some people are so closed-minded! I just can't understand how anyone could honestly argue with concepts of self-sufficiency....!  ???
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on March 09, 2010, 08:05:27 AM
Most people living here in Vermont tend to be quite liberal minded, and so I can usually have a conversation about gardening, or some of the more "earth-friendly" areas of survivalism... but even then I have a hard time explaining my angle without sounding like maybe a bit of a nut-job....

Some people are so closed-minded! I just can't understand how anyone could honestly argue with concepts of self-sufficiency....!  ???

Welcome Hozzlebozzle - You just keep doing what you're doing and if others around you don't get it just remember it's cause they're probably sheep.  They don't think our system will fail or allow anything bad happen to them. We all know it's possible (probable?) and the better you're prepared the better off you will be. Most likely your BF will turn around as he watches what you do.  Episode 69 -Getting Your Spouse On Board - you might find valuable. Here's the link.
http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/getting-your-spouse-on-board-with-survival-planning (http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/getting-your-spouse-on-board-with-survival-planning)
Glad to have you on the forum. I know when I started visiting it was nice to find so many like minded people.  Blessings, TBM
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Hozzlebozzle on March 09, 2010, 02:48:28 PM
Episode 69 -Getting Your Spouse On Board - you might find valuable. Here's the link.
http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/getting-your-spouse-on-board-with-survival-planning (http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/getting-your-spouse-on-board-with-survival-planning)

Glad to have you on the forum. I know when I started visiting it was nice to find so many like minded people.  Blessings, TBM


Great idea on Episode 69, and thanks for the warm welcome!
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: doucmpuppiespn on March 10, 2010, 08:20:33 PM
We have a local group that we are members of, but other than that, no one around me thinks even close to the way we do.  I got so tickled the other day when I showed my friend a purse I altered into a conceal carry purse.  She said "you carry your gun with you?"  and even better "is it loaded?"  ;D
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: OKGranny on March 10, 2010, 08:45:47 PM
I only have one prepper friend, all the rest think there is something seriously wrong with me so now I just mostly don't mention it. They see the garden and the chickens but a lot of folks around here have those. I also keep all my supplies in a back room and the laundry room and garage so they aren't noticeable. My prepper friend keeps an enormous amount of stuff under her beds as well as other inconspicuous spots around her house. I may start doing that next.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: MediumFrenchFry on March 17, 2010, 12:44:51 PM
Thank you for this thread! It's a great feeling to hear about other women who understand the concepts of survivalism and self-suficiency! Although I am not an advanced prepper, I am re-directing efforts and learning curves in my life toward self-suficiency goals. My dad's motto in life is "Prevention is better than the cure". Him and my mom fled Cambodia for Paris-France, because of the Khmer Rouges massacres all over the country. From a day to another, they just had to drop everything and run with only the clothes on their back, litteraly. So, I was raised with the thought "to be prepared for any situation and be autonomous as much as possible". I never had a problem with it and understood the legitimacy of it, and most of the things I've been tought fall in line already with my angle on survivalism today (+the right to bear arms now that I am in the US). I just want to further it.

People nowadays are just completely spoiled, lazzy and think they are safe in their little comfort-zone bubbles. Then, when winter-blizzards hit, it's panick-time because they are low on milk. This just shows how much they prepared themselves knowing blatantly that snow was coming. What do you think they are doing for their lives.

It is a real challenge to express my views with people. Most of the time, I'm shocked at their narrow-mindedness. They usually think it's a waste of time (since you can get it at the store),that there is no pride or utility to get from doing things by yourself (since they like to be totally dependant on services coz it's so easy), or that we are pretty paranoid to think ahead of catastrophies or economical collapses (since this only happens in movies or to other countries). Some people show interest, some roll their eyes, some give an unconvincing "Oooh that's great" or some think I must be cheap or bored out of my mind.

Last summer, my husband took me and my little brother (who flew in from France) camping for the first time. He left us the task of the camp fire. As stupid as it may sound, it tooks us a little while to figure out how to feed a fire, but we were proud as hell to know how to do so once we got it going. We looked at each other thinking that we could make a fire with our hands, and that if the situation arose again, we'd be able to do it again, instead of crying in the dark!

I can't help it sometimes, I just like to share and discuss with my friends so I keep trying to explain and angle it for them to see, so it speaks to them. It's all out of care for them. But some days it's hard, they are just too "hermetic", haughty and condescendant. They act like survivalism and self-suficiency are useless backward steps, or a regression, and that they are too "advanced" or "civilized" to go back to that since society has made it so easily at their disposition and convenience. So, I just let it slide because even if I manage to prove my point, people will agree but still not be motivated to act accordingly (even with the argument of the present political and economical climate). They don't believe that something can happen. But when it does, it'll be too late. They won't even be able to get over the initial shock.

It is frustrating for sure, but on the other hand I am really thankful to have found you gals, this forum is the most welcoming and instructive I've been to! It's good to be here and feel understood.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on March 17, 2010, 12:57:55 PM
Medium French - please allow me to give you your first +1 for a great post.  You nailed it perfectly on "living the good life - I'll just run to the store for what I need."  Thanks for joining us on the forum - Blessings TBM
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: MediumFrenchFry on March 17, 2010, 02:25:59 PM
Thank you TwoBluesMama  :) I am grateful. I have been itching to say all this for a while. I don't have many survivalists friends, so it's a relief to express it here to people who understand!  :D
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Morning Sunshine on March 17, 2010, 02:46:51 PM
Thank you TwoBluesMama  :) I am grateful. I have been itching to say all this for a while. I don't have many survivalists friends, so it's a relief to express it here to people who understand!  :D

Bienvenue, MediumFrenchFry.
I understand the relief.  I always thought I just marched to a different drum, and it didn't bother me most of the time (occasionally I would have a small break down, but oddly, that also seemed to happen around my period, but it wasn't every month, just highly stressful ones?).  Still doesn't bother me, really.  the biggest problem I have now is that I cannot keep up with those that hear my drum!   :D  It is nice to have company on this path.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: MediumFrenchFry on March 17, 2010, 03:00:50 PM
Merci beaucoup, Morning Sunshine!  ;D It's good to read French too haha!
I totally hear you and I am glad to find new companions on the road too!! I guess it goes up and down, some days I really try hard to explain and some days I come home to my husband and swear that this is IT and that I will not help those who don't want to be helped. At least I sleep at night knowing I have a few things prepared  :D
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: swoods on March 17, 2010, 03:18:44 PM
Holy cow, how did I miss this thread!!!!!!!! :o

Read it from the first post and I must say.........you ladies rock. So nice to see young and "mature" women discussing these issues. I have always marched to my own drum, so I don't think anyone thinks I am any stranger than usual!

FYI, I fit into the "mature" category and I have many things to catch up on, but I am better off now than six months ago. Debt reduction will take some time, but it will happen.

Keep up what you do and be proud that you can do the things necessary to make it better for yourselves and your families.

Women are a powerful force in this world and we should be showing our children and grandchildren that the "old ways" may save their lives or at the very least give them options in a crisis.

Best to all,
swoods
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: LvsChant on March 18, 2010, 06:17:47 AM
Ideally, our government would back off from the taxation, money creation and control of free enterprise and let the system heal itself... it would be a big bump in the road, but would lead to overall more prosperity for everyone! If that doesn't happen, it could certainly eventually cause a huge drop in the standard of living for everyone in our country...

Living without the modern conveniences is certainly a drop in the standard of living folks are used to... there is much more overall efficiency of the use of our country's resources by the division of labor we have now... so in that respect, the people who don't want to learn how to do everything themselves are expressing a view that we all would probably prefer (on some level). The problem is that, historically, when governments destroy an economy, it is very difficult to trade without a currency that people trust... that is why, after the Roman emperors destroyed the currency, the people left the cities in droves hoping to do subsistence farming in order to have enough to eat.

We all hope it doesn't come to that, but shouldn't we all have enough basic knowledge of self-sufficiency to make it through for our families if the need arises? So many people are not students of history, though, and just have no understanding or awareness of what could happen. I am glad we have this supportive community to share ideas and knowledge. It makes it less of a lonely road...
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: monkeybird on March 18, 2010, 07:04:44 AM
I've been a prepper for about a year.  My sister and I both became concerned at the same time and we both began planning.  It's surprising how much you can do in a year.

I'm active in several women's groups whose focus in local charity.  For the most part these women have never know a day of worry about financial or political upheaval.  Today, despite obvious evidence to the contrary, my friends continue to believe life will go on as before.  They believe that they will make it through the recession just fine and choose to believe in 'green shoots'. 

My sister-in-laws think it amusing!  They jokingly say, "Well, we'll know where to go".  My husband is fine with my prepping, as long as he is not directly involved.  He'll say "Oh, it's good to be prepared in case of an emergency".   To his credit he has not said a single word about my prepping purchases.

My non-scientific opinion is that women, and men too, who have never known hardship or struggle live in a sort of cocoon.  They choose to believe that life will always be the same.

Quite frankly, there are days after listening to the news that I wish I was still in the cocoon.

Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: OKGranny on March 18, 2010, 11:52:40 AM
My non-scientific opinion is that women, and men too, who have never known hardship or struggle live in a sort of cocoon.  They choose to believe that life will always be the same.

Quite frankly, there are days after listening to the news that I wish I was still in the cocoon.

That's my non-scientific opinion too. They can't or won't believe that things could ever be different.

I find that nearly every single day I wish for a minute or two I could live in that cocoon. Unfortunately I read a lot of history and I listen to the news. Then I think about empires that have fallen and super powers that are no more and what led up to their fall and the next time I go to town I add a bit more to our supplies.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: MediumFrenchFry on March 18, 2010, 01:37:29 PM
I can only agree. People who never had to worry about their finances and who have never known hardships definitely live in a bubble of their own. They never had to struggle for anything, don't feel like they should and believe that they won't have to do so until the end of their lives. It's like impossible for them to wrap their heads around, they will just hope for the best, and not prepare for the worse.

What they don't see is that -in that moment-, they may be able to get everything they want, because it's ready, it's easy, it's single-serving, it's at every corner of their block, it's conveniently there for them to grab. But when that bubble bursts, it's going to be a totally different reality. And they may have thought that they had everything they needed, but they'll realise that all this time they have never equipped themselves with important basic life skills. Even just the basic knowledge of self-sufficiency to sustain and defend their families. It's like the Matrix.  ???
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Komodo on April 06, 2010, 09:57:00 PM
MediumFrenchFry, you are so right.  It's just like people living in the Matrix, and they can't see that everything around them is a facade.  I feel like I stepped out of that matrix when I woke up a year or so ago.  I have several non-survivalist friends who just don't get all this 'stuff' I've been doing, like gardening and being more self-sufficient.  The one approach that has been best received is to talk about a specific situation to bring the message home.  Because I live in an earthquake zone, I usually use that as my example.  With the number of large quakes in the world the past couple of months, it's starting to be talked about a lot more on the news.  Now when I talk about being prepared for an earthquake with a bag in my car, a route home, water, food, and at least two means to make fire, it sounds less "end of the worlder" to them, and more like a sensible idea.  Four of my friends are starting to respond a little, and one is now getting a weeks worth of water and food stocked in her basement.  I figure that's at least a start.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Dontforgetyourlipgloss on April 07, 2010, 01:47:28 AM
Oh how i wish i could find some RL friends who understand!!!

I'm a 26yr old housewife with 2 kids, just moved to a new town in the middle of nowhere (i love that part), but i'd love to meet some like minded people! so far the only people i have clicked with are the lovely 50+ group who hold a knitting circle up the road.

A Prep and Bi#tch would be great! -- i wonder if i put an ad in the local paper if anyone would respond...
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: LvsChant on April 07, 2010, 06:57:24 PM
couldn't hurt... maybe if you mentioned things that would be coded to seek out the prepping minded...

... gardening, canning, dehydrating, wheat-grinding, permaculture, self-sufficiency group forming! (knitters welcome)
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: MediumFrenchFry on April 12, 2010, 01:27:39 PM
MediumFrenchFry, you are so right.  It's just like people living in the Matrix, and they can't see that everything around them is a facade.  I feel like I stepped out of that matrix when I woke up a year or so ago.  I have several non-survivalist friends who just don't get all this 'stuff' I've been doing, like gardening and being more self-sufficient.  The one approach that has been best received is to talk about a specific situation to bring the message home.  Because I live in an earthquake zone, I usually use that as my example.  With the number of large quakes in the world the past couple of months, it's starting to be talked about a lot more on the news.  Now when I talk about being prepared for an earthquake with a bag in my car, a route home, water, food, and at least two means to make fire, it sounds less "end of the worlder" to them, and more like a sensible idea.  Four of my friends are starting to respond a little, and one is now getting a weeks worth of water and food stocked in her basement.  I figure that's at least a start.

Alas, it is just like in the Matrix  >:( Yep, the only times I see people that deign to pay a little bit more attention to survivalism and prepping is when they are already nose to the wall, already knee-deep in the problem, or when they are forced to take into account a new variable in their life. Like the earthquakes in your area. I just think it's sad to not be more open-minded or receptive to ideas that only aim at providing you protection and skills.
I think people are too wrapped into themselves and useless distractions, little things. The impermanent and often the useless. Basically, why go look and think of getting this and that, if you don't need it NOW?!?! The "i'll get it when i need it" mentality just won't work when they'll all fight each other over a carton of rice at the store.

Unfortunaltely, my friends just feel too comfortable where they are. I tried to put things into perspective but I get the shoulder-shrug. PA got pounded with lots of snow, blocking roads, preventing delivery trucks to reach stores etc etc..creating little shortages and delays. But it didn't seem to occur to people that being snowed-in should have them get a little extra preparred, instead of cursing at store managers for not having enough milk. How are you going to scream at a store manager for not having prepared enough milk orders knowing the snow storms were coming? How about YOUR preparation?!

Other example of how people do not want to think of alternative means and different options : the Phillies baseball team won the World Series in 2009 and organized a big parade downtown. The heart of the city was absolutely PACKED. I had planned on seeing the parade and be joined by my husband later along the celebration. The city was so crowded, that nobody could get any decent signal. My husband and I agreed on a location to meet up at beforehand, and although he was a few feet behind me, we just couldnt text or call each other at all. So, this makes you think that in the event of a complete chaos , be it a natural catastrophy or buildings falling down or explosions or earthquakes, I wouldn't have found my husband. Although people saw my point, they just shrugged it and went back to their iphones, maybe they couldfind an app to warn them of earthquakes.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Trillias on April 19, 2010, 01:26:56 PM
we've got the friends who just tell us they're planning on heading to our house in a SHTF scenario - to which our response is generally, Okay, so what are you planning to contribute to the group skillset? And then they look very confused...

We *had* a friend who ultimately decided he no longer wanted to associate with us or our mutual friends because we "scared" him, and we insulted him by pointing out that he had no useful skills in a SHTF scenario, and would therefore need to learn something useful before we'd allow him to join us in that situation. Sorry, hon, but video game skillz will not translate.

Honestly, the few friends we have who think they're heading to our house probably won't make it that far anyway, as much as I hate to say it.  :-[ :-\
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: MediumFrenchFry on May 11, 2010, 08:20:32 AM
I get that too Trillias! The "i'll come knock on your door" answer.  People will probably try to blow up our phones...if they still work by then. I think it's rude that that ex-frind of yours gave up on your friendship because he didnt want to be associated to you and because he was "scared". That's some nerve to make your preparedness pass for something irrational.

I do agree with you ...the friends who's first reflex will be to head toward my way, I don't think it'll be that easy. And i'll probably be long gone anyway. I think people underestimate the crazyness of chaos...In the SHTF scenario, they will take time to even get over the initial shock, they won't even believe...but also, they have no idea of how people will just go wild as soon as they get really really hungry.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: OKGranny on May 11, 2010, 11:25:54 AM
I think people underestimate the crazyness of chaos...In the SHTF scenario, they will take time to even get over the initial shock, they won't even believe...but also, they have no idea of how people will just go wild as soon as they get really really hungry.

I'm not sure people underestimate the craziness or if it's just gotten to the point they can't distinguish between what is real and on the news and what's in a movie or TV program, it's like they honestly believe they are immune to natural or man made disasters.

Not to mention the mindset of some people. I was watching the news a while back and there had been a disaster somewhere and people were running out of food and water and they were angry and indignant that the stores were also out. They interviewed one woman who was really angry and she said they were out of water at home and it was her "right" to be able to buy some. I nearly fell out of my chair. The problem is with that attitude they will be the first ones rioting and breaking into anyplace (including other people's homes) to get what they have.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: AtADeadRun on May 11, 2010, 03:05:16 PM
I think it's rude that that ex-frind of yours gave up on your friendship because he didnt want to be associated to you and because he was "scared". That's some nerve to make your preparedness pass for something irrational.

That guy just has issues in general; among them is that he was Trill's last boyfriend before she and I got back together and subsequently got married.  He's terrified of me as a result, and parlayed my interest in weapons, Krav, and not being a tick on the butt of society into us being "scary."
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: RightArmOfWyoming on May 11, 2010, 05:40:55 PM
You are right, OC.  Women used cloth "rags" and reused them.  Hence the saying: "She's on the rag". (Grrr - hate that saying!)

This is one of my favorite photos of my wife. She calls it "Don't mess with an armed woman buying tampons!"

(http://www.stinkfight.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/wyomingcarryseconddayyay-006.jpg)

As for non-prepper friends, I imagine with us it will be somewhat like non-gun friends. They'll slowly just quit calling and we'll make new friends.

-- Michael
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: RightArmOfWyoming on May 11, 2010, 05:46:15 PM
Here are a couple blog posts I wrote about losing old friends because I "saw the light",

Arguing with liberals:
http://www.stinkfight.com/2009/11/23/arguing-with-liberals/ (http://www.stinkfight.com/2009/11/23/arguing-with-liberals/)

More hate for me from my old leftie friends:
http://www.stinkfight.com/2009/11/25/more-hate-for-me-from-my-old-leftie-friends/ (http://www.stinkfight.com/2009/11/25/more-hate-for-me-from-my-old-leftie-friends/)

Prepping is interesting....unlike my other interests and forums I'm on (guns and politics), not all preppers are right wing/libertarian. For instance, my two older sisters are as leftie as people come, but have always been into back to the land/simple living/canning food/beekeeping and more.

MWD
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: OKGranny on May 12, 2010, 11:45:17 AM
Exactly! We aren't alike, which makes life more interesting but we respect one another for the most part and share common goals and maybe the most important thing is we share knowledge often learned from our own silly mistakes. BTW, love the picture of your wife, it's awesome.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Docwatmo on May 12, 2010, 12:25:54 PM
Totally agree.  I think there is a base understanding among preppers of what COULD happen and what things could turn out to be like down the road, and knowing that can be a little scary and helps us to look at things a bit more objectively. (And welcome anyone who "Catches that bug" so to speak as potential allies).  That baseline seems to be the underlying guide or string that creates a commonality out of a wide group of different people with such a varied background, ideology and interests.

   
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Shiba on June 01, 2010, 08:51:56 PM
Hello! I stumbled upon TSP a few days ago and I love it! I've listened to a number of the podcasts and I am hooked. I'm really enjoying the forum. I'm looking forward to learning from all the great members here.

This topic is so true! I have people near and dear to me that don't quite get it. What MediumFrenchFry said is spot on, people are just too comfortable where they are. They cannot imagine the infrastructure that we rely on as a society (transportation, electricity, food, etc) not being there to support them. My 2 cents that I wanted to add, is that I used to be that person that was oblivious. I didn't think prepping was crazy, I just didn't understand why people would be that into it. My husband and I had friends that would talk to us and we certainly had similar beliefs about the world, but I can say I didn't get it. Thankfully, my friends didn't write us off and suggested other websites I might be interested in. Then one day it just clicked for me. And I've been voraciously reading and learning since! So while some people are not interested, and never will be, I keep offering information to those who don't show an aversion to the idea, I know it's likely that one day they will come across some bit of info (like I did) that brings it home to them. So don't give up on 'em all! They may be like I was...I didn't know I was a latent prepper just waiting for someone to enlighten me!  ;) 

It's a pleasure to meet you ladies and know there are those going through similar issues and I look forward to future conversations. Have a fabulous evening to all!
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: OKGranny on June 02, 2010, 12:04:11 AM
Hi Shiba, welcome to the forum. I'm delighted you "woke up" and I'm hoping more and more do also. It just makes sense that we should be ready, willing, and able to take care of ourselves and our families with what we have if the time ever comes that it's necessary.
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on June 03, 2010, 08:33:40 AM
Hello! I stumbled upon TSP a few days ago and I love it! I've listened to a number of the podcasts and I am hooked. I'm really enjoying the forum. I'm looking forward to learning from all the great members here.



Hey there Shiba - Welcome to the forum!  Glad you've joined us - please stop by the Intro Thread on the Front Porch and introduce yourself there as well.  If I can ever do anything to help you just yell or PM me. Blessings TBM
Title: Re: Non-survivalist friends?
Post by: Emily on June 03, 2010, 10:18:50 AM
My approach when talking with DGI friends/relatives is to tell them I am taking courses to stimulate my brain cells.  They already know I garden and raise chickens and am a "little different."  As a late 60s woman, I can get away with saying I want to learn, because it is better for my (mental) health to learn new stuff all the time, so I don't get bored...and it is fun to learn.  I recently passed my first Ham radio test, took an NRA basic pistol safety course (to review mostly from one taken several years ago), and am taking an EMT course...not for certification, but to learn.  With a friend I am taking a primitive firemaking and cordage course soon.  Life gets pretty boring without learning about new stuff, and that's one way you can draw others into learning some of the self-sufficiency skills without exposing the real reason behind what you are doing.
I like another poster's idea of showing up people...not for the sake of showing up, but to get them to be more interested in cooking from scratch...a round about way to help them learn to be prepared, but it is extremely hard to get people to understand how much food is needed to sustain a family for three or six or twelve months.  That takes real effort.  Having canning-bees would help some get started with canning and may lead to other food storage projects.
Like any good educational strategy, learning must be fun or at least pleasant or satisfying.
The EMT class I attend is full of people who come with their McDonald's meal and the instructors bring in snacks like chips, pretzels, cookies, etc.  I brought in a watermelon last time.  I've brought in "test games" like what bird did these eggs come from...had an bantie blue easter egg, a regular hen brown egg, a duck egg and a goose egg, or another time brought in four herbs for them to identify.  Tonight I will bring in leaves from fruit plants:  strawberry, blackberry, rhubarb (not really a true fruit, but eaten as such), blueberry, and peach.  I'm sure none will have a clue, but it gets them thinking, hopefully, about where food comes from.  Another time I'll paste four types of vegetable seeds to a paper plate and see if they can identify them and what could be expected if they grew them.
None of this costs me anything, but may get some people thinking!!!
Most of these people will never be friends, let alone survivalist friends, but maybe if they prepare just a little they won't be out on the streets looking to steal from others...at least in a short term event...long term, all bets are off.