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Title: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on January 05, 2011, 09:41:45 PM
Last summer's corn crop brought a colony of rats from hell to my garden area, under the slab foundation of my house. 

I used the wooden snap traps and caught three rats, but only after a dozen attempts.  These guys are tricky. I even wired the bait to the traps, and they still managed to strip them clean.

So in addition to the snap traps, I bought sticky traps.  After a couple of days of no success, I went out to check again about 20 minutes ago.  Three of the traps are missing, one has two dead or mostly dead sparrows attached, and one was dragged halfway into one of the holes.  After carefully fishing the trap out, I noticed the trap had a bunch of feathers and one bloody wing attached, but the rest of the bird is gone.  My only thought is that the third sparrow became dinner.  I bet the same will come of the other two sparrows.

So, how does one defeat a band of demon rats?  I haven't tried poison.  I have three dogs, but they're fenced out of the garden area where the rats live.  Since the rats have made their home in a separate portion of the garden, I actually thought opening that portion up to the dogs may be a remedy, but I'm not sure.  They've caught rats in the past, but they had access to them.

Any advice would be great.  I'd prefer not to call an exterminator because this is a skill or trick I'd like to learn.
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Post by: Roknrandy on January 05, 2011, 09:47:02 PM
Lots of large baited traps in strategic locations and nail them one at a time. We had little field mice here a couple years ago that were everywhere, several small traps with peanut butter and a couple weeks later no more mice.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: TexDaddy on January 05, 2011, 09:52:53 PM
I would suggest you let the dogs have a shot at them first. Since they have killed rats before, at least they know what to do.

I have used d-con to eliminate mice. It was very effective. You can get their rat poison in pre loaded trays to minimize contact with the product yourself. Something like this:

http://www.d-conproducts.com/baits/bait-pellet-trays.html (http://www.d-conproducts.com/baits/bait-pellet-trays.html)
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Post by: Rishmoca on January 05, 2011, 10:11:27 PM
The dog would be a good option but it would take a long, long time to correct you problem.  Remember you never have just one rat/mouse, you have dozens.

My dogs will also catch the occasional rat, mouse,mole, bird, rabbit, squirle.

I use rat pellets most resently this fall as the little suckers invaded the house looking for warmth.  I put a box out and in two days all the bait was gone and so were they.  The new bait has not been touched.

Since your problem is outside you could also consider a Giant Destroyer.  Its a gas bomb that will kill them. Just google it. 

BB guns are also fun. Lol
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: amanadoo on January 05, 2011, 10:12:35 PM
I'd turn to a not-so-friendly neighborhood cat before anything else. Definitely before I tried poison. I know some people don't like to have cats around their dogs because it irritates the dogs, but I think better that than accidentally poisoning the dog or one of them getting bitten or sick from the rats. Once the rats are gone, you could always start a patch of catnip far away from your house, and only set out cat food there to keep the cat out of your hair if it's a problem.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: monkeyboyf on January 05, 2011, 10:23:39 PM
Every year after the first cold spell I get rats under the house.  They tell me they have arrived by gnawing on the wood under the floor. Talk about nightmares!  Each year I take the service panel to get to the shower/tub pipes loose and put in a box of rat pellets under the bathtub.  Bye.  They are gone in a day or so.  When my DH was alive he had great fun with his 22  shooting them as they came from the barn at night.  They get really big out here, but the poison does the trick for me.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on January 05, 2011, 10:24:50 PM
How do i get a neighborhood cat into my backyard?
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: monkeyboyf on January 05, 2011, 10:27:09 PM
Call DEV and let him sweet talk it.lol ;D
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: fratermus on January 06, 2011, 07:41:01 AM
I have seen the sharpshooter approach used to good effect:  droplight + peanut butter + pellet gun + airgun scope.  Will try this when I get a scope. I've dispatched a few with open sights but I'd like to improve my bullet placement. 

Our neighborhood had many rats a few years ago.  I have just been using rat traps and catch a couple a week.  Dunno if they are going elsewhere or are below critical mass, but there appear to be far fewer than before.  Maybe I've just culled the dumb/obvious ones.

Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Morning Sunshine on January 06, 2011, 09:03:21 AM
Call DEV and let him sweet talk it.lol ;D

 :rofl:

Hi, DEV  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on January 06, 2011, 09:12:32 AM
The other two sparrows have been eaten by the demon rats.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: TexDaddy on January 06, 2011, 12:03:32 PM
The other two sparrows have been eaten by the demon rats.
That is a big part of what rats do. They are scavengers. Dead sparrows=dinner time in the world of rats.

On the cat front, do you know anyone who has a farm/ranch? We have a friend who has 40 acres in rural Wise County. She keeps many cats on her place to keep the rodents down. She feeds them a little, but not so much they don't have to hunt. If she starts seeing mice or rats, she cuts down on the cat food until the problem clears up. In the past, my wife got a kitten from her for a pet. If you do know someone, maybe they could let you have one or two.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: DeltaEchoVictor on January 06, 2011, 03:59:33 PM
Call DEV and let him sweet talk it.lol ;D
I heard that.... :impatient:
:rofl:

Hi, DEV  :popcorn:
:dev:

One of the first things you need to do (if possible) is figure out where they're getting in under your house.  Cut off their entrance & exit points.  I'd also go with poison if there's no fear of your animals getting in to it.  Winter's bring the mice indoors here, as soon as I see the first signs of the vermin, down goes the poison.  It doesn't take long before they're history.

I hate using poison, & for everything else it's a last resort (gardening, etc.) but when it comes to rodents...it's a sure bet & the fastest way to eliminate the little bastards.

I wouldn't even bother with traps & glue traps...the country rats we've dealt with just throw them back at us as they run on by.  ;)
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on January 06, 2011, 04:36:39 PM
Would there be any danger in attaching a bare electrical wire to a rat trap? That way the rat would think he's just going to steal the bait, then he gets zapped.  Would it kill him?
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: KYdoomer on January 06, 2011, 05:37:10 PM
Conibear traps.  I had chicken eating rats when I was younger.  It was the only thing that worked.

J
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on January 06, 2011, 09:30:32 PM
I remembered a webpage called RatKill.com which showcased a guy's shooting abilities with a pellet gun.  Since then, the site has added live rat kill cams as well as various methods for killing rats.  One contributor suggested a simple bucket trap where a bucket of water has a ramp up to some bait strung over the water.  Rate reaches for bait and falls in the water.  The contributor claimed 57 rats n one week.  I pray I don't have that many in my yard.

I have several buckets, so I think I'll give the bucket trap a try tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: LvsChant on January 06, 2011, 09:40:10 PM
i like the bucket trap idea...
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: 4bull on January 06, 2011, 09:42:57 PM
If you can ,the old foot hold traps nailed to somthing and baited with dry dog food under the pan. wire them to a post.
the little # 1 long spring will hold them .Good luck and enjoy the fun
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Post by: thezoo on January 07, 2011, 03:13:14 AM
i would really urge you not to put a bare wire anywhere btw saturday i got hit with 240 volts while cutting out a bad section of floor in my home i didnt even hit the wire, the insulation was abraded and touching wood the floor was damaged due to a broken pipe, 240 volts hurts like he@#
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: mamabear on January 07, 2011, 04:48:37 PM
You need to watch the movie "The Secret of Nyhm" and get yourself a smart mouse and a crow that likes sparklies to take them down.

Call DEV and let him sweet talk it.lol ;D
hahahaha. I like this idea. Although I think the idea of finding a farm that has cats that may let you have one might be a better one. Or, check out your local animal shelter. They will always have cats that need a home. And that cat will be happy to be out of the cage they get stuck in. The two of my cats that are killers are the shelter kitties. The other one was not a shelter kitty, and he won't hunt anything.

Hi, DEV. :-*
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Post by: GreyWolf on January 07, 2011, 07:19:58 PM
Every winter I get a lot of field mice. I go to WalMart, buy the mice poison in the yellow box. In it are poison pellets in yellow bags. Just put the bags where you think the rats hide and the rats will eat through the bag to get to the poison. Kills em. keep puttin out the bags until they are all dead. Takes awhile but it is low energy and very effective.Worth the money.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: antsyaunt on January 07, 2011, 08:40:13 PM
I remembered a webpage called RatKill.com which showcased a guy's shooting abilities with a pellet gun.  Since then, the site has added live rat kill cams as well as various methods for killing rats.  One contributor suggested a simple bucket trap where a bucket of water has a ramp up to some bait strung over the water.  Rate reaches for bait and falls in the water.  The contributor claimed 57 rats n one week.  I pray I don't have that many in my yard.

I have several buckets, so I think I'll give the bucket trap a try tomorrow night.

The bucket trap worked this summer for me; it killed mice and chipmunks.  I used unshelled peanuts for bait.  I put some on the ramp, and then I floated a few on a small piece of styrofoam in the bucket. 
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Nicodemus on January 07, 2011, 09:59:48 PM
I'll second or third the vote of confidence in bucket traps. They work really well if the rats aren't too big. Of course if the rats are too big I guess you could always use a bigger bucket. Make sure the buckets are as easy if not easier to get to to your garden.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on January 08, 2011, 07:59:18 AM
Yesterday I was working in the garden and decided to get the hose.  I stuffed it about a foot down one of the holes and turned it on full blast.  Two minutes after, the action began.  Rats were shooting out of the holes every which way.  I watched their pattern and put the snap traps in their paths, which had no effect.  Some of the rats even jumped directly onto the trigger and the traps didn't snap.  Even after the holes filled with water, rats kept shooting out.  It was amazing.  Sadly all I had was a shovel, and couldn't move it quick enough to bang them on the head.  Next time I'll bring the dogs in with me and we'll have a hell of a time. 
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: fritz_monroe on January 08, 2011, 08:26:13 AM
At least you know what you are up against.

Do the hose thing again and this time when they are out, plug up the holes with steel wool or broken glass.  The rats won't go over those unless they have no choice.  It could encourage them to find another home.

I don't know what is in them, but if you look near grocery stores, they often have rat traps outside of them.

I also saw this trap when I was at Lowes one day.  It claims to kill 50 rats on 4 C batteries.
(http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/072868/072868240010lg.jpg)
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Post by: LvsChant on January 08, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
Yesterday I was working in the garden and decided to get the hose.  I stuffed it about a foot down one of the holes and turned it on full blast.  Two minutes after, the action began.  Rats were shooting out of the holes every which way.  I watched their pattern and put the snap traps in their paths, which had no effect.  Some of the rats even jumped directly onto the trigger and the traps didn't snap.  Even after the holes filled with water, rats kept shooting out.  It was amazing.  Sadly all I had was a shovel, and couldn't move it quick enough to bang them on the head.  Next time I'll bring the dogs in with me and we'll have a hell of a time. 

+1 Possenti! We both had a good time (at your expense) hearing about this. I was envisioning it and guessing your lovely wife was not out there enjoying the fun with you (LOL). We want to hear about part two. I think this is great... now you know how to "flush" them out... all you need now is something to either whack them or shoot them with for next time! Might be fun for the dogs, but maybe not the little one...

the husband ways "#8 birdshot... lead them a little"  LOL You missed your chance... could have probably gotten away with this on New Year's Eve...
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: theremart on January 09, 2011, 02:58:24 PM
I was an exterminator for 5 years.   Had access to some very nasty chemicals to do these critters in.

The main problem with rats can be the type of feed they get.   If they get the feed from a grainery they sometimes add vitamins to the feed.    It turns out that vitamin K is the antidote to some rat poison so it does not work.

The first instinct of the rat is to nest over food so if you put a cardboard box with holes cut of the side next to a wall with some poison in the wax blocks it increases the chance of them taking the bait.    Coating the bait in a bit of peanut oil / beacon grease on regular intervals also helps the process.   Be sure to not just dump the rat poison out as you might kill a dog / cat.

Regular replacing the poison on a regular basis and removing food sources if possible, and blocking their entrances with steel wool is good practices to helping thin the population.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on January 09, 2011, 04:07:07 PM
I'm, pretty sure I'm not going to use poison.  The dogs sometimes get into the garden, and I don't want there to be some residual poison in the future which would kill them.

I'm thinking next time I'm going to get some friends, a case of beer, and a bbq, and we'll all play a big game of "whack-a-mole" with rats (if they don't drown in the bucket traps first).
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: theremart on January 09, 2011, 04:18:39 PM
I'm, pretty sure I'm not going to use poison.  The dogs sometimes get into the garden, and I don't want there to be some residual poison in the future which would kill them.

I'm thinking next time I'm going to get some friends, a case of beer, and a bbq, and we'll all play a big game of "whack-a-mole" with rats (if they don't drown in the bucket traps first).

Plan B.

If they are in ground, cover all holes and run a pipe from the exhaust of your car to the hole and then cover or lawnmowers work as well.

Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: reefmarker on January 09, 2011, 05:10:19 PM
They sell those black boxes at tractor supply company for about $10.  Inside the box is a couple of baffles so the rats have to make it through a little maze to get to the poison.  The poison is the little wax blocks with holes in them.  The poison sits down on metal pegs.  This keeps everything inside even if you pick it up and shake it.  My two cats can't get to the poison, so I think it is very secure.  My cats can open drawers, doors, cabinets, toilet lids, dog and cat food bags, so I feel if they can't open the bait stations, nobody can.  Whole cost for 1 setup with poison and all is about $20 I've included the URL below.  I went through an infestation of these tiny little mice two years ago, and the snap traps, box traps, sticky traps, and electric traps did nothing but drain my wallet.   Once I got one bag of the rat bait for these stations, all my sticky traps were immediately full of almost dead mice pooping out little bluish green poisoned poop!  I got the two Savannah cats to try and catch the mice, but they never had a chance since the poison got the critters first.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/rodent-bait-traps/tomcat-reg-rat-bait-station-4203294 (http://www.tractorsupply.com/rodent-bait-traps/tomcat-reg-rat-bait-station-4203294)
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Post by: jasperg357 on January 09, 2011, 05:59:53 PM
You could try putting smoke bombs that you can get from any fireworks store in the tunnels then covering the holes. When they start digging there way out be waiting on them with a pistol loaded with rat shot.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: reefmarker on January 09, 2011, 06:34:54 PM
Yesterday I was working in the garden and decided to get the hose.  I stuffed it about a foot down one of the holes and turned it on full blast.  Two minutes after, the action began.  Rats were shooting out of the holes every which way.  I watched their pattern and put the snap traps in their paths, which had no effect.  Some of the rats even jumped directly onto the trigger and the traps didn't snap.  Even after the holes filled with water, rats kept shooting out.  It was amazing.  Sadly all I had was a shovel, and couldn't move it quick enough to bang them on the head.  Next time I'll bring the dogs in with me and we'll have a hell of a time. 

We used to do this on a turkey farm!  If you notice right before the rats come out of the hole you will see bubbles.  That is when you get your baseball bat ready and whamo!  I don't think you can ever get enough killed this way to actually get rid of them.  It is a bunch of fun for a group of young boys!  Try paying a bounty on each rat pelt.  I bet some enterprizing kid could clean them out for you quick!
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: theremart on January 09, 2011, 07:17:57 PM
They sell those black boxes at tractor supply company for about $10.  Inside the box is a couple of baffles so the rats have to make it through a little maze to get to the poison.  The poison is the little wax blocks with holes in them.  The poison sits down on metal pegs.  This keeps everything inside even if you pick it up and shake it.  My two cats can't get to the poison, so I think it is very secure.  My cats can open drawers, doors, cabinets, toilet lids, dog and cat food bags, so I feel if they can't open the bait stations, nobody can.  Whole cost for 1 setup with poison and all is about $20 I've included the URL below.  I went through an infestation of these tiny little mice two years ago, and the snap traps, box traps, sticky traps, and electric traps did nothing but drain my wallet.   Once I got one bag of the rat bait for these stations, all my sticky traps were immediately full of almost dead mice pooping out little bluish green poisoned poop!  I got the two Savannah cats to try and catch the mice, but they never had a chance since the poison got the critters first.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/rodent-bait-traps/tomcat-reg-rat-bait-station-4203294 (http://www.tractorsupply.com/rodent-bait-traps/tomcat-reg-rat-bait-station-4203294)

Excellent advice.  The Tomcat works good too.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on January 24, 2011, 04:32:26 PM
I'm thinking about getting a cat.  An outdoor cat.  This cat will be for rat control only, as I am allergic to cats.  I have two dogs who spend their days outdoors as well, but come in at night. 

Is there any way this could work? 

Cat people, tell me about having a cat for rodent control and how it works with your other pets, etc.
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Post by: antsyaunt on January 24, 2011, 05:58:25 PM
Cat people, tell me about having a cat for rodent control and how it works with your other pets, etc.
Right now we have 2 cats.  One is strong and energetic and an excellent hunter, and he has a cheerful disposition.  The other is the exact opposite.  The lazy and slow one waits for his 'brother' to bring home a kill, then steals the mouse and eats it when the hunter gets distracted.  And we thought the strong and energetic one was the smart one...
Prior to these two characters, we had a cat that was a great hunter of rabbits, chipmunks and mice.  Outdoor mice, that is.  He never wanted to go after the occasional indoor visitor.  We loved him anyway. 
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Post by: Cool Blue on January 24, 2011, 06:07:16 PM
I remembered a webpage called RatKill.com which showcased a guy's shooting abilities with a pellet gun.  Since then, the site has added live rat kill cams as well as various methods for killing rats.  One contributor suggested a simple bucket trap where a bucket of water has a ramp up to some bait strung over the water.  Rate reaches for bait and falls in the water.  The contributor claimed 57 rats n one week.  I pray I don't have that many in my yard.

I have several buckets, so I think I'll give the bucket trap a try tomorrow night.

I know somebody who leaves a bucket like this in his cabin when he's not there are he claims there's always dozens in the bucket when he shows up.

He uses a small wooden board with string tied to both ends which is strung across a bucket 3/4 full of water.  The wood has a blob of peanut butter on it.  The rats/mice try to crawl across the string and when they hit the board they flip upside down and fall in the water.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Cool Blue on January 24, 2011, 06:15:31 PM
I'm thinking about getting a cat.  An outdoor cat.  This cat will be for rat control only, as I am allergic to cats.  I have two dogs who spend their days outdoors as well, but come in at night. 

Is there any way this could work? 

Cat people, tell me about having a cat for rodent control and how it works with your other pets, etc.

I've been told that female cats are the best hunters.  Males are lazy and just wait to see what the females brought.  I've also been told not to feed your cats more than once a day if you want them to hunt.  Too much food and they don't hunt.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on January 25, 2011, 08:45:53 AM
Do cats need shots and all that?  If the cat has disease, can my dogs catch it?
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Post by: LvsChant on January 25, 2011, 10:08:59 AM
Cats need shots similar to dogs... they have some diseases that are not communicable to dogs (feline leukemia, etc.). The do need rabies shots, etc. You would also need to assure they are spayed or neutered or you'll end up with a lot of feral cats living in your area...

If you really don't like cats, and don't plan to treat the cat as a pet, maybe you should concentrate on other methods of rodent control... just my opinion.
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Post by: 4bull on January 25, 2011, 12:04:15 PM
This isnt nice so, but a knew an old fur buyer ,who live traped rats early in the fall .
Then beat it to death in the back of his shop ,while it screamed the other rats headed for the hills.
He said he only cought 1 or 2 a year.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on January 25, 2011, 02:15:00 PM

This isnt nice so, but a knew an old fur buyer ,who live traped rats early in the fall .
Then beat it to death in the back of his shop ,while it screamed the other rats headed for the hills.
He said he only cought 1 or 2 a year.

I laughed.
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Post by: Thanson_V on January 25, 2011, 03:07:00 PM
One of the things Animal Control does here in NH is relocate skunks to the beach. They do this beacause the skunks seek out rat nests and eradicate them, as well as eat the garbage that tourists leave behind so the rats don't get to it. If you can stand it, you might want to import some skunks.
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Post by: Possenti2264 on January 30, 2011, 09:14:06 PM
Yesterday, my brother came over and we spent twenty minutes or so jamming sticks into every rat hole we could find.  Once we were sure we'd filled all the holes, we grabbed a couple of shovels and opened the garden area up for the dogs to help if needed.  I got the hose and put it down one of the tunnels and let 'er rip.  

One rat managed to dig a new tunnel and pop right out of the soil.  He was quick and I missed him with the shovel.  Then a second rat.  I threw a cinder block down hard on the hole and collapsed a portion of the tunnel.  A third rat came up from the same hole as the water hose.  He peeked out of the water, took a look around, then made a break for it, charging straight at my wife who took refuge on the picnic table.  My black lab, Jane, was quicker.  She grabbed the rat and tossed him out toward the middle of the yard, then the two had a fight very similar to Gandalf vs The Balrog, except the Balrog wins (and had a little help from our shih-tzu).

The video quality is less than wonderful, but that's because my wife was trying not to fall off the picnic table while filming.  She was terrified.

WARNING: This video shows nature at work in the style of National Geographic meets Jackass, minus the nudity.  It does not end well for the rat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lZ80WKc0fA
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Post by: thezoo on January 30, 2011, 09:42:48 PM
Got im :badgarden:
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on January 31, 2011, 06:55:33 AM
Only three rats came out of the holes.  Far less than the dozen I saw last time.  We did strike the compost bin next, and we saw maybe 6, which I would assume included the first two rats that came out of the holes in the ground, since they ran that direction.  So we have 6 rats left.  I guess the rest drowned.
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Post by: thezoo on January 31, 2011, 11:23:12 AM
  Know what im thinking, snakes, how do you feel about snakes,  we have loads of them around our house, we even have 3 as pets, my uncle hates snakes, if he sees one its dead, every year hes overrun with rats& mice, and for background he lives in a very nice home, meticulously clean, well manicured yard, just no snakes..  If you can tolerate snakes, try bringing a few wild rat snakes into your yard and set up habitat  for them, a piece of roofing tin in one corner of your yard gives them a place that is warm to hide under, of course there is the possibility of atracting venomous snakes, but my experience tells me that if you leave them alone theyll leave you alone.  I know this might not be an option, if any of you have a fear of snakes, but they excell at taking out lots of rodents :)
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Post by: LvsChant on January 31, 2011, 11:28:21 AM
Thanks for posting this, possenti... I got a good chuckle. Especially at the "oooooh" at the end. Hugs to the wife and baby for me...
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Post by: Thanson_V on February 01, 2011, 05:36:20 AM
Snakes do kill rats good, but they only do it once a month. Slow metabolism. Considering that rats breed every month and have up to a dozen little rats you'd need a zillion snakes. But that would be pretty metal.
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Post by: thezoo on February 01, 2011, 12:05:09 PM
Thats not entirely true, little ruby, the one that is my avatar ate 3 rat pups and 1 hatchling quail 6 days ago, shes protesting now that she wants to eat today ( roaming her cage up, down , left, right looking for something to eat, when we first got her it wasn't uncommon to feed her after she craps, we were feeding her every 3 to 4 days, never powerfed her, but let her tell us when she wanted food) so snakes can put one heck of a dent in rodent populations, especially when many are present, they will eat the adult rats then go for a rat pup snack ;D
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Post by: reefmarker on February 03, 2011, 06:34:57 PM
Do cats need shots and all that?  If the cat has disease, can my dogs catch it?
Yes, like was said before cats need shots.  There are also lots of people out there that will turn you in if they don't feel you are taking proper care of your cats!

Anyway...the biggest problem with outside cats is cat fleas.  They will get everywhere.  Dog fleas usually only reproduce on dogs.  Cat fleas would like nothing more than to reproduce in your carpets, on your dogs, in your waistbands, etc. and they will bite and leave nice painfull itchy spots to let you know they appreciate your hospitality.  Luckily this is easy to cure.  Just bug bomb your house, have all your animals treated for fleas, treat your yard for fleas, and then repeat every week or so for the next few months.

Another problem with outside cats is fighting.  A minor scirmish will sound like world war III.  They also tend to get puncture wounds through their skin.  These wounds heal over, the bacteria grows just under the skin until it fills up (yuck), and then it pops back out through the skin leaving a wet spot on the cat.  This keeps on repeating and repeating.  Then, one of the people I noted in the first sentence reports you for something you didn't even know was an issue.  $100's of dollars of vet bills later your outside cat runs away because it sure was nice staying inside while it was sick.   :-\
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on February 04, 2011, 02:36:35 PM
I don't mind snakes.  If a snake eats rats periodically, would the rats stay away simply by virtue of the predator being present?
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: mamabear on February 04, 2011, 04:14:38 PM
I treat my cats with over the counter flea drops once a month. I get the good ones that treat for fleas, eggs, ticks, and whatever else, mosquitos maybe?, and it is $8 for all three of them. I haven't taken them in for shots, the neighbor has a cat and they have never had a cat fight, and I know that there are other cats in the neighborhood cuz I've seen them but they all seem to get along just fine without each other. We are out in the country so there is lots of room for all of them though.
 Snakes are a good idea though as long as they aren't poisonous and won't bite us humans.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: thezoo on February 05, 2011, 03:31:31 AM
I don't mind snakes.  If a snake eats rats periodically, would the rats stay away simply by virtue of the predator being present?
  Thats a good question?  a lady i used to know killed every snake she saw, her property was overrun with rats
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Oni on February 05, 2011, 09:30:05 AM
My cousin had a mouse infestation in his garage years ago. Similar to the bucket trap, he used a large 20 gallon or so fish tank with food stuff in it and a ramp to the top.  It took a few days, but a mouse ended up inside.  He left it there and the next day there were lots of them in the tank.  He said mice and rats are curious by nature, and when they saw a buddy inside chowing down on food they were compelled to join him.  When he noticed no new visitors, water was added and later he dumped a bunch of little dead mice in the trash.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: theflyingswordfish on February 09, 2011, 11:17:17 AM
Not positive that it works for rats, but I know that moth balls work for skunks, snakes, squirrels and such.  When I had a raccoon under my old house, I took a sling shot and fired a few under mothballs under there and within a couple days no more raccoon.  There is a product called snake away that is nothing but ground up moth balls that says if you sprinkler it in a line around a barn it will keep the snakes away.  One word of caution, I have a buddy that moved into a house out in the country several years ago and had a family of skunks move in under the house (1 momma and several babies).  He and his wife were understandably unhappy about this situation, so him being the brilliant person that he is, originally decided to jump up and down on the floor and bang pots together to scare the skunks away......the only effect this had was to cause all of them to spray at once and make the house completely unliveable for a month, he then decided to try the moth balls, but decided that if a couple would work, 10 lbs would work better.  It took more than 6 months for the moth ball smell to leave and it was unbearable for 2 of those months.  So if you try the moth balls, use them sparingly.  =)
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Roswell on February 09, 2011, 12:34:47 PM
I had this same problem this past season. I tried all sorts of different traps and baits until I finally found one that worked.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511nCc2HuiL._SS400_.jpg)
Victor Power Kill Mouse trap.

I killed over a dozen in like two weeks with these things.  They hold up well outside even after the rain, they are re-useable and they have a small plastic cup that holds the food.  ( I found sunflower seeds work best, even over peanut butter or store bought "rat bait"


http://www.amazon.com/Victor-M142-Power-Kill-Mouse/dp/B001O9CA7C/ref=pd_sim_ol_11 (http://www.amazon.com/Victor-M142-Power-Kill-Mouse/dp/B001O9CA7C/ref=pd_sim_ol_11)

Home Depot also sells them



I got a cat too for outside, but with a problem like that you are going to want more than one weapon at your disposal.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Hurricane on February 09, 2011, 02:01:23 PM
I have a few of those Victor plastic traps in the Rat size. The catch does not hold up very well, and on one the hinge pin in the catch came out. I think part of the problem is they snap too hard.

Deadly when they work, tho.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: caverdude on July 23, 2011, 05:12:21 PM
Would there be any danger in attaching a bare electrical wire to a rat trap? That way the rat would think he's just going to steal the bait, then he gets zapped.  Would it kill him?

Be careful there, a guy on www.darwinawards.com put up a hot wire around his garden and use 120v a/c to electrify it for neighbor hood dogs.  He was picking tomatoes and grabbed the wire. Won the award.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: LibertyBelle on July 30, 2011, 11:44:04 PM
I have a little 8 pound rough coat Irish Jack Russell Terrier that is as fast as lightening, manages to squeeze into some amazingly small spaces, and lives to kill any rats or snakes that manage to make their way onto the property.  I also have a Welsh Harlequin drake that gobbles up every single mouse/rat baby he finds and chows down on any mangled rodent/snake bodies left by the dog. The drake is not the least bit aggressive toward people, but is a terror when it comes to rodents, chasing squirrels and opossums (the drake loves to roam the yard at night, eating slugs and other nasties...and then takes "cat" naps all throughout the day), and sometimes he even chases the dog. ;D  Between the two of them, we don't have rodent (or snake) problems.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: LvsChant on July 31, 2011, 08:23:56 PM
I have a little 8 pound rough coat Irish Jack Russell Terrier that is as fast as lightening, manages to squeeze into some amazingly small spaces, and lives to kill any rats or snakes that manage to make their way onto the property.  I also have a Welsh Harlequin drake that gobbles up every single mouse/rat baby he finds and chows down on any mangled rodent/snake bodies left by the dog. The drake is not the least bit aggressive toward people, but is a terror when it comes to rodents, chasing squirrels and opossums (the drake loves to roam the yard at night, eating slugs and other nasties...and then takes "cat" naps all throughout the day), and sometimes he even chases the dog. ;D  Between the two of them, we don't have rodent (or snake) problems.

They sound like an awesome team! Thanks for sharing that...
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Cedar on August 01, 2011, 07:35:07 AM
Just like humans, rats require food, shelter and water. You need to clean up the sources they are utilizing. Rats breed quickly, so there is probably a lot of them in the colony and growing.

You will have to use steel to block their entrances, they can eat through anything else. And keep virgilant if they are starting to make new holes. Block those too.

Some rats are immune to poison. I hate poison being placed out. Being a former vet tech for 22 yrs, I have seen the consequences of non-target animals (usually dogs, although had one pygmy goat who kept getting into rat poison) getting into it. IF you use it, get the block kind which is pressed into cubes and make PVC pipes which are large enough for the rats to get into. The pipe has a end cap on it and the front end has a 45 degree angle on it to keep the poison block from falling out. I used these when I worked at the zoo for mouse control. It is safter for the non-target animals.

If you use more sticky traps (which was getting non-target animals like the birds).. force the rats to take that path and prevent the birds from getting into them by making a tunnel such as out of boards to create a 'cattle chute' and place it flush to the entrance hole/s with the sticky traps on the 'floor' of the chute.

The corn was last years food source and when they moved in. What is this years food source? What is their water source? Remove these. If you have livestock, keep feed covered. Only feed out enough feed that the livestock will clean it up with no leftovers. Feed chickens in hanging feeders.

Do you have drippy pipes anywhere? Standing water in tires, barrels? The rats do not need vast amounts of water to live, but they do need it. Empty their source/s.

Drowning rats will not easily work as they can hold their breath an incredibly long time. They do swim in sewer pipes and have been known to invade homes by coming up toilets.

Good luck..

Cedar
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: BadgerAngel on August 06, 2011, 09:04:37 AM
I second rat snake and black snake environments...If that's not an option, perhaps you should get a dachsund.  Dachsunds will kill rats, and were originally bred to kill badgers, so they have the kill instinct. 
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: ThePlainsman on August 20, 2011, 11:22:56 AM
Get a terrier, they were bred for the task. Another option is to run a hose from your car exhaust with a tube into their burrow. Might want to leave the house for a bit until it airs out. CO2 fire extinguisher also works because CO2 is heavier than air and will fill up the burrows. They can't smell it so they will not leave the burrow until it is too late. Both methods will suffocate them. I have a friend who got rid of a family of skunks that way.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on September 14, 2011, 11:58:31 AM
The Final Solution

The last of the rats met his final destiny on Saturday.  I used poison a few months ago, but the dog managed to get a hold of some and went through 8 weeks of Vit K treatment.  She's fine now.  Both dogs are good at catching rats, but the rats only come out at night and the dogs sleep inside. 

The final solution was to take the shovel and patrol the garden and compost areas looking for holes, collapsing or digging up all the holes as far as I could find.  When I found the main rat den, I used cinder blocks to cover all but one escape hole, in which I put the water hose on full blast.  Once the hole was full of water, I turned off the hose and noticed a little rippling from below the surface.  The rat stuck his nose and whiskers out to make sure the coast was clear.  He made a break for it, right into the jaws of my rott/lab mix where he was shaken to death, then severely pummeled with the shovel for good measure.  The body sans tail was approximately 10 inches long. 

The holes will be refilled this weekend.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: LvsChant on September 14, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
vid??? That had to be interesting with a rat that large!
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: MyBookie on September 15, 2011, 04:20:14 PM
I've had great success with rats with these traps http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005MW8XQ4 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005MW8XQ4) and for gophers and squirrels, this one:  http://www.amazon.com/Woodstream-Black-Hole-Rodent-Trap/dp/B0007O24US (http://www.amazon.com/Woodstream-Black-Hole-Rodent-Trap/dp/B0007O24US).
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on November 02, 2011, 10:44:51 AM
Sorry, no more vids on rat killing.

The most effective for a mass killing was the water hose and shovel. 

1.  Fill all but one of the holes with dirt.
2.  Put hose down one remaining hole.
3.  Gather family dogs around hole, arm self with large shovel.
4.  Turn on water and wait for rats.
5.  Smash rats heads with shovel as they escape hole.
6.  Any rats missed will be caught by dogs. 
7.  Dig up all rat holes for any rats hiding in underground air pockets.  Finish them with a swift chop.
8.  Fill all holes with dirt.

I found a nest of babies the day after the "last rat" was killed.  I pitchforked all the babies, their mother, and what appeared to be a slightly older litter.  They looked like beanie-weanies on a spit.  Haven't seen anymore since.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: reefmarker on November 02, 2011, 12:02:43 PM
<<SNIP SNIP>>
I found a nest of babies the day after the "last rat" was killed.  I pitchforked all the babies, their mother, and what appeared to be a slightly older litter.  They looked like beanie-weanies on a spit.  Haven't seen anymore since.

Cody Lundin would have put some seasoning on those and made them into tasty little beanie-weanies!
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on November 02, 2011, 12:12:03 PM
Cody Lundin would have cried at the use of water to flush the rats out.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: nkawtg on November 02, 2011, 05:09:51 PM
Underground rats? Sheesh.
Anyways this should do the trick.
Caution, don't do this near your septic tank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es27P11PDxc&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Possenti2264 on November 02, 2011, 10:39:05 PM
The rats nested underneath the a/c unit right next to my daughter's bedroom.  I wasn't sure if the car exhaust could somehow get inside the house, so I didn't try to smoke them out. 

Also, the blast thing is cool, but again, the nest was under the a/c, so I wouldn't want to damage it.
Title: Beware of this side effect of poison
Post by: Cadfael on December 30, 2011, 12:44:56 PM
The one thing that I haven't seen anyone mention regarding poison is that it can backfire on you if you put it out in the basement or cellar of your living space: the rats sometimes eat the bait, go back to their (often inaccessible) nest or other abode, and then die there.  Then they decompose and stink up the place something awful.  When you add in the fact that the rat may die in a place where your dog can get at it, and possibly chew on it, the negatives of poison have always outweighed the positives for me. YMMV.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: devildoc on February 08, 2012, 02:43:15 AM
Uhmmm , its under a slab , gas and a match btw stand to the side when u light it.

second option i used to do as a kid. get the real traps for animal trapping. slather the trigger with peanut butter if u have cereal add some it makes them push the trigger down to get the cereal. you can also go without bait just dig the area out a bit so u can place the traps.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: RPZ on February 08, 2012, 02:47:25 AM
Get a couple of ferrets. They will kill all your rats, and if you keep them outside and fed andn watered they will keep the rats away as long as you have them there.
Title: F#$%* RATS
Post by: mngardener on February 25, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
So I have a known rat issue. if the rule if you see one you know you have 12 applies, well i saw 20. son of a _____

So my desires are use DeCon last. i have about 30 days before i do that. (that is when i can kick the chickens out of the coop for a week or so and not worry much about them, and clean out all the straw in the coop. this will isolate the problem area and starve them out and add poison. )

So while the last thing i want to add is Cyanide to my living space. Do any of you know of any more organic versions of rat deurrants of versions of killing them.

I am currently trying baking soda mixed with sugar and flour, also with chicken grain. The ratios are 1 part soda 2 parts other. The idea is the rats can't pass gas very well and their stomachs expand/explode. all done with them.

 Word has it it works well with gulls too. ;)

Any further ideas?

Other then a shotgun....
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: LvsChant on February 25, 2012, 09:58:03 PM
@mngardener... thought you might find help in this older thread about a similar problem... enjoy!

Topics merged.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: ShannonB on February 25, 2012, 11:51:18 PM
We have had a run in with Texas Roof Rats here.  In my garage, which is attached to my house. I can hear them in the walls and attic now.  My dog was kind enough to bring one to me and laid it on my feet.... I screamed and she danced around all proud.

Every year my city makes updates to the park behind my house or in the last two years we have had a lot of new construction around here, sheds, detached garages, new shopping centers.

Its a pain and really gross. We keep our non-food preps in out garage. They ate a case of toliet paper.

We have traps out everywhere and have only caught 2 counting the one the dog caught. No poisons, i cant take the chance of my dogs getting sick, they are like my babies.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: devildoc on February 26, 2012, 08:45:34 PM
told yah, gas would have been better :)
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Flboy on May 06, 2012, 07:25:47 PM
I'm, pretty sure I'm not going to use poison.  The dogs sometimes get into the garden, and I don't want there to be some residual poison in the future which would kill them.

I'm thinking next time I'm going to get some friends, a case of beer, and a bbq, and we'll all play a big game of "whack-a-mole" with rats (if they don't drown in the bucket traps first).
         As long as you put the bait in a proper "baiting station" as the above posters suggested there will be no residual poison.  Make sure you use a rodenticide such as this http://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/contrac-blox-rodenticide-p-80.html in a block form.  It will attach with a bar inside the bait station so the rodents can't "trans-locate" the bait. They can only eat it in the box.
          Secondary poisoning isn't as much of a issue as people think, after most of the commonly used baits are ingested and um uhh expelled it is no longer dangerous to our pets. Also your dogs would get sick of eating "contaminated rat bodies" before they would get sick from eating them. 
          And please if you get your hands on zinc phosphate or tracking powder don't use it, they both work well but not worth the risk. If you need any pointers please email or pm me, this is what i do for a living. Well i guess that's a lie, this is what I pay my tech to do now.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: D.Zaster on May 07, 2012, 06:35:53 AM
My parents had rats in their garage a few years back.  My dad enlisted the help of a friend with an aggressive Jack Russell Terrier to come over, and left it in the garage for a few hours. It killed a rat every time.  Apparently that's what the Jack Russell Terriers were bred for back in the day.  This went on for several weeks, until his friends' wife found out what they were using the family dog for!

Then he used borax missed in peanut butter for the rest of them. Good luck!

DZ
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Oil Lady on May 07, 2012, 07:40:10 AM
And here we have yet another banner thread at TSP. Just 80 posts and over 5,000 views. That kind of a disparity between the two numbers tells me that this thread is being picked up in Google searches being executed by non-TSP folks looking for answers on how to combat rats. And so they unknowingly click their way into this forum and thus get introduced to the world of Prepping. :)

Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: LibertyBelle on May 07, 2012, 06:44:43 PM
That kind of a disparity between the two numbers tells me that this thread is being picked up in Google searches being executed by non-TSP folks looking for answers on how to combat rats. And so they unknowingly click their way into this forum and thus get introduced to the world of Prepping. :)

Whatever works. ;D  But those numbers also serves as a reminder that many who reads our messages are not part of the TSP family and we need to be careful about including personal info when it comes to some of our replies.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Roundabouts on June 15, 2012, 07:13:55 AM
Great thread.  Just sorry I really need the info.  Dang it!!  We have a rat problem.  They have dug under the slab foundation of the barn.  When I say dug I mean they have made a huge condo under there.  Now I know why the cement floor is cracking.  After further inspection we have found that the barn has sunk about a 1/2 inch on the west side.  There was nothing left to hold up the building.  The sill plate is about 6" off the ground.  So we have dug new footings for support under the sill plate.   Yesterday was doing some remodeling moved a bunch of stuff saw a couple big holes thought no problem just fill with cement.  While digging to set some forms.  2/3 of the foundation gave way! There was a huge housing tunnel and dens the rats made.  I had hubby come home with a friend so we could get things taken care of.  Hated to do that but 2 of the 4 sides of the barn no support.  I don't even want to know about the west side.  At least the north side is fine. 

During this process our boston terrier Goblin has turned into a very good rat hunter.  Getting better with all the experience he is getting.  He has only been able to catch and kill young ones about 40 so far.  40 little rats.  Crap almighty this must mean we have tons of rats.  >:( :o    Goblin has even found them in the green house and now he is alerting on the back porch.  Crap!!!

Needless to say once all the new foundations are in and holes plugged we are going rat hunting every day!
 So according to this thread I will try

A trash can with bait string and a board to try and catch them
Rat traps
shooting them
gassing them
wack with a shovel (got only one that way the second got away)
poison if we can get the summer home made for our pigs and birds. (pigs love baby rats know I know why they were digging in the barn)
Borax and peanut butter

Cats ferrets snakes ( we live in SW WA) more dogs water hose under slab options not really doable.

Did I miss any thing?  besides call an exterminator?  We keep all feed in metal garbage cans. Have never had a rat chew through the bags of extra feed (never really saw that much poo either).  Will also try and make some kind of nipple watering system so we don't have to have buckets of water around.  That won't work for all the animals so will still have to have some open water source. 

THIS IS WAR!!!
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: LvsChant on June 18, 2012, 11:34:31 AM
Wow! That's amazing, Roundabout... keep us posted on how the rat war goes. It sounds like they are running from the condo, so maybe the biggest part will be done before long.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Roundabouts on June 18, 2012, 05:06:15 PM
Goblin our boston terrier found and destroyed another nest this one had 15 babies!   Sunny and Luna 2 of our pigs were right there to munch out.  I think they are even getting the idea to dig them up.  Funny to watch Goblin goes into the hole under the foundation the pigs stand behind him waiting for a snack. We have team work here! ;) 
We now have all the support footings and posts under the barn.  Today we were going to finish up stuffing cement under everything.  Didn't pan out for today maybe tomorrow.   At least last night we didn't forget to cover all the holes with wood and rocks.  Forgot the night before poor Bella our youngest pig curled up in the hole to sleep and got stuck.  Poor girl was squealing up a storm in the morning when she couldn't get out for breakfast.  Man was she jammed in there good.  She is fine and was very happy I came to help.  She even took the time to give me a nudge before she ran for her food.   Then we will tackle the 3rd side of the barn.  It does not look to bad so hoping that we can just block the holes.  Well will leave one open so we can gas the suckers.

The green house is still rat free! Goblin and the pigs got every thing taken care of.  Now Goblin is alerting under the house and back porch!  :pissed:  It seems the frigen rats have moved.  Now I understand why the pigs are rooting making pig holes to sleep in  next to the deck steps.  They are waiting for a midnight snack.   ;)

Seems pigs can be added to the how to kill rats. The hen turkeys do their share too.  One of then saw a rat in their house and chased it out.  She was out for blood.  The other 2 hens came running over to her and they all paced around the rat hole pecking at it and making really strange sounds.  That may be why the don't all want to sleep in their house lately.  Well all at the same time. Two sleep inside and one sleeps out side on the fence rail.  They take turns.  The tom well he has taken to sleeping on the roof of their house or the barn roof.  Cracks me up like when you see some one jump up on a chair when they see a mouse.  Our tom flys up on the roof when he sees a rat. ;D  Guess he can't be bothered  with stuff like that he is to busy being a pretty boy.  Mr. Jiggles is always puffing up turning blue and doing his stomping jiggle dance for the ladies.  So funny to watch him deflate when they turn him down.  Maybe if he spent more time in protection mode vs horney mode it would work better for him?   Always a show around here.   

Still blows my mind how we had so many rats and never knew it.
Title: Re: Rats from hell. Need advice.
Post by: Richard_Steel on January 19, 2020, 02:33:24 AM
Anyone tried sealing all but one of the rat holes and giving it a good blast with a co2 fire extinguisher.