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Title: Bandaids
Post by: aakelley on February 05, 2009, 05:39:06 PM
So I have been prepping for about 10 months and I think I am almost getting to the stage where I am set on the beans and bullets side of things.  I, however, am woefully short on the bandaids side.  I have a few first aid kits from REI that I have in the two BoBs in our cars, and a bigger one in the house.  I also have purchased and glanced through "Where there is no Doctor" and "Where there is no Dentist".  What else should I be doing?  It seems to me above the other two areas, this is one where I should look into investing as much (time at least) in training as in physical items.  True?
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: James Yeager on February 05, 2009, 09:41:30 PM
I am biased but I think every BoB should contain a "Ventilated Operator Kit" http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=37 (http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=37)

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The Tactical Response Gear Ventilated Operator Kit – V.O.K.

Tactical Response Gear is proud to offer the most complete and cost effective personal trauma kit available the “Ventilated Operator Kit”. Each V.O.K. includes a Cinch Tight Compression "H" Bandage, a rugged combat tourniquet, gauze, a nasal airway, Surgilube, a 14ga catheter, two safety pins, 2”x100” roll of duct tape, and a set of exam gloves. It will easily fit in your glove box, BDU pocket, backpack, or range bag so buy a few and place them strategically around your car, home, workplace, and on your person.

M.O.V.E.!

By: James Yeager

Motionless Operators Ventilate Easily (the acronym M.O.V.E.) is one of the phrases we use during our firearms training courses. It comes from our mantra that if you are not behind cover or concealment when the gunfight starts, you should be moving toward it, or at least, moving off the line of attack as quickly as you are able. Firearms training schools spend the majority of their time concentrating on teaching their students to induce trauma and not relieve it (as they should be) but unfortunately many students walk away with the impression that dealing with gunshot wounds isn’t part of the gunman’s responsibilities. It is.

I often ask my students during classes “Is it more important to shoot the bad guy or for you not to be shot?” A few over eager students blurt out “SHOOT THE BAD GUY!” and as they are just finishing with their answer, their brain fully deciphers the question and they have this look of embarrassment on their faces. It is indeed more important to not be shot than it is to shoot the bad guy. But the reality of gun fighting is sometimes we don’t move fast enough, or our partners don’t move fast enough, and a good guy ends up getting wounded.

The current thinking is you first apply self aide to these injuries. The days of shouting “MEDIC!” and somebody running up to you are a thing of the past. Modern medics are riflemen first and medics second. The next level of care is “buddy aide” and this is where after the fight is quelled somewhat your team mate assists you. The third level of care is “Medic Aide” and this occurs only after the most intense part of the battle has subsided. What does this mean to operators? Regardless if you are “Joe Citizen”, a soldier or a cop you will be on your own for a few minutes and you will need the knowledge and skill to assist yourself and or your team mates. In Vietnam , there were an estimated 2,500 deaths that would be survivable with today’s Combat Life Saver training and tactics that Soldiers receive. This change is long overdue.

Critical blood loss, obstructed airway and tension pneumothorax from a perforating chest wound (yes they all suck) are the “big three” injuries that commonly kill operators. Now don’t get worried about all this medical jargon. If a Neanderthal like me can figure this out so can you. As you begin to dig into what it takes to keep someone alive it isn’t very difficult. Keeping them alive for an extended amount of time has its own more complex series of issues but keeping them alive until the ambulance arrives isn’t too tough.

What is the main difference between the medical training in use during Vietnam and now? The application of tourniquets FIRST is the biggest shift in the modern programs. Previously, medics were told that a tourniquet was a “last resort” and only to be used if there was no other option. By the time they tried several unsuccessful attempts to stop bleeding with substandard bandages, the operator bled out. The medics were great but the protocol was terrible.

Individual medical kits (also called blow out kits) have also greatly improved the last few years as well. A “Blow Out” kit is a kit designed to prevent immediate loss of life from a traumatic injury. A “first aid” or “boo-boo” kit is used for minor cuts and scrapes and is useless for life support. The types of first aid kits at your workplace are little more then a headache relief center. Nothing that will save lives is in that metal cabinet on the wall. The two should NEVER be mixed together. You don’t need to dig through Band-Aids and Chapstick to find your life saving tools. Anything that cannot be used to stop the immediate loss of life goes in a different pouch.

There are several kits on the market and many of them are very good but a few are terrible. I will share my thoughts on what should be in a personal trauma kit. We will use a femoral wound from a gunshot through the thigh as an example. This is a very common wound. I think there are some items that should be in every kit and one is a set of gloves to protect you from blood borne pathogens. Since your hands are your best trauma tools you will use them the most. Most likely you won’t put them on to treat a team mate, but when you stop to help someone in a car wreck, wear them. A tourniquet should be in the kit and should be applied immediately.

In the past, there was much misinformation about the use of tourniquets and it still has a stranglehold on stateside emergency medical services. “But he will lose his limb!” is the biggest fallacy that has managed to live until now. The fact is that every day, tourniquets are used for as many as three or four hours on a regular basis for medical procedures. Applying tourniquets first is saving lives in Iraq and Afghanistan and the harsh reality is that if you had the choice between losing a limb or losing your life you would lose the limb. You won’t lose your limb and neither will your buddy. Put the damn tourniquet on and save his life.

The kit also needs some wound packing material like gauze. For deep wounds like a femoral wound from a shot through the thigh you need something to pack in the hole so pressure can be applied to the artery from the topside via bandaging. You can use just about anything but something relatively porous with a lot of surface area like gauze works best. After that wound is packed you need to put on a bandage. My personal favorite is the “H-Bandage” which is an absorbent pad sewn onto a elastic bandage. It has a heavy duty “H” shaped anchor in which to wind the elastic around for a super compression. The H-Bandage applies pressure all the way around the leg but now it is pushing on the gauze which is pressing on the artery. Hopefully the combination of the tourniquet and the H-Bandage has stemmed the blood flow.

What is “critical blood loss”? You can take many things to a gunfight like more guns and more ammo but taking more blood with you isn’t feasible. All the blood you have in you right now is all the blood you have. On average we have six quarts of the oxygen carrying fluid in our bodies. We “lose” a pint when we give at the Red Cross and that isn’t a very big deal. As a matter of fact, we can lose an entire quart and still be in pretty good shape. The serious problems begin to occur when we lose more than a quart and when two quarts of the hydraulic fluid leaks out of us, we have most likely lost consciousness. When we lose three quarts of blood or more, we expire.

You cannot swallow your tongue but an obstructed airway can be caused by the muscles at the back of the tongue relaxing and blocking the airway. This is most common with unconscious people lying on their back. The simplest way to solve this is to roll them onto their side and allow gravity to do the work of moving that muscle. A good kit will have an airway. They come in two flavors either nasal or oral. The nasal type are preferred because they are less likely to cause a gag reflex on a semi-conscious patient and since one size will fit the vast majority of people there is no need to carry several different sizes as with the oral type. Safety pins are useful for this as well and even though it is bloody as hell you can pin their tongue to their bottom lip to keep the airway open.

Tension Pneumothorax is the accumulation of air under pressure in the pleural space. The pleural space is the area between your chest wall and your lung. When a bullet enters the chest it makes a “valve” so to speak with the damaged tissues. When you breathe in the valve opens and lets air in but when you breathe out it closes and traps the air. An early warning sign is that your team mate will be telling you he cannot breathe deeply. As the pleural space fills with air, the lung will collapse. No big deal because you can breathe with one lung but the real problem is the pressurized air is now squeezing the heart and if a little more pressure accumulates, the heart won’t be able to pump against it and your buddy will die.

A very late warning sign for Tension Pneumothorax is tracheal deviation. You will see the trachea pushed to the opposite side of the body as the wound. Something must be done immediately and that something is putting a big catheter in the space between the second and third rib known as the “second intercostal space”. Inserting that 14ga needle just above the third rib will most likely provide immediate results and you might even hear air hissing out of it. Be aware some companies won’t put a needle in their kit. Don’t buy that kit.

That brings me to my next point. If you cannot be trusted to carry a needle you need to turn in your gun. We all know they both require training and reading this article won’t meet that requirement. I love it when I am told I shouldn’t talk about catheters and chest decompression because of “liability”. Reality Check: I teach good people to kill bad people and anything else I do carries less liability with it. I have opened up a can of worms with this article and hopefully motivated you to seriously consider some medical training as tactical training if it makes it easier to swallow.

Get some medical training. Even a simple Red Cross first aid class is better than nothing. There are plenty of places doing two day gunshot or immediate action medical classes, so do some research and pick the right one. Take this issue seriously and get yourself into a class. You can get plenty of free info about battlefield medicine at http://www.GetOffTheX.com.

I carry two trauma kits daily. One is for inducing trauma and one is for relieving it. Every soldier, cop, civilian contractor, and armed citizen needs to have to the skill and the tools to save lives along with the ones to take lives. You will find more opportunities to be a hero from saving a life than taking one so put some training and gear for dealing with a medical emergency on your wish list…and don’t forget M.O.V.E.!
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: James Yeager on February 05, 2009, 09:44:33 PM
Pics from our 2-day "Immediate Action Medical" class:

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Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: 19kilo on February 05, 2009, 10:19:03 PM
Mr Yeager has it down.  If you think you have all the first aid supplies you need,  then you should know how to use it. 

Training.
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: Beetle on February 05, 2009, 10:44:52 PM
James
   Do you travel for classes or have a school we have to come to?
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: aakelley on February 06, 2009, 04:34:20 AM
Looks interesting.  I see where to get the kits.  Where to get the training?

Also, what about medicines / pharmaceuticals to store-up?  No one in my family is on any perscriptions, so that's a non-issue.  Just basic Tylenol and Cold/Flu medicine?
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: BigDanInTX on February 06, 2009, 05:04:33 AM
Here's a link to the class they offer.  Looks like they are only offering it in Camden, TN, the home of Tactical Response...
http://www.tacticalresponse.com/course.php?courseID=36 (http://www.tacticalresponse.com/course.php?courseID=36)

I know for the Fighting Pistol/Fighting Rifle classes, they do travel when people contact them about teaching on their property.  I'm sure you guys would be curious if they do the same for the medical course.
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: James Yeager on February 06, 2009, 07:34:51 AM
Looks interesting.  I see where to get the kits.  Where to get the training?

Also, what about medicines / pharmaceuticals to store-up?  No one in my family is on any perscriptions, so that's a non-issue.  Just basic Tylenol and Cold/Flu medicine?

Your “Boo-Boo” (BoB quantities shown, add more for household) kit should contain:
 
10) Ibuprofen, 200 mg
10) Acetaminophen, 500 mg
10) Antacid
10) Cold and sinus tablets
10) Loperimide, 2 mg
10) Menthol/eucalyptus cough drops
10) Diphenhydramine 25 mg
10) Potassium replacement tablets
5) Hydrocortisone 1% cream packets
5) Triple-antibiotic packets
2) Eye wash solution, single-dose bottles
20) Band-aids, 1 x 3”
1 roll) ½” medical tape
1) Container of burn gel
2) Wound cleaning wipes
1 pr) Splinter tweezers
1) Nylon zipper bag for above,4 x 6”
1) Package of oral rehydration salts
10) Imodium AD tablets

MEDS: (largest multidose available)
- 2 Vials Nubain
- 2 Vials Rocephin
- 2 Vials Metronidazole
- 2 Vials Vancomycin
- 2 Vials Vistaril
- 2 Vials Diazepam
- 2 Vials Haldol
- 2 Vials Ketamine
- 2 Vials Decadron
- 2 Vials Epinephrine 1:1000
- 2 Vials Phenylephrine
- 2 Vials 2% Lidocaine plain
- 1 Vial Enalapril
- 2 Vials Furosemide
- 1 Bottle Tetracaine
- 1 MIDI Albuterol
- 2 Bottles each otic & optho antibiotics
- 2 Vials Zofran
- 1 Bottle nitro tabs
- 1 Cardio Pack with ASA, Plavix, Beta - -  Blocker, & Statin tabs
- 3 Vials Anti-venin in cold pack (Belize, etc.)
- 2 250 cc NS
- 2 250 cc D5NS
- 4 Bottles 23.4% NaCl
- Blood tubing, start kits, etc.
- Several courses oral Fluoroquinolone antibiotics
- Several courses oral Doxycycline antibiotics
- Packets of oral narcs, ibuprofen, benadryl, imodium, laxatives, antifungals, modafinil, topiramate, caffeine, sleepers, birth control pills, boo-boo meds, etc.
- Oral Rehydration Salts
- 2 tubes antifungal cream
- 2 tubes steroid cream
- 2 tubes petroleum jelly
- Durgesic patches
- Scopolamine patches


You and your family should also get Tetanus and Hep vaccines NOW.

Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: James Yeager on February 06, 2009, 07:41:52 AM
Here's a link to the class they offer.  Looks like they are only offering it in Camden, TN, the home of Tactical Response...
http://www.tacticalresponse.com/course.php?courseID=36 (http://www.tacticalresponse.com/course.php?courseID=36)

I know for the Fighting Pistol/Fighting Rifle classes, they do travel when people contact them about teaching on their property.  I'm sure you guys would be curious if they do the same for the medical course.

Thanks BigDan,

We travel all over the world teaching. I am sure we do a class near just about everyone in North America. The problem with the medical courses is that they are a tough sell and many times do not fill on our traveling classes. It is a shame too because it is such a great course.
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: Tactical Badger on February 06, 2009, 12:02:43 PM
Holy Crap!!!  That is the moulage from hell!!  I love it!

I know that is a class I would love to take.
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: John Q Public on February 06, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
James,

+1. As usual, you are a font of knowledge.
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: James Yeager on February 06, 2009, 08:57:28 PM
James,

+1. As usual, you are a font of knowledge.

Awww shucks....
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: Beetle on February 07, 2009, 02:15:48 AM
 Be cool if our department would hire you for a training.
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: James Yeager on February 07, 2009, 04:37:36 AM
Be cool if our department would hire you for a training.

No department I have ever worked for would spring for "retail" training. They were happy to have some slacker go to an "instructor school" and have him bumble through training us.  ::)
Title: Re: Bandaids
Post by: Beetle on February 07, 2009, 12:39:40 PM
Be cool if our department would hire you for a training.

No department I have ever worked for would spring for "retail" training. They were happy to have some slacker go to an "instructor school" and have him bumble through training us.  ::)
  Don't you just love politics and budgets. They do the same thing here, some of the trainers have hundreds of thousands spent on sending them all over hell and creation. But every now and then they actually spring for a real trainer to come and teach.