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Title: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: FrugalFannie on November 07, 2012, 04:47:25 AM
Due to the election results are you changing your preps?

Are you going to be more or less likely to prep?

Are you adding something you didn't think you needed before?

Is there anyone in your life who you think will become a prepper as a result of this election?

Has your level of urgency changed?
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Alan Georges on November 07, 2012, 05:52:56 AM
Not really.  The biggest personal impact for me will be the heat I get from some family because I voted for Johnson.  (As if that made a spit in hurricane's worth of difference in my deep-red state.)  If Romney had won, they'd shrug off my Johnson vote.  Now as it sits, they're angry, looking for an excuse, and in an upside-down way with them my credibility has taken a nose-dive.  I won't be able to talk to them about anything substantive, including prepping, for a long while.

An article over at Zero Hedge published just before the election predicts what we should prepare for, no matter yesterday's outcome:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-06/election-2012-how-winner-will-destroy-america
Summarizing the articles bullet points:

I can see (1) & (2) happening, 100%.  (3) will happen, but it won't get the blazing coverage in the news that it would had Romney been elected, so it will be more likely to spin out of control.  (4) will be more difficult to force through, but who knows.  We've already lost the press, maybe they'll find a way to shut down dissent on the net.  (5) will continue, the slow frog boil will not change pace.  With a D still in the White House, the mainstream press will continue to look the other way.  (6) will also continue, call it at a 75% level to leave a shred of cover for the administration.

All of this has been going on for a while.  The only change now is that the administration may feel that it can get away with more sudden moves.  That could backfire on them, but it could also put more pressure on us, sooner.  So other than a generally heightened sense of caution and a rift with some family, no, yesterday's results changed very little for me.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: rikkrack on November 07, 2012, 06:04:22 AM
Yes, Wife and I decided to ramp up our debt payoff to be able to buy property and be more independent of the systems, and stop feeding the monster that keeps demanding more in taxes. We can do our part and find every way we can to stop contributing to the taxes while provide for our family. Hopefully next year have our own business.

We plan on buying less, bartering more.

We plan on spreading the self reliant and self sufficient livestyle and educate as many as we can. One more enlightened ant is one less grasshopper coming to our door.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Shaunypoo on November 07, 2012, 06:17:26 AM
Due to the election results are you changing your preps?

Are you going to be more or less likely to prep?

Are you adding something you didn't think you needed before?

Is there anyone in your life who you think will become a prepper as a result of this election?

Has your level of urgency changed?

The only thing for me is the level of urgency.  My belief was that the country was going to continue down the financial path regardless of who was elected.  If anyone but Obama was elected, it would slow down moderately but still happen.  If Obama was elected, it will accelerate.  Since we woke up with the status quo this morning, I have no hope that the path we are on will change for the better, so I am accelerating my preps.  And considering how FEMA has handled the last two major disasters (Katrina and Sandy), I have no hope for when a truly national disaster occurs.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: flippydidit on November 07, 2012, 06:37:46 AM
We aren't changing our preps, just adjusting our financial focus.  Our next major purchase is going to be in ammunition.  We discussed a few days ago what to do with this coming paycheck.  We wanted to be flexible so that we could "adjust fire" depending on the election outcome.  Now that we know, we want ammunition to be number one since it will skyrocket in price, and become largely unavailable for the next 6-8 months (according to what happened last time).
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: microdevil45 on November 07, 2012, 06:59:01 AM
Just going to stay focused and stay the coarse.  The only thing that changed is the day.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: TexDaddy on November 07, 2012, 07:09:09 AM
We are just going to keep on keeping on with it.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: atherts on November 07, 2012, 07:36:32 AM
Same prepping, just stepping it up a bit. The cliff is coming faster or they will stave it off and the fall will be harder. Either way, extra preps won't hurt.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: riptide on November 07, 2012, 07:38:01 AM
Going to continue to trade Fed script notes for hard assets. The only difference in the medium term is the timeline to the point that other countries will continue to buy US Treasuries. The point we reach that will just happen sooner.

The 47% prostituted themselves for an Obama phone and a government check, add to that the Unions, and the environmental left, and collectively they just stomped on the accelerator reducing the time before we will hit the wall.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on November 07, 2012, 07:48:06 AM
Doom and gloom is a weak position to mentally put yourself in so be positive instead.

Same course for me as before, not a big deal.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: CharlesH on November 07, 2012, 07:49:37 AM
Since nothing has really changed, neither has my outlook or preps.  I'm still committed to developing a multigenerational more sustainable lifestyle for the family.  I was already invested in land, already putting money into improving the farm, already learning and teaching self sustainable skills for myself and to the family, etc.  Grid lock in Washington is not a bad thing in my opinion.  The opportunity to correct our debt crisis with anything less than heavy inflation is probably past anyway.  Once we start seeing that the current dead cat bounce in the economy has some legs, I'd expect inflation to kick in at a much higher rate.  I think that was going to happen regardless of yesterday's results.  Charles
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Roundabouts on November 07, 2012, 07:53:48 AM
We aren't changing our preps, just adjusting our financial focus.  Our next major purchase is going to be in ammunition.  We discussed a few days ago what to do with this coming paycheck.  We wanted to be flexible so that we could "adjust fire" depending on the election outcome.  Now that we know, we want ammunition to be number one since it will skyrocket in price, and become largely unavailable for the next 6-8 months (according to what happened last time).


We had the same conversation here.  Yes I remember when the shelves were empty of ammo.  4 different stores and all had bare shelves!  Yet nobody in the store could really tell me why.  That scared me to the core of my being.  Just like when I was 16 & St Helens blew the first time.  I saw the plume mushroom cloud and thought we had just been nuked.  Red Dawn flashed into my head. 

Seeing those empty shelves is what really "woke" me up.   I did tell hubby that we also need to stock up on reload supplies. 

Other than that I think Sandy has made me revaluate our prep plan more than the election. 
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: ID_Joker on November 07, 2012, 07:56:42 AM
Was going as fast as  could.  Still going as fast as I can.  :)
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: thequestion on November 07, 2012, 08:23:46 AM
Only a slight change; more high-cap mags and ammo before another ban or restriction is imposed.  Otherwise, everything else is still the same.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Cedar on November 07, 2012, 08:48:55 AM
My belief was that the country was going to continue down the financial path regardless of who was elected.

Yeppers.

Cedar
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Cedar on November 07, 2012, 08:54:36 AM
Due to the election results are you changing your preps?

No. Other than trying to get Z on the land he is in the process of buying

Are you going to be more or less likely to prep?

Same as normal.

Are you adding something you didn't think you needed before?

Just more livestock, but it has always been on the plan.

Is there anyone in your life who you think will become a prepper as a result of this election?

I doubt it.

Has your level of urgency changed?

Nope. Continue as I have been

Cedar
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Adam B. on November 07, 2012, 08:56:50 AM
Sorry — I can't see changing how you prepare for the future when the future will be exactly the same regardless of which ass clown wins the election.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: thefuzz1290 on November 07, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
On of my co-workers buys brass in bulk, cleans it up, and sells it....all of his stuff sold on gunbroker.com at 10pm and so far today he's had 75 e-mails from previous customers asking when the next batch would be ready. So ammo sales are up, and I'm sure gun sales are too.

That being said, I'm going to ramp up my ammo buying until I get at least 2000 rounds for my rifle. I have a feeling ammo control will be happening well before gun control...make it expensive to shoot, no one will buy guns.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: archer on November 07, 2012, 09:47:05 AM
The only thing for me is the level of urgency.  My belief was that the country was going to continue down the financial path regardless of who was elected. 

as Shaunypoo and Cedar say, either way this was going to happen. same coin, different faces.
I am just going to keep prepping and preparing.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: cmxterra on November 07, 2012, 09:56:02 AM
More reloading supplies.. but that was the plan already
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: dwhoppy on November 07, 2012, 10:08:27 AM
Looks like good excuse to buy another hand gun,,,,, with lots of hi-cap magazines, and stock up on amo before prices go up.

Everyone see how the stock market liked it? Down 350!
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: bcksknr on November 07, 2012, 10:19:43 AM
The situation our nation is in took a while to create (yes I believe intentionally) and there is plenty of blame to go around. If it can be fixed, it will take time. As long as both parties are primarily interested in making the other look like a failure, in order to gain votes and power, nothing will get done to turn things around. I see it as two enemies sitting in a boat, each drilling holes in the bottom to sink and drown the other. The sad part is the other innocent folks on board will go down with them. My family is as well prepared for a variety of disaster scenarios as we've always been. We will continue to prepare as always. Keep in mind that when a society crumbles, it usually never comes back. In all of human history there is a string of mighty empires that only exist now as ruins and exhibits of broken artifacts in museums. Those people were the same as us, with the same emotions, dreams and needs. All it took to bring them down was the arrogance and greed of a self-enriching ruling class. Unless our government can be changed from looking like two toddlers squabbling over the same shiny toy (and I don't hold out much hope for that), I see us going down the path once followed by ancient Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Rome, etc. But, we will keep on doing what we can, day by day.   
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: PrepperJim on November 07, 2012, 10:27:41 AM
I was going to hold off buying an AR but I will accelerate that along with 10 high capacity magazines. I just hope that I am not too late to get some current stock. I am taking off tomorrow and Friday to accomplish this goal.

Otherwise, more of the same. More silver, more ammo, more food. Rinse, wash and repeat.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: NWPilgrim on November 07, 2012, 10:41:03 AM
Not changing any preps yet.  Still doing as much as we can every month.  Neither candidate was addressing the economic issues so our fate has been sealed for some time.

I am disappointed though that as a country we aren't even trying to change course.  We just voted to put the pedal to the metal as we go over the financial precipice.  The reality doesn't change but the attitude was reinforced.  This has got me to reconsider a relocation and more of a "going Galt" lifestyle.  Our plan so far has been to stay in our house in the suburbs and prep the est we can and keep our well paying jobs. 

But I have always felt my high tech job is at risk when the economic collapse happens, so we had relocation to cheaper, more rural land as Plan D.  It would have to be across state or out of state to be really cheap subsistence. That would mean leaving our church community of friends, being even further away from family, especially my elderly mother, and of course income would be a big issue.  The goal would be to sell our equity in the house, cash out the 401K, and then find a place and manner to live so cheaply we no longer contribute to the tax base and just stay low on the radar.  That still requires some income so that is the sticking point right now.  I have no idea how I would do that. We are too young (mid-50s) to qualify for our retirements.

Does anyone currently live like this?  That is living on very cheap land, not getting any govt assistance, having enough income for basic food, equipment, fuel, etc but not so much you pay taxes or get hassled by regulations, etc.?  Or are there any good books or articles you know of that explain how this is done.  For you country folks this may sound stupid, but I have always worked at jobs my entire life for subsistence and have done well, but living outside the "employer/employee city/suburb" environment is not something I have done since I was a young single guy.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: inbox485 on November 07, 2012, 10:52:06 AM
Yes, but not on account of the ACIC election. My efftard state thinks it needs more taxes and less liberty, so I'll be prepping to mitigate that the best I can. If it becomes more convenient, I just might move to the US and be done with these ass clowns.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Fyrediver on November 07, 2012, 11:35:29 AM
Sure, I'm going to go get my Obamaphone so I can save some money!!

Just kidding.

Having no faith in the retirement system(s) in which I participate, I know that I'll be unable to truly retire so I'm going back to college.  I'm going to develop a retirement job skill set for when my body is too broken for firefighting.  That's part of my long term prep.

Other than that, just continuing building supplies that I think will become more and more scarce.

Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Doomtrooper on November 07, 2012, 11:40:43 AM
I have decided to step it up a bit, I was more surprised this morning with calls and e-mails from some close friends about where to start. Even my non-pepper sister and future brother in law woke me up this morning about what to start with, everyone know knows that the next few years are going to be tight. But on the face of it I will keep up my every day activities keeping an eye out for whatever happens to come our way.

See ya'll down range.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: ncjeeper on November 07, 2012, 11:48:00 AM
We are just going to keep on keeping on with it.
Same here.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: chrisdfw on November 07, 2012, 12:41:18 PM
Only to the extent that I believe Obama policies makes certain scenarios more likely. I don't think Obama or Romney or anyone can prevent an eventual collapse of the dollar, so the math doesn't change there.

I do believe Obama's environmental policies, many of which can be accomplished through  the regulatory power already granted to the EPA by congress (bypassing the republican house), will lead to higher energy prices. So I am moving up my energy efficiency improvements and solar system on the priority list. The expected electric inflation rates in my model will improve the payback calculation, so I am not doing anything in a knee-jerk reaction to the election. We get a lot our electric power from coal, and Obama is quite hostile to coal. Even if we shift to natural gas, what do you think the natural gas costs will do... rise.

Other than that, I ordered 10 AR lowers and a large order of magazines Sunday as a hedge against a lack of supply, either caused by legislation, or just plain panic buying. the price was right too.... 65 per lower, and 10 per PMAG
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Erigorn on November 07, 2012, 12:57:05 PM
Keeping the course like most have said.
Buying/Storing more food, water, etc
Will also be considering more silver and gold.
Same as I had already planned
Only real change is the guns and ammo sector may move to the top of the priority list.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on November 07, 2012, 02:42:09 PM
More ammo but like others have said that was already on the list just pushed up a bit.. DH and i have decided to push really hard this winter on our LTS as i don't see the cost of food dropping anytime soon but then again i tend to do that more in the winter any how.. YES it has swayed two very important people in my life my mother and father, me my DH brother-inlaw and sister are getting ready to buy a very desolate homestead(5000ft elev) we had "moral" support from my folks but as of this morn we now have financial support as well, so we our putting our BOL on the market(once we close for sure on the homestead) renting out our home come spring and taking the family very deep into the cuts..funny how much it affected me seems more drastic now that I'm typing it..
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: stry67 on November 07, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
Yea definitley pushing up buying the second batlle rifle and ammo. Food never really drops in price so what you buy today will always be higher so to speak.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: endurance on November 07, 2012, 04:58:52 PM
No changes for me.  I will continue to expand my garden, work toward paying off the house early (albeit slower than originally pictured when we bought it because more money is going into improving it), deepen the pantry, and maintain and improve my skills.  My wife and I are both on the path toward getting out EMTs and she'll eventually get her paramedic since it will take her only two additional weeks (she's already a CCRN).

I did have a positive conversation with a friend about prepping today, but it's more related to being single for the first time in her adult life at the age of 45 and realizing she'd been way too dependent on husbands and boyfriends her whole life.  She's interested in converting a closet into a deep pantry with some other basic prepping needs covered (talking her into a bucket for hygiene/emergency toilet, batteries, flashlights, etc.).  Off my recommendation she already got a jump box for her car and we're talking about a trip to Costco for other items soon.

Those folks who were nervous before due to the general charge in the air/feeling of impending change are even more primed than ever with Hurricane Sandy and the election.  It's a good time to bring others into the fold, regardless of the reason for their interest.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Bradbn4 on November 07, 2012, 05:25:26 PM
Yep -
  I am looking at more ways to save money and do some freelance work. I was hoping I had at least another two years to get everything paid off including the home, so now - that window might not be attainable. 

It's all a balancing act trying to figure out how my priority list has changed.  I might pick up a bit more reloading supplies to maximize what I have on hand can be used. 

No more gold plated turnip twaddlers, the types of preps will become more basic, more short turn on return, and to be frank, more useful. 
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: cep89 on November 07, 2012, 06:16:47 PM
I think means we will have less time to get ready,  so same plan just do it faster.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: FrugalFannie on November 07, 2012, 06:18:36 PM
I think means we will have less time to get ready,  so same plan just do it faster.

My thoughts too. Doing the same stuff just a little quicker if possible.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: chickchoc on November 07, 2012, 06:24:31 PM
My intuition had been going off for quite some time before the election so I've been working on preps consistently.  Even DH has not come around to converting more of our fiat savings into silver and a little bit of gold.  I still haven't convinced him to get a firearm although I took the CCW class last year.  My priority will be working on getting a propane generator and means of defending our homestead.

May God have mercy on all of us!
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: The Professor on November 07, 2012, 06:40:04 PM
Not really.  We've been prepping together for over 20 years.  We were a bit concerned about civil unrest following a Romney win, but since that didn't happen (and really wasn't expected). . .

Mainly, we're now working towards longer-term food stock.  Everything else is pretty much covered.

The Professor
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: ib71 on November 07, 2012, 06:59:00 PM
I probably go to next gun show and by a couple of AR stripped lowers.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: FreeLancer on November 07, 2012, 07:29:38 PM
I've already got more guns and ammo than any sane person in my demographic should be allowed to have.  There is probably no way a guy like me could ever become bad-ass enough to survive a battle which would exhaust my current supplies.

But I might look at moving more assets off the books, so to speak.

With no chance of Romney reversing taxmegeddon, as well as the looming fiscal cliff, I expect those beholden to the 47% will be looking at innovative ways to ensure the wife and I "pay our fair share." 
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Thom on November 07, 2012, 11:06:58 PM
The election results, while disappointing, aren't really a surprise.  The only thing we're changing is that we're speeding up purchasing equipment for our woodworking shop so that we can get some extra income to purchase some land to work on our homestead.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: FrugalFannie on November 08, 2012, 05:17:21 AM
I've already got more guns and ammo than any sane person in my demographic should be allowed to have.  There is probably no way a guy like me could ever become bad-ass enough to survive a battle which would exhaust my current supplies.

But I might look at moving more assets off the books, so to speak.

With no chance of Romney reversing taxmegeddon, as well as the looming fiscal cliff, I expect those beholden to the 47% will be looking at innovative ways to ensure the wife and I "pay our fair share."

I know many people who arestepping up their efforts to 'Go Galt.'
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: LibertyBelle on November 08, 2012, 12:01:51 PM
The election has had no bearing on my prepping goals for the future. I'd be just as determined as ever, regardless of who got in.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: oktheniknow on November 08, 2012, 12:09:55 PM
Doom and gloom is a weak position to mentally put yourself in so be positive instead.

Same course for me as before, not a big deal.

We will muddle through. Things will happen, just at a faster speed. It would help my mental state though if I could go for a spin in your car....
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: osubuckeye4 on November 08, 2012, 01:08:51 PM
Only adjustment I am making is that I'm pulling all of my money out of the stock market.

I had already pulled most of it out, but kept a bit in Intel stock (strictly because of the dividend they paid out)

With the increased taxiation on dividends set to go into effect, it makes way more sense to pull out of the market entirely right now


I will most likely put half of this money into a money market account (for the liquidity) and the other half into silver (as a hedge).


The other nice thing about the election result is that my wife is freaking out and now is gung-ho about prepping. This will make things much easier.  :)
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: TXChikk on November 08, 2012, 03:57:59 PM
Our only uptick in supplies will be the ammo department but all else remains the same. We are also going to ramp up paying down debt (we're building) once the dust settles on the homestead but that was already a plan. Several acquaintances and loved ones have come to us with a 'prepping' mentality as if it just registered with them that they need to do something. I agree that nothing would have changed with a new president except maybe a spirit of false hope but many around me seem to just now be waking up. I'll accept them and try to help in a wise way so as not to discourage. Interesting development though.....
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Griz on November 08, 2012, 10:14:35 PM
Just ramping up preps more.  Wife is on board 110%.

Need to do things that have been on my "to do list" but not acted on yet.

Now have more mental clarity to finally do the things I have only been thinking about.......
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: flippydidit on November 08, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Only to the extent that I believe Obama policies makes certain scenarios more likely. I don't think Obama or Romney or anyone can prevent an eventual collapse of the dollar, so the math doesn't change there.

I do believe Obama's environmental policies, many of which can be accomplished through  the regulatory power already granted to the EPA by congress (bypassing the republican house), will lead to higher energy prices. So I am moving up my energy efficiency improvements and solar system on the priority list. The expected electric inflation rates in my model will improve the payback calculation, so I am not doing anything in a knee-jerk reaction to the election. We get a lot our electric power from coal, and Obama is quite hostile to coal. Even if we shift to natural gas, what do you think the natural gas costs will do... rise.

Other than that, I ordered 10 AR lowers and a large order of magazines Sunday as a hedge against a lack of supply, either caused by legislation, or just plain panic buying. the price was right too.... 65 per lower, and 10 per PMAG

Where did you get the lowers?  Do they have more at that price?
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on November 09, 2012, 04:35:51 AM
We will muddle through. Things will happen, just at a faster speed. It would help my mental state though if I could go for a spin in your car....

If I physically owned this car ,  I would happily let you take it for a spin.  Since I only own it mentally , we could both drive it all that we want and it won't cost us a dime.   ;D
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: chrisdfw on November 09, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
Where did you get the lowers?  Do they have more at that price?

www.rguns.net for the lowers, they list as in stock.

I haven't received mine at my FFL yet, but they finally charged my card Wednesday, so I expect they just shipped Thursday or Today. There was a delay in my FFL sending a copy and they only recieved it wednesday even though I ordered sunday.

I've been meaning to get more lowers for some builds anyway, so this is in no way stocking up more than I would have otherwise bought, just a change in timing. I don't suggest anyone doing anything without forethought.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: amtank on November 10, 2012, 06:19:41 PM
Keep my head down, get out of the debt stocks. Keep up my rations... I am also going to work on some fuel storage. My estimates were off slightly on the distance I could travel in my car to my BOL.

Result, not at all that different than before.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: snickers on November 11, 2012, 06:37:55 PM
I agree with everyone who feels like we're screwed with Romney or Obama :) The only think I'm changing specifically because of Obama's reelection is that I'm focusing on obtaining more firearms/ammo before more restrictions are added. He hasn't talked much (that I have noticed) about banning firearms in any capacity, but you never know. If anything it's Sandy that's really reinforced needing to have preps in the car and extra food on hand.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: SteveInTx on November 11, 2012, 06:46:24 PM
I finally got a job, so, yes.  I am going to get back on track.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: FrugalFannie on November 11, 2012, 07:13:58 PM
I finally got a job, so, yes.  I am going to get back on track.

awesome!
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Chemsoldier on November 11, 2012, 08:33:42 PM
Not really.  Just so I dont take a bath during the short term price spike I have halted all firearms and ammunition related purchases.  It is really for the best, I have a lot of ancillary firearms related purchases (gear, holsters, optics) to catch up on as well as plenty of food, shelter, energy preps to do.  No changes, just re-racking and stacking the priority tags on the preps.

Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: NWPilgrim on November 12, 2012, 01:50:49 PM
I know many people who are stepping up their efforts to 'Go Galt.'

That is my latest plan.  Not to actually go Galt permanently, but to start setting up a very cheap retreat/BOL to where I could go an live for practically nothing if the worst came along (loss of high tech job and depressed economy making it unlikely I would find a job allowing us to stay nin our house).

I was inspired by this guy (Solar Cabin):
http://simplesolarhomesteading.com/ (http://simplesolarhomesteading.com/)

He has some videos, and a really great book that covers EVERYTHING.  I am inspired, now I have to get some action going.  Priorities this year are to find some cheap land that is suitable, and a cheap old truck that I can rebuild (like a 80s Ford F-150 4WD).
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on November 12, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
A little more urgency. My wife is coming more on board (doesn't even blink when I throw extra stuff in the cart at costco now, even adds a few things "just in case") and I might justify an AR lower that I wouldnt have before. Started picking up a little bit of ammo when I'm at work at the gun store, and lit a fire under the debt paydown. Nothing huge, just enhanced everything a little. And the wife is interested when I show her properties up the hill in the trees now. :)
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: thefuzz1290 on November 13, 2012, 03:00:56 AM
I'm not worried about gun control, especially since it won't pass with the Republicans still controlling the house. I'm worried about "bullet control." Obama can affect the price of ammunition through regulation. That being said, I'm trying ramp up my ammo storage.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Roundabouts on November 13, 2012, 05:31:38 AM
Flip that spouse?  Elect obama as president.   :rofl:  see he's good for something.  ;)
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Roundabouts on November 13, 2012, 05:36:35 AM
That is my latest plan.  Not to actually go Galt permanently, but to start setting up a very cheap retreat/BOL to where I could go an live for practically nothing if the worst came along (loss of high tech job and depressed economy making it unlikely I would find a job allowing us to stay nin our house).

I was inspired by this guy (Solar Cabin):
http://simplesolarhomesteading.com/ (http://simplesolarhomesteading.com/)

He has some videos, and a really great book that covers EVERYTHING.  I am inspired, now I have to get some action going.  Priorities this year are to find some cheap land that is suitable, and a cheap old truck that I can rebuild (like a 80s Ford F-150 4WD).


Was wondering if you got his book?  If so how was it? 
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Thomas Johnson on November 14, 2012, 04:22:30 AM
I don´t think it really matters much who is at them helm. At this point the debt is too high and it would take decades to turn it around. Ron Paul ftw ;D
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: chrisdfw on November 14, 2012, 02:48:35 PM
I don´t think it really matters much who is at them helm. At this point the debt is too high and it would take decades to turn it around. Ron Paul ftw ;D

Or as I like to say... we're beyond politics... now the math dominates
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: FrugalFannie on November 14, 2012, 05:36:27 PM
All very true. I feel like I need to speed up my preps with O at the helm but I guess realistically it doesn't matter. I hear the clock ticking.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: NWPilgrim on November 15, 2012, 04:00:45 AM

Was wondering if you got his book?  If so how was it?

Yes I bought the $7 eBook version.  I browsed through it and it is very complete.  He gives plans for building the cabin he did for $2,000.  Talks about finding suitable cheap property, sewage/toilet systems and hot to build them, solar power and generators and how to install them and batteries banks and meters.  He really covers practically every aspect of what he has learned in 15 yrs on his homestead.  He even discusses ideas of how to start your own low cost business and run it. I am traveling for business right now so no time to read it yet, but it is the top of my reading list when I get on the plane home.  So far, I highly recommend it, and I may buy the paperback version as well.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: GTO_Monkey on November 16, 2012, 06:39:11 AM
price of ammo has gone up considerably in the last 2 weeks.
1000 rounds .223 was $350ish and now is $400 and above .. saw $450 at the local gun show

So am buying reload supplies which havent gone up yet.. Powders still about $20/lb  Primers about $30/1000   bullets are going up looking ot get more


good luck
GTO monkey
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: NWPilgrim on November 17, 2012, 01:37:17 AM
When I got home from my business trip and we were chatting about the economy my wife asked me if I had considered starting a hemp farm in my home state of Washington.  I about fell over but got to thinking that might be a great idea.  Hemp used to be grown in the US on plantations just like any other crop.  Very useful for oil and fiber.  Never heard mention in old time stories about it being smoked back then.  It will probably be a highly profitable cash crop, easy to grow, and kind of renegade.

I chuckle about our "retirement plan" now, but if things get as bad as I believe they will I am likely to do many things I never imagined.  My wife wants to call it Obama Acres.  I was thinking The Happy Place.  :D
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Thomas Johnson on November 18, 2012, 02:51:39 AM
Hemp is actually quite useful! As you mention it can be used for rope, oils and chicken feed. Go for it:-)
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Cedar on November 18, 2012, 10:34:29 AM
Hemp is actually quite useful! As you mention it can be used for rope, oils and chicken feed. Go for it:-)

I did an article awhile back on industrial hemp. And I also have hulled hemp seed in my fridge right now from Bob's Red Mill. I love it. It tastes like pine nuts.

PAPER PRODUCTS: Cardboard, filter paper, fine specialty paper, newsprint, packaging paper, stationary

BUILDING PRODUCTS: Concrete blocks (I picked up a piece of concrete made from hemp. It was VERY light and very tough), fiber board, fiberglass substitute (Henry Ford made and ran a whole car from hemp, the 'fiberglass' he hit with a sledgehammer in cold weather and it didn't even mar.), insulation material, mortar, and stucco. Hempcrete is easier to work than traditional lime mixes and acts as an insulator and moisture regulator. It lacks the brittleness of cement and consequently does not need expansion joints The building material also is self-insulating; resistant to rotting, rodents and insects; and fireproof, waterproof and weather resistant.

OIL: Personal Hygiene: bath gels, cosmetics, shampoo, soaps.

OTHER OIL: Industrial oils, food products, cooking oil

TEXTILES: Apparel (I have a dress made from hemp and it is so soft, needs no ironing, its mildew resistant which is why hemp is also great for shower curtains, and the longer you use the material, the softer it gets)(also they had a 25 year old t-shirt there, but looked brand new, though the writing was faded from usage), canvas, carpets, denim (the 1st denim jeans were made from hemp fiber), handbags, socks, shoes, work clothing.

INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTS: Agri-fibre composites, brake/clutch linings, caulking, nets, rope, tarps, twine

INDUSTRIAL CHEMICALS: Coatings, fuel oils, lubricants, and oil based paints, printer inks, putty's, solvents, varnishes.

FOODS: Food supplements, granola, margarine, coffee, protein rich flour, salad oil, seed cakes. (I had some bread, which sort of tasted like Russian rye? And some granola snack stuff.
Both were good. Sorry didn't try the coffee)

Some FACTS about INDUSTRIAL hemp:
#1 producer of biomass per acre in the world
     
If grown for the production of biomass fuels, can provide all of our gas, oil and coal needs and end dependency on fossil fuels. Biomass fuels offer a clean alternative to fossil fuels.
     
Has a heating value of 8,000 BTU/lb with virtually no residual sulfur or ash during combustion.
     
One acre will produce as much pulp for paper each year as 4.1 acres of trees will over a 20-year period.

 Using hemp paper could replace 40-70% of all tree pulp used for corrugated boxes, computer paper and paper bags.
 
The hemp papermaking process requires no dioxin-producing chlorine bleach and uses 75-85% less sulfur-based acid.
 
Produces the strongest, most durable soft-fiber on earth. Until the 1820's up to 80% of all textiles and fabrics for clothing, canvas, and linens were made from hemp
 
Is more stronger, more durable, warmer and more absorbent than cotton, best of all, it can be grown more places than cotton.
 
An acre of land will produce 2-3 times more fiber as cotton, about 1,000 pounds per acre.
 
Hemp seed has an oil content of 34%, more than any other seed. Second only to whale oil in quality.
 
Once hemp seeds have been harvested of oil, the remaining seed cake is second only to Soya bean for protein content and is an excellent source of nutrition for either farm animals or humans.
 
The whole seed contains about 25% protein, 30% carbs, 15% insoluble fiber, carotene, phosphorus, potassium, magnesium, sulfur, calcium, iron, zinc, Vits E,C,B1,B2,B3 and B6, Hemp seed is one of the best sources of Fatty acids with a perfect 3:1 ratio of Omega6 Linolenic acid and Omega3 Linolenic Acid.
 
Has a short growing season of 90-110 days
 
Is very easy on the soil and returns 60% of the nutrients taken from the soil when dried in the field. The roots also help alleviate soil compaction
 
Is heat and drought tolerant.
 
Requires no herbicide, pesticide or fungicide

Ok.. sorry to sidetrack there

Cedar
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: carbon on November 18, 2012, 10:02:14 PM
Will continue to prep as planned but will move some things to the top such as:
-internet privacy-moving away from google based products and gmail in particular. setting myself up so i am not relying on these products and if I do use them to minimize my footprint.
-reconsider where we will be moving a few years from now. it seems more people prefer being on the dole than there ever was

that pretty much generalizes the adjustments we are making. i think privacy and self-reliance are important things people no longer care for. With the way things are going, these will be more important than ever.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: Morning Sunshine on November 19, 2012, 09:00:02 AM
after 2 weeks of debate with myself, I have decided on 2 focuses (foci? focusi?)

one, the most important, is Spiritual Preparation.  I need to remind myself that the Lord Jesus is in charge.  That He can make all things right, and if I follow the promptings of the Holy Spirit, I will be able to ride out anything.  And so I need to refocus my life to be able to better hear His promptings.  And, a hymn has been wandering through my head for the past 2 weeks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhES-xpWc8w  especially the last line: "Earth has no sorrow that heaven cannot heal"
so, to this end, I am putting my spiritual house in order, for "if God be for [me], who can be against?"

the other focus change is energy independence.  I am betting that with the re-election, he will continue his assault on the energy producers, and the cost to run my home will go up.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: NWPilgrim on November 19, 2012, 12:18:41 PM
after 2 weeks of debate with myself, I have decided on 2 focuses (foci? focusi?)

one, the most important, is Spiritual Preparation.  I need to remind myself that the Lord Jesus is in charge.  That He can make all things right, and if I follow the promptings of the Holy Spirit, I will be able to ride out anything.  And so I need to refocus my life to be able to better hear His promptings.  And, a hymn has been wandering through my head for the past 2 weeks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhES-xpWc8w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhES-xpWc8w)  especially the last line: "Earth has no sorrow that heaven cannot heal"
so, to this end, I am putting my spiritual house in order, for "if God be for [me], who can be against?"

the other focus change is energy independence.  I am betting that with the re-election, he will continue his assault on the energy producers, and the cost to run my home will go up.
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Well said!

Although we prep for physical survival and prosperity, it doesn't matter one whit if our spiritual life is neglected.  Ultimately we will spend eternity in the hereafter according to our life choices, and our time on earth is relatively a blink.

We are also looking to longer term energy independence.  Some fo the podcasts of Steve Harris really got me to thinking.  Also that SimpleSolarCabin.com website.  It becomes mroe practical if we find ways to dramatically reduce our energy consumption and use the best power/fuel source for the job.  For instance, solar is great when used with battteries and low energy devices such as LED lighting, and small electronics (laptop instead of desktop computer).  But solar is not good for house heating, but wood or petroleum products are very good for heating.  I am looking into more energy options with propane, solar, and maybe even steam. 

Anyone know of a steam engine that will run a generator and can be multi-fuel fired?
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: rikkrack on November 19, 2012, 12:28:56 PM
In one of Harris's last podcasts he stated that steam engines are VERY inefficient. I had the same thought of a steam engine for off grid living, until he said that. Se we are looking at other options instead. You can get a wood gasification engine and do the same thing I believe.
Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: cptd on November 25, 2012, 02:03:44 AM
Nope  no change.

Plain fact of the matter is that in terms of our financial posture, a Romney win would have changed nothing. As a mainstream republican he would have spent money just as ferociously as Obama, only instead of Obama phones we would have got defense spending that we need like we need a hole in our freaking heads.  Just look at the last mainstream republican we had - we got nothing but more government, more government, and wait! More government! And we didn't have a balanced budget.

Bush and Obama are hopeless failures and so are their respective congresses.

Both parties are pursuing fundamentally flawed ideologies that are way out of touch with the founding principles of this country and neither has the testicular/ovarian fortitude to make the tough decisions that are necessary to avoid a disaster.

This country has not been so polarized by ideological difference since Reconstruction. It's unhealthy. We're so polarized that the parties have essentially written off entire swaths of the country, like mine in rural Georgia where my disgusting congressman ran UNCONTESTED for the third time this cycle. That's right. His was the only name on the ballot.

How motivated to do a good job can you possibly be if you have absolutely no chance of losing your job, at all, ever, for any reason? And so there he sits, an institution unto himself. He calls himself a conservative, whatever that means these days, and he gets elected. He seldom votes. In three terms he has authored exactly 0 pieces of legislation, meaning that he has contributed nothing in the way of ideas or solutions. But he goes to a good Baptist church, decries gay marriage, and rails against anyone who suggests the Earth wasn't procured in a week exactly 6000 years ago, so I guess even though he's done squat to help contain the expansion of the federal government he's a good conservative because he believes in God.

Must be nice to have a job you can't lose.

This election meant nothing and to say that it either slowed or accelerated any coming crises is jibba-jabba.

Title: Re: After the election - are you changing your preps?
Post by: flippydidit on November 25, 2012, 02:21:35 AM
Anyone know of a steam engine that will run a generator and can be multi-fuel fired?

Please don't attempt to run steam engines of any size without proper training.  Steam engine operators/engineers are a skilled and experienced trade.  There are a lot of things most people don't know about steam engines (such as the high pressures required or that steam and vapor pressures can change quickly or unexpectedly).  Once they find out that 1) they should be manned 24/7, and that 2) a malfunction or miscalculation can turn it into a freakin' bomb, they start looking at comparatively safer approaches to energy production.  That's not to say that it can't be done, or that they don't have a purpose, just that steam engines of any type must be taken very seriously.