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Title: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on November 15, 2010, 06:55:24 AM
here is a pic of my yurt platform with storage container in back ground ..
notice hack stairs I did with pieces of cedar, left over wood and chain saw:

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1418/5178697786_d5d2f1d5c8.jpg)


I have been creating a clearing for permaculture type stuff. Leaving some deadwood around to prevent weeds from popping up ..
notice tricky cedar clump in back ground, trees leaning on each other .. just bought a come along winch, hopefully that will help ..
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1411/5178102995_5d33fb58aa.jpg)

driveway:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1415/5178709294_2ef9a99dfb.jpg)



hardware cloth around yurt platform to discourage porcupines or other criters:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1288/5178738970_9ac7c29d70.jpg)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: fritz_monroe on November 15, 2010, 07:06:16 AM
Cool, thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Greatswampa on November 15, 2010, 09:59:05 AM
Hi,
Thanks for sharing your pics. what did you use to band around the outside of the circle?
Also, i don't know where your located, but you were saying how you left the dead stuff to keep it from growing in. Where i'm at it would fill in with raspberries and would be a greater mess to deal with.   
GS
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on November 15, 2010, 11:09:57 AM
Hi,
Thanks for sharing your pics. what did you use to band around the outside of the circle?
Also, i don't know where your located, but you were saying how you left the dead stuff to keep it from growing in. Where i'm at it would fill in with raspberries and would be a greater mess to deal with.   
GS

 It's some kind of masonite plywood, not sure exactly what else they call it .. The guy had told me that was a tricky part when I asked about doing it myself .. I helped him build it, it's bent around .. it is refered to as the bender board

I'm in Maine, I hope to clear out some of the wood, but I am not sure I can create enough of a sunny clearing and get a ton of stuff planted there at the same time. I want to plant jerusalem artichoke, ground nut, lambs quarters, amaranth, maybe some sweet potato, but not sure when I will have it set up for watering from rain barrel either ..
wild onion or something would be good, some fruit/nut trees .. I got hucklberry bush ready for spring too and red mulberry .. this is like zone 4b, not sure if mullberry will grow there if they say it's good to zone 5 on a website etc .. I picked some mulberries in Mass and sprouted the seeds myself .. this clearing is maybe 450 feet from the road and the yurt..

 I allready planted a few rapsberries on the west side of the clearing, some from my mothers garden, some from down the street on the land .. I also transplanted a few elderberry plants .. see if that stuff takes ..

 I was also torn between cutting more trees while I have the time to do that and thus let in more sun .. and not being sure what to do with all the wood and what sort of weeds where going to pop up. I have cut quite a bit, but still it's not more than 4 or 5 hours of full sun in a few areas I don't think .. I made a few wood piles of birch, maple and put tarps over that ..

 The other complexity is if I plant stuff and later drop more trees, I have to try to avoid trees falling on stuff that I planted.

 one part of the opening on the south east side has been getting wet, but it was not really wet there all summer, only the last few weeks ..


Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: PAGUY on November 15, 2010, 11:29:02 AM
Looks like a great start. 
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: LvsChant on November 15, 2010, 06:55:38 PM
wonderful! Can't wait to see the finished product.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Greatswampa on November 18, 2010, 12:12:52 AM
Hi,
Have you thought about maybe getting some stuff going in big containers while you still working and then you could move them if you have too until you see how they weather. I'm at about 2000' in Vermont so i have a short growing season. I'll be curious how you make out with the sweet potatoes. We have good luck with the elderberries where it's really wet. Oh and thanks for the info on the board.
GS :)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Sarey on November 20, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
Oh wow. That is going to be really nice.

Is your home in an area where you get snow. I've always liked the "idea" of living or at least having another option for guests but here in Maine well, there is snow and cold to consider.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: wdrobins on November 20, 2010, 08:35:28 PM
Thanks for those pictures!  I'm really interested in seeing how that yurt turns out.  I'm collecting ideas for the future.

Did you buy a yurt kit?
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on November 21, 2010, 09:47:16 PM
Oh wow. That is going to be really nice.

Is your home in an area where you get snow. I've always liked the "idea" of living or at least having another option for guests but here in Maine well, there is snow and cold to consider.

 This yurt with a snow package to reinforce the rafters with 2x4 as well as 2x6 rafters is rated at 98 pound per square foot I am told which is pretty decent I think ..

the company is out of NH and there design is pretty much the same as colorado yurts one of the larger companies.

http://www.whitemountainyurts.com/index.php (http://www.whitemountainyurts.com/index.php)

the guy in this video is coming up this week to help set up the yurt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMfQWerZRpA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMfQWerZRpA#)


Right now I have a 23,000 btu kerosene heater. Hopefully that will work for awhile. I want to get a wood stove ..
(http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/0c/0c0e4d19-535a-45e6-9936-b9ba1461245a_300.jpg)

Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: wdrobins on November 21, 2010, 10:20:05 PM
That's cool!  Thanks for the posts.  Keep it going.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: LvsChant on November 22, 2010, 04:46:00 AM
Does the yurt have good ventilation for the kerosene heater? I'd guess so, but don't know just how airtight these things can get...
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on November 22, 2010, 07:36:00 AM
Does the yurt have good ventilation for the kerosene heater? I'd guess so, but don't know just how airtight these things can get...

 You can pop open the dome in the center a bit if you want. It has a high ceiling. People use these heaters in homes .. I like them because they are portable, can heat a work area, move it around ..
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: wdrobins on November 22, 2010, 08:02:21 PM
Will you be adding a bathroom?
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: d0j0w0 on November 22, 2010, 09:31:48 PM
Yurts are cool.  Are you going to insulate the floor of the platform?
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on November 23, 2010, 10:15:05 AM
Will you be adding a bathroom?

 the plan is compost toilet
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on November 23, 2010, 10:15:54 AM
Yurts are cool.  Are you going to insulate the floor of the platform?

 at some point possibly .. You have to put plywood underneath so mice won't get into the insulation
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Roswell on November 23, 2010, 11:26:11 AM
very cool.  Keep the pics coming.  :)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on December 09, 2010, 06:00:04 PM
The yurt has gone up. I put a wood stove in .. I was up there for a couple of days and have been trying to bring in wood (by hand) before alot of snow falls .. I had cut alot of birch and some maple/oak into 10 foot logs last summer and put them under a tarp .. I took those out and cut them to size and split them by hand and they have been burning ok. I don't have the wood stove pics online yet, I used a cedar log to hold the stove pipe up .. I dug as far as I could into the ground (2 feet) and then put two chimney blocks on the ground with the log in the middle ..

 I want to insulate the floor. The boards underneath are 2x6 with about 14-15 inches between them. I am looking for recommendations one what type of plywood to use underneath to hold the insulation and create a sandwich of insulation ..

 notice my custom stairs thrown together with cedar logs. A bit of a hack for now, I just stuck a board on the top step as it was a bit slippery with just a log (not shown in pic). Not sure if there stairs would be suitable for my 80 year old mother to use if she ever came up, probably not.

 I called an insurance company who  said that a yurt is a portable structure and my home owners insurance should be able to cover me as personal property. I had talked to my agent several months ago and did not get that impression from him, but am planning on calling him tomorrow and if he can't do it for me, I will look into other insurance companies .. I seem to have a fear of a tree falling on it. Cedar trees seem to creak alot in the wind and exacerbate my fears a bit. I had to drop 2 trees that where dead after the platform went up. It was a bit of a stressful situation as for one the trees where on the property line and I had to get permission from the guy next door. They where leaning towards the yurt platform and I needed help from other people to drop them with chains and winch so they would fall off to the side ..


(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5163/5229618200_e0cc589838.jpg)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Nicodemus on December 09, 2010, 07:27:25 PM
That looks great!

How's the inside temperature/comfort factor when you have the wood stove going?
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on December 09, 2010, 07:58:01 PM
That looks great!

How's the inside temperature/comfort factor when you have the wood stove going?

 Without the floor insulated, it seems I can raise the temp 20-25 degrees from the outside using the small wood stove. I am missing one small insulation panel on the wall .. and did not put all of the window panels on yet ..

 When I run a small portable kerosene heater (25,000 BTU) with the wood stove, the temp inside can reach maybe 40 degrees above the outside temp .. So it was 15-20 degrees outside, I got it up to close to 60 inside. This also seems to work decent with the kerosene heater turned down low to burn fuel more slowly as even with a low flame it puts out quite a bit of heat.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on December 09, 2010, 11:42:03 PM
here's wood stove pictures

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5243/5247951525_51cc622cd6.jpg)

I decided to be cheap and cut a live cedar tree on my property for the stove pipe. My neighbor told me after so many years the insulated pipe
may break down and at that point, it touching the cedar would not be good anymore ..

 This thing is actually very slightly cockeyed and it was coincidental that the cedar was bent slightly inward ..

 The log was set strong enough into the hole that I was able to lean a ladder onto it and climbed to the top to secure the pipe .. the top of the log I estimate must be 12 or 13 feet off the ground ..

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5006/5247951885_b5c4483801.jpg)


dug a hole, had to use pick as top of ground was frozen. 2 feet down hit large rocks and could not go any farther. Stuck cedar log into the hole and put 2 cement chimney blocks on top of that .. I used the kind of chimney blocks that come in two halves otherwise having log in the middle would have been problematic. The top chimney block halves are reinforced with 2 steel bands which seemed critical to keep them together ..


(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5282/5248554346_aec168e7c3.jpg)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Sister Wolf on December 10, 2010, 12:26:23 AM
TW & I are convinced, after seeing your pics.  We'll doubtless be buying a yurt to live in on whatever property we buy, until we're able to build our own house.

Thank you so much for this thread, surfivor.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on December 10, 2010, 07:40:12 AM
TW & I are convinced, after seeing your pics.  We'll doubtless be buying a yurt to live in on whatever property we buy, until we're able to build our own house.

Thank you so much for this thread, surfivor.

 Hey, cool ..

 Do they allow them in CA ? I guess some people just throw them up despite whatever ..

 There are some books on yurts and how to build them, a couple of decent ones I put below. There are some online resources as well.
check out www.yurtinfo.org (http://www.yurtinfo.org)

I studied yurt construction from
books and online sources last year, but ended up just hiring a yurt company to make the yurt. The rafters, lattice wall, and base
probably are not that hard. I found the fabric part to not really be detailed or easy for me to grasp. I guess you could buy fabric
from a yurt company as long as your yurt frame comes out to the exact right size, otherwise I guess it involves an older sewing machine
or hiring a canvas company ..

 What appealed to me is that you could take it apart and move it, sell it etc .. kind of an interesting novelty as well ..

 The roof is warrantied for 15 years, I was told the wall may last 10 years. It eventually will break down fro UV light, weather and such I guess and need to be replaced.

 I would perhaps like to build my own small yurt like 16 or 12 feet. I would say a 20 or 24 foot yurt is roomier, but a smaller one would be easier to transport. Mine is 20 feet (300 sq feet). the upper bounds seems to be 30 feet which is 700 square feet ..

 I could see living in New Mexico, Baja, Alaska or someplace in a yurt for several months .. ever been to baja ? Good surfing and less crowded than CA.



(http://www.green-shopping.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/9/7/9781899233083.jpg)

(http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51oqEvDuT6L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

this seems to be a popular book, but is not so much about building your own yurt though does have some plans for a platform and alot of other info.
(http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51fco1yvgUL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU15_.jpg)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Sister Wolf on December 10, 2010, 11:03:29 AM
Do they allow them in CA ? I guess some people just throw them up despite whatever ..

We'll be living in another state when we purchase/build one.

Quote
There are some books on yurts and how to build them, a couple of decent ones I put below. There are some online resources as well.
check out www.yurtinfo.org (http://www.yurtinfo.org)

I studied yurt construction from
books and online sources last year, but ended up just hiring a yurt company to make the yurt. The rafters, lattice wall, and base
probably are not that hard. I found the fabric part to not really be detailed or easy for me to grasp. I guess you could buy fabric
from a yurt company as long as your yurt frame comes out to the exact right size, otherwise I guess it involves an older sewing machine
or hiring a canvas company ..

I think we'd be buying a kit from a yurt company.  :)  I wouldn't want to build my own before we started building the house.  That would be discouraging and hard to do from here.  Something fairly simple (as with yours) would be a much better deal.  I'd rather spend two weeks camping on our property while we created the yurt from a kit, than several months researching and building the perfect yurt while we try to survive off the land.  We'll be doing enough of that "surviving" nonsense while we build the house, y'know?  And I think I'd be putting it at least partway underneath a metal awning of some kind (to help protect it from snow buildup, or water damage from the rain).

Quote
The roof is warrantied for 15 years, I was told the wall may last 10 years. It eventually will break down fro UV light, weather and such I guess and need to be replaced.

 I would perhaps like to build my own small yurt like 16 or 12 feet. I would say a 20 or 24 foot yurt is roomier, but a smaller one would be easier to transport. Mine is 20 feet (300 sq feet). the upper bounds seems to be 30 feet which is 700 square feet ..

700 sf!!! That's HUGE for a yurt!  LOVE this idea!  :)  Not sure what you'd need as far as insulation, or a nice big wood-stove goes in order to heat a yurt that big in the winter, but I bet it could be done without too much extra work.

Quote
I could see living in New Mexico, Baja, Alaska or someplace in a yurt for several months .. ever been to baja ? Good surfing and less crowded than CA.

I have been to Baja!  It's beautiful, but it's just a little scary right now politically.  I'm not sure I'd chance living down there right now.  But I'd love to see pics and hear stories if you do it!
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on December 10, 2010, 11:11:49 AM
I would not go to baja until things improved, I had planned to go there at one time ..


base price for a 30' yurt from colorado yurts without insulation, snow kit or anything is $9385
http://coloradoyurt.com/new2007/pdfs/YurtPriceList.pdf (http://coloradoyurt.com/new2007/pdfs/YurtPriceList.pdf)

Some of the bigger yurts seem well suited to lofts and so on. I imagine these must be 30' yurts (not sure):

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT62sHaeGEjh3PBDGR84Lvd2Mt6okaBZJoW5rwjkJMlkPlEsybzug)

(http://www.yurts.com/images/sub-pages/loft.gif)

(http://www.pearmagazine.com/online/yurt.jpg)

(http://www.coloradoyurt.com/new2007/img/large/yurt_photo_gallery_10.jpg)

there is also such a thing as a wooden yurt and classes and kits on making those.

have a look here on that:
http://www.smilingwoodsyurts.com/ (http://www.smilingwoodsyurts.com/)

wooden yurts:


(http://www.smilingwoodsyurts.com/files/4712/7472/4736/8126843497_zm27R.jpg)

(http://bp3.blogger.com/_QCmgo69hepI/R8zqV1p2rMI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/LL4hQhA7cJk/S254/yurt1.jpeg)

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5pGoomL-Zzc-KijGrYquK4jG0If-m5e2IRLlIRWSs1Sd71EsDjw)


(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2159/2226316036_6bb1bd8ba1.jpg)

Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: joeinwv on December 10, 2010, 11:27:49 AM
Couple quick thoughts on the yurt -

- There might be a benefit of building a roof over the yurt. I am thinking an open lean to / carport type structure. This keeps sun,rain and snow off the roof and keeps the worst wind off the structure as well. I have seen this in semi permanent camp sites and RV parks. I think there is a member here with a tow behind camper under a lean to at their BOL. Might give a nice extension to the structure.

- Insurance I am thinking you need a 'rider' added for this specific structure, given that it is fairly valuable. I would make it clear that it is temporary, but has improvements and assign a $ value to it. I would also see if you can get some type of blanket liability.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: hillclimber on December 10, 2010, 04:14:19 PM
Nice yurt!!
There's a yurt just down river from me, but it's old and home made.
I snowshoe to it every now and then. Consumed several beverages in it over the years. As I remember it during the winter there's a little bit of a moisture issue.
Just not enough of a vapor barrier. Ice and moisture builds up on the inside walls and roof. Keep in mind, this thing is old and made with canvas.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: DeltaEchoVictor on December 10, 2010, 05:55:36 PM
I love this thread... ;D

I've wanted a yurt for sooo long.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: archer on December 10, 2010, 10:43:30 PM
Congrats for getting your yurt up surfivor! very cool, I've been looking at them for several years now.

SisWolf, some yurt sites:
http://www.whitemountainyurts.com/ (http://www.whitemountainyurts.com/)
http://coloradoyurt.com/ (http://coloradoyurt.com/)
http://goyurt.com/ (http://goyurt.com/)
http://redskyshelters.com/ (http://redskyshelters.com/)
http://yurts.com/ (http://yurts.com/)
http://rainieryurts.com/ (http://rainieryurts.com/)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: MaddoginMass on December 11, 2010, 05:45:52 AM
Thanks for the pics.  I think I just found the structure to put up on my BOL when I buy it........
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: d0j0w0 on December 11, 2010, 03:43:15 PM
Love the yurt,  For the floor insulation, could you use plastic as a vapor barrier covered with chicken wire or rabbit wire to keep the mice out?
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: fratermus on December 13, 2010, 08:08:35 PM
at some point possibly .. You have to put plywood underneath so mice won't get into the insulation

If you get enough of 'em in there they probably will increase the R-value.  :-)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: akdentist on December 30, 2010, 05:44:29 PM
We set up a 16' yurt in 2002 when we bought some raw land.  Stayed in it on weekends for several years until our house was built.
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd507/craigo_dds/Yurt2.jpg)
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd507/craigo_dds/Yurt1.jpg)

We like the whole idea so much that we had our home designed based on a yurt.
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd507/craigo_dds/Back.jpg)
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd507/craigo_dds/DSCN1046.jpg)
The round design is great for airflow and with the open interior, it feels huge. 

We still use the yurt as a guest house in the summers.  I don't think it would make a good long term home, but I know of people who do live in them, but in our climate, it would not work out so well.  Ours was made in Homer, AK by
http://www.nomadshelter.com/ (http://www.nomadshelter.com/)
The 16' model takes about 4 hours to take down or set up and fits in a pickup truck bed.  As a temporary home, it is a great idea and you could plant one on a level piece of ground with a canvas tarp as a floor.  Much better idea than a tent and you could carry it into places that you could not get an RV or travel trailer.



Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: archer on December 30, 2010, 07:07:13 PM
Vert cool AKdentist, I'd love to hear more of your experiences living in a yurt. And I like your perm house design. What is that like to live in?
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: TOWcritter on January 02, 2011, 07:34:03 AM
I really have to check these out a bit more intensely.  Great pics.  Keep them coming,.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: akdentist on January 02, 2011, 10:36:14 AM
I really have to check these out a bit more intensely.  Great pics.  Keep them coming,.

Are you wanting photos of the yurt or the home?  Our home was built in Canada from http://mandalahomes.com/ (http://mandalahomes.com/) and there are many photos on their website that show different variations on the "yurt" platform.  The engineering principle of beams held by a center hub and a cable on the circumference is common to both the yurt and the Mandala.  Back when we bought our home, the exchange rate was very favorable - not so much anymore.

Cheers.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: archer on January 02, 2011, 02:15:27 PM
Are you wanting photos of the yurt or the home?  Our home was built in Canada from http://mandalahomes.com/ (http://mandalahomes.com/) and there are many photos on their website that show different variations on the "yurt" platform.  The engineering principle of beams held by a center hub and a cable on the circumference is common to both the yurt and the Mandala.  Back when we bought our home, the exchange rate was very favorable - not so much anymore.

Cheers.
thanks for the link (i think), something new to drool/dream over.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: UA8 on January 03, 2011, 01:20:42 PM
I realize that it make take away some of the quick tear down and go appeal that it currently has but I would say the ideal way to go for insulation would be the blue spray foam in between your joists. It's self adhering and I doubt mice would have any interest in it.  In addition it would seal any air leakage through the floor.  Also it would be quick to apply get a crew in there it would be done in a few hours. I'm not even sure you would have to cover it.  Some more research might be required though.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Dadgumit on February 05, 2011, 11:08:59 PM
I want to insulate the floor. The boards underneath are 2x6 with about 14-15 inches between them. I am looking for recommendations one what type of plywood to use underneath to hold the insulation and create a sandwich of insulation ..



First, AWESOME pics. Very inspiring.

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this (and I am by no means an expert), but I have heard it is bad to use batting as insulation on wooden floors. Something about condensation forming on the wood and it rotting. Perhaps someone here knows more. If I recall correctly, one good solution is spray on insulation as it connects with the wood and leaves no room for condensate.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on February 06, 2011, 08:21:04 AM

First, AWESOME pics. Very inspiring.

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this (and I am by no means an expert), but I have heard it is bad to use batting as insulation on wooden floors. Something about condensation forming on the wood and it rotting. Perhaps someone here knows more. If I recall correctly, one good solution is spray on insulation as it connects with the wood and leaves no room for condensate.

 Does it matter if it's not always heated ? I'm pretty much finished installing the insulation ..
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: mobilus on February 06, 2011, 11:18:46 AM
http://www.cracktwo.com/2011/01/woman-built-rocket-mass-heater.html (http://www.cracktwo.com/2011/01/woman-built-rocket-mass-heater.html)

This site has a bunch of photos of a rocket mass heater under a yurt floor.  It leaves a lot of questions unanswered, since there is no commentary.  But if a picture is worth a thousand words, this site is worth about 60K of them.  Take a look and gather what you will from the pictures.  There are some good ideas for those with yurt ambitions. 

Congrats on your yurt, surfivor!

 
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Dadgumit on February 06, 2011, 03:38:51 PM
Does it matter if it's not always heated ? I'm pretty much finished installing the insulation ..

yeah, i have no idea man... I would suppose that would depend on how often it is heated... maybe humidity isn't a problem in your area like it is mine.

That being said, talking to my father in law, there are a ton of people who do use the batting around here so probably not that big of a deal.

Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Tactical Hippie on February 06, 2011, 03:54:31 PM
http://www.cracktwo.com/2011/01/woman-built-rocket-mass-heater.html (http://www.cracktwo.com/2011/01/woman-built-rocket-mass-heater.html)

This site has a bunch of photos of a rocket mass heater under a yurt floor.  It leaves a lot of questions unanswered, since there is no commentary.  But if a picture is worth a thousand words, this site is worth about 60K of them.  Take a look and gather what you will from the pictures.  There are some good ideas for those with yurt ambitions. 

Congrats on your yurt, surfivor!

 
Looking through those pics I never say a connection to the in-floor vent pipes to the actual heater.  The vet stack runs up into the yurt and they have a cover over it.? 

I must have missed something...lol  ???
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: mobilus on February 06, 2011, 06:54:41 PM
TH, here's a picture I got off of www.richsoil.com (http://www.richsoil.com) and modified it a little to show how the exhaust is tied into the exhaust ducting.  And there's a lot more about it: http://www.richsoil.com/rocket-stove-mass-heater.jsp (http://www.richsoil.com/rocket-stove-mass-heater.jsp)

I'm experimenting with a rocket heater now...
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Tactical Hippie on February 06, 2011, 07:05:26 PM
TH, here's a picture I got off of www.richsoil.com (http://www.richsoil.com) and modified it a little to show how the exhaust is tied into the exhaust ducting.  And there's a lot more about it: http://www.richsoil.com/rocket-stove-mass-heater.jsp (http://www.richsoil.com/rocket-stove-mass-heater.jsp)

I'm experimenting with a rocket heater now...

Mobilus nice link!  Thanks!!  ;)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: mobilus on February 06, 2011, 07:36:49 PM
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq169/mlshirah/rocket_stove_butt_warmer_4.jpg)

I can't believe I forgot to add the picture i modified...but here it is.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on February 07, 2011, 06:21:13 AM

 The yurt is just heated with a wood stove. I also have a portable kerosene heater. For some reason if I run the stove and heater together and it starts to warm up, I can start to smell kerosene or something.

 There is no radiant floor heat or anything like that ..
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: hillclimber on February 07, 2011, 02:23:13 PM
Add a little vanilla extract to that kerosene. Takes much of the odor away ;)

Make sure you crack a vent a little. After a while you won't smell the kerosene as bad.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: EarthbagDude on July 14, 2011, 01:08:56 PM
I didn't read all of the comments, so I hope you haven't already answered this...But roughly how much did you spend to construct it?
It looks like it's 3-400 sq ft is that right?
Also, where are you located?
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on July 15, 2011, 02:32:19 AM
I didn't read all of the comments, so I hope you haven't already answered this...But roughly how much did you spend to construct it?
It looks like it's 3-400 sq ft is that right?
Also, where are you located?

 The yurt is in Maine where there can be 3-4 of snow. It is about 310 square feet. I think it ended up being close to 16k for all the construction costs. (not including stuff like the wood stove which I bought used and installed or the insulation under the floor which I also did). That cost includes the platform it sits on which was 1k in materials and close to 1k to pay a contractor to build. The canvass type roof is guaranteed to last 15 years and I forget what they told me a new roof will cost, the canvass type wall will last 10 years. I think I had figured the cost to replace those after the 15 years will be around 2k or 3k.

 It has a kind of reflective insulation on the walls. Using the wood stove plus a portable kerosene heater, I think I can raise the temperature inside the yurt 40 degrees or so from the outside temperature. I bought a small Jotul wood stove which is not very big. In the summer you can remove
some of the insulation panels to open windows, and it has a couple of large 8 foot windows so that it can start to almost become part screen house in the summer .. but you have to get on a ladder and if it rains, a little water comes in through the window.

 The yurt was kind of a novelty, what I did like about it is that the whole thing arrived pulled in a utility trailer with a small truck. If I ever bought land in a different part of Maine or anyplace really, the yurt might be easier to move than a cabin. Though it would still take work to move it. Potentially the yurt could also be sold separately if I ever wanted to sell the land or move someplace else.

 It took a contractor 2 days to build the platform and the yurt went up in one day once the yurt company assembled all the materials at their shop. It did seem it needed a little bit of expert skills for them to put the yurt up. It is based on a Colorado yurt company yurt. The canvass wall and roof are made by Colorado yurt company. The yurt company (White Mountain Yurts in Wakefield NH) basically builds the lattice wall and rafters in their shop and orders the canvas from Colorado yurts. They are a small company run by one guy and his nephews on the side. It seems his business is doing well and he has been very busy putting up yurts everywhere in New England from what I hear.

 Also, in regard to spending money or borrowing money to build stuff on your BOL. I regard my yurt as sort of my second home or a place that I live or may potentially live even though it is a 3.5 to 4 hour drive there (200+ miles). I own a small 500 square foot condo which I could refer to as my base camp rather than my home. I paid about 50k for that in 2000 and still owe money, but my mortgage payment is about $375 a month right now. It is a place to live in an area that has a hi tech job market, but I am not %100 satisfied with living there in many ways. I have no yard and no porch and one large window that is about 10 x 4 and that is it. I spend alot of time at my friends house and my mother's house or away at the yurt when I can.  For many years my truck camper was my second home and I spent alot of time in my camper that way.  I have always felt a need for 4 vacations a year, typically a week to 10 days for each - one for each season (spring,summer,fall,winter) for some reason that seems to help keep my stress at acceptable levels. Having the yurt can potentially fulfill that need and more (such as between jobs) without having to drive very far or spend extra money on accommodations and travel costs. The truck camper is not really that great for winter vacations in New England, so I often had to drive the camper to North Carolina or fly someplace in the winter. The yurt seems suitable for a 10 day winter vacation though it can be a little cold there as well, but I used to get a little bummed out contemplating winter vacations in the little popup camper. One trick is doing the vacation either in December or March when it is a little warmer than January of February

Those are some of my considerations when people may say it's ok to borrow money to buy a "home" but other types of debt are highly questionable .. because what is a home really ?





Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: survival_food on July 15, 2011, 01:33:04 PM
I have to show this thread to my husband -- he's a huge fan of the yurt concept. Some of these look amazing -- thanks for all the pics.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: YoungPrepper on August 31, 2011, 09:06:03 AM
I am so glad that I found this post. My husband and I have been considering purchasing a three yurts to have as our permanent home. We live in Maine also. We seem to have settled on a the plan of building a garage with a basement and a flat platform for a roof, and having the three yurts attached to the top of the garage. We want to use a 30' yurt for all the common rooms(living room, kitchen, 1/2 bath, pantry, and laundry room) and use each 16' yurt for a bedroom with private bath.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: suzysurvivor on April 18, 2012, 10:11:44 PM
any updates from yurt livers???   We are 75% decided on a yurt and would love to hear others' experiences and advice...especially from surfivor as he has already lived our dream...a yurt in rural Maine.

Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: donhutch on May 11, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
Awesome post. My wife and I live in Penobscot county. We are looking to buy some rural acreage and putting up a yurt to live in while we save up to build our house. Right now I am waiting for the library to get The Complete Yurt Handbook from interlibrary loan then I am hoping to start building the walls for the yurt soon after. I would like to have most of it ready by the time we buy the property and then i can build the platform and have it set up before snowfall maybe even before my lease is up in August!
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on May 14, 2012, 02:22:39 AM
 
 The yurt thing seems to have pluses and minuses. What appealed to me about the yurt is the portability. It is easier to move than a bigger structure. There is also some factor of the novelty of such a thing.

 Any kind of structure has some maintenance involved. The yurt canvas needs replacement after 10-15 years is my understanding.

 My particular yurt is a little shy on insulation. I have a kind of bubble insulation which does a decent job (and wasn't cheap), but when the outside temperature is 10 below zero, the inside of the yurt is not as toasty as some other people's structures by any means. I also have a pretty small wood stove. However, when the coldest winter temps hit, I am less likely to want to head up there unless I am really gung ho on getting out of suburbia, which is certainly a likely possibility at times.

 All that is fine for now and if I had to I could easily live there comfortably from late winter to early winter (mid march - mid december) or improve my current set up as far as warmth. In reality I have always felt a need for a place to vacation any time of year. A place where I can spend a week to 10 days. With the current economy, I am no longer comfortable with much Air travel and crossing alot of borders and will likely vacation closer to home at the yurt. I do sometimes need a winter vacation, and with my current setup I would probably do that either early or late winter when the temps tend to moderate and avoid mid January and February for those week long excursions.





Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on May 14, 2012, 04:37:28 AM

 A little more on what I said .. My wood stove is kind of small. I have seen bigger ones that put out alot more heat probably or you can use propane also.

 I think there is some better insulation options, but I never really looked into it. The bubble wrap is fairly portable and lightweight type of insulation. I am happy with it for now based on my needs with the yurt as a camp/getaway.

 When the sun hits the thing, it can also get a little hot in there in the summer during the day. I have some large windows that I can open, but I still have no electric and no fans of any kind. When it gets too hot and  I want to have a nap in the afternoon, I just have a small tent or screen house that I can set up somewhere in the shade.

 My yurt is elevated several feet off the ground and I insulated the platform floor myself. It cost my about $1000 in wood and $1000 in labor to put up the platform for a 20 foot yurt which is about 310 square feet. I installed the wood stove and stove pipe myself.

I was onsite during the entire yurt construction and learned a little bit from that. The platform was constructed in 2 days and the yurt upon delivery went up in a day.

 I think I am actually comfortable with the idea of a one week winter stay up there until about the first week in January. The coldest weather seems to be from mid January to the end of February. I would go up there for a weekend during that time, but with my current set up, I would probably shy away from staying there for a full week during those coldest times if possible.

 We also get alot of snow and I made sure that my rafters are extra heavy duty, I have a snow load kit and even a center support which I did myself.

Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Vulcan on May 14, 2012, 12:38:39 PM
Awesome topic! Definitely something to look at for a potential temp. shelter at a BOL.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: suzysurvivor on May 21, 2012, 08:26:41 PM
thanks, surf,  for updating us.  I am just waiting for clearance on the land to start putting our yurt plan in motion.  We would use our yurt much as you use yours...long weekends and vacations in all but the coldest, snowiest part of winter.   I am planning to 'extra insulate' the yurt much as a medieval castle--rugs on the floors, fabrics on the walls for extra layers, lots of blankets and throws for keeping warm at night.  I will remember to look for a bigger woodstove...it will be our cooktop as well so it needs to be a moderate size.   

Do you have electricity yet?  We would like to do solar...we don't even want the 'powers' to know our lil place exists.  I don't want electric lines, etc on the land. 

We will also keep camping gear there for warm weather like you said and for family members who come up as well.

ANy other yurt dirt will be great appreciated. :)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on May 23, 2012, 09:22:14 PM
thanks, surf,  for updating us.  I am just waiting for clearance on the land to start putting our yurt plan in motion.  We would use our yurt much as you use yours...long weekends and vacations in all but the coldest, snowiest part of winter.   I am planning to 'extra insulate' the yurt much as a medieval castle--rugs on the floors, fabrics on the walls for extra layers, lots of blankets and throws for keeping warm at night.  I will remember to look for a bigger woodstove...it will be our cooktop as well so it needs to be a moderate size.   

Do you have electricity yet?  We would like to do solar...we don't even want the 'powers' to know our lil place exists.  I don't want electric lines, etc on the land. 

We will also keep camping gear there for warm weather like you said and for family members who come up as well.

ANy other yurt dirt will be great appreciated. :)

 Hi Suzy,

 I had some guys put a suitable cedar log in the ground standing up for the electric line and it was approved by the power company, but I never put the electric in. It would cost me $8/month regardless if I used any electricity.

 I use petzl head lamps which are hands free lighting as they go on your head. These can't be beat for all kinds of uses and they never break. They are the best head lamps you can find. The cheaper models are like $20 and work well. I also use a cheap oil lamp that I got from Reny's.

 The bubble insulation also is a metalic reflector that reflects heat waves.

 
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: hillclimber on May 24, 2012, 03:07:56 AM
Reny's, yeah  ;)
I bet it was the three story Reny's in Farmington too. LOL 8)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: suzysurvivor on May 24, 2012, 09:57:18 AM
i'm gonna HAVE to go to Reny's next time i'm up there.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on May 26, 2012, 09:09:54 AM

 I have been all over the state of maine. I think you can get an oil lamp for $8. There is a Reny's in wells, bridgton, topsham, bath, madison, farmington and other places. Those are the ones I am familiar with or have been to. A complete map here:

http://www.renys.com/renysmap.html

Petzl headlamps can be found at kittery trading post or places like that .. They rule ..
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Jeremiah J on June 09, 2012, 05:28:52 PM
Here is one that my wife and I built using cedar logs. The building is at least 10-15 years old now. The technique is referred to as cordwood building.
There is actually an air gap between the inner and outer walls. Some folks fill it with insulation. Some use sawdust with lime mixed in to retard bugs.

The roof was the fun part. We started with a phone pole in the center and built it to that. When the roof was complete, we just cut the pole away. :)

(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f172/barbecuejoe/IMG_6714.jpg)


(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f172/barbecuejoe/IMG_6715.jpg)


(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f172/barbecuejoe/IMG_6828.jpg)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: archer on June 09, 2012, 10:16:31 PM
cool !!!
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 10, 2012, 07:11:18 AM
Here is one that my wife and I built using cedar logs. The building is at least 10-15 years old now. The technique is referred to as cordwood building.
There is actually an air gap between the inner and outer walls. Some folks fill it with insulation. Some use sawdust with lime mixed in to retard bugs.

The roof was the fun part. We started with a phone pole in the center and built it to that. When the roof was complete, we just cut the pole away. :)

cool.  I like it.  I am guessing you are in the southwest somewhere?  that scenery looks awfully familiar to this Utah gal.  :)  I love how it blends into the scenery.  totally matches!

oh, and I would love to see pictures of the inside!
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Jeremiah J on June 10, 2012, 02:26:39 PM
cool.  I like it.  I am guessing you are in the southwest somewhere?  that scenery looks awfully familiar to this Utah gal.  :)  I love how it blends into the scenery.  totally matches!

oh, and I would love to see pictures of the inside!
Thank you, both.
We are in Northern AZ.
This building has been being used as storage for a number of years. We have finally gotten the time to straighten it up, and weed it out. It's slowly becoming our workshop. I'll be doing welding, wood working and general tinkering. The wife will get a bench set up for her jewelry making possibly this week.
We just got done hanging cabinets, and sorting mountains of misc screws, nuts, bolts and the likes into cans. I'll try to get some pics of the interior up soon.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: flippydidit on October 12, 2012, 02:19:33 AM
Great yurt Surfvivor!

They look cool, but I imagine they would include much suffering if set up where I live in Florida.  For anyone considering the insulation, I strongly recommend closed cell spray foam.  It is a water vapor barrier, radiant heat barrier, noise reducer, and makes your construction more rigid once set.  If one were to apply double sided mirror plastic to the wood first, then apply the foam, you could get quite a high R-value out of very little material.  Check this site out:

http://www.mirrorsheeting.com/

I'd imagine if you were to use hardware cloth or "chicken wire" it could become very strong.  I really like the spray on foam since it really does a great job insulating and also keeps rodents out.  You can find DIY kits and cans for locations you don't want a contractor at.  Just an additional reminder to go for the "closed cell" foam.  The "open cell" foam is cheaper, but it allows moisture to accumulate and for mold to grow.  The "open cell" is also much more spongy and doesn't do much to add solidity to the structure.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: offbeatbassist on October 21, 2012, 07:05:46 PM
I didn't read all of the comments, so I hope you haven't already answered this...But roughly how much did you spend to construct it?
It looks like it's 3-400 sq ft is that right?
Also, where are you located?

I havent finished reading all of the replies since #49 but I thought I would mention another yurt made mostly without the kit.. I think this yurt only has the dome, canvas roof, and canvas wall.. Everything else we constructed with other materials.

 hutchsteaders---->   http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=38025

for some reason this url takes me to partway down the page.. more pictures at the top..

edit: archer: corrected url to go to the top
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on October 25, 2012, 01:16:00 PM
I havent finished reading all of the replies since #49 but I thought I would mention another yurt made mostly without the kit.. I think this yurt only has the dome, canvas roof, and canvas wall.. Everything else we constructed with other materials.

 hutchsteaders---->   http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=38025

for some reason this url takes me to partway down the page.. more pictures at the top..

edit: archer: corrected url to go to the top

 Hi, yes I recognize the canvass as the colorado yurt material exactly like mine practically even same colors.

 Your lattice is held together with plastic ties ?

 That looks like alot of work anyway and pretty crafty. I have extra heavy rafters and snow supports as well as a deadman in the middle just to be extra safe.
 The deadman is basd on this idea and spans the ceiling hole:
(http://images.meredith.com/diy/images/2009/02/p_SCDW_078_06.jpg)


 Do you have a big enough woodstove ? If you are not going to be there all the time, you might want improved supports for snow loads. What is holding those two sticks in place that go up to the ceiling ?
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on October 25, 2012, 02:18:37 PM
snow kit has vertical side supports that look like this on the inside and connect the rafter to the floor directly:
(http://www.yurts.com/images/sub-pages/snow-wind-kit.jpg)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: offbeatbassist on October 26, 2012, 02:27:45 PM
The yurt actually belongs to my brother - donhutch posted earlier on this string mentioning he lived in Penobscot county and was hoping to buy some acreage. They are living in the yurt now. I believe he intends to put in some uprights similar to those in the picture you posted. The lattice in the wall is zip ties - he drilled each tree 10 times and connected each x section with 2 hd zip ties. The wood stove isnt particularly large, but i think they got it for free, so it works for now. I dont know if theyll look for a larger one or not. Those 2 center supports are just wedged into place. I dont think those will remain there. I know he has other improvements on the yurt that he intends to do, but I should let him share it.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on October 27, 2012, 02:26:41 AM
The yurt actually belongs to my brother - donhutch posted earlier on this string mentioning he lived in Penobscot county and was hoping to buy some acreage. They are living in the yurt now. I believe he intends to put in some uprights similar to those in the picture you posted. The lattice in the wall is zip ties - he drilled each tree 10 times and connected each x section with 2 hd zip ties. The wood stove isnt particularly large, but i think they got it for free, so it works for now. I dont know if theyll look for a larger one or not. Those 2 center supports are just wedged into place. I dont think those will remain there. I know he has other improvements on the yurt that he intends to do, but I should let him share it.

 my wood stove is even smaller, but I tend to not go up so much when it gets below zero or really cold for long periods ..

 I am really curious how the rafters are connected to the center ring. I didn't see that in the pictures ..

 What kind of wood was used for the rafters and lattice ?

 He should post some pictures of how the stove pipe is supported on the outside ..

 I also wonder how he solved the problem of building the frame just right so that the canvass would fit. The lattice wall height seems variable depending on how the poles might settle and all and the angle and length of the rafters seems also a bit complex. Even though I contracted most of the work, I did study yurt construction from some books and contemplated the challenges involved. Some people who work in construction probably have advantages that I don't. Yurts are interesting in that they are lightweight and much different than a house or cabin and require less wood etc.

 I'd be curious to see how the lattice wall is connected to the bender board at the bottom.


 The other interesting thing about yurts is the portability. A yurt that is say 12 feet in diameter would be about 113 square feet.
Something like that could be set up on some land temporarily for a season and easily moved on small trailer. I could see spending a summer in Alaska, or a winter down south etc. Yurt lattice walls are also very strong and supposedly are not easy for a bear to break into. I wouldn't store food in one, but it might be a little peace of mind for camping out in Alaska say ..






Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: JustGreg on April 14, 2013, 10:35:53 PM
I think the pics are so helpful, that even sans text/explanation, its practically a 50$ or even 100$ class all by itself.

The only "mistake" I saw was no backsplash next to the tub.  The yurt/gher houses I've been in almost always have a moisture problem.

G.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: offbeatbassist on May 03, 2013, 10:14:46 PM

 I am really curious how the rafters are connected to the center ring. I didn't see that in the pictures ..

 What kind of wood was used for the rafters and lattice ?

 He should post some pictures of how the stove pipe is supported on the outside ..

 I also wonder how he solved the problem of building the frame just right so that the canvass would fit. The lattice wall height seems variable depending on how the poles might settle and all and the angle and length of the rafters seems also a bit complex. Even though I contracted most of the work, I did study yurt construction from some books and contemplated the challenges involved. Some people who work in construction probably have advantages that I don't. Yurts are interesting in that they are lightweight and much different than a house or cabin and require less wood etc.

 I'd be curious to see how the lattice wall is connected to the bender board at the bottom.


 The other interesting thing about yurts is the portability. A yurt that is say 12 feet in diameter would be about 113 square feet.
Something like that could be set up on some land temporarily for a season and easily moved on small trailer. I could see spending a summer in Alaska, or a winter down south etc. Yurt lattice walls are also very strong and supposedly are not easy for a bear to break into. I wouldn't store food in one, but it might be a little peace of mind for camping out in Alaska say ..

The rafters we shaved down with a draw knife to fit holes he drilled into the dome support ring. Unfortunately, he drilled them by sight so the angles were all off. As we were putting the rafters in, the ring was pivotting, and because we were trying to keep the ring level, the ring was starting to get stressed. After putting it up for the 3rd time ( we had it resting on a 12' ladder until we had enough rafters up (it actually lifted it off the ladder as we put in more rafters). Finally we realized the holes were cut off angle and once we allowed the ring to pivot slightly it all went up pretty quick and easy. We also had the ends cut to form a 'u' to sit on the cord, but in between tries in getting the dome ring in place, we had to trim the length slightly and adjust the 'u' so that one side angled out at 45 degrees, allowing us to slide the rafters down onto the cord with the weight of the rafter and ring keeping it from popping up off the cord.

   Im not sure specifically of what type of wood he was using for the lattice and rafters. He picked them all off his land, I know that much. I know there were several types especially in the rafters. I think there were small maples and birch. The rafters were about 3" at the base, and the lattice was 1" I think. The lattice initially wasnt connected to the base or bender board at all, but he ended up attaching some blocks to the floor and screwing the lattice in place because the base of the lattice was creeping in a little bit.

   I dont recall what he did with the stove pipe, but I do know he upgraded his stove mid-winter. It was too small and had an air-tight (?) stove given to him. It was a bit bigger and more efficient. Ill mention to him about getting some pictures up of those things specifically. They didn't have electricity run out so they have to run into town for internet.

   As for the portability, I dont think his is very portable. Even if it were capable of being moved, I dont think he would want to. As for how he got the size right, we were doing math the entire time of building it, not to mention the 6 months of planning he put on paper and building the lattice before he started actually building.

What I have determined is that I have too much stuff to live in a yurt. At least the more traditional sizes - 16', 20', 24'... We are apartment hunting right now and 800 sq ft is too small (which I think is about the size of his, but I could be mistaken- 24' yurt?). If I were to get/build a yurt I would either contract it out or just get a kit.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on July 29, 2013, 08:47:31 AM
 I finally sold my condo and bought a canon digital camera. Here is a mini video tour of my yurt on u-tube.
It was a hot day, so I have all the windows open (screened). I have no electricity there, but recently bought a small battery powered fan that uses 8 D batteries as we have had some bad hot weather:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tFaRvIYsno&feature=youtu.be

 Ground nuts on my land up there seem to be spreading and doing well
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Cedar on July 29, 2013, 09:12:09 AM
Do you get mouse issues in the yurt? Looks pretty open-ish. Nice looking property and sharp sounding guitar.

Cedar
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on July 29, 2013, 09:26:42 AM
Do you get mouse issues in the yurt? Looks pretty open-ish. Nice looking property and sharp sounding guitar.

Cedar

 Thanks, I'll post some videos of me playing my flying V guitar some time on my u tube. I trapped some mice last year in the fall. I used some poisin, some regular mouse traps and I have a tin cat as well. All of that stuff is set up again for this fall. That was the first time it was ever an issue, the year before it wasn't. After I caught or poisened about 6 mice I didn't see any more through the winter. It had to be dealt with or they would be destroying stuff building nests
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: chuck_3 on July 29, 2013, 01:08:49 PM
I am always leery of poisons.  Have you tried glue traps?  They are good with mice, but not so much with rats.  They also work well on spiders and other small pests.  They are also cleaner on mice in my experience.  I just leave them flat.  A friend ties his down with a tack or a nail when he uses them since a rat got into one of his one time and he had to find the trap and clean up the stuff the trap, rat and glue had adhered to. 
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: PalmettoPrepper on May 21, 2014, 11:50:24 AM
Looks like you did a great job!
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Knecht on July 03, 2014, 05:45:24 AM
Hey, fellow yurter! Nice yurt. I'm in the middle of making one for myself.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on November 08, 2015, 01:09:10 AM
This is a picture of one of the supports holding up the yurt to get an idea what these look like. They are just sitting on the ground. The picture is taken through wire mesh (hardware cloth) that surround the yurt to keep animals from living under the platform:

(http://s10.postimg.org/66i8txg2h/IMG_20151103_110644.jpg)

As you can see from this picture, the yurt is not on level ground. These structures holding up the yurt are no longer 100%
straight vertical. You can see from the eye that there is an ever so slight angle to a few of these supports towards the downhill. Other still seem straight however. It can get very muddy in here in the spring, though more to the left where the driveway area is. I am going to have my neighbor look at it to see what he thinks. I am thinking I might have to get some kind of a jack to straighten some of these out at some point. It doesn't seem to bad currently, but it might be good for my piece of mind. The platform was built 5 years ago by a contractor. He indicated that the circular shape of the platform has extra strength

(http://s23.postimg.org/ok5ci2sor/IMG_20151103_110725.jpg)

Also, there is black plastic sheets around much of the uphill side and on the side where the picture is which you can plainly see. I put it there to kill of Japanese Knotweed because it was growing there. The site was a landfill at one time and that is why it was growing there probably. However, I may leave the plastic sheets because I read someplace that things of this sort can help reduce the risk of frost heaves in the ground which can disrupt structures. There is no plastic on the opposite side or on the downhill side

 The slant actually may look worse in the picture, I am not sure if this is part of an optical illusion because when I was looking at them last Halloween, it didn't seem so bad.

 could I just use a car jack and a board on the ground shimmied to be close to level to jack up parts of the structure and try to straighten out the supports ? 

Edit:

 I feel a little more worried thinking about it now, I tend to be a worrier at times .. There is not a ton of weight or heavy furniture in the yurt but if it concerns me if the supports are not perfectly straight and I feel I should do something about it soon. Hopefully I can do it by myself with a jack which seems doable

 I am also concerned about long term because I was looking at sites about decks which have similar issues and with the ground shifting it seems like it could keep happening and does it reach a point where it starts to have other problems because things have shifted alot from the original places where the supports where ?

This web site for instance mentions that for decks if too much shifting happens, eventually the deck may need to be replaced:
http://homeguides.sfgate.com/jack-up-deck-36641.html

 The yurt platform is kind of like a giant deck



Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on November 08, 2015, 01:59:33 AM
 Maybe I should try to add additional supports instead of just trying to raise the deck up and adjust the supports that are currently there. Moving the supports that are there means they will want to resettle again and I am in effect destabilizing the existing supports. Having extra supports might be a good idea since the ground is slanted as well. I would have to buy a bunch more footings at home depot or someplace along with pressure treated wood and head up there next weekend or around thanksgiving. I also need to figure out with nearly 100% certainty how to I cut the wood with a cross cut saw so they are perfectly square. I think I just use a square and pencil a line. I think they also sell plastic things that make it easy.

Digging into the ground could be problematic though is a possibility for some parts. I have been having a problem with my knee so that moving alot of concrete could also be a problem. Carrying alot of heavy weight effects my knee. Maybe I should consider hiring someone to install a few below the ground supports in a few places ? The downhill side has more room to get in there and work. Even if there was just a few more stable supports would that have the effect of stabilizing the platform better for the longterm ?
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on November 08, 2015, 07:20:21 AM

 I think what I would do is get several more concrete footings and wooden supports. I would measure the best I could the length of support I need for any particular section. Then I would jack up that area with a car jack and try to fit in in there. If it ended up being a bit loose I would use thin boards to shim it on the bottom or top. I would bring 1/2" and 1/4" thick boards to use as shims.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Knecht on November 09, 2015, 07:11:17 PM
Good luck.
I'm currently trying to fight the condensation problem in our yurt. Other than that, it's a great place to live.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: spud on November 16, 2015, 09:34:39 PM
There are a  couple of thought processes with how your deck is supported.  The two are, first is the supports close enough together to keep your joist from sagging and second, are your post stationary enough and how are they handling frost heave. 

You should be able to find some tables from deck building that states the proper floor joist for the spans that you have. Another way would be pull a string along side of the bottom of  your furthest span without touching it and putting weight on it and measuring the deflection of it.  You would need to determine what a reasonable maximum weight it would likely encounter and put that on there.  With your bad knee(bummer), this doesn't sound like a great option for ya. 

Second, your post where just set on the ground, bummer, kind of a poor practice and it is pretty easy to make holes for your posts when you're building the darn thing. Just setting them on the ground might be OK if ya really level ground that drains nicely. It's best to have post below frost line to stop any heaving.  Having a yurt like yours is pretty cool cause a little frost heave here and there won't likely hurt a darn thing except make the door stick if it's heaving in that area.  There are many opinions on how to back fill posts, from using concrete, gravel, sand, gravel and concrete, you name it, it's out there. If it were me, I would have put post pretty deep in ground and back filled with gravel and maybe brace some posts with some posts angled at a 45, if ya know what I mean.  Every site is different, drainage, soil type, etc. 

More supports might not be needed, just remove some that ya have and place posts deeper. Fun with that is getting your post in there and tipping them in place without them being too short. I would have to scratch my head little and find a creative way to make that work, like maybe jacking it up a smidge higher than needed so when you come down it won't be too low.

When you shim it, give yourself the option of boards of many different thickness.  If you have a bud with a table saw or planer, you could make 5/8th, 3/8th's, etc.  I guess my anal tendencies are coming out of me doing too much finish carpentry in the past.  Not sure how much compression you will get, make sure your shims are good and dry and you could choose a denser wood and that wouldn't compress as much.

Don't know what type of soil ya got to dig but I use a twist type post digger here in my nice soil and I ya wanted, you could put different length (shorter) handle on it.  Also, I've used a bottle jack for that in the past and it worked nicely, don't know what kind of jack that you have available.

Good luck, I think you'll get it figured out. 

Jeff
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: ponycity on December 07, 2015, 11:25:27 AM
I don't own a yurt, but I've stayed in a WeatherPort yurt (http://www.weatherport.com/fabric_building/yurts/) once when I went camping (even though I would LOVE to live in one). I don't know a ton about them, but looking over this thread has been nice and informative.

Where I stayed, there was a concrete base with radiant heat. There were tubes with solar banks and it was nice and cozy inside. Without it on, it did drop significantly in a few hours.

It was really cool and I would love to see more pics if anyone has more to share. Thanks!
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Black November on April 25, 2016, 11:12:12 AM
I recently made a yurt like structure.

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=57817.0 (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=57817.0)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Cronezilla on January 19, 2017, 12:16:21 AM
the Yurt looks super cool! but it also seems a little pricey. I guess I have more questions. Is it semi-permanent structure? how portable would you say for like a refugee scenario? Is there advantages to a wall tent?

a more permanent alternative that has more thermal mass for heating and cooling would be earthbag house. you could make it round if you don't like angles.  8)
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on January 19, 2017, 07:01:57 AM
the Yurt looks super cool! but it also seems a little pricey. I guess I have more questions. Is it semi-permanent structure? how portable would you say for like a refugee scenario? Is there advantages to a wall tent?

a more permanent alternative that has more thermal mass for heating and cooling would be earthbag house. you could make it round if you don't like angles.  8)

 The yurt technically is semi-permanent .. It is a 20 foot yurt, obviously smaller ones are more movable. The platform itself is made of wood and a few feet off of the ground. It would be a little harder to move the platform than the yurt itself, but certainly could be done if it was disassembled. The yurt arrived as canvas and rafters on a small utility trailer pulled by a small truck and went up in a day. The platform was built a month or so before the yurt arrived.

 Building a yurt is not that difficult as I had studied it, although it would be time consuming. I believe the trickiest part is the center hole at the top as well as fitting the canvas exactly, though you can buy the canvas part from yurt companies. The frame itself consists mainly of a few simple boards, rafters, and lattice wall which can be taken apart. If portability was the main thing and living in the winter was not important, I think a smaller yurt between 11 and 15 feet or so would be a possibility ..

 I think the yurt is pretty sturdy and can withstand strong winds and heavy snow loads. It has rafters that are 2x6 and other points to hold a snow load and I installed a deadman as well even though I was told it was not necessary
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on January 19, 2017, 09:57:53 AM
 The yurt has a type of reflective bubble wrap insulation which is not ideal but easy to put in and lightweight .. There are other more bulky and complicated insulation possibilities but I have not looked into it. The insulation and warmth is not a key feature of yurts but I don't go up there as much in the winter. If it reaches 20 degrees Fahrenheit during the day, then that is sufficient so that I can heat the place up enough for me if I may spend a few days or a weekend up there now and then in the winter.

 I have a smaller jotul woodstove. It was light and easy for me to install. In fact I moved it all by myself with a little two wheeler. A larger stove would probably heat the place better. I sometimes use a kerosene heater for extra heat when it's really cold or to heat the place up faster in the morning but I only occasionally use that in the middle of the winter.

 I can also remove 2 feet of hardened icy snow off the roof just by heating the place up nice and warm for awhile and then sometimes by jabbing parts of the roof on the inside with a broom. Usually a crack forms and then the entire load of snow suddenly comes sliding off with a big swoosh! sound.

 The skylight adds alot of natural light to the place as well
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: kingranch03 on December 01, 2017, 11:05:40 AM
Nice work!

Yurts are super simple homes but it does take some work to make them comfortable. Looks like you are well on your way!
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: Applejack on January 16, 2018, 03:22:02 PM
I have seen these before and think they are really cool. That really looks nice.
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: LvsChant on April 16, 2018, 06:23:55 PM
I've enjoyed hearing about Surf's yurt adventures on here... it sounds like a great option for many folks...
Title: Re: yurt platform/land pics
Post by: surfivor on April 18, 2018, 07:49:17 AM
 I am hoping to go to the yurt for my 10 day vacation at the end of May. There are some white water canoeing options in the area and a bunch of yogi vegetarians have an ashram down the road were the live with no electricity. I was up to the yurt a month ago and there was 3 or 4 feet of snow. I bought a new pair of snow shoes from Canada, my old pair Vermont tubs may need some repair. I have a truck camper now so I am a bit spoiled and have a few options but it is super quiet at the yurt and good for sleeping. I have very few neighbors but the house next to the yurt is pretty nice and it should be up for sale because my neighbor left the house and let the bank take it. It has 6 acres. If anyone is interested, send me a message and I can look into it.