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Title: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on January 18, 2012, 05:36:13 PM
Wow a new garden year already.

12 weeks until last frost.

Seed starting has started

Thornless Blackberry trellis (the plants are in there hiding in the temporary patch of greens, yet to be tied up)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/ab49ce21.jpg)

Cold morning on kale

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/38529b78.jpg)

Bok choy all winter

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/8937c23d.jpg)

More winter harvest (cabbage, fat brussel sprouts, radicchio)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/874a78be.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: ttubravesrock on January 18, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
I haven't seen ground for months where I live! Or leaves outside.  My indoor plants are happy, but not producing until summer.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on January 18, 2012, 06:46:26 PM
I'm lucky, here in N GA it has been a fairly mild winter. @20 or below a couple times, no weather "events". 
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on January 18, 2012, 06:49:26 PM
Oh you had to say that didn't you? Hang on to your hats. Momma Nature tends to like to introduce her events to newbies.  ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: ttubravesrock on January 18, 2012, 06:52:25 PM
I thought that looked like GA.  I used to live in Rome, Augusta, Savannah, Tybee, and Marietta (so basically all over GA), and your ground, trees, fence, and sky looked familiar.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on January 18, 2012, 08:05:24 PM
Looks good.  I won't be starting any seeds for a couple more weeks.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on January 18, 2012, 09:46:05 PM
i have a speedling 128 unit with lettuce staying mostly in the hoop-house - should be able to transplant about half in another few days.
mrs cohutt has decided that she likes cabbage so there will be a spring cabbage attempt this year (seeding this weekend)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: bartsdad on January 19, 2012, 12:37:03 AM
Good luck on 2012.

Any thought on doing a running weight total on production?

I've got 20 weeks until avg last frost in MN. We get about a 3 week growing season. :o ::)

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on January 19, 2012, 04:40:36 AM
Oh heck no, that would require planning, discipline and organization.  ;)

I was going to do that last year but quickly got behind and stopped.  Without a dedicated processing / weighing area I could leave set up all year it isn't going to happen.   

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: LvsChant on January 19, 2012, 06:39:31 AM
Looking good, Cohutt... I look forward to seeing this year's progress.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on January 28, 2012, 08:42:15 PM
Bat house rough cuts were made today; 99% of the sawing is done.  Below, the parts stacked together for two large 4 chamber nursery bat houses that will be mounted back to back on a 16+'+ pole on the back. .

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/bd3aefad.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/a5d36721.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on January 29, 2012, 05:02:54 PM
I would never have bats in that. I would have a colony of wasps.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on January 29, 2012, 05:04:47 PM
That's awesome. cohutt!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on January 29, 2012, 06:08:49 PM
I would never have bats in that. I would have a colony of wasps.
Maybe initially.  But once the bats found the house, I bet they would take care of the wasps pretty quickly.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on January 29, 2012, 08:25:33 PM
S'sM, actually they say wasps will find them sometimes and from what I can tell the bats don't eat them.  It is is 8 or 10' off the ground I think it would be more of a problem than if I can get it 16-20 feet up.   I believe I am going to use 2" steel square tube - it coes in 24' lengths and I have an idea on how I can hinge/cantilever it to a base like some flag poles so that I can bring it down for maintenance during the winter if needed.

I got the houses assembled today except for the metal roof. I still need to caulk and stain though. Picture later- these are really big, bigger that I figured once I got them together
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on January 29, 2012, 08:58:30 PM
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/17ff3223.jpg)

progress
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on January 30, 2012, 04:22:43 PM
Cleaned up the greenhouse beds and got some more lettuce starts in the ground.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/7164e946.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/42ba647a.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on January 31, 2012, 01:54:58 PM
Yay! Another year, another Cohutt garden thread.  I can't wait to see what you do this year buddy.  Looking good already.  :popcorn:

I was thinking of building a bathouse too but didn't realize they had to hang that high. Makes sense though.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on January 31, 2012, 06:06:44 PM
Bats don't just jump and fly like birds- they have to drop then transition into flight during the fall.  The recommendation is 12ft; apparently the pups learning to fly need 8 or 10 ft maybe, vs 3-6 min for grown small brown bats.  Or so I have read in the various "bat forums". 

I"m about to attach the metal roofing that conveniently blew into my neighborhood after the Christmas tornado that blew through here.

Pics to follow


Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on January 31, 2012, 08:23:59 PM
I've lost my frikin mind, this thing is monstrous


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/2a593aea.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on February 01, 2012, 06:55:30 AM
That thing is huge!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on February 01, 2012, 06:59:10 AM
I like it! However, you better get that thing up before Mrs C sees it. It will look a lot smaller 16 feet in the air. LOL
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 01, 2012, 03:57:11 PM
Last night she definitely wasn't as excited as she was when I told her of the plan to add the bat house.

This afternoon was dreary, it rained all day and she had a craving and raided the garden and greenhouse for kale, spinach and brussel sprouts.  She was finishing off the kale chips when I walked in from work; she's adjusted to the mega-house now. 
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on February 01, 2012, 08:01:27 PM
lol I hope your neighbors like having a colony of a hundred flying rats squeeking around the street lights! But seriously....crane?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: WVMan73 on February 01, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
I think that's more of a bat-condo, or even a bat-highrise, than a bat house.  ;D

Seriously though, that's one sweet lookin bathouse cohutt!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 04, 2012, 07:41:33 PM
I figure I'll mount it and the walk up the poles then secure them to a prebuilt base.

Ha


In the meantime:

Rosemary blooming

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/8bfbfe33.jpg)

Red Russian kale looking red between elephant garlic rows:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/aaf40864.jpg)

Winterbor kale in the hoophouse:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/411aa17d.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on February 05, 2012, 03:28:21 PM
Cool.  I didn't know that rosemary would bloom.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 05, 2012, 07:45:10 PM
Actually I didn't either- it bloomed a little last year (3rd year), this winter it is wide open...


Kale seedlings in speedling tray

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/87deab4f.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 06, 2012, 08:30:41 PM
I'm noticing more worms lately- example of a healthy specimen of a nightcrawler below:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/cb2348b5.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on February 07, 2012, 06:19:01 PM
wow that guy could move a mountain! Time to go fishing!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 07, 2012, 06:21:34 PM
The bat house is stained and complete with the exception of any stenciling I may end up adding...
This is the side view back in the garden where it is resting on concrete blocks. The space between the two boxes with serve as a thermal buffer between them and offer a 9th more ventilated roosting chamber.  All the chambers have 1 1/4"passage holes drilled between them including the backs of the houses, so bats can move anywhere between the 9 chambers without exiting the open bottoms.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/aeac181b.jpg)

If you are interested in what might work in your area, I found a small "bat house forum" where I've learned a lot about bat house construction/placement and the seasonal habits of various species.  As you might imagine the activity there is much less than TSPF but in 24 hours since posting a question I've gotten several good responses. 
http://bathouseforum.org/forum/advice-for-color-and-orientation-t1252.html

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on February 07, 2012, 06:58:37 PM
Well, I don't get jealous much over other people's weather, but looking at your garden right now and looking at the two feet of snow on my deck right now, I'll admit it, I'm jealous. :D

You look like you're off to a tremendous start to your 2012 garden.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 07, 2012, 06:59:38 PM
wow that guy could move a mountain! Time to go fishing!

LOL these are nowhere to be found whenever I have decided to go wet a hook in the rivers nearby.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 07, 2012, 07:02:54 PM
Well, I don't get jealous much over other people's weather, but looking at your garden right now and looking at the two feet of snow on my deck right now, I'll admit it, I'm jealous. :D

You look like you're off to a tremendous start to your 2012 garden.

Thanks.  It has been a mild winter here (so far) so things are greening up a little. 

Please disregard my neighbors' vertical ivy farm in the backgound
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 09, 2012, 08:49:08 PM
I've been tinkering with a new seed starting set up this year, and mrs cohutt what pleased to learn her sun room will be free for use to use all spring for a change. 


It will be in the cellar or the dungeon as my kids called it. 

So far:
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/567e0251.jpg)

The mat will be on a soil thermostat and the lights on a timer.  (The trays are  just there to get the storage "roll" out of the mat).

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on February 10, 2012, 04:32:09 PM
LOL these are nowhere to be found whenever I have decided to go wet a hook in the rivers nearby.

That totally figures. I like the idea of silver. I think I will add some aluminum foil around mine.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 10, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
That totally figures. I like the idea of silver. I think I will add some aluminum foil around mine.

The sheathing is cheap- 3/4" foil backed polystyrene 4'x8' was something like $8 at lowes.   Reflects and insulates for consistent soil temps (my theory anyway...)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 12, 2012, 09:08:48 PM
Winter came back. Damn.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/7a12b623.jpg)

Another layer of protection for the young lettuce in the hoophouse; I didn't want to take the chance of loosing it (below 20 here). The lightweight row cover adds another 2-4 degrees of hardiness.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/acd897dc.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/dbc250a8.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on February 12, 2012, 09:29:13 PM
Good idea. It is snowing here. The only lettuce I have out right now is under an aquarium
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on February 13, 2012, 09:47:10 AM
bummer.  Best of luck to you and your veggies.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 13, 2012, 08:17:20 PM
I finished out the seed starting foil box thing- complete with timers for the lights and a thermostat for the heat mat floor:

Baking some seeds now:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/93401bb4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 15, 2012, 08:38:17 PM
Sunday evening: seeds go into grow box
Wednesday evening: most of the cabbage has sprouted 

That was fast.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on February 16, 2012, 08:06:29 PM
haha the seed baking is just what I thought when I saw the pic. Very cool!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 16, 2012, 08:25:40 PM
Shazam: it works!

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/51516e89.jpg)

Not bad considering I just seeded the flat 4 days ago
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on February 18, 2012, 06:55:47 PM
I was listening to Jason's latest podcast and he talked about companion planting.  It occurred to me that I needed a couple more flowers in the garden.  I also didn't have any oregano.  So I stopped on the way home to pick up some sunflowers, nasturtium, oregano and dill seed.  I also noticed that a couple of my see starting trays were looking pretty rough, so I picked up 4 more of them.

I updated my spreadsheet with the new seed purchases.  I'm still keeping up on the updates.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 18, 2012, 09:04:45 PM
With some luck it will be up this weekend 


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/88650fc4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on February 18, 2012, 10:26:26 PM
haha how high up are you going? you may have a caped crusader at your door by accident! I love it.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 19, 2012, 08:19:51 AM
haha how high up are you going? you may have a caped crusader at your door by accident! I love it.

Up between two poles that each two 10' sections of 1-1/4" galvanized pipe, so the top will be around 20'.

This assumes I manage to get the thing installed lol
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 19, 2012, 08:19:18 PM
The monstrosity bat house is mounted on its 20' poles, almost ready to lift (somehow). 

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/d5cfc0ec.jpg)

Closer shot of the bottom of the house:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/beb1207a.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 20, 2012, 08:17:07 PM
It is up, and what a chore it was

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/e8e700b1.jpg)

The wood behind it will come down- it was the boom I constructed to help lift the house up
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 24, 2012, 11:41:03 AM
I took down all the wooden boom structure I used to lever the bathouse up with.   The night before last we had a freak storm that touched a tornado down 2 miles east of me; NWS said the storm gusts were 60 in my area.

It survived its first test and remains standing without damage.   

The picture below gives a better perspective on just how tall this is- 22'+ at the top of the roof:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/b7aaa0e2.jpg)



As far as true gardening goes, the mild winter has made the greenhouse winter growing project seem easy.  Lettuce starts I transplanted 2-3 weeks back have taken off.  Also, spinach (down the middle) that I had written off after it was smothered  by broccoli all through the fall has come back strong.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/55c2f76d.jpg)



Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 26, 2012, 08:26:37 PM
The garlic, leeks, onions, & shallots are dominating the otherwise dormant middle beds here in the last few weeks of winter.  I looked around yesterday and they suddenly looked huge compared to the last time I noticed them. Sneaky growers these winter crops...

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/54e2d8c8.jpg)

I posted a long, multi-picture update on the blog if anyone is interested is an overkill report lol http://cohutt.com/2012/02/26/alliumtown/
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: CookingtoSurvive on February 27, 2012, 07:39:41 PM
I cant wait to see what else goes into the amazing garden this year. I look forward to seeing what is possible in smaller space. It also makes me want to quit relocating every year and a half so ican buy some property and start my own homestead. Keep it up you are a great inspiration.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Entity on February 27, 2012, 10:29:15 PM
well they don't seem like they need to be singing any songs about growin' there in allumtown .....


sorry couldn't resist, with a post title like that

looks better than I ever manage, I tend to get lots of leaf, but no bulbing
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 28, 2012, 04:29:00 AM
cookingtosurvive - thanks.  I didn't start on this until I had already been in this house for 22 years and sometimes wonder what it would be if I didn't wait so long to break ground.

Entity, lol I didn't think of that but maybe subconsciously that's why I changed the title from Alliumville- t had a better ring to it.
As far as bulbing, I've had decent results by adding bonemeal to the beds before planting (and always lots of composted leaves/manure) and then keeping good moisture in the soil. The bigger you can grow the green tops prior to bulbing the better the end result too, so a boost with some nitrogen this time of year seems to help as things warm up and the days lengthen. 
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on February 28, 2012, 07:49:14 PM
I love the bat house! I think you need one of those blinking lights though to warn off aircraft. Wow your onions and greens look wonderful
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on February 28, 2012, 08:59:05 PM
That bat house is awesome! BTW, I bet if you mounted cameras on that thing you could monitor the whole neighborhood, lol.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 29, 2012, 04:37:15 AM
Haha lights and cameras are the best ideas I've heard so far.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Greywolf27 on February 29, 2012, 05:51:54 PM
I was listening to Jason's latest podcast and he talked about companion planting.  It occurred to me that I needed a couple more flowers in the garden.  I also didn't have any oregano.  So I stopped on the way home to pick up some sunflowers, nasturtium, oregano and dill seed.  I also noticed that a couple of my see starting trays were looking pretty rough, so I picked up 4 more of them.

I updated my spreadsheet with the new seed purchases.  I'm still keeping up on the updates.

keep an eye on your nasturtiums... the garden I have put together at my mother's has 14th generation nasturtiums... I have not replanted them... they come back every year.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on February 29, 2012, 06:46:38 PM
I know what you can mount on the bat house. A streaming camera so we can watch you work in the garden!!!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Greywolf27 on February 29, 2012, 07:20:50 PM
I know what you can mount on the bat house. A streaming camera so we can watch you work in the garden!!!

What she said ^^
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on February 29, 2012, 07:45:30 PM
I know what you can mount on the bat house. A streaming camera so we can watch you work in the garden!!!

Ha.   The only problem is I don't have a 20 foot stepladder and I'm sure not going to hoist that beast again.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 04, 2012, 07:46:02 PM
Sprouts are growing

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/defc0b18.jpg)

Lettuce in hoop house is kicking in

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/b143ed57.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 12, 2012, 08:02:54 PM
Tomatoes - germinate in vermiculite, transplant to soil blocks


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/3e5ae9aa.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/dda976a9.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/6774cad7.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/a7630e2f.jpg)

Transplanted monster Rosemary bush and beginnings of a new bed (something like #27 now maybe)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/23c1327e.jpg)

Onion sets up between garlic and shallots

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/1796498b.jpg)

Sparkling Water on Russian red kale

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/6146de87.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on March 15, 2012, 08:58:46 AM
Awesome stuff Cohutt, it all looks tasty! I knew you'd find a way to add another bed, lol.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 15, 2012, 09:18:29 PM
Awesome stuff Cohutt, it all looks tasty! I knew you'd find a way to add another bed, lol.

 I got a wild hare up my rump and installed this in the last 2 evenings, so the extra bed is a non-event lol, a 500 gallon amphibian/garden pond that will have a bog garden to the side

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/8679b3ad.jpg)


I get in some shoveling moods occasionally and decided to move the good composted soil from this spot to a new bed area in the boxwoods, so when you are left with a hole, what else to do? Mae it bigger and fill it up. ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on March 15, 2012, 09:42:48 PM
What are you thinking of putting in there? Plants, animals or both?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 16, 2012, 04:49:43 AM
What are you thinking of putting in there? Plants, animals or both?

Mainly just setting up nice habitat for frogs toads dragonflies etc, all appealing predators.   I have a slug rich environment back there  that a few toads would keep in the box.

I'm not filtering the water, so it isn't going to be a fish pond.   From all I have read nice smelly greenish algae water that is not moving is ideal for amphibian attraction/reproduction.   I

mrs cohutt liked the idea as long as it ultimately looked nice, so i have some work to do.  I'll add some aquatic plants and plan to bring in some of the ferns and other plants in from the bol bog area down stream from where we were shooting that day.  May try some watercress, supposedly it is easy (and healthy/tasty)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on March 16, 2012, 08:03:58 AM
Sounds like a plan.  I will suggest planting some citronella bushes near it to as that is also a good environment for mosquitoes.  Although toads will help with those too.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 16, 2012, 03:23:39 PM
Sounds like a plan.  I will suggest planting some citronella bushes near it to as that is also a good environment for mosquitoes.  Although toads will help with those too.

the bell bird bath  in the garden never has mosquito issues.  there are elusive little diving water beetles or bugs of some sort that i think live ff of the larvae.  i siphoned 2/3 of the nice green bell water along with its flora and fauna into the pond so that it might get a jump start in establishing a biosystem of sorts.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on March 16, 2012, 07:22:22 PM
Very cool.  Maybe turn a couple of the terracotta flower pots into toad houses?  I have a couple of them under a couple of the trees next to the garden.  I haven't seen any toads in there, but I'm hoping that they are using it.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 16, 2012, 08:34:08 PM
Very cool.  Maybe turn a couple of the terracotta flower pots into toad houses?  I have a couple of them under a couple of the trees next to the garden.  I haven't seen any toads in there, but I'm hoping that they are using it.

I was going to build some toad condos of sorts using some of the large flat stepping stone rocks that I uncovered and collected the winter before last.  I have a stack of them that I plan on deploying as pond edging and toad cover.  I also have some modest crooked logs / sawed  branches from 3-6" in diameter that I'll stack & arrange nearby for cover for the offspring should any be produced this year.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 17, 2012, 07:11:46 PM
Toad condo: Mark edges around stone, remove, excavate, refill partially with sandy mix, place bricks as supports, make sure there are gaps for entry/exit, replace stone, wait for toads.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/daf9a440.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/2cca5ded.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/9789fc5c.jpg)

This one is adjacent to the first ring of rocks around the pond and one of the bog garden "beds".
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on March 17, 2012, 10:07:33 PM
the bell bird bath  in the garden never has mosquito issues.  there are elusive little diving water beetles or bugs of some sort that i think live ff of the larvae.  i siphoned 2/3 of the nice green bell water along with its flora and fauna into the pond so that it might get a jump start in establishing a biosystem of sorts.

Why does it not surprise me that you already had a well thought out plan ready to execute.  ;) Very cool.

However, I think it may be about time for another garden tour.   8)  Seriously, you should charge an entrance fee... to other people. hahaha
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 18, 2012, 04:19:15 AM
For you, the special early bird rate of $0.00 ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on March 21, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
Sweet! That is right in my price range.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 24, 2012, 09:03:34 PM
This bed contains descendants of "seed" from the gardens of tsp Mods Spartan & Fritz Monroe.

The left side is the 3rd generation of hardneck garlic I received as a thank you from Spartan in 2009 for when I shared some home cast lead 44 mag bullets.  They have gotten steadily larger as the best and biggest cloves were saved each year for seed.
The right side is a small batch of potato onions that I received in a trade with Fritz for some shallot seeds stock I had.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/7edbbbc6.jpg)

Spartan and Fritz, your stuff is taking to N GA very well. :)

(The little white flowering plant outside the bed in front of the onions is one of the perpetually appearing arugula volunteers I have around the yard. I swear if you just let a couple plants go to seed you will never buy or plant seed again.)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on March 25, 2012, 06:24:51 AM
Glad those potato onions are working out.  You should end up with a bunch of seed stock for next year.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 25, 2012, 09:05:51 PM
This is year 3; the asparagus bed will be ravaged, finally, after harvesting nothing the first two years.

I feel like it is about to explode; the real spears started breaking ground a couple days ago:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/e0454d6c.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: average_joe on March 26, 2012, 04:45:42 AM
I like the new pool and toad house cohutt. DW has always wanted one, mind if I steal you're idea's. ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on March 26, 2012, 07:28:43 AM
Congrats on the asparagus.  I couldn't wait and harvested 1 spear yesterday.  Mine is in year 2 of growth.  I see various recommendations, some say nothing the first 2 years, others say a few in year 2 is fine.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on March 28, 2012, 08:22:32 PM
My wife is jealous of your asparagus.  I may try to milk that and talk her into killing more of the lawn.  ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 29, 2012, 05:34:58 AM
Have had an odd visitor the last couple of evenings- a quail, a single one who is pretty tame.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/59e01018.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/81cfc6a5.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on March 30, 2012, 08:01:28 PM
I pulled some of the larger leeks this evening before they started getting woody

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/2eb5cde0.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's weedpatch v4.0
Post by: ttubravesrock on April 01, 2012, 03:04:55 PM
Besides the Asparagus and Onions, none of your pictures are showing up as of now.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's weedpatch v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 01, 2012, 05:03:37 PM
Besides the Asparagus and Onions, none of your pictures are showing up as of now.

odd. will look into it.

edit:
 it appears that w-eedpatch has been substituted for g-arden across the entire board. Unfortunately a llot of my pictures carry g-arden in their links, so most broke. 

Hopefully it is just one of our admins messing with us and will be fixed soon. 
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Mr. Bill on April 01, 2012, 05:20:19 PM
Duh, oops.  Fixed it.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 01, 2012, 05:27:19 PM
Happy April 1 lol

Hey roswell, your little sprig of mint from 2 years ago seems to be doing ok now:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/1a8fda0e.jpg)



Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on April 02, 2012, 09:02:48 AM
That is awesome.   :clap:

I guess you don't need anymore than. :rofl:
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 02, 2012, 07:20:40 PM
Ros,

I think i might even be able to spare a little; in a year or two the mint will square off against the encroaching catnip, should be interesting.


update:

The bog garden is waking up now

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/1a6e8668.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/eb4e2e36.jpg)

These things are among the coolest plants I have seen: fiddleheads rolling up and out into fern fronds

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/3a827820.jpg)



Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on April 02, 2012, 08:06:20 PM
This is year 3; the asparagus bed will be ravaged, finally, after harvesting nothing the first two years.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/e0454d6c.jpg)

What variety is that?

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 02, 2012, 08:40:57 PM
What variety is that?

Cedar

Jersey Knight hybrid-

When the large spears start they are white as they break ground (you can see the blunt white tip of another one breaking the surface behind and to the right), then morph into the purplish green of this one then end up mostly green.

The progression of the bed over the first two years has been pretty good; it still hasn't really started putting out yet this year but we've been getting a few decent spears plus some of the early spindly ones each day.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 11, 2012, 09:06:33 PM
Basil starts

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/76e392b8.jpg)


Skeleton of the first hoophouse after removing the poly ( reducing size next fall to just cover two beds ).  New amphibian pond next to it is beginning to look habitable but no activity yet

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/eaa2179e.jpg)

Volunteer oakleaf type lettuce discovered between poly and bed wall

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/85d74029.jpg)

All time record warm March in Georgia leads me to take the poly down immediately ahead of a relatively late frost warning. oops.

So, the tomato sand other eedlings journey back to the sun room for 48 hours before going into the ground this weekend....

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/5545d3b0.jpg)

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: ncjeeper on April 11, 2012, 11:27:24 PM
Yeah near freezing temps here in NC too. Covered my beds.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: average_joe on April 12, 2012, 06:10:09 AM
Same here, it is 28 degrees here right now.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 13, 2012, 11:55:54 AM
we kissed a freeze here but didn't go all the way

looks like all is fine, slight warming trend in place now
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on April 13, 2012, 06:58:12 PM
Did you get the package yet?

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: ncjeeper on April 13, 2012, 08:56:56 PM
we kissed a freeze here but didn't go all the way

looks like all is fine, slight warming trend in place now
yep same here.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 15, 2012, 07:39:22 PM
Did you get the package yet?

Cedar

Yes, Thank you.

I'm sorry I didn't have a chance to open it and comment til now:

Orca
Anasazi
Sultan's Golden Crescent
Tiger Eye

Q:  on the Tiger Eye you wrote "cull out red ones"-

I have to ask why.

:)

I will do a blog post on them and the idea of crop diversity and add a link to your blog (it will be a couple days though)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 15, 2012, 08:08:00 PM
Thumbs for the 4:

Sultans Golden Crescent
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/th_ae5800fe.jpg) (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/ae5800fe.jpg)



Tiger Eye
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/th_7fe0ac73.jpg) (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/7fe0ac73.jpg)

Anasazi
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/th_9c985269.jpg) (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/9c985269.jpg)

Orca
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/th_8a410606.jpg) (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/8a410606.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on April 15, 2012, 09:02:00 PM
Q:  on the Tiger Eye you wrote "cull out red ones"-
I have to ask why.

The appeal of the "Tiger Eye" bean is the red streaks on the yellow background. Not the yellow streaks on the red background. You don't want to breed the red in.

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 15, 2012, 09:16:04 PM
I suppose I'l just have to eat those.

;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on April 15, 2012, 09:28:27 PM
Yeppers.

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on April 16, 2012, 02:36:27 PM
I have my first asparagus thingies coming in this year.  Do you have any recommendations on what works best for them for conditions?  In general, my soil is fairly quick draining (generally pretty sandy with the base material being a decomposed granite, but my imported soil being more of a loam), but I have some areas that are wetter and drier than others.  Any suggestions?

Cedar, feel free to pipe in, too. ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 16, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
I have my first asparagus thingies coming in this year.  Do you have any recommendations on what works best for them for conditions?  In general, my soil is fairly quick draining (generally pretty sandy with the base material being a decomposed granite, but my imported soil being more of a loam), but I have some areas that are wetter and drier than others.  Any suggestions?

Cedar, feel free to pipe in, too. ;)

Hopefully you worked in a lot of compost etc into the soil before planting (I added bonemeal, composted manure and composted leaves).

The first two years your goal is to grow as much greenery as possible; these solar panels provide the energy to grow/establish the root crowns so that they can sustain future harvesting of the spears.  Once you see how they fern out massively you will get the picture lol.

This is my 2nd year bed in August last year-

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202011/Garden2011806.jpg)

So, with this in mind, what would you do to maximize healthy greenery on most any plant or tree

1 Feed it nutrients (I top dress/side dress compost before and after the harvest season. )
2 Feed it water
3 Eliminate competition, ie keep it weeded especially before the canopy blocks out sunlight and gives you a hand.   If you have any shrubs or trees nearby you might do some root pruning along the bed edge. (Camelia roots will invade, I know this lol).
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on April 16, 2012, 05:07:32 PM
Good god, what have I done?  I don't want anything that ugly growing in my yard! :o

Well, since we have two horses and no disposal service at this point, every bed has several yards of well composted manure in them, so rich soil is not an issue in my established beds.  Now that I've seen what I have coming it helps me plan on where to put them to avoid shading other things out.  How many square feet do you think is covered by each plant?  Looks massive, like maybe 9sq. ft.  Does that seem about right?  If so, I may only end up planting 3-4 crowns and giving the other 4-5 away.  At this point that's a lot of square footage to consume with plants that take three years to produce.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 16, 2012, 07:16:11 PM
i planted roughly 1 every sq ft in a 16x3 ft bed, all in all 40 crowns i think. 

I put a tether line up around the bed to keep the things contained.  Bunch them all together you won't regret it- harvest years 3 through 23+, with increasing yield for some time, esp if you have the horse manure compost. 

Last spring after the first wave of spears stretched out but before they "fronded" out.  ;)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202011/Garden2011185.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Entity on April 16, 2012, 07:39:19 PM
looks pretty to me, although a little out of control. That said, that is desirable in the first couple of years, once you have culled the female plants. You want nice strong crowns to give you worth while spears
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on April 16, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
I'm in year 2 of our asparagus.  I couldn't help myself but to harvest the first spear that was big enough.  The others are all coming up nicely.  I have found that there's a couple crowns that either didn't make it through winter, or the squirrels dug up.  Either way, there's a couple bare spots in the asparagus rows.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on April 16, 2012, 08:38:31 PM
Ok, I'll go for the densepack strategy.  If it was good enough for the MX missiles, it's good enough for my asparagus.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on April 16, 2012, 08:48:43 PM
You can cut the ferns as they die back. I plant one 1 year old plant every foot. I only fertilize with rabbit manure on them. I swore I was not going to plant anymore asparagus as I always end up moving the 3rd or 4th year!!!

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 16, 2012, 09:26:26 PM
Since you guys think my asparagus is so unkempt  I think I'll change the subject: 

In the amphibian pond (which hasn't yet hosted an amphibian that I am aware of lol) the hardy water lilly is already about to bloom:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/d498d103.jpg)

And...  the Sage is in full bee heaven bloom:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/ec88d3c2.jpg)

And... the blueberries are under cover of netting

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/7380d6d5.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on April 16, 2012, 10:03:43 PM
Since you guys think my asparagus is so unkempt  I think I'll change the subject:

I was good with it !!!

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Entity on April 16, 2012, 10:37:13 PM
Since you guys think my asparagus is so unkempt  I think I'll change the subject: 

at least it looks better than bracken
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 17, 2012, 05:14:04 AM
at least it looks better than bracken

lol, remind me not to post pics of the bog garden once the fiddleheads have all grown out into "bracken"
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: WVMan73 on April 17, 2012, 09:20:32 AM
As a lover of asparagus that bed looked heavenly to me, not unkempt.. and far from ugly. lol
Cohutt, you just continue to make me jealous!

Thanks for showing your blueberry cover. I've been thinking of making a cover support similar to yours and it's real good to see a gardener that I respect doing it the same way. ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 17, 2012, 11:14:02 AM
As a lover of asparagus that bed looked heavenly to me, not unkempt.. and far from ugly. lol
Cohutt, you just continue to make me jealous!

Thanks for showing your blueberry cover. I've been thinking of making a cover support similar to yours and it's real good to see a gardener that I respect doing it the same way. ;)


thanks

look at the pole alignment in the stand alone backpacking tents and you will see how I came up with it.   I used the cheap bird netting from Home Depot last year; this year i ordered some sturdier netting with larger "holes" that the reviews suggested would last several years.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: WVMan73 on April 17, 2012, 03:48:35 PM
I was thinking of building one basically like a PVC greenhouse/hoop house, but just using the bird netting instead of the plastic sheeting on it. I wouldn't need to make it quite as sturdy, and it would only be temporary. Honestly I think I like your setup better. lol

I need a quick erase drawing board cause I keep revising my plans.  ::) lol
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Greywolf27 on April 17, 2012, 07:00:51 PM
I really like you idea for netting on the blueberries.  My bushes are just about to get attacked by birds, I need to get the netting up this weekend.  I think I will use some sort of set up like you have.  I'll see about putting some photos up of my work.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 17, 2012, 08:22:08 PM
Thanks GW. i've faced the fact that I'm going to be trying something different every year despite how well something works. Stay tuned lol.

some berries worth protecting:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/94222cfb.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on April 18, 2012, 06:08:06 AM
Asparagus may not be the prettiest plant, but it's one of the tastiest as far as I'm concerned so if it grew in a puddle of goo I'd still think it looked great.  ;D

I like the blueberry netting. How long will PVC last when it's bent like that?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 18, 2012, 07:51:35 PM


I like the blueberry netting. How long will PVC last when it's bent like that?

I've had these bent one way or another since last fall and a couple of 1/2 and 3/4 pieces pieces that are in their third year

Versatile and cheap.  I haven't gotten my mind made up on any permanent structures yet.  Once I do I'll probably use the chain link fence rail tube if i go with a hoop style greenhouse.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 18, 2012, 07:59:26 PM
I had a nice email exchange with Clayton @ Soil Cube about this picture I put up on the blog 

;)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/4289110c.jpg)



This food revolution thing may just stick around in the cohutt household.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on April 19, 2012, 07:16:24 AM
Ha!  :D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: MIZZOU_RAH on April 20, 2012, 01:20:53 PM
Hey Cohutt, I was wondering how you have kept track of your gardening/hobby finances for this project over the years? (not specific figures, just how you've laid out your budget) I'm just getting started with my first raised bed and while my fiance and I are both doing well in a DINK (Dual-Income, No Kids) household, I would like to have an idea at the end of the day how much money I have saved growing some of our own veggies and herbs. And on the flip side, I would like to know if after a few growing seasons I'm averaging $15 of cost/1 good tomato so I can just quit! lol

IIRC you said you worked in finance, so I figure you'd have had something put together for your project. Any thoughts/ideas/tips or trends you've noticed with your gardening budgetting/finances?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on April 20, 2012, 01:31:00 PM
Mizz, the real pay off comes with perennials.  Things like asparagus, raspberries, fruit trees and strawberries.  You buy them once and they produce for you for years to come. 

Things like potatoes can also be a good return on investment if you save all your small potatoes and store them until the next year to plant again. 
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on April 20, 2012, 03:14:40 PM
MIZZOU_RAH,

I'm sure Cohutt will chime in when he gets off work but, I wanted to add to what Endurance said.  You have to remember that sometimes it costs a lot to get started gardening, but once your beds are set up you only have to buy seeds. Meaning you can keep planting in them year after year.  You may have to add compost to top it off every now and then, but if you set up a couple compost heaps that cost too drops to $0. If that isn't enough you can probably get some cheap stuff from your county extension office or recycling center. You can also get lumber for the beds themselves from construction sites who have discarded pieces (ask first) as well as Freecycle (http://www.freecycle.org). Freecycle (http://www.freecycle.org) is also a good place to find other garden supplies like pots and such for free.

In addition, some plants give you more bang for your buck.  Check these links out...

"The most profitable plants in your vegetable garden" (http://www.cheapvegetablegardener.com/2009/01/most-profitable-plants-in-your.html)

"Top 6 most cost-effective vegetables to grow" (http://eartheasy.com/blog/2011/01/top-6-most-cost-effective-vegetables-to-grow/)

Hope it helps!
Roswell
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: MIZZOU_RAH on April 20, 2012, 03:39:30 PM
Great links Roswell! I can already see the input costs adding up a tad, but I should be able to get an 8'x4' raised bed and a little composting system installed for less than $50 before the costs of seeds. (I really could've done better, but I'm lazy when it comes to Craigslisting for secondhand stuff) We were planning on starting with most of the plants near the top of the cost-effectiveness lists, so that's good news! I like the idea of perrenials, but it'll take some planning a guile to incorporate stuff like that into a small city lot.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on April 20, 2012, 03:41:39 PM
There's also a point where gardening saves money in other ways.  If I didn't have a garden, I'd be spending $50/month for a dumpster to haul away the horse manure.  Instead, I have great compost for free.  Since moving the horses onto the property last May, they've provided me with over 15 yards of high quality compost.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on April 20, 2012, 04:03:49 PM
And on the flip side, I would like to know if after a few growing seasons I'm averaging $15 of cost/1 good tomato so I can just quit!

Basically when it all comes down to it, you need dirt, water, sun and plants. Plants want to grow.

If you look and are lucky you should be able to find all you need for free that someone else wants to get rid of. I thought I spent too much this time around for my 12x19 ft hoophouse which was just a little over my budget of $50. If I had spent more time looking, I bet I would have gotten that below $25. If you look at my garden thread and see that greenhouse at my friends house that I am calling Garden Annex #1, my friends built that huge greenhouse for nothing but recycled materials.

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 20, 2012, 09:11:43 PM
Ok..  Hmmmm.


This is the sort of question that comes up about loading your own ammo.  Yes, it is cheaper but there is an up front cost to getting set up.  All being equal you could calculate your break even or capital recovery time.

But all isn't equal.  You end up shooting a lot more and enjoy much more accurate ammunition so mostly it just improves the quality and experience of the activity.   

It is the same with this garden/homestead thing as well; before and after isn't an apples to apples comparison because my life has changed for the positive over this period, and largely from the impact of this transformation that can't really be quantified in $ and cents.

With this project, I'm still in the up front capital stage.  I'm nearing the end of a three year labor intensive transformation of my home into something that we improve the quality of our lives for years to come.

My material costs have been something I have dribbled money otno as I've gone along over the the last 3 years - lumber and soil mix components mainly. 
Hired labor/ services? $1000 or so in tree removal, around $4000 in a well (an absolute luxury but a game changer in the long run) and I'm about to spend another $500 splitting the cost of removing a clump of ivy choked hackberries from just off the back corner of my property.  They are on my neighbor's property but when the fall I would bear most fo the brunt. The 3 of us got together and discussed what we might do and struck a deal that benefits of all.

What is the return on this investment?

We don't spend any money to speak of on produce at all, instead our diet follows what is available and I have figured out it is a 12 month harvest here.
I am much healthier- but by our opinion but also supported in the data from the Doc's- blood pressure abated and I dropped one of 2 BP meds. Lipid numbers collapsed after pushing to alarming levels 2 years ago.  I am leaner and 12 or 13 lbs lighted (a lot since I was a little over 160 before).

The reality is while I'm watching costs, I'm not doing it to save money.  I'm doing all the labor because I enjoy it and it gives me the peace of mind that comes with competence in a diverse number of skills and application.   I'm at a stage in life where I have more than covered my bases financially- I'm debt free and have been for a little while now. (This was not by accident; we have been leery of debt since we got out of school and never had anything other than 15 year mortgages of which the max was under $100,000).  I have saved and invested and lived nicely but frugally for my income level for almost 30 years now (the first 8 or 10 were a total struggle though).   
I hope this serves as a testimony to the younger members here (I'm 52 btw) and does not come off as arrogant or condescending.   

Bottom line, the return on my investment is immense and not measurable just in $.  I am living the life I wish to live
without the stress that comes from being a slave to anything or anyone.     I have gotten more satisfaction from Cedar's trust in me to help propagate a few relatively rare bean variates than I have in making any amount of money of late.  It is a good place to be in life, come join me. ;) 

As Jack says, the revolution is you.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: MIZZOU_RAH on April 21, 2012, 07:04:44 AM
Ok..  Hmmmm.
This is the sort of question that comes up about loading your own ammo.  Yes, it is cheaper but there is an up front cost to getting set up.  All being equal you could calculate your break even or capital recovery time. But all isn't equal.  You end up shooting a lot more and enjoy much more accurate ammunition so mostly it just improves the quality and experience of the activity. It is the same with this garden/homestead thing as well; before and after isn't an apples to apples comparison because my life has changed for the positive over this period, and largely from the impact of this transformation that can't really be quantified in $ and cents.

With this project, I'm still in the up front capital stage.  I'm nearing the end of a three year labor intensive transformation of my home into something that we improve the quality of our lives for years to come. My material costs have been something I have dribbled money otno as I've gone along over the the last 3 years - lumber and soil mix components mainly. Hired labor/ services? $1000 or so in tree removal, around $4000 in a well (an absolute luxury but a game changer in the long run) and I'm about to spend another $500 splitting the cost of removing a clump of ivy choked hackberries from just off the back corner of my property.  They are on my neighbor's property but when the fall I would bear most fo the brunt. The 3 of us got together and discussed what we might do and struck a deal that benefits of all.

What is the return on this investment? We don't spend any money to speak of on produce at all, instead our diet follows what is available and I have figured out it is a 12 month harvest here. I am much healthier- but by our opinion but also supported in the data from the Doc's- blood pressure abated and I dropped one of 2 BP meds. Lipid numbers collapsed after pushing to alarming levels 2 years ago.  I am leaner and 12 or 13 lbs lighted (a lot since I was a little over 160 before).

The reality is while I'm watching costs, I'm not doing it to save money.  I'm doing all the labor because I enjoy it and it gives me the peace of mind that comes with competence in a diverse number of skills and application.   I'm at a stage in life where I have more than covered my bases financially- I'm debt free and have been for a little while now. (This was not by accident; we have been leery of debt since we got out of school and never had anything other than 15 year mortgages of which the max was under $100,000).  I have saved and invested and lived nicely but frugally for my income level for almost 30 years now (the first 8 or 10 were a total struggle though).

I hope this serves as a testimony to the younger members here (I'm 52 btw) and does not come off as arrogant or condescending. Bottom line, the return on my investment is immense and not measurable just in $.  I am living the life I wish to live
without the stress that comes from being a slave to anything or anyone.     I have gotten more satisfaction from Cedar's trust in me to help propagate a few relatively rare bean variates than I have in making any amount of money of late.  It is a good place to be in life, come join me. ;) As Jack says, the revolution is you.

*quiet applause* Well said, sir!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on April 21, 2012, 07:14:05 AM
As Cohutt has demonstrated, this is what he LOVES to do.

But a garden is a long term investment in your health and can be a financial investment as well.  But I doubt that I've broken even on my garden yet.  I do try to go the inexpensive route with stuff, but I try not to be cheap.  I've bought cheap too many times and been bitten in the butt because of it.  Do things smart but frugally.  Freecycle is a great place for getting materials, but in my area most are gone within a couple minutes of posting.  I also like the compost available at our municipal compost facility.  For $10, I get a huge load of dark black compost.

Just this year I started using a spreadsheet to track my garden planting.  I have included a column for cost as well, but I don't enter any of my material costs on there, I guess I probably should though.  If anyone's interested, the spreadsheet is available on my Garden Planning Spreadsheet blog post (http://fritzmonroe.com/fritz/2012/01/26/garden-planning-spreadsheet/)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on April 21, 2012, 08:21:18 AM
It's posts like that Mr. Cohutt that make the forum go 'round.  I would plover to get to 50% production someday, but it's the other non-monitary gains that keep me moving forward on the garden.  It's the trial and error., the experimentation., the learning new things and sharing ideas that is addictive as heck.  ...and there's just so many different directions you can take with it., some following in the footsteps of others., many breaking new trail.  It's a fun and rewarding endevour.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 21, 2012, 11:29:05 AM
Damn i was tired when I penned that last night. Should have done a grammar/spell check lol

Thank you for the comments- it really is true. 

F*** anyone or anything that attempts to alter this life's destiny which I am already living.   

When you get over the hump your financial and lifestyle independence blossom and grow at at a much faster rate than it did when your were working steadily towards your goals.  It is like you enjoy linear progress and improvement until you are very near your goal and then one day you realize it has turned exponential.  Sometime about then you realize you are where you aspired to be and had actually been there for a while before you realized it.

It brings a peace of mind and a confidence that preaches the gospel of self sufficiency and independence not in words but in actions.  It is amazing; I tell everyone who asks to stop by anytime or to send anyone who might be interested and they are doing it.  And people are asking.  They ask through my friends and neighbors, they contact me at work, they ask my wife in the grocery store, they just show up......

Since Thursday I have had 5 people (it is lunch break Saturday as I type this) show up to the fence and ask if they could come in, that they wanted to see what I was doing. 
One was a good friend who I've inspired to turn his mother's empty lot a block away into a neighborhood garden (last spring's weather destroyed her home) and he was picking up seedlings I started for him several weeks ago
One is an employee & business partner who's family runs a classic rural seed & feed store in the next county; her parents are old school self sufficient, with chickens rabbits garden permaculture etc who have told her they have never seen someone in the city be so productive with so little space; she was picking up some thai basil and New Zealand spinach seedlings for them to expand their horizons a bit this summer and she also left with a bundle of red russian kale and green garlic for her dinner ,
Two were a young couple who are engaged to be married in June and were wanting  "to learn about this homesteading attitude" I possess (lol)
One was a retired and very knowledgeable woman who is the President of the local master gardeners association; she has a beautiful and eclectic mountain top garden but thinks mine is the most amazing project she's ever seen, mainly because I had the audacity to just do it.  (we now trade plants and she is learning about pretty things she can eat from me and teaching me about flowering vines and perennials that I can inter-plant for the growing population of pollinators that spend a good part of their short lives in my garden. )  She wants to have the master gardeners association come tour one evening; I would have been intimidated a year or two back, now I'm fine to say "whenever you wish." 

Lunch break is over so back to work play.  I put in a rice paddy this morning (I'm not kidding) and have some sweet potato slips to plant now ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on April 21, 2012, 02:23:50 PM
What variety of rice did you put in? I dealt with wild rice (not a true rice) up north.

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 21, 2012, 06:55:07 PM
Japanese Koshihikari

The sticky sushi rice

Just for the hell of it and to learn something new.  I'll probably grow water cress in it next year.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 21, 2012, 08:49:50 PM
A real spring treat:

Fresh "Green Garlic"

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/37d3108b.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on April 21, 2012, 11:49:24 PM
That looks really good. I love garlic.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 22, 2012, 05:11:19 AM
Someone told me about it last year and i pulled some of the thinner necked plants to try it.  It is good, different that cured mature garlic in the same way pulled baby onions are vs the mature bulbs.

Last fall i decided to plant several of the smaller interior cloves from the seed garlic in a crowded grid just for this.

I'll be doing it every year from now on ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on April 22, 2012, 07:06:07 AM
I remember a discussion around here about fresh green garlic.  You use that just like you would regular mature garlic, right?

Any chance you will write up some details about that rice paddy on your blog?  I've thought about trying that myself, but haven't put in the homework.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 22, 2012, 10:39:18 AM
I remember a discussion around here about fresh green garlic.  You use that just like you would regular mature garlic, right?

Any chance you will write up some details about that rice paddy on your blog?  I've thought about trying that myself, but haven't put in the homework.

The garlic is milder, so i tend to add it to dishes much later vs typically starting with mature garlic.

RE: the rice & blog

Confession time: 

I purposely haven't posted anything on the blog about it and waited until mrs cohutt was out of town to build the mini-paddies so that the reception of the idea would be rendered post-installation. 
Two reasons:
1. It will tie into the frog pond nearby and will be as much an aesthetic addition as a productive one, maybe more (we will see how the rice goes lol).  As I am progressing I'm really liking the way it is coming together and it really adds depth to the landscape in an otherwise difficult area. 
2. The old adage "It is easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" definitely applies. ;)    My aspergergian tendencies make me a much more visual person than she is and no matter how i described what i wanted to do it would have been met with resistance.  I have no doubt that she will like it once it is done as long as i tend to the other things she wants done back here as well, ie clean up after myself and repaint the cast iron patio furniture. 

Hopefully I'll get something posted tonight.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 23, 2012, 05:12:47 AM
I wore myself out with a beautiful weekend & putting two 12 hour days into the projects.  Saturday I worked on the rice "paddy", really just two lined beds with leveled wooden lip or top edges that insures the top "paddy " will drain into the bottom "paddy".  The top one is still just a frame but the bottom is 99% complete.   I spent a lot of time moving the large slate stepping stones I pulled from the boxwood garden last year when reconfiguring; they cover the low natural depression that drains the back part of my yard and will keep mud and sogginess down (and mrs cohutt happy).

More later on the blog when I have the energy to bring up a legibly detailed count of how it will all work, but here are some pics of the "paddy" as well as a couple of aesthetic improvements for the benefit of mrs cohutt:

The paddies (the top one is just framed and balanced in roughly where it will go) and the rock stepping stone drain field leading down to the frog pond:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/707a82ce.jpg)

A quick bed for some iris bulbs I traded for around the beech stump; the post is an artifact I scavenged and restored some time back but had not put anywhere until now:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/3c84d213.jpg)

"The tommie toe corral" ie this year's attempt to contain the monsters. I'll let them spill over the fence instead of worry how to stake the top 6 feet of the vines (they have run 12 by seasons end):

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/6c8be751.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 26, 2012, 04:38:42 AM
I have been on hold for a couple of days now.

I had some trees that we had scheduled to be removed start falling earlier in the week and have put most of the activity in the back part of the yard on hold until the "widowmaker" leaning i the top of the oak branches over my yard in removed.  I happened to be home @ lunch and outside when one started splitting and coming down; needless to say the dog and I immediately sprinted away from the noise without looking back.  There is a cluster of large hackberries just off the back corner of my property that have been consumed by ivy; the 3 of us had gone in together to have the whole bunch removed. 
My new tree man (the one the neighbor negotiated with had canceled last Thursday and rescheduled for next week) is going to try and get a bucket truck by this morning to remove the hazard and then come back Friday to finish the job.  Until then I'm doing things like painting patio furniture and finishing the irrigation system up front.  ;)

I took a picture of the splitting tree in the process of falling down; it wiped out the other side of the oak tree a few minutes after this picture (taken  a few minutes after I ran for my life lol).   I was outside of the fence across the yard when I took this- honestly it freaked me out a little because I was about as close to that corner as possible when the thing fell apart.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/9d1caf9c.jpg)

The half that fell into my neighbor's yard is the leaner where wood is visible; the half leaning over my yard is covered with ivy and extends well out of the picture above.  The dangling branch in the top of the photo is directly over mt week head and where I was when it started cracking and groaning.
Geez.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on April 26, 2012, 08:48:33 AM
Wow.  Glad you are staying away from that thing.  So, do you think that the ivy is to blame?  With it that thick, it probably holds a lot of humidity right next to the tree.  And it probably weighs a ton.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on April 26, 2012, 11:37:49 AM
I'm glad that you and the dog weren't hurt, cohutt!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 26, 2012, 03:32:19 PM
Yes, ivy is a killer, primarily because it chokes out the tree's ability to put out foliage at this stage plus it weighs a ton and is like a big sail in the wind.

And it is windy as hell here today (again) and the dangling branch is now on the fence. booooooo!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 28, 2012, 08:18:40 PM
A lot of these never make it into the house

:)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/44a765e8.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on April 28, 2012, 08:49:36 PM
Mmmmm, I saw several of my strawberries putting put flowers today.  It won't be long now.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on April 29, 2012, 07:21:12 AM
My strawberries are just starting with flowers.

But I have a goose berry plant that a former coworker gave me.  I put it in a pot at the old house and when we moved here, I planted it in the ground.  I thought for sure that it was dead.  This year I'm getting some berries on the plant.  Here's hoping that I get to bring some in the house.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: lettuceman on April 29, 2012, 07:37:24 AM
That strawberry sure looks tasty.  We use 1 oz of liquid seaweed on all our plants.  I'm not sure if it does anything for flavor but it sure makes a healthy plant.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 29, 2012, 08:36:54 AM
My strawberries are just starting with flowers.

But I have a goose berry plant that a former coworker gave me.  I put it in a pot at the old house and when we moved here, I planted it in the ground.  I thought for sure that it was dead.  This year I'm getting some berries on the plant.  Here's hoping that I get to bring some in the house.

I had to look it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gooseberry

sounds interesting
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on April 29, 2012, 02:54:22 PM
I put in one gooseberry last year and adding four more this year.  Not often you get a bush that puts out a delicious berry and improves the soil, too.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on April 30, 2012, 10:00:21 PM
rice seedlings

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/8aa57bb9.jpg)

a weed flower

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/dde90db4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on May 01, 2012, 06:34:24 AM
I'm really interested in seeing how the rice paddies come out.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 01, 2012, 08:19:42 PM
I'm really interested in seeing how the rice paddies come out.

The reactions so far by about everyone when they hear I am trying it is at first a little surprise and a little "that's weird" expression, but then they all want to know how it works out.

Tonight I started digging the top one that will overflow into the longer one in the picture and it was a slow go.  More bricks unearthed, what a surprise (not).
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 01, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Red wasp taking a break between pest patrols in the lettuce and kale.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/f31024a9.jpg)

Harlequin bug (a Russian kale and bok-choi loving stink bug that just seems to eat and work on reproduction)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/790823c1.jpg)

In spite of diddling with a new camera a lot tonight I did get the dripline installed in the asparagus bed and planted the last of my peppers and basil too
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Melodee on May 01, 2012, 11:03:49 PM
You sure do take some amazing photos!!!! 
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on May 02, 2012, 07:35:32 AM
That's definitely the narrowest depth of field I've ever seen.  Amazing.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on May 02, 2012, 08:37:25 AM
What variety of rice are you growing? Are you transplanting them out of there and putting them into a child's wading pool?

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: MIZZOU_RAH on May 02, 2012, 09:00:35 AM
I had to look it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gooseberry

sounds interesting

Gooseberries are fantastic! I had never heard of them before I met my fiance, but they grow wild in the woods near where she grew up in central Missouri. You can eat them raw like candy just about. They're very sour, almost like a mild Warhead (if you remember the candy from the late 90s), but her sister also makes a gooseberry pie that is delicious and very sweet once you add sugar and all the other pie ingredients. Very versatile berry!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 02, 2012, 08:38:08 PM
You sure do take some amazing photos!!!! 

Thanks. The nikon that arrived Monday has a lot to do with it. ;)

That's definitely the narrowest depth of field I've ever seen.  Amazing.

Yeah I also picked up a macro lens that can go 1:1 @ 9" from the subject.  It has taken some trial and error to get enough of the target focused; the depth is a millimeter or 2 on auto, but the camera can be set to place emphasis on aperture so the super up close stuff works out just a little better if the subject isn't all in the same plane.  The only issue is that a tripod is a pretty much required except at high noon on a sunny day, and these bugs don't give you much time to fumble around and set one up. 

lol I've learned more in 48 hours than I did reading about it for the 48 days prior.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 02, 2012, 08:46:06 PM
What variety of rice are you growing? Are you transplanting them out of there and putting them into a child's wading pool?

Cedar

Koshihikari - the sweet high gluten sticky sushi rice.   I figured if I was going to do it just once I'd try something exotic.   

I built a paddy actually, just because. :) Unveiled it here:  http://cohutt.com/2012/04/29/rice/
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 02, 2012, 08:48:36 PM
Gooseberries are fantastic! I had never heard of them before I met my fiance, but they grow wild in the woods near where she grew up in central Missouri. You can eat them raw like candy just about. They're very sour, almost like a mild Warhead (if you remember the candy from the late 90s), but her sister also makes a gooseberry pie that is delicious and very sweet once you add sugar and all the other pie ingredients. Very versatile berry!

So how big do these cultivated gooseberry bushes get?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 03, 2012, 05:31:37 AM
Mrs cohutt didn't find that the doll head sentinel added as much ambiance to the garden as I did, even when mounted on a 12' piece of re-bar....  Imagine that.  ;)
(I unearthed it where leaves had been composted for 20 years; the mystery of what happened to it is finally solved lol).

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/4977634a.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on May 03, 2012, 06:21:33 AM
So how big do these cultivated gooseberry bushes get?
The native ones that are growing in my yard produce a more tart, not as pleasant reddish berry and grow to about 3.5' tall by about 4-5' of spread.  The one I bought from CRMPI last year were very productive and made an almost transparent berry that became sweeter throughout the season until the birds discovered them. :(

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6190/6101496869_5c995e9fa6_z.jpg)
(photo from last summer)

This year I planted a variety I found on-line at Miller Nurseries.  My bush from last year is already flowering and I'm already anticipating those sweet berries bursting in my mouth.  I hope the Pixwells that I got from Miller are as good.  I didn't feel like driving the four hours each way to go to CRMPI for a handful of potted shrubs.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 04, 2012, 06:00:18 AM
Gracias endurance.  Worth considering...... 

In the meantime, the inaugural artichoke of the season from one of my two plants continues to develop nicely.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/d0dd58df.jpg)

and my 2nd generation softneck garlic all in all is a little fatter at the stem this year vs last (as hoped):


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/9b5ffd41.jpg)

ditto for the 2nd generation elephant garlic:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/2541a50f.jpg)

some of the 2nd generation french red shallots are substantially larger than the best of last year's harvest:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/7d2999b4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Bradbn4 on May 04, 2012, 02:58:12 PM
Thanks. The nikon that arrived Monday has a lot to do with it. ;)

Yeah I also picked up a macro lens that can go 1:1 @ 9" from the subject.  It has taken some trial and error to get enough of the target focused; the depth is a millimeter or 2 on auto, but the camera can be set to place emphasis on aperture so the super up close stuff works out just a little better if the subject isn't all in the same plane.  The only issue is that a tripod is a pretty much required except at high noon on a sunny day, and these bugs don't give you much time to fumble around and set one up. 

lol I've learned more in 48 hours than I did reading about it for the 48 days prior.

ok - ya can't just say Nikon - Not that a really high end camera is in my future - model number would be nice.
Those photo's are very good- so more info is appreciated.   My last Nikon was an F2 body - and for it's day produced some very good photo's.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 04, 2012, 04:52:48 PM
D5100- they started offering instant rebates since the next generation is beginning to roll out i think. I looked at d7000 too, slightly better focus pts etc but in an alloy body for abuse. I liked the idea of a heavier duty body but for 2x the price tho on my first slr?  no thx
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on May 04, 2012, 06:18:03 PM
D5100- they started offering instant rebates since the next generation is beginning to roll out i think. I looked at d7000 too, slightly better focus pts etc but in an alloy body for abuse. I liked the idea of a heavier duty body but for 2x the price tho on my first slr?  no thx
I have a closet full of old Nikon SLR stuff.  I've sold some, but still have an FM2, F3, and a Tamaron 300mm F2.8 along with a huge assortment of other manual focus lenses.  Sure, they'll all fit my D80, but I have to manually meter them in addition to manually focus them, so I doubt they'll ever see much light of day again.  The resale is such a small fraction of what I paid, I can't bring myself to sell any of it.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on May 06, 2012, 11:50:37 AM
Mrs cohutt didn't find that the doll head sentinel added as much ambiance to the garden as I did, even when mounted on a 12' piece of re-bar....  Imagine that.  ;)
(I unearthed it where leaves had been composted for 20 years; the mystery of what happened to it is finally solved lol).

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/4977634a.jpg)


Seriously your neighborhood children now are going to ride fast past your home due to fear. I can hear the stories they are making up to scare each other;
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 06, 2012, 03:05:18 PM

Seriously your neighborhood children now are going to ride fast past your home due to fear. I can hear the stories they are making up to scare each other;


Yeah I'm the guy behind the outfield fence in "The Sand Lot".... ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: ttubravesrock on May 07, 2012, 12:25:35 PM

Seriously your neighborhood children now are going to ride fast past your home due to fear. I can hear the stories they are making up to scare each other;

children don't play outside anymore silly...
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: bigbear on May 09, 2012, 12:00:54 PM
children don't play outside anymore silly...

Not in Cohutt's neighborhood at least.

Yeah I'm the guy behind the outfield fence in "The Sand Lot".... ;)

 ;D  I was thinking the exact thing! 
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 09, 2012, 09:00:42 PM
Heh ;)


Back to our regularly scheduled programming.....

Green Garlic ready for pickling:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/c272d9c9.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 10, 2012, 08:17:41 PM
 Tomatoes are beginning to take off

Brandywine
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/075dae25.jpg)

Roma VF
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/2c339814.jpg)

In the background of the Roma pic above you can see the small stand of yellow Potato onions that I traded for with Fritz Monroe.  A closer look shows some girth on a couple:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/2351c02b.jpg)

Thornless blackberries

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/469b22cf.jpg)

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on May 11, 2012, 06:47:10 AM
Thornless blackberries

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/469b22cf.jpg)
Now what good is a blackberry that can't defend itself from deer? ;)

(not that the deer around here care) ::)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on May 11, 2012, 09:30:42 AM
I'm sure glad those potato onions are doing well.  The shallots You traded with me for them are looking great.  Very productive.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 11, 2012, 11:44:52 AM
Now what good is a blackberry that can't defend itself from deer? ;)

(not that the deer around here care) ::)

lol. their cousins nearby, the raspberries, have enough thorns for both

Besides at this point I don't think anything would eat these fuggly things:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/d61cd666.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 11, 2012, 11:49:15 AM
I'm sure glad those potato onions are doing well.  The shallots You traded with me for them are looking great.  Very productive.

That picture is one of the two of the little onions you sent that didn't divide and are putting all their energy onto a single big bulb.  And they are doing a pretty good job too.   This is from about 10 days ago with the magic blue office pen included for perspective.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/ca23101d.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 12, 2012, 04:38:12 AM
I think I've got a bat or two in residence now. For the first time, the white board under the house had some poop on it that didn't look like birds.  Also, there are a couple larger bats (likely "big brown" bats) that work the yard low immediately at dusk and before dawn. I'm having coffee in the back sunroom as I type this and I can see them against the ealry morning sky, sometimes a few feet from the window.
The bathouse was designed and built to hold a large "nursery colony" but several species will share shelter at times during the season depending on conditions.  I was told by experienced local "bat watchers" that it may take a season or two to attracts a sizable nursery colony (of "little brown" bats) but I would probably have random occupants come and go in small groups before then. 

 



Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on May 12, 2012, 06:21:56 AM
Stupid bat squatters! :D

I forgot that you'd put up the bat boxes. Please keep us informed on the bats. I'm trying to get the family into the idea of putting one up here.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 12, 2012, 09:34:18 PM
The frog pond is bringing in more good things

These two dragonflies have been patrolling on and off for a couple days

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/DSC_0003crp.jpg)


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/DSC_0005crp.jpg)

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 13, 2012, 09:08:44 PM
Got the rice transplanted to the lower paddy and the upper paddy constructed and ready for direct seeding:


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0005.jpg)


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0019.jpg)

The front group of beds is a green jungle now with a good stand of simpson lettuce hidden in the back of one of the beds

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0015.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 17, 2012, 04:22:54 AM
Elephant Garlic flower

(I let a couple go just because we like the way they look, especially when staked and 4'+ tall

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0005-1.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0009-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on May 17, 2012, 04:55:28 AM
Very cool looking.  I ended up snipping off a bunch of stalks from various onions in my garden yesterday.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: JoeD on May 17, 2012, 06:44:17 AM
I was wondering if you ever water your garlic and/or onion beds?  I have 2 8'x3' raised beds each of onion and garlic, this is my third season growing them and I have not watered them the last 2 years and they grew fine.  This year we have not had much rain so far, everything looks good but am wondering if I should maybe water them a little.  Any thoughts would be great.

And while I'm on the line just want to add that on a personal and spiritual level, seeing your garden photos are both uplifting and encouraging--THANKS for taking the time to continually share.

appreciatingly,
 Joe

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on May 17, 2012, 07:09:54 AM
And while I'm on the line just want to add that on a personal and spiritual level, seeing your garden photos are both uplifting and encouraging--THANKS for taking the time to continually share.

I agree wholeheartedly. I think that a garden that works not only in form and function, but also in aesthetics adds to well being beyond what nutrition can provide. Maybe it's the artist in me though.  ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on May 17, 2012, 10:59:35 AM
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/DSC_0005crp.jpg)
Sci-fy writers couldn't create a cooler looking creature.  Freakin' awesome pic!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 17, 2012, 03:53:22 PM
Thanks guys.   

(I'll post the ultimate bug macro photo site if i can find it again, makes the df pics look like polaroids)

Garlic watering:

Generally speaking, assuming adequately draining soil ie no rot
more water =
+ large bulbs
- less consistent skins

so- bigger bulbs with potentially less storage life do to the spotty "wrapping"

This is more important while in the latter stages of bulbing. The garlic really doesn't start bulbing much here in GA until early april and is pretty much done by the end of may.

So I won't water any more (in fact i have already closed the drip line to the main garlic bed) from here in order to let the bulbs (hopefully) develop better skin.  Spot checking so far suggests everything is going to be bigger this year. I give some credit to the well irrigation this season but I also believe that these being 2nd and 3rd generation saved "seed" of the biggest cloves from the biggest bulbs has had a great influence

clear as mud eh?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: JoeD on May 17, 2012, 05:25:48 PM
Great info and just what I was looking for.  I think I'll leave them be for now since the last couple of seasons my bulbs were very clean skinned and lasted well through the winter.  I usually order my garlic every year but based on your size increases, I'll save some of my bigger bulbs for re-planting in the fall.  Hopefully I'll see the same results.

Again, thanks for everything!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: BassManNate on May 18, 2012, 08:36:38 PM
Your garden is a huge inspiration to me. I had just been gardening in a small partly shaded bed that was here when I bought the house. However, I just finished putting in my second bed/terrace this afternoon. I will start using the original bed for herbs and such and use my new beds for veggies/fruit.

And I planted music garlic last fall. Stuff looks fantastic. I had never had garlic greens so I figured I would try some after reading about your green garlic. Amazing stuff! If I had planted more than 1/2 lb. I might have been tempted to dig some up and take it inside to make a salad with!

Anyway, keep it up! My wife will never let me take it this far (something about leaving some space for the offspring to play) but I always love reading you thread!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 19, 2012, 05:49:55 AM
JoeD & BMN

I garden selfishly for the benefit of me and my family but I share hoping that others can learn from both my successes and failures.  Knowing that you and others might be positively influenced by these threads is both humbling and motivating to do more.  In my 4th season of this I'm just now beginning to really get the big picture of what we are capable of producing in our little space.   S

So, take step and try new things at every opportunity- what can go wrong? If it doesn't work you aren't out anything really but you certainly will be more prepared for the next attempts.  If it does work out, besides having provided something delicious and nutritious for yourself, you will continue amaze yourself as to what you can do with minimal ongoing resources.
+1 for each of you for pushing forward
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 19, 2012, 08:57:02 PM
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0092.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0032.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 21, 2012, 11:42:57 AM
A surprise, 90% of the garlic looked ready so all needed to be pulled yesterday; ate up my day.

But damn does my back yard smell goooooood now.....

All tied tagged and ready to hang up under the porch roof again this year

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0020sml.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 24, 2012, 08:19:43 PM
Two blackberries and an apple:


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0018.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on May 24, 2012, 09:11:17 PM
Two blackberries and an apple:

I see what you did there...  ;D

The frog in that pic up there is a beast!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on May 24, 2012, 09:32:02 PM
I so don't know how I missed the rice and butterflies. I have a THING for butterflies, dragonflies and moose (what a combo hey?).

What variety of rice are you growing?

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on May 24, 2012, 10:01:34 PM
I so don't know how I missed the rice and butterflies. I have a THING for butterflies, dragonflies and moose (what a combo hey?).

What variety of rice are you growing?

Cedar

Nico Picks up Cedar's arm and moves the needle to another section of the record, cause she's skipping.  ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 25, 2012, 04:20:45 AM
I so don't know how I missed the rice and butterflies. I have a THING for butterflies, dragonflies and moose (what a combo hey?).

What variety of rice are you growing?

Cedar

pay no attention to Nico, you been busy lol


Koshihikari - the sweet high gluten sticky sushi rice.
Koshihikari - the sweet high gluten sticky sushi rice.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 25, 2012, 04:24:54 AM
I see what you did there...  ;D

The frog in that pic up there is a beast!

That little beast isn't an inch long

More here: http://cohutt.com/2012/05/20/babytreefrogpictureday/
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 26, 2012, 07:04:37 PM
Three young mockingbirds are loitering in the very back of my yard; they have left the nest but haven't moved on yet.  The good news is that they are starting to really spar and squabble, so it won't be long before a couple of them move on. 

These guys are into everything; they just loiter and mess with other birds and each other while trying to break the code of my bird netting.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0017-1.gif)

Skinny little troublemakers:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0019-2.gif)


So far so good, I enjoyed a nice stack of blackberries this morning that had not been pecked apart:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0036-2.gif)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 27, 2012, 05:49:52 PM
Scratch pizza night, baked @475 convection blistering hot tiles

The dough is roughly 1/4-1/3 whole wheat flour with the balance split between bread flour and basic unbleached all purpose.  I let the leven ferment and bubble for about 30 hours @ room temperature then blended in the additional flour and water (+ salt).  I formed the pizza tossing the dough by hand and made a nice mess, brushed with EV olive oil when it was on the peel, then added the toppings below.

mrs cohutt's : From the garden Pesto, sun dried tomatoes, thinly sliced sweet red onion, mozzarella & fresh grated parmesan

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/DSC_0002.gif)

Mine: A little more olive oil, the same two cheeses, the other half of the sweet onion. skimmed with a cube of homemade tomato paste
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/DSC_0004b.gif)

My house smells goooood right now.

I've been experimenting with this and have finally gotten the dough close to being right- the bottom is about the right amount of  crunch and it has a nice "chew" factor to it.  The toal baking time is about 8 minutes I believe;  Mrs c's could have spent 1 more minute in the oven imho but she didn't mind.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on May 27, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
Cohutt, that pizza looks soooooo tasty!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 27, 2012, 06:27:19 PM
I'll have to say they were quite tasty  :)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on May 27, 2012, 07:10:42 PM
Wow, that does look good.  Of course I'm still three or four weeks away from my first salad of the year out of my garden, so I'm jealous of all such creations. ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 27, 2012, 07:27:50 PM
Lol salad season is roughly mid september to late may here.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on May 27, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
Koshihikari - the sweet high gluten sticky sushi rice.
Koshihikari - the sweet high gluten sticky sushi rice.

Thank You!
Thank You!

Maybe I can get some seed from you one day?

Cedar

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 27, 2012, 08:45:44 PM
Thank You!
Thank You!

Maybe I can get some seed from you one day?

Cedar



Jes.


it has really taken off and is sending up multiple stalks now.

The "soil" has some composted manure in it and seems to really encourage this witches brew of bubbles, algae and floating perlite from the mix I started the plugs in

I forgot I had been messing with the manual setting on my camera and the exposure is a little "dramatic", but you can tell sort of what os going on regardless



(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0026g.gif)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 27, 2012, 08:48:10 PM
Another one from a couple days earlier:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0005-3.gif)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on May 27, 2012, 09:12:51 PM
When I was looking into buying 160 acres up north, it had a 30 acre lake on it. I was going to put wild rice on it (not a true rice), but if it acts anything like other rice, it has 30% shatter, so you pretty much do not have to ever replace your seed each year. This is why I am uber curious how you do on this project.

I have never seen a Mockingbird before.. and glad you got your blackberries and pizza.

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 28, 2012, 04:34:20 AM
Mockingbirds are everywhere here; they are thrasher family (with smaller catbird and larger brown thrasher here too).  The bird in the picture isn't completely mature yet, he looks like he's an adolescent from the first hatch this year.  They fill out and are quite so gangly. 

Their cousins the catbirds are great birds to have around- the pairs here have become accustomed to me being out there and go about their daily business without concern.  They are curious and will land on the tomato cages next to me and check out what I'm doing.  Most birds don't like eye contact when close but these guys seem to respond to a greeting from me.

I caught this catbird on everyone's favorite bathing rock in the pond a couple weeks ago (the mister is spraying in front of it hence the foggy look):

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/catbirdbath/DSC_0010.jpg)

And a slideshow with more:

(http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/catbirdbath/th_DSC_0010.jpg) (http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/catbirdbath/?action=view&current=81b5d1a2.pbw)

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: not important on May 28, 2012, 06:35:25 AM
*looks on with awe and a touch of jealousy*

You've got a great setup going on, cohutt.  Nice!!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 28, 2012, 07:21:13 AM
Thanks Higgy if you ever make it over here to Floyd county you are welcome to stop in.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 28, 2012, 07:23:30 AM
tiny insect (beetle?) of some sort, maybe 1/4" long, enjoying a feast of creamy looking pollen from a parsley flower:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0007-2.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on May 28, 2012, 08:03:02 AM
You're just a macro-snappin' fool.

Ok, I'll admit, I just posted that because it sounded so funny in my head.

Love the rice experiment.  So cool to see something like that.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on May 28, 2012, 10:44:28 AM

LOL, my foolishness extends well beyond macro snappin, just ask mrs cohutt.

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: not important on May 30, 2012, 06:31:50 AM
Thanks Higgy if you ever make it over here to Floyd county you are welcome to stop in.

Cool, I've got a grandmother in Jasper I go see from time to time so you aren't all that far from there.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on May 30, 2012, 09:03:09 AM
I love taking macro photos, especially insects.  They are so interesting.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 02, 2012, 07:54:57 AM
quick update:

Toads have found the pond I built for them, it only took a couple of months.  Amazing:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0133.jpg)

Rice is tall enough to wave in the breeze a little, going well:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0008-1.jpg)

Everything else is coming along, will post some other little garden side projects/experiments shortly

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: not important on June 02, 2012, 08:28:32 AM
Nice! I have a hard plastic wading pool I was thinking of repurposing as either a pond similar to yours or as a bog garden. You think it would be better to excavate and inset the pool into the hole for insulation or would placing it on level ground and doing a berm or something all around it be okay?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 03, 2012, 07:11:56 AM
Nice! I have a hard plastic wading pool I was thinking of repurposing as either a pond similar to yours or as a bog garden. You think it would be better to excavate and inset the pool into the hole for insulation or would placing it on level ground and doing a berm or something all around it be okay?

I think ground level would be more likely to be found.  be sure to have some means (ie a ramp or stack or rocks or?) for exiting the water. they can't climb back out if there is any sort of a lip above the water level.   You might even install it at an angle so that there is a low side where the water level is always "overflowing".
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 03, 2012, 07:19:32 AM
The toad condo i installed when I was finishing the area around the pond seems to have attracted an occupant.  It is a large flat rock resting on a buried foundation of brick on end. The floor is a couple inches of sand and chopped leaves/loose soil for easy digging; there are 3 low entrances including the escape route into the ferns of the bog garden to the right in the 1st pic:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/060212_0028.jpg)

Other side, the pond is immediately to the left of this picture

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/060212_0026.jpg)

close up of the same shows somebody has been digging inside and had perhaps tracked a little sand out upon exiting:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/060212_0027.jpg)

I know this is how it is supposed to work but I am still stunned when I discover it actually does....

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on June 03, 2012, 03:17:03 PM
Toad Hall looks awesome, cohutt.

I'm currently trying to figure out if I want to build a pond now.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 03, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
Toad Hall looks awesome, cohutt.

I'm currently trying to figure out if I want to build a pond now.

Well, you have certainly established that you are quite capable of excavating and moving dirt.  :)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on June 03, 2012, 05:58:39 PM
Yep, I have to agree, seeing your water features make me think about adding one of my own.  I'd like to set up a series of smaller ponds for water purification so I can use my grey water safely.  The wife has already donated a 150 gallon stock tank to the cause, so it's a matter of figuring out how to implement the installation that's the only real challenge.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 11, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
The raspberries have gone wild in their first year; I had no idea what to expect and actually lowered the cross pieces and wired.

Mistake lol....

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0018-2.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0016-2.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0017-2.jpg)

I clipped the ends of the main canes to promote side branching and it really seems to work.

The kale from last fall grows faster than we can consume and give it away.  This is what will sustain us if the SHTF - it grows all 4 seasons here and we've picked on all of this the whole time, including topping whole plants.  It just gets p'd off and grows back.   While it isn't as "sweet" as it was in the winter it is still great for soups and simmering

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0002-1.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0001-3.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on June 11, 2012, 07:18:44 PM
Wow!!  Looks like that kale is trying to start the SHTF event as it tries to take over the world. 

I haven't put up my trellis for the raspberries or grapes yet.  I really need to get off my butt to get it done.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 11, 2012, 08:05:21 PM
It's about as nutrition rich as anything out there too.


And...

Rice experiment taking off too

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120611_0003.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on June 11, 2012, 08:55:00 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: not important on June 12, 2012, 08:00:09 AM
Wow!  I'll have to look into the kale.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on June 12, 2012, 08:06:41 AM
So, what kind of blackberries are those you are showing on your blog?  They look great.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 12, 2012, 03:57:55 PM
So, what kind of blackberries are those you are showing on your blog?  They look great.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/20120611_0002.jpg)

Not sure actually.  My assistant's (at work) parents still own a classic country "seed and feed" store in the next county.  He got the Heritage raspberries and these blackberries at the same wholesale nursery down in middle Georgia.   
The blackberries weren't labeled, they were just described as a popular "thornless trailing" type.  I have two plants and they train 5 ft in each direction and 5 feet up on wire strung between two poles (no "T").

I smashed up the handful in the pic and stirred up the goo into vanilla ice cream I had let soften a little.

And GAWD it were good too. ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on June 18, 2012, 09:55:30 PM
I think I just drooled on my shirt.

Hope that is actually a frog under that rock and not a snake.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 19, 2012, 05:21:26 AM
I think I just drooled on my shirt.

Hope that is actually a frog under that rock and not a snake.

lol, the tadpoles in the pond suggest it really is a toad. ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 19, 2012, 05:30:06 AM
I've been busy with family things as well as sorting and doing the final inspection of the garlic harvest as well as the onions and shallots that have been pulled here recently.

Last night I made some roasted vegetable stock for future soup experiments, mostly (exception: celery) from my garden.

Pre-roast:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120619_0001.jpg)

In process:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120619_0004.jpg)

Done:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120619_0007.jpg)

The steps are here on the blog; overall I think it was a good first effort.

http://cohutt.com/2012/06/19/vegestock/ (http://cohutt.com/2012/06/19/vegestock/)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 20, 2012, 04:53:20 PM
Garlic is all trimmed and ready for final sort and storage.  In the bag, most of the sweet onions are cured off and trimmed for consuming over the balance of summer (ie when the tomato train gets rolling in earnest).

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120619_0014.jpg)

About half the shallots are pulled and drying on the garden cart in the shade (those to the right are the earlier of the "regular" onions)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120619_0002.jpg)

The remaining shallots are some of the largest ones, example below:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120619_0005.jpg)



Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: average_joe on June 26, 2012, 07:49:52 PM
Holy Crap Cohut!!!! Get down with your bad self!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: rhiannon.douglas on June 26, 2012, 08:39:20 PM
That's so much garlic! Intensely jealous of you right now dude :)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 26, 2012, 08:51:32 PM
lol it always seems like too little when I'm planting.

same with shallots this year. I just keep harvesting them and more are left. 

Another pile drying on a rack in the lawnmower and ladder shed

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0002-2.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Joe in TN on June 27, 2012, 05:50:25 PM
When do you plant your garlic and how many months do you let it grow?  Semper Fi,

Joe
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 27, 2012, 08:10:25 PM
I have planted it anytime from late september up to thanksgiving and it is usually ready to harvest in early June.   This year the leaves started turning brown in early May and I pulled it early.

It is about the easiest and most reliable thing anyone can grow.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on June 28, 2012, 08:27:37 PM
Holy cow it is hot here - this is from 830 this evening.


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/HellGAUSA.jpg)

heh

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120627_0002.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: not important on July 01, 2012, 07:53:47 AM
Yeah, I've got a friend that went to visit family in Texas and is flaunting the more-bearable-temps of low 90s out there.  I'm about to die in this heat.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on July 02, 2012, 08:29:11 PM
At least you are getting really low at night!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 05, 2012, 06:35:31 PM
Everything made it through the last few days pretty well all considered.  Drip irrigation is the ticket (and an irrigation source of course.)

Finally got a good rain just now- 30 minutes of deluge we badly needed.

The big harvest season is starting to really crank up- 25-30 tomatoes a day, squash and jalapenos.

These patty pan squash are much tastier than standard yellow summer squash imho.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120703_0010.jpg)

Cop one up then add a little of everything else available fresh made for a delicious saute; the picture doesn't do the color justice....

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120703_0015.jpg)

I'm also really liking the dark "cherokee purple" tomatoes- rich flavor, more so than other heirlooms I have tried.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on July 05, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
That looks tasty!

How many tomato plants do you have to produce so much?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 05, 2012, 08:43:53 PM
That looks tasty!

How many tomato plants do you have to produce so much?

I can't remember exactly off the top of my head, but somewhere in the 30-35range.  I had 40 one year, which was more than needed really. This year I have 4 varieties, in order of ranking  -  Roma VF (probably more than half) ,  Cherokee Purple, Brandywine and  Tommie Toe.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 05, 2012, 08:55:16 PM
Nico,

To clarify,  Roma VF is extremely productive; being determinate it provides a huge flush of tomatoes within a relatively short window. The first wave just started maturing in earnest  in the last week or so.  There are better tasting romas but for a reliable sauce tomato it it hard to beat RVF>

Behind my chair here on the sun porch tonight:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120705_0003.jpg)

I've done a small batch of maybe 30-40 that went into tomato bisque for the freezer and have been putting off the next big (bigger) batch until this weekend.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on July 05, 2012, 09:10:41 PM
OK, thanks for the information, cohutt, I appreciate it!

I got rooked by a guy at the farmer's market this year. I bought about a third of my tomato plants off of him and I came to find out that half of what I thought were Amish Paste and Black Krim were actually some kind of friggin' cherry tomatoes. They aren't bad and have produced quite a lot, but I was hoping to have a lot to can and make fermented salsa with rather than a lot of salad fillers. I'm such a noob.

All of the Roma, Brandywine, and Purple Cherokee tomatoes that I got from the local organic nursery on the other hand appear to be on the up and up. If my seed starts fail again next year at least I know who I can deal with.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 05, 2012, 09:50:25 PM
The cherries (Tommie Toes are the type I have, 100% volunteer from the initial seeds planted back in 2010) are pretty good cut in half and roasted with a little olive oil and salt. Also, same way but left overnight in oven on lowest heat setting (200-225?) they make a pretty good roma substitute for "sun dried" type tomato halves. I then freeze and use if soups and on pizzas as needed. It really intensifies the tomato flavor.

Hare of C makes fireballs? or something like that, which are green and/or red cherry tomatoes pickled with jalapenos I think.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on July 06, 2012, 06:16:12 AM
I made some of Hare's fireballs.  They were good, but too hot for the family, and I'm not a big pickle eater, so won't be making them very often.

So, this tomato bisque you mention.  How do you make it?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on July 06, 2012, 09:03:54 AM
Jealous of your rain... :'(
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 06, 2012, 07:26:58 PM
Jealous of your rain... :'(
I hear you.
The ~ 1.5 inches in the last two evenings brought the total since late april to maybe 4 inches.   This is about 1/4 of what is normal iirc.
Also the incredible heat has mad eit all worse.

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 06, 2012, 07:31:37 PM
I made some of Hare's fireballs.  They were good, but too hot for the family, and I'm not a big pickle eater, so won't be making them very often.

So, this tomato bisque you mention.  How do you make it?


I see someone has bumped the fireball making thread.

The bisque is basically a small mild roux with stock added, the the tomato puree then finally half and half or cream.  I made two batches winging it and writing down the ingredients but i haven't reconciled them and put the final recipe in the file. I'll look at it a post this weekend sometime (assuming the notes are somewhere other than the garbage that went to the dump this morning).

It is good hot, warm or cold straight from the fridge and there are as many variations are there are cooks.  But mine is the best, just like everyone else's :)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 06, 2012, 07:35:20 PM
Mrs cohutt is watching "A Time to Kill" in the next room as I am posting this enhanced evidential photo.

Coincidence or subliminal message?

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120704_0005.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on July 06, 2012, 08:32:46 PM
Tell me that is not a tomato. Please tell me he is eating an orange that you put out just for him!!!!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 06, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
That's a Roma VF, viciously plucked from the bush and brazenly devoured for all to see.

I think he was taunting me.

(http://rlv.zcache.com/dead_squirrel_tshirt-p235002120852062543en80p_152.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on July 06, 2012, 09:09:05 PM
Yep time to set up a rat trap on the fence post laced with a slice of roma 8)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on July 07, 2012, 06:33:14 AM
That squirrely tomato thief MF'er!

I swear with all of the problems with fuzzy pests that others and myself am having is making me want to build a giant greenhouse over my back yard.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on July 07, 2012, 08:06:16 AM
I swear with all of the problems with fuzzy pests that others and myself am having is making me want to build a giant greenhouse over my back yard.
Yep, I can see it now...
(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/090507/GAL-09May07-1995/media/PHO-09May07-161020.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 07, 2012, 10:33:23 AM
heh don't laugh, I have structures over my blueberries and blackberries with commercial bird netting pulled over them.

You do what you have to do.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on July 07, 2012, 04:31:37 PM
heh don't laugh, I have structures over my blueberries and blackberries with commercial bird netting pulled over them.

You do what you have to do.
I have something similar planned after the magpies discovered my strawberries in June.  I'm going to make some row hoops to run netting over when they're getting close to producing again. (I have four different kinds of strawberries; June bearing, July-August bearing, Fall bearing and ever bearing).
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 07, 2012, 06:57:30 PM
I have something similar planned after the magpies discovered my strawberries in June.  I'm going to make some row hoops to run netting over when they're getting close to producing again. (I have four different kinds of strawberries; June bearing, July-August bearing, Fall bearing and ever bearing).
Had I known that netting was going to be mandatory I would have taken that into consideration in the layout.
As it is I think I'm going to move one of my blueberry bushes this fall to align better for a hoop tunnel vs the odd shaped geodesic dome (sort of) that I have to freelance now to get the netting up.  Also might get a little more sun on the one that I am moving.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 08, 2012, 08:42:10 PM
Put the roof on the shed this weekend - I had persuaded the contractor taking apart the collapsed metal building nearby to donate a few "seasoned" pieces of galvanized roofing  to the cause a few months back.  The frame for the roof was a challenge since originally it was built to be a "corral" to stow stuff out of sight. Warped posts, tree and branch damage and being generally 1 piece short to cover it all the way to the fence had to be overcome with "field engineering" a one at a time over the last few weeks.  Of course I wasn't ready to put the metal up until we were in the middle of a vicious heat wave.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120708_0002.jpg)


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120708_0003.jpg)

Overall I was pleased with the results- I sure hope mrs cohutt is when she returns tomorrow. ;)

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on July 08, 2012, 08:49:35 PM
Nice work on the shed, cohutt!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 08, 2012, 09:10:44 PM
No arteries severed either. 

:)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on July 09, 2012, 06:04:41 AM
No arteries severed either. 

:)
Always a plus.  Nice work.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 10, 2012, 08:26:13 PM
Fugliest tomato of the year, possibly ever

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/goofy%20stuff/Fugly1.gif)

Edit: Fixed the link I accidentally killed
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on July 10, 2012, 08:30:15 PM
My one and only shot of bigfoot looks like that.  ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: WVMan73 on July 11, 2012, 01:23:28 PM
Isn't it amazing how weird some veggies can look? It almost doesn't even look like a tomato. lol
And as for what you said on your blog, "Note: It was difficult to get it to sit still for the pictures. Should I be concerned?" Naw, just don't turn your back on it. ;)

And Nico, will you please stop telling everyone about that dang picture you took of me???? I told ya I'd get around to shaving my back hair one of these years...  ::)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 11, 2012, 04:37:32 PM
It is the chem trails i bet..... 

;)

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: not important on July 12, 2012, 01:04:54 PM
I actually had to go to your site to see the pic . . . it's not working for me here.  That's a bizarre looking tomato.  A great conversational piece.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 12, 2012, 05:36:04 PM
I actually had to go to your site to see the pic . . . it's not working for me here.  That's a bizarre looking tomato.  A great conversational piece.

I moved the original into a sub folder on photoshop and forgot to fix this one- thanks for pointing it out.

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 12, 2012, 08:20:15 PM
Sometimes food just looks good.

Brandywine and Cherokee Purple ripening with cured and trimmed shallots in front. ( I got a lot more large ones this year as well as plenty of small ones to plant this fall)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120712_0008.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on July 13, 2012, 04:27:32 AM
Looks good.  My shallots are still curing in the car port. 
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 13, 2012, 04:26:10 PM
Looks good.  My shallots are still curing in the car port. 

Eat the fat stemmed ones first, ie the ones that put up a scape, they are much more prone to rot.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: rhiannon.douglas on July 13, 2012, 07:58:57 PM
Looking at those tomatoes is making me impatient for the warmer weather.. So sick of store bought tomatoes
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 13, 2012, 09:02:52 PM
Looking at those tomatoes is making me impatient for the warmer weather.. So sick of store bought tomatoes

I am at peak production right now and have harvested some of the largest I have ever seen, including two brandywines yesterday evening almost 6" across. Until a better picture is taken tomorrow this cell pic my daughter took will stand in:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/gianormousbrandywine.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on July 14, 2012, 07:09:43 AM
It's like the Eye of Sauron looking into my soul!  :D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on July 14, 2012, 07:18:55 AM
Wow, that's an awesome tomato.  We aren't at peak yet, but it's getting there quickly.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on July 15, 2012, 01:15:14 PM
It's like the Eye of Sauron looking into my soul!  :D

 :rofl:
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 15, 2012, 02:10:45 PM
It's like the Eye of Sauron looking into my soul!  :D

LOL only an obsessed gardener of a nerd would have tossed that out.

(Or think it was funny)
Count me as one. 

I was taking pictures of my monster cat yesterday evening; I could hardly  sleep after zooming in on one of his eyes during a photoshop editing review.  It WAS the eye of Sauron.   (I have always known that kitteh was evil lol)

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on July 15, 2012, 05:23:40 PM
Guilty.  ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 15, 2012, 08:32:23 PM
The Koshihikari rice is "flowering" now in the paddy


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120714_0023.jpg)

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on July 16, 2012, 06:30:28 AM
I'm really interested in seeing what happens with the rice paddies. I'd love to know how much rice you produce, what fresh rice tastes like and so on.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: not important on July 16, 2012, 08:57:04 AM
I'm really interested in seeing what happens with the rice paddies. I'd love to know how much rice you produce, what fresh rice tastes like and so on.
Ditto
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 16, 2012, 04:26:54 PM
I'm really interested in seeing what happens with the rice paddies. I'd love to know how much rice you produce, what fresh rice tastes like and so on.



Ditto

Ditto me too
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 16, 2012, 07:37:45 PM
Got some interesting pictures of a cicada Killer Wasp dragging her paralyzed cicada home.  This one was so heavy the wasp couldn't hold altitude to get it all the way back to the burrow. So she climbed up several feet to the porch so she could launch and make it the rest of the way.   It was a lot of work and took a while; she impressed me with her determination to get it done.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Cicada%20Killer%20Action/20120714_0008.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Cicada%20Killer%20Action/20120714_0007.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 17, 2012, 07:20:34 PM
the two biggest tomatoes of the  year so far, 26 ounces each.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120714_0034.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 17, 2012, 08:15:05 PM
Part of dinner last night; I swear this is the peak garden nirvana for mrs cohutt:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120716_0006.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on July 18, 2012, 10:54:36 AM
Awesome picks Cohutt!

When are you going to start your Fall plantings? Stuff like Collards, Broccoli, cabbage and whatnot?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on July 18, 2012, 11:27:17 AM
Wasp picture simply rocks.  Too cool.  That's the first picture I've ever seen of a zombie being created.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 18, 2012, 04:14:15 PM
Awesome picks Cohutt!

When are you going to start your Fall plantings? Stuff like Collards, Broccoli, cabbage and whatnot?

I direct seeded rutabagas last week.  Gonna direct seed some kohlrhabi or however you spell it in mid august.  cabbage I'll prolly buy some starts and but also start some seeds in the basement when i get back from vacation next weekend.  Favas direct seed in late august. more kale going in august 1. lettuce direct seed august 1 with shade cloth i think
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 18, 2012, 04:14:52 PM
Wasp picture simply rocks.  Too cool.  That's the first picture I've ever seen of a zombie being created.

I love my summer colony of cicada killers- they entertain the hell out of me
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 19, 2012, 08:32:03 PM
Hey Cedar...... 


Of the 6 Sultan's Golden Crescent seeds you sent, 2 germinated and are up the bamboo and wire "pole".   

I was happy to find the vines flowering a few days ago and today I spotted a bead for the first time.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0083.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 19, 2012, 08:35:24 PM
An "overview"

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0313.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: WVMan73 on July 19, 2012, 09:41:14 PM
Cohutt, that picture right there shows just how much difference a few years can make. Look at that picture compaired to the first pictures you posted when you started this transformation of your backyard and it really shows the work you've done! It's simply beautiful! Thanks for showing that pic!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 20, 2012, 04:35:22 AM
Cohutt, that picture right there shows just how much difference a few years can make. Look at that picture compaired to the first pictures you posted when you started this transformation of your backyard and it really shows the work you've done! It's simply beautiful! Thanks for showing that pic!

Thanks wvman.

LOL there is a lot of time that didn't get wasted watching tv or being generally unproductive in that picture
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on July 20, 2012, 06:18:59 AM
That's a beautiful backyard to be proud of, cohutt!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: lettuceman on July 20, 2012, 06:30:55 AM
Lookin' good cohutt. :)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: fritz_monroe on July 20, 2012, 07:46:12 AM
Awesome view of the backyard. 
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on July 20, 2012, 02:04:10 PM
Now I need to block that picture.  If my wife sees how nice a garden can look, I'll never be allowed to touch a hoe again. ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Roswell on July 20, 2012, 03:03:37 PM
You're backyard is looking awesome! It is amazing how much you have accomplished since I first visited.  Time for me to get off my butt and get to work. Damn you for lighting a fire under my ass.  :P

Now I need to block that picture.  If my wife sees how nice a garden can look, I'll never be allowed to touch a hoe again. ;)

My wife won't let me touch hoes either.  :rofl:
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 20, 2012, 04:34:38 PM
Thank you all! 

Ros you beat me to the punchline lol
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: apollyon on July 21, 2012, 08:09:29 PM
Garden looks GREAT, cohutt! I may have more room, but you're definitely using yours better! :)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 24, 2012, 06:00:03 AM
Garden looks GREAT, cohutt! I may have more room, but you're definitely using yours better! :)

Thanks.  I feel like I've wasted space if I can walk between my beds this time of year. ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 24, 2012, 06:03:04 AM
Rice continues to form heads - pretty uniform across the paddy.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0188.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0190.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 28, 2012, 06:13:41 PM
Went on vacation for a week - had someone from my office picking in exchange for feeding cat -

She raved about how much they harvested etc etc , she shared with the office and is now on the path.  She and her husband purchased a half share in a local csa and have been reveling in the goodness of fresh organic produce; this blew them away.   Nice to share.

The bad news is the pickle worms are back this year and have destroyed every squash on the vine; I'm going to pull the plants to break the cycle and will settle instead for eating the volunteer loofah gourds when they are small. 

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on July 28, 2012, 07:52:09 PM
It's cool that those folks were so into the fresh produce that they joined a CSA.

Sorry to hear about the pickle worms though.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on July 29, 2012, 07:09:14 AM
It's cool that those folks were so into the fresh produce that they joined a CSA.

Sorry to hear about the pickle worms though.
She has so many food allergies they were pretty much forced to try and find fresh & unprocessed sources of food to experiment with.  Their first pickup fro the CSA was in late May and I'd been sharing recipes for cabbages, kale and other "new" to them veggies; they were fired up to "play farmer" for a week as they are currently renting and don't have space for their own garden.  I think they'll add a garden spot to the "must have" list when they start looking for houses later.

Last year the squash vine borers killed the squash and the pickle works came afterwards (into the cucumbers).  Neither bothered the gourd vines or fruit at all, so I'm happy I have a "back up" squash source lol.....

Funny, when I was looking up info on the gourds a couple years ago I learned that they are mainly grown for food vs the western "scrubber" sponge use.  We tested a couple last year and liked them, but let most mature.

The volunteers that sprouted last Feb from the seeds I spilled into the stack of rocks (which are now placed as stepping stones) held on.  Once the trees blocking the morning sun fell and the weather got really hot they took off.   They root at every leaf node that is in contact with the ground, so I now have a massive matrix of gourd ground cover that I have to trim to keep in check:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/Back/DSC_0227.jpg)

The picture is from 10 days ago; when i returned from a family vacation yesterday I had to cut invaders out of the blackberries, rice, tomatoes etc - I have allowed a monster to be created so I might as well enjoy some harvest from it (them?)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 01, 2012, 05:31:23 PM
Looks like I'm going to have to learn how to thresh rice later this month:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_00022.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_00032.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on August 01, 2012, 05:41:09 PM
That is too cool!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on August 01, 2012, 08:08:26 PM
Soooo cool. 

I know you said you were a bit concerned about your wife's thoughts when you first put in the paddy.  What is she saying now?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 01, 2012, 08:55:20 PM
rolls her eyes but thinks it is cool without admitting it too loudly
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 02, 2012, 08:04:45 PM
Three tomato harvest days like this one since I returned from vacation 6 days ago:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_00051.jpg)

The Romas have been kicking it for 3 or 4 weeks now and have another couple to go before the peak crop is finished. I have been canning and freezing various tomato based sauces and soups and still have 10 gallons or so of romas to do tomorrow before another harvest day on Saturday.

I made and am canning an uber-herb laced pasta sauce tonight; it will amount to a 10 or 11 quart equivalent  when all the pint and half pint jars are done.
Tomorrow I'll make a soup with the 5 or 6 gallons of Romas that got roasted tonight.

Drip irrigation is the way to go; everything is big and healthy and productive.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on August 02, 2012, 08:08:29 PM
Wow, that's incredible, cohutt! Nice work!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 03, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
Thanks Nico, "Have well, will grow", that's my new motto. ;)





Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 07, 2012, 10:03:27 PM
The normal stuff is keeping me busy- Romas and peppers and beans - but  some of the rice is ready for harvest

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120807_0015.jpg)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120807_0014.jpg)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120806_0043.jpg)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120806_0040.jpg)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120806_0037-1.jpg)

I cut the main paddy tonight and it is drying in Lizzies for 48 hours before threshing.  More to follow.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on August 07, 2012, 11:19:37 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on August 08, 2012, 07:39:08 AM
Gah, I didn't even think about threshing the rice.

Following along here as well...
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on August 08, 2012, 08:06:29 AM
If cohutt is true to form, he'll bring out his team of ninjas right about now and they'll beat the bejesus (or would it be bebuddha in this case?) out of the rice with their nunchucks.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 08, 2012, 06:31:13 PM
LOL I was thinking of having my oxen tread over it a few times as some remote third world villages do, but then I remembered I have no oxen.

Actually threshing shouldn't be too difficult (famous last words ha).

Couldn't resist some rice paddy hat* pictures since about 50 people suggested it.


*They didn't know I actually have one from Vietnam. 

For real:

(http://cohutt.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/20120807_0024.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on August 08, 2012, 06:56:35 PM
Ha!  ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on August 08, 2012, 09:16:16 PM
Alright, I'm thoroughly impressed.  You are definitely the most prepared prepper I've ever met.  I don't know one other prepper that actually has his own rice threshing hat. ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 09, 2012, 09:42:18 PM
I had a tiny patch of carrots in a gap between some of the Roma plants- I pretty much forgot about it until i started pulling spent plants yesterday.

A little woody but good for soups and stock flavoring perhaps. I plan to slice , blanch and freeze

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120809_0001.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on August 10, 2012, 08:35:00 AM
Someday I hope to have a garden as large, cohutt. A garden so large that I get surprises because I forgot about something I planted.  ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on August 10, 2012, 09:36:24 AM
Someday I hope to have a garden as large, cohutt. A garden so large that I get surprises because I forgot about something I planted.  ;D
The older you get, the smaller the garden needs to be.  ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 10, 2012, 07:21:43 PM
Ha.

Valid point, not sure if the carrots were from age or scale
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 14, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
The last or near last of the Romas are kicking my arse.

Soup, dried, frozen, sauce, you name it I'm making it almost every evening.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0074.jpg)

We've gotten a bunch of rain over the last few days and my garden time has been cut substantially because of it.  I need a full weekend of sunshine to pull tomato and bean plants and get more falls stuff in the dirt, or at least get the dirt ready.   I've got some rutabega up as well as some kohlrabi; other than that nada and nada bit of planning done.   (Shame) 

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on August 14, 2012, 08:56:09 PM
That is awesome! I've got about as much as what you have in those three pans in the freezer waiting to can.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 21, 2012, 07:40:58 PM
The mega basil bed

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120821_0001.jpg)


The same with a cohutt added for scale; this year's basil has gone freak giant on me (not a complaint). 

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120821_0005.jpg)

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on August 21, 2012, 08:09:12 PM
* Cedar dreams of pesto*!!!!

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 21, 2012, 08:16:58 PM
* Cedar dreams of pesto*!!!!



I wanted to take a picture before the pesto required mauling that these will get over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on August 22, 2012, 05:59:05 AM
I'm gonna show my little basil plant those pics. It will be shamed.  ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 22, 2012, 08:59:37 PM
Steady water is the ticket i believe. The herbs are on a 2x per day drip cycle but are in a soil mix that drains very well.

Bread night tonight

fresh ciabatta from this recipe: http://leitesculinaria.com/79221/recipes-ciabatta.html

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120822_0004.jpg)

3 into the freezer and one into the belly over the next 48 hours

good recipe- sliced ciabatta, then topped with: 2pt butter, 1 pt mayo, chopped garlic, chopped basil, fresh Parmesan  roast on grill or in oven for just a few minutes.

dayam

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120819_0008.jpg)

 
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Cedar on August 22, 2012, 09:05:35 PM
Ok.. I was hungry before reading this.. now I am ravenous. THANKS!! ;)

Cedar
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 27, 2012, 05:08:16 AM
I "gave" a local chef some Thai basil.  Most appreciative, wanted to pay, I said we'd work something out next time. 

Apparently there would be a market for this sort of thing here, even in season.  He indicated that fresh cut/ same hour delivery @ 2:45  for that night's menu would demand a premium lol.   He had specifically asked for lots of blooms (for garnish/presentation) the previous day when I took him a sample.   

I told him I had about 8 or 9 more of these:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120823_0005.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 28, 2012, 07:04:57 PM
A sweet potato curing discussion is going on in another thread next door, but I wanted to post my inital harvest sampling.

10 days ago I pulled a couple of mediumly smallish Varamans for sampling and cured in the warm humid air of my back porch.

Tonight we sampled one, briefly roasted in the oven with a little Rosemary, oil and salt.

Good stuff.  The sacrificial tuber in process:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120828_0001.jpg)

Yesterday I went out and poked around in the same "hole" and pulled another one out.

It was a "hoss" as they say:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120828_0003.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: LvsChant on August 29, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
omg... those sweet potatoes look wonderful. Roasted with a bit of butter and salt... yum.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on August 30, 2012, 04:44:16 PM
These are "Vardaman" and "Porto Rico", two "bush" types that don't sprawl as much.

Ha.   I would hate to see the "vine" ones in my busy backyard....

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120829_0008.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120829_0007.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120829_0006.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: LvsChant on September 02, 2012, 08:31:22 AM
It's settled... we definitely want to try sweet potatoes out in the new garden.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on September 02, 2012, 10:19:00 PM
It's settled... we definitely want to try sweet potatoes out in the new garden.

If nothing else they will help keep the weeds down lol
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on September 03, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
Finally got around to building some garlic & onion storage trays today- I came up with the idea and bought materials in july but sort of never got around it until this evening.

The idea was for long and narrow open "net" bottomed single or double layer storage bins that would stack 2, 3 or 4 high without cutting off ventilation.  I also wanted them narrow enough to go on the wall in my basement stairwell using cheap metal shelf brackets.  1 ft is pushing it but i think we will be able to get by ok.

I used cheap white wood from Home depot and the 1/2" plastic "fencing" or whatever it is.  Exterior dimensions 12"x36".

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120903_0002.jpg)

bottom of one- tension held by nailed cross braces and staples

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120903_0003.jpg)


The offset cross braces and top carrying handle keep an air slot between the individual boxes as well as around the base of the bottom one if sitting on a solid surface.

And damn I had forgotten how big some of my softneck garlic heads were this season- soon time to put some back in the ground. :)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120903_0001.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on September 03, 2012, 09:18:07 PM
Nice work on those storage trays, cohutt, and cool design!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on September 12, 2012, 05:06:29 AM
September pepper explosion has started

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120911_0013.jpg)

So much that one of the caged jalapenos sheared a branch

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120911_0007.jpg)

As the leeks fatten up and get taller I add another level to their bed and fill with compost/mulch/soil.  this extends the blanched white part up the stalk and increases yield per leek.  They were transplanted to the current beds when they were not quite pencil thick and were planted "up to their necks" for the same reason....

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120907_0006.jpg)


Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on September 12, 2012, 05:58:35 AM
Those peppers and leaks look good!

I didn't know that you could blanch leaks like that. Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on September 12, 2012, 08:42:56 PM
Those peppers and leaks look good!

I didn't know that you could blanch leaks like that. Thanks for the info!

I start them in loose vermiculite in the spring, transplant the sprouts into a window box type pot of loose potting soil
once they are getting to be almost pencil thick i dump the whole pot and separate them. At this point they are maybe 8-10" and very floppy.
I take these and use a dibble or a hori-hori garden knife to plant as deep as i can, basically up to their necks, where just the tips are above ground.
They are slow growers for a while. When they start getting some body to them and have another 3-4 inches of good stem above ground (before the leaves branch out) I put up the makeshift second box and raise the ground level again.

This worked well last year- I harvested plenty of these over the course of the winter last year - YUM

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012/2eb5cde0.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on September 12, 2012, 10:00:15 PM
What kind of conditions do your sweet potatoes do best in?  Last year I started 36, got one plant to grow and the resulting sweet potato was the size of my thumb.  I'm wondering if it was too wet, dry, hot, cold, windy, shady, sunny, or what.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on September 13, 2012, 04:40:54 AM
Sounds like you sprouted your own slips from a grocery store sweet potato? 
I ordered a couple dozen slips from Steele http://www.sweetpotatoplant.com/ .  I figured I had such issues with potatoes and rot I'd just assume start with clean disease free plants my first year. 

Bottom line is they like heat and sun, sun and heat.   And if it is hot that's a big plus too.

Loose soil ridged up with the plants a foot apart in a row is what I read and how I did it. I watered carefully and mulched with straw initially until the plants started growing well. Once it got warm here they took off- the leaves shade everything out fully so in effect they are self mulching and this is why they can take the heat so well. 

In your case you might check out some of the shorter season varieties- the range of maturity runs from 80-90 days up to 120.  Also, preheating the soil with black plastic mulch is done in cooler climates to help get off to a good start.

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on September 13, 2012, 05:54:59 AM
I started with slips from a nursery.  Several started growing, some got nailed by deer, but the majority just failed to thrive.  I suspect too dry of soil and not enough heat in the ground played the biggest roles.  Meh, I'll see if I feel up for another experiment in the spring or not.  In either case, I appreciate the tip on the black plastic.  That could definitely help since my starts off very cold.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on September 22, 2012, 06:03:39 AM
Some stuff going on out back lately......... 

Bugs, escaped gourds, giant okra, wild basil, jalapenos and sweet potatoes  ;)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120921_0011c_zps505d36f7.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120914_0004c2_zps9fea8ef4.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120919_0019_zps21a926bf.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120919_0015_zps558bec6e.jpg)

This is a good life that has been greatly expanded and opened up for me due to TSP and you guys. Thank you.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120919_0007_zps0cb60722.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120919_0001_zps4aa42621.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120914_0003_zpsaf67ff5b.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on September 23, 2012, 07:22:30 AM
My home is in the "urban" section downtown in a small (<40,000) town.  Pretty crowded, tight lots etc surrounded by commercial, office, retail and even manufacturing within 1/4 mile.
Ka-Rap....

These two maturing fawns have been living up the street in a small thicket for several weeks now.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/DSC_0005_zps56bb997e.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/DSC_0010c_zps70e0ee0f.jpg)

 I think they have discovered that their fantasy "garden of Eden" buffet lies behind my fence.  They've been foraging and grazing nearby for a couple mornings now and sure were curious when i opened my back gate to hauled off some pulled tomato plants yesterday.   They haven't found a way in or over.......yet. 

Hopefully an introduction to 6 pounds of white lightning traveling at warp speed will keep them at bay lol...

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/dogs/th_f7fe10d0.jpg) (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/dogs/f7fe10d0.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Jeremy Downing on September 24, 2012, 07:19:26 AM
This thread has inspired me to start my own blog by Cohutt's model.  Thank you!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on September 24, 2012, 04:31:11 PM


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/DSC_0010c_zps70e0ee0f.jpg)

You can just see her saying, "Reyanne, would you get a look at that.  It's the buffet I've been dreaming about."
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on September 24, 2012, 05:59:09 PM
This thread has inspired me to start my own blog by Cohutt's model.  Thank you!

heh..... 

you won't get rich on it will keep you improving your garden and trying new things if you get in the habit of regular posting
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on September 24, 2012, 06:02:14 PM
You can just see her saying, "Reyanne, would you get a look at that.  It's the buffet I've been dreaming about."

yeah that's pretty funny until I think about them actually getting in.... 

It will take me all of 2 hours to purchase and string a hot wire around the perimeter should it be breached. ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on September 24, 2012, 07:59:25 PM
Fortunately, after two years, I've been lucky enough to have only rabbits, mice and birds get into mine.  The deer look, but so far, I've been lucky.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on September 24, 2012, 08:13:25 PM
Fortunately, after two years, I've been lucky enough to have only rabbits, mice and birds get into mine.  The deer look, but so far, I've been lucky.

you think possibly due to the 220 lbs of the beasts in your avatar pic ?  those are 30 or 40 of our guardian dog
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: ttubravesrock on September 24, 2012, 11:13:54 PM
You can just see her saying, "Reyanne, would you get a look at that.  It's the buffet I've been dreaming about."

Where did you get the name Reyanne?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on September 29, 2012, 07:39:02 PM
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Insects/BBee_0013.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Insects/BBee_0017.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Jeremy Downing on September 30, 2012, 02:40:48 AM
Amazing pictures!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: LvsChant on October 08, 2012, 09:18:00 AM
Cohutt... have you planted garlic yet?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Nicodemus on October 08, 2012, 10:31:37 AM
Beautiful bumble bee buzzing the basil, buddy.  ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on October 08, 2012, 04:55:24 PM
Cohutt... have you planted garlic yet?

Yes, over the last 10 days I've planted some garlic, elephant garlic & potato onions.  I'm going to plant some more small patches between now and thanksgiving to see how much difference it makes (of any).

My better seed was separated, sorted and planted on 9/30

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120930_0001.jpg)

And yes, I always measure now,  otherwise the 6" grid spacing ends up being "eyeballed down" by an inch or more.


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20120930_0003.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on October 08, 2012, 04:56:45 PM
Beautiful bumble bee buzzing the basil, buddy.  ;)

Amazing how lucky one can get with the shutter set on "continuous" release.  ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on October 08, 2012, 04:58:39 PM
Purple kohlrabi is fattening up; maybe half way there now but growing quickly

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0002-4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on October 08, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
Amazing how lucky one can get with the shutter set on "continuous" release.  ;)

I know you have this on here somewhere but what kind of camera do you have?

Also do you have fire ants in your area? If so how do you deal with them?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on October 09, 2012, 08:00:33 PM
I know you have this on here somewhere but what kind of camera do you have?

Also do you have fire ants in your area? If so how do you deal with them?

cam is nikon d5100

fire ants- yes, but not like in texas.

I always seem to have a colony or two on my small lot.  If they are in the way I have used the horrid bait, otherwise I just keep a wide berth.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on October 09, 2012, 08:11:11 PM
Might have a fun barter game to play next season with two local chefs

This basil was delivered to the Italian restaurant catering my daughter's rehearsal dinner in Dec

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121009_0002.jpg)

and this went to the one doing the reception

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121009_0001.jpg)

Both chefs would like to pay or give me "credit" but i just said "make my daughter and wife happy in December and we'll call it even. "

Both have asked if I would be interested in working something out next year for fresh delivered herbs; I was stunned what this stuff is worth to them delivered fresh, in well water, one the same day as it will be used. 

It has the wheels turning; with a little planning and reconfiguring I could grow a ridiculous amount of herbs in this little space of mine.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on October 09, 2012, 09:16:20 PM
cam is nikon d5100

fire ants- yes, but not like in texas.

I always seem to have a colony or two on my small lot.  If they are in the way I have used the horrid bait, otherwise I just keep a wide berth.

I normally use that stinky stuff too on piles that are in my way but i have a huge pile in one of my raised beds. Now I don't know what to do. Any non toxic ideas?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on October 09, 2012, 09:46:28 PM
I normally use that stinky stuff too on piles that are in my way but i have a huge pile in one of my raised beds. Now I don't know what to do. Any non toxic ideas?

Roach proof aka boric acid, mixed with sugar or any sweet liquid should work. basically you want them to take it down into the nest and kill the queen, so it may take a while. Same principal as the other "baits" but not a "poison".
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on October 10, 2012, 07:19:44 PM
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Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on October 11, 2012, 05:50:10 AM
Been away a while.  Love the bee pics.

I'm needing to get all my dead veg on the garden, run it through the chipper with some pine and dry horse manure, then I'll get my garlic in.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on October 14, 2012, 11:07:45 AM
The okra is still putting out a respectable pod or three, now more than 2' over the top of the 8' fence....

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0062.jpg)

Left and middle: Mixed greens (turnip, kale, mustard etc), right: simpson lettuce.  Two cabbage in the foreground...

(The tomato cages are stacked over the bed to deter invading cats for now, plus i've just been too lazy to move then the 50 feet up to their winter storage spot....)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0065.jpg)

The first kohlrabi harvested, also the first I have ever eaten that I know of.....

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121013_0002.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on October 15, 2012, 10:22:44 AM
Any ideas on how to prepare it?  I have some in my garden, too.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: zackandjen2004 on October 15, 2012, 10:54:02 AM
Kohlrabi is great in salads if it's young.  Just peel and slice.  Also the leaves you could treat like any brassica: put in a pot with a piece of pig, a starch if you're into that, onions/garlic, and broth or water.  Simmer till all is lovely.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on October 15, 2012, 06:52:52 PM
I ate raw- very nice.  Also added pieces plus the smaller leaves to a spicy greens based salad, also very nice.

Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on October 18, 2012, 08:17:35 PM
Did you get bats this year?
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on October 18, 2012, 08:39:26 PM
didn't get a maternal / nursery colony but had a few pass through late summer

maybe next year? ;)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: not important on October 27, 2012, 08:22:08 AM
Love the bat box, by the way.  I had two during my first marriage and gave one to my mom.  The other stayed with the old house.  I painted each of them black and added a Batman logo too.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on October 28, 2012, 07:25:31 AM
heh I figured I wasn't the first to borrow that logo.... 


First frost/freeze is forecast for tomorrow night.  I have a LOT of procrastinated work to complete today.  a couple hundred peppers are on the stump that have to come in and be prepped (jalapenos and poblanos).

I have to root through the two lima towers for the last of the "christmas" limas, anything big enough to be shelled.

I have to toss a frame up for this year's version of hoop house - which means I have to decide what I am going to do actually in that area.

I need to disconnect and drain the drip irrigation system after one more good soaking.

I need to bundle up the artichoke plant that isn't going to be under the hoophouse cover. 

Wow, I have been in denial for a few weeks and will pay today lol
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on October 29, 2012, 05:12:41 AM
Last of the peppers came in yesterday


(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121028_0004.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on October 29, 2012, 04:50:58 PM
Lookin' good.  Mine has a nice winter's blanket on it now. ::)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on November 08, 2012, 07:59:07 PM
Late start on this year's hoop house. This is rough outline of the smaller 2 bed one I'll try an get up in the next few days

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121104_0001.jpg)

Herbs like this parsley are really taking off as the cooler weather moves in:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121026_0002.jpg)

Same for this volunteer dill in the middle of some baby arugula :

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121026_0001.jpg)

Trying favas this winter, they are doing well so far:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121026_0015.jpg)

Broccoli is kickin it this year, nice large tight heads

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121104_0028.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: endurance on November 08, 2012, 08:07:13 PM
Looking good.  I've been putting my garden to bed and discovered I have a major mouse problem that I'll have to address before next spring.  Tunnels everywhere!  Guess I'm discovering the downside of hugelkultur; it give the little boogers a great place to build homes under your garden.
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on November 10, 2012, 06:30:20 PM
I had to deal with a rat family that decided that the area under my shed floor was a great nesting base....



From the volunteer luffa gourd patch:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121104_0011.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on November 10, 2012, 08:14:50 PM
I have always wondered what a person coulld do with all of their loofahs as these plants are prolific. I was in a soap making shop in Sachse TX and they had powdered loofa....dry the loofah, take off the peel, shake out the seeds, cut it up and put it in the food processor or blender. It was fairly fine but you can add it to soap to make it gritty and that would make it work good on really dirty hands.

Nice crop!
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on November 11, 2012, 07:58:31 AM
I've still got that many left from last year, and I have given a bunch away. 

That is a good idea though- I need to find someone locally with a soap making hobby to barter with....
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: LibertyBelle on November 11, 2012, 11:02:20 AM
Great harvest...especially love those peppers. :)


Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on November 11, 2012, 06:20:18 PM
beeg broccolees

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121111_0002.jpg)

:)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: LibertyBelle on November 11, 2012, 06:23:43 PM
What gorgeous yumminess!  ;D
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on November 16, 2012, 09:39:47 PM
Steamed with a little drizzle of herb butter....yummmmmm
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on November 17, 2012, 05:03:27 AM
We've been living in broccoli zen-land lately, mostly steaming it. Good stuff.

The scaled down hoop house is coming along

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121111_0004.jpg)

Also, first attempt at rutabagas seems to be mostly working as they are fattening up pretty well now:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121111_0006.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121111_0007.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: halh on December 03, 2012, 12:23:55 AM
We've been living in broccoli zen-land lately, mostly steaming it. Good stuff.

The scaled down hoop house is coming along

Nice looking hoop house...
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on December 03, 2012, 04:54:34 AM
Nice looking hoop house...

Thanks. Since then It has become funtional, will collect the pics and post in next couple days.

in the meantime

The "test" leek pulled to see how they are coming along:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/20121202_0001.jpg)

First rutabaga behind a pile of fresh mixed greens about to go in the pot:

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0037.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: LvsChant on December 06, 2012, 12:17:42 PM
That is all looking so great... wonderful-looking hoop house...
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on December 11, 2012, 09:21:45 PM
Thanks J

Busy here lately so I haven't been updating as much. Winter garden is alive and doing well in spite of my inattention.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0064-1.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0061.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0060.jpg)

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/Garden%202012%20B/DSC_0049.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: LvsChant on January 07, 2013, 01:09:28 PM
I'm sooo ready to have a garden again. Love those brassicas...
Title: Re: 2012: cohutt's garden v4.0
Post by: cohutt on January 07, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
I'm sooo ready to have a garden again. Love those brassicas...

Tasty stuff, the best stuff of the entire year imho..... 

I have a dozen or so healthy cabbage heads left to get me through Jan and Feb. :)

(Successor 2013 thread is now active here: http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=40265.0)