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Title: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cdunlop on June 27, 2011, 08:56:48 PM
Nat geo channel, let's see how they spin everything.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: ncjeeper on June 27, 2011, 09:13:02 PM
Wasnt too bad.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: average_joe on June 27, 2011, 09:41:10 PM
I DVR'd it and I'll check it out tomorrow.
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Post by: chris on June 27, 2011, 10:21:58 PM
Definitely slanted, but not too bad.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on June 28, 2011, 08:54:30 AM
Did anyone else catch the National Geographic show "Doomsday Preppers (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/doomsday-preppers-6202/Overview)" last night (6/27/11)? 

For once, rather than having a documentary on how the world is going to end, but giving no advice or making preppers look like a bunch of right-wing wingnuts, they just explored four relatively normal families across the country (two in Phoenix, one in Columbia, NC, one in SLC) who lived the prepper lifestyle.  They they had expert recommendations for each family on how to prep better. 

Probably the most fascinating for me was the Phoenix family who converted their backyard swimming pool into a giant solar powered aquaculture system.  Holy crap, they have tilapia coming out their ears that are eating primarily duck weed which is fertilized by chicken poop.  Great system.  Very impressive.  The only weakness I think they failed to point out is the family's primary concern is CME and grid failure, but they are reliant on photovoltaics to run the aquaponics pump.  I'm not sure, but I thought CME radiation could damage solar arrays. 

Anyway, might be a good show to set the DVR up for and hope for a re-run or maybe you can watch it on line.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: The Professor on June 28, 2011, 09:53:10 AM
I guess I'm a bit jaded, but. . .

It was an interesting show.  For us, being preppers, we were rather interested in the scope of the showcased people's preps.  Both my wife and I wondered, several times, about the veracity of some of the people that were interviewed. 

I didn't catch who the "expert" was that was evaluating each family/group's preps.  That might have been interesting to know.

But we both got a chuckle out of several parts such as the group with the ex-Iraq War veteran who they claimed had "extensive combat training" and who they showed shooting at two targets while training the rest of the group.  Despite comments made earlier in the program that the group had mandated frequent training with firearms, I only saw, maybe, two people who exhibited any experience shooting.  In fact, IIRC, one of the men said that he had never fired an AR15 before that day.  I also think NatGeo cherry-picked some comments and statements, as would be expected.  After all, they're selling advertising time during that show.  A bunch of people farming would not draw as many viewers as the time they showed them shooting their weapons (poorly, I might add, for a group that openly voiced their plans and extensive preparations to defend themselves against looters, etc.).

Even the guy in Utah who allegedly walked the "last couple of miles" to his underground shelter toting his BOB and openly carrying his rifle was suspect to us.

Realize that the people they chose to include in the final show asked to be on this program.  In fact, I remember seeing the casting call for this particular program a while back.  They weren't found and asked to be on this show. Each and every one of them had to respond to a posting and convince the producers that THEY were the ones that should be interviewed and filmed.  Therefore, it's obvious that they wanted to show off what they had, on some level.

Both of us were very impressed at the levels of some of their preps.  Hopefully, it showed others what is possible with some effort and planning.

Honestly, I'm just glad they didn't have some guy with wild hair jammed up in a Caterpillar cap, a rabbit bone sticking out of his beard dressed in a dirty t-shirt and coveralls pointing to the woman next to him and saying "This is my wife and my sister. . ."

The Professor
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Post by: Cedar on June 28, 2011, 09:57:40 AM
What was the name of the show so we can look it up?

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: average_joe on June 28, 2011, 10:19:00 AM
What was the name of the show so we can look it up?

Cedar

Doomsday Preppers..... Still haven't had a chance to see it. Saved on the DVR.... I follow 2 of the guys on u tube.


Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: MuddyFork on June 28, 2011, 10:23:57 AM
Here it is on youtube. It's in 4 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMPepJpadbo
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on June 28, 2011, 10:27:11 AM
I will have to look for other sources, I went clear to July 11th and it is not on the listings.

Cedar
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Post by: Saint on June 28, 2011, 10:29:08 AM
Embarrassed to say I fell asleep after the first family (does that say more about me or the show?)
I, too, was very impressed by the tilapia - but distracted by the constant reference to the solar eruption in 2012.
I also liked/appreciated the "expert's" advice on bringing their neighbors/community more into the picture.
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Post by: Cedar on June 28, 2011, 10:31:43 AM
National Geographic "Doomsday Preppers"

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMPepJpadbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMPepJpadbo)
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmOCslkYT58&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmOCslkYT58&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20fjEKnjDxU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20fjEKnjDxU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4ACG3-gEd4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4ACG3-gEd4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: annestacey on June 28, 2011, 10:56:34 AM
I'm surprised that I missed this.  I"m always checking the listings for interesting stuff and normally would have latched on to that one right away.   But also went to bed early.  Thanks for the link.  I'm gonna check it out.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Xixor5 on June 28, 2011, 12:07:57 PM
I'm trying to get my girlfriend onboard with prepping.  Would showing her this help or does it still make preppers look a little off their rockers? :(
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on June 28, 2011, 12:09:44 PM
I'm trying to get my girlfriend onboard with prepping.  Would showing her this help or does it still make preppers look a little off their rockers? :(

I think it puts them mostly in a good light. But it depends on her.. if your gf thinks that we are all whacked.. it might not help, but for the most part, they were all 'normal' families.

Cedar
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Post by: LvsChant on June 28, 2011, 01:54:03 PM
I dunno... I think they are pretty extreme (which doesn't mean I'm not impressed-- each example they showed had done some very cool things)... plus each seems to be waiting for their own version of the apocalypse. I'm thinking it might not help in convincing others, since they are pretty radical relative to many preppers. I mean... this is a far cry from getting folks to store up enough food to make it for 2 weeks, which is where many TSP newbs start.

While I enjoyed it a great deal and found many things they do very intriguing, I didn't need convincing on the need to prepare.
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Post by: endurance on June 28, 2011, 02:02:42 PM
I dunno... I think they are pretty extreme (which doesn't mean I'm not impressed-- each example they showed had done some very cool things)... plus each seems to be waiting for their own version of the apocalypse. I'm thinking it might not help in convincing others, since they are pretty radical relative to many preppers. I mean... this is a far cry from getting folks to store up enough food to make it for 2 weeks, which is where many TSP newbs start.

While I enjoyed it a great deal and found many things they do very intriguing, I didn't need convincing on the need to prepare.
Agreed.  While they each seemed sane from my perspective, when they show rooms filled with thousands of pounds of food, it's pretty intimidating for a newbie.  Might want to start her out with something talking gently about the risks, like Chris Martenson, Peter Schiff (Crash Proof I and II), and/or Jared Diamond (Collapse), and start the conversation about 'what would you do?' after that.  Easier to feed her a little salt and let her seek out the water than to make her drink.  Once the conversation gets going, then you can talk about what realistic steps you can take. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Outdoorfury on June 28, 2011, 02:24:34 PM
a buddy of mine called last night and told me to watch it... i do not have cable though... i was couponing anyway... i will try to catch it on youtube.
thanks Ceder!
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Post by: Xixor5 on June 28, 2011, 03:15:19 PM
Cool.  I'll try and get her to watch it.  She's already on board with the food storage we've started.
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Post by: Bubafat on June 28, 2011, 05:08:25 PM
While I don't think they necessarily purposely portray these people as extremists, they definitely do seem a little out there. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Xixor5 on June 28, 2011, 06:53:25 PM
Just watched it with the GF.  I guess she took it pretty well.  I started talking about some of my plans and she gave me her standard "mmmhmmm okay... sure" response.  All that was missing was the pat on the head and fake smile :) lol.  Looks like I'm still on my own  :'(
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Post by: average_joe on June 28, 2011, 08:11:35 PM
Scott and David are on youtube their channels are engineer775 and southernprepper. The 2nd family from Arizona I think the woman runs the blog survivalmom. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that is her. She was the one talking about opsec and then had a semi deliver skids of dehydrated food to her home. :o
 

 
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Post by: Bradbn4 on June 28, 2011, 08:40:49 PM
Some real good ideas on folks being prepared.  The assessment phase I think is very week, no real back ground on big pictures on the why and what fourths.

I do like the Honey-ville walk thru part.  Wish one of those was within 250 miles from me.   -- Can you say road trip?
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Post by: smuglydawg on June 29, 2011, 02:00:25 AM
Have ot on the DVR and watching some now
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Post by: Nicodemus on June 29, 2011, 07:26:28 AM
I was able to watch the show this morning, and for the most part it was a lot better than I had anticipated.

They didn't show the preppers in a negative light. With the exception of the family that was concerned about a CME with no explanation for their beliefs the preppers appeared to have sound reasoning that most any non-prepper could find logical.

I would like to have seen some information on the experts and would like for them to have had a little more input though the little advice they gave was good.
Title: Doomsday Preppers
Post by: Scooter123456789 on June 29, 2011, 09:21:54 AM
A coworker at work was talking about this show.  He didn't understand why we prep.  Some people just don't get it. Have looked for episodes but  nothing out yet. If you have any more info on this show please share..
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 29, 2011, 10:01:08 AM
The show was good overall.  Some of the preppers had very narrow objectives though.  The most extreme was the nuclear shelter.  While that might be the "ultimate", that's really only ideal for a nuclear assault.  Personally I'd rather defend a rural property, breathe fresh air and eat well than live in a tube eating ramen noodles for months.

Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Scooter123456789 on June 29, 2011, 10:50:37 AM
Watched all 4 on youtube. I think the one guy has taken the book of Patriots and copied it. Which is my thoughts.  Overall we have learned alot from all these families.  I am just curious who these professionals are that are evaluating them. What are there credentials to say what they are doing wrong..Overall, looking for the next episodes.  If they have anymore..
 :)
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Post by: endurance on June 29, 2011, 11:40:34 AM
The show was good overall.  Some of the preppers had very narrow objectives though.  The most extreme was the nuclear shelter.  While that might be the "ultimate", that's really only ideal for a nuclear assault.  Personally I'd rather defend a rural property, breathe fresh air and eat well than live in a tube eating ramen noodles for months.
Yep, not to mention that property looked pretty high in elevation and not like there was a lot of water around (which is why he was storing 6,000 gallons).  Kinda hard to grow food there after you come out of your shelter, I'd think. 

I'm torn on changes to the show.  There's too many shows that spend time talking about the threats and not enough about the solutions.  While it did seem like the focus of many folks was narrow, that may just be how it was portrayed in the show.  It was obvious the first family from Phoenix was ready for far more than just CME.  They'd do well in an economic collapse and had contingencies in place for a nuclear reactor problem, too.

While I'm sure the mainstream viewer is happy to just point and laugh at us when watching the show, I feel good having a show like that on the air.  It's not only an opportunity to learn about other people's preps, strengths and weakesses, it's somehow reassuring to know it's mainstream enough that they could actually make a show about it.  The more folks who prep, the less sheep will come knocking and the more alliances we can establish.
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Post by: Doug on June 29, 2011, 12:30:14 PM
I think it puts them mostly in a good light. But it depends on her.. if your gf thinks that we are all whacked.. it might not help, but for the most part, they were all 'normal' families.

Cedar

If you want to get her on board then show her the following.

Dr Jeremy Leggett interview (Catalyst - Oil Crunch, ABC TV)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPKLKWIh3gA&feature=related

Chris Skrebowski interview (Catalyst - Oil Crunch, ABC TV), editor Petroleum Review journal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAdnuGUYXp8&feature=related

Fatih Birol (IEA) interview (Catalyst - Oil Crunch, ABC TV)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKkISqOCnVA&feature=related


United States Joint Forces Command:
U.S. JOINT OPERATING ENVIRONMENT REPORT 2010
Full report http://www.fas.org/man/eprint/joe2010.pdf
“A severe energy crunch is inevitable without a massive expansion of production and refining capacity. While it is difficult to predict precisely what economic, political, and strategic effects such a shortfall might produce, it surely would reduce the prospects for growth in both the developing and developed worlds. Such an economic slowdown would exacerbate other unresolved tensions, push fragile and failing states further down the path toward collapse, and perhaps have serious economic impact on both China and India. At best, it would lead to periods of harsh economic adjustment. To what extent conservation measures, investments in alternative energy production, and efforts to expand petroleum production from tar sands and shale would mitigate such a period of adjustment is difficult to predict. One should not forget that the Great Depression spawned a number of totalitarian regimes that sought economic prosperity for their nations by ruthless conquest...By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million barrels per day...The implications for future conflict are ominous, if energy supplies cannot keep up with demand and should states see the need to militarily secure dwindling energy resources.”



Charles Maxwell: Natural Gas: Abundance or Mirage
http://aspo.tv/2010-peak-oil-conference/charles-maxwell-natural-gas-abundance-or-mirage/


Five leading petroleum industry experts discuss the major production challenges posed by oil depletion. While new fields are being discovered, the steady pace of depletion, a growing world population, and diminished investment in new exploration and production point to a constrained world oil supply in the next few years. This video features Sadad al-Husseini, Jeremy Gilbert, Jeremy Leggett, Chris Skrebowski, and Jim Buckee:

Acknowledging Peak Oil, featuring Sadad al-Husseini
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZp-OxZuflE&feature=related

Peak Oil Reality: Discovery & Production Won't Meet Future Demand, featuring Sadad al-Husseini
OilEducationTV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d3kK4kgz5g&feature=related

Evaluating World Reserves: How Much Is Left?, featuring Sadad al-Husseini
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riyv56pixOk


The Crash Course
http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse

http://www.chrismartenson.com/page/crash-course-one-year-anniversary
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Malamute on June 29, 2011, 02:04:36 PM
I watched it and I thought the Phoenix lady was right about the major roads out of Phoenix being a potential deathtrap in the event of a big evacuation, but wrong about resigning herself to "bug in."  I know very little about the Phoenix area but I have to believe there must be some potentially viable BOL options via the backroads in the area. 

Quote from: Saint
I, too, was very impressed by the tilapia - but distracted by the constant reference to the solar eruption in 2012.
I've talked to no less than 3 unrelated people, all from states Colorado and west of there, who have unsolicitedly brought up to me past and future solar activity as a rationale/segue into a kind of broadbrushed 2012/MayanCalendar/NewAge theme.  So it appears to be a pretty big meme that has caught on in the Western US.

The South Carolina setup looked great.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: cpf240 on July 03, 2011, 11:38:33 AM
The 2nd family from Arizona I think the woman runs the blog survivalmom. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that is her. She was the one talking about opsec and then had a semi deliver skids of dehydrated food to her home. :o

Yes, that was the Survival Mom on the show, and she has a few things to say about the way the show was put together:
http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/06/29/did-the-natgeo-doomsday-preppers-tell-the-whole-story/ (http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/06/29/did-the-natgeo-doomsday-preppers-tell-the-whole-story/)
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Post by: Bubafat on July 03, 2011, 12:55:07 PM
She says they weren't paid a dime for the interviews.  I find that disgraceful.  Even if they were only paid for their time I still think they should have gotten SOMETHING out of it.
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Post by: annestacey on July 03, 2011, 01:50:58 PM
She says they weren't paid a dime for the interviews.  I find that disgraceful.  Even if they were only paid for their time I still think they should have gotten SOMETHING out of it.

Yes that's crazy.  They're exposing themselves to the world as preppers.  That's the only way I would have done the interview is if they paid me a boatload of money to do it.  Why else would they do these  interviews that could possibly put their families in danger should something happen in the future?  Maybe I'm missing something.
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Post by: Cedar on July 03, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
As I was talking to others on TSP chat about it, I thought that the editor jazzed some of the 'quotes' to make a more interesting story. But in reading the producers take on it.. Alan Madison who made the show, at least he perhaps learned something from interviewing the 4 families.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/doomsday-preppers-6202/Overview#tab-blog (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/doomsday-preppers-6202/Overview#tab-blog)

I feel Alan 'gets it' and still doesn't 'get it' at the same time. And I don't know if Dennis and Danielle McClung are right about a coronal mass ejection (CME), but according to NASA.... http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/sunearthsystem/main/News080210-cme.html (http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/sunearthsystem/main/News080210-cme.html)

"A CME can make the 93-million-mile journey to Earth in just two to four days. Stronger solar storms could cause adverse impacts to space-based assets and technological infrastructure on Earth."

So who is to say... The September 1859 Carrington Super Flare is said ...."Telegraph systems all over Europe and North America failed in some cases even shocking telegraph operators. Telegraph pylons threw sparks and telegraph paper spontaneously caught fire. Some telegraph systems appeared to continue to send and receive messages despite having been disconnected from their power supplies."

So it is a possibility and who is to say they are wrong?

Cedar



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Post by: Xixor5 on July 03, 2011, 04:50:22 PM
I've been reading this book called Handbook to Practical Disaster Preparedness for the Family by Arthur T. Bradley.  This guy is smart (PH.D and works for NASA) and he said somewhere in his book that an EMP type event was the one he considered to be the least likely.  He was comparing pretty much all disasters from floods, earthquakes, tsunamis, and even economic collapse.  Of course he can't know for sure but anyway it's a great book.  Check it out.  I bought it from his web site and he mailed it out ASAP with a free radiation sticker thingy and I even emailed him a couple times.  Cool guy.  I'll see if I can find a link.

http://disasterpreparer.com/




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Post by: dbatstl on July 03, 2011, 11:50:27 PM
After hearing about this show and finally going to youtube to watch. I noticed the first family the Mclungs from Arizona were interviewed by Nick Ladieu from Save our Skills podcast. It was his his first episode. It was definately a better idea of what they had done with their aquaponics system. The tv show I think put preppers in a bad light. It can make us look a little extreme. I just think if you're this hooked up why would you put it out there for the whole world to see.
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Post by: Doug on July 04, 2011, 08:23:14 AM
After hearing about this show and finally going to youtube to watch. I noticed the first family the Mclungs from Arizona were interviewed by Nick Ladieu from Save our Skills podcast. It was his his first episode. It was definately a better idea of what they had done with their aquaponics system. The tv show I think put preppers in a bad light. It can make us look a little extreme. I just think if you're this hooked up why would you put it out there for the whole world to see.

It's like I said up above (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=28325.msg315066#msg315066) an oil crunch is going to hit everyone and unlike a corona ejection belief there's no speculation about an oil crunch happening. It will...in this decade.
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Post by: Rookinde on July 04, 2011, 08:41:44 AM
My wife and I watched and liked it. I would like to ask if other members when the new episodes come out if they would post the you tube links for us none cable people that would be great. I would say that they did use the most extreme people. I thought the guy with the bunker was missing a lot. No where does he have garden started to learn the skills. If the water he has stored is above ground then won't the become contaminated?

Rook
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Post by: Roundabouts on July 06, 2011, 12:38:59 PM
Thanks to those that posted the You Tube link.  Crazy & interesting show.
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Post by: OKGranny on July 06, 2011, 01:43:31 PM
I kinda enjoyed it. One thing that made it nice was that my oldest stepson was here while it was on and he's been so sure guns and ammo would be all he ever needed it was interesting to watch the lightbulb come on for him a few times. I'm pretty sure it did make a lot of grasshoppers laugh but that's ok too.
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Post by: hobbs67 on July 06, 2011, 02:10:00 PM
Did I miss something on the swimming pool folks, a well for example, as all I could think of was the question of a water based survival strategy in the middle of Arizona?  Perhaps i just don't understand how it works.

The experts advice seemed ill-advised as well, invite neigbors to come over so they can be sure to remember the strange covered pool next door if something happens. 

Of them all, the Utah guy seemed to get the most "extreme" treatment, perhaps rightly so.  His version seemed no fun at all.

I enjoyed the SC folks the most. Their youtube channels are interesting as well.  The engineer guy is a Pastor of a Calvary Chapel too -- generally theologically sound churches.
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Post by: Rookinde on July 06, 2011, 06:59:33 PM
The woman that was storing rice in 2liter soda bottles. Has anyone else tried that and is it good to reuse them?

Rook
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Post by: endurance on July 06, 2011, 07:03:44 PM
The woman that was storing rice in 2liter soda bottles. Has anyone else tried that and is it good to reuse them?

Rook
For smaller quantities and ease of accessibility, it's hard to beat them.  While I wouldn't go for my long term storage in all 2L bottles (because they tend to crush when you use O2 absorbers), for the mid-term (today to 2-3 years), they're great.  For long term it's still hard to beat 6 gallon buckets with gamma seal lids, but they're inconvenient to have in your kitchen/pantry.
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Post by: d0j0w0 on July 06, 2011, 08:17:21 PM
I liked the show.  I always get something out of shows like this, good or bad.
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 08, 2011, 02:35:40 PM
The woman that was storing rice in 2liter soda bottles. Has anyone else tried that and is it good to reuse them?

Rook

Likely better over a woven sack.

Another good use for 2L soda bottles is storing water in the freezer.  I fill them 2/3 and if/when my garage freezer has space, shove them in.
The function is 2 part:

1) a little extra water storage
2) helps maintain the low temps inside the freezer in the event of a power outage

Jack might have mentioned this in a show way back.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: DeltaEchoVictor on July 09, 2011, 04:13:28 PM
The show was interesting, & I did enjoy it but I still think it came down a little too far on the lunatic side of things. 

Not that I necessarily think any of those folks are lunatics, we all have our reasons for prepping, but it does IMO give the uninitiated a very narrow view of what prepping is about.
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Post by: Roknrandy on July 30, 2011, 05:25:43 PM
This show re-airs in 25 minutes on the national geographic channel
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Post by: hanzel on July 31, 2011, 06:54:08 AM
This show re-airs in 25 minutes on the national geographic channel

Thanks.  I missed your posing by about an hour however I was able to Tivo the next show that was on at 10pm.  I think it airs one more time soon. 
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Post by: Bennington1776 on August 01, 2011, 11:48:43 AM
Overall I thought the show was done well.  I would also like to know the backgrounds of the so called exports who are evaluating these families.  I don’t think they should have used their names or allowed their faces to be shown and in some cases their home addresses.  But then again it would not have made for “good TV’.  Two families highlighted from AZ gives a poor view of what those in other environments would face, Beach, Mountains, Plains States, inner city of NY/LA/Chicago or rural areas.  A more diverse location choice would highlight some of the strategy differences.  Oh and here comes family three in SC and four in the Rockies.
Thoughts on family 1:  A concern would be now neighbors, local officials and others now know you have resources and when they run out these people could be logical targets.  It is great that the whole family is involved.  Constant exposure and repetition will provide the much needed readiness if their prepper nightmare turns into a reality.

Family two has a great mindset for the bug in with no plans on having to leave their home.  They also involve the children which is a necessity.  As good as it seems to take delivery of their items at night, they live in suburbia and their neighbors will notice a delivery truck in the middle of the night and take more notice to it than I think the family intends.  It would be better to make several trips in their personal vehicles, drive into their garage and unload within the confines of the closed garage.

Family three has exposed the group system where by partnering with other like minded preppers each bringing skill sets to “the farm”.  They also seem to have done better then the first two families by not advertising as well their location.  All though again, those who know them may be able to more readily locate them in a SHTF situation. 

Family four like family three seem to take a more OPSEC approach to their prepping and bug out location.  It was nice to see that there was a chess game and other activities for the children and adults.  Living in an underground shelter for any length of time wound need to be guarded against the psychological aspects of not having the ability to go outside and cabin fever.
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Post by: RacinRob on August 01, 2011, 06:49:14 PM
I don't think it would sell as a TV show if it featured a more mainstream view.  I could just see a show on me.  He bought an extra can of corn, peas, and a buy on get one free Bic lighter at the store today.  Oh my look he refilled his gas tank at half empty.  He bought 2 silver dimes he was missing out of his book. Spent to hours looking around for good deals, but went home empty handed.  And whats this 3 hours at the range, firing a total of 50 rounds through the evil death ray 10/22 in 15 minutes, BSing with the old guys for 2hours 45 minutes. The grand tour of his home revels only full cupboards and a gun safe...  I think you get the idea.
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Post by: Saint on August 02, 2011, 07:31:45 AM
Xixor5,
any chance the author would be interested in an interview with Jack? If you're emailing him, maybe send him the pre-question survey - if nothing else he might consider it a good book selling opportunity - and we might learn a thing or two.
Saint
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Post by: Dennis McClung on August 09, 2011, 02:42:52 PM
Dennis McClung here. I would be more than happy to answer anything about the Doomsday Preppers show. Let me know.
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Post by: Cedar on August 09, 2011, 02:54:03 PM
Dennis McClung here. I would be more than happy to answer anything about the Doomsday Preppers show. Let me know.

Where did you get your seed stock for Tilapia? And nice well thought out recycled project on your pool. Kudos..

Cedar

PS Welcome to the forum
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Post by: Dennis McClung on August 09, 2011, 02:58:27 PM
Where did you get your seed stock for Tilapia? And nice well thought out recycled project on your pool. Kudos..

Cedar
We found 1 local shop that had Nile Tilapia. We started with 5 fish and soon had thousands. We give tours to locals via our meetup group. Thanks for the kudos. Thanks for the welcome. I figure some might want to hear my perspective. I enjoy the podcast so I guess I was a lurker.
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Post by: Cedar on August 09, 2011, 03:06:09 PM
Well, quit lurking then.....  ;)

So having been on both sides of the camera before and in the media as an editor myself, WHAT WAS **YOUR** take on how your family was portrayed? What would you have changed? What was COMPLETELY misquoted? (there always seems to be)...

Cedar
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Post by: Nicodemus on August 09, 2011, 03:10:16 PM
Hi Dennis, I'm glad that you hopped on the TSP forum.

First let me say that I love your Greenhouse/Aquaponics/Chicken Coop setup. It's a great bit of engineering(?) and quite the inspiration.

A lot of us watched the show and have talked about it a few times here, as you can see, and in the TSP Forum Chat.

We were talking about your focus on a CME and grid down scenario as a focus for your reasoning behind preparing and how there seemed to be a timeline attached to the possibility. We also noted that there was no real explanation for the timeline.

Is there a reason that you feel a CME that takes down the grid is almost assured or is it just one of the possibilities that you're preparing for?

Do you feel you were a little misrepresented by the editor's and director's choice in how it played?

How are your electronics for the aquaponics protected for a CME event?

How are you getting the neighbors on board?

Are you thinking about something more than a knife for defense?
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Post by: Dennis McClung on August 09, 2011, 03:29:23 PM
It is good to know you understand the media. Some are much better than others. I had high hopes for this particular project since it was Nat Geo.

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WHAT WAS **YOUR** take on how your family was portrayed?
Our family thought that it was great to see prepping on TV, however it was very sensationalized and scripted. The producers insisted that we only talk about solar activity in 2012 because they already had folks talking about the normal stuff. After everything I said, and much of it was coached, they made me add something about 2012. I turned on my 2012 countdown during the interview to advertise my business, but the editors took out any mention of my survival supply website. We do not believe in doomsday, as they made us seem to appear. Doomsday was never mentioned. The show was simply called "Preppers" through all of the production. The time I did say doomsday was out of context. We refused to mention a great part of our plan, including our bug out locations and defense. We felt that they would just exploit it and blow our operational security. We also happened to film shortly following the Tucson shootings so it really appropriate to show weapons at the time.

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What would you have changed?
I would have been more aware of how they could have edited my family.

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What was COMPLETELY misquoted?
Any mention that we believe in 2012 doomsday. We believe in the possibility of increased solar activity in this time frame, but we aren't prophets. My wife and I decided to be as self-sufficient and prepared as we could with a five year plan beginning in 2007. I guess that makes us 2012ers to the media. I admit that the 2012 calendar exposed me to the solar activity in cycle 24. We decided to base our prepping strategy on surviving what we seen as the worst case scenario thus preparing us for more than the average prepper. The Garden Pool is a byproduct of this.
The two producers were very pushy and we were very worried how they were portraying us from the beginning. We never really trusted them and we felt they were mocking us. We insisted that they pay us for our time and they went ballistic. I believe that we were the only folks paid for this piece. I think they took it out on us in the editing room. We actually filmed for four days, and by days I mean 13 hour days. We felt our time was worth something.

To make a long story short: the editors were creeps who made us something we are not, crazy. We planned with self-sufficiency in mind and they refused to make us look anywhere near rational. They did not show the whole picture, only their story.

Look for a better show coming August 28th from TLC called Livin' for the Apocalypse. The show will also feature Peggy Layton!
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Post by: archer on August 09, 2011, 03:39:37 PM
Dennis, here is Jacks' guest form if you would like to be interviewed by him (if you have not filled it out already).
http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/guest-submission
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Post by: Cedar on August 09, 2011, 03:43:53 PM
As I was talking to others on TSP chat about it, I thought that the editor jazzed some of the 'quotes' to make a more interesting story.
Cedar

Our family thought that it was great to see prepping on TV, however it was very sensationalized and scripted. The producers insisted that we only talk about solar activity in 2012 because they already had folks talking about the normal stuff. After everything I said, and much of it was coached, they made me add something about 2012.

I thought that after I saw it and said it in a post somewhere here.. I thought it looked suspicious and you were being suggested as what to say. I did have to laugh at your boy wearing gloves to get the chicken eggs though. I think he had them on for something else and left them on? I was laughing as I was wondering how many 'city folk' thought that you had to grab the eggs with gloves all the time.

The ones who are real preppers will suspect you are not crazy, and the other people who are not preppers think we are all crazy anyway.. We all know who and what we are.... smart.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Dennis McClung on August 09, 2011, 03:44:33 PM
Hi Dennis, I'm glad that you hopped on the TSP forum. First let me say that I love your Greenhouse/Aquaponics/Chicken Coop setup. It's a great bit of engineering(?) and quite the inspiration.
Thanks!

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A lot of us watched the show and have talked about it a few times here, as you can see, and in the TSP Forum Chat.
We were talking about your focus on a CME and grid down scenario as a focus for your reasoning behind preparing and how there seemed to be a timeline attached to the possibility. We also noted that there was no real explanation for the timeline.
Is there a reason that you feel a CME that takes down the grid is almost assured or is it just one of the possibilities that you're preparing for?
My wife and I decided in 2007 to live as prepared and self-sufficient as we could in five years. We came across the CME scenario and decided to focus our worst case scenario on that. We do not believe it is deffinately going to happen in any way shape or form. We do believe that something like the Carrington Event could happen again, one day, and it would be horrible for the unprepared. We also believe in normal disaster scenarios too. The producers did not want to hear this. We made a five year plan to be debt free, buy a home, produce our food, harvest and store water, etc.

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Do you feel you were a little misrepresented by the editor's and director's choice in how it played?
Yes.

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How are your electronics for the aquaponics protected for a CME event?
It is off-grid. We also have backups of everything. Worse case scenario is we can use a screw pump.

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How are you getting the neighbors on board?
Well, we give tours regularly and are featured in the local media. I run two local meetup groups with around 200 members total. We know most of our neighbors and we live in a huge LDS neighborhood. The producers said that they needed something on every participant to complain about from their expert, who ever that is. I doubt they really had an expert of any kind, really. I did not believe in their assessment because it was made up.

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Are you thinking about something more than a knife for defense?
Lets put it this way, I live in Arizona.  ;)
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Dennis McClung on August 09, 2011, 03:53:44 PM
Dennis, here is Jacks' guest form if you would like to be interviewed by him (if you have not filled it out already).
http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/guest-submission
Thanks, Archer. I just filled it out. If Jack wants to do it, I would be more than happy to talk.

And Cedar, that chicken part was actually filmed in a warm day on spring. And they insisted that my son wear the sweatshirt for continuity from earlier filming during winter. I've worked with better crews.
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Post by: Nicodemus on August 09, 2011, 03:54:41 PM
There's no need to go through my post. I think you answered all of my questions in your response to Cedar's queries.

But since you answered them anyway before I posted... Thanks!  ;D

Thanks for the clarification and welcome aboard. I hope you stick around!
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on August 09, 2011, 03:56:20 PM
The producers said that they needed something on every participant to complain about from their expert, who ever that is. I doubt they really had an expert of any kind, really. I did not believe in their assessment because it was made up.

We were all wondering who the 'expert/s' were and wondered why they were being so secretive about it.

How is your recirculating pump hooked up to your solar and what size panel are you using? They did not show much of that. I plan on raising fish (Blackwater trout) at some point. I was in Canada on my 1 acre pond, but it didn't happen before I moved back to the States. Looking for other options besides catfish and trout (which I need to have more ppm of O2 for). Your Tilapia look like a great choice.

Cedar - who is helping you get 10 posts so you can come into the chatroom if you like
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Dennis McClung on August 09, 2011, 04:13:07 PM
Cedar - My solar setup is nine 15 watt panels and two 125 Watt amp hour marine batteries. I have a controller, etc, but all that my pump requires is 35 watts. We could go a few days without sun, no problem. We could stretch it farther with timers if we wanted to as well. Gravity also saves us a ton of energy. We do use some LED lighting as well in the seed propagation room (also not shown on the show for continuity). If we lived in colder climate we would raise yellow perch.
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Post by: endurance on August 09, 2011, 04:37:53 PM
Dennis, thanks so much for answering our questions and honestly, thanks for doing the show, too.  If it weren't for folks like you willing to give up a little opsec in exchange for an education and point of discussion there'd be even more unprepared grasshoppers out there.  One of my best prepping friends came out of a discussion of The Colony, so real good can come out of putting yourself out there.

Your food production system is simply incredible.  I'm just totally impressed. 

Since you have done some CME research (which is infinitely more than me), do you know what impact a CME would have on a solar array?  What about inverters and charge controllers in an off-grid system?  I'm just curious what your research has revealed.  It's always been a concern of mine that a solar array would be just as fried as the grid in an EMP or CME.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on August 09, 2011, 06:06:18 PM
For those questioning. The old videos which were posted are said to be down and here is one full length. Dennis is the first family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaxjfQheNes

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Nicodemus on August 09, 2011, 06:38:11 PM
Thanks Cedar!
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Post by: Bennington1776 on August 10, 2011, 11:32:13 PM
Dennis, thank you for providing your prospective on your part of the show and some of the background.  There are always two sides to every story.  You have a lot of knowledge that you can contribute to this forum.
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Post by: Dennis McClung on August 11, 2011, 10:00:00 AM
Since you have done some CME research (which is infinitely more than me), do you know what impact a CME would have on a solar array?  What about inverters and charge controllers in an off-grid system?  I'm just curious what your research has revealed.  It's always been a concern of mine that a solar array would be just as fried as the grid in an EMP or CME.
Thanks for the kind words. I also enjoyed The Colony. The producers called me for casting of season two, but I was filming for another documentary at the time and, unfortunately, could not pursue it. I wish they were going back for season three!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Magnetosphere_rendition.jpg/360px-Magnetosphere_rendition.jpg)
The effects of a CME would primarily effect the electrical grid, radio, and satellites. In the last big storm, in 1859, the only grid we had fried, the telegraph lines. The power lines we use today are larger and more widespread. They act as an antenna to pick up the charged particles from space. A small off-grid solar setup should not be damaged in such an event.
An EMP could do some serious damage to the controllers and inverters if it was close enough. The most likely EMP attack would involve a nuclear explosion in the atmosphere, or even space. If this was the case, it's effects would be more like that of a CME. The widespread reach would be unfathomable, but small off-grid setups should be functional.
In the worst case scenario, it is possible to use a manual screw pump to keep the system going. It would function as an ebb & flow system rather than the current NFT approach I am using in aquaponic food production.

Dennis, thank you for providing your prospective on your part of the show and some of the background.  There are always two sides to every story.  You have a lot of knowledge that you can contribute to this forum.
I appreciate the welcome. It is always great to be with like-minded folks.
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Post by: endurance on August 11, 2011, 01:47:44 PM
Thanks for the feedback.  I'm trying to create redundency in my heating system, which is a natural gas boiler, but uses about 3amps to operate, plus a 1.5 amp circulator pump and a couple of .5 amp kick fans.  At under a 1000 watts of intermitent and seasonal demand it would be easy enough to have a relatively small (400-500 ah @ 12vdc) battery bank, 2-3 200w panels and a small generator to back it up and top off the batteries as needed.  However, I've always had a concern that something like EMP or CME could wipe out my own capacity, too.  Obviously there's the risk that compressor stations will go down, too, and I'm working on wood heat, too. 

In any case, I appreciate your feedback.  I think the most likely scenarios are storms of the non-solar kind (i.e. big snow storms), for which the resiliency I'm creating should be adequate (especially since I already have enough fuel stored for the genny for a week or two worth of battery charging, even without the solar panels).
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Call on August 18, 2011, 08:18:13 PM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but I saw a Canadian documentary on 2012 earlier this year: the Arizona/pool/tilapia guy makes a living selling 2012 products to people. So it's also a business for him. This show didn't mention that IIRC.
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Post by: USMCAllen on August 19, 2011, 01:18:58 AM
im just cracking up at how dennis has "fledgling prepper" as his title.

but seriously, do you really eat talapia for every meal as the show portrayed? im not a fish guy... bleh
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Post by: Oil Lady on August 19, 2011, 05:35:26 AM
I haven't seen the show, but it's awesome that shows of some kind are at least being made.

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Post by: Dennis McClung on August 22, 2011, 01:42:56 PM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but I saw a Canadian documentary on 2012 earlier this year: the Arizona/pool/tilapia guy makes a living selling 2012 products to people. So it's also a business for him. This show didn't mention that IIRC.
Yes, I was in that CBC doc which later aired in the states on MSNBC. I do have a business that caters to the 2012 people, I sell survival supplies. The countdown during my interviews on Nat Geo was from my survival supply business, but the producer took it upon his self to block it out. They refer to me as a web developer, which is partially true, but misleading nonetheless. They wanted to make me seem as average as possible.

im just cracking up at how dennis has "fledgling prepper" as his title.

but seriously, do you really eat talapia for every meal as the show portrayed? im not a fish guy... bleh
I find the title funny too.  We do eat a good deal of tilapia, however we do use biological population control so we don't have to eat it "every single day" as the producers took it upon themselves to proclaim. I am not a fish guy myself, believe it or not. Tilapia is pretty mild tasting so it is as good as your cooking is. Try it.

I haven't seen the show, but it's awesome that shows of some kind are at least being made.
I agree 100%. It is sad that I have to be taken out of context to make it what the producers want to portray, but at least the shows are being made. It is up to the viewer to watch for both entertainment value and shreds of reality. I remember talking to Cody Lundin about the media and yellow journalism. He said he got sick of the countless requests for him to eat rodents for sensationalism. He did his thing and muddled through the media until he finally got lucky and made a great show that many now enjoy. Hopefully, one of these shows will take off past backdoor pilot and make a good series.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: USMCAllen on August 23, 2011, 01:36:26 AM
man i grew up where "cooking" meant heating something up after reading how long and what temp on the box.

how do you make it taste good? vary up the flavoring?
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Dan on August 26, 2011, 02:34:49 PM
Look for a better show coming August 28th from TLC called Livin' for the Apocalypse. The show will also feature Peggy Layton!

Here is a link to the dates and and times for this show. Livin' for the Apocalypse (http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56576.0.0)
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: The Professor on August 28, 2011, 07:50:33 PM
It's back on tonight, in about 15 mins from when this is posted.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on August 28, 2011, 10:02:45 PM
Thanks guys.  I would have missed this one.  The DVR is getting workout tonight.  In addition to my usual Sunday night shows, there's been some interesting terrorism, 9/11, and other shows worth recording.
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Post by: Cedar on August 28, 2011, 11:00:20 PM
Ok, this one made 'preppers' even seem more.. ummmm.. shall we say COLORFUL (?), but I think they did better justice to Dennis and his family this time.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on August 28, 2011, 11:05:24 PM
In addition to my usual Sunday night shows, there's been some interesting terrorism, 9/11, and other shows worth recording.


... And they were??

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: marauder on August 29, 2011, 05:21:53 AM
Ok, this one made 'preppers' even seem more.. ummmm.. shall we say COLORFUL (?), but I think they did better justice to Dennis and his family this time.

Cedar

My wife made it through the first family from Utah. However, once the second family came on--with the 6'4" crossdresser--she immediately snatched the remote and changed the channel. I need to set the DVR to catch the last 45 minutes. lol.

The first family was a little off the wall, but I certainly admire their redundancies. BOL in the mountains, underground bunker under work location, etc. Pretty interesting and unique set-ups.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on August 29, 2011, 06:35:56 AM

... And they were??

Cedar
Megaquake: Hour that shook Japan
Pro Cycling Special
Livin' for the Apocolypse
george w bush: the 9/11 interview
curiosity
The Wild Within: off the grid Alaska
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Combat Doc on August 29, 2011, 06:52:32 AM
I see that Cedar asked if it was known who the experts were. Was the question answered in this or another thread?
Doc
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: BadgerAngel on August 29, 2011, 07:34:25 AM
Hey, Endurance, that off the grid Alaska sounds interesting.  What network was it on? 
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on August 29, 2011, 09:05:19 AM
Hey, Endurance, that off the grid Alaska sounds interesting.  What network was it on?
It's part of a series called The Wild Within on the Travel Channel.  Honestly, I think it's one of the cooler shows on right now.  The guy goes around the world hunting and fishing with local natives, from Moose hunting in the Yukon to wild pig hunting with a knife in Hawaii to bow fishing in the Amazon basin.

I think he's the best ambassador for hunting I've ever seen.  Very ethical guy.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: BadgerAngel on August 29, 2011, 09:11:47 AM
Thanks, Endurance, I appreciate it.  I'll have to see if I can find it on Netflix or Hulu or something. 
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Post by: The Professor on August 29, 2011, 10:08:22 AM
My wife made it through the first family from Utah. However, once the second family came on--with the 6'4" crossdresser--she immediately snatched the remote and changed the channel. I need to set the DVR to catch the last 45 minutes. lol.

The first family was a little off the wall, but I certainly admire their redundancies. BOL in the mountains, underground bunker under work location, etc. Pretty interesting and unique set-ups.

Yeah. . .

We ended up watching the whole episode.  My wife and I got the same feeling that either the producer just wanted to show some real whack-jobs (no pun intended), or was trying to show the true diversity of the prepping culture.

Sadly, the majority of the show centered around the least-prepared, most "sensational" preppers.  Rather than go into  many of the other aspects of a prepping lifestyle, they chose to concentrate on a low-income, 6'4", mentally-challenged individual and his partner who are more worried about getting his/her medications after the Apocalypse, lest he/she goes "crazy."  Oh, and yeah, they had to go with the "C-word."  Regardless of whether it was serious or not, they had to say it.

I was meaning "cannibalism," (what were you thinking?).  In her own words ". . .why waste meat?"

I realize that I shouldn't expect anyone to put survivalists in a good light.  I keep hoping, however, that at least they'll do it from a neutral perspective. With preparedness becoming more and more mainstream, I wish someone would avoid the fringe of the groups and stop spotlighting the sloping-foreheaded, inbred country rednecks who introduce their entourage as ". . . this is my wife and my sister. . ." with only one woman standing next to them and describe their plans as ". . .we're gonna protect this here trailer."

Or, in this case, an imbalanced, low-income transsexual with cannibalistic fantasies who might just go off the deep end because the government-funded gender-modifying drugs may stop coming when the zombies take over (yes, they are worried about zombies).

The wife and I both got ticked off about how it was presented, not that they were prepping.  Honestly, everyone has problems we must all overcome.  These two "room-mates" (who allegedly met while they were both dating the same guy) still had the entire victim mentality.  "I can't do this because I don't make no money."  or "It's hard because my guinea-pig and costume-making business don't supplement my SSI enough to prep."

Rather than show all the trannie, white-trash bullsh**, I wish they'd have shown the _real_ struggles of a couple of preppers who actually have overcome some adversity.  No, their preps weren't perfect, but dammit. . .they were trying (not hard enough, IMHO, but trying, nonetheless). 

I know, I know. . .they won't get any viewers that way and, hence, won't sell any advertising.  Yes, I understand that sensationalism sells.  But, can't someone do a decent investigative documentary on prepping?

<sigh> I gotta get to class.

The Professor

* For the record, I'm not bashing on any group in particular. . .I'm bashing on the guy in the show, specifically.  I don't care who does what to  whom, how often or with what equipment as long as both are consenting adults and they don't violate anyone's personal rights.

Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Doug on August 29, 2011, 10:56:57 AM
I'm with you Prof.

Dennis, I glad they presented you in a much better light this time around....sustainable living. You are doing a damn good job of it. But in all seriousness I wish you weren't into the Mayan 2012 stuff. I'm a prepper and I don't believe in that stuff. Most people don't. These shows are being selective in their programing and editing to trying to make preppers look like fringe oddballs. You saw that editing in the first show you did.

If they were to put me on one of these shows I'd talk about only one thing with regards to a need for prepping... Peak Oil. Why PO? Because it is backed by facts, data, and expert opinions. Peak Oil is here and it will affect every single person. Here's what I mean and here's you some research. All these links are credible and/or reputable. For example, I quote the US Pentagon's JOE Report 2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAdnuGUYXp8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPKLKWIh3gA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKkISqOCnVA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/user/OilEducationTV#p/u/2/oZp-OxZuflE

http://www.youtube.com/user/OilEducationTV#p/u/3/4d3kK4kgz5g

Oil & Gas Journal; Hess Chief: Action needed to avoid oil crisis
"Given the long lead times of at least 5-10 years from discovery to production, an oil crisis is coming and sooner than most people think. Unfortunately, we are behaving in ways that suggest we do not know there is a serious problem," Hess said...With OPEC now down to 2.5 million b/d of spare capacity, Hess said, "We no longer have the safety margin for supply interruptions and demand spikes to ensure price stability. OPEC, with approximately two thirds of the world's proven conventional crude reserves and one third of its production capacity, certainly has the resource base to relieve the pressure." However, he said, "All oil producers—OPEC and non-OPEC alike—simply are not investing enough today to ensure sufficient capacity to meet oil needs in the next 10 years."

Pentagon
United States Joint Forces Command:
U.S. JOINT OPERATING ENVIRONMENT REPORT 2010
http://www.fas.org/man/eprint/joe2010.pdf
“A severe energy crunch is inevitable without a massive expansion of production and refining capacity. While it is difficult to predict precisely what economic, political, and strategic effects such a shortfall might produce, it surely would reduce the prospects for growth in both the developing and developed worlds. Such an economic slowdown would exacerbate other unresolved tensions, push fragile and failing states further down the path toward collapse, and perhaps have serious economic impact on both China and India. At best, it would lead to periods of harsh economic adjustment. To what extent conservation measures, investments in alternative energy production, and efforts to expand petroleum production from tar sands and shale would mitigate such a period of adjustment is difficult to predict. One should not forget that the Great Depression spawned a number of totalitarian regimes that sought economic prosperity for their nations by ruthless conquest...By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million barrels per day...The implications for future conflict are ominous, if energy supplies cannot keep up with demand and should states see the need to militarily secure dwindling energy resources.”

To put that 10 million shortfall into perspective, The US Department of Energy's Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that out of approximately 19+ million barrels of oil the US consumes each day over 9 million barrels of oil is consumed as gasoline. IOW a shortfall of 10 million barrels world wide by 2015 would be the same as having every interstate highway to every Podunk road accross all 50 states vacant of gasoline powered autos. 

The Impending World Energy Mess by Dr. Robert Hirsch
Q&A with Dr Robert L. Hirsch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am1DGjzxBrI&feature=&p=C67C313D080214AA&index=0&playnext=1
HIrsch's bio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Hirsch

Here's a visual: As crappy as the global economy is it still needs 88,000,000 barrels per day to function on. Those 42-gallon barrels would fill 67,200,000 steel drums. A 55-gallon steel drum is 3 feet tall. If you stack those steel drums end to end they'd stretch 38,182 miles long. That's 1 1/2 times around the earth each day. That volume of oil could fill enough steel drums to encircle the earht 560 times each year. There is not way in hell that volume will every be replaced veggie oils.


http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2009/03/energy-challenge/mckibben-text
National Geographic editorialized the International Energy Agency (IEA) report by saying it would be like putting online a new Kuwait’s worth of oil output every year: "The Energy Information Administration, an arm of the U.S. government, forecast last year that, all things being equal, world energy consumption would increase 50 percent by 2030. That's a good round number, summing up the desire of people across the world for refrigerators, televisions, ice cubes, hamburgers, motorbikes, and maybe even a little air-conditioning in the tropics.”

“But it's not at all clear where that energy can come from, because we happen to be alive at the moment when the oil is starting to run out. In November 2008 the International Energy Agency estimated that production from the world's mature oil fields was declining 6.7 percent a year, a rate that is expected to get even worse over time. Offsetting this decline will require finding a new Kuwait's worth of output every year, or somehow squeezing that much more from existing fields. Many observers think we've already passed the peak of oil production. An optimist in this world is someone who thinks it might still be a matter of years. But there's little question where the future lies, which is why the cost of a barrel of oil spiked to $147 last year. It took the prospect of a Great Recession to bring it back down to $40. Curbing high gas prices with recurrent economic slumps is probably not the smartest of remedies."

And here's that IEA report that National Geographic is talking about:

IEA World Energy Outlook 2008
http://www.iea.org/Textbase/npsum/WEO2008SUM.pdf
Main text
The projected increase in global oil output hinges on adequate and timely investment. Some 64 mb/d of additional gross capacity — the equivalent of almost six times that of Saudi Arabia today — needs to be brought on stream between 2007 and 2030. Some 30 mb/d of new capacity is needed by 2015. There remains a real risk that under-investment will cause an oil-supply crunch in that timeframe. The current wave of upstream investment looks set to boost net oil-production capacity in the next two to three years, pushing up spare capacity modestly. However, capacity additions from current projects tail off after 2010. This largely reflects the upstream development cycle: many new projects will undoubtedly be sanctioned in the near term as oil companies complete existing projects and move on to new ones. But the gap now evident between what is currently being built and what will be needed to keep pace with demand is set to widen sharply after 2010. Around 7 mb/d of additional capacity (over and above that from all current projects) needs to be brought on stream by 2015, most of which will need to be sanctioned within the next two years, to avoid a fall in spare capacity towards the middle of the next decade.

IEA Word Energy Outlook 2008 Press Release
http://www.iea.org/Textbase/press/pressdetail.asp?PRESS_REL_ID=275
The prospect of accelerating declines in production at individual oilfields is adding to these uncertainties. The findings of an unprecedented field-by-field analysis of the historical production trends of 800 oilfields indicate that decline rates are likely to rise significantly in the long term, from an average of 6.7% today to 8.6% in 2030. "Despite all the attention that is given to demand growth, decline rates are actually a far more important determinant of investment needs. Even if oil demand was to remain flat to 2030, 45 mb/d of gross capacity - roughly four times the current capacity of Saudi Arabia - would need to be built by 2030 just to offset the effect of oilfield decline", Mr. Tanaka added


As I read that IEA 2008 report, using a little math, the oil industry needs to put online a new Saudi Arabia every 3.8 years to meet the 6 Saudi Arabia between 2007 to 2030. We need one every 5 years just to keep global oil production from going into decline - that is, to put online the 4 new Saudi Arabias by 2030.

Does anyone in their right mind believe those Saudi Arabias will be put online?

The alternative energy zealots believe we'll do it with bios, or wind, or solar, or whatever. I think these alt energy zealots are insane. And there's enough of them to influence government policy then there are transsexual preppers.

I'll get off my soap box, now.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on August 29, 2011, 11:13:11 AM
Awww, come on Doug, what about all that "easy" energy tied up in those Canadian oil sands.
clicky for youtube on the truth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkwoRivP17A&feature=mh_lolz&list=LLYjPhmz8mAONC_X2pBXbUGw)

Everybody wants easy.  Nobody wants the truth.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: marauder on August 29, 2011, 11:16:36 AM
Spot on Professor, spot on. +1

The thing is, somebody will eventually get it right. It's becoming too main stream not to. I'm sitting in Northern NJ and heard my Governor and the Mayor of New York City use the words "go bag" and "72 hour kit" about 150 times each between Thursday night and Saturday morning. Now, we can argue about the quality of advice the media gave as to the contents of the bag, but at least they put the thought into people's minds. And in my travels around prior to the storm, lots of people were taking the storm seriously and realized that the gubermint is not the best source of meeting your comfort needs. That said, the front page of my local paper chronicled dozens of stories of families that didn't evac that needed full fledge rescuing by the local first responders...alas, lots of work yet to be done...but as ll of us realize, preparedness is a mindset and a lifestyle, not a box of Mountain House and a shiny new generator...
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Doug on August 29, 2011, 08:10:36 PM
Awww, come on Doug, what about all that "easy" energy tied up in those Canadian oil sands.
clicky for youtube on the truth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkwoRivP17A&feature=mh_lolz&list=LLYjPhmz8mAONC_X2pBXbUGw)

Everybody wants easy.  Nobody wants the truth.

yep. But even with pollution aside the tar sands will not meet the demand nor will it offset global declines.

The Economist
http://www.economist.com/node/17959688
"Despite rapid development in the past decade, the sands produce only 1.5m b/d, less than 2% of global supply. However, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP), an industry group, expects output to be nearly 3.5m b/d by 2025"

So how could 3.5 million b/d offset the expected decline of 3-4 Saudi Arabias? Somebody might be saying, "But what about the 100's of billions of barrels of oil in the Bakken Shale?" Most of that is locked up in the tight shale. The USGS expects the Bakken to give up 3-4 billion total barrels over its lifetime (http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911). There's an industry estimated of 8 billion. Harold Ham (Continental Resources) says 24 billion. I don't know where Harold gets his figure from....but the US's current annual consumption is 7 billion barrels per year. So taking the very best guess means the Bakken would supply US consumption for less than 4 years.

I wonder how many posters on this board are also peak oilers? I'm kind of surprised there isn't category for peak oil discussions
 
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on August 29, 2011, 08:53:53 PM
I agree that supply is getting to the point where if the world had continued on the 2000-2008 demand curve, we'd be looking at $200/barrel oil already.  The recession has done us one favor; by slowing global demand, it's buying those of us who know about it more time to prepare and make lifestyle changes.

I came here (TSP) via LATOC.  Frankly, I left LATOC because it's a depressing site to hang around for very long.  TSP is much more pro-active in building self-sufficiency and focused on building a better, more sustainable lifestyle.  I prefer the optimism here, but keep the Peaker mindset that time is not unlimited and we all have to remain focused on the direction we're going.

Regarding the show, I'm watching it right now (on DVR) and about to turn it off.  I think the first 35-40 minutes are great and educational, but I can already tell from the previews, it's about time to change the channel.  I think the show is poorly done on a network that is becoming notorious for focusing on entertainment from the mentally ill (TLC Channel).  It's obvious there's some very knowledgeable folks I have a lot to learn from on the show and I'm really enjoying the perspective of other preppers on the show who have taken things to the next level, but the production is low end.  There's no attempt to place things in perspective or context, there's no discussion, just the monologue of the preppers.  Frankly, there's no illusion of curiosity by the producers, it's just voyeurism into the lives of others.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Doug on August 29, 2011, 09:40:29 PM
Here's what I've told people I know personally about prepping, Endurance: If they think I'm a crank then they must also believe that the Pentagon's Brass is also a bunch of cranks since I'm of the same opinion/belief as their Joint Forces Command's JOE Report 2010....and then quote them that report. That report is reason enough to prep.

They have no comeback to that comment.

Dennis, if you are ever on another one of these show use that same comment, quote the JOE Report, and see if it gets edited out of the show.

I'm going to quote it again because I forgot to put the EIA link for how much oil the US consumes each day (19 million barrels ) and that 9+Million is consumed as gasoline

Pentagon
United States Joint Forces Command:
U.S. JOINT OPERATING ENVIRONMENT REPORT 2010
http://www.fas.org/man/eprint/joe2010.pdf
“A severe energy crunch is inevitable without a massive expansion of production and refining capacity. While it is difficult to predict precisely what economic, political, and strategic effects such a shortfall might produce, it surely would reduce the prospects for growth in both the developing and developed worlds. Such an economic slowdown would exacerbate other unresolved tensions, push fragile and failing states further down the path toward collapse, and perhaps have serious economic impact on both China and India. At best, it would lead to periods of harsh economic adjustment. To what extent conservation measures, investments in alternative energy production, and efforts to expand petroleum production from tar sands and shale would mitigate such a period of adjustment is difficult to predict. One should not forget that the Great Depression spawned a number of totalitarian regimes that sought economic prosperity for their nations by ruthless conquest...By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million barrels per day...The implications for future conflict are ominous, if energy supplies cannot keep up with demand and should states see the need to militarily secure dwindling energy resources.”

To put that 10 million shortfall into perspective, The US Department of Energy's Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that out of approximately 19+ million barrels of oil the US consumes each day over 9 million barrels of oil is consumed as gasoline. IOW a shortfall of 10 million barrels world wide by 2015 would be the same as having every interstate highway to every Podunk road accross all 50 states vacant of gasoline powered autos. See column on the right: http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=oil_use


I wonder if the producers are reading this thread?
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on August 30, 2011, 06:13:47 AM
I wonder if the producers are reading this thread?
I doubt it.  The last I saw Discovery do a show on oil, it was what would happen if we suddenly one day just ran out.  Completely unrealistic scenario.  An adult handling of the topic is rare if not impossible.  It seems producers want to do a one hour program that neatly packages up the problem and the solution in one neat little package, even if that solution is unrealistic or the solution is to do nothing because the problem is too overwhelming.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: BadgerAngel on August 30, 2011, 08:01:19 AM
So...why aren't we making one ourselves then?  I'm serious.
Forget Discovery and TLC.  Think more about Public Television.  The POV series, for example.  Those are privately made documentaries (yes, probably with grant money) that PBS puts on.
Start out with a documentary about prepping, linking it back to the way our forebears lived, show it coming full circle back to our generation.  The people who are learning how to can, and how to garden, and how to preserve food.  Avoid talking about TEOTWAKI, just talk about the everyday SHTF scenarios, linking it back to what Jack says -- that you're more likely to have a personal SHTF scenario than a mass one, that if you lose your job, or your spouse dies, these are good things to be able to fall back on until you get your feet back under you.

It's a thought, anyway.  No, we may not have big time equipment, but people make low-budget movies every single day.  Look at the first Paranormal Activity.  It cost $15,000 to make.  Take into consideration that most preppers would probably consent to be interviewed for free; that one can do video conferencing to get different preppers from opposite sides of the country, so in-person interviews are really not necessary; and nobody has to give their location that way if they're really worried about that. 

And now taking my nose back out of your conversation. ;)
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: The Professor on August 30, 2011, 09:38:41 AM
The problem is NOT with making one, it's with getting it seen on the level of Doomsday Preppers or even Living for the Apocalypse.  It's worse than getting a book published.

Basically, the idea is this: the channels show what they feel they can make money at.  If it's not sensational or "edgy," then they feel that no one will buy advertising on it.  Advertising generates cash and money makes the world go around.

Thinking of the opposite side, there's always making an independent movie, etc.  However, once again, the idea is to have people see it.

Currently, you could probably do an internet series on it, promote it through various websites and blogs, such as this. You may garner some interest. But, I'd suspect, it'd be from those already interested.

Making a movie or show like that costs money.  Unless you know of some eccentric, stupidly rich preppers out there with the desire to make such a show, I don't think it's going to pass the cost vs. benefits litmus test.

I think something like it will eventually happen, but it will be on a news channel as either a special or an educational endeavour.  If we could, for example, talk Fox News into it, then I think it would reach a lot of people.  BUT, you're giving over control of the presentation to FOX.  God knows who they'll pick to run with it (Can't you see Jerry Rivers. . .er, um, I mean Geraldo Rivera, doing an "expose" on prepping?).

There will come a time. . .

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on August 30, 2011, 09:59:01 AM
There will come a time. . .
When that time comes, there won't need to be a show on it on TV.  It would have to be called "this is how we live today". ::)
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Doug on August 30, 2011, 10:00:18 AM
The Discovery Channel has think tank to do a legit program on peak oil http://dsc.discovery.com/earth/slideshows/peak-oil.html


The History Channel did a show about peak oil a few years back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6g7-z6zsLA

BBC version (full show):
Part 1 of 6
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSQ0KtnaMVc&feature=related
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Oil Lady on August 30, 2011, 10:04:19 AM
When that time comes, there won't need to be a show on it on TV.  It would have to be called "this is how we live today". ::)

Reality television without the television. ;) 



Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Doug on August 30, 2011, 10:11:06 AM
The whole point of a show is to knock people out of their "normalcy bias." That is a damn difficult thing to do...especially when you are also dealing with the 10-80-10 theory of survival psychology. 10% have a survival personality, 80% are like deer caught in the headlights looking to be lead, and the other 10% are the ones to be avoided at all cost since they're are the ones in constant denial about any problem. This 10% is the type who sit at the bar on the Titanic because they just knew the ship was unsinkable. Read The Survivors Club. Sherman talks about the 10-80-10 theory in the book.

modify: How many people just know that America is such an economic powerhouse that it, too, is unsinkable?

On normalcy bias, I just posted a show that aired on the History Channel. How many people did that wake up? The people I quote the JOE Report 2010 to know damn good and well they have no comeback to my quoting that report. They still don't overcome their bias to believing everything is normal.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Doug on August 30, 2011, 10:18:37 AM
And btw note that this program first mentions a terror attack on the Saudi's biggest terminal and the affect it have on the global economy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6g7-z6zsLA

Well, according to the IEA's World Energy Outlook 2008 the global oil industry must put online the equivalent production equal to a Saudi Arabian production capacity every 5 years JUST to offset global decline rates.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Oil Lady on August 30, 2011, 10:19:48 AM

I wonder if the producers are reading this thread?

The best way to get any Hollywood  producer to read this thread is to stick that producer's name directly into this thread so that his name shows up in any Google searches he might launch on his own name. And just how often do Hollywood producers do Google searches on their own name? Well, here's what Oscar Wilde once said: "There's only one thing worse than being talked about, and that's NOT being talked about."


His name is Alan Madison, video producer and documentarian extraordinaire!

Here's what he had to say about his initial reaction to doing a show about preppers:

At first I was leery about doing the show Doomsday Preppers for National Geographic, about people who were preparing to survive the end of the world, because:

a) I did not particularly believe that the world was coming to an end anytime soon.

b) If it did, I was not sure that I particularly wanted to belong to the "I survived the end of the world" club.

And finally,

c) There couldn't be enough people to do a whole show, let alone a series, on who thought the world was coming to an end and if it did, wanted to survive.

In the hopes of a fun story I suppressed these doubts and jumped in. After some cursory research on the web and a few phone calls I found that "prepping" was not a small sect but a growing movement, with organizations in most every state, dedicated to helping and advising people on how to get ready for the end of the world as we know it (TEOTWAWKI as those in the prepping community call it).

How can so many people be so obsessed with something that is not going to happen?


Read more: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/doomsday-preppers-6202/Overview#tab-blog#ixzz1WXAzCsWj


Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on August 30, 2011, 10:26:58 AM
Doug, some links I hadn't seen before.  Thanks.  I also saw this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Vb0Iu-4co) in the related links.  I couldn't believe it was a pre-2008 crash CNN report on peak oil preppers.  Only a 2:18 piece, but never the less, I think it's the kind of bit that starts to plant the seed.  No, they didn't do enough, but it's the type of reporting that starts a conversation.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Doug on August 30, 2011, 10:37:08 AM
The best way to get any Hollywood  producer to read this thread is to stick that producer's name directly into this thread so that his name shows up in any Google searches he might launch on his own name. And just how often do Hollywood producers do Google searches on their own name? Well, here's what Oscar Wilde once said: "There's only one thing worse than being talked about, and that's NOT being talked about."


Let's just see: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2011106/fullcredits
Livin' for the Apocalypse


Produced by
Jason A. Carbone   ....    executive producer
Angela LaManna   ....    associate producer
Nick Lee   ....    co-executive producer
Eric Rodriguez   ....    post producer
 
Production Management
Meredith Marshall   ....    executive in charge of production
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Oil Lady on August 30, 2011, 10:37:43 AM
Doug, some links I hadn't seen before.  Thanks.  I also saw this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Vb0Iu-4co) in the related links.  I couldn't believe it was a pre-2008 crash CNN report on peak oil preppers.  Only a 2:18 piece, but never the less, I think it's the kind of bit that starts to plant the seed.  No, they didn't do enough, but it's the type of reporting that starts a conversation.

Half the battle of getting the conversation going is that a lot of people don't even know e vocabulary needed to have a meaningful discussion about it. 

What little vocabulary they do have tends toward the kind of sound bytes that paint preppers as looney-tunes. Terms like "doomsday shelter" and even the word "survival" can be real turn-offs, raising yellow flags and flashing red lights in people's minds, making them back away slowly with one eye on the nearest exit.

So I think terms like "disaster preparedness" are far less threatening to a lot of mainstream people when you want to explain why you have a bug-out-bag in your car. Even explaining that you took a course on "household emergency management" as opposed to a course in "wilderness survival" can be the difference between someone writing you off as totally nuts vs. wanting to hear more about what you have to say.




Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: marauder on August 30, 2011, 10:40:55 AM
The *problem* though, as I see it--living in the heart of what should be considered normalcy bias HQ--is that when the chips are really down, the sheeple in this area have a reputation of stepping up. 

NYC blackout? No violence. No looting. no rioting in the streets. No starvation. People went about their business and were as kind as can be to each other.

9/11?  This area of the world--I am under 10 miles from NYC in Northern NJ--cooperated on levels I've never seen in my lifetime. The people of NYC evacuated calmly. They figured out how to get home. They pitched in. They volunteered. They did everything we would expect them NOT to do.

This past weekend? Sure, there were lines and the sheeple were out buying milk and bread, but by and large, people listened and prepared for a big weather event. Needless rescues have taken place, but at levels well below what we are used to in this area.

The only way you are going to attract large numbers of people into a preparedness lifestyle is to have them adversely affected by one of the events that we routinely talk about. The guy who lost his $50k finished basement this weekend is probably on the phone with a plumber and an electrician this morning discussing sump pumps, battery back-ups, generators and other preparedness contingency plans. The family who is stuck in their house in NYS and eating Corn Pops and luke warm water, is probably discussing putting some food back once this over. My neighbor, who didn't get water, didn't lose power and didn't have a tree hit house, is calling this the most overhyped weather event of his lifetime. No *conversation* about normalcy bias is going to reach him...
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Oil Lady on August 30, 2011, 10:48:17 AM
Let's just see: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2011106/fullcredits
Livin' for the Apocalypse


Produced by
Jason A. Carbone   ....    executive producer
Angela LaManna   ....    associate producer
Nick Lee   ....    co-executive producer
Eric Rodriguez   ....    post producer
 
Production Management
Meredith Marshall   ....    executive in charge of production


That's a start, Doug. ;)

But what you REALLY want to do in order to get those dude to GO AHEAD AND CLICK into this message forum (and not merely do covert smart-link scans of the search results on their Bing page) is to TALK ABOUT THE PERSON! ;)

Such as ...

Meredith Marshall. I wonder if she's related to Penny Marshall or Gary Marshall? Penny and Gary are both exceptional delegators, able to handle production crews of 60 people or more, and even have a few unit directors answer to them all at the same time. So if Meredith Marshall is the executive in charge of production on this one video project, that is a really tough job that requires exceptional organization skill. I'd be willing to bet that Meredith Marshall has got the same blood flowing through her veins and has the same superior organizational skills in her genes.  Even if it turns out she isn't related to them, surely she didn't get that job without just plain having the skills needed for it. While it;s true that there are SOME jobs in Hollywood that get handed out to the wrong people for the wrong reasons, THAT job is not the kind you hand out to just anyone. That job is way too crucial and the wrong person in that job can sink the whole project. So Meredith Marshall is surely a person of exceptional talent.

*Oil Lady grabs a tissue and wipes her nose off*

Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Oil Lady on August 30, 2011, 11:19:05 AM
Okay, NOW is the part when I say something not so nice about one of the producers. Alan Madison had the following to say about Dennis McClung:

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/doomsday-preppers-6202/Overview#tab-blog#ixzz1WXI4MAzD

Quote
The McClung family is a microcosm of the show as a whole. They were a great family who lived in a suburb of Phoenix. They were typical by actuarial standards — two kids, a dog, a well-kept house… and then not so typical by any standard with 1,000 tilapia fish in the deep end of their swimming pool, eight chickens in their backyard, two pygmy goats, and a video version Mayan calendar on their flat-screen TV that counted down the seconds til the end of the world.

Dennis and Danielle McClung believe there will be a coronal mass ejection (CME), which means massive sunspots are going to come off the sun's surface and hit earth, in 2012. This would fry the world's electrical grid and send us back to the stone age.

To protect themselves from this impending disaster they had transformed their 500-square-foot backyard swimming pool into a green-to-the-extreme, completely energy efficient, self-sustaining food machine. It was pure genius, with chickens, tilapia and a variety of produce being organically raised in the limited space. What's wrong with this environmentally perfect picture?

The problem for me was that each time I asked Dennis why he did this, he replied matter-of-factly, "To prepare my family for a coronal mass ejection in 2012."

Oh.

I left the McClung's entirely impressed with their ingenuity and dedication, charmed by their children, wanting a pygmy goat for my apartment, but still extremely skeptical of their motivations.

The McClungs to me are indicative of both the positives and negatives of each of the four people we profiled. They were inventive, ingenious and dedicated — all traits I highly value. But ultimately, obsessed with preparing for the end of days.



After everything that I have read that the REAL Dennis McClung posted here in this thread, the only conclusion I can draw is that Alan Madison is at best a person who only sees what he wants to see, or at worst is a straight up liar. Alan Madison has grossly misrepresented Dennis McClung with utterly untrue bullshit. And either Alan Madison is bone-headed enough to believe this bullshit about the real Dennis McClung, or he diabolically doesn't believe it because he knows it's untrue but lacks the ethics to care that it's untrue. Either way, Alan Madison is full of bullshit as far as what he wrote here about Dennis McClung.

I have worked on video projects in the past, and I know the kind of bullshit that Dennis McClung was put through by this National Geographic production crew. He was TOLD by the producers to hype up the 2012 thing. INSTRUCTED by the producers to only speak on camera of 2012 and nothing else. COACHED by the producers to make it look like 2012 is his only focus, when the real truth is Dennis McClung has little concern about the whole Mayan calendar thing at all. 

And then Alan Madison has the frigging nerve to IMPLY that any mention of the whole Mayan 2012 thing came entirely from Dennis McClung, conveniently leaving out the FACT that it was the National Geographic crew who COACHED the McClung family into only giving answers that keep steering all maters back toward the Mayan 2012 thing.  Nowhere does Alan Madison come clean by either including the fact that the McClungs are preppers for other reasons that fall well outside of the 2012 Mayan calendar countdown, nor by admitting that the alleged answer McClung gave him "each time" he was asked was in fact an answer that Dennis McClung was coached by Alan MAdison's crew into giving. His treatment of Dennis McClung in this posting of his is utterly disingenuous, and I wish National Geographic would get a look at his lack of scruples and refuse to contract him in the future. 



 

Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Doug on August 30, 2011, 11:59:12 AM
What I noticed in the show about Survival Doc was that while they featured him planning for a financial collapse there was never any questioning him as to why he believed the the dollar would collapse.

I wished they'd feature someone like Chris Martenson in one of these shows.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on August 30, 2011, 01:14:48 PM
I wished they'd feature someone like Chris Martenson in one of these shows.
+1 
Add in Martenson, Kunstler, John Mauldin, Ret. Gen. Honore, Spirko... you could actually have a great panel discussion about the threats and solutions in a two hour episode referring folks to various forums and websites for additional information.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: JGreene on August 30, 2011, 05:50:53 PM
The wife and I watched it last night on the DVR... typical crap.  Its a shame, there was some good stuff in there. 

We do many of the same things, for different reasons... thank you Jack!   LOL
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: TheSurvivalMom on August 30, 2011, 08:55:32 PM
I'm a little late to the party here but wanted to put in my own two cents.  Oil Lady, you are pretty spot on about how the filming of reality TV works.  In our own case, they edited out a really, really important part of the first sentence you hear me say, "I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW SOME PEOPLE MIGHT FEEL...we have no other purpose in life other than preparing for some Armageddon."  Yep, they cut off the first part of the sentence, leaving me sounding and looking like some deranged, obsessed woman.  Ridiculous, and the people who know me and read my blog immediately noticed something was wrong.

On my blog and in my writing I check and double-check my facts and give credit where it's due, so being purposely misquoted is something I'm not going to forgive.

I enjoy teaching preparedness and writing about it and am used to be being interviewed, but I wasn't fully aware of the difference between an interview, which generally tend to be factual, and reality TV. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: TheSurvivalMom on August 30, 2011, 09:05:08 PM


Rather than show all the trannie, white-trash bullsh**, I wish they'd have shown the _real_ struggles of a couple of preppers who actually have overcome some adversity.  No, their preps weren't perfect, but dammit. . .they were trying (not hard enough, IMHO, but trying, nonetheless). 

The Professor


Here's a little bit of background on that TLC show.  Like many others, they contacted me and sent me a long list of questions and a little video recorder.  Their instructions told me to make a big deal out of my preps, brag, and show it off.  Well, that's not me and I'm not into BS.

So, I answered their questions, showed a bit of my pantry, the solar oven, that sort of thing and sent it off.  I had just finished the NatGeo filming and did NOT want to do TV again, so I'd have to say my video was probably less than inspiring!   ;D

I referred them to a friend who is very creative, has a large medicinal herb garden, hubby is a doctor and they have done a lot of prepping.  Turns out, they weren't radical enough either.  Enter the transvestite.  I mean, really.  How hard do you have to look to find a transgendered prepper???  Sheesh.

Clearly, they do NOT want typical families in these shows unless they can edit them to make them look obsessive and unhinged.  My advice to anyone who is thinking about being a part of one of these shows is, be very aware that you have NO control over how your words, family, etc. will be portrayed.  If that's okay with you, then go for it.

Lisa
TheSurvivalMom.com

Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on August 30, 2011, 09:34:11 PM
Lisa.. are you the AZ mom on the Doomsday Prepper show then?

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: LvsChant on August 30, 2011, 10:10:52 PM
Glad to have you here, Lisa... thanks for sharing your experiences with us. If you get a chance, stop by the intro thread here: http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=89.0
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Doug on August 30, 2011, 10:14:49 PM
Quote
Clearly, they do NOT want typical families in these shows unless they can edit them to make them look obsessive and unhinged.  My advice to anyone who is thinking about being a part of one of these shows is, be very aware that you have NO control over how your words, family, etc. will be portrayed.  If that's okay with you, then go for it.

If it were me I'd make them sign a contract stating I have not only final control over the editing of my content but a preview of the show before I let myself be put out there. Why? Because you could have someone like a Chris Martenson on one of these shows who being totally rational about his reasons and the producers put up a couple like the last two (the transvestite) which would link the rational interview to the crank. Guilt by association.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: TheSurvivalMom on August 30, 2011, 10:39:04 PM
Doug, you're exactly right.  Marginalize the messenger and you do the same to their message. 

Cedar, yes, that's me. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Doug on August 30, 2011, 11:02:09 PM
TheSurvivalMom, if you would go back up the tread for the past two days and read what I posted on peak oil. I suspect you'll be asked to be on another one of these shows. If you agree with me and others posting here about peak oil then tell the producers that if they believe you are a crank for prepping then they must also believe that the US Pentagon's Brass is also full of cranks.

Hell, even James Schlesinger is a peak oil prepper himself.
 http://www.businessinsider.com/james-schlesinger-peak-oil-2010-11
He was on a show where he has put solar panels on his home



Do You See the Ghost of Christmas Future? Dr. Kathy McMahon on "Peak Oil Blues"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY-1eGaACE0&feature=related
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Oil Lady on August 31, 2011, 09:27:11 AM
Clearly, they do NOT want typical families in these shows unless they can edit them to make them look obsessive and unhinged. 

Absolutely. The secret to good writing and good cinema is TONE!! Getting the correct tone in either a novel or in a video production is almost the same general idea as when an athlete says "it's all in the wrist." Part of crafting tone is getting your subjects to say the right words in the right way. And if you can't get them to do it, the you get them to engage in a physical activity on camera where you can make them look a certain way.

My advice to anyone approached by a reality TV producer.

1) Get a look at their past productions of reality TV. See if they made their subjects look a certain way. Try and get a sense as to whether their treatment was fair.

2) Contact past subjects. Ask them: "Do you feel you were treated fairly? Did they misrepresent you with slick editing and other tricks?"

3) Don't engage in too much physical activity on camera --don't dance! If you dance, they will make you look like a complete buffoon. One thing they do is focus on your jiggling flab as you dance, sometimes even employing slow motion on your jiggling flab. Another thing they do is edit the sound later on to have your dancing set to comical music of the sort meant to satirize you.

4) If you have a huge bookshelf full of books, merely gesture to the book shelf and allow them to video the shelves of books. Do NOT take the books down from the shelves. Do NOT pile them up on a table for them like a Jenga tower. The books are fine as they are on the shelves.   

5) DO NOT!! ABSOLUTELY DO NOT allow them to put words into your mouth. Such as, I have a friend who was interviewed for UFO phenomenon. They sat him down to do a standard talking-head interview (that's when you merely sit there before the camera, and only your head and shoulders are showing in the frame, and you just talk to the camera, or else talk to the off-camera interviewer --it's called "talking-head" because if you were to turn off the sound, all you would see is a human head endlessly talking).  The producer explained to my friend that whenever he asked my friend a question he needed my friend to repeat the exact same question right back to him again before giving the answer. So my friend foolishly complied. One of the questions was something like "Is it possible that aliens are living in our midst right now?" So that became one of the sound bytes attributed to my friend in the production. He was furious. So if they ever ask you to recite words that are not your own, or repeat words that are not your own --DON'T!

6) Don't put on clothes they ask you to put on, or wear some of your own clothes of the sort you wouldn't normally wear. This is especially true if they learn that maybe you have an old Halloween costume in your closet. They might ask you to put it on, but for the love of God DON'T dress up like a weirdo for them! Keep all of your clothing choices 100% under your control!  I have only one exception to this rule. This exception of mine concerns the interviews conducted during a History Channel special produced a few years ago about the war between Greece and Persia. There was a pretty cool Hollywood film that came out about 4 or 5 years ago called 300, based upon the true story of the Battle of Thermopylae between the 300 Greeks from Sparta, and the entire army of the Persian Empire under Xerxes. One of the very cool things they did with that movie was an unusual choice in the film's art direction to control the color filters of the entire film so that the whole movie was in sepia, accented by deep black, and then the very selective use of red was allowed only for the cloaks of the Spartans.  Nothing else was red -- Even the spurting blood during the battle scenes was just sepia and black. And yet the red cloaks worn by the Spartan soldiers remained red. This was seen as a brilliant choice in cinema-craft, and I agree because as far as I'm concerned it just plain worked. It wasn't gimmicky or distracting at all. It instead gave the film a very unique feel, and I totally dug it. The visual poetry in this movie's use of color and slow-motion was breath taking.

Here are clips from the movie. WARNING! It's rated R for good reason! Lots of violence!
The trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng_7SHhynlk
A cool speech made by Leonidis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI6sARmxEuc
Awesome fight scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8bIEk58LzI

Meanwhile, the advertising/PR execs for that Hollywood film struck a deal with History Channel a solid 6 months before the film opened, and had the History Channel produce a 2-hour documentary special about the actual historical facts surrounding that famous battle. The whole point behind this History Channel deal (and this is actually SOP nowaday for Hollywood's huge tent pole films) was they wanted the 2-hour special to be broadcast during the final 2 weeks prior to when the movie 300 itself opened nationwide in theatres.  I video-taped that one History Channel special, and I found it to be a bang-up piece of history, and I also found it to be an excellent specimen of video interviewing.

Here's a clip from that History Channel special.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj810hUDVUQ

Pay attention to the clothing being worn by every last one of the historians being interviews. ALL of the historians were given special clothes to wear just for the interviews. Everyone is wearing black-on-black with no exceptions. And the backgrounds behind them all are uniformly blood red.  The desire was to keep the color palate of the entire 2-hour special in keeping with the color palate of the film itself -- sepia toned, accented by extra-true black, and then only the color red being allowed to shine through. And so, this right here is the one and only exception I will make as far as the rule of "Don't wear clothes you wouldn't normally wear." The artistic choices as far as color and wardrobe made by the producers of this History Channel documentary special were just brilliant. But be VERY CAREFUL if an interviewer ever asks you to wear anything unusual.

7) Wear a suit if possible! An interview almost always requires a suit. If they tell you NOT to wear a suit, ask why. If they can't give you a good reason, wear your suit, but bring a back-up change of clothes just in case you get there and realize maybe a suit isn't a good idea. I saw a daytime talk show about 10 years ago (it might have been Rikki Lake) where they pitted two "experts" one against the other. Both of them were on stage side by side in two different chairs, each giving their positions. The one guy showed up in a suit. The other guy showed up in an Aloha shirt and khakis. Guess which guy the audience took more seriously?  And I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that the producers tricked the guy in the Aloha shirt by perhaps telling him the day before the show: "Don't wear a suit! You don't want the audience to be put off by you being all stuffy! Wear casual clothes. They'll be able to relate to you better that way." Yeah. Right. I'm sorry, but an in-studio interview ALWAYS demands a suit. Always. However, an interview out in the field (like a farmer being interviewed on his farm out in the barnyard) the interviewer usually shows up in jeans so he can walk around the barnyard with the farmer. So dress the same way he's dressing. But if he shows up wearing a suit and only wants to do a sit-down interview in the farmer's living room and not bother with the barnyard, then the farmer should say "Excuse me, I need to change" and then put on his suit. If they protest, too bad! They can wait 5 minutes while you change your clothes. If they insist that you not change, there's the door, good-bye. Meanwhile, at the other end of the spectrum of clothing, I saw another History Channel special where they interviewed a bunch of truck drivers about their jobs as drivers. One was a female truck driver, and she chose to wear a ladies' business suit with a skirt and heels for the interview. But it was NOT an in-studio interview, it was an interview conducted mostly in her truck as she was driving it, and then they continued to do more video with her at the various truck stops they stopped at along the road. She looked kind of silly wearing a suit while driving her 18-wheeler. While I admire her initiative to look her best and wear a suit, I think she really should have taken the extra step to have her best casual clothes on hand to change into so that she could drive in her normal clothes.   




THE BEST RULE OF THUMB TO GO WITH HERE--

If the interviewer seems genuinely interested in LEARNING from you, then you can probably trust them.

BUT --

If the interviewer has little interest in your knowledge, and is merely superficially polite and is obviously not REALLY interested as you disseminate your pearls of wisdom to him, be careful! And then if he consistently want to script things out, get you to say things that don't at all jive with the reality of your area of expertise, and if his pre-scripted nonsense is more a product of his own mistaken preconceptions about you and about your profession, then keep your guard up. You need to especially pay attention to when concerns arise about "losing the daylight" because he had his poor little heart set upon getting a few shots outside in the daylight (before the sun sets!) of you doing this or doing that or doing whatever. If there ever arises any worries about "losing he daylight" it means he has something scripted out in his head that he wants you to do on camera, and he has his heart set on it --DEAD SET on it. So that right there is a danger-will-robinson cue for you. He's less interested in learning the truth from you and more interested in fleshing out the tone of a script he has somewhere.

As a writer myself, I absolutely DETEST reality television. The initial rise of reality TV happened during one of the WGA writer's strikes back in the late 1980's. During that strike, there were no writers available to write, so the networks were desperate to fill the airwaves with SOMETHING. And since reality TV is generally not scripted (needs no guild-member writers), and is super duper cheap and quick to produce, it was a natural Plan B for them to resort to during the strike. Reality TV came and went in fashion over the next 10 years with a lot of shows resulting in complete flops due to lack of interest. Few reality shows prospered because they just about never managed to hit the right formula. But the appeal among network executives to try and find the perfect formula for a successful reality show was driven by how insanely inexpensive reality TV is to produce. (Quick camera work, lower quality cameras, quick editing, NO guild writer salaries, NO guild actor salaries, NO residuals.) And then, with the success of COPS followed by the success of Survivor, we witnessed the dawn of the first truly successful waves of reality TV. Lots of tinkering and lots of mistakes continued to get made on trying to make a show with lasting appeal. And then the right formulas were finally arrived at: make the show a sort of a contest between multiple contestants, serialize the show so that the audience has to keep coming back for more every week, allow the audience to participate each week via some sort of voting mechanism, come up with any excuse possible for contestants to be dressed in skimpy skin-bearing little nothings for clothes, and any time two or more contestants get into a squabble, record that squabble and milk it for all the drama you can --in fact, when you are choosing the show contestants during pre-production choose the ones who will look good in a bikini and who are likely to squabble a lot. And in the end, it's STILL loads cheaper (by many degrees) to produce reality TV than regular scripted fiction TV.  So reality TV is now a permanent feature of the American TV landscape. And I hate it! It's supposedly not scripted, but sadly it IS scripted. And the 22-year-old kids who write the scripts are NOT paid guild-minimum, and get paid mere pennies, work very long hard hours as writers AND as camera operators AND as editors, and they don't get paid jack-shit for their hard work. The networks are raking in hundreds of millions of dollars on these shows and not one "writer" gets paid a dime for any of it. IT PUTS WRITERS OUT OF WORK! (And puts actors out of work too.)  It's also mostly just intellectually barren fluff and nonsense, the main appeal being shallow drama and and mentally unstable fits of histrionics. Meanwhile, we're raising up an entire generation of young people who watch this outlandish behavior and assume that THIS is the proper way to conduct oneself.  Young people today watch reality TV and somehow think the best way to behave is to be a spoiled little drama queen. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7mwTK564o) I wish reality TV would just go away. But it's here to stay. It's all just manipulative falsehoods, packaged as real life. The "vast wasteland" of TV just got a whole lot vaster.


Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on August 31, 2011, 12:01:41 PM
The more I am reading the stuff in this thread I am glad I was not on the ABC channel for some production they wanted to do years ago for "Wife Swap" or something like that. They wanted me to go to the city and the city person to my farm. I was fearing for my poor milk goat with the city person more anything else LOL. They couldn't use me as they did not realize I was not in the USA at the time until a couple contacts with each other. I think I will just prefer to stay anonymous.

Cedar - who is curious and should look up that old email
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Oil Lady on August 31, 2011, 01:06:47 PM
Another thing about these pre-scripted designs that these reality TV producers are hell-bent upon can be seen in some very sneaky shenanigans of actual news reporters. About 25 years ago, when the economy was totally in the tank, there were a lot of families who had lost there homes (kinda like now but it was a tad different back then --it's never the same every time we have yet another economic downturn). So the members of the press corps began going to inner city homeless shelters to get these compelling human interest stories about decent, every day families who had lost their homes and were now forced to live in public homeless shelters while out looking for work.

As Lisa said, just a few posts ago: "Clearly, they do NOT want typical families in these shows unless they can edit them to make them look obsessive and unhinged." Well, Lisa, sometimes the exact opposite can be true also.

When the press back in the 1980's went to these homeless shelters, what they were REALLY looking for was "normal" families.  They didn't want single moms, or troubled teens, or mental illness, or people with substance abuse problems. They wanted to find wholesome-looking nuclear families with a strong father figure and beautiful children --and blonde hair would've been nice also. Those news reporters would spend weeks going to multiple shelters and search in earnest for a "normal" family to interview. They did eventually find such families, but they did so at the exclusion of literally thousands of other residents in those shelters. 

What they ultimately wanted to do was put a "face" on the plight of the new American homelessness for their evening viewers to behold and relate to. And yet the "face" the journalists desired wasn't a typical one, it was in fact the one-in-ten-thousand face --the rare exception to the more standard face of mental illness, domestic violence, and substance abuse.  But no one wants to turn on the news to see a crack-head or a mentally ill person.  The last thing the press wanted was folks who were "unhinged," because the viewers didn't want to see "unhinged." The viewers wanted to see that wholesome all-American face. And the news gave them what they wanted, even if that face was exasperatingly rare and hard to find.

The various social workers who ran those shelters all across this nation all during the late 1980's and into the 1990's commented later about their frustration over the disingenuous antics of the America press every time a news crew rolled up in front of their shelters. Those social workers did NOT mind that the resulting news piece usually led to a cascade of donations briefly filtering their way. But due to general principles, they detested the frequency and consistency of that exact misrepresentation getting repeated over and over again with such blatant premeditation.







Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Doug on August 31, 2011, 01:14:30 PM
excellent. very informational Oil Lady.
 Talk radio is another one. You have a supposed guest caller -- whose been waiting online for who knows how long -- wanting to make a point that could be very informative to the listens....maybe even paradigm shifting,,,but the host will control the flow of the discussion by interrupting and talking over the caller, to strategically cutting the caller's mic so the host can push his talking points and frame the show's program to his/her script. Finally, the host hangs up on the caller with a "Thank you for calling" and the guest never got to make his/her point.

But if they get a crank caller the host can belittle that caller will be kept on and given every opportunity to make a fool of himself and the host look good.

With talk radio it isn't difficult to hear the manipulation. I was watching Bill O'Reilly  the other night and Bernie Goldberg was complaining to Bill about hosts constantly interrupting the guests in an effort to push the script. He said listeners were sick of it.

Take Hannity, for example, listen to the tone of Hannity's radio program compared to his TV show. On the radio he talks twice as fast and it's very evident he doesn't let callers vary from the show's talking points. I can only take so much of that.

I sure wish the producers of this Livi'n for the Apocalypse show are lurking.  I'd bet they even hate Shawn and other talk radio personalities, too. And if that's true I got news for them... these Apocalypse producers are no different than the Hannities since they are manipulating their own interview and editing agenda to make the preppers look like cranks.

Like I said, why don't they interview a Chris Martenson, a Dr Robert Hirsch, a Chris Skrebowski, or even a Dr James Schlesinger about how oil depletion is going to screw up not only their world-view paradigm but  especially their kids' future?
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on August 31, 2011, 01:32:40 PM
The more I am reading the stuff in this thread I am glad I was not on the ABC channel for some production they wanted to do years ago for "Wife Swap" or something like that. They wanted me to go to the city and the city person to my farm.
I think I actually saw the episode they were offering to you, as I saw one with a guy living a very modest life in a cabin with no electricity and some brassy, entitled NJ broad.  What a nightmare.  She ended up bringing in a generator, lights, the whole 9 yards... a complete and total disruption to the family.  On the otherhand, the kids of the NJ family eventually fell in love with the time they got to spend with their parents playing games and making crafts.  Probably one of the only episodes I watched, but it was an eye opener.

@ Doug:  I had Fire Information Officer training when I was with the Forest Service and the key was to have two or three key points that you were going to get across, regardless of what questions the reporter asked you.  Really an important tool when you're dealing with live TV or radio.  I remember one interview where we were told by our management to quell the importance of using C-130s as a firefighting tool because they may not be available.  I told that to the reporter during the prep and sure enough, that's all they questioned me on.  So I kept going back to the maneuverability of the older WWII era bombers that we were already using. 

If you don't have talking points, don't speak to the media.  Obviously with a TV show with hours of film to edit, you don't have that kind of control, but definitely something to remember on talk radio and live news reports.  Just once I'd love to hear some guy that survived in his car for four days during a severe winter storm explain the importance of having a car kit, keeping a sleeping bag in the car, and not relying on the luck of having a bag of dog food in the trunk. ::)
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on September 01, 2011, 08:21:09 AM
keeping a sleeping bag in the car, and not relying on the luck of having a bag of dog food in the trunk. ::)


*LOL* That reminds me when I used to work with "Doctor P." at the vet clinic many years ago when I did SAR as well, we had huge flooding that year and a huge windstorm which was said to be 90mph here in the valley. When we were teasing about food and stuff, I put my dibs in for the Hill's i/d dog food and said it was all mine.. they could have the 20 other food types. i/d is for digestion issues and is mostly made from rice.. the only one I thought I could choke down  ;)

Cedar
Title: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: hd45hunt on October 14, 2011, 06:31:31 PM
I found this today while going thru facebook.  Not sure if or when it aired, but found it interesting.  At first I found myself cringing waiting for the usual hand selected "kooks" to be used to boost ratings.  I was happily disappointed.  4 different families/parties are analyzed by their "experts" and given a report card.  I did find their "grading" rather lacking, comparatively.  I did find it interesting to see someone else's ideas(much different than just reading about them)and other than the first guy constantly saying the world is going to end in 2012, pretty level headed, imho.  I'll drop the link below.  It's a one hour episode (w/o commercials around 45 minutes).  What do you guys think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaxjfQheNes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaxjfQheNes)
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: Truik on October 14, 2011, 07:24:30 PM
Pretty interesting. Watching it now.

Kind of hokey how they do that thing at the intro with "They look like a normal family, but...they...are...preppers."

<dramatic effect>

Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: ag2 on October 14, 2011, 10:34:02 PM
I thought a couple of them were foolish for providing their real names and general location.  The McClungs believe the grid will go down, but advertised their resources on camera.  Also, their huge aquaponics over their pool is clearly visible from neighbors and probably from google maps.  The National Geographic's expert identified this as a weakness.  I think the McClungs have too much faith in their neighbors.
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: Wingman115 on October 16, 2011, 11:58:46 PM
You can see most of the show on YouTube.
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: Shaunypoo on October 19, 2011, 10:05:11 AM
Caught it last night.  I would like to see someone with a real level head do an hour long show on common prepping.  The editing on these shows are horrible.  And why would anyone want to be on these shows?  I understand that the more people that take the time to prepare means less danger that I am in, but be cool about it and point people to resources like this website.  I think the possible word that could be spread is mitigated by the fact that you may have just opened the possibility to being comprimised. 

And no one is going to see two pallets of food being dropped off at your house in the middle of the night in the suburbs by a semi trailer.
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: slingblade on October 20, 2011, 02:35:19 PM
It didn't seem to be the prepper bash fest that many was saying it was going to be.  I think it might be interesting for the non-prepper but otherwise boring for most of us.
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: Shaunypoo on October 20, 2011, 02:54:49 PM
I guess part of the issue for me is that I feel like while I am taking the time and energy to make an attempt to prepare for what I anticipate may be coming down the road, I don't see anyone around me doing the same.  And when the time comes, I am going to be inundated with people asking for help.  I make little comments here or there to people, but usually they just move on.  I know that I am not keen on letting everyone know what I have, and feel that most preppers are the same way, especially those who don't have a community of people who are like minded.  I watch that show and see these people basically advertising that they have lots of stuff and they live in the suburbs.  How long do you think you can defend a swimming pool full of tilapia when the rest of the neighborhood is starving?
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: Truik on October 20, 2011, 04:48:18 PM
I guess part of the issue for me is that I feel like while I am taking the time and energy to make an attempt to prepare for what I anticipate may be coming down the road, I don't see anyone around me doing the same.

This has prompted me to say...when the conversation around me at work or in other areas of my life allows for it, I tend to venture into hints or suggestions of preparedness. It seems people these days tend to listen a more often...and for a minute or so longer...than they did a couple years ago. People appear more receptive and interested.

While this may be a scary indication of society's perspective, it also give me hope that more people may end up prepping if exposed to it properly...always a good thing.

Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: cheryl1 on October 22, 2011, 11:48:01 AM
I have a question about the guy with the underground bunker. Should the door to the outside open outward or inward?
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: slingblade on October 22, 2011, 01:11:29 PM
In I would think.  Debris against the outside will not block you in.  Also puts the hinges on the inside for additional security.
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: cheryl1 on October 23, 2011, 04:43:10 AM
When I saw that segment and the man said that his hatch would withstand the pressure of a whatever ton truck I just thought "what if someone parks their truck on it and then finds your ventilation shaft?" I would think that a door that opened in would be better for security and escape.
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: The Professor on October 23, 2011, 04:13:50 PM
When I saw that segment and the man said that his hatch would withstand the pressure of a whatever ton truck I just thought "what if someone parks their truck on it and then finds your ventilation shaft?" I would think that a door that opened in would be better for security and escape.

Yeah, pipe the exhaust from the truck down through the ventilation shaft.  He might be able to filter out radioactive particles, but carbon monoxide?

Can we say "negotiate?"

The Professor
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: ag2 on October 24, 2011, 08:14:19 AM
I can only assume that someone who carefully thought out a bug out shelter like this actually has two egress options.  (Personally, I would feel trapped only having one.)  I assume he exercised SOME OPSEC.  But.....then again he took an entire film crew to his place.  Perhaps he has a couple more bug out shelters or cabins elsewhere.
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: TNDadx4 on October 24, 2011, 11:05:07 AM
I watched this on TV with my kids when it was one. All-in-all, it seemed pretty decent. There was not the usually kook/bashing aspect, but they did make it look a bit like it was not "normal" to prep.

OPSEC was lacking on some (3 out of 4) families, if I remember. There is something to be said for bringing in your preps at night, but it's hard to be discrete when there is a semi delivering them  ::)

Optimism/naivete was shown by some who thought that they could just trust that they would be OK in a neighborhood, although I do give them credit for trying to educate their neighbors.

I really liked the one segment with the four(?) families who had the farm together. It really looks like there was a lot of thought that is going into their planning.
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: Isailli on October 24, 2011, 05:44:30 PM
As a prepper you say  yea sure I get what they are doing makes sense. To a sheep you could be seen as a nut. why would any one need a gun the the government will protect you, after all there is no crime right now. and after all this is the USA  bad things cant happen here.
     I think they did some editing for the reasons they prepped I cant believe that they each had only one reason but it looks better then just a job loss. The family with the pool was on another show  this one really painted peppers as a bunch of wackos on that show there reason was not corona mass ejection it was the mayan calender as there reason to prep. 
Title: Re: Anyone seen "Doomsday Prepper" by National Geographic?
Post by: Shaunypoo on October 25, 2011, 06:33:26 AM
Even the whole coronal mass injection has me thinking they are kooks.  Improbable but not impossible.  That being said, I absolutely respect the passion and desire they show in trying to keep their family safe.  I think that is at the heart at what most have for reasons.  I don't want to minimize people who don't prep as not caring for their families at all, but to me this is common sense.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: thorquest on January 20, 2012, 09:41:42 AM
It's good to see my favorite subject-Survival on TV.  Hopefully this will increase traffic to TSP.  I didn't realize it originally came on last June because they've been advertising it again lately, hopefully it's a new episode.  I liked the show overall but the guy in S. Carolina keeps talking about how he no longer has fear-he seems obsessed with it to the point of being afraid of fear it would seem.  I'd be interested to hear what Jack has to say about the show. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on January 20, 2012, 09:52:52 AM
I liked the show overall but the guy in S. Carolina keeps talking about how he no longer has fear-he seems obsessed with it to the point of being afraid of fear it would seem. 

If you are talking about the 3rd family, my friend who was here this past weekend to learn to can watched it with me. He said that almost word for word and instance for instance that they were doing was almost straight out of that book he was telling me about a couple months ago. "Patriots Surviving the Coming Collapse" by James Westley, Rawles

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: hobbs67 on January 20, 2012, 12:46:51 PM
If you are talking about the 3rd family, my friend who was here this past weekend to learn to can watched it with me. He said that almost word for word and instance for instance that they were doing was almost straight out of that book he was telling me about a couple months ago. "Patriots Surviving the Coming Collapse" by James Westley, Rawles

Cedar

I agree that there are similarities, but I don't think they were knocking off Patriots.  Any group retreat focused on farming etc is going to be similar in a lot of ways.  SouthernPrepper and Engineer775 are the two guys involved in that one and they both have youtube channels with a whole lot of interesting videos on them that go well outside what was shown in the show.   
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: jreb357 on January 24, 2012, 03:55:48 PM
This show is coming on again next month. I will be very interested to see how we are portrayed.

jreb357
SurvivalDisasterPlan.com
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on January 24, 2012, 05:19:56 PM
This show is coming on again next month. I will be very interested to see how we are portrayed.


Same show, new episode?

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on January 24, 2012, 05:21:29 PM
Same show, new episode?

So it is... http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/doomsday-preppers/

Cedar
Title: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nelson96 on January 30, 2012, 09:30:49 PM
Anybody heard about the new t.v. series they are running on the National Geographic channel?  It starts on Feb 7th.

Anyone from TSP starring on the show?

Here's some info on it . . . .  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/check-out-national-geographics-new-series-doomsday-preppers/
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Nicodemus on January 30, 2012, 09:34:32 PM
It's actually not so new. The pilot aired last June if I remember correctly. There was a thread about it here in the forums. Dennis McClung from the first episode is a member here, though I haven't seen him post in some time.

Here is the original thread where you can find links to the pilot episode. (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=28325.0)

A later thread that mentions the show. (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=32297.msg366573#msg366573)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: endurance on January 30, 2012, 09:42:42 PM
I met a guy over the weekend who was filmed by NatGeo for Doomsday Preppers within the last few months.  His episode will be one of the later one's of the season.  He had some of the same concerns and observations that Dennis and others have mentioned.  Painted him in a corner regarding his prepping, as if all he cared about was CME.  Also, he was previously a stand up comedian, so they had him do some impersonations.  You know that that's the only bits they'll use, of course, but such is the nature of 'entertainment'. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: MaddoginMass on January 31, 2012, 06:53:19 AM
I have never watched the show, but I have seen the commercials and it makes me cringe every time.  The way the represent preppers in the commercials is not very positive.  Not sure I'll be able to bring myself to watch it.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nelson96 on January 31, 2012, 07:45:20 AM
Being a prepper is like having a friend that is an atheist.  There are just certain things you learn not to talk about because they are going to make fun of you for your beliefs.  But some of us just can't help it.  We all get excited about our accomplishments and want to share what we've learned like a newborn christian.  This makes us our own worst enemy at times. . .  AND you know they will do some creative editing to make us all look even crazier than they THINK we are.

Personally, I don't tell anyone.  I think it's safer that way.  Don't want the looters coming around when things get tough.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Mike Honcho on January 31, 2012, 09:25:09 AM
I've seen the previews and it looks terrible! Of course with the title "Doomsday Preppers" it's geared toward the extreme gong-ho apocalypse types because that's what sells in 2012... Let's face it, I wouldn't look too sexy on film showing off my 550 cord, dryer lint balls and tuna fish packet stash... err well not unless I show it while wearing my ballistic chest rig and gas mask that is  ::)...

-MH
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: MaddoginMass on January 31, 2012, 10:08:28 AM
MH,

It is "reality" TV, so you'll have to wear that ballistic chest rig and gas mask with a Speedo while discussing some interpersonal conflict you are having with someone else in the show......
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: jacaaronc on January 31, 2012, 10:46:07 AM
@maddoginMass

Is that all he's wearing?! All the masses may not be ready to behold the sexiness.  ;)

By the way...

The show is not bad at all. It actually doesnt cast preppers in a negative light. Atleast last season didnt, but who knows next season with a demand for ratings.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Mike Honcho on January 31, 2012, 11:26:31 AM
MH,

It is "reality" TV, so you'll have to wear that ballistic chest rig and gas mask with a Speedo while discussing some interpersonal conflict you are having with someone else in the show......

@maddoginMass

Is that all he's wearing?! All the masses may not be ready to behold the sexiness.  ;)


Lol! I turn 38 in a couple days and have spent most of the last 2 decades sitting at a desk eating ho-ho's out of the snack machine (C'mon, how did Hostess file bankruptcy?)... I have 2 ex-wives so I've got the conflict thing covered...However me in a pair of speedos would block out the sun and most likely signal some sort of apocalyptic event for those on the fringe (i.e. the kool-aide drinking crowd :crazy: ); which in the end could only be bad for ratings...
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: jacaaronc on January 31, 2012, 12:14:45 PM
Haha happy early birthday!
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: cranston on February 02, 2012, 07:17:03 AM
We just saw the commercial for the show.  My first though was "crap, they're going to put preppers in the same light as 'swamp people'".   

Then I noticed that my wife was staring at me...  so I took off my tin foil hat, set aside my freeze dried meal, adjusted my chest rig, turned down my Alex Jones podcast, and got up from my recliner made from ammo cans and said in my best smokey mountain moonshiner accent "Honey?  Is there a problem?" :o ;D

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Nicodemus on February 02, 2012, 07:33:29 AM
And now I'm getting an AdSense advertisement for Doomsday Preppers at the bottom of my page.

Meet your neighbors
Their home is Armageddon Proof
They are Training for the Apocalypse

Yep, they're going to play this straight up. No kook angle here...  :D
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: yoshi on February 02, 2012, 07:54:11 AM
I'm going to watch it. I don't really care how preppers are portrayed. Anyone who thinks a for-profit TV station is going to tone down something like this for accuracy instead of ratings is insane. I'm going to watch it simply to see what other people are up to. It's certainly a better alternative to The Biggest Loser, the Kardashittians, and Season 33403298 of Law & Order.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: jacaaronc on February 02, 2012, 08:22:56 AM
So last season I saw a couple episodes heres the basic premise.

They usually cover 3 people or 3 families. They get sruvival experts to rate how well they are prepared. The couple episodes I saw I agreed with which set of people were the most prepared. They cover things like location, food, energy, skills, firearms and friends/family. As long as they stick to what I have seen, I think it was completely in a positive light. They had a guy who built an ecosystem in his old pool which was self sufficiant, all he did was fish out of it for dinner. Its was REALLY cool.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on February 02, 2012, 08:31:23 AM
After reading the bio's online the crew seems to be shocked how much sense these people make. I set a couple of these to record last night so I can make my own judgement.

Regardless I'm sure some people will be interested enough after watching these shows to research and will stumble upon Jacks show and will get pointed in the right direction. At least that's my hope.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: jacaaronc on February 02, 2012, 08:48:03 AM
Very much agreed, though I am fairly use to being labeled crazy it would be nice if people saw, its just preparation. (unless we are talking about the Zombie Apocalypse, then its an inevitability) :zombie:
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Nicodemus on February 02, 2012, 09:35:03 AM
They had a guy who built an ecosystem in his old pool which was self sufficiant, all he did was fish out of it for dinner. Its was REALLY cool.

That was Dennis McClung. He's a member here on the forum.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: jacaaronc on February 02, 2012, 12:58:58 PM
That was Dennis McClung. He's a member here on the forum.

Really?! LOL that was awesome!
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on February 04, 2012, 09:57:19 PM
I watched the first episode..... I mean no disrespect but there is no way I would be airing all my preparations to the world. There is some good information shared and the producers don't seem to be showing the people in a negative light. So there's that. I'll keep watching for the moment.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Dainty on February 05, 2012, 03:40:18 AM
I watched the first episode..... I mean no disrespect but there is no way I would be airing all my preparations to the world.

Denis MucClung notes in this post (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=28325.msg327180#msg327180) that a significant portion of their preparations were left out for OPSEC.

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 05, 2012, 08:47:05 AM
I watched the first episode..... I mean no disrespect but there is no way I would be airing all my preparations to the world.

Trust me.. they didn't.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on February 05, 2012, 09:09:58 AM
Just from what they showed would make me worried for immediate area safety. I guess going on tv with this subject feels very invasive to me. I even worry about what Jack shows on youtube.

It just seems like you had better be building community because after showing something like this your neighbors at least know. If something does happen I wouldn't want to have to direct my neighbors away at gun point because they weren't prepared and I wasn't prepared for them.

I would feel the same about showing gold because food alone could someday have that value.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 05, 2012, 09:49:17 AM
Well in some ways maybe it will get some people off their bums and they will start to stock up and prepare a bit. Maybe not as hardcore as some of us, but even a weeks worth is much better than nothing. Just 5 seconds ago I just called my brother again and asked if he wanted to go to my fav surplus store to go get their BOB's and such. At 8am he came up with "I have a bunch of stuff I need to do before tomorrow, I got nothing to wear for work, I need to deal with my taxes... ect etc etc." Even after I said he could chuck his laundry into the washer and it would wash it for him when he was gone did not sway him.

I feel a show like "Doomsday Preppers" is better than "Dancing with the Stars", better than "Gene Simon's Family Jewels", that give no educational material at all to someone. There was another 'prepper show', on about the same time period that had the WEIRDOS on it and I wonder if both were not shown to see which got better views from the public. If the other one had got better ratings would it have been the one that made it past the pilot to become the series? The only thing the producers and advertisers care about is the ratings and how many people see the products they are selling between the shows segments.

Then it is not often I get my 'tin foil hat' out, but with the ties the government and Hollywood have together, the more radio blips on different stations about preparenes stuff and billboard all over the place these days on being prepared, is this one more way to get the pubic to comply with getting their 3 days worth of food and supplies? Also if people don't, and something happens, can it be so that no one can sue the government for some event which happened and then the gov't can come back and say "you should have prepared" like we said (even if it was only for the 3 days we recommended even if it was a 2 month situation).

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Dainty on February 05, 2012, 10:10:49 AM
Just from what they showed would make me worried for immediate area safety. I guess going on tv with this subject feels very invasive to me. I even worry about what Jack shows on youtube.

It just seems like you had better be building community because after showing something like this your neighbors at least know. If something does happen I wouldn't want to have to direct my neighbors away at gun point because they weren't prepared and I wasn't prepared for them.

If you head on over to the thread mentioned a little further up, you can read that Denise McClurg addressed that point as well in this post (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=28325.msg327187#msg327187). From what I can tell not only neighbors but also most of the local area was familiar with their preps prior to the airing of the show.

I feel a show like "Doomsday Preppers" is better than "Dancing with the Stars", better than "Gene Simon's Family Jewels", that give no educational material at all to someone.

I'm with ya there...though I'd slip in my opinion that some exposure to ballroom dancing is educational. ;) But "Doomsday Preppers" did come across to me as pretty decent as far as turning some wheels inside people's heads. I've been hoping to catch some of the other episodes.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on February 05, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
If you head on over to the thread mentioned a little further up, you can read that Denise McClurg addressed that point as well in this post (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=28325.msg327187#msg327187). From what I can tell not only neighbors but also most of the local area was familiar with their preps prior to the airing of the show.

In a worst case scenario that still doesn't make it easy if you have fight off people you know or have to fight larger groups of people because of your media coverage. Just saying it could always back fire. It's not like these people are part of a community they voluntarily joined. I'm just saying it's not something I would do.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nelson96 on February 05, 2012, 02:39:36 PM
In a worst case scenario that still doesn't make it easy if you have fight off people you know or have to fight larger groups of people because of your media coverage. Just saying it could always back fire. It's not like these people are part of a community they voluntarily joined. I'm just saying it's not something I would do.

Me either, but I'm sure they're getting paid and good prepping aint cheap.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 05, 2012, 02:40:29 PM
...but I'm sure they're getting paid and good prepping aint cheap.

They didn't.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nelson96 on February 05, 2012, 02:52:50 PM
They didn't.

Then to heck with that. . . .  Why do it?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: spooky-1 on February 05, 2012, 02:55:24 PM
CAn't wait to see how they are portrayed
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on February 05, 2012, 03:07:19 PM
Then to heck with that. . . .  Why do it?

Ditto! I thought they would be getting something out of it.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 05, 2012, 03:10:33 PM
Then to heck with that. . . .  Why do it?

People do things for various reasons. I would do it if I felt it would help others with no gain to me. Three of the 4 families off the pilot own businesses geared for prepping.

Cedar - who has to run check out what "Kitty JoJo.. open your mouth!!!"  means as a child is running after a cat
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nelson96 on February 05, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
People do things for various reasons. I would do it if I felt it would help others with no gain to me. Three of the 4 families off the pilot own businesses geared for prepping.

There is that, good point. . . .  As long as they couldn't figure out where I lived (the general public that is).
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: devildoc on February 07, 2012, 10:03:06 PM
So what did anyone think of the show tonight Doomsday Preppers ?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: soccer grannie on February 07, 2012, 10:13:59 PM
I watched both shows. Thought they didn't show people as nut cases like last yr. Two things that bothered me - 1. nobody had glass jars secured on shelves 2. last family on second show being on tv, showing their preps and announcing they have no defense. I really didn't learn anything new.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: endurance on February 07, 2012, 10:33:33 PM
I only watched the show with the group of 22 near San Antonio, LA earthquake guy and the Houston gal.  I was really impressed as hell with the San Antonio group.  Their preps are amazing, but as grannie pointed out, having most of your food in glass jars on shelves when you're concerned about massive earthquakes... That part doesn't make much sense.  I'd hope they'd box them and put something to hold them on the shelves.

The LA guy had a lot of skills and my guess is he was holding out on the film crew regarding his preps at home based on the last series and what we learned from the member who posted here.

The Houston gal got busted.  I could see by how she moved in her workout she wasn't training four hours a day.  When she tested her bug out plans, it was obvious when she averaged less than 2mph with a 40 pound pack.  Lesson learned, she's got a great head on her shoulders and should come out of this better prepared than before the show.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: soccer grannie on February 07, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
Was the LA guy the one who studied botany & was eating wild edibles? That guy was holding his cards close to his chest.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 07, 2012, 10:43:44 PM
It doesnt show here until the 11th

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: devildoc on February 07, 2012, 11:14:29 PM
Cedar cant watch from work but i believe the wife said it was set to DVR tonight the 7th
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: cranston on February 08, 2012, 05:37:30 AM
Was the LA guy the one who studied botany & was eating wild edibles? That guy was holding his cards close to his chest.

I agree.  He wasn't in a good location to discuss his personal defense strategy on camera.

The Houston girl got a reality check on her personal fitness level- and who wouldn't benefit from that?  The plan for capping her cats made me cringe, but it did highlight the need to have a plan for taking care of your pets, both pre and post SHTF.  Call me crazy, but if you have pets in numbers and type that your best plan is the kill them....maybe you have too many of the wrong kind.

The families with delegated responsibilities and back up plans looked like they stood the best chance- low numbers highlighted the importance of cross training so others can step in if someone becomes incapacitated.

I'll probably tune in next week.
The ham radio guy highlighted the importance of having enough help to implement your plan.  He needed people who could physically maintain and protect his wealth of knowledge and radio.  I did admire his working with what he had though.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: thorquest on February 08, 2012, 07:16:45 AM
I watched the 2nd and 3rd episodes last night and enjoyed it overall but a few things bugged me:
1)  Each family or person featured only seemed to plan for one disaster such as an earthquake or pole shift.  Why not prepare for a wide range of disasters, especially personal ones like loss of a job or a family member illness that as we know are more likely than and end of the world scenario.
2)  Some of the food storage was overkill, I mean spending $100,000?
3)  And lastly my personal pet peeve, the guy in the first video pronounces cache as "cash ay" instead of just cash.  That's a big no no in the IT world and he might be a little light in the loafers(not that there's anything wrong with that jus sayin').  :P
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: NorIDhunter on February 08, 2012, 07:33:44 AM
Watched both shows last night and it bugged me that the whole premise is (imo)
1. Show us your stuff and explain why.  8)
2. let our 'experts" pick apart your plan/preps and make improvement suggestions  :P
3. Feedback on what you did/didn't do in response to the "experts"  :-\
4. Dismiss, downplay & ridicule the whole concept because of the improbability of the scenario ever occurring   >:(  :o

Jmtc, but he only way someone will not get presented as a 'whack job" is if they strictly follow the ready.gov plan(s).

Fwiw, I didn't know about coating eggs w/ mineral oil to make them store longer. We're going to give that a try!  :) 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nelson96 on February 08, 2012, 08:18:36 AM
Watched both shows last night and it bugged me that the whole premise is (imo)
1. Show us your stuff and explain why.  8)
2. let our 'experts" pick apart your plan/preps and make improvement suggestions  :P
3. Feedback on what you did/didn't do in response to the "experts"  :-\
4. Dismiss, downplay & ridicule the whole concept because of the improbability of the scenario ever occurring   >:(  :o

Jmtc, but he only way someone will not get presented as a 'whack job" is if they strictly follow the ready.gov plan(s).

Fwiw, I didn't know about coating eggs w/ mineral oil to make them store longer. We're going to give that a try!  :)

I have to agree with all the above, I felt the same way after watching.  I won't be trying the egg thing though.  9 to 12 months seems like a stretch.

One thing the show did for me is highlight how much the people in the show had dedicated their lives to prepping, and left what appeared to me to be little time for anything else.  Since I have young children I feel obligated to try and make preparations in a way that the kids don't realize what is going on, while making sure I have time and money to give them a childhood they will remember. . . .  I would really hate to not be prepared in the event of TEOTWAWKI, but would also hate for that not to happen and have my own kids calling me a nut job and blaming me for their crappy childhood. . . . .  So I gotta keep working for the 'MAN' so I can afford to do both.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on February 08, 2012, 09:19:37 AM
2. let our 'experts" pick apart your plan/preps and make improvement suggestions  :P

I kept wondering who are the experts? Did I miss something or did they not say?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 08, 2012, 09:23:42 AM
They never say..

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Shaunypoo on February 08, 2012, 09:45:43 AM
1)  Each family or person featured only seemed to plan for one disaster such as an earthquake or pole shift.  Why not prepare for a wide range of disasters, especially personal ones like loss of a job or a family member illness that as we know are more likely than and end of the world scenario.

If one of the scenarios was job loss, then it wouldn't get on TV.  I am sure a few people feel strongly enough about the one big reason they are doing it, but I am sure others are doing a bit of CYA by prepping for a wide variety.  The producers need to play up an angle and say "what is your biggest concern", or "what are some unique items you have"?  If they have nuclear containment suits and train to put them on in 45 seconds, they will try to steer the subjects to mention it as much as possible and play that off as the reason they are prepping.  Job loss is boring, unless it is your job loss.

I will not watch this with my wife because she is not on board with prepping like I am and if she sees the tons of stuff these people have, she will go permanently cross-eyed whenever I mention preps.  She already thinks I am a little crazy but loves the "takes care of my family" mentality.  She is just a little too "but the government will be here to help" so I still need to take things slowly.

I would prefer a show where they take a normal family and teach them how to prep.  Assess what they have now and show them how much trouble they would be in if any SHTF.  Give them job loss all the way to pandemic or financial collapse.  That might be more palatable for the general public.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Mike Honcho on February 08, 2012, 09:51:16 AM
The Texas 22 were fit and prepared.... I was impressed with the wind, solar and methane energy sources along with the ability to grow, raise and produce food... I agree about the glass jars on shelves not making much sense while preparing for massive earthquakes though!

The LA cat was cool and I agree that he probably wasn't showing his entire hand... His knowledge of botany was astounding for a fella who was raised in the city; of course Cali has a large population that practices the botanical sciences so I guess that's not too surprising... ;)

The Houston chick was terrible... At least she's trying, but her entire segment made me cringe (Mexico, really? :rofl:)... She was out of shape and her pack was way too heavy for her... Also during her hike to her BOV she was commenting on how dangerous some of the neighborhoods were, then tried to flip out a knife and said "...But I can protect myself"... After three weeks of rioting and food shortages trying to make the 12 mile run to the BOV with such a purty 40 lb pack would be very dangerous for a trained soldier with a weapon and unlimited ammo; trying to make it in her physical condition with nothing more than a knife and no formal training is suicide (imho)... A year ago I was in her situation, living in an apartment in a densely populated area so I'm not trying to be too harsh as prepping for a stealthy city evacuation is pretty rough, but to be honest she was painful to watch...She is on the right path enlisting in the service; course now in an emergency she'll be bugging out wherever Uncle Sam tells her to go which, depending on the location is likely much better than where she was planning to go (C'mon Mexico, really? :rofl:)...

The HAM radio guy was the most interesting to me... He is obviously sick and needs surgery says he doesn't have the money for it, but has at least one long rifle, a loaded out tactical vest, 4 wheeler, food stores and who knows what else.... I'm not judging anyone (I smoke cigarettes and am no Mr. Olympia), but to me it would seem more beneficial to save for a health related surgery before spending money on preps as without good health you don't have squat; surgery while not as flashy as a tac vest is a prep all in itself (just my .02 cents)...

After watching this show I feel that I'm not a Prepper, but rather an Adapter... I'm not preparing for just one event and my food stores, gear, weapons and mentality reflect that... I feel that I'm prepared to adapt to whatever the situation brings; after all if I want to survive I won't have a choice but to adapt... -MH
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 08, 2012, 09:51:51 AM
Take segments you like from each show and splice them together?

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: thorquest on February 08, 2012, 10:19:45 AM
Maybe the chick in Houston should have gotten a mountain bike instead of trying to walk all that way.  And I'm getting tired of the word "preppers".  It seems like there should be a more rugged sounding term. 



Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: archer on February 08, 2012, 10:24:53 AM
Then to heck with that. . . .  Why do it?
to be on TV? to try to help sheople prepare?

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: cmxterra on February 08, 2012, 10:26:28 AM
They never say..

Cedar

They do say several times.

http://practicalpreppers.com/

Edit to add.. Seems their website is getting hammered. I was on it earlier.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Oldhomestead on February 08, 2012, 10:29:49 AM
Overall I found it pretty entertaining and actually saw a few things that made me think. For instance I hadn't ever thought of waxing bulk store bought cheese myself so it could be stored on the shelf.

I actually know Paul Range (head of the San Antonio group) having taken an aquaponics course from him and he is a pretty knowledgeable guy. Reminded me that I need to see when his next course on power generation is being taught. I too noticed the big glass jars on the top shelf and was thinking those needed to be secured. Also, the shear amount of food they were storing made me wonder about shelf life of everything they were canning themselves.

I've also seen the heavyset guy on youtube slamming Jack for his 5-gallon storage videos. Opinions and A-holes, everyone has them.

I guess when I see someone storing 20 years worth of food it makes me wonder how long they think it would take to get food production systems back in place.

Overall they didn't make folks look too crazy and I'll probably keep watching.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: cmxterra on February 08, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
I just wonder how well that food will store in those container ovens they have.

And that chick from Houston. Wow.. just wow. Her plan of just walking through the streets of Houston after a SHTF, really? That tells me she has little idea of the realities of what might be going on.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: endurance on February 08, 2012, 10:47:45 AM
1)  Each family or person featured only seemed to plan for one disaster such as an earthquake or pole shift.  Why not prepare for a wide range of disasters, especially personal ones like loss of a job or a family member illness that as we know are more likely than and end of the world scenario.
Actually, the guy that had the aquaponics set up in the first episode came onto the forum here after the pilot ran and said that NatGeo's producers basically forced them into a niche as to what they were prepping for.  They were prepping for all kinds of things, but NatGeo didn't want to hear that because it's easier to knock down the straw man.

It's the one big flaw in the show that is definitely irritating as heck.  That said, it's better than watching Charlie Sheen reruns and makes me think about my preps in a different way.  Paul's group was impressive as hell and while I can never imagine being in a group that big, it does make me think about networking more with neighbors to round out strengths and weaknesses.

I'll probably watch the other one tonight.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 08, 2012, 10:52:39 AM
After watching this show I feel that I'm not a Prepper, but rather an Adapter... I'm not preparing for just one event and my food stores, gear, weapons and mentality reflect that... I feel that I'm prepared to adapt to whatever the situation brings; after all if I want to survive I won't have a choice but to adapt... -MH


Maybe this is why I have never called myself a 'prepper', but a 'homesteader'.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Shaunypoo on February 08, 2012, 10:55:32 AM
Overall they didn't make folks look too crazy and I'll probably keep watching.

My thoughts exactly.

I will pick and choose what I like and ridicule what I don't.  ;D
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 08, 2012, 11:07:05 AM
In a way it is like when I watch medieval type movies. A bunch of us SCA people get together and watch the movie of the night and then start picking apart their garb, things such as tools they are using (like a box of borax to get the sparks flying from a blacksmithing scene), picking on what is out of period.... me.. I am notorious for picking out modern livestock breeds in the movie which did not exist yet or in that region. 

The producers pick one aspect of what the preppers are doing that they think will 'sell' to the audience watching.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Alpha Mike on February 08, 2012, 11:27:26 AM
Was the LA guy the one who studied botany & was eating wild edibles? That guy was holding his cards close to his chest.

That LA guy is Christopher Nyerges.  He teaches classes in the LA area about wild foods / plants and general survival (also he is partner of the Dirttime group).  I have met him and attended several of his classes.  Solid guy, low key, philosophical, a bit on the fringe but aren't we all? 

If you are in the greater LA area and want to learn about wild edibles and useful plants, he is the man. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nkawtg on February 08, 2012, 11:39:53 AM
I just wonder how well that food will store in those container ovens they have.

Not only that, how well will those jars fare in his massive earthquake scenario.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: thorquest on February 08, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
I tried to find out the Nielsen ratings for the show last night to see how many people across the country watched but apparently they only count the big boys CBS, NBC, ABC, and FOX. If anyone knows to find out, I'd appreciate it. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: LICountryBoy on February 08, 2012, 12:19:54 PM
That LA guy is Christopher Nyerges.  He teaches classes in the LA area about wild foods / plants and general survival (also he is partner of the Dirttime group).  I have met him and attended several of his classes.  Solid guy, low key, philosophical, a bit on the fringe but aren't we all? 

If you are in the greater LA area and want to learn about wild edibles and useful plants, he is the man.

I believe Jack interviewed him a few hundred shows back.

I set the shows to record but I caught a little bit last night. To me, the girl in Houston was like a train wreck. She repulsed me, yet I could not look away. Her attitude and ignorance on things just turned me off. Her "I'm prepared, you're not" dance was just annoying. Especially when she didn't seem as prepared as she thought she was.

I caught a little of the big group with the bus and a bit of Nyerges.
The whole tone of the show felt like they were trying to show underground fringe freaks.
Being an underground fringe freak I take offense. But seriously. I will probably record every show and scan through most of it.

I want to see the big guy that was on you tube knocking Jack's Bucket project, which I don't believe Jack has finished Hint, hint. In my opinion he makes himself look like an ass in his youtube video, so i am curious.

Someone should do a "rebuttal" show with people like Jack and Steven Harris.

I just have to remember it's aimed at the American public. People who are more concerned about someone giving the middle finger on TV than what's going on in congress.






Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: marauder on February 08, 2012, 12:35:49 PM
As mentioned, the "experts" are Practical Preppers LLC. You might know them as SouthernPrepper1 and Engineer775 from youtube. Between the two of them, they have close to 300 youtube videos. Engineer775's videos are off the charts. He is a really smart guy and has applied his academic engineering training to creating a preparedness consulting business with SouthernPrepper1. SP1 is an Army Vet with combat experience in Iraq (definitely) and Afghanistan (I think).  SP1 often talks more about the battle rattle aspects of prepping. He also does these *scenario* videos where he "role plays" certain situations. I think they are a little hokey, but he explains them as a way to "train your mindset."  Nobody will be mailing him an Oscar anytime soon, if you get my drift. Together though, they are a really good team. A simple search in YouTube will yield their channels.

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on February 08, 2012, 01:14:05 PM
As mentioned, the "experts" are Practical Preppers LLC. You might know them as SouthernPrepper1 and Engineer775 from youtube. Between the two of them, they have close to 300 youtube videos. Engineer775's videos are off the charts. He is a really smart guy and has applied his academic engineering training to creating a preparedness consulting business with SouthernPrepper1. SP1 is an Army Vet with combat experience in Iraq (definitely) and Afghanistan (I think).  SP1 often talks more about the battle rattle aspects of prepping. He also does these *scenario* videos where he "role plays" certain situations. I think they are a little hokey, but he explains them as a way to "train your mindset."  Nobody will be mailing him an Oscar anytime soon, if you get my drift. Together though, they are a really good team. A simple search in YouTube will yield their channels.

Just watched a handful of their videos. Interesting to say the least. They seem to have a  heavy tactical theme which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 08, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
So SouthernPrepper1 was his own "expert" on the pilot? That is him who is the 3rd family on the pilot correct?

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: marauder on February 08, 2012, 01:48:12 PM
So SouthernPrepper1 was his own "expert" on the pilot? That is him who is the 3rd family on the pilot correct?

Cedar

I don't think they were the experts for the pilot. Yes, that was him in the last segment on the pilot.

However, if you watch Engineer775's latest youtube video, he pretty much tells the tale that they are the experts now. After the pilot aired in the summer, SP1 explained how they were contacted the first time around (producers found them from youtube) and how he felt some of the show wasn't fair to the reality (much like the gentleman who posts here occasionally said).
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Nicodemus on February 08, 2012, 03:09:10 PM
I don't have Nat Geo, but Doomsday Preppers is currently showing through the "On Demand" service for my cable company and I was able to watch it.

I wasn't totally disappointed and completely turned off by the show.

I know a lot of casual watchers would probably have a problem with the Texas Family, but I liked them. My only problem with them is that they actually shot at their cargo container house with .22s. First they shot at their own home, second they shot at it with .22s commenting that it was the most common firearm even though they are in Texas and they themselves have heavier caliber weapons. It was just one of those needle across the record moments for me. If they'd shot a container that wasn't their home and made the comment that it would stop something up to a .22 I probably wouldn't have had such a bad reaction to it. otherwise, I think they were great.

I probably liked the young lady the least and to me she came off the worst, but she's a twenty something and I can remember some of the stupid ideas I had at that age. She seemed to have learned the most from the experts. We'll see what the Army does for her.

I thought the Gourmet Prepper was an absolute hoot. I've dubbed her "Paula Dean of the Apocalypse" after her comment on butter. I think a lot of folks outside the prepper community could probably relate to her.

I had no problems with the urban survivalist other than the thought of constantly being on the move. I got the idea they just chose to follow this portion of his prparations due to a few comments he made about building community and such.

Dona Reed or whatever her husband called her ended up bugging me quite a bit in retrospect. They have a great setup, but their firearm issues seemed to be a dangerous hole that they're flat out aware of and blowing off.


They seemed to overhype the issues that the individual preppers had as a reasoning for preparing, but as we heard from Dennis in the other Doomsday Prepper post, the producers really pushed them to do that.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 08, 2012, 03:36:30 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/doomsday-preppers-turn-profits-15527188

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: endurance on February 08, 2012, 03:44:39 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/doomsday-preppers-turn-profits-15527188

Cedar
Very cool.  thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 08, 2012, 03:52:57 PM
ROTFLMAO...

I took their quiz.. answered ONE question.. and got

Correct!
You are on your way to
becoming the perfect prepper!


Wow.. if that is all it took to be a perfect prepper.............

Cedar - who wonders IF there is any such thing
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Rockhill on February 08, 2012, 04:18:55 PM
Those bs episodes are why this community were not on there.  I took the show as an insult, but hey it gets people watching. I laughed the whole time :P
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: ChrisFox on February 08, 2012, 05:18:32 PM
I may have missed it but did the woman from Houston say why she just didn't keep her vehicle parked near her apartment? All I was thinking was that it was going to get jacked sooner or later away from her home. At least if it was close by she could keep an eye on it. Just get in your car and go, no need to walk half way though the city to get to it.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: spooky-1 on February 08, 2012, 05:27:37 PM
 watched them both last night...I hope this series has the entire spectrum of "doomsday preppers". Using the adage "from the mundane to the insane" IMO last night was the insane, I hope it shows the mundane too as the series goes forward.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nelson96 on February 08, 2012, 05:43:06 PM
I would prefer a show where they take a normal family and teach them how to prep.  Assess what they have now and show them how much trouble they would be in if any SHTF.  Give them job loss all the way to pandemic or financial collapse.  That might be more palatable for the general public.

Ditto, but probably wouldn't get the ratings they're hoping for.  Unfortunately their are more people that would love to laugh at these people and make fun of them, than there are to learn from them.

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nelson96 on February 08, 2012, 05:48:21 PM
Overall I found it pretty entertaining and actually saw a few things that made me think. For instance I hadn't ever thought of waxing bulk store bought cheese myself so it could be stored on the shelf.

The cheese thing was great.  I've just been buying in bulk and putting them in my freezer, or buying #10 freeze dried cheese (not much becuase just doesn't sound yummy).

I also like the poop power the TX group made.  He was right, you can smell wood smoke for miles but methane burns clean and oderless.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nelson96 on February 08, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
My thoughts exactly.

I will pick and choose what I like and ridicule what I don't.  ;D

Ridicule?  I guess it's human nature.  I try to put myself in their shoes.  They are very passionate about their opinions as to why they are prepping and have limited resources as to where and how they can prep.  This prepping stuff is tough business, expensive too.  If you throw in the factor that you try to live a normal life (blend in with the sheeple) while prepping, it feels like it's impossible at times.  That urgency feeling you get can cause you to make some big mistakes you can't easily take back.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 08, 2012, 06:29:37 PM
How did you get to see it already nelson?!?!?!?! You don't live that far from me all said.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: FrugalFannie on February 08, 2012, 06:32:53 PM
There are also shows about people preparing for Armageddon based on the Mayan calendar, Christian who believe we are living in the time of Revelations, an episode about what happens for each degree of temperature increase the earth experiences, and the Judgement Day followers. All of these are episodes of 'Doomsday Preppers.'

I'm feeling pretty darn normal compared to some of these.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nelson96 on February 08, 2012, 06:53:46 PM
How did you get to see it already nelson?!?!?!?! You don't live that far from me all said.

We have sattelite (the Dish Network).  Saw it on NatGeo.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: cranston on February 08, 2012, 07:09:33 PM
People do things for various reasons. I would do it if I felt it would help others with no gain to me. Three of the 4 families off the pilot own businesses geared for prepping.

Cedar - who has to run check out what "Kitty JoJo.. open your mouth!!!"  means as a child is running after a cat

I gotta know- what did the cat have in her mouth?  ::)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Cedar on February 08, 2012, 07:16:15 PM
*LOL* the cat was nimbly staying JUST out of Stay Puf't's reach as they were going around and around the dining room table. SP had an apple slice in one hand, and a toy teapot and cup in the other.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: cranston on February 08, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
*LOL* the cat was nimbly staying JUST out of Stay Puf't's reach as they were going around and around the dining room table. SP had an apple slice in one hand, and a toy teapot and cup in the other.

Cedar

That's priceless!  I do enjoy your posts.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: thorquest on February 09, 2012, 07:46:13 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/doomsday-preppers-turn-profits-15527188

Cedar

Thanks Cedar, I'd forgotten about the apocolypse superbowl commercial, that was my fave.  Favorite quote from the vid was "paranoia sells".  Can't wait til the next episode. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: TNDadx4 on February 09, 2012, 08:32:18 AM
I saw the original show and watched both new episodes on NatGeo and although I had my disagreements with how the people were "prepping" (especially, the apartment girl, the urban forager and the New England liberal people), I liked the shows.

They give me an opportunity to see where I might have missed something. They also give me a chance to step back and relax, but also think through situations, put you in a certain mindset, etc.

Yes, it's entertainment, but it may help people see that prepping (or better, being as self-sufficient as possible) is necessary.
__________________
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: Dainty on February 09, 2012, 09:20:04 AM
I looked up Kathy Harrison, and after doing some reading have a better picture of where she's coming from with regard to defense strategy. I haven't managed to watch the show yet so I don't know what was or wasn't brought up, but apparently she has fostered over a hundred kids, many of them difficult cases (violent, traumatized, hoarding food, stealing, etc). She's written a few books, too, on fostering and also on self-sufficient preparedness.

I found an article (http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20140279,00.html) that tells the story of her breaking into a home out of concern for someone, and taking the toddler she discovered weeping over his mom, dead from overdose. It also mentions that her dad was a police officer, and growing up her house frequently sheltered those rejected by their own families.

The impression I get is of someone quite accustomed to interacting with desparate people who relys on disarming them with unexpected kindness and then changing negative behavior through skillful communication of boundaries and terms. If that has worked for them time and time again then I can see how it would translate to applying the same strategy to preparing for SHTF scenarios, since people tend to be more desparate and traumatized than actually intent on harm.

My personal take is that it's wise to do that...and have armed defenses.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: nelson96 on February 09, 2012, 09:34:59 AM
I looked up Kathy Harrison, and after doing some reading have a better picture of where she's coming from with regard to defense strategy. I haven't managed to watch the show yet so I don't know what was or wasn't brought up, but apparently she has fostered over a hundred kids, many of them difficult cases (violent, traumatized, hoarding food, stealing, etc). She's written a few books, too, on fostering and also on self-sufficient preparedness.

I found an article (http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20140279,00.html) that tells the story of her breaking into a home out of concern for someone, and taking the toddler she discovered weeping over his mom, dead from overdose. It also mentions that her dad was a police officer, and growing up her house frequently sheltered those rejected by their own families.

The impression I get is of someone quite accustomed to interacting with desparate people who relys on disarming them with unexpected kindness and then changing negative behavior through skillful communication of boundaries and terms. If that has worked for them time and time again then I can see how it would translate to applying the same strategy to preparing for SHTF scenarios, since people tend to be more desparate and traumatized than actually intent on harm.

My personal take is that it's wise to do that...and have armed defenses.

I like her even more now.
Title: Doomsday Preppers show came up on another board
Post by: Don in Cleveland on February 09, 2012, 09:52:31 AM
I post on a message board that revolves around sports (mostly football) and when football goes out of season, we end up with a lot of topics involving politics, religion, etc.

They started a thread about Doomsday Preppers and this was my response (I hope I represented the community well with this one) - though with this board, they will likely laugh the whole thing off:

These guys exhibited on that show are tinfoil hatters.

The vast majority of the "prepping community" works toward becoming more self-sufficient.  Growing their own food.  Finding ways to generate their own solar and/or wind power.  Having a good amount of savings.

The "disasters" most of the normal prepping community are ready for are things like a power outage due to a big storm and you don't have the grid for a few days or you get laid off and you have trouble finding a job for awhile or something like Katrina happens and having an exit strategy and a bug out bag ready to get out of the area safely and someplace to go.  You know - the ones that are most likely to happen.

The giant comet/meteor colliding with earth or the utter financial collapse of the world economy or WWIII are very low on the probability scale that most preppers are getting ready for.  Very few of them are building giant underground bunkers with and arsenal of weaponry and a 20 year supply of MRE's.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers show came up on another board
Post by: archer on February 09, 2012, 10:00:50 AM
Very good post.... if you get any follow-ups, send them here!
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers show came up on another board
Post by: Don in Cleveland on February 09, 2012, 10:17:16 AM
Got one and he was reasonable:

HIM:   I think the economic collapse thing could very well happen.  but we are so globalized now, i think eventually and pretty quick some new world order (probably the same entity responsible for the collapse) would rear its head and restore order to the sheeple
==========================
ME:   I would agree that it is much more likely than the "doomsday" stuff of world war or alien invasions, but still, there have been big financial catastrophes in the past and never has the world fallen into chaos and anarchy.  Things could get bad with a financial collapse, but I don't see roving bands of outlaws invading towns raping and pillaging ala some Road Warrioresque picture that's painted by the people that always seem to be highlighted on these kinds of shows.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers show came up on another board
Post by: archer on February 09, 2012, 10:55:07 AM
globalized just means that when something happens in one country, it spreads to others. glottalization globalization is potentially an economic virus
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: The Professor on February 09, 2012, 11:07:21 AM
I saw the original show and watched both new episodes on NatGeo and although I had my disagreements with how the people were "prepping" (especially, the apartment girl, the urban forager and the New England liberal people), I liked the shows.

They give me an opportunity to see where I might have missed something. They also give me a chance to step back and relax, but also think through situations, put you in a certain mindset, etc.

Yes, it's entertainment, but it may help people see that prepping (or better, being as self-sufficient as possible) is necessary.
__________________

Well, at least there wasn't a repeat of the 6'4" self-admitted psychotic-drug-dependent transexual.

The liberal prepper was one of my favorites. . .I loved the liberal dude saying he wouldn't have a gun, but would invite anyone into his home, try to convince them to "sharing" and communing. . .and if they didn't, he'd sneak in and "slit their throat" while they were sleeping.  Hmm, so much for kinder and gentler.

Sorry, guys. . .while I do think they've become a bit more subtle in their portrayal of preppers as unbalanced, I think we're looking at this through a different pair of goggles.

We look at the show and hope that they'll portray someone who is preparing as less-than-obvious kooks.  We've been conditioned to expect the worst.  Unfortunately, the average person who watches that show will still think prepping is for kooks, only, unless they've already been thinking about prepping, themselves.

Each and every segment, IMO, had it's twist.  Hell, even my wife, who didn't recognize the proper pronunciation of Christopher Nyerges' last name, thought he was portrayed as a bit off.

After all. . .the obvious question to Christopher is : "If you're seriously prepping, to the point that you're actually practicing finding food in a post-earthquake LA, why stay in Los Angeles if you really think it's going to happen?"

The Apartment-Living, Bar-Hopping web designer came across as particularly "edgy."  That was obviously the first time she'd ever walked her Bug-Out Route, despite the repeated assertions that she "works out 4-hours every day."  More interesting, is her car parked 12 miles away all the time (remember, she said she had a route to her BOV to drive out of the area)?  And damn, doesn't that girl have any other day-clothes than a black muscle shirt and shorts? And putting a bullet in her cat's brainpan to save it from the stress of TEOTWAWKI?  I have a feeling that cat would survive a lot better than she would.  Perhaps she should spend a bit less on alcohol, bar-hopping and the latest club-appropriate-clothing and tighten up that kit of hers.

The group that had their Bug-Out Schoolbus?  Enough said.

The 300-lb Gourmet-Chef of The Apocalypse?

 "When The S*** Hits the Fan, I'm going to be the only survivor who still has 100 lbs to lose!"

Really?  You're going to brag about that?  Sure, you have, what. . .3 years' worth of food for seven people stored in your home? Super, a few people with molotov cocktails tied to ropes so they can throw them from a long way away might be able to make that a moot point.  Does anyone really think that woman can run around her property putting out fires, all while dodging bullets?  And let's not even discuss the very real possibility that she may be forced to throw on a pack and quickly relocate if the fires got too big. How far can she carry even her lightest pack (assuming she has one)?  Or will her husband do that for her?

Hell, what's she going to do if an EMP or CME takes out her car (or an earthquake/natural disaster renders the roads useless) while she's off at the range or out doing another Gourmet Storage Food gala at a friend's house) and she was to hoof it, on foot, back home?  She can say she's putting on all the self-defense classes in the world, but how long would she last if that really awesome arm-bar she shows off doesn't work because the guy's too slippery from sweat?  Does she really think she'd prevail in a physical confrontation that lasts longer than 30 seconds against even an average person who seriously wants to do her harm?

Then, there's the 375-lb. diabetic ex-trucker with knee and back problems "tactically" moving around his back yard with a Surefire mounted on his M1A while wearing a chest-rig and helmet.  There's no way he's going to be able to deal with a group of attackers that decide to use very basic tactics and feint on one side of his property, wait for him to get there and then attack from the opposite side (Murphy's Combat Law # 8: That feint you're ignoring is the enemy's main attack force.").  With his physical ailments, rapid movement is impossible, let alone getting behind cover.

If the power goes out, where's he going to get his insulin?  He complained frequently that he "needs surgery" for his weight problem. 

(As a sidenote and in the spirit of full disclosure. . .I have nothing against fat, overweight or outright obese people.  Hell, I'd be considered one, myself.  But I DO workout 60-90 minutes in a gym lifting some serious weights.  I also do 30-60 minutes of cardio 3x a week, and that doesn't include the martial arts classes I take or teach.  I'm about 6'2" and weigh 255-265 lbs (if I go on a cutting regimen, I can get that down to about 227-235, but that's still pretty big with the amount of muscle I have).  No, I can't keep up with the young men and women with whom I work and who are in excellent physical shape as I generally only run 2-5 miles at a given time.  I also have had a major injury which resulted in a broken back and knee and yet I worked through the pain to get to where I can do this (not for prepping purposes, but for my own health).  No, I'm not bragging, I'm just showing that there are people out here who have similar physical situations that CAN get themselves into decent shape. . .if they put their minds to it).

I thought about the best representation of a lifestyle prepper was the guy in Colorado and they even were able to add in a liberal dose of kookiness about him.

The truth is, people love trainwrecks.  That is why the show exists, in the first place. The producers have no desire to show the average prepper.  For one thing, the average prepper wouldn't go on the show.

The best thing that could be said about all of this is that it's obvious that there are people out there who are preparing for worst-case scenarioes.  And, there are enough of them to have a sizable "fringe" element that not only preps, but wants the attention of others.  To me, this means that there is a large group of regular people that have the sense to prep and NOT go on a show such as this.

Some may complain that I'm being mean-spirited. I don't think so.  I'm being realistic. Everyone has their weaknesses and strengths.  These producers are intentionally presenting people who they know will attract watchers (and, hence, advertisers). The average prepper would make for a very boring show, especially without the creative editing.

Yes, it frustrates me.  but at least there's an upside to it.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Shaunypoo on February 09, 2012, 01:01:09 PM
Good post Professor.

If they put out a show that most of us on this forum would watch, I agree that most people not of our mindset would find it pretty boring.  Other than alot of the smaller issues that people bring up is just the general issue of OPSEC.  Of course most of these people don't show a significant portion of their preps, or at least I hope they don't.  But you don't go on a TV show and not tell everyone you know.  There is another thread around here about secrecy and preps, and it seems like a sizeable majority purposely don't share alot.  What drives someone who is involved in prepping to decide to give out so much information?  Yes, I want to help everyone who will listen to have every opportunity to learn from me and everyone here, but we all know that the vast majority aren't going to do anything for themselves and if TSHF, the more people that know about what you have, the less chance you will be able to defend it.  Maybe this will get people to think a little, but as people in the show are being portrayed, it is little more than entertainment to the uninitiated.  To us, we may be able to get something out of it, but not most people.
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: Cedar on February 09, 2012, 03:07:15 PM
Well, at least there wasn't a repeat of the 6'4" self-admitted psychotic-drug-dependent transexual.

Actually that was a different show..

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Doug on February 09, 2012, 03:19:11 PM
It's all in how the producer/director spins the project. Take the survival shows like Dual Survival and Surviverman if they wanted to make these shows look like only cranks practice such skills they can selectively screen the participants and set up quirky scenarios.

They just as easily could screen "preppers" who have expertise and rational reasons for why they prep. So using the survival shows as an analogy, instead of hiring expert survivalists (like Cody, Dave, or Les) whose reasons for knowing their skills is rational, they've chosen prepper-show participants with quirky rationals for learning to prep and some only have a vague concept (like the girl from Houston) of what to do.

I started to watch the new show just to be curious and turned it off. Had I know the guy from LA would be own I would've watched that the other night. Since it's coming on again I've set the dvr to record the show and will zip through till he's on. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on February 09, 2012, 03:25:13 PM
It's all in how the producer/director spins the project. Take the survival shows like Dual Survival and Surviverman if they wanted to make these shows look like only cranks practice such skills they can selectively screen the participants and set up quirky scenarios.

I don't think that they can help Bear.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Doug on February 09, 2012, 03:54:53 PM
I don't think that they can help Bear.

Cedar

Notice I didn't mention Bear. There's a reason Ray Meyers complains about MvW
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on February 09, 2012, 06:19:24 PM
Notice I didn't mention Bear. There's a reason Ray Meyers complains about MvW

Bear's just one of those guys who believes his own marketing campaign.

"I was in the SAS. . .AND I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, last night."

The Professor

(Did you see what I did there?)

I SLAY me!!
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on February 09, 2012, 07:54:31 PM
Actually that was a different show..

Cedar

Yeah, I had to look it up. . .that was "Living for the Apocalypse."

At least they didn't go putting HIM on "Doomsday Preppers."

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Lunk on February 10, 2012, 12:18:16 PM
Here is an interesting blog posting backing up EXACTLY what Jack was talking about.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/rockbeyondbelief/2012/02/08/how-nat-geo-misrepresented-the-foxhole-atheist-doomsday-prepper-megan-hurwitt/
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on February 10, 2012, 01:48:22 PM
Here is an interesting blog posting backing up EXACTLY what Jack was talking about.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/rockbeyondbelief/2012/02/08/how-nat-geo-misrepresented-the-foxhole-atheist-doomsday-prepper-megan-hurwitt/

<sigh> Still doesn't change my opinion, of her or NatGeo.

Let me put it another way:

Regardless of how NatGeo twisted it. . .she still went on the show and said all of what they showed on the episode.

What we have here is a blatant, and demonstrable failure to exercise good judgement.  Either that, or she willfully traded her time and presence for money.

Can someone please tell me where, exactly, one gets the idea that going on a television show that's titled "Doomsday Preppers" will provide anything even vaguely good for the person?

All of her friends, clients and many future clients now think, or will think, she's a hard-drinking, night-clubbing, kook survivalist who spends her time thinking of how to best pop her kitty behind the ear with a pistol in between her apparently voracious post-Doomsday sexual obsessions (why else have a TEOTWAWKI Trojan Stash?).

Insert Trojan Ad Music here : "   Does the end of the world get you excited?  You'd better use Trojan Brand Condoms! When you're not sure he's a zombie, Trojan can protect you!  Trojan . . .for all your Post-Apocalyptic Partying Needs."

It's on the internet.  Anyone can look it up.  She's supposed to be an IT specialist.  I'm sure she's heard of Google.

I don't care who's in your home with a video camera (Friends, family, a bunch of strangers from a reality show titled "Doomsday Preppers"). . .making a gun out of your fingers and pointing it at the back of the head of Mr. Kitty, then going "bang" . . .yeah. . .that's a real good idea. 

In context, or otherwise. . .this is a wonderful example of Good Judgement. . right? She can whine and gripe all she wants. . .she did it.  She signed the contract, she allowed them into her home, she did it in front of the camera, IIRC she smiled about it and she took their money. 

She did read the contract she signed, right?  She did sign and deposit the check, right? (or did she allow herself to be videotaped and used for the production company's profit and gave them permission to edit the interview however they wanted without due compensation?)

Oh. . .wait. . .she must have succumbed to Peer Pressure. . .right?  After all, she was GOADED into saying those things against her will by the camera crew. . .right?  Yeah, that's a good survival trait.  Right up there with the stockpiling of 300 condoms for her bug-out kit. Hmm, maybe she needs to rethink her procreative (recreative?) desires, post-apocalypse.  Then again, SOMEONE will be putting on a hell of a bash at the end of the world and I guess she wouldn't want to exercise some self-restraint, now would she?

Oh. . .wait, that must have been taken out of context.  Yeah, I'm going to brag about my rubber stash in front of the cameraman. . .wait. . .they must have covered up the little red light with a piece of electrical tape. . .she didn't know they were taping at that moment, right?

I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea.

She wanted attention.  It's as simple as that.  Then, she has a hissy fit when it didn't aggrandize her the way she wanted.

Too bad, so sad, it's no one's fault but her own. 

And this will stay with her for the rest of her life, or the life of the internet.

Now, please. . .someone step in and say that it was the production company's fault.  PLEASE.

Don't be a dumb$$ and go on a show.  It's really as simple as that.  Anyone with an IQ in the high double-digits should be able to figure that one out, bad-ass or not.

Sheez.

The Professor
(being even MORE mean-spirited)


[Edited for a couple of grammatical errors and one addition]
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: cmxterra on February 10, 2012, 02:49:58 PM
Well, at least there wasn't a repeat of the 6'4" self-admitted psychotic-drug-dependent transexual.

The liberal prepper was one of my favorites. . .I loved the liberal dude saying he wouldn't have a gun, but would invite anyone into his home, try to convince them to "sharing" and communing. . .and if they didn't, he'd sneak in and "slit their throat" while they were sleeping.  Hmm, so much for kinder and gentler.

Then, there's the 375-lb. diabetic ex-trucker with knee and back problems "tactically" moving around his back yard with a Surefire mounted on his M1A while wearing a chest-rig and helmet.  There's no way he's going to be able to deal with a group of attackers that decide to use very basic tactics and feint on one side of his property, wait for him to get there and then attack from the opposite side (Murphy's Combat Law # 8: That feint you're ignoring is the enemy's main attack force.").  With his physical ailments, rapid movement is impossible, let alone getting behind cover.

If the power goes out, where's he going to get his insulin?  He complained frequently that he "needs surgery" for his weight problem. 

The Professor

Just a note. I just saw that he was found mentally deficent and all his guns were taken from him. Guess he was a nut after all. And loose lips sink ships it seems.

Youtube link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv9pjxq5QI&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Doomsday Prepper TV show (merged topics)
Post by: endurance on February 10, 2012, 03:14:22 PM
Just a note. I just saw that he was found mentally deficent and all his guns were taken from him. Guess he was a nut after all. And loose lips sink ships it seems.

Youtube link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv9pjxq5QI&feature=player_embedded
Actually, that's not the guy Prof was talking about, but not exactly shocking news either.  Just more evidence of why being on these shows is just a very bad idea.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cmxterra on February 10, 2012, 03:39:07 PM
Sure sounds like him.. even looks like the pic I found of that nut case.

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/scootercp/david-sarti_46887_600x450.jpg)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on February 10, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
Actually, that's not the guy Prof was talking about, but not exactly shocking news either.  Just more evidence of why being on these shows is just a very bad idea.

Actually, from the sound of it, it's more like why you NEVER tell any sort of official that ". . .I may as well kill myself. . ."

He admitted that he would rather kill himself than live with tubes stuck in him because he was having feelings like he was being smothered.

At that point, the doctor has to protect his ability to make his Porsche payments and refer him for psychological evaluation.

If this guy would get over his melodrama. . .he most likely could do a bit of a search for a lawyer who might take his case pro bono.  There are ways to fight this.  Not that I'm suggesting anything that might be illegal, but if he's THAT worried about  his guns, all this means is that he'd have to maintain a. . .low. . profile. . .

oh. . .wait.

The Professor

[I'm sorry. . .this is just one topic that really ticks me off.  We have become a society where it is constantly reinforced that there are no consequences for our actions.  From the housing bailout to going onto a TV show, it's never our fault.  To me, this is the antithetical prepper mindset.

In a crisis situation, everything we do will have consequences.  If we don't think about the repercussions of our actions, then we may not survive the threat.  What we see here is consistently bad decision-making.  In other words: How NOT to be a prepper.   Yet, we are barraged by excuses and finger-pointing (i.e.,". . . it wasn't MY fault. . .they took it out of context.").
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: endurance on February 10, 2012, 04:23:09 PM
Sure sounds like him.. even looks like the pic I found of that nut case.

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/scootercp/david-sarti_46887_600x450.jpg)
He was the guy from doomsday preppers, he was not the 6'4" tall transexual from Living for the Apocalypse.

Two completely different nut jobs, ok?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cmxterra on February 10, 2012, 09:07:36 PM
Prepping sure does bring them out in droves.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo t.v.
Post by: chickchoc on February 10, 2012, 10:40:52 PM
I would prefer a show where they take a normal family and teach them how to prep.  Assess what they have now and show them how much trouble they would be in if any SHTF.  Give them job loss all the way to pandemic or financial collapse.  That might be more palatable for the general public.

I'd sure be onboard with that one, too.  With all the real wacko's out there, a bit of "normal" would be a breath of fresh air.  In addition, I assume that at least some of NatGeo's mission is education, therefore wouldn't it be more educational to show how a variety of people could get started preparing for personal and other catastrophes?   For example, they could feature college students/young adults in dorms or apartments or perhaps single parents.  Perhaps followups on these same people could show their progress.  Showing folks already well along in their preparations gives people some ideas, but it doesn't show how the process gets started.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nkawtg on February 11, 2012, 02:08:20 PM
Jack was right about these guys (Nat Geo), that's why he won't have anything to do with them.
Thanks Lunk for posting the link to the interview with Megan. To think the producer offered her $1,000 to shoot her cat on camera is just disgusting.
These guys sell their souls every day.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: hillclimber on February 12, 2012, 09:12:14 AM
I think I may have seen all the episodes so far, this season and last...
Alot of the people have viable ideas, but I'd do it different than they have. In my opinion, they'll never show anyone who has it completely together, and is completely rational.
I honestly think the "gourmet chef lady" and her husband were about the best so far as far as making an effort goes. "Bugging in" in their location didn't look like a good idea to me.....but look at the community stuff they were doing.

All in all, I watch it on the off chance I may see something I haven't thought about. I know people say "you learn by your mistakes", but I'd rather learn from the mistakes of others. 8)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cheryl1 on February 12, 2012, 09:24:14 AM
I had someone call me last night to tell me about this cool new show on about prepping. I think they were a little disappointed that I was already familiar with it, but I will thank the show for bringing up the valuable conversation we ended up having.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on February 12, 2012, 09:34:15 AM
Yesterday I saw a show from last season.  It was the one that had the family from Phoenix who made the eco pond out of the pool, which was way cool, and a family from Nebraska that went 20 feet underground to prepare against a nuclear attack.  Of the shows I've seen from 2011 and 2012, I think this episode was the best. . . .  It included a group that IMO is the best prepared that I've seen so far.  In this group were two families formed by two friends.  One of the guys is an engineer in charge of inventing solutions and the other with military experience who is in charge of security.  The preparations and inventions they have come up with are incredible.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oniwaban on February 12, 2012, 10:16:22 AM
Poor Fella.
http://offgridsurvival.com/doomsdayprepperdeclaredmentaldefective/
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on February 12, 2012, 11:12:37 AM
Prepping sure does bring them out in droves.

No.. the television show wants to sell people watching the show. They are just using the vehicle of dysfunctional like Gene Simons Family Jewels, The Ozzy disaster, the Kardasians ect type 'reality show' format sells. Who is going to 'sell better", the 6'4" transexual or someone much more boring like me?

If ratings were up watching a show all about trigonometry, there would be a bunch more math shows on. If the ratings were high on how to wash your dog, that would also create more of that type of show. THEY don't care what they are airing, as long as the commercial ad space buyers who are paying them are happy that there is traffic watching the show.

So the TV show is looking for the 'most interesting' people to put on to get the ratings up. And unfortunetely it is more of the colorful people maybe? I will make a better assessment with the next episode.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: endurance on February 12, 2012, 03:08:47 PM
Poor Fella.
http://offgridsurvival.com/doomsdayprepperdeclaredmentaldefective/
Looking at the video and the timing, it sounds like his appearance on Doomsday Preppers may have already been filmed, but was not aired by the time he was locked up and evaluated. 

To me, he just suffered from foot in mouth syndrome.  I've watched a few of his other videos dating back to last summer when he was critiquing the pilot of Doomsday Preppers and he made some statements that would be cause for the ban-hammer on this forum.  I'm not saying it's right that they took his guns, but from what I saw there might have been other grounds for concerns.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on February 12, 2012, 03:18:28 PM
Here is an interesting blog posting backing up EXACTLY what Jack was talking about.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/rockbeyondbelief/2012/02/08/how-nat-geo-misrepresented-the-foxhole-atheist-doomsday-prepper-megan-hurwitt/

The linked article you provided here claims that the NatGeo producer scumbag soul-less vapor of a non-human offered her $1,000 to shoot her cat on camera! I seriously think he needs to be criminally prosecuted for that one!  >:(

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on February 12, 2012, 04:26:39 PM
The linked article you provided here claims that the NatGeo producer scumbag soul-less vapor of a non-human offered her $1,000 to shoot her cat on camera! I seriously think he needs to be criminally prosecuted for that one!  >:(

To clarify that a bit, it was shoot her cat on camera with her finger pointed at the cat as if her hand was a gun not to actually put the cat down with a real firearm.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: endurance on February 12, 2012, 04:41:29 PM
To clarify that a bit, it was shoot her cat on camera with her finger pointed at the cat as if her hand was a gun not to actually put the cat down with a real firearm.
Actually, she said in the thread that they would pay her a grand if she actually did it. 

Quote
And something that Nat Geo didn’t mention? The producer offered me $1,000 to shoot my cat on camera. Fuck him, fuck the editor.

IMHO, they were just messing with her and wouldn't have followed through, but seriously, this film crew are guys to be avoided like the plague.  I'm actually about to leave to have dinner with one of the guys that already did his bit for the show.  I bet he's not very happy after seeing this last episode.  He did it to promote a product he's developing, but I suspect they'll edit that bit out entirely. ::)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on February 12, 2012, 05:47:54 PM
Actually, she said in the thread that they would pay her a grand if she actually did it. 

IMHO, they were just messing with her and wouldn't have followed through, but seriously, this film crew are guys to be avoided like the plague.  I'm actually about to leave to have dinner with one of the guys that already did his bit for the show.  I bet he's not very happy after seeing this last episode.  He did it to promote a product he's developing, but I suspect they'll edit that bit out entirely. ::)

Yeah, my money's on them not putting it in, at all.   A couple of the people who have already been on had existing commercial ventures.  Christopher Nyerges, for example, has a number of books and businesses he runs.

The "Gourmet Apocalypse Chef" also has a few business ventures.  Even though some of them were shown, you didn't hear a word about her actually owning them.  (The scenes where she's teaching shooting were of the shooting courses she runs.).

Remember, the ones who are making the money here are the producers (who got paid by NatGeo) and NatGeo, itself.  I sincerely doubt that they're going to share any wealth. 

About the best thing we could do is post the information about how people got "burned," albeit willingly, as far and wide as possible.  Perhaps others who are thinking about going on any future seasons of this, or any simliar, show might learn from this experience.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on February 12, 2012, 06:27:36 PM
My first line of advice to anyone thinking about going on this show: don't.

My second line of advice to anyone who agrees to go on this show: have your OWN camera crew there at the same time.

Seriously.

If you can have your friend or your cousin show up with a Flip camera and capture the antics of the producer and the video crew, it will make those assholes behave all the better. I would dearly love to have captured the moment when the producer literally said to her: "Would you shoot your cat? What if I paid you a thousand bucks to shoot your cat on camera right now? Would you shoot her for a thousand bucks right here for the cameras?"

That kind of shit needs to be exposed for what it is.

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: devildoc on February 12, 2012, 07:12:24 PM
Will give it one more try the first was a bit rediculous but we will see so far..... its like everything else on tv not worth watching. I gain more from Jacks pod cast.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on February 12, 2012, 08:01:21 PM
Apparently the producer or whomever he was was not under the impression that shooting a cat in an apartment is probably going to get the police involved?

I question though if that was really true.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on February 12, 2012, 08:55:08 PM
Apparently the producer or whomever he was was not under the impression that shooting a cat in an apartment is probably going to get the police involved?

I question though if that was really true.

Cedar

It does bear the tinge of the unbelievable.   

And I don't see NatGeo risking the wrath of PETA, etc. for showing such a thing.

Just sayin'

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on February 12, 2012, 09:07:21 PM
It does bear the tinge of the unbelievable.   

And I don't see NatGeo risking the wrath of PETA, etc. for showing such a thing.

That's the first thing I thought of.  Of course around here PETA means People for Eating Tasty Animals, but I don't think even I could eat a house pet.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on February 13, 2012, 10:30:02 AM
It does bear the tinge of the unbelievable.   
And I don't see NatGeo risking the wrath of PETA, etc. for showing such a thing.

Just on the series "Survivor", which the premise of the show is SURVIVING (weirdly enough), I figured that pig that ran through camp, killed and eaten was a valid reason for killing an animal on that show. With the wildfires happening there, it was likely it would have suffered a worse fate in the long run. But.. NOOOO.. too many piggy lovers had a FIT!
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=109107&page=1

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/survivor-pig-killing-prompts-new-law-131.php

After this is when I stopped watching the show.....

... but apparently Bear can harass a pig tied by a leg to a tree before killing it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwRO54B8AFs

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Ponce on February 13, 2012, 12:12:39 PM
Out of population of 313 millions, in the US, there are only 3 millions preppers.........I'd better buy more ammo..............and about two guns per person?, crap.........better buy a LOT MORE AMMO.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Greenneck on February 13, 2012, 12:27:57 PM
I thought that show was pretty lame.  I have watched a few episodes "on demand" and totally agree with many of the above comments.

The show that takes a standard family and teaches them how to prep would be much more interesting.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Shaunypoo on February 13, 2012, 03:10:49 PM
That's the first thing I thought of.  Of course around here PETA means People for Eating Tasty Animals, but I don't think even I could eat a house pet.

I could.  I have 2 rescue dogs and while I love both of them, one is a better watchdog that is more territorial and obeys better, while the other one sits by whomever is eating and is basically a hoover with legs.  He is fat and doesn't listen.  If I needed to, I would eat him.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on February 13, 2012, 10:03:49 PM
I could.  I have 2 rescue dogs and while I love both of them, one is a better watchdog that is more territorial and obeys better, while the other one sits by whomever is eating and is basically a hoover with legs.  He is fat and doesn't listen.  If I needed to, I would eat him.

That's terrible :stop:  . . . .  I guess I could eat one of my five cats, but they stay outside and are more of a tool around the barns than pets.  My dog, no way, he is like a son to me.
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Post by: Zeroth on February 14, 2012, 02:50:18 AM
 More or less interesting. past posts have it right. U have to prepare for anything, and keep it secret! Still, intertaining show and my wife luvs it.
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Post by: Dawgus on February 14, 2012, 04:05:10 AM
Once again, after reading the posts here and hearing about the show from co-workers, I'm damn happy we don't have TV. It doesn't sound like I'm missing a thing.  ;D The time that show is on is much better spent here at TSP learning how things are REALLY done.  ;)
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Post by: Shaunypoo on February 14, 2012, 09:27:25 AM
That's terrible :stop:  . . . .  I guess I could eat one of my five cats, but they stay outside and are more of a tool around the barns than pets.  My dog, no way, he is like a son to me.

It's not like I am putting him in the stir-fry tonight.  If the SHTF, they must serve a function.  I have 2 little girls and if they need to eat, they need to eat.  I prep so I don't have to eat my dog, but if I that is the function he ends up serving, so be it.  I think it is more of a societal reason why we don't eat dogs.  I refuse to anthropomorphize them.

I wouldn't put any of them down for no reason, I think I would almost rather let them go.  I would be afraid of my dogs turning feral, but neither are that big.
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Post by: thorquest on February 14, 2012, 09:49:55 AM
Tonights Episode: Back to the Stone Age TUE FEB 14 9P et/pt
Tim Ralston has built a business catering to the survival-minded set. Colorado computer programmer Preston White says he has spent more than $40,000 collecting over 11,000 seeds.

This ought to be a good one too.  If anyone's around and not celebrating the shakedown that is valentines day, maybe we can have a virtual viewing party here.  Don't forget the popcorn!
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Post by: endurance on February 14, 2012, 10:03:51 AM
I could.  I have 2 rescue dogs and while I love both of them, one is a better watchdog that is more territorial and obeys better, while the other one sits by whomever is eating and is basically a hoover with legs.  He is fat and doesn't listen.  If I needed to, I would eat him.
See, this is where we're getting this wrong.  Just entering this kind of thinking means you have gaps in your preps.  Prepping is about maintaining quality of life for yourself and those you love, not just surviving.  Hell, a homeless guy that is dumpster diving for food is surviving, but I wouldn't call him a prepper.  I keep at least eight 35 pound bags of dog food in the house so I never need to be in the situation where I might see them suffer.  I keep enough food in the house to keep myself and all of my neighbors fed for at least a winter because I value them, too.  I keep enough seeds on hand to be sure we'll all be eating for the years to come.

The discussion of turning pets into dinner is the admission of a massive failure in your other preps to get to that point.  We can all prevent getting there.
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Post by: Shaunypoo on February 14, 2012, 10:10:40 AM
The discussion of turning pets into dinner is the admission of a massive failure in your other preps to get to that point.  We can all prevent getting there.

I totally agree and have accepted my shortcoming in my preps, which is at an early point compared to many others here.  I don't want to do it and that is one of my goals.  I would only as a last resort, which I am trying to prevent.  I just don't think I would do what the Texas girl was talking about and putting one of my dogs down if I can't take him with me.  He would probably have a good chance at survival on his own.  Unless he was lame or some other serious reason, why would you put them down?

That is another reason to like the show.  Even if you don't agree with what, why, or how they are prepping, at least some of what they do will give you something to think about.
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Post by: Cedar on February 14, 2012, 10:16:16 AM
Depends on how long the situation lasts. For me, that would be only 8 months with 8 bags of dog food for using dog food. For 4 years my dog and the sled dogs only ate trim (supplemented with dog food), so I am used to feeding out other options. The trick woudl be finding it too however down here.

Cedar
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Post by: nelson96 on February 14, 2012, 02:15:01 PM
It's not like I am putting him in the stir-fry tonight.  If the SHTF, they must serve a function.  I have 2 little girls and if they need to eat, they need to eat.  I prep so I don't have to eat my dog, but if I that is the function he ends up serving, so be it.  I think it is more of a societal reason why we don't eat dogs.  I refuse to anthropomorphize them.

I wouldn't put any of them down for no reason, I think I would almost rather let them go.  I would be afraid of my dogs turning feral, but neither are that big.

I agree, it's just hard to imagine getting to that point.  Hell, I'd serve up my right leg if I thought that would keep my girls alive long enough to survive to the next meal.
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Post by: nelson96 on February 14, 2012, 02:22:55 PM
See, this is where we're getting this wrong.  Just entering this kind of thinking means you have gaps in your preps.  Prepping is about maintaining quality of life for yourself and those you love, not just surviving.  Hell, a homeless guy that is dumpster diving for food is surviving, but I wouldn't call him a prepper.  I keep at least eight 35 pound bags of dog food in the house so I never need to be in the situation where I might see them suffer.  I keep enough food in the house to keep myself and all of my neighbors fed for at least a winter because I value them, too.  I keep enough seeds on hand to be sure we'll all be eating for the years to come.

The discussion of turning pets into dinner is the admission of a massive failure in your other preps to get to that point.  We can all prevent getting there.

+1 . . .  Very well put endurance.  A bit of a "check"-"check" on your preps if this discussion is in your vocabulary.

I totally agree and have accepted my shortcoming in my preps, which is at an early point compared to many others here.  I don't want to do it and that is one of my goals.  I would only as a last resort, which I am trying to prevent.  I just don't think I would do what the Texas girl was talking about and putting one of my dogs down if I can't take him with me.  He would probably have a good chance at survival on his own.  Unless he was lame or some other serious reason, why would you put them down?

That is another reason to like the show.  Even if you don't agree with what, why, or how they are prepping, at least some of what they do will give you something to think about.

Thanks for the clarification Shaunypoo.  We don't want PETA calling the feds on you and reading about them taking all your preps away like that poor dude from the show.
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Post by: nelson96 on February 14, 2012, 02:33:03 PM
Depends on how long the situation lasts. For me, that would be only 8 months with 8 bags of dog food for using dog food. For 4 years my dog and the sled dogs only ate trim (supplemented with dog food), so I am used to feeding out other options. The trick woudl be finding it too however down here.

There's a thread on here somewhere asking about how long will canned food stay stable.  One comment was made that after a period of time canned goods lose nutritional value.  If that's true, this would be a good solution for feeding your dog.  I can a lot of elk meat and that would make excellent dog food if mixed with some cooked rice and vegetables. . . .  The dog could eat right along side of you at the table. . . . .  If I prepped poorly, and the dog food lasted longer than the people food, I wouldn't have much of a problem chowing on that either.  I worked at a lumber mill once where a guy packed a container of dry Alpo everyday to work (along with his other food) and ate it every day as a crunchy snack.  Sounds gross, but it didn't kill him, he did it for years.
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Post by: ICBM99 on February 14, 2012, 02:39:13 PM
I missed the first episode that was back last summer.  I did watch the last couple that were on the other day.

I wish it was a better show.  It's way too "TV".  I would be much more interested in non-sensationalized type show.  I was hoping for a more how-to/best practices type show.  But I understand that the majority of TV viewers would find that type of show too boring.  Like Jack has said regarding his own projects, we are a niche market.

I'm very new to prepping, and due to a family medical situation, we've had to put some recent plans on hold.  But I'm going to try to start a notebook of things to do and a show like the survival podcast is good for that, now I've got 800 some odd episodes to listen to...yeah!!
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Post by: endurance on February 14, 2012, 02:45:29 PM
Depends on how long the situation lasts. For me, that would be only 8 months with 8 bags of dog food for using dog food. For 4 years my dog and the sled dogs only ate trim (supplemented with dog food), so I am used to feeding out other options. The trick woudl be finding it too however down here.

Cedar
In general, I think preps should get you from the end of a growing season until you're back into production the following year and ideally, you'll be prepared to be self-sufficient based on production.  I'm not certain I could be 100% even if I dedicated 100% of my time to food production, but I could certainly come close if we'd broken down to the point where working wasn't even an option.  It would take changes that aren't in the cards right now, like removing every tree on my lot for firewood and to allow more areas of sunlight for gardening.

My point is that my dog food cache isn't an indefinite supply any more than my human food is, but given enough time and proper planning I don't need to think about putting my pets down for lack of food.  Of course the horses are the bigger trick than the dogs because we don't have enough physical space for eight months of hay, but it's rare we don't have at least two or three months on hand.  If we can make it until the snow clears, there's plenty of meadows we could turn them out in if it came down to it.


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That is another reason to like the show.  Even if you don't agree with what, why, or how they are prepping, at least some of what they do will give you something to think about.
I completely agree.  While I can wish for a more sensible portrayal or better show, it's a conversation starter, both with grasshoppers and each other.  A while back Jack had a show with a guest that said "prepping is a moral choice" and I couldn't agree more.  If you're not a moral person, then you only need to stock up on guns and ammo and just go out and kill whoever you want to steal from.  Alternatively, you could choose to store nothing and be at the mercy of the government or neighbors to care for you.  However, by storing food, water, and the means to stay comfortable in all seasons we are choosing a different moral pathway to survive.  That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't defend what's yours, but you leave yourself the ethical choice of electing not to start the fight just to stay alive.
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Post by: hobbs67 on February 14, 2012, 02:54:25 PM
Finally watched the first of the new episodes and I don't think they put the folks on there deliberately in a bad light.  There was some shading, but there was also quite a bit of simply putting their truth out there.  The folks involved didn't really help themselves, but then again maybe its just the people they picked or just the result of going against the norm.   

I am not military/ex-military so perhaps I am missing something, but that container house seemed good on visibility, bad on most everything else defense wise.  I like the idea of the courtyard though.  Seemed like the house was a big come loot me sign, but again I am just a lay person.   What am I missing?

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Post by: nelson96 on February 14, 2012, 03:08:18 PM
Finally watched the first of the new episodes and I don't think they put the folks on there deliberately in a bad light.  There was some shading, but there was also quite a bit of simply putting their truth out there.  The folks involved didn't really help themselves, but then again maybe its just the people they picked or just the result of going against the norm.   

I am not military/ex-military so perhaps I am missing something, but that container house seemed good on visibility, bad on most everything else defense wise.  I like the idea of the courtyard though.  Seemed like the house was a big come loot me sign, but again I am just a lay person.   What am I missing?

Agreed, but I think that's why they had a BO plan.  It was obvious that their hopes were to stay but if needed they seemed very prepared (more than most) to BO.  I think there situation (probably money) chose where the BI place was.  That said, IMO they again have a better than many do as a defensible BI set-up.
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Post by: nelson96 on February 14, 2012, 03:22:05 PM
Of course the horses are the bigger trick than the dogs because we don't have enough physical space for eight months of hay, but it's rare we don't have at least two or three months on hand.  If we can make it until the snow clears, there's plenty of meadows we could turn them out in if it came down to it.

I have the same issue and haven't planned for it well YET.  If interested, here is my plan . . . .  When I was a young boy my family used to horse pack in to the wilderness for 7 days at a time.  We of course couldn't pack hay in so we packed enough grain in to give the horses the nutrition they needed to get them through the week.  We would often put our camp near a lake for drinking water and fun, which usually included a nearby meadow.  We would hobble the horses and let them eat for a few hours each evening . . . .  Horses don't need much hay to keep their digestion track working right (and to feel full of course) and if you feed the right grain, they can get everything they need from that for a good long while . . . .  That said, though it is more expensive than hay, enough grain to sustain a situation such as we are all planning for, can be done a lot easier with grain (a long as you have some supplemental hay and/or a nearby meadow).
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Post by: Cedar on February 14, 2012, 04:07:44 PM
In the medieval days, they had kids who watched the herds during the day while they grazed and pushed them to other areas. Even now, there are sheepherders who live in the summer range with flocks. Lots of grass along roadways and medians. Move the animals to the graze.

Cedar
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Post by: ag2 on February 14, 2012, 05:51:15 PM
In the medieval days, they had kids who watched the herds during the day while they grazed and pushed them to other areas. Even now, there are sheepherders who live in the summer range with flocks. Lots of grass along roadways and medians. Move the animals to the graze.

Cedar

Indeed.  I met some while hunting in the Rockies of Colorado.  They were some tough dudes from Peru, hired as ranch hands.  They were driving several hundred sheep to another part of the state.  They were tough son-of-a-guns exposed to all kinds of foul weather, riding horses, etc.  And I don't know what kind of dogs they had, but they would have had me for a Scooby snack if they had perceived me to be a threat to those sheep.  Dogs don't scare me, but I made an exception that day because they were about the size of ponies and all muscle, and those dogs took their jobs seriously.
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Post by: Oil Lady on February 14, 2012, 05:51:28 PM
In general, I think preps should get you from the end of a growing season until you're back into production the following year and ideally, you'll be prepared to be self-sufficient based on production.  .....



This is the lesson to be learned from the dreaded stretch of time in late spring that the Pilgrims and other early colonists in New England referred to as "six weeks of want (http://www.centralmass.org/media-center/releases/spring-early-new-england-%E2%80%9Csix-weeks-want%E2%80%9D-osv)."

For those of you who follow the future dystopian novels written by James Howard Kunstler, he is planning two more novels in his World Made By Hand book series. The first two novels were set during Summer and then Fall. The last two novels (not yet released by still in the works) will be set in Winter and then Spring. And he is planning to incorporate the fact of six weeks of want into the final novel. He intends to show the direness of his futuristic post-collapse survivalist characters beset by a lack of food during April and May as they desperately look for their gardens to provide them with something to eat. 

The whole six weeks of want thing is when storing grain starts to really make sense. Grain is a very inefficient thing to grow and harvest and store. But it keeps for decades and can save your butt from famine during a real food crisis. 
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Post by: DrJohn on February 14, 2012, 07:26:00 PM
Did the first guy in tonight's show put his thumb over the muzzle and almost loose the thumb? Come on!
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Post by: cheryl1 on February 14, 2012, 07:31:42 PM
Doomsday Preppers is to prepping what Reno 911! is to police work.
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Post by: The Professor on February 14, 2012, 07:33:34 PM
Did the first guy in tonight's show put his thumb over the muzzle and almost loose the thumb? Come on!

I looked away when he was shooting, so I missed it.  I thought he was firing a rifle when it happened. 

While I understand he was probably showing off for the camera, what would have happened were the camera men not to be there with their EMT?  Neither of those kids looked like they could either carry him to the car after he fainted.  I wonder if they had any experience driving or even knew where they were to guide back emergency response if/when they got hold of them.

Of course, they probably knew how to run the GPS on the phones better than their dad, so if they had cell signal, they may have been able to get the coordinates off that.

I can't say that this would have happened without the camera crew present, but, if it did. . .?

The Professor
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Post by: RacinRob on February 14, 2012, 07:35:42 PM
Wow just wow.  Yea the first guy shoots himself and passes out.  The second guy can't have handguns, he pulls out an example of every knife I wouldn't want in a fight.  Ok, the Bowie wasn't so bad, but most of them looked like movie props. 
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Post by: Cedar on February 14, 2012, 07:54:47 PM
Dogs don't scare me, but I made an exception that day because they were about the size of ponies and all muscle, and those dogs took their jobs seriously.

And this is why I brought my farm livestock guardian dog down from Canada and why he traveled with me back and forth to Canada a multitude of times so I could get some sleep and why he is my hiking companion. All 130 pounds of him.

Cedar

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Post by: nelson96 on February 14, 2012, 09:15:15 PM
In the medieval days, they had kids who watched the herds during the day while they grazed and pushed them to other areas. Even now, there are sheepherders who live in the summer range with flocks. Lots of grass along roadways and medians. Move the animals to the graze.

That's exactly what we'll have to do.  I'm surrounded 360 degrees with grass seed farms, so if I can stay here I'll have grass running out my ears.  If I have to scat then my knowledge of high mountain meadows will come in handy . . . .  I still want to prep for animal feed though.  Not knowing what crisis we may run in to, and if it gets hostile, we may not be able to Shepard our animals around for food.  And in the winter grass comes to a halt and what you can find doesn't have much value.
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Post by: thorquest on February 15, 2012, 12:04:57 PM
Did the first guy in tonight's show put his thumb over the muzzle and almost loose the thumb? Come on!

It appeared that he did, but they also said the gun "misfired" so I'll have to watch it again to see.  I was actually starting to like this guy's approach until that happened.  Here's  my thoughts on last night's episode:  The screened hammock that 1st guy was using was awesome, I love hammocks and have to get me one of those.  Hopefully some of the TSP sponsors carry them.  He started to lose me when he said he's spent over $10,000 so far on survival stuff.  To me that's overkill, me and my family can easily do it under $1,000.  Anything over that it becomes and obsession which is proved by shooting off his thumb.

The 2nd scenario of the firefighter bugging in NYC was lame and that guy and his family will be dead withing days.  What a joke sealing off all your doors and windows with plastic so you cant breathe then throwing broken glass outside the front door ward off intruders.  As soon as the plumbing stops working and the stank is unbearable, they'll all have to bug out anyway and be dead.  Of all the places to bug in NYC?  Get real.  They'll be just like all the people in New Orleans during Katrina. IF SHTF, i'm getting as far away from population centers as possible.

As far as the third scenario I was mesmerized by the hot redhead and totally lost track of what they're deal was.  If the producers are reading this, please feature her in some future episodes.
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Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on February 15, 2012, 02:59:46 PM
It appeared that he did, but they also said the gun "misfired" so I'll have to watch it again to see.

Misfired or not if there's a round in the chamber don't put any part of yourself in front of the barrel. The worst part is he didn't even see the wound just the blood coming out of the bandage and wam he was out.
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Post by: gobblerblaster on February 15, 2012, 03:41:59 PM
So what did anyone think of the show tonight Doomsday Preppers ?
It appears to already being going downhill to me. It is more evident now that the folks at NatGeo really want to make Preppers look like doofuces. Some of the facts that the supposed experts are giving after the interviews are blatantly false also. I don't know what planet they are on but, I know food prices here have went up way more than 4% in the last year. I also don't know how they figure what the odds of a specific type of disaster or hyper inflation, occuring are.
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Post by: nelson96 on February 15, 2012, 03:51:49 PM
IF SHTF, i'm getting as far away from population centers as possible.

Ditto . . . .  And without sounding too paranoid, I am also staying clear of the coastline.
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Post by: endurance on February 15, 2012, 04:09:26 PM
Ditto . . . .  And without sounding too paranoid, I am also staying clear of the coastline.
It really depends on the SHTF.  Jobs are still important and there's a lot more of them in the cities than in the country.  If the SHTF is something that looks like the great depression, there's some destinct advantages to a small city.  If the SHTF is something like a lack of available oil, there's advantages to a high density area where you can walk to the grocery, drug store, doctor, hardware store, salvage yard, clothing store, etc.  If you're living 90 miles outside the city with $10/gallon and have a job that pays $20/hour, how are you going to make ends meet if your car gets 16mpg?  On the otherhand, if you live in a small town that has regional bus transportation into the city it might be a lot easier.

Just things to think about.  There's obviously advantages to living in the sticks, too, but it's not the "right" choice for everyone.
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Post by: soccer grannie on February 15, 2012, 04:21:43 PM
Their 'experts' do not predict inflation over something like 2% in the next few years. Bought groceries lately?

Did you see the pop-up on the screen that said something like '25% of the population has done nothing to prepare for emergencies'? Just what do they consider prepare and emergencies? And who did they poll?

Laughed when man went in garage, slid the peg board wall hiding his food storage & said nobody knows where the food is. Duh, you're on national/worldwide tv.
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Post by: nelson96 on February 15, 2012, 04:27:09 PM
There's obviously advantages to living in the sticks, too, but it's not the "right" choice for everyone.

So right . . . .  But the word S@%T and "hitting the fan" means to me that I don't want to be around to get any on me.  Especially if you've got hungry people trying to bust your doors down, criminals doing worse, or governments trying to say you work for them now. . .  Anything less and I'm here to stay and offer my community support.
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Post by: nkawtg on February 15, 2012, 06:00:39 PM
Well this weeks episode included that family who's name shall not be spoken. I can't figure out why they were included in the show since they had almost nothing to contribute.
They guy who shot his thumb off had several things going against him, but mostly his wife was not on-board. She did not participate at all. It's sad to see, and I can't help but cast doubt on that family's long term chances of marriage let alone survival.
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Post by: RacinRob on February 15, 2012, 06:45:32 PM
So I found the video so I could watch it a few times.  They don't show when it happened, but I did have a thought.  Maybe he meant cylinder?  On a large bore revolver, getting your thumb by the cylinder gap could do some bad things.  I just don't know how you shoot the middle of your thumb on your off hand?
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Post by: spooky-1 on February 15, 2012, 06:49:33 PM
i may be wrong but if I remember correctly this weeks show featured jack spirko's "arch-enemy", the dude who has a farm in his backyard in cali and would not return his calls ( or some other beef they had). you guys who have been around as long as I have may recall better than i...
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Post by: nkawtg on February 15, 2012, 08:05:12 PM
Yes, that's the one. He who's name shall not be spoken.
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Post by: Sulla on February 15, 2012, 08:12:53 PM
So I found the video so I could watch it a few times.  They don't show when it happened, but I did have a thought.  Maybe he meant cylinder?  On a large bore revolver, getting your thumb by the cylinder gap could do some bad things.  I just don't know how you shoot the middle of your thumb on your off hand?

It wasn't a pistol. He did it when he went to clear "malfunction" on a Ruger 10-22 while doing so he grabbed the barrel of the rifle in such a way his thumb was over the muzzle.  His injury was not caused by a malfunction but rather a negligent discharge while attempting to clear a malfunction.

Had he followed the number one rule of gun safety he would still have a fully functional thumb and more importantly he wouldn't have added fodder to the fire for all the anti-gunners out there.

Firearms Safety Basics:
ALWAYS treat a weapon as it it is loaded!
ALWAYS keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction!
ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire!
NEVER point your weapon at anything you don't intend to destroy!
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Post by: LJH on February 15, 2012, 08:28:44 PM
I haven't seen the show (no TV service) so I can't comment but I do know from first-hand observation that National Geographic does some heavy-duty editing and gets real creative with storylines and characters.

My husband works at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary, in the area called Dogtown. Dogtown was the subject of a very popular Nat. Geo. series a couple of years ago. They filmed it over many months, maybe a year or more - I can't remember the exact duration but got to meet several of the film crews over time. All really nice folks and working super-hard in all kinds of crappy conditions. I got the impression being able to list National Geographic Society on a resume was very desireable to forward career movement. If a producer was onsite I seriously doubt it was the same douchebag Jack met with.

Anywho, when the series DVD came out we got a copy and had some good laughs. As far as we can tell there were no outright lies or pure fabrications but damn, there was some heavy-duty embelishment, misrepresentation and a shit-load of creative license utilized!

Best Friends is a phenomenal outfit. The sanctuary is huge (it's a 33,000 acre ranch), beautifully run and a major tourist attraction. The BF mission is 'No More Homeless Pets' and an end to kill shelters via adoption and putting puppy-mills out of business. They are NOT political and not to be confused with the idiots at PETA. The PTB and staff are for the most part outstanding and wonderful people, but if the only info you had was from the 'Dogtown' series you'd think they all walked on water while simulaneously turning it into wine and had no lives outside the sanctuary gates. You'd also think there were about 10 super-humans running the whole she-bang when in fact they're the biggest employer in the county with something like 450-500 on staff, few of whom were acknowledged in the film.

So in this case the truth was dressed up & massaged toward the positive. Fine by me if it motivates folks to either donate or get involved with their local no-kill movement. Apparently it's going in the other direction with preppers, trying to make us look like a bunch of whack-jobs who shoot off our own digits - now that's annoying. (No kidding, did the guy actually faint? LOL!) But either way, you cannot take Nat. Geo. as serious journalism. Too bad a lot of folks will.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Shaunypoo on February 16, 2012, 06:43:41 AM
So in this case the truth was dressed up & massaged toward the positive. Fine by me if it motivates folks to either donate or get involved with their local no-kill movement. Apparently it's going in the other direction with preppers, trying to make us look like a bunch of whack-jobs who shoot off our own digits - now that's annoying. (No kidding, did the guy actually faint? LOL!) But either way, you cannot take Nat. Geo. as serious journalism. Too bad a lot of folks will.

At this point it is mildly entertaining, but it is not something I am going to recommend to the uninitiated.  The only positive (aside from a few ideas here and there, as well as a few critiques I have seen here that I will add to the pile) is the fact that a few people at work have been discussing it, so I have been able to steer the conversation to more of the positive aspects than "whack-job" aspect. 
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Post by: DrJohn on February 16, 2012, 06:59:14 AM
Did anyone else notice when He Who Shall Not Be Named had his review, they forgot to mention that he had no way to defend his garden?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: LICountryBoy on February 16, 2012, 08:22:59 AM
It's just getting better.

The Firefighter in NYC won't last long.
I wonder if the authorities will show up to question him about his knife collection since the Bloomberg Administration and the D.A. have as much regard for knives as firearms.
I work in NYC and I have to get a new leather-man because the one I have has the blades on the outside and if the cops see it, it's most likely going to result in a trip downtown. People get hassled for the clip to a knife being exposed.
He should consider getting a long gun, permit required, or at the very least black powder. At least it's something.

The $10,000 guy shows off all his guns. No wonder he spends so much money, how else can he feed the army he is going to supply. He is probably a collector but they never mentioned that. Most people would see it and say "NUTTY AS A FRUITCAKE"

The thumbless wonder probably grabbed the gun from his son by the barrel then the primer ignited. He got lucky on many levels. I wonder when the firearms safety of their training is scheduled.

Back to one of the previous episodes. The guy with the bow that said you can fire the bow and nobody knows where it came from. When an arrow hits, it usually points back to from whence it was fired.

And when they told "He Who Will Not Be Named"  he should get a diesel generator, I guess because his car is diesel, didn't seem to think that if the proverbial hits the spinning thing, I doubt many caterers will still be in operation, so where will he get his waste oil? I still think it's a good idea but just not for that line of thinking.
He'll have some diesel on hand but it won't be easily replaced in time of crisis. It's just the way it came across when I heard it. I may have mistaken their reasoning but it seemed to tie in that way. They did say how he would defend his family and property, using the squash. He'll have the element of surprise, hide in the tomatoes and bonk the intruders as they come in.









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Post by: nkawtg on February 16, 2012, 08:28:46 AM
No defense, that's the first thing that jumped out at my wife and I when we were watching.
I'd bet they have no backup water source either. Just city water.
Los Angeles is a desert, if you turned off the sprinklers, it would turn back into a desert.
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Post by: endurance on February 16, 2012, 03:08:31 PM
No defense, that's the first thing that jumped out at my wife and I when we were watching.
I'd bet they have no backup water source either. Just city water.
Los Angeles is a desert, if you turned off the sprinklers, it would turn back into a desert.
He said he had 200 gallons... 200 gallons with a garden that big would likely get him about 1-2 weeks in a city that rarely gets rain. 

Quote from: Shaunypoo
At this point it is mildly entertaining, but it is not something I am going to recommend to the uninitiated.  The only positive (aside from a few ideas here and there, as well as a few critiques I have seen here that I will add to the pile) is the fact that a few people at work have been discussing it, so I have been able to steer the conversation to more of the positive aspects than "whack-job" aspect. 
I completely agree.  I still find it entertaining enough to DVR it and watch when nothing else is on, I'm caught up on my reading, my wife has been adequately attended to, and I want to sit on the couch with a dog across my lap and be amused.  I'm definitely harvesting some ideas from it, both in neat little tricks that other people are using and in what not to do, but thus far I have yet to have any coworkers mention the show and I'm sure not going to recommend it.

That said, if it weren't for that other silly show "the colony" the spark wouldn't have been set to start a conversation with a coworker who's now an avid prepper and a far better friend than if we hadn't had that conversation.  Sometimes stuff like this is the spark that's needed to start the conversation.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on February 16, 2012, 04:36:25 PM
The first quarter of the episode seemed like an advertisement for "The Crovel". I wish they would have shown how the guy shot off part of his thumb. I was actually somewhat embarrassed for the guy, his kids, and his wife.

Watching the NYFD Prepper made me wonder why anyone who actually believed that there was some impending SHTF emergency on the horizon would even want to live in New York City and beyond that consider bugging in for any amount of time. I have a prepper friend that lives on Long Island and his immediate emergency plan is to get the family in their boat and get out as soon as possible. His secondary plan is to move out of the city as soon as he can manage it.

Regarding the De®pvae$ family, the best I can say is that the Nat Geo must really love them because they completely got a pass.

The North Carolina couple came off alright I suppose. I wondered why they couldn't have just shown the inside of the storage room and not mentioned that it was hidden only to show where and how it was hidden though.
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Post by: The Professor on February 16, 2012, 05:05:45 PM
The North Carolina couple came off alright I suppose. I wondered why they couldn't have just shown the inside of the storage room and not mentioned that it was hidden only to show where and how it was hidden though.

I think that was a bit of disinformation.  If you looked at the walls and ceiling, it didn't look like it was in a barn.  It looked like it was an addition under an existing building.  We were betting that it was under their house as an addition to their basement.  The roof looked like it was under a concrete slab and the access point looked like it was part of a finished basement.

But, that's just conjecture.

The Professor
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Post by: USMCAllen on February 16, 2012, 05:08:38 PM
I must be too new for this, and I don't currently have tv, but who is "the unnamed one" and what's the beef?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on February 16, 2012, 05:22:23 PM
I think that was a bit of disinformation.  If you looked at the walls and ceiling, it didn't look like it was in a barn.  It looked like it was an addition under an existing building.  We were betting that it was under their house as an addition to their basement.  The roof looked like it was under a concrete slab and the access point looked like it was part of a finished basement.

But, that's just conjecture.

The Professor

That's a fine point.

Just look around for the pegboard I suppose. LOL
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Post by: Morning Sunshine on February 16, 2012, 05:22:40 PM
I must be too new for this, and I don't currently have tv, but who is "the unnamed one" and what's the beef?

this thread explains it all.  but in a nutshell, a family who has done a lot of really cool stuff by growing most of their food (like 90% or something) on a small LA lot, had decided a year ago to try and trademark "urban homestead" and variations so that no one else could use it.  they did manage to get google and facebook and amazon and I don't remember who else to block other people using those terms.  caused a big backlash against them in the homesteader community, especially since that is a term used in government documents for over 100 years.
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=24987.0


I have not seen this show, but I have read the thread.  in what world is that family preppers?  especially, doomsday preppers?  they grow food, yeah, and it is pretty cool, but preppers?  really?
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Post by: Nicodemus on February 16, 2012, 05:30:15 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7054/6888958333_97789a652b.jpg)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on February 16, 2012, 05:33:10 PM
The family that is not to be named are the ones from the thread that Morning Sunshine posted.

The person that Jack banned from commenting on his YouTube channel is the chunky guy with the little dogs from the season premiere. He mentions this guy and the beef in one of the recent TSP episodes.
Title: You know you are old if...
Post by: Guerre on February 18, 2012, 01:17:53 PM
You know you are old if:
Title: Re: You know you are old if...
Post by: nelson96 on February 18, 2012, 01:27:38 PM
You know you are old if:
  • You ever had to dial a phone
  • You ever had to get up off the sofa to change a channel
  • You ever had to tune a radio
  • AND you remember when National Geographic was a company with integrity.

That sucks, I can relate to all that.  But I'm not old, just seasoned.
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Post by: Guerre on February 18, 2012, 01:33:20 PM

And when they told "He Who Will Not Be Named"  he should get a diesel generator, I guess because his car is diesel, didn't seem to think that if the proverbial hits the spinning thing, I doubt many caterers will still be in operation, so where will he get his waste oil? I still think it's a good idea but just not for that line of thinking.
He'll have some diesel on hand but it won't be easily replaced in time of crisis. It's just the way it came across when I heard it. I may have mistaken their reasoning but it seemed to tie in that way. They did say how he would defend his family and property, using the squash. He'll have the element of surprise, hide in the tomatoes and bonk the intruders as they come in.

I found it hysterical that The Jackass That Shall Not Be Named said he couldn't afford a diesel generator.  What's that, a grand or two tops?  How can he afford trademark attorneys? (mine charges $365/hr and he doesn't get much done in an hour)   Why isn't his UH publishing empire and world domination of the UH keyword driving huge profits for him?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: AISB on February 22, 2012, 03:12:22 PM
So far Im not impressed. I said earlier - doomsday preppers is to prepping what ancient aliens is to history. that is to say, its a compelling story, but they chose enough kooks that most of the idiots out there in snivilization will disregard it. Ive only seen a couple episodes so far though.

edit: conspiracy aside -
id assume that it must be hard to find preppers who are sane and presentable enough for the masses.

but some of these people so far seem to have psychosis.
"you can never have too many knives"
--you can if your living on foot out a napsack
same guy who doesent carry guns and plans to forage for grass and water in the ditches of los angelas

the chick after him is just as bad. her plan is to hike out of the city through the ghetto in bike shorts and a frame pack after her in apartment food supplies run out.

"i used to be a lot more shallow then i am now"
still pretty fucking shallow though

imho anyone serious about survival would gtfo any city asap. they are nothing more than a death trap, and thats precollapse :P

shes got her food on the shelf and her guns in the safe -- what is she going to do defend the guns with a banana.

oh and her plan is bugging out to mexico.. which is a shit hole now, much less when tshtf

shes got some preps, and mentioned her seed stock, but i wonder if shes planned to put that in her INCH bag. would suck to be out on the fertile plains and suddenly remember your seed stock is back in the apt surrounded by zombies





Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nkawtg on February 22, 2012, 04:25:32 PM
It could be that "He who shall not be named" shot his wad on trademark attorneys. Maybe he should put his kids to work....
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: grizz2225 on February 22, 2012, 05:47:57 PM
One of them was talking about earthquakes...etc. then had glass jars full of food on a shelf wide open 5-6 feet off the floor. I haven't been able to watch past that.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Doug on February 22, 2012, 08:48:59 PM
Here's a show that puts the reason to prep into better light
History Channel, After Armageddon .. 1/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r97xoSOEjM
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on February 22, 2012, 08:54:06 PM
Doomsday Truckers....... That is all
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: ChrisFox on February 22, 2012, 09:20:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgQD4DuK81k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgQD4DuK81k)

Guy from LA talks about his segment.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on February 23, 2012, 02:22:48 AM
That's a good little interview.

This part cracked me up:
"I went on it (Doomsday Preppers) because I thought it would boost sales and I'd get more students. It was greed and vanity the same things that drive you Allen..." -Christopher Nyerges
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on February 23, 2012, 02:51:11 AM
That's a good little interview.

This part cracked me up:
"I went on it (Doomsday Preppers) because I thought it would boost sales and I'd get more students. It was greed and vanity the same things that drive you Allen..." -Christopher Nyerges

^^^- So. . .Nyerges WILLFULLY traded his name and reputation for his participation and compensation AND allowed them final edit and broadcast rights in hopes that they would maybe include some advertising for him?

Once again, I find it both amazing. . .and not a little disturbing. . .that the people on that show almost universally express their surprise and dismay at they way they were presented.

This means one of several things;

1.  The production team out-and-out lied to them about the way they would be portrayed and what would be included.

2.  The "victims" were obnoxiously naive.  This does not bode well for anyone who's preparing for the end of the world.

3.  Their desire for attention overrode their common sense.  Even in this particular incident, Christopher Nyerges relates how the person in charge of his segment "got upset with him" and constantly tried to get him (Christopher) to say or do things that were counter to his normal view.  At what point do you just walk away? 

Have these people never seen a "reality" TV show?  Have they not turned on the TV or visited YouTube in the past 10 years?  Do they not realize that there is no one who is going to present a prepper in a positive light (if they did, no one would watch)?

The only even vaguely acceptable answer, to me, would be that they counted on the fact that this was National Geographic and they were counting on the (at one time) respectability of that name.  But, as I said, it's only an excuse. 

What are people going to be like, post-Apocalypse, when their lives and the lives of their loved ones are on the line?  Will these people (the ones who signed on to the project and took their money) still be as gullible?  Certainly, there will be others out there who will make promises they won't keep.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: thorquest on February 23, 2012, 04:57:53 AM
After watching last Tuesdays episode, here's some thoughts.  The trucker guy was on the right track somewhat and I didn't know that hunting stores now carry survival stuff.  I'll have to check some of those out to see what kind of cool items they have.  I can't imagine trying to hide a big truck like that though he seemed well armed. 

The lady who was getting ready for a pandemic was an obsessed germaphobe who would die along with her family after the infection passed because she wasn't armed and had no food supplies.

All through out this episode they again kept saying my greatest "fear" is and I'm "afraid" of this or that.  If I'm afraid of it all so much then to me that means I'm not in the game to survive but rather to just run and hide somewhere.  If I live my life in fear all the time then I've failed miserably as, and I hate this word, a prepper.  The tin foil in me says all these shows are a move by the gov't and corporations to further condition mainstream society and control them with fear. 
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Post by: nelson96 on February 23, 2012, 07:22:14 AM
The lady who was getting ready for a pandemic was an obsessed germaphobe who would die along with her family after the infection passed because she wasn't armed and had no food supplies.

You're right . . .  I only saw her as a gemaphobe that is using the excuse of prepping for a pandemic as a way to reinforce her phobia and get buy-in from others.  This were the only preparations she had so she obviously isn't truly preparing for a pandemic or she would be stocking food too. . . . .  Didn't she watch the movie Contagion.
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Post by: DrJohn on February 23, 2012, 07:23:15 AM

...The lady who was getting ready for a pandemic was an obsessed germaphobe who would die along with her family after the infection passed because she wasn't armed and had no food supplies...


Honestly I don't think she would make it through a pandemic.  That hurry up routine is just going to make someone miss something - no need to rush in this scenario, and the blue painters tape to hold up some plastic sheet, how long do you think that is going to stay in place?  To do what she wants to do correctly, she needs a blocked off entry way and then provide a change of clothes and a way to wash hands and such for anyone on the way in. Then a better area (like in the garage) if you want to quarantine a visitor for any length of time.  Honestly the person at the door better be VERY important, or in that situation they are not coming in.  I agree that she really needs to think about security as everyone in the neighborhood now know she is the go to lady for supplies because if she has infection control stuff she has food too!
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: slingblade on February 23, 2012, 07:46:24 AM
Considering the epic failure (IMHO) of this show, you would think there is a business opportunity for someone to do this right.
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Post by: Shaunypoo on February 23, 2012, 10:07:06 AM
Considering the epic failure (IMHO) of this show, you would think there is a business opportunity for someone to do this right.

I agree that this show is turning into an epic failure.  However, I disagree that the is a business opportunity.  What we would like to see is probably something too mundane for the reality TV audience.  If you are like me, you already have a great degree of disdain for just about every reality TV show out there.  They are trying to cater to a different audience with a shorter attention span and an ability to be swayed by flashy graphics and incomplete facts than most of us are.  Unfortunately we are in the minority.  I would love to sit down and talk with some of the participants, get a tour, and be able to ask questions.  Some more explaination on some of the finer points that are glossed over or skipped altogether.

Honestly, I think this is about as good as it is going to get as far as mainstream goes.



Did anyone see that they are now using the show as part of a series of shows on "outliers".  Anyone remember the specific name?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on February 23, 2012, 10:39:35 AM
A realistic prepper show could be done, but it would have to take its cue from markets like hunting, fishing, home repair and woodworking shows and would need to be similarly subsidized to make up for lack of market share and therefore high dollar advertisers. It would never draw the numbers that sensationalized product does on a weekly basis, but might benefit from new media where shows can be watched at any time. Meaning, it would be easier to produce and have a better shot on the web or through one of the streaming media outlets.

If I had the equipment, I'd give it a go.
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Post by: Dirk Pitt on February 23, 2012, 11:02:02 AM
Did you see the pop-up on the screen that said something like '25% of the population has done nothing to prepare for emergencies'? Just what do they consider prepare and emergencies? And who did they poll?


I thought about the flip side of this, if 25% have not done anything that means 75% have ?  I find that REALLY hard to believe.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on February 23, 2012, 11:54:06 AM
I would speculate and as was mentioned previously in this thread that prepping for us takes on a whole different meaning than it does for your average person. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the folks who believe that they have done "something" consider a Flashlight and FAK as a considerable amount of preparation.
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Post by: thorquest on February 23, 2012, 12:27:15 PM



[\quote]Did anyone see that they are now using the show as part of a series of shows on "outliers".  Anyone remember the specific name?
[/quote]

Yes I remember that now and thought they should have name it outright"Liars". LOL  No idea what the series outliers is, reminded me of the movie Outland and they double x chromosomes.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on February 23, 2012, 01:38:19 PM
I agree that this show is turning into an epic failure.  However, I disagree that the is a business opportunity.  What we would like to see is probably something too mundane for the reality TV audience.  If you are like me, you already have a great degree of disdain for just about every reality TV show out there.  They are trying to cater to a different audience with a shorter attention span and an ability to be swayed by flashy graphics and incomplete facts than most of us are.  Unfortunately we are in the minority.  I would love to sit down and talk with some of the participants, get a tour, and be able to ask questions.  Some more explaination on some of the finer points that are glossed over or skipped altogether.

Honestly, I think this is about as good as it is going to get as far as mainstream goes.

Did anyone see that they are now using the show as part of a series of shows on "outliers".  Anyone remember the specific name?

I have to disagree with you both.

First of all, you are viewing this from the Preparedness Perspective.  For YOU and for most preppers, this is an affront.  It didn't fulfill your wishes, so it's a failure.

But network representatives and advertisers don't care about the wishes of a very small segment of the viewing society.

They care about how many people tune in.

I was at a gunshow in Denver this past weekend.  EVERYONE was talking about Doomsday Preppers.  Good, bad or indifferent, everyone I spoke to knew about the show or had seen it.  Something like 17,000+ people walked through the doors on Saturday and Sunday.  No, I didn't speak to every one of them, but if you mentioned preparedness, the words "Doomsday Preppers" were spouted.

While some may wish to believe that TV is there to provide information, IT'S NOT!  It's there to generate money for the company who puts it out.  Money is generated by advertising revenue.  Advertisers will pay to put their product in the faces of people.  The more people who watch the show, for whatever reason. . be it education, entertainment or watching a train wreck. . .the more the company can charge the advertisers.

This following part isn't directed at anyone in particular.

Look, here's a big part of the problem: We have chosen the prepper "lifestyle" because we want to be prepared.  Like others, we want a justification and rationalization for our choices.  Survivalism and Preparedness have historically been firmly ensconced at the fringes.  Yet, the vast majority of preppers are not sloping-foreheaded, sunken-eyed, inbred cretins who you've seen in the past.

Many modern preppers do not want to be linked to what the general public has been fed in the past. 

"I didn't marry my sister and we can't call our offspring both "son" and "nephew," so we don't have anything in common with "Fringe Survivalists." They'll say.

Yet, after at least 50 years of media portrayal, they keep hoping against hope (and change?) that this time, it'll be different.

Normal people don't draw viewers.  If you put on a show about an average couple with 2.3 kids, dog and white picket fence dealing with the same stuff that all of the other 299,999,999 million Americans have to deal with,  no one would watch it.  However, show dad wearing a helmet, body armor and camo on Saturdays, Mom sneaking out to turn tricks she picks up on Craigslist, Junior wearing a dress and heels for a Drag Show and Sis smoking crack with her cheerleading squad. . .and suddenly, people will fall over themselves getting to a TV.

However, too many preppers are looking for that emotional and rational support that they think will happen when one of these shows airs.  Too many people want their decisions to be the right ones and want to be recognized for their preps.  We all want that ability to say "I told you so." We want everyone to suddenly have the epiphany and say "Oh my God, they are SO smart for getting ready for disasters!"

My recommendation is : Get over it.

I don't really care who knows that I prep.  I don't need recognition for doing what I feel is right for myself and my family.  I don't need some unknown person to pat me on the back and say "Dude, you got your S*** together, and I applaud you for that."  I don't need anyone who isn't among my peers and my family to tell me that what I'm doing is right.

In other words, I don't prepare so others will recognize my Greatness.  I don't need to wear the badge of an Ant on my sleeve so that others will recognize that I belong to an elite, enlightened and prepared society and that they should go where I've already been.

What I do need is to know that I've done everything in my power to provide for my family in times of hardship and danger.  No one can pat me on the back and tell me I've done enough.  I'll see it when my wife, child and those under my roof eat their meals when others may have to go hungry.  I'll see it when my family meets at our rendezvous point with their kits if the disaster requires that we leave work, school and/or home to survive.

And no television show that prostitutes itself for the purpose of drawing viewers, and hence advertising revenue, will ever take that away from me.  Am I on the fringe?  Sadly, I'd have to say "yes."  But I don't care.  It does nothing to change my self-worth or esteem.

Sorry for the continued rant.  I'll try to get better.

The Professor

PS: I will say this, though:  The show is popular.  If it encourages one person to consider putting back even the basic 3-day's worth of supplies, I consider it a good thing.  Please notice how sales of storage foods, guns and ammo have increased recently.  Look at the resurgence in interest in Prepping Expos.  There will be those who watch the show and think "Okay, I won't go THAT far, but maybe it's something I'll have to look into."

If it brings one person to TSP to find out that we're not all kooks and crazies, I can live with that.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nkawtg on February 23, 2012, 04:58:58 PM
I take this show for what it is, entertainment. BUT it does have some things to offer.
I see what they're doing, and see if there is anything I can incorporate.
As for a real prepper show? I don't know that anyone would watch it. At the beginning of each segment, they talk about what they are prepping for. The Texas gal was prepping for another Katrina, but the producers thought that was boring so suddenly she's prepping for an oil shortage.
And does anyone really believe the earth is going to physically flip around during a polar shift? A polar shift is when the magnetic poles reverse, that's it. Now your compass points somewhere else. Sure there will be disruptions to navigation and I suppose the power grid, but massive earthquakes?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on February 23, 2012, 05:59:04 PM
Doomsday Truckers....... That is all

How about ....


Ancient American Swamp Ice Aliens Prepping for the Coming Picker Trucker Pawn Star Doomsday

Got a ring to it, doncha think?

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: gobblerblaster on February 23, 2012, 06:04:07 PM
I would speculate and as was mentioned previously in this thread that prepping for us takes on a whole different meaning than it does for your average person. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the folks who believe that they have done "something" consider a Flashlight and FAK as a considerable amount of preparation.

I can't believe how many folks I have talked to that really don't realize the minimalist mentality that they really have. I know that there are not 25% of the population even in my State of Oklahoma that are ready for a 10 day long Ice Storm/Power Outage, let alone any type of major , long term disaster. Some might have a few jugs of water, a bag of rice and a case of Pork& Beans with a 22 rifle and a box of rounds and they think they are going to live off of the land for the rest. I'd say this show is probably making a few think but, the majority are just going to use this to paint us all into the same looney bin. I really do think that the Nat Geo bunch is having fun trying to stereotype preppers as a bunch of paranoid, dangerous idiots who are dangerous to themselves and society. I don't think they will go over one season at all. I wished someone would approach it from a sincere, possitive attitude.   I'll probably continue to watch for a while but, as I said before it appears to be headed for the archives to me.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on February 23, 2012, 06:20:28 PM
Here's a December article from the New York Times about the surprise success of the History Channel, an achievement they attained by changing their direction for content. Perhaps NatGeo is trying to copy their success??


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/business/media/now-in-top-tier-history-channel-struggles-to-stay-there.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print
 

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Channel’s Swift Rise Attracts Ads and Envy

December 18, 2011

By BRIAN STELTER
 

Last year, the History channel had a growth spurt, gaining hundreds of thousands of viewers while most of its competitors struggled to grow at all. This year, even more remarkably, the channel did it again.

...

The final ratings for 2011 will show that History, a unit of A + E Networks, attracted more middle-aged men than any other cable channel except ESPN. Among all prime-time viewers, History was No. 5 on cable this year, up from No. 8 last year.

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What History has is reality TV — and its success also attests to the success of documentary-style dramas and competitions featuring average people. Its biggest show for the last two years has been “Pawn Stars,” about a family that buys and sells watches, necklaces and artifacts. Just last week, History scheduled a spinoff, “Cajun Pawn Stars.” But the channel is also considering shows that may seem suited for TNT or even ESPN, like a “Hatfields and McCoys” mini-series and a jousting competition. The goal, it seems, is to steal market share from the other big boys.

History has been able to declare its “best year ever” for five years in a row because it took what could be seen as a radical turn away from its brand nearly five years ago. Originally a child of the A&E channel, History was known for World War II specials and documentary series like “Modern Marvels” when Ms. Dubuc arrived from A&E in January 2007. “We said to ourselves, we have to create appointment viewing TV,” she said. Six months later, an old episode of “Modern Marvels” about truck drivers became a series, “Ice Road Truckers,” and set ratings records for the channel. “Ice Road Truckers” gave confidence to the History staff and gave a signal to viewers and would-be producers that the channel was changing into something new and more explicitly entertaining. The channel’s slogan became “History Made Every Day.” For all the jokes about History ignoring the past, it worked. More men turn to the channel for what Ms. Dubuc sometimes calls “their version of romance television,” and more advertisers, too.

...






So, while SPIKE TV tried very hard to become the non-sports (non-ESPN) "Lifetime Channel for Men," the History Channel snuck up behind SPIKE and stole the crown from them.

NatGeo is TRYING to find a core audience. They might be grasping at straws here with shows like Doomsday Preppers.

 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Husker7.62 on February 25, 2012, 02:21:31 AM
I've watched all the episodes so far and i'm only impressed by the very first family with the school buses although imo when they "circle the wagons" move the buses to where the doors open in to the circle and make it more of a trapezoid rather than a square. The guy in LA had some different ideas but i agree with most everybody else that he was holding his cards close to his vest. The girl is an idiot and will be robbed and killed within the first 24 hours of her leaving her apartment. Why the hell is her bov so far away from her house. I liked the guy with the jeep and his two sons up until his dumbass blew his thumb off. the family with the wood splitter was okay but why was there only one person in charge of defense? If they are attacked and it's more than one or two the son is screwed and then so is the rest of the family. The germaphobe was stupid plain and simple. My wife even said that chick is stupid she has no food water or weapons and now everybody knows where her stuff is she's stupid. The hairnet and gown are redundant they won't have any actual effect in my opinion. if she is truly scared of a pandemic then she needs to have hazmat suits and quality gasmasks.

The show taken in small tidbits, I wanna try the pvc bow most of all, is entertaining and slightly funny. Taken as a whole it is going to give the left wing liberal media even more reasons to say how true preppers are crazy people and to try and take away our second amendment rights. I will continue to watch the show but i will do so with a jaded eye
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Ragnar on February 26, 2012, 06:05:32 PM
I believe that they showed the pandemic lady in her pantry or storage room and there was quite a bit of food on the shelves, it was just never discussed. Probably cut her short to get 3 in.

It is reality TV we all know that. There are interviews and postings from some of the people that were on the show and they al agree that they were no portrayed as they thought they would be.

But I have to say I read where something like 4.5M viewers turned in to make it the most viewed show on Nat Geo on a Tuesday.  I think I have harsher opinions than my co-workers who do not prep. They think the reasons given are hokey but they actually keep watching the show and commenting on how some things are a good idea. At least it has them thinking .

It is like we always say... can't believe tv and this is no exception.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: ICBM99 on February 28, 2012, 07:56:39 PM
To me tonight's episode seems to be much better. Not quite as "tin foil hat" as some of the earlier episodes.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nkawtg on February 28, 2012, 08:22:49 PM
The frontiersman who served up road kill was a bit much.
The silo was cool, I've always wanted to buy a retired silo.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: upstate on February 29, 2012, 01:49:04 AM
So does anyone know who the "experts" are?  Road kill, Yum, crushed guts in the meat ,pretenderized, double yum !
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on February 29, 2012, 05:59:11 AM
So does anyone know who the "experts" are?  Road kill, Yum, crushed guts in the meat ,pretenderized, double yum !

Practical Preppers LLC (http://www.practicalpreppers.com/ABOUT-PRACTICAL-PREPPERS/National-Geographic.html)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: endurance on February 29, 2012, 08:26:12 AM
I missed last week's episode, but I caught last night's episode.  I barely made it through last night's episode and I'm losing interest pretty quickly in the series in general.  When the last gal was lecturing to her three friends about how they should prep and all three were standing their with their arms crossed against their chests, it was clear how pointless her efforts were. 

The silo was cool, but seriously, what happens if he succeeds?  He gets 14 millionaires to buy condos, which are probably still on the old Soviet maps as targets, but even barring that, what good is a million dollar shelter with five years of food if tomorrow you lose your job?  Can you move in anytime you want and start eating your five years worth of dehydrated food?  Then what?  What if there is a TEOTWAWKI event and he has to live with 14 millionaires who've been pampered all their lives, never shot a gun, never bandaged a wound, never grown a carrot, and never fixed a broken generator?  Personally, I'll take my chances with my neighbors who've at least made an honest living all of their lives as nurses, dieticians, mechanics, engineers, and cops.  They may not have a million dollars, but in a SHTF, they have a lot more skills that they've practiced all their lives.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on February 29, 2012, 09:16:09 AM
The silo was cool, but seriously, what happens if he succeeds?  He gets 14 millionaires to buy condos, which are probably still on the old Soviet maps as targets, but even barring that, what good is a million dollar shelter with five years of food if tomorrow you lose your job?  Can you move in anytime you want and start eating your five years worth of dehydrated food?  Then what?  What if there is a TEOTWAWKI event and he has to live with 14 millionaires who've been pampered all their lives, never shot a gun, never bandaged a wound, never grown a carrot, and never fixed a broken generator?  Personally, I'll take my chances with my neighbors who've at least made an honest living all of their lives as nurses, dieticians, mechanics, engineers, and cops.  They may not have a million dollars, but in a SHTF, they have a lot more skills that they've practiced all their lives.

Good point . . .  That's just good common sense right there. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 29, 2012, 09:50:44 AM
The other night I was watching the episode where the dude shoots his thumb off with the Ruger 10/22.
My wife was half paying attention, but was shocked by this and started asking me a bunch of questions.  (she's not a big shooter)  She asked if my 10/22 could misfire and take my thumb off.  It was not immediately obvious that the bozo had placed his thumb over the muzzle, but after that became clear domestic tranquility and confidence was restored.

It's really pathetic that some of these "Serious" preppers are doing such dumb $#@! when casual preppers with seemingly normal lives know and act better.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on February 29, 2012, 09:51:01 AM
Practical Preppers LLC (http://www.practicalpreppers.com/ABOUT-PRACTICAL-PREPPERS/National-Geographic.html)

Wait a second. . .Were these the guys out in NC(?) who had the really nice farm just off the road?  The one where the guy talked about pulling his perimeter in every night while he hid under a truck topper covered with a camo net?  And then griped because he didn't think evacuating masses from the cities would target them since they were so close to the road.

Hmm.

Yeah.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: hillclimber on February 29, 2012, 01:03:16 PM
For some reason I thought the guy shot his thumb off with his Glock....I could be wrong.
I quit paying attention when he called it a "malfunction". ???
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 29, 2012, 01:06:27 PM
For some reason I thought the guy shot his thumb off with his Glock....I could be wrong.
I quit paying attention when he called it a "malfunction". ???

That's what set off my wife - she heard "gun malfunctioned... thumb blown off" - got paranoid and started interrogating me about gun safety.   >:(
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: endurance on February 29, 2012, 01:17:45 PM
That's what set off my wife - she heard "gun malfunctioned... thumb blown off" - got paranoid and started interrogating me about gun safety.   >:(
When I went through the academy, roughly 20 years ago they referred to an incident like that as an "Accidental Discharge" or AD.  Now my instructor has a much more usefual term for them, Neglegent Discharge or ND.  Seriously, there are some things in life that can't be avoided, there are some things that can be avoided, but there should be things you learn along the way that avoid the really painful lessons.  Proper practice of muzzle discipline, trigger discipline, and holstering techniques can save an enormous amount of pain and misery.

If you always assume a gun could go off at any time for no reason at all and never point it at anything you can't afford to replace, it can go a long way toward prevention.  That's why I made a promise to myself when I got my CCW that I'd take one class a year, be it advanced or basic, just so I could have a trained instructor watch me and break any bad habits before they become costly.
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Post by: Shaunypoo on February 29, 2012, 01:55:53 PM
That's why I made a promise to myself when I got my CCW that I'd take one class a year, be it advanced or basic, just so I could have a trained instructor watch me and break any bad habits before they become costly.

+1  I am getting my CCW this year and will incorporate that.  Thank you for being responsible.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 29, 2012, 02:11:20 PM
That's why I made a promise to myself when I got my CCW that I'd take one class a year, be it advanced or basic, just so I could have a trained instructor watch me and break any bad habits before they become costly.

The private range I belong to has a variety of safety and marksmanship courses for nominal cost.  I've taken a handful of those, and an Appleseed shoot, but really should save up for a proper defensive course.  My state is "shall issue" with no training requirements for CCW.  I have to admit I got my CCW to avoid the full NICS check and waiting periods for new gun purchases.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: endurance on February 29, 2012, 03:23:32 PM
The private range I belong to has a variety of safety and marksmanship courses for nominal cost.  I've taken a handful of those, and an Appleseed shoot, but really should save up for a proper defensive course.  My state is "shall issue" with no training requirements for CCW.  I have to admit I got my CCW to avoid the full NICS check and waiting periods for new gun purchases.
Since getting my CCW I've taken an NRA Basic Handgun Safety Class, John Farnam's Basic/Intermediate Handgun class, and John Farnam's Urban Rifle class.  This year I'm already registered for a five and a half day Jeff Cooper-styled General Pistol course offered through a local shop.  Admittedly, I really enjoy taking classes, especially from John.  I like learning new things, I like the comradarie of others with a similar mindset, and I appreciate the value of getting the simulated stress of testing under pressure to perform flawlessly every time.

I have yet to make it through a class where I haven't received a scolding at some point for trigger finger or muzzle discipline, despite well over a hundred hours of firearms training dating back to 1988.  That alone tells me I need to continue the practice of getting regular training.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: PistolWhipped on February 29, 2012, 06:50:44 PM
Loading a gun, putting your thumb in front of the muzzle, and pulling the trigger is not a "misfire" or "AD".  It's a careless dumbass.

Caught an episode on a friends cable a while back.  I think they are just trying to make us look nuts.   First they laugh at you, then they attack you.  Then we win.

Seriously, they had some people who build a compound out of shipping crates, had busses for BOVs, and 15 or 20 years worth of food for over 2 dozen people.  They everything they showed had that "look how out there these folks are" vibe. 

The guy who planned to live off of local flora in the event of an emergency was alright, and his knowledge of primitive skills was great.  But he was too muck of an LA hippe "people will all get along" type.

And the chick with the 45 pound BOB who planned to pop her cat in the brain if there was an event.  Respect she has training (fitness, weapons, etc), but she basically decided to kill what is almost a member of the family based on what she read online.  Something ain't right there.  Basically refused to plan ahead for that at all.

Most of them are either WAY out there or too selective in their preps.  Prepping for a single event.  I want to see a middle of the road type on this show.  Got some extra food, some good tools and skills, and a level head, with a life outside of "Doomsday Prepping".

But if they did that, some people might look at it and go "you know, that makes sense."  Can't have that.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: LJH on March 01, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
Don't have a TV, but from reading through the comments it appears that what misfired here was the dude's brain. But what strikes me as maybe more important - in an actual down & dirty SHTF scenario, how useful is someone who freakin' faints at the sight of blood?

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: hillclimber on March 01, 2012, 11:43:59 AM
Don't have a TV, but from reading through the comments it appears that what misfired here was the dude's brain. But what strikes me as maybe more important - in an actual down & dirty SHTF scenario, how useful is someone who freakin' faints at the sight of blood?
I really hate to defend the guy, but I believe he was in shock.

Watched this week's show last nite. The roadkill guy was here in Maine?? Great, more nuts...
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: ttubravesrock on March 01, 2012, 02:42:00 PM
I thought what happened was this (still irresponsible gun-handling, but not as bad).

Son is firing gun
Gun misfires
Dad grabs gun from son holding the muzzle end
Bullet fires
Dad's thumb is still in front of the barrel

That isn't as sensationalized as "CRAZY PREPPER SHOOTS HIS OWN THUMB OFF!!!!"
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 01, 2012, 03:44:42 PM
I thought what happened was this (still irresponsible gun-handling, but not as bad).

Son is firing gun
Gun misfires
Dad grabs gun from son holding the muzzle end
Bullet fires
Dad's thumb is still in front of the barrel

That isn't as sensationalized as "CRAZY PREPPER SHOOTS HIS OWN THUMB OFF!!!!"


Dear prepper bozo from tv,

For the cost of one of those Ruger BX-25 magazines an NRA safety course would have taught you about hang fires, and how to deal with them safely.

Your's truly,

Millions of gun owners who didn't shoot their thumbs on national TV.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: hillclimber on March 01, 2012, 03:57:42 PM
agreed.
I couldn't tell what really happened. Damn editing...
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Husker7.62 on March 05, 2012, 11:54:45 PM
I believe that they showed the pandemic lady in her pantry or storage room and there was quite a bit of food on the shelves, it was just never discussed. Probably cut her short to get 3 in.


I didn't see anything other than one case of bottled water. I could have easily missed it as i was sharpening a few knives at the time but her ideas still seem really dumb to me
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Serenity Gulch on March 08, 2012, 07:03:16 AM
Watched the first few minutes of the new show "Doomsday Bunkers" last night. I got really nervous when I saw the name of the company owned by one of the customers of the bunker company - 88 Tactical. In certain circles the number 88 is shorthand for a white supremicist group. H is the 8th letter of the alphabet so 88 is code for Heil Hitler. Just what the prepper movement needs is to be associated with a bunch of neo-Nazi types.  :-\
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: endurance on March 08, 2012, 09:07:12 AM
An occasional positive article (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scott-hunt-wants-help-prepare-doomsday-185542094.html) does come out of all this.  As usual, the comments are the best part of an article like this.  Wow, lots of grasshoppers in this world.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on March 08, 2012, 09:38:40 PM
Did anyone catch the promo for Doomsday Preppers with the goofy jingle? You can't say they're not making fun of them now.
As far as the most recent episode what's up the guy worried about nuclear fallout having younger guy call him sir?

I caught the Doomsday Bunkers show tonight. They don't seem to painting preppers in a bad light or at least not yet. Very interesting catch Gulch about the 88 reference. I didn't even think about it when I watched the show. Now there are other references to 88 outside of the Nazi realm and there is even a Maverick 88 tactical shotgun so there maybe a different side of the story. I submitted an inquiry to the company to find out more.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: JerseyVince on March 08, 2012, 10:27:49 PM
Maybe they got the "88" from their address © 2011 88 Tactical  |  3880 South 149th Street, Ste 108 • Omaha, NE 68144

 :D
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: FrugalFannie on March 09, 2012, 05:21:09 AM
Maybe they got the "88" from their address © 2011 88 Tactical  |  3880 South 149th Street, Ste 108 • Omaha, NE 68144

 :D

Maybe it's just the start of a toll free number. 1-800 isn't the only one out there. 877, 888, are a couple I have heard.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on March 09, 2012, 08:41:18 AM
Now there are other references to 88 outside of the Nazi realm and there is even a Maverick 88 tactical shotgun so there maybe a different side of the story. I submitted an inquiry to the company to find out more.

It will be interesting to see what they reply if anything, but I hope you did not give the editors more 'ammo'.

I also noted the new jingle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfW_LWOmnb0 What looked to be some promise in a cool show on the pilot, they are now turning into a old fashioned freak show. Even wiki states for a modern freak show "The entertainment appeal of the traditional "freak shows" is arguably echoed in numerous programmes made for television...."

I am not impressed. I am disappointed in National Geo, disappointed in the editors and disappointed in the demographics of the people who the Nielson rating people contacted to sway the show http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_ratings That means the people who are grasshoppers are swaying an ant show. "Reality TV" is the new gladiators http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiators and public hangings where people used to bring picnics and the whole family.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Shaunypoo on March 09, 2012, 08:54:25 AM
I agree Cedar.  The whole "American Outliers" is giving me a bad feeling.  They are purposely isolating preppers and lumping them in with others who they feel are outside of the mainstream.  In this day and age of instant gratification with everyone being almost constantly plugged in, how can anyone define what mainstream is anymore?  I haven't watched the show in a few weeks and if I find a few minutes to waste, I might peruse one or two I have DVR'd, but I just don't see any upside to it anymore.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on March 09, 2012, 11:08:09 AM
I also noted the new jingle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfW_LWOmnb0





Face.




Palm.   




















Head.




Desk.






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Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on March 09, 2012, 11:42:56 AM
I was annoyed at the Dr. Pepper/Doomsday Prepper jingle commercial, but mostly because I posted this as my banner in November 12, 2010...

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4025/5168339903_522169c9f4.jpg)

An easy inference, especially since the Dr. Prepper podcast has been out there for years... Or are they trolling the TSP forums? *insert sinister music here*  :o
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on March 09, 2012, 11:59:05 AM
I was annoyed at the Dr. Pepper/Doomsday Prepper jingle commercial, but mostly because I posted this as my banner in November 12, 2010...

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4025/5168339903_522169c9f4.jpg)

An easy inference, especially since the Dr. Prepper podcast has been out there for years... Or are they trolling the TSP forums? *insert sinister music here*  :o

Sue them!!!! Normally i would not say that, but they are seriously annoying me.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: endurance on March 09, 2012, 12:18:21 PM
Sue them!!!! Normally i would not say that, but they are seriously annoying me.

Cedar
Yeah!  They infringed on your copywrite infringement!
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on March 09, 2012, 12:24:16 PM
Yeah!  They infringed on your copywrite infringement!
[/quote

Hey, why not?  :o

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on March 09, 2012, 01:04:25 PM
Just got a reply from 88 tactical

Quote
We have had quite a few inquiries on this over the past couple days.  I can assure you that "88" is in no way a nazi reference.  Our founder, Shea Degan, is a former police officer in the State of Nebraska.  In the Nebraska police code, "Signal 88" stands for "Situation Secure."  That is where we derived the "88" in our company name.
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Post by: pokeshell on March 09, 2012, 01:05:00 PM
Honestly guys, watching it with my wife, I think they are still finding their niche.  The show swing wildly from crazy folk to people that have legit businesses. They are getting lots of viewers, and I think, they will side more with showing us in a positive light, vs. a show like hoarders. They have a legit name brand in the worlds eye, and many people are going back to the roots.  Canning, crocheting, farming, gardens, brewing all stuff our grand parents and some of our parents did. I think the show will swing more towards showing the positive light, or they will spin a similar show that does. I have 2 DVR'ed versions of all the episodes recorded (not by plan they had a marathon, and my DVR sucks). I have noticed, that they are changing the editing of already created shows. Just little tweaks, but the new versions seem lees anti prepper. I took the little jingle they made to be kind of a positive, but still a little goofy. I bet by season 4 it shows us as smart people, not the goofy ones.

Does anyone agree with me? Is it possible there is regional editing?

Just one more observation. In the advertisement leading up to the show with the guy with the awesome shelter at 12,000 feet, they showed him rowing his cart around a pond. In the show however, they talked about it being quite useful. Even showing he had tested it with some super long hike. But, then the "experts poo poo'ed it."

So, they did shine him in pretty good light for about 90%, but then gave him bad reviews eventhough he already had tested work abounds for what they said were his deficiencies. He made a great point that most people could not even muster up an attack at 12,000 feet without getting out of breath.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on March 09, 2012, 01:20:37 PM
I bet by season 4 it shows us as smart people, not the goofy ones.

I hope you are right. It sure seems on the 'other reality shows', they just get more and more silly each season to keep the ratings up. Probably not on the regional editing, too much extra money and time involved.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on March 09, 2012, 05:08:55 PM
Just got a reply from 88 tactical

I like that answer if it's true (I'm sure it is) and it's a cool meaning for a company preparing preppers, but only Nebraska police officers know what it means. . . .  You know how an "inside" joke is only funny to the people on the inside? . . .  Well, nuff said.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: res2cue on March 09, 2012, 06:06:32 PM
Watched the first few minutes of the new show "Doomsday Bunkers" last night. I got really nervous when I saw the name of the company owned by one of the customers of the bunker company - 88 Tactical. In certain circles the number 88 is shorthand for a white supremicist group. H is the 8th letter of the alphabet so 88 is code for Heil Hitler. Just what the prepper movement needs is to be associated with a bunch of neo-Nazi types.  :-\

and he is a retired police officer  :o
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on March 09, 2012, 06:08:04 PM
Yeah!  They infringed on your copywrite infringement!

I'm fully protected under the concept of satire, but they sniped my snark!  ;D

I'm glad the 88 issue was resolved. I had to break the 88 white supremacy tie in news to a client a couple of years ago when they came to me about an advertising campaign they were about to start. The client had only picked the number because he earned his doctorate that year and was quite shocked. We then went through a ton of different numbers before we could find one that didn't seem to have any attached meaning or that wasn't a registered trademark of another company. It's a minefield out there.

An occasional positive article (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scott-hunt-wants-help-prepare-doomsday-185542094.html) does come out of all this.  As usual, the comments are the best part of an article like this.  Wow, lots of grasshoppers in this world.
I read through the comments, they are both amusing and disturbing.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: gundog on March 09, 2012, 07:51:47 PM
The shows are kinda crappy......but I have already had quite a few conversations because of it. I had a chance to straighten out people.....who easily understood like all reality shows they try to make people look the worst. Some of the people find something interesting in there though I think.....and want to talk about it....which is good.

shrugs.....I still wish it was about "normal" preppers....LOL whatever that is.
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Post by: The Sage of Monticello on March 09, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
I am concerned National Geographic is framing the issue of preparedness as "Doomsday" alarmists are nut jobs. In fact, the show often ends with the alleged experts claiming the possibility for the specific doomsday event the prepper is preparing against is statistically impossible.

Moreover, the preppers that have agreed to sell themselves to National Geographic are violating fundamental principles of OPSEC.

The shows are almost comical. Wait till you see the seed guy, where the guy agrees to get into a car with strangers from a craigslist type ad and has a shootout in the middle of nowhere. Ridiculous.

Now they have Doomsday Bunkers out.
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Post by: Cedar on March 09, 2012, 08:33:01 PM
The shows are almost comical. Wait till you see the seed guy, where the guy agrees to get into a car with strangers from a craigslist type ad and has a shootout in the middle of nowhere. Ridiculous.

He was silly on multiple levels. But to solve his 5 minutes out of the freezer dilemma... stick the whole duffel bags in the freezer. I bet he has enough room from looking at those shelves.

Cedar - who was only slightly envious that he had more varieties than my 620.

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Post by: FrugalFannie on March 09, 2012, 09:20:37 PM
He was silly on multiple levels. But to solve his 5 minutes out of the freezer dilemma... stick the whole duffel bags in the freezer. I bet he has enough room from looking at those shelves.

Cedar - who was only slightly envious that he had more varieties than my 620.

That's exactly what I said to my son when w saw seed man. (the part about the duffels)
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Post by: nelson96 on March 09, 2012, 10:05:39 PM
What did you think about the "seed man" getting stuck out with his new buddy he met on CL and found himself in a fire fight with the guy?  There has to be something more to that story when they said no charges were made because of contradicting stories.  He seemed a little off to me, but I did like his seed stores.
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Post by: LICountryBoy on March 10, 2012, 04:53:58 PM
Did anybody else catch the remark about preppers go to local gun ranges so they can shoot at human shaped targets?
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Post by: Nicodemus on March 10, 2012, 05:22:39 PM
I thought the very same thing about leaving the seeds in the duffel bag in the refrigerator. I can't imagine why it hasn't occurred to the guy to do that himself if he practices as often as he suggests.

The story the seed guy told about craigslist was highly suspect to me especially when it came to light that no charges were filed. I must admit that his demeanor turned me off. I was not surprised in the update to hear that he had lost his prepping friend that had been in the segment with him.

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Post by: Cedar on March 10, 2012, 09:12:05 PM
I was not surprised in the update to hear that he had lost his prepping friend that had been in the segment with him.

I was not surprised either.

Cedar
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Post by: Cedar on March 11, 2012, 03:20:36 PM
Ok, there might be some redeeming factors for this show....

Yesterday or the day before, a lady I met at the beekeepers association meeting a couple days before Seedy Saturday called me. Somehow we talked about hiking at the meeting and I gave her my number. She called me about what all Seedy Saturday was since she had to miss it, and then she brought up the "Doomsday Prepper's" show. Of course I immediately cringed. Yes, she had all the wrong ideas and was starting to want to do some things that they made me cringe over, but I bit the bullet and told her I was sort of a prepper, but am a homesteader and what I do. She almost cried and said she never thought she would find someone of like minds. She had wanted to 'get on board' for years, read tons and never made a baby step as she is pretty much raising 6 kids on her own after her husband left them.

So I broke my new rule of staying quiet about what I do and said I would teach her whatever she wanted to know. In a way it is a bit selfish, as in alot of ways it is so much easier having an extra pair of hands. I assigned her homework already of collecting bakery buckets and invited her to go to gleaners with me this week (in her own car). I started her on food as they are hungry part of the month and getting a pantry happening is self-empowering. She is interested in this point of even learning summer survival skills, shelter making, making fire and the like. I hope she is as much of a sponge to learn as she sounds. I know one of her boys, as I shared an orange between SP and him at the bee meeting and he was a nice kid.

So maybe this darn show is a catalyst into getting people to be ants. I will get to know her a bit more and then invite her to TSP.

Cedar
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Post by: FrugalFannie on March 11, 2012, 05:23:26 PM
Good job Cedar. This community is so full of people like you. Us noobs need people like you and HerbalPagan and others as we do often times feel like we are the only ones having thoughts like this and have nobody to learn from. I like that you are givning her assignments to see if she is really interested in helping herself.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: endurance on March 12, 2012, 10:54:11 AM
I actually met the guy from Silverthorne that builds the steel underground shelters this fall when he was giving tours of his products.  Impressive stuff, but way too spendy for my taste.  His set up really impressed me (although the hand-pulled cart was a bit silly to me when he could just buy mountain bikes with trailers during the summer or set up tobagans to tow when skiing in during the winter), but the location is a bit daft.  I suspect it's on the Alma side of Hoosier Pass which is a notoriously cold area and at 11k', he's sure not going to be growing anything there... or within a two day's walk for that matter.

Sometimes when I'm watching shows like this I see myself before Jack; what do you think is going to happen to food production after a year if all you have is stored food and don't know anything about gardening?  There's so few of these folks that have the complete picture and certainly, it's made me look at some of my vulnerabilities to some of the more extreme scenarios (no underground shelter available).  Jack has helped me focus outside the shelter mentality and consider the value of simple things, like a good kit in your car, a flashlight in you pocket, a garden so you can control where at least some of your food comes from, and a savings account that can pull you through some hard times.

All of us have our blindspots, but I think this community does a pretty good job of reflecting a bit of light into the darker corners...  Better than any TV show ever could...
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Post by: The Sage of Monticello on March 13, 2012, 11:41:09 PM
Very suspicious of the show. I noticed the references by the show to the United Nations statistics in tonight's show. In addition, the advertising targeted preppers on flood insurance only available through our friendly neighborhood FEMA.

I'm not kidding.

I was rather disturbed by the hippies on the show tonight singing about how they are all going to die.

Not the most flattering image of preppers, and it appears that is the intended message by the producers to show preppers in poor light. I mean seriously handing your son his preserved Umbilical cord as a sign he has achieved manhood independence is bizarre.

This show is starting to irritate me.
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Post by: Shaunypoo on March 14, 2012, 06:20:49 AM
I mean seriously handing your son his preserved Umbilical cord as a sign he has achieved manhood independence is bizarre.

You didn't do that?  I am pretty sure just about everyone on this site has done that.









 ;)
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Post by: Cedar on March 14, 2012, 07:51:07 AM
There is actually a fair bit of people who save the umbilical cord and/or stump, especially if it was a homebirth. More people then you would guess actually bury the placenta from their child with a newly planted tree as well. My friend did that, named their daughter Bevin and I found them an apple tree variety named "Bevin". So saving an umbilical cord in sage and other materials like a smudge stick doesn't actually freak me out too much.

Cedar
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Post by: Shaunypoo on March 14, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
I have a couple of friends who have done that.  We contemplated saving it for storage for the stem cells, but it was prohibitively expensive.
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Post by: Cedar on March 14, 2012, 08:10:31 AM
I have a couple of friends who have done that.  We contemplated saving it for storage for the stem cells, but it was prohibitively expensive.

I was going to donate SP's for cord blood for people with cancer and such, but it was INSANE in Canada where I was to even try to donate it.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nkawtg on March 14, 2012, 09:36:25 AM
The 2nd and 3rd episodes were not that good, especially the hippies, sort of wierded me out.
The previews with the spidy hole guy gave me the impression he was a nut, but after watching his segment I realized he had his stuff together.
I liked his root celler in the side of the hill. Made me wish I had a hillside.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on March 14, 2012, 09:53:28 AM
I can see a lot of folks getting weirded out by the former Ranger(?) teaching some of his skills to young people, but for me it harkened back to something similar that I participated in when I was a teenager.

We never jumped into a moving truck though. lol

I can also see some folks rolling their eyes at the lady in the second segment and her particular reasoning for prepping, but I've run across tons of people doing the same thing for similar reasons, and we do have a long thread here in the forums dedicated to intuition, so...

The third segment I found rather humorous and fun. Though the hippie dude said he wasn't going to show his weapons, there were at least three separate shots during the show where rifles could be seen hanging on the walls of various rooms. In the main room there was a rack with a few rifles on it. I think they were really hamming up the drum circle there. I've hung out with quite a few people who were similar in many ways, including the passing of a talking stick and who had daily music gatherings, but it was never as corny.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on March 14, 2012, 09:56:51 AM
I watched this show like ONCE — and forgive me if I am regurgitating something that was already said in this thread...

But is there anything useful one can gain by watching this show?

I only saw the episode where that stupid dingbat father took his kids out to shoot guns and shot his thumb off. I could not find one redeeming quality from the show in terms of ideas etc and to me it only seems to make "preppers" look like a bunch of foolish idiots.

I mean... It's almost like the whole thing is scripted.

DUH!!! DON'T PUT YOUR THUMB OVER THE BARREL OF A LOADED RIFLE... DINGBAT...

And now they have all these copycat shows they have to put out like they do with everything now!!! (How many GD Pawn Shop shows can they HAVE on TV?????)

I saw a preview for "Doomsday Bunkers" LMFAO... OK... Now everyone who is prepared has a BUNKER instead of a home.

Just a bunch of propaganda BS and i'm not even going to bother reading the thread because that's all I have to say about these stupid shows on TV. So forgive me if I just said what everyone else is saying LOL.
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Post by: Adam B. on March 14, 2012, 10:00:32 AM
One more point — I can't take any "prepper" seriously who wants to get all up on the TV and show the entire world what he/she has in their preparedness collection anyway.

Isn't part of being prepared keeping your MOUTH SHUT about how much preparation you have done?

I guess its fine with ME because when TSHTF it will be THEIR houses being raided by the "golden horde" while nobody will be bothering me and I can eat my filet mignon in peace.
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Post by: Cedar on March 14, 2012, 10:43:54 AM
Isn't part of being prepared keeping your MOUTH SHUT about how much preparation you have done?

Yes and no. If I kept my mouth shut, there would not be little over 1,200 people who had been given seeds and taught how to plant and save seed from them over the last 5 years. Whether they followed through or not I have no clue, but I know 10 people in 5 years have and they are now teaching others and bringing seed back to share. I know if I had kept my mouth shut, there would be 8 less people who know how to milk a goat and 20 less people who know how to make a basic cheese. I know by telling that I canned up 650 jars of food in 2011, that I have inspired at least 5 other people into waterbath and pressure canning this year, and I know they are canning alot and different types of food as I am always getting phone calls from them to double check on things. I know if I had not said anything, there would be 6 less people who know how to butcher hogs, 12 less people who know how to raise and butcher rabbits. I know by telling people about my solar dehydrator I have gotten 2 other people who want to build them, including the guy at the hardware store when I was there for another project and got to talking about the dehydrator as my last project. The other day I told a group of people that I stored 110 gallons of water when something came up at a party regarding water and now I have money from them to pick up 10 water barrels so they will be storing 375 gallons of water for their family (I have a truck, they don't).

Am I making myself a target. Maybe. In the last 16 years of teaching people, did I maybe get people on a new path even if it was for one little thing, like making alfalfa sprouts in their kitchen? Probably. Last month or so I resolved to start being shush about it, but then I met a lady who needs to learn from me, as her family of 7 is hungry part of the month, so how can I stay shush? For 16+ years I have been safe telling people about my way of living. Yes, I feel that that margin of safety is less than it was even a year ago, but at this point I am willing to take the risk still.

Would I go on a show like that DP? If I was still up in Canada I might. I would ask for final review after editing or they could not show my segment. If they said no and it was not in writing, they would not be allowed to film me. In many ways I would like to do it, so as to possibly offset the weirdness factor of it, although I myself dance to a different drummer than most of society (but nothing like that LSD inspired looking dance the hippy underground peeps were doing).

Would I show everything I had for preps? No. I don't even tell you guys all that I do, although I am pretty open about what my lifestyle is. Just like that lady with the 6 kids whose husband abandoned them who I have taken under my wing to teach, she had no resource to learn from and she practically was crying on the phone when I said I could teach her. The non-preppers who are watching the DP show and want to start 'prepping' may also have no other source to learn from. The more that people learn and do for themselves, keeps them from panicing if a SHTF scenario happened and there may be less issues with other people to us 'real' preppers. Is it a gamble? Maybe. Might I be able to get some other people of like mind and on board to possibly have a 'prepper community' with.. very possible.

I would certainly watch what I say on the show even when the cams were not rolling and am well aware how they could edit things. I would not say anything which I would not say in front of my mother or a 4-H kid/parent. Do I pick the show apart.. Yeah.. and even make popcorn to watch the show with *LOL*. Has anyone here written NatGeo to tell them to get "NORMAL PREPPERS" on the show and leave the theatrics for "Gene Simon's Family Jewel's" or "The Bachelor". Maybe Clint Eastwood's new reality show will make way for a new reasonable type of 'reality show' and he will make my day. I have a bit of time today and it is raining, so I will sit down and write to the producers of DP and make myself feel better I sent in my opinion of the show.

Their ratings must be up however as I noted they are looking for preppers for season 2. And as much as that show wants to make me pull my hair out, as I stated yesterday or the day before, maybe it will get people thinking, researching more and on the path to becoming more self sufficient.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on March 14, 2012, 12:26:59 PM
Helping and sharing with people in person or even on a message board is definitely not as bad as opening up your house and storage spaces for the whole world of Natty Geo viewers to see LOL.

I don't want to be walking down the street having random people saying "Hey! There's that guy with 10 years of food in his basement we saw on TV last week!"

But it sure beats "Hey, there's that ding dong who shot his thumb off on TV last week!"

I don't even understand how they can get these people to go on TV like that "Hoarders" show — or these shows with the rejects of society that dress up like babies and sleep in giant cribs, or eat toilet paper, etc etc... I mean... If these fellas ALREADY had a hard time picking up chicks — I can't imagine being the star of one of those shows would do them any good.

And YES they do ratchet up the drama on these shows so bad for the dumbest things... Like that stupid show with the idiots digging for gold in Alaska...

Someone drops a wrench in the mud and all of a sudden — "DUH DUH DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH!!!!!" (cue up dramatic music) and show someone who got angry about something else earlier in the day spliced into the edit and then cut to commercial to make a whole bunch of drama about nothing.
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Post by: Adam B. on March 14, 2012, 12:35:45 PM
It is a good thing that you share your knowledge with those around you Cedar, but it sounds to me like you actually impact people's lives in a personal way when you do.

On the other hand, with these stupid prepper shows — I've heard non-preppers talking about them and the only purpose all those shows are for is entertaining the masses by putting some "weirdos" on TV for everyone to make fun of.

Of course the more people who are prepared and can take care of themselves the less likely they are going to be a problem for YOU when TSHTF. In your case, I would assume you've made quite a few friends who are going to have your back in that kind of a situation.

Sure, if a couple of people watch those dumb shows and learn something from it cool beans.

But when I see the previews and they are all saying "I'm preparing for the end of the Mayan Calendar" while wearing their freakin' gas masks...

Come on...

I did see a preview where the dude said he was preparing for a financial collapse which is the most "normal" one I've seen, but then again he was running around in cammo with an assault rifle so... Once again... Ain't gonna do no good getting the American idiots to take you seriously there dog...
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Post by: Cedar on March 14, 2012, 12:42:05 PM
In your case, I would assume you've made quite a few friends who are going to have your back in that kind of a situation.

Actually no, I live too far from anyone really to have community if needed. Like when I was in Canada, the people I taught to butcher hogs were from Georgia and Washington State. Archer is the closest to me who is a prepper that I know of. I am used to being alone and doing stuff however, so if I am solitary it is ok, but community will be like icing.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on March 14, 2012, 12:55:17 PM
Livin' the dream man! Neighbors are highly overrated LOL. I can't stand mine whatsoever in our current situation. The lack thereof is what I am looking for whenever I am able to buy some land away from the city.

When "TSGD" I would assume there will be a way to keep in touch electronically with the preppers online.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Shaunypoo on March 14, 2012, 01:02:30 PM
In every segment of the population there is a portion that wants some degree of attention or recognition.  I do want someone to tell me that the path I am on is the right path, but that is just human nature.  That is one of the reasons I come here, to get some degree of confirmation that what I am doing is right.  I would never delude myself into thinking that I don't have this base human urge for acceptance, but just not to the degree that the people on the show do.   Also, some of them have businesses based on prepping and probably saw it as another way to advertise.
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Post by: Cedar on March 14, 2012, 01:14:57 PM
Livin' the dream man! Neighbors are highly overrated LOL. I can't stand mine whatsoever in our current situation. The lack thereof is what I am looking for whenever I am able to buy some land away from the city.

When "TSGD" I would assume there will be a way to keep in touch electronically with the preppers online.

WAS living the dream. Due to the economy I had to sell out and move back to the States. Down here no one close is of the 'prepper' mentality. I would not count on electronics to necessarily work. Like when I was in disaster areas when I did SAR, long distance would often work, but local, including 911 wouldn't.

Cedr
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on March 14, 2012, 01:33:33 PM
Yeah the economy sure did put a damper on many of our lives, mine included. The light at the end of my tunnel ended up being a freight train that knocked my ass back to the other end of the tunnel only to have to try and get through it all over again.

In the end though, the positives I can say about it are that I am probably MORE prepared NOW than I would be today had we still been living in the days when jobs were easy to come by. At the same time I am much less stupid with money, but even that won't help me undo what I did when I WAS stupid with money...

To bring this back to the TV show topic — I would LOVE to see a GOOD show about how to handle your money — or taking someone with an impossible debt and watching them get OUT OF IT — and showing how they DID IT...

I mean — if they can make a show about a bunch of people spending $.50 on $5,000 of groceries with EXTREME COUPONS — I can't see how this would make a bad show. I know that our BANKSTER OWNERS would not support it because their whole existence and fortunes revolve around the masses being in hopelessly in debt.

And no, I don't count that stupid B with the stupid leather clown outfits (Suze Orman) as the above idea. She is just condescending to people and is only useful for rich people to decide whether they should spend their money on a vacation or an addition to their house.

There is that one other guy who does a show like that who seems to be more for the "common man" I wish I knew the name of the show or the guy... The only thing I can even picture are the Lichtenstein-ish cartoon word balloon logos and graphics they use for the show intro etc. (my graphic designer's brain at work).

I would seriously like to see a show where they take someone who is hopelessly in debt and see someone pull out of it.

I mean they do shows about a bunch of idiots who can't throw away GARBAGE and get to be on TV where EVERYONE ELSE comes to clean up their damn house for them so why not???

I just need some sort of sob story so I can get a bunch of TV people to come rally my town behind me, send us on a nice vacation and build us a new house in a weekend LOL.
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Post by: endurance on March 14, 2012, 03:19:03 PM
In the end though, the positives I can say about it are that I am probably MORE prepared NOW than I would be today had we still been living in the days when jobs were easy to come by.

Just to dive back off topic again, that's an excellent point that was reinforced by a book I read a few weeks ago, The Age of the Unthinkable.  The best way to become more resilient is through many small to medium sized tests of a system to discover its vulnerabilities.  If a system goes entirely untested for a long period of times, a medium to large test of the system is likely to bring it down.

The example they used was Hezbollah.  Because of the constant pressure by the Israeli army and intellegence agencies, they've become more flexible, more resilient, and are harder to kill than ever.  The fact that they have strong ties to the communities they work in because of the charitable programs they run (from reconstruction to medical care), which has led to broad financial backing, and they operate their own media outlets has created an organization that cannot be stopped with any one strike by an army.

In any case, sometimes these semi-hard times are just what we need to test our systems and become better prepared. 

Did I want my boiler and hot water heater to go out this week?  No, but it has led me to cover vulnerabilities that I hadn't seen before and I'm better prepared today than I was a week ago.
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Post by: Oldhomestead on March 14, 2012, 03:58:40 PM
The 2nd and 3rd episodes were not that good, especially the hippies, sort of wierded me out.
The previews with the spidy hole guy gave me the impression he was a nut, but after watching his segment I realized he had his stuff together.
I liked his root celler in the side of the hill. Made me wish I had a hillside.

He did seem to have his stuff together although he was pretty defensive about the recommendations which I thought actually made sense. I wondered if he has tried hanging out in his spider holes for a full day and just how he expected to cover it up once he was inside.

And while preparing to fight a guerrilla war on your own property might be something worth planning, actually letting the bad guys take the property with the intent of taking it back seems to have some serious flaws. What if they are as tactical as you are? What if while running to your spider hole in the middle of the night you trip and break something? I'm hoping he had contingencies we didn't see because overall he seemed to have planned well.
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Post by: GearingUp on March 14, 2012, 07:29:06 PM
In response to some of what Adam B. has said. I'm not a huge 'fan' of the show, but we watch it. I went into watching just like I do any other reality show that is on t.v. now, and I don't watch many. The editing on these things distorts what actually happened that you just can't believe most of what you are seeing or what is being said. BUT, just the fact that this show exists is huge for me. Prepping is something that I've been wanting to do for a long time. But years ago dh and I agreed that we wouldn't be 'hoarders' like his mother and grandmother. Needless to say I was a bit worried of his reaction if I started preps. The first night we watched this show it opened up a whole new channel of communication for us (together 21 yrs, married 14) and my fears were laid to rest!! Now I'm (or should I say we) are on the right track and I'm feeling much better about our situation these days. Granted, we have a long way to go, and he merely goes to work while I take care of things at home...but Preppers we are =)...together. (And yeah, we shake our head while watching the show, A LOT! And no, we haven't discussed preps with anyone but as Cedar said, there are very good reasons for doing so and I don't think that means you have to divulge all that you are doing.) Besides, watching the show is what got me researching and that's how I found this fantastic site! Gotta love Jack and TSP!  ;D
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Post by: 16onRockandRoll on March 14, 2012, 07:48:00 PM
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Besides, watching the show is what got me researching and that's how I found this fantastic site! Gotta love Jack and TSP!  ;D

This.  This is one reason not to hate it.  And the fact that I have had numerous conversations open up because of the show.  It's too bad it is so sensationalized, but it's not all bad for us.
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Post by: Oil Lady on March 14, 2012, 07:50:41 PM
Dammit!  >:( >:( >:( >:(

Here's what the effing New York Times had to say about Doomsday Preppers -- and the Times writer, Neil Genzlinger, is ULTIMATELY smearing preppers in general, not the dispicable TV show that introduced him to the prepper community.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

In short, the NYT journalist bought into the EXACT stereotype we wanted to avoid! I only included six paragraphs from the article, but the dismissiveness and even contempt expressed by Neil Genzlinger of the prepper community is unavoidable. And now the word "preppers" has been irredeemably categorized by the most important newspaper in the USA as one synonymous with crazy people. 

Damn you, Alan Madison!  >:( >:( >:( >:( You now officially SUCK in my book!!   You're a smear-meister, Alan Madison, and you suck suck suck!! :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/arts/television/doomsday-preppers-and-doomsday-bunkers-tv-reality-shows.html?_r=1


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Critic’s Notebook
 
Doomsday Has Its Day in the Sun
 
By NEIL GENZLINGER -- March 11, 2012

There’s a new modifier on the TV grid, and we should all be afraid.  

Television has long been full of “Americans” (“American Restoration,” “American Chopper,” “American Hoggers”) and “Extremes” (“Extreme Marksmen,” “Extreme Makeover,” “Extreme Couponing”) and “Tops” (“Top Gear,” “Top Chef,” “Top Shot”). In recent weeks, though, an interloper has staked a claim: “Doomsday.”

Last month the National Geographic Channel introduced “Doomsday Preppers,” a Tuesday-night reality series about people who are stockpiling, arming and otherwise preparing for some kind of apocalypse. Last week it was the Discovery Channel’s turn. Its new “Doomsday Bunkers,” on Wednesday nights, is about Deep Earth Bunker, a company that builds underground getaways for the types of people seen in “Doomsday Preppers....”
 

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But the people on [Doomsday Preppers] and the customers of Deep Earth Bunker [who are seen on Doomsday Bunkers] are more alike than diverse. Who knows how representative these shows are of the prepper universe, but the people they feature are disproportionately white. They can’t speak for long without employing that cliché involving excrement and a fan. And whatever their religious beliefs might be, something “Preppers” doesn’t generally explore, most of them put their real faith in firearms.

“Preppers” and “Bunkers” are both full of footage of people firing or lovingly cradling their weaponry, which in many cases is frighteningly extensive. (You really don’t want the guy in last week’s “Preppers” living next door; in addition to a house full of ammunition, he has stockpiled 50 gallons of gasoline, an unsettling combination.) One notable exception was Kathy Harrison, a New England woman profiled on a recent “Preppers....”
 
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But the unmistakable impression left by these programs is that what these folks want most of all is not to protect their families — the standard explanation for why they’re doing what they’re doing — or even the dubious pleasure of being able to say to the rest of us, “See, I told you the world was going to end.” What they want is a license to open fire.

The number of bullets sprayed around in these shows, by adults and even their children, might give Rambo pause....









And it doesn't matter that Neil Genzlinger tossed in that one disclaimer about how he can't be sure if the folks who actually get to be seen on these shows are true representatives of the actual prepper community. It doesn't matter one iota that he said that. Because the part that DOES matter is everything else he said AFTER that.  THOSE are the images that Times readers will take away with their morning coffee after reading his reaction to these shows.


Damn you, NatGeo!  >:(



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Post by: Cedar on March 14, 2012, 07:57:05 PM
And the comment section is closed....

Cedar
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Post by: Cedar on March 14, 2012, 08:09:13 PM
Actually the 'pro preppers' who grade that weeks people are SOOOO off on their stats. They need to read the comments on that article to see that 45% of people are not storing any food for an emergency and that 51% of people think there will be an economic collapse. I have seen 2 'good' comments and alot of 'bad/mocking' ones.

Cedar
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Post by: Oil Lady on March 14, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
And the comment section is closed....

Cedar

I notiiced. :( 


But I did find one VERY good comment from a reader who identifies herself as a NYC resdident:

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Catherine Hooper  New York, NY

Bravo to Neil Genzlinger for getting it right. The producers of both of these shows called me looking for "talent" to feature, as I have a business focused on family safety and preparedness. But my clients, who are merely normal people that want to take sensible preparedness steps, were not what they were looking for. They were looking for people at the fringe to highlight and mock. What I find most offensive about these programs is that basic preparedness is not an extreme idea, but a good idea that can and has saved lives. Unfortunately, showcasing the extremists makes every one with some extra water and flashlights look as if they are joining a militia. It's totally irresponsible. But I guess that a show about real people who took rational steps before and during a crisis would not provide the opportunity for snarky Facebook comments.

March 12, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.


Maybe Jack should get in touch with this lady and compare notes with her as far as their mutual experiences with Nat Geo and that infuriating smear artist, Alan Madison.
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Post by: Cedar on March 14, 2012, 08:16:14 PM
Yep. Ask sis?

Cedar
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Post by: Cedar on March 14, 2012, 08:34:03 PM
Animal Planet has one who looks promising
http://animal.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=15.14743.134883.0.0

The pilot that aired is called “Meet the Preppers: My Pink Pistol”

Cedar
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Post by: DrJohn on March 14, 2012, 09:10:47 PM
I just watched the bunker show.  I have some issues.  One there is no second exit, if the first exit is blocked, you might as well just call yourself tuna fish in a can.  The second issue on the one they showed was how shallow it was burried.  If I really wanted in, I would dig down the six inches and cut a hole in the roof with my acetylene torch, then just put the muzzle of a gun in the hole and let the lead bounce around inside.  Then just enlarge the hole and your in.  I think there are some serious design issues Deep Earth needs to address before I would plop down 50k for one!
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Post by: The Professor on March 14, 2012, 11:32:52 PM
I just watched the bunker show.  I have some issues.  One there is no second exit, if the first exit is blocked, you might as well just call yourself tuna fish in a can.  The second issue on the one they showed was how shallow it was burried.  If I really wanted in, I would dig down the six inches and cut a hole in the roof with my acetylene torch, then just put the muzzle of a gun in the hole and let the lead bounce around inside.  Then just enlarge the hole and your in.  I think there are some serious design issues Deep Earth needs to address before I would plop down 50k for one!

LOL, why even go to that trouble?  Find the air intake vent and start pumping some anhydrous ammonia into it.  There are no NBC filters in existence which will remove it.

In less than 15 minutes, you'll have a shiny, new bunker.

Just sayin'

The Professor
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Post by: DrJohn on March 15, 2012, 05:43:53 AM
Well now chemical weapons,  a gas mask won't work against that?

I think a little black spray paint on that obvious periscope camera would be a good idea too.  I hope it was just for the show,  but I think that he needs a whole lotta camo on that thing and on the two large black pipes sticking up out of the ground.  Honestly he may have better served spending the money hardening his basement.  That thing could make a nice root cellar though.
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Post by: Shaunypoo on March 15, 2012, 07:03:26 AM
And the comment section is closed....

Cedar

There is a place at the bottom of the page to submit letters to the editor.  I personally find the whole article offensive and will be sending a strongly worded letter to the editor later in the day once I calm down and digest the article fully.  I believe we should inundate the editor with letters to ask for a fair and unbiased opinion, or a counter opinion.  Unfortunately they ask for it to be only 150 words, so choose wisely.
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Post by: Adam B. on March 15, 2012, 07:52:49 AM
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I just watched the bunker show.  I have some issues.  One there is no second exit, if the first exit is blocked, you might as well just call yourself tuna fish in a can.

LMFAO — I was channel flipping last night and saw that same stupid bunker show.

I thought the exact same thing — Say I buried my bunker on my land and we hid during a high wind storm (something that is an actual REALISTIC thing that may happen, not some GD zombie apocolypse or everyone from the city invading to steal your crap) — What the hell would you do if a tree fell onto the door, or a heavy branch?

I guess you'd live as long as you had food stored up!

As for writing nasty letters to the editor etc etc — they could care less. It all just feeds their ego because it just shows them they are accomplishing what they set out to do — and that is a bunch of leftists who want to find a bunch of primarily right wing nutjobs to make fun of on TV and move their gun grabbing agenda forward by making gun owners and NORMAL people who do what should be NORMAL things to stay prepared look like idiots who need to have their guns taken away and their food redistributed to those who don't want to work.
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Post by: jreb357 on March 15, 2012, 08:36:18 AM
I believe that some of the featured people on this show are not even preppers. I think the producers just went out and hired people to pose as preppers so they could complete an episode.  A good example is Becky Brown, the woman in Utah who has stocked an apartment in the state capital. She feels the closer she is to downtown, the safer she will be when the SHTF.  Anybody with any sense understands how stupid that is, and how quickly you would perish in the riots and savagery that will follow an economic collapse. That was staged all the way. If you think about it, there are other examples like this on these episodes.

jreb357
SurvivalDisasterPlan.com
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Post by: Shaunypoo on March 15, 2012, 08:44:27 AM
As for writing nasty letters to the editor etc etc — they could care less. It all just feeds their ego because it just shows them they are accomplishing what they set out to do — and that is a bunch of leftists who want to find a bunch of primarily right wing nutjobs to make fun of on TV and move their gun grabbing agenda forward by making gun owners and NORMAL people who do what should be NORMAL things to stay prepared look like idiots who need to have their guns taken away and their food redistributed to those who don't want to work.

I don't disagree with what you stated, but my opinion is that if you don't tell people you disagree with them, they will think they are right.  They will probably continue in their beliefs whether or not I write a letter, but that is not a reason not to do it.  And I would never write a nasty letter, I will write an intelligent and coherent diatribe that vehemently disagrees with the tone and substance of the article.  A pragmatic approach is always more effective than an off the cuff approach in this situation. 

But if you don't agree, then don't write a letter.
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Post by: Adam B. on March 15, 2012, 10:06:42 AM
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I don't disagree with what you stated, but my opinion is that if you don't tell people you disagree with them, they will think they are right.

I don't disagree either — I have written plenty of letters when I am pissed off... But they will still think they are right after they read your letter and just laugh at you — (as I think about Senator Bob Casey the narcoleptic who beat the crap out of Santorum)'s canned response letter about how the SOPA bill is good for us and I should shut up LOL.

Twitter or Facebook is much more productive. Just watching the marketing people at MY COMPANY get their panties in a bunch over ONE BAD COMMENT on Facebook or Twitter from someone shows that is much more effective than a letter nobody outside the company will read.

I have gotten MANY a helpful response MUCH faster and satisfactory by making one nasty comment about a company or someone on Twitter than I'd ever get by calling them on the phone or sending them a letter longer than the 150 characters or whatever the limit is on Twitter!

Times are a' changing :-)
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Post by: nelson96 on March 15, 2012, 06:36:14 PM
Twitter or Facebook is much more productive. Just watching the marketing people at MY COMPANY get their panties in a bunch over ONE BAD COMMENT on Facebook or Twitter from someone shows that is much more effective than a letter nobody outside the company will read.

There's the answer, if I had a twitter or facebook account . . . .  But really, from what I understand as to how they work, I'd bet that would be a pretty effective way to get the word out to the masses versus having it round filed.
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Post by: The Professor on March 15, 2012, 10:20:17 PM
Well now chemical weapons,  a gas mask won't work against that?

I think a little black spray paint on that obvious periscope camera would be a good idea too.  I hope it was just for the show,  but I think that he needs a whole lotta camo on that thing and on the two large black pipes sticking up out of the ground.  Honestly he may have better served spending the money hardening his basement.  That thing could make a nice root cellar though.

No, protective masks won't work against anhydrous ammonia.

My wife and I had a good, long talk about this idiot.  Simply put, he's just marketing to the panic and getting others to pay for his dream-home.  I think this guy's been around for a few years and he STILL doesn't have one of these things built.

Think of this. . .what's going to happen in that bunker when something needs done?  From what I understand, there's no staff. Who's going to unclog the toilets? What happens when they ARE attacked?  And anonymity and secrecy?  It takes a lot of workers to do what he's trying to do, even to get them to the current level of readiness.  What's he going to do post-TEOTWAWKI when those people show up outside the perimeter?  Wave the Non-Disclosure Agreement at them?

Oh, wait, he has a robotic gun. . .yeah. . .that's right.

What happens when those customers of his start demanding that he pony up for defense?  Does he really think all the rich people that bought into those bunkers are going to risk their lives? 

Better yet. . .I'd be more worried about a scam.  He gets a lot of "investors" who pay for this Doomsday Bunker. . .what's to say that when TSHTF, he's actually going to let them in?  Remember that Robotic Gun?  You can drive up the driveway and waive your super-secret code card and yell the pass-phrase all you want, but that don't mean he's going to let you in.

Wait, is he related to someone named Iggy?

The Professor
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Post by: Oil Lady on March 16, 2012, 02:31:16 PM
I just discovered a YouTube channel that goes by the user name "PeterPrepper."

http://www.youtube.com/user/PeterPrepper

He seems to be uploading ALL episodes of Doomsday Preppers and now Doomsday Bunkers.  These uploads are all less than a week old. But I fear his uploads might soon be deleted. (And I also fear he might get banned from YouTube.) But check out what he's got while you still can.



DISCLAIMER: I can't vouch for the rest of the content of PeterPrepper's YouTube channel. I haven't reviewed it all. (He may be a total jerk for all I know, *shrug*. Or he may be coolness on wheels. Decide for yourself.) I am merely pointing out that he has uploaded the episodes of the two new series that are the focus of this thread.



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Post by: MilSpecIA on March 17, 2012, 07:02:44 PM
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My wife and I had a good, long talk about this idiot.  Simply put, he's just marketing to the panic and getting others to pay for his dream-home.  I think this guy's been around for a few years and he STILL doesn't have one of these things built.

Ya I laughed at this show too, just like the "Preppers" one, because its so off base. Underground facilities are difficult to detect but the problem is once you DO locate one their immoveable and easily defeated. The choice becomes for those inside do you want to die in a can, or outside. With only one air vent those things are just coffins. I laughed so hard when the guy said he was going to use his personal bunker as a schoolhouse then would not let anyone inside during a SHTF scenario. Great guy. Moreover since when you do a boolean search for his company the first eight returns for "88 Tactical" stem from the Stormfront website, one dedicated to white supremacy. This combined with his appearance, demeanor, son's named "Klaus", and all his tactical classes were white really threw up some flags for me. It's ok, like the Prof said he'll get a little "love you" package down the air pipe and once he comes out to do something will get picked off. Although I doubt anhydrous ammonia would be in ready supply, gas or other flammable liquids will likely be more available. Also the Romans had some great method too. Then you just seal the pipe and wait, folks gotta breathe sooner or later.

As for the robotic gun turrent on the same "Bunkers" episode...yet another laughable moment. The military has already gone down this road and what they found is that for the 5.56 platform in a remote platform you need some serious stabilization factor involved. The recoil from the weapon cycling is enough to screw up the weapon/optic zero otherwise. It gets worse the larger caliber you use, which is why all the big guns on armored vehicles have huge remote weapon systems; it's mostly electronics, stabilization, and autoloaders. Although the flamethrower concealed as a handrail in a later episode was good.

Basically, what I take from these shows is its entertainment only. There is little accurate representation. And the fact that some of those featured in "Preppers" and "Bunkers" get upset at how they are portrayed and then complain is amazing because they still took NatGeo's money! They sold their rights to be featured on the show, end of issue.

I wouldn't put too much into the editorials by the NYT and WSJ as bastions of empirical truth. Their about as liberal and progressive as any other east coast institution (shy of anything from California). I stopped listening to the US news a while ago when their bias became blazingly apparent in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on March 18, 2012, 10:28:18 AM
In reference to Doomsday Bunkers; What states allow you to booby trap your property? I've looked and couldn't find one.

Spikes and flame throwers, really? Seems like a good way to get yourself sued and/or have yourself or a loved one get hurt.
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Post by: endurance on March 18, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
In reference to Doomsday Bunkers; What states allow you to booby trap your property? I've looked and couldn't find one.

Spikes and flame throwers, really? Seems like a good way to get yourself sued and/or have yourself or a loved one get hurt.
I certainly agree on the spikes just because it's relying on a single point of failure.  One accidental pull of a cable and you just impaled a loved one.  Personally, I'd get rid of that thing right away.

As for the flame-thrower, they're putting a tank full of a denser than air explosive substance in a below ground shelter.  One leak and you just enclosed yourself in a giant bomb.  Brilliant!
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Post by: nelson96 on March 18, 2012, 10:47:40 AM
The whole idea of putting my family and I in a bunker raises concerns for me.  Way too many things can go wrong with no way to overcome them.  I'll take the "open" any day.  This reinforces the need for community.
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Post by: Mr. Red Beard (UKtheBUNNY) on March 18, 2012, 12:44:03 PM
The whole idea of putting my family and I in a bunker raises concerns for me.  Way too many things can go wrong with no way to overcome them.  I'll take the "open" any day.  This reinforces the need for community.

I agree community is probably going to be your greatest defense. With that said I see the need of having a storm shelter.
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Post by: JohnnyRelentless on March 18, 2012, 02:14:01 PM
Just got a reply from 88 tactical

Well of course the company would say that, being open about it would only hurt business. The number 88 is used by neo-nazi organizations as a code. It is specifically used when they only want to communicate to other like-minded bigots.

Also, I'm pretty sure during the show the guy called his kid Klaus. Now I realize that in itself doesn't mean anything, and anyone could have a German name, but I seriously doubt that he or the company are unaware of what the symbol means. Especially being former law enforcement. They usually get classes on gang and racist symbolism.

Also, I'm pretty sure Nebraska law enforcement is aware of what it means and how it is used. So if it really is used as a code, maybe they should rethink that. And I have to wonder who decided to make it a police code in the first place?

Could all of this be innocent? It's possible, it's just a number, but everything together seems like a lot of coincidence.
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Post by: Adam B. on March 19, 2012, 07:59:35 AM
LMFAO I thought the same thing when I saw the spikes... I thought the flame thrower handrail was brilliant, but the spikes actually look as though they are placed too close together to actually impail someone.

Same concept as how people at freak shows can lay down on a bed of spikes. If they are all so close together they won't pierce the body. I think all that spike wall is going to do is seriously piss off anyone who was already trying to break in, at which point all they need to do is find the ventilation port and smoke em out LOL.

So stupid... Nice storm shelters though, I'll give them that much credit.
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Post by: YoungGunsPrepper on March 19, 2012, 03:28:00 PM
I must agree both shows are quite a joke. My favorite part of the NYT article was when the writter said "who is suppose to unclog the toilet". This was my favorite because any one that is a real "prepper" and not one of the hollywood workups on these shows, knows that the reason we prep is to become more self sufficent so when the toilet clogs up WE fix it our damn selves.
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Post by: 16onRockandRoll on March 19, 2012, 05:19:36 PM
I must agree both shows are quite a joke. My favorite part of the NYT article was when the writter said "who is suppose to unclog the toilet". This was my favorite because any one that is a real "prepper" and not one of the hollywood workups on these shows, knows that the reason we prep is to become more self sufficent so when the toilet clogs up WE fix it our damn selves.
I laugh to myself while I am rootering my sewer main (stupid tree roots.  Just another repair on a growing list) about how most people would call someone and pay 4X or more than the rental cost me to have that done.
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Post by: JerseyVince on March 19, 2012, 05:29:23 PM
rockandroll, pick up some RootX or other rootkiller for drains at you local Lowes/depot/plumbing supply store. It'll help keep them from growing so fast in the drains. RootX is good, it works
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Post by: 16onRockandRoll on March 19, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
yeah, it helps. I used some a few years ago after the first time it did it, and it was like 3 years before it did it again.  I will probably get one of my dads rooters (he does plumbing in his retirement to keep busy and to pick up extra cash) so I won't have to rent one.  Hopefully I can get together enough money to just rip up my front yard and fix the dang thing.  There's a lot more there that needs to be done, so I might as well wait and do it all at once.  Then I can rent a tractor ;D
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Post by: Cedar on March 19, 2012, 08:18:16 PM
The whole idea of putting my family and I in a bunker raises concerns for me.  Way too many things can go wrong with no way to overcome them.  I'll take the "open" any day.  This reinforces the need for community.

We gotta meet up one of these days

Cedar
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Post by: nelson96 on March 19, 2012, 10:37:50 PM
We gotta meet up one of these days

If we ever get a spring I'm wanting to take that hike. . . . .  Try out my new pack.
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Post by: JGreene on March 20, 2012, 05:51:49 PM
I avoided watching, but there's not much else so I thought I'd give it a try.   There is some useful information occasionally, but of course they do their best to find the wackadoodles.  They would all benefit from the info on here.
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Post by: Cedar on March 25, 2012, 08:11:46 PM
Animal Planet!! Kudos!!! "Meet the Preppers" My Pink Pistol". WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than the other 'prepper shows'............................................................................. so far.

Cedar
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Post by: nelson96 on March 25, 2012, 08:24:04 PM
Animal Planet!! Kudos!!! "Meet the Preppers" My Pink Pistol". WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than the other 'prepper shows'............................................................................. so far.

What day and time?  I couldn't find them.
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Post by: Cedar on March 25, 2012, 10:38:09 PM
http://animal.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=15.17072.134883.0.0 ? No idea when it will be on again...?

But this site seems to have it. http://www.utahpreppers.com/2012/02/episode-1-animal-planet-meet-the-preppers-my-pink-gun/

Cedar
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Post by: Adam B. on March 26, 2012, 08:32:46 AM
Had a lazy Saturday and they were having a doom and gloom marathon, and ended up watching a few episodes of these shows.

Some of the people are crazier than the others for sure.

One thing I find odd is how they get the people to say that ONE thing they are preparing for — ie.. "I'm preparing for a solar flare to scorch the surface of the earth" or some crazy B.S.

I thought if you are a prepper you were just preparing for WHATEVER might happen. I wonder how hard the producers goad the people into saying something like that so they can edit it down and make the preppers seem even more psycho to the general sheep public.
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Post by: Adam B. on March 26, 2012, 08:35:31 AM
One example I have was back when I built a web site that got a lot of local attention. The 3 network news affiliates came to interview me about it, and 2 of them were pretty fair — but the other reporter who showed up just sat there trying to goad certain phrases and gestures out of me for half an hour to an hour so they could find 2 or 3 little comments or facial expressions and used about 5 seconds of the actual interview so they could just spin it whatever way they saw fit and sorta make fun of me. The other stations actually let me SAY something (without much editing).
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Post by: LJH on March 27, 2012, 11:41:27 AM
One example I have was back when I built a web site that got a lot of local attention. The 3 network news affiliates came to interview me about it, and 2 of them were pretty fair — but the other reporter who showed up just sat there trying to goad certain phrases and gestures out of me for half an hour to an hour so they could find 2 or 3 little comments or facial expressions and used about 5 seconds of the actual interview so they could just spin it whatever way they saw fit and sorta make fun of me. The other stations actually let me SAY something (without much editing).

I used to travel with a very prominent motorcycle racer. If you're old and into bike racing you'd know his name, otherwise not (it's a small pond, but he was a whale).

Anywho, it was amazing to sit and listen to a sports writer interview my friend and then read the article when it came out in the magazine. More often than not 90% of it was completely fabricated, quotes included. After a while my friend simply refused to talk to anyone from the press unless he knew and trusted the person to be accurate. Pissed a lot of people off and he couldn't have cared less.  :D
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Post by: Adam B. on March 27, 2012, 12:20:23 PM
Pretty much off topic but this whole Treyvan whatever the hell his name is... Nobody would care if a COP shot the guy — happens every day SOMEWHERE in this country. But now the news media is telling the whole country to be angry about this kid getting shot without knowing any of the facts and look what is happening. All of a sudden we have big ass gun grabber meetings on Capitol Hill because the wolves can smell an opportunity to strike.
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Post by: LJH on March 27, 2012, 12:54:35 PM
Yeah, what a flustercluck this one is. My lib friends are going ballistic (pun intended) over the evil vigilante White man gunning down an innocent Black child. My redneck friends are all "The little punk had it coming."

Excuse me??? I wasn't there, were you?

Doesn't help that the Black kid is really handsome & clean-cut (like those can't be criminals) and the evil vigilante is butt-ugly and inbred looking (like those can't be decent and upstanding) but it's a sad deal from any angle. If the kid was innocent = tragic and horribly unjust. If the shooting was righteous = shooter's life is ruined anyway, even if vindicated. No upside to this one.   :(
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Post by: YoungGunsPrepper on March 27, 2012, 04:16:09 PM
Pretty much off topic but this whole Treyvan whatever the hell his name is... Nobody would care if a COP shot the guy — happens every day SOMEWHERE in this country. But now the news media is telling the whole country to be angry about this kid getting shot without knowing any of the facts and look what is happening. All of a sudden we have big ass gun grabber meetings on Capitol Hill because the wolves can smell an opportunity to strike.

The thing I hate hearing (well lack there of) is that in 2010 there was a black man who shot and killed a (white) Operation Iraqi Freedom Vet at a basketball court in Florida. He was originally arrested then let go the same day due to the same law that is in controversy over this case (Stand your ground). So the whole race issue goes right out the window. Look at the string of events that had happened: Appartments broken into, property being stolen, this happened by prodominately younger black kids. I am not condoning what Zimmerman did, cause I dont agree with the way he handled it, but I am saying that if I walked through an apartment complex late at night in an unfamiliar area I would not walk around with a hood pulled over my head it does look bad. It is sad that Treyvan was killed, and as far as Zimmerman goes the act of this one in my oppinion an Idiot only hurts the image of those of us that carry concealled. Thats just my .02 cents on it.
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Post by: archer on March 27, 2012, 04:46:01 PM
Let's keep this thread on topic.
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Post by: nelson96 on March 27, 2012, 10:23:22 PM
Did you watch the episode tonight?  I learned two things that I'm going to use . . . .

1.)  You can buy antibiotics at aquarium (fish) stores.

2.)  I like the idea of inerting your LTS food using a hose to pump nitrogen in to a mylar bag.
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Post by: Cedar on March 27, 2012, 10:29:14 PM
1.)  You can buy antibiotics at aquarium (fish) stores.

I was not too excited they advertised that fact.

Cedar
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Post by: nelson96 on March 27, 2012, 10:38:02 PM
I was not too excited they advertised that fact.

Why?  Because it's a great idea?  Or because it's a bad idea?
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Post by: Cedar on March 27, 2012, 10:58:31 PM
Why?  Because it's a great idea?  Or because it's a bad idea?

Both. I can see a bunch of yahoo's abusing them or using the wrong ones as they are uneducated about the drugs. Not all antibiotics will work on all issues and now I can repercussions coming from that. People abuse antibiotics as it is, and if they think it is a free for all to be able to get them this way and use them indiscriminately, they are not doing themselves any favours. And it may cut off a source for those of us who do know how to use them proper and prevent us from treating our animals as well.

Cedar
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Post by: nelson96 on March 27, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
Both. I can see a bunch of yahoo's abusing them or using the wrong ones as they are uneducated about the drugs. Not all antibiotics will work on all issues and now I can repercussions coming from that. People abuse antibiotics as it is, and if they think it is a free for all to be able to get them this way and use them indiscriminately, they are not doing themselves any favours. And it may cut off a source for those of us who do know how to use them proper and prevent us from treating our animals as well.

Good point, there are a lot of things about this show that I don't like.  Many more than I do like.
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Post by: Cedar on March 27, 2012, 11:41:45 PM
I liked tonight's episode overall compared to the other ones. No complete freaks.

Cedar
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Post by: USMCAllen on March 28, 2012, 03:55:17 AM
It's bright up more than one conversation which led to networking for me. I may soon have multiple new prepping friends. I told them that I've been watching the community longer than those shows have been out, and they wanted to know the sources that influenced me. I assigned some home work and we will see if it sticks :p
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Post by: Adam B. on March 28, 2012, 07:38:29 AM
LOL — OK, I caved in and watched some more of this tripe (because I am too lazy to update my Netflix account with a new CC after my old one expired) — and there is NOTHING else on TV when I am flipping channels...

I think I've seen every episode now since they are running these things in non stop marathon format.

I definitely got some ideas and saw some demonstrations of things that I've read about but never seen someone DO... And the guy who had the enclosed "Deuce" M35A made me realize that one of THOSE would make a perfect RV for the type of camping I like to do (if I could ever live somewhere where owning and storing one is feasible).

I guess if Bear Grylls can squeeze some life giving water out of an Elephant Turd — I can pick up a few useful tidbits from this turd of a TV show.
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Post by: cmxterra on March 28, 2012, 08:34:45 AM
LOL — OK, I caved in and watched some more of this tripe (because I am too lazy to update my Netflix account with a new CC after my old one expired) — and there is NOTHING else on TV when I am flipping channels...

I think I've seen every episode now since they are running these things in non stop marathon format.

I definitely got some ideas and saw some demonstrations of things that I've read about but never seen someone DO... And the guy who had the enclosed "Deuce" M35A made me realize that one of THOSE would make a perfect RV for the type of camping I like to do (if I could ever live somewhere where owning and storing one is feasible).

I guess if Bear Grylls can squeeze some life giving water out of an Elephant Turd — I can pick up a few useful tidbits from this turd of a TV show.

see the thread in transportation. I am doing this now.
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Post by: Adam B. on March 28, 2012, 10:16:42 AM
I saw that today's podcast is about surplus military trucks.

And yes, my girlfriend would kill me if I showed up with one of them.

However the only place I could fathom being able to park an M35 is my mother's house 4 hours away and we have more important things to spend our money on right now anyway.

But the day I have the right place to park one of these SOBs I'm getting one. They are listed all the time on Craigslist.
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Post by: DrJohn on March 28, 2012, 10:38:32 AM
I saw that today's podcast is about surplus military trucks.

And yes, my girlfriend would kill me if I showed up with one of them.

However the only place I could fathom being able to park an M35 is my mother's house 4 hours away and we have more important things to spend our money on right now anyway.

But the day I have the right place to park one of these SOBs I'm getting one. They are listed all the time on Craigslist.

My wife said that it was a cool truck and only 3500 bucks, why don't we have one?  I just laughed.
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Post by: Adam B. on March 28, 2012, 02:14:39 PM
Especially when you see that most of them have an odometer with less than 10,000 miles HAHA...

I don't actually know what is considered old and beat to hell in terms of mileage on those kinds of trucks. And I haven't listened to today's show yet if it was mentioned in there.
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Post by: DrJohn on March 29, 2012, 06:56:05 AM
I am sure they are great vehicles - Esp the one CMXterra is working on, but I don't think I have the proper skill set to do what he has done, and while I built a chevy 350 V8 as a youth, I think the mechanicals on one of those is way beyond me, and I certainly don't have the facilities to work on heavy equipment!  That is why I laughed, not because she thought it was a good idea - I agree its a great idea, but for me, not very practical.
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Post by: Adam B. on March 29, 2012, 01:45:35 PM
Amen to that. I don't have the facilities to do so much as an OIL CHANGE on my own vehicles where I live. We already broke a parking pawl on the old car we got rid of because we have to park on such a steep hill (and yes, the parking brake was in place).

I've had to tighten the parking brake on my Jeep 3 times in a year and it needs tightened again. On my stick shift, The parking brake takes some pressure off, but if the car was in neutral the damn thing would just careen down the hill. Parking brakes don't do squat other than take enough pressure off to hopefully avoid an expensive repair.

Another reason I don't like where I live. If I came out to a flat tire I'd be screwed because there is no way I could even jack up the vehicle even if I put heavy concrete blocks behind each grounded wheel.
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Post by: FrugalFannie on March 29, 2012, 05:00:19 PM
Amen to that. I don't have the facilities to do so much as an OIL CHANGE on my own vehicles where I live. We already broke a parking pawl on the old car we got rid of because we have to park on such a steep hill (and yes, the parking brake was in place).

I've had to tighten the parking brake on my Jeep 3 times in a year and it needs tightened again. On my stick shift, The parking brake takes some pressure off, but if the car was in neutral the damn thing would just careen down the hill. Parking brakes don't do squat other than take enough pressure off to hopefully avoid an expensive repair.

Another reason I don't like where I live. If I came out to a flat tire I'd be screwed because there is no way I could even jack up the vehicle even if I put heavy concrete blocks behind each grounded wheel.

might sound silly but have you ever thought of chocking your tires?
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Post by: ttubravesrock on March 29, 2012, 06:28:10 PM
I haven't used a parking brake in a looong time.
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Post by: Roundabouts on March 30, 2012, 08:57:50 AM
Ok so I broke down to see what all the hoopla was about and watched part of one show.  The old man with the busses 10k sq feet to save several thousand people from nuclear attack.   I did think what he did was fantastic.  The creativity and the magnitude is nothing short of wow.  I think he named it Ark Two.  After listening to him for just a few minutes it was very clear that he is doing this so he can be remembered when he is gone.  It's his way of leaving a legacy behind. Well for at least 20 yrs.  He didn't care if he was remembered as a crazy man or not.  He just wanted to be remembered.  All of that is very clear as he states that if nukes go off the jet stream will carry the major fall out right to his front door.  So if he really wanted to "save" his family he would have taken that money moved to a "safer" location away from the jet stream.  Then try to do what he could.  That place could be a really cool fort   

yeah crazy show.  I can see that there may be several people that will start hoarding after watching this.  Unfortunately  I see this as putting people off and tuning out even more.   

On a more positive note what little I could stand to watch I did like how they ran through tests even if it was for the show.  Why would someone go buy a huge BOV and go to all that trouble and not bother to even have a BOB ready. Duh get the basics first.

Yeah ok so I could go on and on after just a 25min watch.  What ever have wasted enough time with it. 
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Post by: Cedar on March 30, 2012, 09:41:08 AM
Ok so I broke down to see what all the hoopla was about and watched part of one show. 

You saw probably one of the better segments, although I think the guy with the truck after that was also one of the more sane people. Granted Dennis is not weird and we have talked to him on here, but with him it was very obvious the cam people were steering him in a certain direction. But you can tell on many of the segments that they are digging deep to find some pretty colourful people.

Cedar
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Post by: hillclimber on March 30, 2012, 10:44:56 AM
That Ark project has been going on a long time now. I remember back when I first got the internet, they were sort of recruiting people and interviewing them. Pretty cool.
They were pretty vague back then about what area it was in. Never realized it was in Canada 'till I saw them on the show.
I also noticed the "experts" didn't do a evaluation on them. ;)
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Post by: Adam B. on March 30, 2012, 12:12:13 PM
At least everyone knows what these people have now so the "golden horde" will be going to their house and leaving me alone!
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 30, 2012, 12:48:10 PM
At least everyone knows what these people have now so the "golden horde" will be going to their house and leaving me alone!

I get the opsec concern, but I think it only works on a local scale.  No golden horde will road trip hundreds of miles to loot something.

What might happen is a handful of ill prepped neighbors begging for hand outs.  That might be reason enough to keep a low profile however...
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Post by: Adam B. on March 30, 2012, 02:40:04 PM
No, but all those "crazy" wackos on that TV show — everyone who lives around them know where they live and what they have now LOL. That's all I am saying.
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Post by: endurance on March 30, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
On the other hand, if you reveal none of your preps, but instead a mad set of survival skills, neighbors will beat a path to your door in hard times to learn from you and protect you as a mentor to the community.  That's where the California guy in the second episode nailed it.  Never revealed any preps other than a BOB, but ws foraging everywhere for food, supplied, shelter... Brilliant strategy to promote his survival school while avoiding the whole zombie horde scenario.
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Post by: Adam B. on March 30, 2012, 04:09:52 PM
Amen to that point. Rough times will be easier with the help of others. The loss of actual communities of real people, not this virtual internet BS is why we are in the predicament we are as a nation.
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Post by: Cedar on March 30, 2012, 04:12:51 PM
Amen to that point. Rough times will be easier with the help of others. The loss of actual communities of real people, not this virtual internet BS is why we are in the predicament we are as a nation.

I think even if the internet did not exist, people would have fallen away from community.

Cedar
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Post by: Morning Sunshine on March 30, 2012, 04:40:35 PM
in some ways, the internet has created other communities.  look at us.  because I have this virtual community here, I know I am not a lone crazy prepper in this world, and my actions raise questions in those who are in my IRL community, and I am able to spread small bits of prepping with others.  all because I know I am not alone.
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Post by: Nicodemus on March 30, 2012, 05:44:57 PM
I finally caught the latest episode of Doomsday Preppers with OnDemand.

I think cmxterra's M109 kicks the stuffing out of the family's on this week's episode, but their truck trump's my bicycle soooo...  :D

I felt bad for the Psychiatrist with the non-prepper wife until I came to find out what she went through in her youth in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge's reign of terror. Even though it might be easy to think that she'd be understanding of her husband having had first hand knowledge of surviving such terror, I could also see why she didn't want to dwell on it. That's a prepping conundrum right there.

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Post by: nelson96 on April 17, 2012, 11:21:11 PM
What did you think of Mr. Wayne?  Why on earth would you store dog food to eat it yourself?  Why wouldn't you use that storage space to store other high protein items that are intended for human consumption?  He even said his dog didn't like the dog food he was storing.

I know they said he lives in Texas, but he's got to formally be from California.  Only a Californian would call 3 acres a "Ranch".
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Post by: MTUCache on April 18, 2012, 11:31:16 AM
What did you think of Mr. Wayne?  ...
This was my first episode watching this show... and I couldn't last 10 minutes. Simply awful. Everything bad and ridiculous about preppers.

The conspiracy theory stuff I get.
The underground storage container I get.
The firearms collection and reloading I get.

The pipe bombs?
The bottles of wine as a barter item?
The dog food?

Wtf.... didn't even last to the second commercial break. I'll gladly watch today's baseball highlights (for the third time) rather than watch this show.
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Post by: Shaunypoo on April 18, 2012, 11:50:25 AM
Ditto.

I have 4-5 DVR'd and I haven't bothered to watch any of them since the second episode or so.  Reminds me to clean out my DVR.
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Post by: kckndrgn on April 18, 2012, 11:57:33 AM
The pipe bombs?

I may be wrong, but isn't it illegal to make a pipe bomb?
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Post by: John G on April 18, 2012, 12:43:33 PM
I may be wrong, but isn't it illegal to make a pipe bomb?

They said as much on the show. They were "simulating" making one.  I suspect the object they exploded in the field was provided by the producers of the show. I hope so anyway.

I've watched all the episodes as an exercise in what not to do. It does get painful to watch at times.

Ok, all the time.  It's like a train wreck, I can't look away...
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Post by: kckndrgn on April 18, 2012, 12:47:58 PM
They said as much on the show. They were "simulating" making one.  I suspect the object they exploded in the field was provided by the producers of the show. I hope so anyway.

I've watched all the episodes as an exercise in what not to do. It does get painful to watch at times.

Ok, all the time.  It's like a train wreck, I can't look away...

Thanks, guess I missed that little "disclaimer"
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Post by: Cedar on April 18, 2012, 04:28:16 PM
Mr. Wayne and the NatGeo editors of Doomsday preppers should be flogged for being DUMBASSES for putting the pipebomb and half showing them how they are made. Not to mention saying "Kid's don't do this at home", which is a trigger for them to actually try it. If he had left off the word 'kids', I don't think as many kids may have tuned into it. But basically he just made it a challenge to them.

Mr. Wayne and the NatGeo editors are also showing stereotyping people and cultures with that sand table. Shame on them.
I never heard Mr. Wayne call his 3 acres a ranch, the narrator did.

Jon & Kristine Sellers
- Seem more normal than most of them on the show episodes. They don't mention it, but their shop/shed is full of lots of prepping stuff. They will have a fair bit of water if they fill them all. I don't like how they showed off all their weaponry. I think it is what most people think of us as the crazy gun toting people and gives prepping a bad name (no offense to gun folks on here). I mean that most non-preppers think that is all preppers have most of and it turns them off.

I also don't think that they should have shown their stashes of silver. Think no one will try to go with a metal detector looking for $30K in silver behind their shop? I am hoping that was just a ruse.

I like how prepping brought them together more and how it shows they do have a loving relationship. I like John's parting vid.

Jason Day - The daughter seems to be more prepared than mom. Mom is a wreck just being on TV and breaking down. Granted, it could be the stress of being on TV if she is shy too. But if she was with my crew, I would be rather wary of her (and if you are on here Mrs Day, feel free to correct me, my assumption could be WAY off, I only got a 15 min glimpse into your life) having a meltdown when I really needed to rely on her. Mom might have been at work while most of the family went out and about. She did not seem too cool on going out into the 'wilderness' and liked other things like the zoo instead. Give her kudo's for letting hubby use her to learn how to put IV's in. Not sure that I would want anyone but the daughter or the mom to put one in me LOL. I suspect mom is claustophobic and maybe a few others things.

I am with the daughter, I like gold panning for fun and for picnics on a particular river, but no thanks, as a full time job. Poor young son with the gas mask!!! But it looks like he settled into it.

I am not sure I would have advertised that my medical supplies and a few thousand dollars of preps are stored there. Will his insurance cover his preps if he is broken into? I think with it being empty, I would make it a little more homey down there in the business basement. There is more than enough room to put in a wooden platform so they don't have to sleep on a tarp and plenty of room for bunk beds and water storage and...

I also think that Jason is going to be cut out of the will from his family by admitting he is not taking any of his other family. I am also not excited about his door from the street to his shop basement.

Interesting that more and more folks on the show are now learning towards economic collapse VS all over the board as before.

Cedar
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Post by: suzysurvivor on April 18, 2012, 07:38:03 PM
I get the opsec concern, but I think it only works on a local scale.  No golden horde will road trip hundreds of miles to loot something.

What might happen is a handful of ill prepped neighbors begging for hand outs.  That might be reason enough to keep a low profile however...
  probably so but when they get really hungry...they won't stop at begging and being told no.
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Post by: LICountryBoy on April 19, 2012, 12:10:52 PM
Was it me or were all the cans in the buried shipping container with the wine pretty rusty?
Definitely not eating what they store or there are insane humidity levels down there. I would think that would lower the life of the container as well.

 When I do watch the show I watch it on the DVR and use the FF liberally. 
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Post by: Cedar on April 20, 2012, 11:54:34 PM
http://youtu.be/7N08B6TV2wU

Cedar
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Post by: Nicodemus on April 21, 2012, 07:20:26 AM
What she talks about in that video doesn't really surprise me at all.
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Post by: MilSpecIA on April 22, 2012, 12:38:33 AM
So I'm sitting here filling out my reloading notebook and I have the last episode "I Suggest We Run" as previously described in the background...

Ok, I know prepping is seen as out of the mainstream. My wife and I might not "agree" on how/what we prep. Yet we work at it together (mainly me while my wife finished up her school), and I know that if I continue to bring her onto some of these ideas, she will eventually come around in her due time because its something we do together and I want her to be comfortable with it.

But clearly Mr. Day is sacrificing A LOT for his preps...forcefully. He's forced his family to sacrifice for years to achieve HIS goal. And BTW Mr. Day...hiding out in your store as a bug out location...that will make you last about three days before folks start scavenging and all stores in any population center will be the first to go. And Mr. "Wayne"...really? A pipebomb? Really.  :crazy:

This whole series is a trainwreck.

Clearly they wanted to find the "extreme" that only serves to stereotype prepping. But if you're too dang stupid to know NOT to place you're tumb over the barrel (episode 2 I believe), or to prep so extensively you stress out your wife/kids and financially break your family... :wtf: then you don't know what real survival means.

My only regret is that it's 0130 and there's nothing else is on TV...
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Post by: Oil Lady on April 22, 2012, 08:13:26 AM
I think someone somewhere should start blog or a vlog or even a whole web site called "Preppers Who Refuse to Appear On Reality TV" to allow ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL those preppers who have declined TV appearances to voice their reasons why.

Any takers here for starting up that enterprise?
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Post by: Oil Lady on April 22, 2012, 09:13:15 AM
Mr. Wayne is craziness personified!

I do very much like the concept of wine as barter though. That was the only thing he did that I had any respect for. (But he mangled the word "pinot grigio." Dude, it's pronounced "pee-no gree-jhee-oh.") His self-taught effort at being a vintner makes me fear his wine might be total crap. The tricky thing about wine is it can easily tip itself toward vinegar if you're not careful, and you'll never know the bottle is bad until you actually open it. The art of making wine is kinda like the art of playing a guitar: it's the easiest alcoholic beverage/musical instrument to learn, but the most difficult to master. A true wine master needs years of training at the feet of an established wine master, and even then, he'll make mistakes. If his wine is good, it'll be by sheer luck. Meanwhile, I feel kinda bad for him that when NatGeo showed up to video his vineyard, the vineyard was already well into winter dormancy, so the vineyard looked pathetic, like it was dead! It all just lent to the pathetic nature of their interview with him! And then his cousin Jesse blowing stuff up with him and then the two of them giggling about it like too junior high kids!! Good grief! The two of them made me think of that Second City TV skit with John Candy where he plays a hillbilly with his own public access TV show where all he and his hillbilly co-host do is blow things up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUtdXzBSVaU

And thus the phrase "He blowed up REAL good!" was born.






For the full skit, click here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE3Q5xPtS3A&feature=related


.

 
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Post by: smuglydawg on April 22, 2012, 11:50:01 AM
I finally caught the latest episode of Doomsday Preppers with OnDemand.

I felt bad for the Psychiatrist with the non-prepper wife until I came to find out what she went through in her youth in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge's reign of terror. Even though it might be easy to think that she'd be understanding of her husband having had first hand knowledge of surviving such terror, I could also see why she didn't want to dwell on it. That's a prepping conundrum right there.

Yeah, that was a crazy show, it's like his wife doesn't want to relive that, or even run the idea. The daughter was like looked like she hated it also. Sounded like they didn't know about the cave BOL.
Plus all that wasted medication, that exp 2006
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Post by: Cedar on May 02, 2012, 08:49:19 AM
It is good to know you understand the media. Some are much better than others. I had high hopes for this particular project since it was Nat Geo.
Our family thought that it was great to see prepping on TV, however it was very sensationalized and scripted.

So Dennis, now that the DP season is over, what is your take on the series? Are you still glad you did it? What do you think of the episodes which came after yours?

Cedar
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Post by: Dennis McClung on May 02, 2012, 12:31:56 PM
So Dennis, now that the DP season is over, what is your take on the series? Are you still glad you did it? What do you think of the episodes which came after yours?

Cedar

I haven't watched any other episodes. I appreciate the opportunity to show the Garden Pool to a large audience. It is a shame that the "Preppers" show that was pitched to me evolved in to the "reality" show Doomsday Preppers.  I think the producer, Alan Madison, has no spine and is a fraud.
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Post by: Cedar on May 02, 2012, 12:50:37 PM
Well, if it makes you feel any better, yours and one other segment are the only two that were actually worth watching.

Cedar
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Post by: Nicodemus on May 02, 2012, 04:33:18 PM
Pipe bombs, high heel shoes, hiding in plain site in the middle of town and almost everyone with a product to sell...

I think I'm finally done.

I have a feeling that since I've reached my limit with the show if I were to go back and watch them all over again I wouldn't be so polite in my commentary for the most part.
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Post by: endurance on May 03, 2012, 07:21:46 AM
Pipe bombs, high heel shoes, hiding in plain site in the middle of town and almost everyone with a product to sell...

I think I'm finally done.

I have a feeling that since I've reached my limit with the show if I were to go back and watch them all over again I wouldn't be so polite in my commentary for the most part.
Yep, my DVR was getting pretty full the other day and I opted to delete the three episodes I hadn't watched.  I caught the 15 minutes I wanted to see this year, with Jack Jobe, a guy I met through my local prepper Meetup group and they didn't make him look nearly as crazy as they could have.  He's a character, but an all around good guy and they could have gone either way with him.  Mercifully, they kept is pretty serious and didn't focus on the goofy stuff.

Overall, I've lost faith in NatGeo because of the series.  They've lost credibility as an organization focused on exploration and discovery in the pursuit of ratings.  It's a shame.  They still do have some beautiful photography, but their biases are now so thick it's hard to stomach with the sound on.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Shaunypoo on May 03, 2012, 10:15:17 AM
Overall, I've lost faith in NatGeo because of the series.  They've lost credibility as an organization focused on exploration and discovery in the pursuit of ratings.  It's a shame.  They still do have some beautiful photography, but their biases are now so thick it's hard to stomach with the sound on.

Ditto.  I always gave them a degree of credibility simply because they were highly thought of when I was a kid and they were kind of a go to source for worldly knowledge.  Now I am seeing them as just another spin machine that needs to do something to make money, but I guess they all are.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: USMCAllen on May 03, 2012, 10:48:55 AM
So how do u take the guy who says on a crowded car ride "so I've been watching that doomsday preppers" and slip in TSP without giving away how deep the rabbit hole could go.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: endurance on May 03, 2012, 01:40:40 PM
So how do u take the guy who says on a crowded car ride "so I've been watching that doomsday preppers" and slip in TSP without giving away how deep the rabbit hole could go.
I'd just bring up some of the flaws, like spending $25k on a bunker without thinking about it, while the more realistic threat of unemployment isn't ever discussed.  Follow that up by mentioning this interesting podcast that kind of blends things like food production, debt elimination, and self-sufficiency with a more common sense way of prepping.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on May 31, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/doomsday-prepper-sentenced-to-21-months-in-prison-for-stockpiling-destructive-devices-after-insider-rats-him-out_05302012?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SHTFplan+%28SHTF+Plan+-+When+It+Hits+The+Fan%2C+Don%27t+Say+We+Didn%27t+Warn+You%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

Dummmm dum dummm dummmm DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMB!!!!!!

Could have seen THAT coming. You are a dumb ass doomsday prepper if you feel the need to go on national TV and show everything that you are "hoarding" in your "bunker" LMFAO.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on May 31, 2012, 03:25:00 PM
The story has been updated. Dutton never appeared on Doomsday Preppers. Apparently he told his ex-wife's boyfriend that he was storing food, guns, ammunition and fireworks in preparation for an economic collapse. The boyfriend subsequently told police and is listed as the sole source of information on the search warrant.

"Mr. Dutton was subsequently charged with with knowingly possessing destructive devices, more fully described as five incendiary bombs (Count I) and nine grenades (Count II). He was convicted under Federal Law and sentenced to serve 21 months in prison."
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nkawtg on May 31, 2012, 08:12:13 PM
Some people just don't know when to shut up.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on June 01, 2012, 08:08:31 AM
Well, OK then my fact checking isn't up to par LMFAO... But still. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!!!

That's like a dumb white tourist going to the slumdog shanty towns of India decked out in gold like you are Mr. T or something! You are just asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Sage of Monticello on June 03, 2012, 10:44:56 PM
Even with that SHTF article updated it screams of OPSEC failure. That was a good example to list here as it relates to the nature of the Doomsday show.

I understand some believe it is paranoia to implement OPSEC when dealing with people you associate with. However, this article highlights how society has been programmed to become snitches for local and federal authorities and why discretion in prepping is often not an overreaction or paranoid act.

Obviously if you feel your friend has used poor judgement in any situation and is of sound mind, you should open your mouth to your friend and communicate why you are concerned and offer advice.



Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Shaunypoo on June 04, 2012, 06:15:03 AM
I understand some believe it is paranoia to implement OPSEC when dealing with people you associate with. However, this article highlights how society has been programmed to become snitches for local and federal authorities and why discretion in prepping is often not an overreaction or paranoid act.

It is not paranoia if they really are out to get you.  In this day and age people are being indoctrinated all the time by society to relax and go with the status quo, government will be there to help you whether you need it or not.  All you have to do is go with everything they tell you to do, and one of those things is to think everything is dangerous and no one knows how to behave responsibly. 

I had to give my kid a lesson during the school year about opsec when she came home with the assignment to catalogue all the food we have in our house for a "health assessment."  We didn't do anything than what was presently in the kitchen, which if you come to this website on a regular basis should only be a smaller percentage of what you really have.  It was a good time to teach her not to blab about our preps and why.  She is 7 so she will do it, but doesn't totally understand why yet.

This show violates opsec in one of the worst ways possible.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on June 04, 2012, 11:55:56 AM
In terms of "OPSEC" (you are never going to hear me say that in person) LOL — I am not running around BRAGGING to everyone about what I have in storage, or what I can do with what I have.

However, when people are over at my house etc I am talking about the things they see... For example "Oh yeah, that is a Berkey Water Filter, it is like your Brita Pitcher on crack" and explain further... Or if there is no water, just run downstairs and come up with two 1-gallon jugs and say "Oh, no worries, I usually have 20-50 gallons stored down there."

Or say I am making spaghetti and there is no sauce in the cupboard "Oh, do you need me to run out and get some?" (said the girl who was over for dinner) — "Nope, hold on a sec..." as I take my milk crate "shopping basket" down to the "basement grocery store" to pick up 4 jars of sauce, some parmesan cheese, and some other stuff I am running low on "upstairs" in the kitchen...

I've gotten people more interested in doing stuff for themselves, and nobody seems to think anything I do in those regards is STUPID when they are at my house vs. when you watch that stuff on TV and you see some dumb ass ranting about how they are prepared for the Mayan Apocalypse!
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on October 28, 2012, 05:22:59 PM
Oh geez.

Caught another rerun of Doomsday Preppers, last night.  NatGeo is running ads for their second season.

It promises to be more outlandish, more twisted and with even "crazier" preppers than before. 

When will people learn?

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: High in the Mountains on October 29, 2012, 09:45:37 PM
I have a friend who is supposed to be on the show. We do not have tv/cable so I do not know if he made it or not. Good guy. When I heard he had applied for the show and was picked, I told him Jack's experiences and even sent him some of the episodes when Jack talked about him. But he went anyways.

The plan was that they follow the people for 1-2 days filming them and that is it. They then slice and dice the filming. Besides OPSEC I would never do it as they can take that film and use it way out of context anywhere during that season.

He and his wife I guess were dealing with economic collapse. I need to follow up with him and get more details. If I do I will post.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: devildog78 on October 30, 2012, 10:54:19 AM
I just wish they would put some normal preppers on there.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on October 30, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
I just wish they would put some normal preppers on there.

It will never happen.  Nat Geo wants this to be a show of circus freaks.  The more sensational, the more people will watch. . .even normal preppers.

And the self-aggrandizing idiots that sign their waivers and take the NatGeo money are more than happy to show off that they're . . .special.

The Professor

(And, FWIW, there have been some normal preppers on the show, the producers just edited scenes to make them seem like ridiculous, paranoid crackpots.)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nkawtg on October 30, 2012, 12:40:07 PM
Has anyone seen Militia Rising?
The Discovery Channel Special which aired Oct 24th highlighted a militia group called "The Watchmen".
Not bad, and at least this show didn't portray them as nuts.

http://vimeo.com/52141463
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on October 30, 2012, 01:18:05 PM

(And, FWIW, there have been some normal preppers on the show, the producers just edited scenes to make them seem like ridiculous, paranoid crackpots.)

QFT
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: ttubravesrock on October 30, 2012, 02:40:07 PM
QFT

This isn't on topic but I have an entertaining anecdote for this acronym.

Back in the day, I thought QFT stood for something completely different, and I was always confused by its use on good points.

I know now that it stands for "Quoted For Truth"

...I used to think that it stood for "Quit F****** Talking"

/sidetrack
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on October 30, 2012, 03:36:43 PM
Has anyone seen Militia Rising?
The Discovery Channel Special which aired Oct 24th highlighted a militia group called "The Watchmen".
Not bad, and at least this show didn't portray them as nuts.

http://vimeo.com/52141463

Uh. . I guess you saw a different episode than I did.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: High in the Mountains on October 30, 2012, 09:55:28 PM
Ok, just watched the Militia Rising. I have to agree with The Professor- not a good take on the militia movement. For the love of God and all things holy- if you are a white male, if you have any type of tactical equipment, you owe to it yourself and the movement not to be 70 to 100 pounds overweight.  Seriously. And if that description fits you and you see a camera, please go the other way.

Now I am not at my high school wrestling weight any more but I do work out and I can carry my pack without weezing.

Just saying, now is the time to drop the weight. You are a liability to yourself, your family and your group if you drop dead of a heart attack or worse a stroke. Someone else will have to carry your fat arse where ever you are going.

Enough said.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Fjorgynn on November 03, 2012, 08:14:17 AM
The season one of Doomsday Preppers has been uploaded to Youtube by National Geographic.

Bullets, Lots of Bullets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFob8_w3bYU

Back to the Stone Age
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be-40pdCCvU

Close the Door Load the Shotgun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXK3Sttcho

Into the Spider Hole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQY-4QOGQs4

It's Gonna Get Worse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkyB1tNlCFY

Disaster Doesn't Wait
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC1Z1D5iFjo

I Suggest We Run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZgzWI75G_M

Friends Can Become Enemies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6g_3yaZtyU

Extreme Prep Edition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P2ghC6LGyg
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: jasperg357 on November 03, 2012, 03:01:51 PM
 I don't remember the episode title but it was the one were the family living in the subbards secretly built and supplied a bunker in there garage, I don't think it was much of a secret after the episode aired. And if they think they are going to lock them selves away and be safe in a SHTF scenario then they need to watch the ending of the "Dirty Dozen" that did'nt work out to well for the Germans.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cheryl1 on November 04, 2012, 06:51:59 AM
Has anyone seen Militia Rising?
The Discovery Channel Special which aired Oct 24th highlighted a militia group called "The Watchmen".
Not bad, and at least this show didn't portray them as nuts.

http://vimeo.com/52141463

The Florida group-not so bad. I physically cringed every time they highlighted the lard a$$ from Indiana.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Chemsoldier on November 04, 2012, 07:22:05 AM
The Florida group-not so bad. I physically cringed every time they highlighted the lard a$$ from Indiana.
Yeah, nothing like a massively obese guy wearing Marine parachutist wings.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: ncjeeper on November 04, 2012, 10:56:50 AM
Cool, now I can watch them all.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cheryl1 on November 04, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
Remember the NYC guy who was prepping for the SuperVolcano? Has anyone seen any follow-up on how he handled Sandy? I am very curious.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on November 08, 2012, 08:28:27 AM
LMFAO!

What good does a stockpile gas masks do in a flood? HAHAHA...

I'm sorry. I just can't help but laugh at how stupid people are sometimes.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Nicodemus on November 08, 2012, 09:16:40 AM
Remember the NYC guy who was prepping for the SuperVolcano? Has anyone seen any follow-up on how he handled Sandy? I am very curious.

Considering he is a firefighter, I'm guessing he was likely on the job most of the time.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 08, 2012, 09:21:23 AM
LMFAO!

What good does a stockpile gas masks do in a flood? HAHAHA...

I'm sorry. I just can't help but laugh at how stupid people are sometimes.

Perhaps in case the flood knocks over a tanker truck or train carrying potentially dangerous chemicals?

Chemical plant gets flooded and the resulting damage causes a leak?

Flooding causes release of radioactive gases/particulates from damaged  nuclear plant?

Keep in mind that the producers of DP want the preppers to claim they're preparing for one particular threat.   We've heard this over and over from the people interviewed afterwards.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cpf240 on November 08, 2012, 02:32:28 PM
I like the guy that lives with his wife and her twin sister... Two is one and one is none...   :-*
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on November 09, 2012, 08:47:29 AM
Yeah. I am sure the people are not as crazy as the producers spin them out to be on this show.

I've done news interviews in the past where the reporter would goad me over and over just trying to get me to say a single phrase so they can turn a 20 minute long intelligent conversation / interview into a 10 second rant to make me look like a complete idiot on the 6:00 news.

I didn't really let the reporter win (in the specific case I am thinking of here) which got him all angry, but I also didn't care how they spun the interview because the only thing I was interested in was free publicity and driving more traffic to a website I had launched that week.

I am sure the producers would be mad as hell if they came across some doomsday preppers who wouldn't say they were preparing for something practical like "in case we lose our jobs, a flood (if you live next to water), or a snowstorm" — it always has to be some lunatic fringe sounding event like "polar ice caps melting or a polar shift / aliens / building an ark to save all the animals because a global flood is coming..." etc etc.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on November 09, 2012, 08:50:17 AM
The 15 year old boy who is prepping for a financial collapse seems to be the most intelligent one I've seen on this show so far (other than almost burning down an abandoned house HAHAHA).

But, when I was 15 I burned down my tree fort and caught the entire fence line / wind break between 2 of our corn fields, resulting in the fire department (my uncle / neighbor was fire chief) sending trucks to put it out (one of which broke down and ended up being the last fire it ever put out).

So, I guess I am not one to talk!
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 09, 2012, 10:35:27 AM
I like the guy that lives with his wife and her twin sister... Two is one and one is none...   :-*

Yeah, I've been trying to convince the wife to let me get one of them foreign mail-order brides.  Just think of all the chores they could share.


Ain't working, though.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cheryl1 on November 09, 2012, 10:57:51 AM
Yeah, I've been trying to convince the wife to let me get one of them foreign mail-order brides.  Just think of all the chores they could share.


Ain't working, though.

The Professor
Ha! I've been trying to convince my husband! Half the chores and twice the free time? It's a no brainer;)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on November 13, 2012, 08:28:22 AM
While clipping coupons from last weekend's Sunday paper, in order to get more food for my STOCKPILE (aka... "pantry") in the basement of my BUNKER (aka... "house") — I saw it...

A GIANT RADIOACTIVE SYMBOL AND PERSON WEARING A GAS MASK with some sort of headline "DOOMSDAY PREPPERS BLAH BLAH BLAH"

It was a big long article making fun of the people on the "Doomsday Preppers" show — because someone from my city is being featured on one of the episodes, etc. The whole article is about how ridiculous and stupid "preppers" are, how nothing is ever going to happen and it is OK to make fun of these idiots...

The ironic thing is this stupid article is in the SAME NEWSPAPER as SEVERAL articles talking about the people suffering from Hurricane Sandy, starving, no place to sleep, no food to eat because they were NOT PREPARED FOR A DISASTER.

IN THE SAME NEWSPAPER...

I cannot even walk from point A to point B anymore, go outside, look at Facebook, or read / watch the news anymore without wanting to just strangle these COMPLETE IDIOTS in our society anymore.

I am dating a girl who spent a few years living in Chile and has been absolutely miserable since she moved back to the states (she had valid reasons for coming back though). Things have began to get serious with her though, and even though this is a very long way off — we are both in agreement that we both want to move somewhere else (South America keeps coming up) and renounce our citizenships and never return to this dump.

I have another friend who lived with her husband in Mexico for a very long time and swore she would never come back to the U.S. to live. However, for family reasons she recently did — and I can tell she is miserable as well.

Living in a fear-based society is one of the main reasons everyone who moves away from this wretched place hates coming back. And most people who I know who come from / go to these "3rd world dictatorships" are always telling me how much more freedom they have THERE. It is a CONSTANT observation from people. The only places people tell me they have been where they feel more oppressed than they do in America are China and Middle Eastern countries.

I am by no means saying I think any other country on earth is some sort of "utopian paradise" — but we are both sick and tired of watching the complete idiots around us on a daily basis.

I also know that if I lived in the country and not a city full of dependent sheep I would not be quite as angry about what I see and hear every day!
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: ttubravesrock on November 15, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
http://newsminer.com/pages/full_story/push?blog-entry-Attention+doomsday+preppers%20&id=20839114&instance=blogs_editors_desk

our local newspaper is seeking out preppers in the area, using the show as bait.  I think I will read through some of the comments and possibly introduce them to TSP.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: snickers on November 15, 2012, 07:19:40 PM
I just found out that my ex sister in law is going to be on the show in January! I haven't seen her in about three years, but last time I talked to her she was very anti-gun so I'm not really sure why she is going to be on the show.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on November 15, 2012, 07:42:17 PM
http://newsminer.com/pages/full_story/push?blog-entry-Attention+doomsday+preppers%20&id=20839114&instance=blogs_editors_desk

our local newspaper is seeking out preppers in the area, using the show as bait.  I think I will read through some of the comments and possibly introduce them to TSP.


I just read through the comments. Here's a really good comment in favor of being a prepper:

"We don't worry about our own supplies as much as we do about the neighbors who have put nothing aside. You can't scare a hungry man, especially one with a family." 

 

Title: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: milkmood on November 27, 2012, 07:51:40 PM
Surely there's a forum setup for discussion of this ridiculous show, no?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: fritz_monroe on November 27, 2012, 07:53:27 PM
Nope.  And believe it or not, it's rarely ever mentioned.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: milkmood on November 27, 2012, 08:04:50 PM
I am surprised and I'm not. It's a sad exposé of the most extreme of us.  I don't appreciate being painted with that broad brush.  My friends base their views of me on what they see on that show and its hard to break out of that.  Keep plugging away mainstream preppers.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: cmxterra on November 27, 2012, 08:27:08 PM
My friends base their views of me on what they see on that show and its hard to break out of that.  Keep plugging away mainstream preppers.

Ask your friends if they have health, auto or home insurance. Then ask if they have it because something bad might actually happen and are being smart by having a way to recover. Lead the sheep to the obvious conclusion that prepping for a disaster of any magnitude is no different. It is insurance that if something bad happens you will be better off for having prepared for it.

Then ask them how the poor people affected by Sandy would have fared better had they done even some of the most basic prepping.

You get the idea.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: The Professor on November 27, 2012, 08:30:59 PM
Ask your friends if they have health, auto or home insurance. Then ask if they have it because something bad might actually happen and are being smart by having a way to recover.

I don't know if that's a valid question, anymore.

Health insurance : Mandated by Obama
Auto Insurance : Mandated by every state if you want to drive the vehicle on "public" roads.
Home Insurance: Mandated by most of the banks who carry your home loan.

Not trying to be a wet blanket, I read your response and it just sorta struck me outta the blue that Insurance is no longer an option, but a requirement.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: cmxterra on November 27, 2012, 08:34:24 PM
I don't know if that's a valid question, anymore.

Health insurance : Mandated by Obama
Auto Insurance : Mandated by every state if you want to drive the vehicle on "public" roads.
Home Insurance: Mandated by most of the banks who carry your home loan.

Not trying to be a wet blanket, I read your response and it just sorta struck me outta the blue that Insurance is no longer an option, but a requirement.

The Professor

Good point.

And I would say you could ask why they keep a fire extinguisher in the kitchen or garage but I don't think most people do that anymore either. Sad state of human affairs we have these days. Where is that reset button?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: otowner98 on November 27, 2012, 08:35:37 PM
Three of my sales reps (all of whom I assume know I'm at least a little different - chickens, guns, libertarian views, etc.) have asked me about this show in the past 10 days.  They are reminded that I'm even weirder when I point out to them that I don't get cable, but I have seen some episodes on Youtube. 
A few points I make are: 1.) the show producers force each of these folks to pick ONE "thing" they are preparing for vs. general preparedness, 2.) a couple of them (NW seed bank dude, germ lady, etc.) may actually be crazy (sorry, just how I see it), and 3.) some (dude who invented the Crovel and shot off his thumb) are self-promoters who could be on any reality show.
From there I usually point out some of the cooler ideas/preps from each of the people.  I'm dealing with a wide range on the spectrum here from Left/socialist, to Goldman wanna be country clubber, to potential tin-foil hatter with these three, so I have to take delicate baby steps......
BTW, Goldman boy would probably be the most likely to succeed if he could get past an unbelievable sense of normalcy bias.

It ought to be fun when the lady reps broach the subject  ;)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: flippydidit on November 28, 2012, 01:29:16 AM
Well according to the recent history it's just a matter of time before prepping becomes a Federal mandate.  Whew!  I thought it was going to be tough to convert others!

 :o
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cep89 on November 28, 2012, 09:27:57 AM
The 11/27/12 show was the worst one yet.  Tom has some friends in local LEOs, but making and exploding IEDs will earn you a visit from the feds.  Tom is wearing his ear protection wrong and loses his hearing temporarily, so he cries, vomits and kicks his partner out.  The scene of having your kid kill a goat by cutting it's throat and listening to it gurgle as it slowly dies  just adds to the idea that preppers are nuts.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on November 28, 2012, 09:35:49 AM
yeah, I was complaining about that guy the whole time.  Some of his basics were great, but there were some HUGE holes in his plans, let alone his buddies plans ::)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: Alpha Mike on November 28, 2012, 09:44:54 AM
Darn, when I saw the title of this thread, I thought Doomsday preppers had started their own forum I could go troll. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: bartsdad on November 28, 2012, 09:52:40 AM
http://www.doomsdayprepperforums.com/index.php

Doesn't look to be tied directly to the show, but I'm sure is trying to get traffic because of their name. ;)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: rikkrack on November 28, 2012, 10:04:47 AM
I don't know if that's a valid question, anymore.

Health insurance : Mandated by Obama
Auto Insurance : Mandated by every state if you want to drive the vehicle on "public" roads.
Home Insurance: Mandated by most of the banks who carry your home loan.

Not trying to be a wet blanket, I read your response and it just sorta struck me outta the blue that Insurance is no longer an option, but a requirement.

The Professor

What a valid point. It may just be a matter of time before prepping is a mandate. Car accidents caused the need for vehicle insurance, damage to homes required banks to protect property, health insurance due to costs and cover Dr.'s. How much are disasters costing FEMA and homeland security responding and taking care of the grasshoppers (really all of us in taxes) before they make a prepper insurance necessary?

I have heard daily on the radio with the kids (I refuse to listen to the radio normally and prefer podcasts) that FEMA and homeland security have had several different ads. They are now stating to have 7 days of preps vs the 72 hrs. Then direct people to their respective websites.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Sage of Monticello on November 28, 2012, 11:58:03 AM
Last night's show convinced me these people must be paid actors. This can't be real.

I thought I was watching a SNL skit. Seriously, I was laughing so hard it just seemed beyond absurdity.

The guy takes his daughter to the range and she clearly shows she wants no part of shooting and the father appears to be in a different world claiming he can count on her to defend herself.

The fact the 700 acres retreat is less than 20 yards from a major highway, was ignored, exposing the validity of the NATGEO experts.

Having the young child cut the throat of the goat brings up questions on parental ethics. I support mentoring your young child in hunting, but this was questionable for a child that appeared under 8 years old.

The reckless decision to use actual firearms in a surprise scenario with local law enforcement with possible live weapons held by the children (since we don't know) is beyond a good idea. A simulated scenario would have been safer and not filled with the risks of a tragic accident.

The blind scene shooting accident was ridiculous.  The alleged police swat CQC training was flawed as the guy failed cutting the pie in entering the door, the weapon was not close to the guys body, and it looked straight out of an 80's fake police show with his weapon held out susceptible to be grabbed.

I am convinced if these guys aren't paid actors they are probably being raided by Homeland Security,or having CPS come in and try taking their kids from them.

We don't live in a free society, if you publicize what last night's show did, it will get you in hot water. OPSEC, OPSEC, OPSEC.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: d3nni5 on November 28, 2012, 12:11:02 PM
Last night's show convinced me these people must be paid actors. This can't be real.


The guy Steve reminded me of Cousin Eddie (Randy Quaid) from the "Vacation" movies. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 28, 2012, 12:21:16 PM
I just found out that my ex sister in law is going to be on the show in January! I haven't seen her in about three years, but last time I talked to her she was very anti-gun so I'm not really sure why she is going to be on the show.

OMGosh...

And after what I am reading here... OMGosh...
I lack television anymore and it sounds like I am not missing anything. Too bad NatGeo took something which could have been useful and awesome and turned it into the Gong Show reject series.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: Cedar on November 28, 2012, 12:41:20 PM
Home Insurance: Mandated by most of the banks who carry your home loan..... and it just sorta struck me outta the blue that Insurance is no longer an option, but a requirement.

I own my home, bought it cash.... so no bank requires me to have insurance due to a loan. I choose to have insurance in case something happens to it.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 28, 2012, 06:49:51 PM
I own my home, bought it cash.... so no bank requires me to have insurance due to a loan. I choose to have insurance in case something happens to it.

Cedar

You're very lucky. . .and one of the very few.  I'd be interested to see exactly how many people in this country actually own their homes, outright (barring the argument that you're truly not allowed to own your home free-and-clear, vis-a-vis property taxes).

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 28, 2012, 07:12:09 PM
You're very lucky. . .

Depending on how one looks at it. Sometimes someone loses something dear to gain something else for the better. But yes, very lucky as well.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Sage of Monticello on November 28, 2012, 08:01:36 PM

The guy Steve reminded me of Cousin Eddie (Randy Quaid) from the "Vacation" movies.

LOL!

I really think it's intentional the way they are framing preppers. Last night's episode had to remove all doubt.

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 28, 2012, 08:30:11 PM
I really think it's intentional the way they are framing preppers. Last night's episode had to remove all doubt.

I normally would write or call and give my 2 cents on the show to the public relations people there at NatGeo, but I won't even bother on this one. I have written it off.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 28, 2012, 10:15:55 PM
Yeah, remember that they tried to get the pole-dancing, booty-short wearing party chick in the first season to kill her cat, on camera, too.

I really don't know who's sadder, the producers of this show or the people in it?

<Rant Mode Active>

I've posted before that I blame the "preppers" who signed on to this show more than the producers.  Now, even more so, after the first season.  If your so <expletive deleted> stupid as to think that you're going to be shown in a positive light, then you already are pretty much behind the power curve and your judgement obviously poor.

In each and every episode, anything good is beaten down and the stupidity of the preppers is highlighted and sensationalized.  However, who is giving them fodder?  THE PREPPERS.

The guy from Texas who blames  his partner for shooting the rifle inside the hide. . .it was fault of HIM, not his inexperienced friend for not ensuring the muzzle was outside the window.  MOREOVER, Mr. <expletive deleted> Know-It-All obviously didn't know how to wear his ear protection.  Want proof?  Why wasn't the shooter also deafened by the same blast?

Then, he allowed the cameramen to film as he allowed his son to kill a goat.  While others may complain, I guess I have a different upbringing in that I was raised on a farm.  I was wringing chicken heads, killing sheep and goats and even cows at 9 years old, with my own hands.  That was once what life was like.  BUT, I guess Mr. <expletive deleted> Alamo wanted to show how big and tough he was. . .perhaps he was even offered extra money as Pole-Dancer Chick claimed she was to kill her cat.

I mean, really. . .what's next?  Honey-Boo-Boo's Chinese Invasion Preps (with daddy saying "You're gonna stay here and defend this trailer!")?

The really odd thing is. . .if I'm not mistaken (and I don't think I am) the people who are producing this is actually a company owned by "Practical Preppers,"  the alleged "experts" who rate the preps.  Furthermore, I'm 99% certain this is one of the groups that was in the first episode of Season One.  I guess they don't realize that this reflects directly upon them, as well.

I have no doubt they're already recruiting for Season Three.   Furthermore, I have no doubt, they'll find enough idiots to fill each episode with glamorous stupidity, further denigrating the concept of preparedness.

And <expletive deleted> me if I can't stop watching.  THAT's what's so frustrating.

The Professor
(the shame. . .THE SHAME)

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 28, 2012, 11:01:57 PM
The really odd thing is. . .if I'm not mistaken (and I don't think I am) the people who are producing this is actually a company owned by "Practical Preppers,"  the alleged "experts" who rate the preps.  Furthermore, I'm 99% certain this is one of the groups that was in the first episode of Season One.  I guess they don't realize that this reflects directly upon them, as well.

It seems Practical Preppers sold out one way or another being connected with this show. They were indeed on the first episode of season one. They are now the 'experts' that rate the other people on episodes after that one. I say they sold out as they seemed to have their stuff mostly together when they were the subject in episode one. Now in my opinion, it looks like they are just promoting the perceived stereotypical weirdness of preppers, all in the name of money to be part of this farce of a show on prepping. And yes.. I would kindly say that to their face/s and I think they would be able to see my sadness on having to say that.

Alan Madison was the producer in the first season. I don't know if he bailed or has continued with it or if Practical Preppers have taken over as producers.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: d3nni5 on November 29, 2012, 06:29:12 AM
And <expletive deleted> me if I can't stop watching.  THAT's what's so frustrating.

The Professor
(the shame. . .THE SHAME)

And this IS the point.  NatGeo (or any other channel, and trust me more are coming) knows we watch.   They don't care about perception, or helping, it is ultimately ad sales they worry about.   They got a formula, they are honing it, and the sponsors are lining up.   

So, why DO we watch?   Personally, not only do I watch, I DVR it so I can watch it when I want.  And I actually do see things that help me.   I'm about 6+ months  into this prepping mindset.   Forums and podcasts like this help me weed out the nonsense from the actual good information.  I'm very happy I found this forum and Jack's show.   I also have a few friends that have started with me on this endeavor, keeping each other in check.

So, I'm sure I'll keep watching if for no other reason than to figure out what NOT to do.   If they aren't paid actor's, which I'm with The Sage on this, they are using some awfully poor judgement......and that is almost sad.    It's only a matter of time before we have our own Prepper Snooki, half drunk, shooting rounds down range, taking it to a whole new low.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: hanzel on November 29, 2012, 07:21:49 AM

The guy Steve reminded me of Cousin Eddie (Randy Quaid) from the "Vacation" movies.

I noticed that :)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: hanzel on November 29, 2012, 07:31:56 AM
Last night's show convinced me these people must be paid actors. This can't be real.


The guy takes his daughter to the range and she clearly shows she wants no part of shooting and the father appears to be in a different world claiming he can count on her to defend herself.


We don't live in a free society, if you publicize what last night's show did, it will get you in hot water. OPSEC, OPSEC, OPSEC.

OPSEC would have also been the fact that they should were the guy lived.  I watched the show because the person was from Houston.  Then I noticed the street signs and thought I know this area.  Then went on google maps and used street view.  Looking at Google maps and the freeze frame on the tv I went, tree ... tree ... fence ... fence ... light pole... light pole .. turn 180 degrees and yep .. thats his house.  Opps.

Who else noticed the laser targeting with no laser on the gun ?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on November 29, 2012, 09:18:38 AM
Yeah, remember that they tried to get the pole-dancing, booty-short wearing party chick in the first season to kill her cat, on camera, too.

Wait, what?! They tried to get her to kill her cat?

If that's true they just went from scum to low life pieces of sh^t in my book.  :pissed:
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 29, 2012, 09:26:13 AM
Wait, what?! They tried to get her to kill her cat?
If that's true they just went from scum to low life pieces of sh^t in my book.  :pissed:

She mentioned eating her cat if a SHTF scenario happened on screen and apparently she blogged somewhere that offscreen the producers said they would pay her $1,500.00 if she would do it for the camera after she stated the first part.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: DrJohn on November 29, 2012, 09:40:39 AM
WTF is wrong with those people?  ???
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on November 29, 2012, 09:41:36 AM
wow... I knew the producers were a-holes, but that is absolutely psychotic.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: rikkrack on November 29, 2012, 09:58:41 AM
They keep pushing the envelope and making more unrealistic views of preppers because people keep watching and talking about them. The more people watch the more advertisers pay, the longer the shows stay on the air. I quit watching. One, we no longer support the cable/satellite business. I can get more reputable and realistic info on here or other places on the net. AND with no commercials. Two, it just got too crazy, and mad me frustrated that THIS show is what the grasshoppers base their opinions of me on.

I originally watched for ideas and like others said what NOT to do. But I would rather come on here go through the threads, and if I cannot find something I ask and like 10 people either had the same question or provide solutions. or there is google-fu, e-books, etc.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: endurance on November 29, 2012, 10:35:16 AM
I think a reality show on most of the preppers would be boring as hell. 

Man goes to the grocery store, buys food, comes home, puts some food in downstairs freeze, pulls some out of downstairs freezer and brings it upstairs.  Puts some food on shelves, pulls some older food from shelves and brings it upstairs.  Man puts away groceries.

Wife sits down at computer, pays mortgage, pays phone bill, pays life insurance, health insurance, flood insurance, car insurance, checks savings, takes some money out of savings for purchase of some silver and/or gold.

Husband and wife invite friends over for a barbecue.  They go downstairs and get food.  They discover the grill is out of gas and go to the shed to get a new bottle.

Frankly, it would be boring as hell, but that's the way I like it. ;)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: rikkrack on November 29, 2012, 10:44:21 AM
What about a 1 hr show of compilation of vids on how to or informational segments. Going with the boring part, until he died, could have gotten the guy who painted on PBS channel Bob....somebody. You know, the guy painting "happy little tree" 10 min and I was out. Woke up hour later and he had completed canvas of work.

How to make fire...101 ways.

May be more of a PBS type thing. We actually do this now. Laptop connected to TV. "Kids what do we want to learn how to do?" Fun on Sunday mornings. Coffee, relaxed by fire. and NO COMMERCIALS. 

The middle child said one day "I wanna learn to trap a bear"...funny there are videos on that. He went out and tried to set it up in our suburban lot, in our 0.2 acre privacy fenced-in yard.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 29, 2012, 11:08:34 AM
OPSEC would have also been the fact that they should were the guy lived.  I watched the show because the person was from Houston.  Then I noticed the street signs and thought I know this area.  Then went on google maps and used street view.  Looking at Google maps and the freeze frame on the tv I went, tree ... tree ... fence ... fence ... light pole... light pole .. turn 180 degrees and yep .. thats his house.  Opps.

Who else noticed the laser targeting with no laser on the gun ?


Well, IIRC, the pistol was a S&W M&P.   

You don't need external lasers for an M&P (or GLOCK, SA XDM, Beretta, Taurus, SIG).  There are internal, guide-rod lasers you can get that allow you to use the same holster and have the laser with you at all times, ready to be turned on with the flick of a tiny switch:

http://www.lasermax.com/Products/GuideRodLasers.aspx (http://www.lasermax.com/Products/GuideRodLasers.aspx)

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: Oil Lady on November 29, 2012, 01:04:01 PM
I don't know if that's a valid question, anymore.

Health insurance : Mandated by Obama
Auto Insurance : Mandated by every state if you want to drive the vehicle on "public" roads.
Home Insurance: Mandated by most of the banks who carry your home loan.

Not trying to be a wet blanket, I read your response and it just sorta struck me outta the blue that Insurance is no longer an option, but a requirement.

The Professor


Yeah, but I carry comprehensive on my own vehicle. ;)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: meapplejak on November 29, 2012, 01:50:24 PM
What about a 1 hr show of compilation of vids on how to or informational segments. Going with the boring part, until he died, could have gotten the guy who painted on PBS channel Bob....somebody. You know, the guy painting "happy little tree" 10 min and I was out. Woke up hour later and he had completed canvas of work.


Bob Ross.   Awesome dude

Check out the remix on youtube and the mr rogers one too :)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: rikkrack on November 29, 2012, 01:56:46 PM
That's the guy! he was local Ball State prof. Growing up he could put me to sleep on a weekend afternoon as fast as golf.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: stry67 on November 30, 2012, 05:02:21 PM
It seems Practical Preppers sold out one way or another being connected with this show. They were indeed on the first episode of season one. They are now the 'experts' that rate the other people on episodes after that one. I say they sold out as they seemed to have their stuff mostly together when they were the subject in episode one. Now in my opinion, it looks like they are just promoting the perceived stereotypical weirdness of preppers, all in the name of money to be part of this farce of a show on prepping. And yes.. I would kindly say that to their face/s and I think they would be able to see my sadness on having to say that.

Alan Madison was the producer in the first season. I don't know if he bailed or has continued with it or if Practical Preppers have taken over as producers.



If I remember right, the first episode of season one had those two guys from the nc area and one is a pretty big youtube guy that goes by the handle of ncprepper annnd isn't practcal preppers his company?
Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 30, 2012, 08:36:11 PM
It seems Practical Preppers sold out one way or another being connected with this show. They were indeed on the first episode of season one. They are now the 'experts' that rate the other people on episodes after that one. I say they sold out as they seemed to have their stuff mostly together when they were the subject in episode one. Now in my opinion, it looks like they are just promoting the perceived stereotypical weirdness of preppers, all in the name of money to be part of this farce of a show on prepping. And yes.. I would kindly say that to their face/s and I think they would be able to see my sadness on having to say that.

Alan Madison was the producer in the first season. I don't know if he bailed or has continued with it or if Practical Preppers have taken over as producers.

Cedar

In all honesty, from what they've done and what they've shown, it's obvious they're probably making more money from the ads on this show than they are "advising" or "consulting," if the quality of "advice" they've given is to be any sort of barometer.

Yes. . .that's catty.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on November 30, 2012, 10:33:18 PM
Alan Madison is STILL the producer of DP.

http://www.fastcocreate.com/1681947/paranoid-or-prepared-what-you-can-learn-from-those-nutty-doomsday-preppers#1

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Paranoid Or Prepared? What You Can Learn From Those Nutty “Doomsday Preppers”

By: Christine Champagne -- Nov 15, 2012

NatGeo’s Doomsday Preppers may seem batpoop crazy to you, but post-Sandy, and in light of warnings that calamity may become more common, what can we learn from these extreme practitioners of paranoid prep? Executive producer Alan Madison talks about working with the show’s survivalists, and a survival consultant shares advice on how to be prepared for when disaster strikes.
 

Alan Madison’s wife recently asked him to stop buying beans.

“I was like, ‘What do you mean?’ ” Madison recounts. “And she goes, ‘Every time you go to the supermarket you come back with a couple cans of beans. I don’t know if you’re doing it consciously, but you have to stop. We have three-thousand cans of beans.’ ”

That’s a bit of an exaggeration, Madison says with a laugh. But he does admit that he was unconsciously stocking the pantry with lentils and garbanzos, and he knows full well it’s because he spends so much time with the survivalists--a.k.a. preppers--featured on Doomsday Preppers, now in its second season on the National Geographic Channel....





Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cpf240 on November 30, 2012, 10:42:29 PM
If I remember right, the first episode of season one had those two guys from the nc area and one is a pretty big youtube guy that goes by the handle of ncprepper annnd isn't practcal preppers his company?

They are Southernprepper1 and Engineer775 on youtube. Yes, they formed the company Practical Preppers. They have posted several videos of work they have done for others, mostly dealing with solar power and water well systems.

Recently Southernprepper1 left Practical Preppers to focus more on the things he wants to do.

I wouldn't be surprised if anything they provide(d) to Doomsday Preppers rating people on the show was as subject to the "editorial shenanigans" that happen with the rest of the show.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: ForgedPatriot on December 01, 2012, 07:02:06 AM
I stopped watching this show after the first season because I knew the producers were going to screw it up in some way. The idea of making a show about prepping...awesome. The idea of signing up for a show that millions of people see, and will now know not only who you are and where you are at, but what you are doing....idiotic. You instantly make yourself a target for not only government types when you do this, but for everyone in your immediate area that knows you, and now know you are the one to come to when the SHTF....because you will have EVERYTHING that THEY need and WANT. To each his own. Just my 2 cents worth   ::)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: hanzel on December 01, 2012, 07:57:27 AM

Well, IIRC, the pistol was a S&W M&P.   

You don't need external lasers for an M&P (or GLOCK, SA XDM, Beretta, Taurus, SIG).  There are internal, guide-rod lasers you can get that allow you to use the same holster and have the laser with you at all times, ready to be turned on with the flick of a tiny switch:

http://www.lasermax.com/Products/GuideRodLasers.aspx (http://www.lasermax.com/Products/GuideRodLasers.aspx)

The Professor

Wife already deleted it off the DVR so I cant watch it again intil the rerun.  It just looked ... wrong ?  Like it had been added in later for effect.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: Thox Spuddy on December 01, 2012, 08:41:59 AM
What a valid point. It may just be a matter of time before prepping is a mandate. Car accidents caused the need for vehicle insurance, damage to homes required banks to protect property, health insurance due to costs and cover Dr.'s. How much are disasters costing FEMA and homeland security responding and taking care of the grasshoppers (really all of us in taxes) before they make a prepper insurance necessary?

I have heard daily on the radio with the kids (I refuse to listen to the radio normally and prefer podcasts) that FEMA and homeland security have had several different ads. They are now stating to have 7 days of preps vs the 72 hrs. Then direct people to their respective websites.

If it is mandated that we must buy something that isn't mentioned in the constitution (insurance), maybe it is time that it is mandated that we must buy that which is in the constitution (Bill of Rights): firearms.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: d3nni5 on December 01, 2012, 09:01:42 PM
They are Southernprepper1 and Engineer775 on youtube. Yes, they formed the company Practical Preppers. They have posted several videos of work they have done for others, mostly dealing with solar power and water well systems.

Recently Southernprepper1 left Practical Preppers to focus more on the things he wants to do.

I wouldn't be surprised if anything they provide(d) to Doomsday Preppers rating people on the show was as subject to the "editorial shenanigans" that happen with the rest of the show.


I get Comcast Xfinity here in WV.   In the OnDemand section under TV Shows, they not only have this season's shows to watch, but a couple of 10 minute "Prepper Tips" segments.   It looks like the same two guys you mention above here on youtube.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cpf240 on December 02, 2012, 12:50:17 AM

I get Comcast Xfinity here in WV.   In the OnDemand section under TV Shows, they not only have this season's shows to watch, but a couple of 10 minute "Prepper Tips" segments.   It looks like the same two guys you mention above here on youtube.

Thank you for mentioning this, as I was unaware of these 'bonus" episodes. I'm on AT$T U-Ver$e here in SoCal, and there are 2 episodes available, at least until 12/3/12. I'll check them out tomorrow!
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: stry67 on December 02, 2012, 04:50:18 PM
They are Southernprepper1 and Engineer775 on youtube. Yes, they formed the company Practical Preppers. They have posted several videos of work they have done for others, mostly dealing with solar power and water well systems.

Recently Southernprepper1 left Practical Preppers to focus more on the things he wants to do.

I wouldn't be surprised if anything they provide(d) to Doomsday Preppers rating people on the show was as subject to the "editorial shenanigans" that happen with the rest of the show.

 Yep, after I posted it, I said to myself the namewasn't right and went and looked. Ill bet a dollar to a doughnut there's more to him leaving than what he stated in his vid in Oct. I suspect it has a a lot to do with how that show is coming across and he wants to distance himself.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cep89 on December 12, 2012, 09:07:29 AM
There may be hope for this show.  Last nights show 12/11/12 was pretty good.  The guy running for city council to get his community to prep was good.  It showed how he integrated other issues (religion) in to his prepping.  I learned something from the last guy about making food in a fish tank and he was also working to get his community ready.  Nobody on this show came off as crazy.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on December 12, 2012, 05:42:01 PM
It's honestly gotten to the point where I just won't watch the show.  There is absolutely nothing of value.  It's obvious that it's the intention of either the production company or NatGeo to make fools-apparent of everyone who appears on their show.

What's worse, they will intentionally twist the words and situations around solely for the sensational aspect.  They have no desire, or intention, to show preppers in any sort of neutral, or favorable, light.

I, for one, am extremely tempted to write long, and strongly-worded letters to each of the advertisers of the show asking them how they can support such a negative presentation of the people off of whom they make their money.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: rikkrack on December 12, 2012, 07:10:12 PM
Great idea professor!!! Hit them where it hurts. Without the sponsors the show can't exist, or at least maybe get the sponsors to support change. Direct them to all the negativity on forums towards the show. Now that you bring it up who are the sponsors? I cut cable a while ago and stopped watching before then. U would be in favor of jot supporting the sponsors who support the show. I already do not support Walmart. Will my one family spending matter to Walmart? Maybe not but they say the same thing about my one vote.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on December 12, 2012, 08:11:32 PM
I'm betting this show is a pot of gold for sponsors.  I suspect that most of their audience are the people who love this kind of t.v. (any Kardashian, Big Brother, Real Housewives, etc) that they can watch and make fun of others.  I'm betting there are even many preppers that love to watch the show and poke fun.  If you don't like the show, welcome to the 1 percenter's club.

I too support writing the sponsors.  Not enough people speak up or cast a vote, that's why the country is in such a mess.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: pokeshell on December 15, 2012, 04:35:55 AM
You're very lucky. . .and one of the very few.  I'd be interested to see exactly how many people in this country actually own their homes, outright (barring the argument that you're truly not allowed to own your home free-and-clear, vis-a-vis property taxes).

The Professor

That is a pretty insulting comment. Luck does not have anything to do with hard work and ethics. I was dealt a bad hand, a pretty shitty hand. I have qualified for disability since 2 months after I put myself through one of the best private univerities in the 5 state area.

I can pay my debts in cash if needed. Took 20 years of hard work, and teasing from my friends, and sometiee embarrisment to my wife. But if the wheels fall off this sucker, I own my shit. It was not by luck.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: pokeshell on December 15, 2012, 04:46:09 AM
There may be hope for this show.  Last nights show 12/11/12 was pretty good.  The guy running for city council to get his community to prep was good.  It showed how he integrated other issues (religion) in to his prepping.  I learned something from the last guy about making food in a fish tank and he was also working to get his community ready.  Nobody on this show came off as crazy.

It was the best show yet. He had a plan to deliver\disperse and train quick for growing algae as food. The aquaplonics shows have been inspirational also.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on December 15, 2012, 02:15:52 PM
That is a pretty insulting comment. Luck does not have anything to do with hard work and ethics. I was dealt a bad hand, a pretty shitty hand. I have qualified for disability since 2 months after I put myself through one of the best private univerities in the 5 state area.

I can pay my debts in cash if needed. Took 20 years of hard work, and teasing from my friends, and sometiee embarrisment to my wife. But if the wheels fall off this sucker, I own my shit. It was not by luck.

LOL, take it any way you want.  All the hard work and ethics in the world won't help if the company you work for up and moves to Mexico/China/Malaysia.  All the degrees from private universities won't help if the industry in which you work takes a nose-dive due to nothing YOU had to do with other than choose it as your particular field of expertise. 

There are plenty of people out there who worked their butts off, with no help from anyone else and who got stuck holding the short end of the stick.

Are you insinuating that the people who have lost their homes and their livelihoods are not hard workers?  Are you suggesting that all they had to do to fully own their homes outright was work harder and, perhaps, go to a private school? That perhaps their lesser educations were the cause of their problems?  Perhaps their wives weren't as embarrassed with them, but should have been?

And, while you claim that you own your home outright, what happens if you miss a property tax payment?  Or are the rest of us just idiots for living in places that have property tax?

There are factors beyond people's control that happen to them.  I consider myself extremely lucky.  Up until recently, I had two homes that were paid for, with the exception of annual property taxes (both were destroyed during wildfires, this year, I am taking on a bit of additional, temporary debt to upgrade the rebuilt homes).  I have advanced degrees (oh, by the way. . .I took absolutely NO loans for them. . .I worked while I studied and used all (and more) of my GI Bill and College Fund), I know how to network.  I chose areas of study which have very low chances of collapsing in the future and are not specifically dependent upon the state of the economy.  I got good jobs, early on.  I took several private contracts during the late unpleasantness to fund further education and the creation of several income generators. Oh, and just for full disclosure, I am considered disabled by the VA because of some of my misadventures.

Have I worked hard?  Arguable.  Probably not as hard as my father, definitely not as hard as my Grandfather.  Do I have good work ethics?  My former employers would say so, as does my current employer which recently approved a dream job for me.

We do know, through your own assertions that you are a hard worker and have great work ethics. However, for every one of you, there are scores of others who work just as hard and have ethics that are on par with your high levels, but fate has dealt them a bad hand this time around.  Some will survive, some will not , some will overcome and some will BE overcome. . .even those with great work ethics and who are hard workers.

Moreover, there are millions who are still in the middle of their mortgages who are working 2, 3 or even 4 jobs to pay their mortgage, keep the lights on , keep their kids fed and pay their taxes because this economy is in a "temporary downturn" through no fault of their own.

Oh, wait. . .they should work HARDER and, perhaps, take a few advanced ethics classes from a private university, right?

Be insulted.  I don't really care.  There are others who have suffered greater insults than being less lucky than you are.

The Professor


Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers Forum
Post by: Oil Lady on December 16, 2012, 08:17:45 AM
http://www.doomsdayprepperforums.com/index.php

Doesn't look to be tied directly to the show, but I'm sure is trying to get traffic because of their name. ;)

I am registering right now to post. And I am very suspicious that perhaps maybe this forum IS connected to the show.

Here's all the data fields from their "new member registration" page. Get a load of all the stupid fields that are "required" fields. They are mandating that in order to register for the forum, you MUST violate all kinds of OpSec. I am pretty sure this message forum has NOT been started by true preppers. I think it's been started by someone who is phishing for prospective candidates for ... interviews.  (Or worse, for spammer e-mails.)


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Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: ttubravesrock on January 04, 2013, 11:26:49 AM
OFF TOPIC:
Professor - I generally enjoy your posts and agree with most of the things you say, but I have to kinda sorta disagree with you and kinda sorta agree with pokeshell on this topic; although I don't fully agree with either of you (that's what forums are for!).

This is true: Just because someone has lost their job or their home does not mean that they are not a hard worker.
However, here is where I disagree with you.

Nobody is forced to go to college/university to get a degree.
If you choose to get a degree, nobody is forced to go into debt to get that degree.
If you choose to go into debt to get that degree, nobody is forced to attend a private college/university (these are generally way more expensive).
If you choose to go into debt to get a degree at a private university, nobody is forced to buy a house.
If you choose to buy a house, nobody is forced to take out a mortgage.

I'll use myself as an example.
I chose to go to a public university to get my degree.
I chose to go into debt to get my degree (I took out loans for tuition only. Everything else was covered by me working part/full time).
I chose to accept a decent paying job in an expensive place to live. My job is government, so I will never make massive amounts of money, but I don't have to worry about my company packing up and moving to Mexico, either.
I own two used vehicles that were purchased with cash.
I make enough income to easily justify a mortgage on a decent sized well built house.  Most of my coworkers live in nice houses.
However, my wife and I chose to rent a dry cabin (no plumbing) for very cheap until we can afford to make a 100% down payment on a property.
Once we own our property, we may choose to take out a small loan against our equity if there is a project that needs to be done.

I don't like to stand on my soapbox, but if there is one issue that makes me do so, it is personal finances. 

There is always a choice. It doesn't matter if you are thinking big (buying a house) or small (what to do for lunch). There is always a choice to be made.  People see things differently. Some may say "My take home pay is $5000 a month, I have a $1500 mortgage, $500 in car payments, $1000 in utilities and bills and $10,000 in the bank. I can afford to splurge on little things.  While that person may be correct, I see it as "You have $250,000 in debt and if you were to lose that income for even a short time, you would be screwed." I could also see it as "Instead of splurging on lunch this month, while things are going well, you can afford to pay $3000 a month on your mortgage or $2000 a month on car payments."

Debt is not a tool, it is a weakness.

ON TOPIC

Are the recent episodes being made available on YouTube like previous episodes were? I am at work now, but would be interested in watching them when I get home, especially the 12/11 episode that was mentioned above me.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: cep89 on February 24, 2013, 11:52:11 AM
This last show with the Hawaii guy drinking his own urine and offering it to his girlfriend was the worst yet.  Nat Geo must be getting tried of making preppers look crazy, now they want to make preppers look sick. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on February 24, 2013, 12:13:42 PM
This last show with the Hawaii guy drinking his own urine and offering it to his girlfriend was the worst yet.  Nat Geo must be getting tried of making preppers look crazy, now they want to make preppers look sick.

Yes, but I liked the family from Alaska that was on the same episode.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on February 27, 2013, 10:56:04 AM
No they aren't. This is all part of the elite agenda of making people who prepare for disasters and "inconveniences" as FOOLISH. They want you DEPENDENT on the government, NOT able to fend for yourself.

Why do you think all of these doomsday preppers shows are on along with tons of shows making fun of the Amish, and all these "Hoarder" TV shows etc etc all simultaneously?

That is why they call television "PROGRAMMING"
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on February 27, 2013, 11:25:00 AM
No they aren't. This is all part of the elite agenda of making people who prepare for disasters and "inconveniences" as FOOLISH. They want you DEPENDENT on the government, NOT able to fend for yourself.

Why do you think all of these doomsday preppers shows are on along with tons of shows making fun of the Amish, and all these "Hoarder" TV shows etc etc all simultaneously?

That is why they call television "PROGRAMMING"

Well that can be said for all t.v. broadcasts then, including news channels.  I simply find it entertainment. . . .  Give a guy some credit, sheesh.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: d3nni5 on February 27, 2013, 11:53:53 AM

Why do you think all of these doomsday preppers shows are on along with tons of shows making fun of the Amish, and all these "Hoarder" TV shows etc etc all simultaneously?


Because it sells advertising.   Bottom line is the money.   It's sensationalized because folks tune in (including me) to watch it.   What's more fun?  Watching the trainwreck of an idiot drink his own pee and "ask his intuition" if eating the red berries is OK.....or person actually sitting down and calculating nutritional needs of stored food, shelf life, getting out of debt and educating themselves on self sufficiency?

I'm sure a lot of us on this forum would be regular viewers of an educational prepper TV show that actually taught you something along the way.  Wouldn't make prime time though.

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: rikkrack on February 27, 2013, 12:00:29 PM
I'm sure a lot of us on this forum would be regular viewers of an educational prepper TV show that actually taught you something along the way.  Wouldn't make prime time though.

I would watch it, and wish there was something like this. I could see a whole channel about this. Paul Wheaton video's (Rocketmass) Jacks videos, Southern Prepper 1, Ron Hood, etc. I would like to watch on my big TV through my Roku. That is actually a channel I would pay for. Can I set it up this way now, yes, but is a pain and for every good video out there on Youtube there are 10 of stupid people wanting 15 sec of fame. Need some editing and screening. I would even watch commercials IF they were truly prepper related. i.e. the Berkey, or gear I would use and not all the BS on the channels now.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on February 28, 2013, 10:28:44 AM
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Because it sells advertising.   Bottom line is the money.   It's sensationalized because folks tune in (including me) to watch it.   What's more fun?  Watching the trainwreck of an idiot drink his own pee and "ask his intuition" if eating the red berries is OK.....or person actually sitting down and calculating nutritional needs of stored food, shelf life, getting out of debt and educating themselves on self sufficiency?

I will surely not deny that being a legitimate reason for the sensationalism of those subjects. Of course people will watch a train wreck when they see one!

This is the reason that show "Man Vs. Wild" became so much more popular than "Survivorman" — even though Bear Grylls stays in hotels and gets flown out to the locations each day instead of actually surviving in the wild when filming HIS show.

However, there is a larger agenda afoot — I forgot to mention the Extreme Couponers show being among the demonetization of people who are prepared agenda.

Remember — among all of the shows that get submitted to these networks for consideration each season, someone very high up in the ranks gets to determine which ones make it to the air. The producers of these shows are certainly going for sensationalism — but there are plenty of OTHER "sensational" shows being submitted that are getting rejected to make room for them to push this "anti-prepper" agenda which is underfoot.

If you don't believe the media is being used to sway the opinion of the dumbed down masses, then you haven't learned much about Nazi Germany and Edward Bernays in your history lessons.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on February 28, 2013, 10:44:18 AM
*never mind*

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on March 06, 2013, 10:08:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2T_mlE2ogMA

There, I rest my case...

Just listen to what the people had to say who were NOT prepared for Hurricane Sandy — when asked what they thought about people who prepare for disasters.

No agenda afoot here — move along, move along.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: pokeshell on September 12, 2013, 07:21:35 PM
Anyone watchin Doomsday Castle? The latest episode, they start a food forest. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Ms. Albatross on September 13, 2013, 08:55:30 AM
Anyone watchin Doomsday Castle? The latest episode, they start a food forest. 

I haven't started watching yet.  I'm DVRing (is that even a word?) the whole season.  I'll sit down and watch it all in a weekend - fast forwarding through the dumb parts and the commercials.  I'm sure there will be a lot of dumb parts.  But I'm willing to give it a chance.  There might some interesting tidbits to learn here and there....
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on September 13, 2013, 09:01:53 AM
One, I am amazed this show DP is still on the air (but I guess I shouldnt be) and two.. they have a spin-off now?  :-\

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on September 13, 2013, 09:04:46 AM
I haven't started watching yet.  I'm DVRing (is that even a word?) the whole season.  I'll sit down and watch it all in a weekend - fast forwarding through the dumb parts and the commercials.  I'm sure there will be a lot of dumb parts.  But I'm willing to give it a chance.  There might some interesting tidbits to learn here and there....

It appears to be very scripted, and not well I might add.  This show is even worse than DP IMO.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: inconel710 on September 13, 2013, 09:48:23 AM
I did catch the part of one episode where the young idiot tried to kill himself with a tractor "testing" their drawbridge door.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on September 13, 2013, 11:08:16 AM
I started the first episode, but lost interest when dad almost dropped a tree on the daughter, and most of the episode looked like it was going to be about a catapult and the weenie older brother trying to prove himself. No thanks.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: bluecollar74 on October 08, 2013, 08:10:50 PM
Just got a reply from 88 tactical

Did you notice that his son's name is Klaus?
The first famous Klaus I thought of is Klaus Barbie.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on October 09, 2013, 01:54:02 AM
As an interesting aside:

At the Denver Self-Reliance Expo was a  young lady, sitting by herself in an unmarked booth.  No banner, not even a cardboard placing for her booth.  She had a simple table, draped by the venue.  On it she had two pieces of paper and a pen.  That was all.

Who was this young lady?  Well, she was hired through a local agency to work for NatGeo.  She was there to try and get names of people who might be interested in being highlighted by Doomsday Preppers!

Speaking to her on Saturday evening about an hour before the show ended, she had garnered a whopping 10 prospective interviewees.

I am both heartened and saddened by this situation.  First off, it's obvious that NatGeo realizes they're tapping a decreasing well.   They didn't even spend a few bucks to ship the lady any sort of banner or proper advertising.  This poor girl kept asking and asking people all weekend if they wanted to be on Doomsday Preppers.  A lot of people outright told her what they thought of DP. . .and it wasn't nice.

I am saddened, however, by the 10 people that DID sign up.  Obviously, they either haven't seen the show or are too stupid to realize that they will be made laughingstocks.

Ah well.  Just thought I'd share.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on October 09, 2013, 03:26:31 AM
Obviously, they either haven't seen the show or are too stupid to realize that they will be made laughingstocks.

Some people don't really care how they make their 15 minutes of fame I guess.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on October 09, 2013, 04:38:10 AM

Speaking to her on Saturday evening about an hour before the show ended, she had garnered a whopping 10 prospective interviewees.



And only 2 of those 10 will likely pan out during the pre-production screening process as acceptable guests.

Here's to hoping this whole show eventually tanks.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on October 09, 2013, 12:28:47 PM
The worst thing about it, is those 10 people who signed up may not even be whack jobs. When reporters come to interview you, they will sit there and try to goad you into giving them little sound bytes they can edit together to make you look like a fool — even if they spend half an hour interviewing you.

I've had many experiences with this.

I put together a viral protest web site a number of years ago and had all the news media show up because of some PR stunts I pulled. They would all sit with me for half an hour doing a serious interview, but poking and prodding me to say something stupid or make an "angry face" or what have you — so that during the 30 second news spot they could edit the footage to make me look like a complete idiot.

I already knew this and didn't care because I just wanted to drive traffic to my website — and it was extremely effective at meeting my goal.

These doomsday prepper production assholes will just follow your family around for 2-3 weeks looking for anything they can find to make you seem like a bunch of foolish idiots — and from all the raw footage they can certainly pull out the 10-15 minutes worth of footage to make you and your family look like total idiots — while simultaneously advertising where all of your crap is being stored for your neighbors to see.

Anyone who volunteers to go on that show must be an idiot to begin with though so as they say...

"OH WELL!"

Entertain me!
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on October 28, 2013, 11:56:40 PM
As an interesting aside:

At the Denver Self-Reliance Expo was a  young lady, sitting by herself in an unmarked booth.  No banner, not even a cardboard placing for her booth.  She had a simple table, draped by the venue.  On it she had two pieces of paper and a pen.  That was all.

Who was this young lady?  Well, she was hired through a local agency to work for NatGeo.  She was there to try and get names of people who might be interested in being highlighted by Doomsday Preppers!

Speaking to her on Saturday evening about an hour before the show ended, she had garnered a whopping 10 prospective interviewees.

I am both heartened and saddened by this situation.  First off, it's obvious that NatGeo realizes they're tapping a decreasing well.   They didn't even spend a few bucks to ship the lady any sort of banner or proper advertising.  This poor girl kept asking and asking people all weekend if they wanted to be on Doomsday Preppers.  A lot of people outright told her what they thought of DP. . .and it wasn't nice.

I am saddened, however, by the 10 people that DID sign up.  Obviously, they either haven't seen the show or are too stupid to realize that they will be made laughingstocks.

Ah well.  Just thought I'd share.

The Professor


Here's a young lady named Brooklyn Bagwell, the casting director for Doomsday Preppers. And she looks like she's 22 and barely out of film school or broadcast journalism school or video production school or whatever. She's a fricking KID, dammit! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifucGE-Av-I




Here in this video she explains she was a PA (production assistant) on the show for Season 1, and she wound up casting people for the final 5 episodes. So she evidently earned the job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj-vIlc0-zA


But still, she seems way too ............ amused by the whole undertaking of prepping. It's still a great big joke to her. She has the nerve to say "I feel like I'm part of a big prepping family!"  But as far as I'm concerned, she's still on the side of the fence where she's laughing at us. I'll believe she's one of us when she stops wearing those useless shoes, starts making homemade chicken stock, and starts saving to buy her own homestead.


 

::ETA::

OMG!  :o Nurse Amy is in this video with Brooklyn Bagwell!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_olDDNFOAg

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on October 29, 2013, 08:17:40 AM
Wow, that first video gave me a headache.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: inconel710 on October 29, 2013, 08:23:22 AM
Wow, that first video gave me a headache.

The Professor

Yeah, anyone that screams at the slightest sound gives me a headache as well.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Adam B. on October 30, 2013, 11:38:03 AM
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But as far as I'm concerned, she's still on the side of the fence where she's laughing at us.

That's because she IS on the side of the fence where she is laughing at us. Which in turn is just part of the mainstream media's agenda to indoctrinate the public into believing that big government is good, you should depend on them, being prepared is bad, don't ask questions, don't look at facts and scratch your head. Just sit down, shut up, do what you're told, don't question authority, and look the other way when you see them doing something wrong. And when the crisis takes place go wait in line for bread you stupid slaves.

When people take the red pill and snap out of their trance — the agenda is obvious everywhere they look.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on October 31, 2013, 09:47:17 AM
I just watched a few minutes of the most recent episode of DP.  For the record, I gave up after the first season.

Does the voice-over guy pi** anyone else off? His "movie phone" delivery annoys the living crap out of me, especially as a person who has done voice-overs and had several talk-radio shows.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on October 31, 2013, 10:47:20 AM
Is this show still on?

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Ms. Albatross on October 31, 2013, 11:08:33 AM
Is this show still on?

Cedar

Yup.  Tuesday nights.  Every other commercial on the recent broadcast of the movie American Blackout was a promotion for the season premiere Tuesday.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: ncjeeper on October 31, 2013, 11:43:26 AM
Maybe nat geo should start a new show and call it Obama care prepping since we are all getting screwed.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: CrunchDog on November 13, 2013, 12:18:43 AM
I know you guys don't follow "Doomsday Preppers" but I watch it because I think it's fun. Anyways, tonight's episode was weird, like most episodes. The first guy says his plan is to steal from other Preppers! Here's a link to the episode summary: We are the Marauders (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/doomsday-preppers/episodes/we-are-the-marauders/) is what the episode is called.

Thoughts on this guy trying to take your stuff. I can tell you right now he's not going to have a fun time at my place.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: FrugalFannie on November 13, 2013, 07:14:37 AM
I know you guys don't follow "Doomsday Preppers" but I watch it because I think it's fun. Anyways, tonight's episode was weird, like most episodes. The first guy says his plan is to steal from other Preppers! Here's a link to the episode summary: We are the Marauders (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/doomsday-preppers/episodes/we-are-the-marauders/) is what the episode is called.

Thoughts on this guy trying to take your stuff. I can tell you right now he's not going to have a fun time at my place.

He wont get my stuff.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on November 13, 2013, 07:33:57 AM
I know you guys don't follow "Doomsday Preppers" but I watch it because I think it's fun. Anyways, tonight's episode was weird, like most episodes. The first guy says his plan is to steal from other Preppers! Here's a link to the episode summary: We are the Marauders (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/doomsday-preppers/episodes/we-are-the-marauders/) is what the episode is called.

Thoughts on this guy trying to take your stuff. I can tell you right now he's not going to have a fun time at my place.

I couldn't believe it.  My wife was just livid. . . .  "the guy agree's that plans need to be made to prepare and his preperations are to steal from others"?  This is the worst kind of person.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 13, 2013, 08:38:09 AM
I saw the listing for the "We are the Marauders" episode and it did nothing but anger me.

Now, not only is NatGeo pushing the idea that preppers are stupid buffoons, but now they've decided to make them dangerous, as well? 

I've said it before, and I know it makes no difference to the people at NatGeo, but this disappoints me to a level that it taints everything and everyone involved with National Geographic.  Yes, I know the fault lies, early on, with the Producers who will screw anyone over to get their cash (I'm not going back to look at who it was, but someone here actually defended them as "good people" . . . can that really be said with a straight face, now?).

I'm going to watch the very next episode and write down each and every one of the advertisers.  Then, I'm going to write a letter to each explaining that I will not be spending ANY money with them if they continue to support NatGeo, and DP in particular.  This saddens me because, IIRC, there were a couple of big-name suppliers that advertised, one of which I considered a go-to seller.

It may not make any difference, but I'll feel better about it.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on November 13, 2013, 09:01:03 AM
Wow, haven't watching this one yet. So their plan is to steal from others who are prepared?

I don't see that ending well... for anyone...
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on November 13, 2013, 09:02:58 AM
Wow, haven't watching this one yet. So their plan is to steal from others who are prepared?

They have a six month supply of food, are learning survival techniques, and are training to steal food and supplies when their's runs out. . . .  They were very clear as to their intentions.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on November 13, 2013, 09:13:48 AM
So they spend their time training and preparing to steal others stuff, instead of shoring up their own supply line needs...

Hold on I need to go bang my head against a wall until I get brain damage to try to wrap my brain around this logic.  :banghead:
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Post by: nelson96 on November 13, 2013, 09:21:27 AM
So they spend their time training and preparing to steal others stuff, instead of shoring up their own supply line needs...

Hold on I need to go bang my head against a wall until I get brain damage to try to wrap my brain around this logic.  :banghead:

I think we all get it but, it's bad enough that they are planning and training to steal, but what is worse in my mind is that they realize something will happen that will require preparations and instead of shoring up their own preps to go long term, they are making plans to steal from those who are shoring up their prep's.  These kind of people are worse than normal thieves.
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Post by: Cedar on November 13, 2013, 09:32:43 AM
(http://gigaompaidcontent.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/shutterstock_96939038.jpg)

Thumbs down to National Geographic. Teaching and suggesting people to steal and probably try to murder people for something that they could have stored for themselves. If this actually happened, could NG be sued as an accessory to murder? If people can sue Marilyn Manson and the Beatles for music lyrics that people supposedly listened to and created crimes, and if a photo is worth 1,000 words, what is video on a TV show suggesting to people it is ok to do this?

I might actually go out of my way to watch this episode and good for you The Professor for writing to the advertisers. When you have them all written down can you post them here so others can write as well?

Cedar
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Post by: NWPilgrim on November 13, 2013, 10:25:47 AM
Here are some links to this wannabe moron:

In his overweight tactical glory as reported by local (Tacoma) paper:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/11/08/2880656/national-geographics-doomsday.html

His glorious defeat by KO at 0:37 in a local MMA fight (defeated at the hands of a guy named Tutu!!!)
http://www.nwfightscene.com/PrimalFights6.htm

Some tidbits:
- Obama supporter
- 80 other dimwit dues paying members of "Spartan Survival" team in the self-proclaimed Washington State Militia
- Makes his own body armor out of scrap steel (junkyard items) and bathroom tiles

This is fantasy land stupid twit.  He won't survive 30 seconds at the first house in rural Buckley he "ASSaults", with emphasis on BIG ASSault.  With his girth I estimate he had to scrounge scrap metal from half the junkyards around Puyallup.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 13, 2013, 11:19:19 AM
The whole article is appalling to me.. but this one I had to laugh at.. "Then Smith demonstrated how to start a fire using only cotton balls and petroleum jelly." Did he rub the two together?

People who think they are going to go out and get wild game in a SHTF situation are delusional in my book (sorry guys). I know a few people who went out hunting during NORMAL times this year and only nelson got a deer. Has anyone looked up the population stats of deer during the 1930's?

"By the 1930s, the whitetail, an abundant species when the settlers arrived in the early 1800s, had been pushed to extinction in deer Indiana"
"Said to be only 1 deer left in New Jersey at the end of the 1930's" They SERIOUSLY declined. Didn't start recovering again in most states until 15 years later. Shooting does was illegal in many states, no matter what.

Any wildlife was eaten by very hungry people during that time. Not just wildlife, but Wild Ginger was almost depleted from Oregon in the 1930's and it is still rare to find it here.. and I look for it.

 :rofl: "The pair used salvaged and bought steel and aluminum. A steel grill from an old security gate makes up some of the protection. Smith wants the suit to weigh from 80 to 100 pounds." I think to him... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT IN PNW WINTER MUD BUDDY!!! Or.. even in the PNW summers. You would have to drink 8 gallons a day to stay hydrated from all that sweating you are going to do.

Actually I do want them to wear that suit. They will be too tired to do anything and if they fall over, they won't be able to get back on thir feet.

Cedar


Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on November 13, 2013, 11:52:16 AM
People who think they are going to go out and get wild game in a SHTF situation are delusional in my book (sorry guys). I know a few people who went out hunting during NORMAL times this year and only nelson got a deer. Has anyone looked up the population stats of deer during the 1930's?

"By the 1930s, the whitetail, an abundant species when the settlers arrived in the early 1800s, had been pushed to extinction in deer Indiana"
"Said to be only 1 deer left in New Jersey at the end of the 1930's" They SERIOUSLY declined. Didn't start recovering again in most states until 15 years later. Shooting does was illegal in many states, no matter what.

Sorry to continue off subject but, current hunting success has little to no influence on the ability to kill an animal today or tomorrow.  I did not have success in elk hunting this year but that was ONLY due to the fact that I had rules to follow, one of which being that I could only kill a spike elk.  Only speaking of not being limited to a five day hunt period and shooting a spike, I could have killed hundreds of elk.  We were in the middle of over 200 head of elk opening day alone.  Every day following we could have easily killed cows and branch bulls within 50 yards of us.  Deer season is similar (I had a three day hunt).

I get your point Cedar, but it's a little broad in my opinion.  Give me 365 days of the year to hunt, let me kill any animal I find, let me shoot before sun up and after sun down. . . .  These are just a few handcuffs.

Will these animals eventually die out when we have no rules?  Sure, but I think there are more animals than you believe there are and less people with the ability to go after them once SHTF.
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Post by: Cedar on November 13, 2013, 12:12:58 PM
That is what I was trying to say I guess (and getting interupted a few dozen times).. with no rules in a SHTF the animal populations will dwindle. I know there are alot of them. I get them through my backyard daily. But I think they will more and more scarce. I remember that on the Oregon Trail.. going through new country where the wildlife was abundant, many people went hungry for fresh meat often and it got worse for the wagons who were near the end of the era. 

When I was small, I remember the elk herd coming through my hometown on migration each, but they have all been killed off.

A person cannot hunt 365 days a year and get other things done too can they?  ;)

The other thing I remember is that most gunshot victims on the Oregon Trail were within the first couple hundred miles of the journey. Not sure if it was Darwinism working there and weeded the worst out or they just got better with firearms with each mile, but alot of the injuries/deaths were self inflicted due to ignorance or standing near someone who was new to firearms. I so can see this happening in a SHTF situation as well.

But the last real SHTF situation in the whole country all at the same time was the Great Depression and some creatures were nearly hunted down to extinction in some states.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on November 13, 2013, 12:57:02 PM
I remember that on the Oregon Trail.. going through new country where the wildlife was abundant, many people went hungry for fresh meat often and it got worse for the wagons who were near the end of the era.

You look great for your age Cedar  ;)  They were not as equipped as we are now and most were city folks moving out to the country for the first time to eck out a better life.  They weren't hunters, though I'm sure they had a few.   

When I was small, I remember the elk herd coming through my hometown on migration each, but they have all been killed off.

I doubt that herd was killed off, they just changed their migration patterns to go somewhere else due to the creep from suburbia.

A person cannot hunt 365 days a year and get other things done too can they?  ;)

No, but I can select better times to hunt, like during the rut.  Currently in my State, rifle hunters are given the least oportune time to hunt of the year and only 5 to 9 days (out of 365) to do it in.

Without rules we will also be able to hunt the predators that currently dwindle the deer and elk herds, not to mention that we will not be able to access most of the population if we have less access to get to them.
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Post by: Cedar on November 13, 2013, 01:03:02 PM
You look great for your age Cedar  ;)  They were not as equipped as we are now and most were city folks moving out to the country for the first time to eck out a better life.  They weren't hunters, though I'm sure they had a few. 

And you do not think it will be the same when people decide they need to get out of the cities now? "City folks moving out to the country for the first time to eck out a better life"?

There was an article in the Oregonian many years ago about this herd. There ended up being only one cow left and she died finally up on Pete's Mountain in West Linn. When the older cows died off, the younger ones didn't migrate like they used to.

And true that on the predators. We tend to do the 3-s's in this area. A cop told me that LOL.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on November 13, 2013, 01:23:01 PM
And you do not think it will be the same when people decide they need to get out of the cities now? "City folks moving out to the country for the first time to eck out a better life"?

I was responding to your comment that "people who think they are going to go out and get wild game in a SHTF situation are delusional in my book".  You didn't say some people (who don't already have the skills to hunt or means to access the game), you made it sound like you were referencing ALL people.

There was an article in the Oregonian many years ago about this herd. There ended up being only one cow left and she died finally up on Pete's Mountain in West Linn. When the older cows died off, the younger ones didn't migrate like they used to.

If this was a very small herd that could be true, but I still have my doubts.  Elk don't mate for life and herds break up and go other places sometimes multiple times per year.  They don't truly have a migration for herds that permanentally reside on the west side of the Cascades anyway.

And true that on the predators. We tend to do the 3-s's in this area. A cop told me that LOL.

The 3-s's don't even put a small dent in the amount of predators that desimate our State wide herds.  As an example, how often you see a cougar, with the opportunity to kill it, doesn't reflect how many there are out there.  If we could use dogs, THEN we could make a difference.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 13, 2013, 01:28:37 PM
I was responding to your comment that "people who think they are going to go out and get wild game in a SHTF situation are delusional in my book".  You didn't say some people (who don't already have the skills to hunt or means to access the game), you made it sound like you were referencing ALL people.

Granted... I was speaking of the ones who have never held a rifle in their hands. But, even if it was me, I bet I would come home more empty handed that I would like.

Cedar

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 13, 2013, 05:56:21 PM
Here are some links to this wannabe moron:


Apex.

Predator.

<facepalm>

Oh, well.  Typical Doomsday Prepper subject.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: gringogigante on November 13, 2013, 07:03:21 PM
I actually just saw this mouth breathing moron? This guy is actually PLANNING on stealing everyone else's preps.  He spent the entire show talking about, planning for, and practicing committing future armed robbery, assault, and/or murder.    He built the most ridiculous "body armor" you could possibly imagine.   I'm not sure if I'm more shocked at his ignorance in thinking he could actually find enough people to steal from that would allow himself and his family to survive   or   that he was dumb enough to broadcast on national television premeditated theft, assault, and/or murder.

What a complete f'ing douche bag.  I haven't read the above linked article yet. But it seems awfully suspect for someone to proactively plan for and the PUBLICIZE premeditated theft, assault, murderer.

I'm no lawyer, but isn't it illegal to actually PLAN to commit a crime? He's actually shown his plans and then practiced them on TV....

Makes me wonder if he's selling Douche Bag Memberships to his ignorant club?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: fred.greek on November 13, 2013, 07:28:38 PM
It smells of an agenda to demonize "preppers". 

If the guy is "for real", I wonder how his dues paying associate feel about him announcing their intentions…
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Badhog on November 13, 2013, 07:41:19 PM
I haven't seen the show, but it's disappointing they would broadcast something like that.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 13, 2013, 07:45:20 PM
In trying to find "Mauraders", I started watching "Whatever it takes". The southern guy seems to be ok.. so far.. but I am only 8 minutes into it.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: CrunchDog on November 14, 2013, 03:14:28 AM
In trying to find "Mauraders", I started watching "Whatever it takes". The southern guy seems to be ok.. so far.. but I am only 8 minutes into it.

Cedar

Here you go Cedar, I usually watch them here if the DVR doesn't record it. Doomsday Preppers: Season 3 Episode 7 (http://watchseries.lt/episode/doomsday_preppers_s3_e7.html)

The second link worked best for me.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 14, 2013, 09:17:59 AM
Here you go Cedar, I usually watch them here if the DVR doesn't record it. Doomsday Preppers: Season 3 Episode 7 (http://watchseries.lt/episode/doomsday_preppers_s3_e7.html)

The second link worked best for me.

Thank you. I will watch it later tonight after SP goes to bed. Z is working late again tonight.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: allofthemonkeys on November 14, 2013, 05:30:31 PM
I love that dimwit was talking about how soldiers carry 100+ lbs into battle like it was nothing, but made a suit that didn't weigh near that (lets just say I have worked with metal and had to wear some body armor in the past).  I would love him to rock that much weight, he would stop himself from who knows what problems.  Plus his 'armor' only covered part of him, aim for the legs, or anything else sticking out.  I was very annoyed at his whole plan. 
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 14, 2013, 08:11:25 PM
I watched most of "We Are The Marauders" and might not finish it,  as "Eureka" is calling me.  I have been watching it in the evenings this month when I can. ;D (Didn't know I was into Sci-Fi? -- I am!)

Observations:
Why is the barn/shed cleaner to do a C-section than the house? Is their house THAT scummy? Actually, an open field would be cleaner than the barn. No animal dung dust or hay dust in a grassy field.
Medical people on here: Isn't his c-section mark, a BIT high?
Maybe he should spend more time fixing his roofs than working on 'body armour"? Especially the C-Section barn/shed.
For his 15 minutes of questionable fame, he has made him and his family a target. It has already started.
Another stereotypical dumbass prepper to give preppers a 'good reputation'... not!
Maybe he better go back to the schoolyard fights? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg0eWyODMoo#t=48
Apparently the Washington State Militia was smart http://washingtonstatemilitia.ning.com/profile/TylerSmith
He took his FaceBook page down after LOTS of nasty comments (probably with good reason) to him. Death threats in fact.
If he didn't make his phone number unlisted by Noon today, he should have.

What is sad, is this guy believes in his own stupidity and not only are his family is following him, but 80 PAYING ignorant people are following this complete git who are taking his word as 'the way it is' and him as a guru. It also makes the general public who are non-preppers possibly think all preppers are ignorant criminals.

 This seems to be a type of CULT he has created really....

10 Points to look out for in cult members

Tyler Smith in Buckley, Washington: This guy and ALL 80 members of his "Mauraders group" should be Dox'd, with photos, then you know who needs to be taken out if there is a trespasser on your place in Buckley, Washington (or surrounding area if he doesn't die from lugging that armour around) if SHTF. But I suspect that he and some of his follows may be on the "Darwin Award" list one of these days WAY before SHTF.

Glad the Costa Rica family offset this other [blankety blank] bozo.

Cedar
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Post by: Ms. Albatross on November 14, 2013, 08:48:43 PM
I watched most of "We Are The Marauders" and might not finish it,  as "Eureka" is calling me.  I have been watching it in the evenings this month when I can. ;D (Didn't know I was into Sci-Fi? -- I am!)

But I suspect that he and some of his follows may be on the "Darwin Award" list one of these days WAY before SHTF.

Cedar
+ 1   Their future nomination as Darwin Award contenders was my first thought about these yahoo's.

Eureka was awesome!  We're kindred spirits.   ;)

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Rottenclam on November 14, 2013, 09:33:58 PM
They have a six month supply of food, are learning survival techniques, and are training to steal food and supplies when their's runs out. . . .  They were very clear as to their intentions.

Not directing this at you, Nelson96 - just quoting your very nice summary of this episode....

I'm pretty much assuming that everybody will have these nefarious intentions in an extreme SHTF situation.  In all likelihood, this particular "marauder" group wont last 6 months anyway.  They'll likely get ripped off or start feeding on themselves long before they can execute the big climax to their grand survival plan.

I watched a bunch of episodes of Season 1 of doomsday preppers, and it was pretty silly.  Kind of like "The Devils Ride" is to outlaw bikers.  The producers are just going to keep coming up will dumber and dumber concepts for groups as the show continues.  This marauders episode represents a milestone in how stupid the show has become.  No real surprise given that this is reality tv on a non PBS channel.

BTW - I agree  w/ The Professor that this kind of crud is really bad for the National Geographic brand.   
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on November 14, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Not directing this at you, Nelson96 - just quoting your very nice summary of this episode....

I'm pretty much assuming that everybody will have these nefarious intentions in an extreme SHTF situation. 

"Everyone"? . . . .  Many, but not everyone.  Will you?
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Post by: Rottenclam on November 14, 2013, 10:43:00 PM
I suppose "everybody" was a bit too much of a blanket term.  There are likely plenty of exceptions (the infirm, the elderly, the intellectually incapable, the very young, etc).  There may even be a few very morally righteous people that would rather die a slow painful death (and watch their loved ones also suffer the same fate) before they broke down and started stealing.

Call me a bit pessimistic, but if people run out of food (and this includes the clever point that Cedar brought up regarding all sorts of wildlife being hunted to near-extinction too), I assume that people will then become thieves.  Trust me, I would like to be proven wrong...and honestly, I hope to never even have my theory tested.

As for me, I'm not planning on stealing.  I've got food stored (and water, and batteries, etc), but I've never starved before so I should probably 'never say never'.  For all I know, I'd probably be out stealing if I ran out of food and I began to starve.  I'd like to think that I wouldnt, but you know what they say - desperate times breed rotten clams, and all that.
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Post by: nelson96 on November 14, 2013, 10:53:46 PM
I suppose "everybody" was a bit too much of a blanket term.  There are likely plenty of exceptions (the infirm, the elderly, the intellectually incapable, the very young, etc).  There may even be a few very morally righteous people that would rather die a slow painful death (and watch their loved ones also suffer the same fate) before they broke down and started stealing.

Call me a bit pessimistic, but if people run out of food (and this includes the clever point that Cedar brought up regarding all sorts of wildlife being hunted to near-extinction), I assume that people will then become thieves.  Trust me, I would like to be proven wrong...and honestly, I hope to never even have my theory tested.

As for me, I'm not planning on stealing.  I've got food stored (and water, and batteries, etc), but I've never starved before so I should probably 'never say never'.  For all I know, I'd probably be out stealing if I ran out of food and I began to starve.  I'd like to think that I wouldnt, but you know what they say - desperate time breed rotten clams, and all that.

I would suggest that you look toward stocking up your prep's, which should include growing plants and animals.  I can support my family just fine, as could many others I know, who've been doing it for generations.  My two biggest worries are illness and thieves, hunger isn't even in the top 10.  For those that feel we may have a catastrophic breakdown, storing food is useless (because it will eventually run out).  A true ant doesn't make plans for sustainability, he lives it, right now.
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Post by: Rottenclam on November 14, 2013, 11:05:35 PM
Well, I guess I'm not a true ant.

I live in an urban area and we have a garden (that varies in size depending on where we rent).  We belong to a CSA.  I try to store food and be prepared, but I'm not really too excited at the prospect of being responsible for livestock. 

I appreciate your suggestion(s) and believe that they are well intentioned, but what you're describing is not exactly what I want in life (at least right now). 

 

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Post by: nelson96 on November 14, 2013, 11:12:18 PM
I appreciate your suggestion(s) and believe that they are well intentioned, but what you're describing is not exactly what I want in life (at least right now).

I understand, to each his own, but making the plans I suggested are a whole lot better than the thought that you may have to steal eventually.  Hopefully you understand a little more than you did before that there are people out there with plans and the ability to live without stealing.  Stealing food from others in a situation as you suggested is doing more than stealing, you are dooming them to starvation simply because you had the power over them to take away what they had.  Efforts toward changing what you "want in life" could mean saving your own life and your future victim.
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Post by: Rottenclam on November 14, 2013, 11:26:10 PM
I think there are plenty of people with plans and the ability to live without stealing.  Including myself.

If you've got a great piece of land with a working food forest and animals and all that, there are still plenty of things that can still go wrong that *may* just lead you to stealing (pestilence, different types of disease that can impact livestock, etc).  All I'm saying is that *everybody* has the potential to starve, and thus it is fair to say that *just about everybody* has the potential to steal.

Look, I know I'm new here on this forum and you've been around for awhile, but it feels like you're talking down to me.  Maybe I'm wrong on this, but saying things like, A true ant doesn't make plans for sustainability, he lives it, right now and Hopefully you understand a little more than you did before that there are people out there with plans and the ability to live without stealing , makes it sound like you're about to pat me on the head or something.

I dont mean to cross you or anything like that, but you dont really know me.  All I did was share some of my speculative thoughts on what I believe is the potential of human nature.
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Post by: nelson96 on November 15, 2013, 07:43:27 AM
You'll have to trust me when I say that my previous responses to you had no malicious intent, but you're going to have to grow some tougher skin if you are going to get your feelings hurt after receiving responses from posts like these. . .

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I'm pretty much assuming that everybody will have these nefarious intentions in an extreme SHTF situation.

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I've never starved before so I should probably 'never say never'.  For all I know, I'd probably be out stealing if I ran out of food and I began to starve.  I'd like to think that I wouldnt, but you know what they say - desperate times breed rotten clams, and all that.

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I try to store food and be prepared, but I'm not really too excited at the prospect of being responsible for livestock. . .  I appreciate your suggestion(s) and believe that they are well intentioned, but what you're describing is not exactly what I want in life (at least right now).



My responses were genuine in suggesting that 1.) stealing is not the answer 2.) stealing essentially is murdering your victim.  In fact, I beleive it was you that was malicious in trying to troll for a response you could get in an argument with.
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Post by: Rottenclam on November 15, 2013, 08:38:48 AM
These things:

1.) stealing is not the answer
2.) stealing essentially is murdering your victim


...I agree with!  Again, all I was saying was that IMHO, everybody has a breaking point!

But its stuff like "you're going to have to grow some tougher skin" that is starting to irritate me.  Maybe it is just the lack of the tone on the internet or something, but these little responses you've been sending seems like you're always up on a high-horse or something.  I was not trolling, but rather expressing the thin line in which men break and do bad things.

Maybe I seem like some young whipper-snapper that is not interested in the one form of true survivalism that you're into, and maybe you're hoping that, "someday, he might just get it if I explain it to him".    I think we'll just have to keep our distance from each other.  Peace.
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Post by: pokeshell on November 15, 2013, 08:42:44 AM
Granted... I was speaking of the ones who have never held a rifle in their hands. But, even if it was me, I bet I would come home more empty handed that I would like.

Cedar

I think most with any hunting skill would suprised how much they could get. I at least at first, as hunting regulations would be out the window. I see so much more food during off season, at least here in MN.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 15, 2013, 09:16:14 AM
Well, like Philippines right now.

-11.8 MILLION AFFECTED
-243,600 HOUSES DESTROYED
-2,360 PEOPLE DEAD
-921,200 PEOPLE HOMELESS

There are people taking from ruined stores and homes what food they can find. They did take something like 110,000 sacks of rice. I do not begrudge them that rice if it was mine, if they hadn't taken it, all that rice would have rotten within a day or so, as it was all wet. The 'looters' were actually helping each other to survive. People who likely had not met each other. They were not true looters, they were taking what food and water they could find. They are people looking for food when there was none coming in for 5 days and everything they had was flattened or washed out to sea. Even I would have been likely in on that rice 'handout', if I had been there. With 500,000+ people looting and/or desparate for food in the Philippines, there has been NO REPORTS of people killing each other for food.

Would I ever fall in with the likes of Tyler Smith and PREPLANNED.. PREPLANNING possibly years before a SHTF even arose to go out and MURDER people? That guy is a sack of ****. And so are his followers and I would tell them that to their faces.. but if they ever stepped foot on my property, from what I saw, I may as well shoot them or run a pitchfork through them, as they have made their intent known nationally and as far as that show reaches over the world that they intend to kill and rob someone for their possessions.

There are plenty of other ways to find food and water for your family if you learn, and I would not become Tyler Smith. Again in the Philippines right now, people are eating cats, dogs and rats right now and this is half a country, not just a mere town of 4,000 like Smith lives in Buckley, Washington. I figure there are thousands of dead pigs in the Philippines right after the main storm and you could have probably ate on them for a day or two before they go bad from the heat. Some people were resourceful in finding questionable water in a pipe. I would be looking for some of those coconuts which likely are all over the ground as you can drink the 'water' out of them. There were tarps and yesterday, me and my former CEO were discussing what people could be doing to be more resourceful. Like I saw alot of bodies wrapped in tarps. I know if I was dead I would not mind being uncovered if it meant the tarp they were going to wrap me in was used to catch that 4" of rain from the next storm to give people drinking water.

I have other options likely as I have trained in Summer and Winter Survival since 1990 to 2005. With a high emphasis in wild foods. This is part of the reason I would want to stay in this area of the PNW, as I would have to start all over again in other areas.

I have been hungry before. In my first marriage I was down to 119 pounds, then 111 pounds, then 98 pounds, my body quit doing things it would normally have done and my hair was falling out. At the time I did not realize it consciencely. Someone mentioned to me after I was out of the situation that I was starving and malnutritioned and then it dawned on me. Yes, I was hungry all the time for years. It never even occurred to me to steal, other than broken trees and limbs along the roadway to burn in the woodstove. I mostly survived for 3 years on peanut butter and whole milk.

You do not have to have livestock to be sustainable, but in some ways it would be easier and in some ways it would be more difficult.

I was telling someone the other day about how I popped into some Y2K forums before 2000 and all these people in there had the dried foods, the grain grinders, this gizmo and that gizmo.. and the thing I noted about all of them, is they did not have a clue how to use the tools or foods. When I asked, the answer was, "Oh, we will learn to use "X" after Y2K happens". My opinion is, there were going to be people hungry while on a steep learning curve. You need to learn skills before you need them. Today might be a good place to start.

So the best thing one can do is to have the REAL knowledge. Not the half-cooked knowledge like Tyler Smith is spouting off. Your knowledge cannot be taken away from you unless you die or have a serious head injury. Share that knowledge with your family members and friends. Especially things like First Aid. How do you not know your 4 year old is going to have to go get the FAK when you are hurt. I know people who 'guard' their information in order to look like a leader. That is just dumb, share the information.

Store supplies. If you have a weeks worth, good on you. Most people do not even attempt that amount. If you have a month's worth, even better. Look at the people in Syria going hungry. Food has not come in for a very long time and what is being shipped in is being stolen by one army or another.

Like the pipeline explosion in Milford, Texas yesterday and the entire town being evacuated immediately. Bet you are glad of the BOB and shoes next to the front door.. and bet you wish you had taken the time to make a BOB if you hadn't.

I have owned many farms and yes.. even if you have alot of land, things can and probably will go wrong at some point. Like my goat die-off this year. But we have enough space, we have the ability to be diversified here. So if the goats were our only source of meat/milk, we would be hooped, but we have backups, like the sheep, camelids, rabbits, ducks, turkeys, chickens. But we could have major forest fires here and we could lose everything but the soil we have. But I still have the ability to make lemonaide from the lemons I am dealt without becoming "Tyler Smith" as I have years of knowledge, practice and learning to improvise..

If SHTF I may have to kill someone/s to protect me or mine, but I KNOW I will never stoop to the level of actively seeking people out to kill for their belongings like Smith says he will.

Cedar

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on November 15, 2013, 02:34:14 PM
You are so right Cedar.  There may be some people that don't realize the options that so many have in terms of preparations of their own.  Peparations that broadly separate them from having options and not having options.  I think some also forget that by taking from others one of two things will happen, somebody dies in the process of taking or somebody dies by going without which was taken.  Some (not all) will do crazy things when they are put in to a survival situation, the point is to make plans so that doing things out of character does not become a necessary evil.

On this subject, neither of us has brought up the importance of forming a community with others.  One person may like to raise animals, others may like gardening, building, security, etc..  We have a choice to go it alone or in a community.  If things get really bad, community is the way to go IMO.  You mentioned diversity, that applies to livestock, vegetation, dry goods, community, etc..
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Post by: NWPilgrim on November 15, 2013, 10:25:13 PM
I actually think the majority response in an extreme survival situation is to be dazed and eventually curl up and wait to die.  Most people will not realize how dire the situation is until after they have lost most of their physical and mental ability to do anything about it.  If you are going to provide for yourself, or as the Dimwit Lowlife suggested to steal from others, you have to do that while you still have the strength and clarity of mind to do so.

1.  Most people will not recognize severity of survival situation until too late.
2. Small percentage will have preps, skills and tools and mindset to act for their own survival using moral means
3. Small percentage of people are either already criminals or immoral and will immediately think to try to take from others
4. very tiny percentage will start off moral and later decide to rob from others.

Cedar brought up a good point and perhaps Rottenclam was getting at this too, that "stealing" may not be stealing under dire circumstance.  If the homeowner or storeowner is dead then is OK to take basic items such as food and water or a shovel?  Or borrow it and if the homeowner manages to return then give it back and thank them for helping you survive?  I know I would not mind if I was out of state when disaster strikes and neighbors borrowed a few things to survive and then told me about it and returned what they could.  I would be ticked off they cleaned my out of non-essentials, or even essentials that I would then need.

For myself, I can't imagine robbing anyone else for their goods as it would be tantamount to risking their lives as well.  I think that is why stealing, especially livestock and horses was punished so severely in the past.  When you are scraping by, having anything important stolen could mean the death of your family.  On one hand stealing could be more loosely defined based on whether the owner is dead, and on the other hand much more severely dealt with if it was from a living owner.  It would be good to keep in mind that any home or store owner might well see their goods as the last line of defense for his own survival and any threat to that would be dealt with harshly and no discussion.  I think Tyler Smith underestimates this factor. If these are the last 50 gallons of clean water I can reasonably have in the next two weeks, then I will defend it strenuously.
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Post by: Cedar on November 16, 2013, 10:23:25 AM
You mentioned diversity, that applies to livestock, vegetation, dry goods, community, etc..
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Yep.

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on November 16, 2013, 10:39:35 AM
You mentioned diversity, that applies to livestock, vegetation, dry goods, community, etc..

The whole one is none and two is one thing. . .  Sickness, spoilage, no one person has the time or expertise to do to it all him/her self, not to mention that having little to no variation in what you eat gets old quick and can cause health issues of its own.  Of course the discipline and practice must start now (not after a catastrophe) or Pilgrim's points become even more realistic.

.
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Post by: OutWestTX on November 17, 2013, 03:22:40 PM
Instead of the Marauders, they ought to call it, "The Thugs".  That guy is a joke.  He claims to have 80 people in his group.  That will make it easier to eliminate them at the start.  He is just a wannabe thug who thinks he'll be all big and bad after the SHTF.  More than likely, he won't make it the first week.  He will be killed by the first real prepper he comes up against. 

I think they just had him on the show for sensationalism.
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Post by: The Professor on November 17, 2013, 03:25:28 PM
I think they just had him on the show for sensationalism.

This, in a nutshell, defines Doomsday Preppers.

The Professor
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Post by: ADK Dave on November 17, 2013, 07:31:47 PM
Thugs like those dweebs are what many are prepping for....
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Post by: rikkrack on November 17, 2013, 07:54:07 PM
My wife came up with a new term for the people on the show. "Doomsday Dumbass". It is thier fault for the way the producers portray them for thier 15 minutes of fame. They knowing agree to be on the show and then the world mocks us for being prepared, and now fear us as a result if the last show. My neighbors asked if I would steal and attack other people after watching the show. The producers have once made us appear as "odd" to getting people to fear us.

Tin foil hat here, but was that the purpose of the show? Mock us, then when preparing got popular, turn it into fear of preppers.

I now completely dispise the show and it's producers.
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Post by: Cedar on November 17, 2013, 07:58:34 PM
Tin foil hat here, but was that the purpose of the show? Mock us, then when preparing got popular, turn it into fear of preppers.


“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.”
~ Mahatma Gandhi
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 17, 2013, 09:56:33 PM
I, too, find it more than a bit odd the direction DP has taken.  Originally, I thought it was so the producers would make money after the series aired through their "consulting" firm.  They were the ones in the first episode who had the sorta-rural retreat.

There were even people on this forum who interacted with them in that capacity.

Now. . .it looks as if they'll do anything and show anything as long as they get their money.  I can't, for the life of me, understand how they could put this particular episode forward and NOT know that it will have a negative effect upon all preppers.  Like rikkrack, I'm tempted to don my tinfoil stetson.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on November 18, 2013, 03:29:27 AM
Tin foil hat here, but was that the purpose of the show? Mock us, then when preparing got popular, turn it into fear of preppers.



WARNING: PROFANITY-LADEN RANT AHEAD

The purpose was to do a one-off TV special which by (un)happy accident turned into one of their most popular and successful shows. The producers heard 3 or 4 years ago about this little-understood and rarely-seen sub-group of people called "preppers" and assumed there might be 2,000 or 3,000 such people in the whole of the USA. And so, due to such a small pool of people to draw from for potential interview subjects they thought they'd be able to get just one documentary special out of it and no more.  They thought they were targeting a totally odd-ball sub-culture in this nation that no "normal" people had ever heard of before and which was likely a rare type of person who would prove difficult to find. They had no idea at the outset of the shooting of their very first documentary that American preppers actually number in the millions. When the success of that first show came back to them in the form of very high ratings as well as major internet buzz, and when the truth was learned as to just how many active preppers currently exist in America, they went ahead and spun it into a full-blown weekly TV show.

The problem is that the asshole piece of shit producer named ALAN MADISON --that's right, Alan, I am talking to YOU, you worthless piece of crap!-- crafted the tone of the first show with a creepy freak show feel to it in the same vein as Hoarders: Buried Alive.  The tone of that first DP show was one in which they wanted to present the interview subjects as unhinged specimens of a very elaborate, deeply entrenched, yet fully-hidden-from-society form of mental illness. So when Alan Madison got the green light for a weekly TV show, that asshole idiot moron piece of shit fuck-wad decided that "if it ain't broke, don't fit it," and so he kept the exact same fucking goddamned tone of making us look like freaks in a circus freak show. He's a one-trick pony, a one-note producer, he's got only one card to play of being a cheap circus freak show huckster, and he refuses to change the ongoing tone of the show into something that would make us actually like him and actually want to be on the show. No Alan, we do NOT appreciate it, you sick fuck.  We REALLY don't appreciate it. You are NOT our hero. And this show is NOT our pride and joy, it is the bane of our existence and we can't wait for it to get canceled.

It doesn't matter how many NORMAL and perfectly well-balanced preppers come to him to be on the show. He and his video editors work very diligently in the editing suite each day with the overriding goal of making all show guests look at the very least odd if not fully unstable. It's the guiding tone of the show and he will not deviate from it. And way too many past guests have blogged about how all the stuff that would make them look normal was edited out, and then the rare twelve seconds here or there that involved something a little strange got overblown and grossly misrepresented. Other past guests have blogged about how they were instructed to say certain things on camera, even if they disagreed with it. It's all how it's done in the editing suite: they are crafting a tone, and tone is everything! This is "reality" TV at work.

If anyone reading this rant of mine is a) a prepper, and b) a normal well-balanced person, and c) considering being on this show, my advice is DON'T! They will do a hatchet job on you. There are even internet reports from well-balanced preppers who claim they were turned down by the show's producers during the pre-screening interviews because they were too normal!

The inescapable problem with "freak show television" such as this (and Hoarders: Buried Alive) is that you have to keep upping the ante every week. You have to keep getting more and more outrageous all the time. You can't remain static and need to keep progressing deeper and deeper into more elaborate forms of lunacy. And that is exactly where this show is heading and so --like a deadly plague ripping its way through hospitals and emergency rooms, killing tens of thousands of people as it expands outward in its field of contagion. Such a virus eventually burns itself out when it can find no more vulnerable subjects to inflict itself upon. And so we can only HOPE that this show will likewise burn itself out ASAP.

And in the meantime, Alan Madison is right now trying to promote that silly little girl with the high heels and the $70 manicure named Brooklyn Bagwell (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=28325.msg518504#msg518504) as some kind of a fresh-faced, all-American, 20-something, Erin Brockovich Lite who possesses some supposedly winsome ability to relate to preppers and win them over. No. Sorry, little girl. We don't consider you "one of the family" when it's obvious that you are laughing at us right along with Alan Madison. I don't suppose it would occur to Alan Madison that maybe having a REAL prepper or two on his production staff might be a step in the right direction of helping us to stop hating him and his work so much.  But no --that would just be way too icky for poor Brooklyn to have a freak on staff sitting right beside her at a roundtable production meeting.

/end of rant]
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 18, 2013, 08:28:48 AM
in re Brooklyn Bagwell:

I do remember seeing her at the Denver Show, now.  In the 2nd video you have re-linked above, she started a fire with flint and steel. 

She absolutely was a twit.

Oh, and apparently. . .we have her to thank for Tyler Smith. . .not that this surprises me.  In the same video she says something along the  lines of ". . .I got some preppers we wouldn't normally have been able to get. . ." and just then, Tyler Smith is shown donning is Apocalypse Armor.

<sigh>

<tinfoil hat mode on> 

There are a lot of reports and actual documented proof of laws that allow municipalities and states to "legally" seize supplies in times of disaster.  Here in Colorado, the governor signed laws into effect that allows the state to seize grocery, gun and liquor stores during an emergency (originally under the guise of the big bird flu epidemic).

These recent shows seem to be trending towards making pariahs out of preppers.  Perhaps it's a way of making everyone paranoid?  Sort of a survival-oriented McCarthyism?

Will we see hastily (or perhaps not so hastily) printed signs posted by FEMA and DHS with the words "Are your neighbors HOARDING?" along with a telephone number?  Perhaps even PSA's broadcast on local TV and Radios

"Do you know someone who called themselves a "prepper?"  Preppers are people who selfishly store food and supplies that could help their needy neighbors.  While you and your neighbors. . .and their children. . .go to bed hungry at night, these hoarding survivalists are enjoying a veritable feast!  Hoarding is illegal. . .and immoral.  If you know a prepper or a survivalist, call this toll-free hotline.  You can remain anonymous and substantial rewards will be provided for anyone who turns in a prepper!

Be part of the solution. . .report a hoarder!"

<tinfoil hat mode off>

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: rikkrack on November 18, 2013, 08:37:31 AM
Ok, Professor, that just scared the crap out of me. I can totally see something like that happening. Paranoid, or TFH on, that just screams of today's politics.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 18, 2013, 10:09:51 AM
And why no one outside the TSP community knows what I do.. other than the NSA who follows TSP of course.  :o

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: OutWestTX on November 18, 2013, 11:25:06 AM
Will we see hastily (or perhaps not so hastily) printed signs posted by FEMA and DHS with the words "Are your neighbors HOARDING?" along with a telephone number?  Perhaps even PSA's broadcast on local TV and Radios

"Do you know someone who called themselves a "prepper?"  Preppers are people who selfishly store food and supplies that could help their needy neighbors.  While you and your neighbors. . .and their children. . .go to bed hungry at night, these hoarding survivalists are enjoying a veritable feast!  Hoarding is illegal. . .and immoral.  If you know a prepper or a survivalist, call this toll-free hotline.  You can remain anonymous and substantial rewards will be provided for anyone who turns in a prepper!

Be part of the solution. . .report a hoarder!"

During WWII hoarding was illegal in England and all food was confiscated.  In Argentina it is currently illegal to hoard wheat.  It was illegal to hoard food during WW1 here and I used to have a link to a story about convictions for hoarding in the US, but I can't find it. 

Here is the link to an older article about hoarding leading up to rationing in WWII...
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,920433,00.html

I can easily see how "prepping" would become hoarding and our stuff taken.  That is why we also need skills.  They can't take those.  Oh, and, it doesn't hurt to have a cache here or there either.  ;)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Rottenclam on November 18, 2013, 12:58:24 PM
Speaking of "hoarding" and "confiscation", I was watching a video that had Richard Daugherty in it (aka - The Mogambo Guru) and he talked about how when you 'save money', you're considered a "saver".  But if you save gold, you're considered a "hoarder".  Sad, really.

Back to Doomsday Preppers for a sec.  I'm glad Oil Lady has called-out that producer by name.  Jack had alluded to him a number of times, but I did not know his name, so now I'll keep my IMDB eyes peeled.  As for brooklyn bagwell, she is just pathetic.  Typical bad tv on those little short side videos on their website where she fires an AR-15 (in .22 no less) and nearly throws the thing to ground as her follow-through.  Bordering on dangerous.  Not good, brooklyn.


Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 18, 2013, 01:06:09 PM
I ranted about Madison awhile back ago, but OL said it so much better.. and did my swearing for me that I don't say in public.  ::)

Cedar - heading out for fencing phase 2  :-\
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: rikkrack on November 18, 2013, 01:11:23 PM
So I did some digging "brooklyn bagwell" has no real experience other than behind the Doomsday shows, and brief punkin chunkin. Her names reminds me of a bond girl or from Austin Powers movie.

ALAN MADISON was listed as a writer for doomsday preppers. why does a reality TV show need a writer?
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: MexicanJoe on November 18, 2013, 06:15:46 PM
There is a lot of slanting and making them look like idiots. I say watch it 2-3 times per episode to see what you can get out of it.
Take the best and leave the rest.

I have seen people who have locations that beat anything I have seen on most of these episodes.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 18, 2013, 06:24:04 PM
I say watch it 2-3 times per episode to see what you can get out of it.

Are you saying to torture ourselves and watch each episode 2-3x? *blink*

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: MexicanJoe on November 18, 2013, 06:37:25 PM
Are you saying to torture ourselves and watch each episode 2-3x? *blink*

Cedar

I just watch the reruns when I am in my chair with the laptop.
The big girl with the large pantry who can speak Togala and had a prepper lunch really had some great ideas. Initially they made her look stupid.
Then the heavy guy with the Kevlar that road the 4 wheeler has some great vids after then. I use his hand warmer method for doing my buckets.
I will paste a link to show you. Take the best and leave the rest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU3sYUOdh8eS83IYh0TUDNLA&v=-qbX3QOwVck&feature=player_detailpage

Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on November 18, 2013, 06:52:25 PM
I will try it, but I may have to con myself into it. That show for me is PAINFUL to watch .. AND I have to go out of my way to find them on the PC. To me they are much akin to Bear Gryllis, if they don't get themselves killed, they are going to impress someone, somewhere, into trying some of these stupid stunts and then those people are going to get killed. I get a fair bit annoyed over idiotcy like that.

Cedar - who must be in a grumpy mood today
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 18, 2013, 08:34:54 PM
I just watch the reruns when I am in my chair with the laptop.
The big girl with the large pantry who can speak Togala and had a prepper lunch really had some great ideas. Initially they made her look stupid.
Then the heavy guy with the Kevlar that road the 4 wheeler has some great vids after then. I use his hand warmer method for doing my buckets.
I will paste a link to show you. Take the best and leave the rest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU3sYUOdh8eS83IYh0TUDNLA&v=-qbX3QOwVck&feature=player_detailpage



IIRC, the guy on the 4-wheeler ended up being declared psychologically. . .unstable. . .and lost his ability to own firearms.

The Professor
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Post by: Oil Lady on November 19, 2013, 05:49:25 AM
IIRC, the guy on the 4-wheeler ended up being declared psychologically. . .unstable. . .and lost his ability to own firearms.

The Professor


You recall correctly.  (http://www.dailypaul.com/213324/r3vol-featured-in-natgeodoomsday-preppers-has-his-guns-confiscated-by-tn) 


Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Oil Lady on November 19, 2013, 05:53:42 AM
I just watch the reruns when I am in my chair with the laptop.
The big girl with the large pantry who can speak Togala and had a prepper lunch really had some great ideas. Initially they made her look stupid.
Then the heavy guy with the Kevlar that road the 4 wheeler has some great vids after then. I use his hand warmer method for doing my buckets.
I will paste a link to show you. Take the best and leave the rest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU3sYUOdh8eS83IYh0TUDNLA&v=-qbX3QOwVck&feature=player_detailpage
 


I don't give a rat's ass about the few meager crumbs of slightly cool stuff I might sometimes see on the occasional episode. The amount of harm DP is doing to the whole prepper movement can't be ignored or dismissed as non-consequential, since there ARE many fully demonstrable consequences happening as a result of that show.

You can do what you want. You can watch what you want. But I will continue to speak out against that despicable show for what it is. 

And the best I can hope for is that someone somewhere comes up with a BETTER show to out-voice the slanted hatchet job of DP.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: MexicanJoe on November 19, 2013, 06:10:34 AM
IIRC, the guy on the 4-wheeler ended up being declared psychologically. . .unstable. . .and lost his ability to own firearms.

The Professor

Ya I saw that. But he is fighting it.
Just because the government says something doesn't mean its true.

Remember if you like your plan you can keep your plan.
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.
Read my lips no new taxes.

Veterans are all domestic terrorists too because they have all been trained in paramilitary activities and are a threat to the country.

So take the government with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: The Professor on November 19, 2013, 08:15:52 AM
Ya I saw that. But he is fighting it.
Just because the government says something doesn't mean its true.

Remember if you like your plan you can keep your plan.
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.
Read my lips no new taxes.

Veterans are all domestic terrorists too because they have all been trained in paramilitary activities and are a threat to the country.

So take the government with a grain of salt.

Well, keep in mind that there are often more than one side to a story.  It's not like Infowars, Daily Paul, and other alternative "news sources" don't have agendas of their own to which they twist stories.

Watch the original video, listen to his own words, watch his own actions (yes, I realize they were twisted around by the producers of DP, but. . .he said them and he WANTED to be on the show, in fact. . .he APPLIED and promoted himself enough that the producers saw and selected him, no one twisted his arm to be on the show. . .he wanted his 15 minutes of fame and wanted to show off to the world his XXXXL combat gear and pit-chihuahua).

Just as you shouldn't automatically accept anything from the gubmint as Gospel, neither should you presume the words of the anti-gubmint sensationalists are any better.

The Professor
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: nelson96 on November 19, 2013, 08:21:12 AM
neither should you presume the words of the anti-gubmint sensationalists are any better.

Could be worse, you could have one for a neighbor.
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: MexicanJoe on November 19, 2013, 05:38:50 PM
I agree there are 2 sides Professor.
I watch stuff with a grain or a pound of salt.
Something I think the show has done is bring supplies into more of our local stores. I may just now be noticing them but my local hardware stores and Wal-Mart's have larger inventories of stuff in bulk as well as solar panels and such,
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Tackleberry on January 16, 2014, 01:19:54 PM
Update on Tyler Smith "apex predator"

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/doomsday-prepper-and-convicted-felon-tyler-smith-jailed-for-illegal-firearms_012014

Doomsday Prepper (and Convicted Felon) Tyler Smith Jailed for Illegal Firearms
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Post by: Oil Lady on January 16, 2014, 01:55:00 PM
Doomsday Prepper (and Convicted Felon)

Just rolls off the tongue, don't it?  ::)
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on January 16, 2014, 02:34:05 PM
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. I just knew that guy was a piece of poo (see my previous posts about him). Hope he stays in longer than a week. And I hope his pregnant wife gets rid of him (but I doubt it).

Cedar
Title: Re: Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo TV [merged topics]
Post by: Cedar on January 16, 2014, 02:35:56 PM
The amount of harm DP is doing to the whole prepper movement can't be ignored or dismissed as non-consequential, since there ARE many fully demonstrable consequences happening as a result of that show.

But I will continue to speak out against that despicable show for what it is. 

Yeppers. I have boycotted that show for a long while now.

Cedar - who has boycotted BurgerKing since 1985.

EDIT: Just found this.. "Doomsday Preppers" is a reality show that features people often described as survivalists stockpiling food and firearms, getting ready for the fall of society and a lawless future in which individuals must fight to stay alive.

Pierce county investigators say it was those claims, and Smith's brazen use of firearms on camera that landed him back in jail. "What led us to this guy was himself. He put himself on TV and in newspaper articles and he did things that scared the neighbor," said Troyer.

Smith is a level one sex offender following his conviction in King county in 2009, but he has not registered with law enforcement since his move to Pierce county. Troyer said he could face an additional charge of failing to register as a sex offender.
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Post by: The Professor on January 16, 2014, 05:40:32 PM
Mr. Apex Predator. . .meet "Sweet Meat," your hairy-backed, Alpha Male cellmate.

The Professor
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Post by: rikkrack on January 16, 2014, 06:00:04 PM
 :rofl:
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Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on January 17, 2014, 07:45:08 AM
Mr. Apex Predator. . .meet "Sweet Meat," your hairy-backed, Alpha Male cellmate.

The Professor

 :rofl:

Karmas a bitch, or in this case just deserts.

Maybe he can make some homemade booty armor while in there...
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Post by: livinitup0 on January 17, 2014, 09:56:45 AM
lol, justice served with Mr. Marauder...

I despise this show and what it's done to the preparedness community.

I do wish there were good preparedness shows out there...Ive always thought about trying to put together a preparedness/homesteading roku channel...just dont know if it would be worth the investment or if enough preppers do the roku thing enough to make it worth it.
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Post by: hackmeister on January 17, 2014, 11:39:23 AM
I remember thinking to myself when watching his episode: "Is this guy retarded?".
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Post by: OutWestTX on January 17, 2014, 11:43:06 AM
I remember thinking to myself when watching his episode: "Is this guy retarded?".

I'm sure DP is doing some creative editing to enhance the stupidity of the people featured. 
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Post by: hackmeister on January 17, 2014, 12:08:55 PM
I'm sure DP is doing some creative editing to enhance the stupidity of the people featured.

I agree that they go out of their way to make normal people with good ideas appear looney but that was probably not the case with this jackass. Where do we start? The practice c-section in the barn, the homemade body armor, announcing he plans to rob everyone?
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Post by: christphrmurray on August 25, 2014, 07:01:00 PM
Just started watching new season of this love the episode called ( you said it was nonlethal) had food forest top the charts almost. And got to thinking of all the little gizmos it has shown. Like a portrait with a weapon in it by the door.
Post if you can remember any trick or gizmo that had you go that's not a bad idea.
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Post by: GotCox on September 08, 2014, 04:42:33 PM
I know i am way behind on this show, but i do not have cable tv and mostly watch youtube and netflix. Well this show just got put on netflix. At first i was excited to check it out thinking it would be cool and full of all kinds of idea's. Only to find out the show is more about making fun of preppers and finding the biggest wack jobs out there. This show is a real piece of work.  I am losing my faith that any tv channel other than discovery can produce a quality show. I have watched the first two seasons so far and can't believe some of the idiots they found who are willing to go on tv and act like idiots.
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Post by: nkawtg on September 08, 2014, 05:03:36 PM
You are where we were when they first started the series.
It really ticks me off how these "Reality" shows only motive is to belittle good hard working people by showing every nutjob they can find.
And there have been some real doozies on that show.
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Post by: christphrmurray on September 11, 2014, 11:49:15 AM
We watch and rate the people and what they do. Some ideas are good. Like the guys that own the western park using there food stand to hide orders.10 cans for the store 2 for us.
But there location is blown big time.  But once in a while they show something good.