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Title: Ammo shortages (now 2016)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Heavy G on November 22, 2012, 09:42:40 AM
I'm not seeing any shortages of ammo, despite Obama winning re-election.  I think manufactures geared up big time for higher production.

What are you guys seeing?  I don't want to go out and buy a bunch of ammo when I don't need to.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cbowseriii on November 22, 2012, 09:46:13 AM
Just went to our quaterly gun show here in Plant City and there was plenty of ammo. Better yet, the price had not increased. I did have a friend tell me their ammo went up five bucks but I don't know where they got it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on November 22, 2012, 10:33:45 AM
Not seeing an increase, in fact I have seen a lot of Black Friday specials on factory ammo that are lower than I've seen in months.  My brother just got his order filled on 300G .338 Lapua bullets that was on B/O for 6 months, which tells me that maybe they have caught up and are now finally able to ship the odd stuff.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on November 22, 2012, 11:12:22 AM
At the local gun show 2 weeks ago ammo was being bought up faster then twinkies ;D One guy walked in with 10 thousand dollars and bought out a vendor. By sunday there was no ammo on the floor. My local wal mart has nearly empty shelves. Only stuff available is odd ball calibers.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Chemsoldier on November 22, 2012, 02:09:47 PM
Nothing really short here in the Springs.  Wal_Mart is out of a few ammo brands (Federal 55 grain .223) but most of them are things they are sold out of half the time anyway.

Sportsman's Warehouse- No shortages, no price increase I have seen.

Online- Even the cheap stuff is starting to come back at a bit of a price increase.  Initially all the Wolf and other el cheapo stuff that was not as bad as Tula (which largely stayed in stock)

Sales are definitely up, prices are up and I am not buying ammo right now (I have plenty), but it definitely isnt a crisis like the winter of ought eight - ought nine.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on November 22, 2012, 05:33:57 PM
Our suppliers have informed us that ammo will only be available on allottment. We used to be able to order whatever they had in stock. At least for now, we will only be able to order limited quantities at a time. Sales are definetly up. If you see deals, go for it, i don't see prices going down much anytime soon. But I wouldn't recommend paying much higher prices now than a month ago. If we really see a huge tightening up of the supply, I'll relay the message here.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: The Professor on November 22, 2012, 05:45:22 PM
Our suppliers have informed us that ammo will only be available on allottment. We used to be able to order whatever they had in stock. At least for now, we will only be able to order limited quantities at a time. Sales are definetly up. If you see deals, go for it, i don't see prices going down much anytime soon. But I wouldn't recommend paying much higher prices now than a month ago. If we really see a huge tightening up of the supply, I'll relay the message here.

My experience and info is similar.

I've seen shortages on shelves of some of the mid- to higher-end ammo.  As examples:  I can't seem to find any Black Hills .223 in 77-gr, or Hornady TAP in 75gr, American Eagle 223 in 55 or 62gr or 308 in 147/149/150.

Winchester USA .223 in 55 seems also  be hard to find as is the Marine Corps newest round (but those are blemishes, anyway).

There's plenty of lower-end, plinking ammo and still lots of hunting-grade ammo out there, though.

The Professor


Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Roundabouts on November 22, 2012, 05:50:25 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Shaunypoo on November 22, 2012, 08:11:35 PM
:popcorn:
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: flippydidit on November 22, 2012, 08:36:48 PM
I had some worries initially, but it looks like the manufacturers may have learned their lesson from the last election.  Anything that I had seen disappear has been restocked already (not even two weeks).  The places that haven't been restocked look to be a fault with the retailer and not a supply issue.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on November 22, 2012, 08:46:43 PM
.308 for plinking seems to be fairly dry to the point I've considering getting into reloading, and added reloading as one of my "13 in 13".  Most of what is on the shelf (if at all) is match grade and pretty pricey in the half dozen stores I frequent.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Doomtrooper on November 22, 2012, 11:29:40 PM
So far nothing that I can see, but I will say that the prices in my local area have gone up just a bit.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on November 23, 2012, 12:09:29 AM
.308 for plinking seems to be fairly dry to the point I've considering getting into reloading, and added reloading as one of my "13 in 13".  Most of what is on the shelf (if at all) is match grade and pretty pricey in the half dozen stores I frequent.
Yeah no surplus to be found. :'(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Roknrandy on November 23, 2012, 06:13:28 AM
My mega walmart added a larger case to store ammo  ;D Its been packed to over flowing for about three weeks now 

It's a thing of beauty  ;)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bolomark on November 23, 2012, 06:46:59 AM
went to gun show last weekend in Puyallup and the ammo supply looked the same.a couple of vendors with the usual pallets full and then the smaller tables were full.prices seemed average.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on November 23, 2012, 06:28:52 PM
During lunch break I stopped at the local Sportsmen Warehouse - there was a line at the gun counter waiting for some of the really nice deals they had.  Some of the ammo was harder to find, and not quite as much of it.  I grabbed the 2nd to last CCI large rifle primers so I would have some when I reload 308.   I did spot one guy with over 8, 1 lb containers of powder in his basket.  Some of the Walmart stores did have some low stock / no stock in some of the brands.  The larger gun store seemed well stocked up and I did not see the panic buying I saw in 2008 (yet).



Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on November 23, 2012, 08:23:40 PM
I visited a gun store up here in Canade earlier today, and it seemed as if they still had decent stock (including some .45ACP bulk packs that I felt tempted to buy) but I could see shortages develop in the upcoming months as they've already begun with firearms. Even Ruger 10/22s sell out as soon as they arrive according to the salesman I spoke to as I picked up the second last of an 870 Express Tactical Shotgun that I wanted to get while it was still available and at a nice price. He sold lots of them earlier and said that the last one will likely sell within the next 1-2 days.

I've got lots of reloading gear plus regular ammo, but might stock up on a couple of bricks of .22LR and maybe 1-2 bulk packs of .45ACP or some pistol primers. I hope that the US gun industry is better equipped to meet demand this time, since we benefit whenever new people enter into the sport.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cptd on November 24, 2012, 12:47:32 AM
No shortage of any kind here in my little corner of Georgia. If anything, there have been some good deals at my favorite gun store lately, although I haven't bought any lately as I simply don't need it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on November 24, 2012, 01:21:36 AM
Online some things are disappearing. Not everything, but the most common bullets and powders are getting harder to come by, and primers have really gone up in price.  Locally our small discount store just got in a BOAT LOAD of ammo and guns and they have some good sales going on.  Where normally you have to wait for a counter person to wander along to help with ammo and gun purchases, Black Friday they had four clerks hustling around stocking shelves and helping people.  A ton of .22LR ammo which is not typical.  A triple ton of bulk pistol ammo.  Pretty well stocked with powders except VARGET of course (and after I left they are now low on H335).

So overall I would say locally they are much better stocked this week than typical and prices have not gone up except on primers.  A LOT of guys were at the range today (black Friday) and most 20s-30s and were shooting AR15s.  Seeing many more Garands at the range in the last year as well.  The shooting sports and commerce are alive and well in this area.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: blueyedmule on November 24, 2012, 05:09:07 AM
Bi-Mart (PacNW chain store) is running a pretty good deal on .223 brass cartridge, mil-spec primer for $6.49 per box of 20, limit 4 bx per day. If you want more at a bite, 500 rd of Hornady for I think it was $179? So if you're burning gas getting four boxes a day the Hornady rounds price out. My hotel is next to a Bi-Mart anyway, so I shop daily.

Now black gun stuff, that's another story. Seems like lots of the online folks are out or back-ordered on parts and many weapons are as well. I'm waiting in line for my S&W M&P 15 Sport. Spike's Tactical says they're 8-12 months behind on their parts and fully built weapons. Others seem cleaned out, especially at the lower price points.

On the other hand, I found hi-cap mags pretty easy and without getting gouged. Picked up last year's model of Magpul PMags for $12.25 with free shipping. That isn't astounding, but it wasn't price-gouging either, and availability seems still pretty good for the most part with some online vendors that are more popular having some shortages.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Rugerfan on November 25, 2012, 04:19:56 PM
My AO here in GA there is hardly any 9mm or .45 ammo on hand at either Walmart. Plenty of Common caliber rifle though except .22
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Connecticut Prepper on November 25, 2012, 05:06:07 PM
I can't really complain, I have been able to get the ammo I needed/wanted when I needed it, prices even seem to have stayed the same...for now
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on November 26, 2012, 12:36:50 AM
Was at Fleet Farm tonight and they had everything very well stocked. They had 7.62x39mm on strippers, 1120rd sealed tin in wooden crate for $220ish. I have never seen them for same in that quantity on the shelf. I am going to run back an grab a couple, as I can pay cash.

But it appears that there is no shortage of anything. Shotgun, hunting, handgun, and sporting style rifle rounds were all available.  Nothing was a super good deal, all was priced normal.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: otowner98 on November 26, 2012, 06:16:35 AM
I was at Farm & Fleet (South of the Cheddar Curtain) and the shelves were pretty full.  They had 9, 40, 45, .223, 7.62x39, and loads of shotgun shells of all types.   Prices weren't great, but they never are when you buy by the box and not the case. 
On Black friday I got two very good deals on 9mm (500 rounds), and 7.62x39 (1,000 rounds).  In both cases, with shipping, I had a cost per round that was lower than I've been able to find in several months.  Still not 2005, but what is?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on November 29, 2012, 04:07:38 PM
I was just in the gun shop. They had lots and lots. I only bought 2 boxes of 5.56 for trial, $13 each.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on November 30, 2012, 02:12:10 AM
Went by wal mart then the gun shop. Wal mart was pretty empty. The gun shop had ample.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: flippydidit on November 30, 2012, 02:23:50 AM
Bought 880 rounds of steel core 7.62x54R and two boxes of .38 Special SJHP (100 rounds) for $207 delivered to my door.

Got these as a Christmas present for my friend.  Ho ho ho.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Shaunypoo on November 30, 2012, 11:50:03 AM
Walmart and Meijer are cheaper than Dicks and Basspro which are cheaper than gun shops.  Nothing at the Walmart and Meijer, nothing but the more expensive calibers at Dicks and Basspro, and plenty at the gun shops, but they gouge you around here.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ForgedPatriot on November 30, 2012, 03:32:44 PM
I can tell you this....a guy that I work with has a daughter that works at a large retail sporting goods/hunting store in my area. Ever since the election, they have not been able to keep ammo in stock, the lines have been out of the gun section, and people are purchasing ammo in thousand dollar purchases at a time. - FACT!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: otowner98 on November 30, 2012, 05:31:12 PM
Bought 880 rounds of steel core 7.62x54R and two boxes of .38 Special SJHP (100 rounds) for $207 delivered to my door.

Got these as a Christmas present for my friend.  Ho ho ho.

And THAT, sir, makes you a truly great friend! 

Also, all of the ammo I ordered on Black Friday has shipped, so "in stock" wasn't B.S.  The only thing on back-order is the Mags
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: flippydidit on December 01, 2012, 12:05:47 AM
And THAT, sir, makes you a truly great friend! 

Also, all of the ammo I ordered on Black Friday has shipped, so "in stock" wasn't B.S.  The only thing on back-order is the Mags

What can I say?  We're not exactly a "socks and fruitcake" group of friends!  Also plussed up on mags for Household 6.  She's getting extra AK mags and XD9 mags (no backorder).  I guess it depends on where you're shopping.  I haven't seen any roadblocks with my sources.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on December 01, 2012, 09:22:28 AM
Do you worry about op-sec when you mention exactly what you purchased, or is it a non-starter for you?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on December 01, 2012, 09:30:20 AM
I revisited a few stores after Thanksgiving rush - noticed
1) Walmart was out of some of the common ammo
2) Sportsmen was down, but no real outages - most of the CCI primers are out of stock
3) receiving some e-mail from online venders I have supported in the past about increases in price for the 7.62x39 ammo
4) the 5.45 ammo has gone up in price about 20% over the last 6 months.


Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: flippydidit on December 01, 2012, 09:31:18 AM
Well, we don't break any laws (that we're aware of), we maintain attorneys on retainer, and in this day and age there really isn't any 'reasonable expectation of privacy' anywhere.  I'd imagine they have all of our purchasing and banking information at their fingertips already.  If they were looking to go after someone, there are 1) criminals with much more firepower than us, and 2) much bigger fish in the 'prepper' community.

Besides, we have more important things to worry about than Big Brother knowing what type of lingerie and pistol magazines I bought for the wife's Christmas presents.  One of them being TEOTWAWKI.

 ;)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ForgedPatriot on December 01, 2012, 09:32:01 AM
Do you worry about op-sec when you mention exactly what you purchased, or is it a non-starter for you?

Why would what he purchased be an opsec issue? Just curious. Alot of people on here talk about what they have and what they have done, but as long as the other guy has no clue about where he actually is or other personal details I don't see that it would be an opsec issue. Now, with that being said....I don't go around blabbing to people I see in everyday life about everything I am doing, and where I am doing it at. Being on a board like this gives you a platform to share certain things and still maintain your anonymity if you keep your wits about you.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: flippydidit on December 01, 2012, 10:16:55 AM
Besides, I'm a big fan of disinformation.  How does anyone here know what I'm saying is true?

 ;)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ForgedPatriot on December 01, 2012, 10:19:28 AM
Besides, I'm a big fan of disinformation.  How does anyone here know what I'm saying is true?

 ;)

Perfect...LMBO!   ;D
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on December 01, 2012, 06:53:07 PM
Every one knows that everyone posts her is a pre-puberty, over weight, and destine to live in their parents basement until their late 20's.    Their highest goal in life is to be a ninja, tact-cool mall cop.

So any hardware that they talk about is just something they saw referenced in the latest version of modern warfare video game.

or not  :o
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on December 19, 2012, 10:23:02 PM
Well, I said I would update if there was any big changes.  If you haven't noticed already, there has been a HUGE rush on guns and ammo since about Saturday.  We sold out of ARs, including receivers (stripped, complete lowers, and complete uppers) on Tuesday (we are closed Sun/Mon), our AK variants are dwindling, semi-auto pistols, especially 9mm, and pump and semi-auto shotguns have been hit.  The worst by far are the ARs and the 9mms.  We have heard from one manufacturer that everyone's prices will be jumping on ARs, I'm not talking 10-20%, I'm talking 50-100% or more.  Manufacturers can't keep up, so they are going to be running extra shifts in an effort to keep producing.  Ammo and accessories flew out today.  Get it now, while the getting is good.  Everyone jokes with us about how great of a problem this is for us, and sure, it's nice to be busy, but deep down, we are really bothered by this.  It isn't fun for us to tell people that yesterdays prices are no longer valid, and then we contact our wholesalers and they have nothing to restock us with. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: hackalar on December 19, 2012, 10:39:15 PM
It's over!   :'(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: backwoods_engineer on December 20, 2012, 08:46:09 AM
MidwayUSA is COMPLETELY sold out of all standard-capacity AR-15 magazines now.  Good thing I bought some at the gun show.

I have been trying to get 1000 round cases of .223/5.56; the prices are ATROCIOUS.  I bought Georgia State Ammunition's LAST packages at 30 cents a round.  Everywhere I go (including gun show), I am seeing prices as high as 45 cents a round, and not much any lower than that.

My local gun shop is completely sold out of SS109 (5.56 ball).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on December 20, 2012, 08:50:23 AM
This is just my guestimation, but in 2008 folks were more afraid of them going after ammo, thus the 2008-2009 shortage.  Now, a lot of folks are pretty set on ammo and while there is definitely a short-term run, the fact that most of the talk is around the weapons, not the ammo, I suspect this will drop off and availability will come back by springtime.

That said, one mere mention of going after ammo and all bets are off.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Veritas on December 20, 2012, 11:18:12 AM
The store I was at yesterday was already completely out of all AR's and AR magazines. There was a guy there that bought the last 6 of those high capacity (30 round) Glock pistol mags at I think 50 or 60 bucks each.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on December 20, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
SGAmmo shows zero availability in any caliber, including shot gun shells.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Jack Crabb on December 20, 2012, 12:09:55 PM
Ammoman.com website said they were not taking new orders for about 7 days to have time to process the orders already in hand.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on December 20, 2012, 12:29:07 PM
Ammoman.com website said they were not taking new orders for about 7 days to have time to process the orders already in hand.
To be accurate, their website states they are about 7 days behind in shipping orders. That the closure is temporary until they catch up on current orders.

Sorry to be nit picky but Eric has given me outstanding customer service over the years. There is already enough disinformation floating about with the current surge in purchases in the firearms industry and support industries. We don't need to be a source of that on this forum, IMO. YMMV

http://www.ammoman.com/StoreClosed.htm
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on December 20, 2012, 12:32:23 PM
Just visited local sporting goods store.  All AR-15s are sold, all mags, glocks, etc are gone.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on December 20, 2012, 01:47:33 PM
The Academy store here is out of all 5.56 and .223. There is very little .22. There was plenty of 9mm and .45 ACP and lots of shotgun shells.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on December 20, 2012, 03:13:26 PM
I'm noticing vendors getting low on buckshot too. Just another heads up.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on December 20, 2012, 07:46:50 PM
Here in the the south Metro of Minnesota, supplies are holding up. There are a few people trying to sell stuff at a premium, but the stores have not raised prices, and are not out of stock. Dicks pulled the ARs, several AK47s was still in stock. Ammo was a plenty at WallMart(this store does not sell ARs, but had lots of shotguns). Fleet Farm looked like it had more in stock than usual, lots of scary black rifles of every make. They were out of standard capacity GLOCK 9mm Magazines. But had plenty of 30  round mags. They were due to be restocked with a double supply today. Sales are definitely up, but I do not think we are seeing the mass purchase that the rest of the US is seeing. I was talking with a few friends, and we concluded that most people had already stocked up after the other shortages. Most of my shooting buddies buy ammo online by the case.
 
Sales online at most sites are jacked.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on December 20, 2012, 08:42:00 PM
I have not been able to find any ss109 ammo anywhere at a reasonable price,

Cheaper than dirt $899 for 1000 rounds doesn't count as reasonable.

I generally buy my ammo online by the case myself and am not finding anything worth buying.

Thank goodness for airsoft and 22LR conversions.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: RacinRob on December 20, 2012, 09:12:56 PM
SGAmmo shows zero availability in any caliber, including shot gun shells.

From SGAMMO:
Attention SGAmmo Customers - We will be closed December 22nd through December 31th for the Holidays. We are currently working on filling the orders that have been received up to this point. At this time we cannot accept any more orders for shipping before the break period. During the holiday break we will be offering a very limited selection of products which will be sold by the factory full case only, which will begin shipping on the 1st of January but expect delays of 5 to 7 days after that. We will resume a normal product line on January 1st.

They must have gotten hammered because they generally just accept case orders over Christmas.  They must give their employees a week off.

Cheaper than Dirt are known for jacking up prices every chance they get.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on December 21, 2012, 10:33:18 PM
I just tried to order an AR-15 upper half from Rock River.  Got this message.  Not sure if it is annual maintenance or driven by current events.

Due to website maintenance and software updates, ordering will be disabled and unavailable on this website until Wednesday morning, Dec. 26, 2012.
We apologize for an inconvenience, and thank you for your understanding.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: The Professor on December 22, 2012, 11:30:00 AM
I just tried to order an AR-15 upper half from Rock River.  Got this message.  Not sure if it is annual maintenance or driven by current events.

Due to website maintenance and software updates, ordering will be disabled and unavailable on this website until Wednesday morning, Dec. 26, 2012.
We apologize for an inconvenience, and thank you for your understanding.

It's most likely caused by a combination of current events and Christmas.

I just had a conversation with a dealer friend of mine.  Here's how bad and panicky it is:   Wednesday, Davidson's, one of the largest suppliers of firearms, opened their warehouse for shipping at 8 a.m.   They had to shut down their order systems at 9 a.m. because they simply cannot fulfill orders as fast as they're coming in.

Combine that type of volume with the fact that some people actually want to celebrate Christmas, and you'll have 4 days of uninterrupted panic-buying to deal with when you come back on the 26th.   That would put the staff so far behind that they might not be able to recover.

The Professor
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nimzy88 on December 22, 2012, 02:04:28 PM
At our range we sell mostly reload so ammo hasn't been the issue. THe most difficult thing to find out there right now seems to be P-Mags. They will be the premium as they are most likely to be the first thing banned.

That being said all of our black rifles from Sigs to Rock River and Daniel are sold out.  Thats Vegas. I talked to my dad in Wisconsin and all the AR's there seem to have disappeared.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Rayray250 on December 22, 2012, 05:25:54 PM
I was at our local Gander Mountain today and the only centerfire rifle ammo on the shelf was 30-06. Everything else was gone.

All the handgun ammo was pretty well picked over.

Tried to contact a gunsmith at our local indoor range and he had been moved to sales indefinitely because they had so many customers. 

What's folk's opinion on the landscape going forward?  I know after the election I thought the panicky folks would burn out and things would normalize. 

Thisseems different to me.  I can't see prices leveling out or inventories coming back for a while.  I know a lot of guys who drug their feet on buying an AR and now are ready to pay 2k for one so I think even after they get another round of restocking done it will come off the shelves just as fast.  Ammo the same.

What do you guys think?

All the TV says is people want gun legislation yet gun stores are bursting at the seems.....
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on December 22, 2012, 05:33:11 PM
I was at our local Gander Mountain today and the only centerfire rifle ammo on the shelf was 30-06. Everything else was gone.

You've got to be kidding, all but 30-06?  I wonder why that wasn't that taken up too?  Gander Mountain must stock odd calibers that wouldn't be as sought after as 30-06.  But, regardless, all, really?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Brownlow on December 22, 2012, 06:05:11 PM
I was out to Walmart yesterday. They were pretty empty on ammo. I guess people are buying because they think it's going up in price next year.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexasGirl on December 22, 2012, 07:08:14 PM
Just talked to a friend that works the Houston gun shows.

Today, .223/5.56 ammo was selling for about $1/ round in case quantities.  Same for 9 mm JHP and .40 JHP.  Stripped AR 15 lowers (that were $100-$125 last week) were selling for $500+.  Complete AR's anywhere from $2,000-$3,000.  P-mags $85, USGI mags (new in plastic) $75 each.  Glock hi-capacity mags...  well, there went any.

Wishing now I had waited a few weeks to sell my rifle...

~TG
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on December 22, 2012, 07:16:27 PM
Wishing now I had waited a few weeks to sell my rifle...

Wait!, what, you sold your rifle?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cheryl1 on December 22, 2012, 07:26:20 PM
Why would you sell a rifle? Did you need to buy a kidney? :o
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Ragnar on December 22, 2012, 08:20:03 PM
I was in the Cabela's  in North West AR. (Not a huge population area) on Wed and there was still 223 Ammo and some higher $ AR's on the shelf.  They had a good amount about 40%of what they normally carry in the bulk ammo section for 223.

Today... Nada, nothing, not one single round of 223 or AR. 

Buddy owns a shop where they just started building custom AR's a little while back... They are out of everything and now placing order for delivery in June... Yep June on barrels and parts they need for assembly.  Now they have an allotment coming to them every month or at least they are suppose to but the supply chain was already stretched to get part from the places he deals with so he will have to stick with his allotment that he is already suppose to get.

Another buddy who lives in AtL went to a gun show today and was telling me he got there an hour after it started and the building was full and the line was around the building with a estimated 2 hour wait until the first person in line would be able to get in. So he left and went to a local big gun store and it was basically the same story.

I wonder how much has actually been sold in the last week.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on December 22, 2012, 08:23:29 PM
...Wishing now I had waited a few weeks to sell my rifle...
   :o What does "sell my rilfle" mean? Those three words together in that order make no sense.  ;)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on December 22, 2012, 08:31:09 PM
  ::) What does "sell my rilfle" mean? Those three words together in that order make no sense.  ;)

Yoda speak?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on December 23, 2012, 05:20:37 AM
I was in academy 4 days ago, and the gun and ammo section looked like a rock concert. 5.56 and 223 were gone, same with 308, 7.62x39, 9mm, 45acp, and 40s&w. There were a couple boxes each of 380, 10mm, and 5.45x39. This store usually has a total of 40,000 rounds of the above mentioned rifle calibers total. Stocks of ammo that is usually only chambered in bolt actions, lever guns, and revolvers looked a little less than normal, except for 30-30 which was gone, but they normally didn't stock that to deep anyway.

AR and AK mags were gone, same with glock and sig mags. They normally didn't have much else in stock. All the centerfire semiauto rifles were gone, pistol supplies looked good, except for glocks were sold out, right down to the display guns.

Friday morning at srt training, the srt commander told me to get 3000 rounds each of 223 and 40s&w, all our normal sources were sold out, and wouldn't even guess as to when they may be able to fill that type of order. I sent for a quote through a distributor who only sells ammo to agencies, but haven't heard back.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on December 23, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
AKs and AR's are gone. Ditto mags.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Veritas on December 25, 2012, 08:38:06 AM
   :o What does "sell my rilfle" mean? Those three words together in that order make no sense.  ;)

DITTO   :stop: :stop: :stop: :stop:
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on December 25, 2012, 02:34:04 PM
Ya'll might just be poking fun.  But selling a gun might be a step toward financial freedom for someone.  Eliminating debt is something every prepper should do.  I paid off my last bill when I sold my AR, ironically, on the morning of election day.    I told myself I would get another one down the road with cash.  It was time to grow up and take care of the family.  Yeah, I'm sorta kicking myself.  There's no way any of us could have known about Sandy Hook.  But no debt is a great thing to enjoy also.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: RacinRob on December 25, 2012, 07:36:59 PM
I've regretted selling just about every gun I have ever sold.  I have decided not to sell anymore.  I do trades from time to time though.

On topic.  The ammo thing threw me for a loop this time.  I put back some primers since that is what I couldn't get in '08, this time I can't put my hands on any bullets.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on December 25, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
Selling now might put some cash in your pocket to put toward other preps (assuming you have enough guns to not miss selling one)

I have been seriously thinking of off loading a few Pmags because of all this craziness.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on December 25, 2012, 08:11:37 PM
Selling now might put some cash in your pocket to put toward other preps (assuming you have enough guns to not miss selling one)

I have been seriously thinking of off loading a few Pmags because of all this craziness.

If pmags get to $150. I could part with a few...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexasGirl on December 25, 2012, 09:52:44 PM
Oh, this is cool.  I'm cleaning out the upstairs and see a couple of Victoria Secret bags in the corner, you know, the pink candy stripe ones with the hot pink tissue paper sticking out?  So what makes that so exciting?  Well, there's a dozen loaded mags in it!  Wow, this week that's worth $1,300.  Seems like back when they were put there (6 mo ago?) it cost about $200., ammo and all. 

Too bad I don't have those guns anymore, but I'm sure someone will want the mags before they are banned.

~TG
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on December 26, 2012, 04:54:37 PM
Oh, this is cool.  I'm cleaning out the upstairs and see a couple of Victoria Secret bags in the corner, you know, the pink candy stripe ones with the hot pink tissue paper sticking out?  So what makes that so exciting?  Well, there's a dozen loaded mags in it!  Wow, this week that's worth $1,300.  Seems like back when they were put there (6 mo ago?) it cost about $200., ammo and all. 

Too bad I don't have those guns anymore, but I'm sure someone will want the mags before they are banned.

~TG
Yep, in times like these it just makes sense to sell off these expensive safe-queens so you can stock up on important stuff.  I've made a few sales myself.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 11 Bravo on December 27, 2012, 06:40:13 AM
My usually very well stocked Wally World is cleaned out and hasn't been restocked for a couple weeks....
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Melting on December 27, 2012, 06:48:45 AM
I'm not seeing any shortages of ammo, despite Obama winning re-election.  I think manufactures geared up big time for higher production.

What are you guys seeing?  I don't want to go out and buy a bunch of ammo when I don't need to.

Thoughts?

What a difference a few weeks can make.

I guess we both needed to. I was so busy stocking up on 9 and .380, that I got caught with only a couple hundred 6.8 when the balloon went up. :-(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on December 28, 2012, 05:20:47 AM
Yep, in times like these it just makes sense to sell off these expensive safe-queens so you can stock up on important stuff.  I've made a few sales myself.

I hear what you're saying, but it seems that the guns that people regret the most are the ones that they sold, not the ones they didn't purchase.  So while I've considered selling a gun or two, I keep thinking they would be better served as barter if the time should come.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on December 28, 2012, 09:46:08 AM
I hear what you're saying, but it seems that the guns that people regret the most are the ones that they sold, not the ones they didn't purchase.  So while I've considered selling a gun or two, I keep thinking they would be better served as barter if the time should come.

If Feinstein's proposed bill goes through, there will be a lot of people selling firearm's who don't want to apply for the $200 tax stamp on each AW they own.  Thus floody the market with rifles, which means great deals for those that do want to pay for the tax stamp. . . .  This is a good time to build a savings account so that you can jump on this opportunity.

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Requires owners of existing “assault weapons” to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act (NFA). The NFA imposes a $200 tax per firearm, and requires an owner to submit photographs and fingerprints to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), to inform the BATFE of the address where the firearm will be kept, and to obtain the BATFE’s permission to transport the firearm across state lines.

http://nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2012/feinstein-goes-for-broke-with-new-gun-ban-bill.aspx
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on December 28, 2012, 01:07:05 PM


Still not seeing much .22LR here in my town.  Wally world is out (both of them), Dunham's is out, Dick's did just got some in, but I bet they are out by the weekend.

dunhams had 7.62x39mm, plenty actually....no .223 or 5.56.   I'd say other than .22, .223 and 5.56, you can find it easily ....maybe not what you are regularly buying, but its there.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on December 28, 2012, 01:27:40 PM
Quote
If Feinstein's proposed bill goes through, there will be a lot of people selling firearm's who don't want to apply for the $200 tax stamp on each AW they own.  Thus floody the market with rifles, which means great deals for those that do want to pay for the tax stamp. . . .  This is a good time to build a savings account so that you can jump on this opportunity.


Very interesting theory.  I hope you are right. Typically, a surplus of product on the market leads to lower prices.  Do you all think this will apply in this case?  Some folks might be anxious to dump their hardware, but some of us might be anxious to purchase also.  I'd say this might be tough to predict.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cep89 on December 28, 2012, 05:32:51 PM
I was at Bass pro shop, they were totally out of 9mm,  12ga 00 buck, bricks of 22lr.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bolomark on December 28, 2012, 05:46:34 PM
went to a local shop today,(issaquah) they usually have ar's, shotguns,pistols and some hunting rifles and a small section for ammo mostly a black gun shop.
ar's were all gone,so were shotguns but i was surprised when i looked in the pistol case's xd's ,glocks ,sigs ,ect were still there.
this is a small shop usually only  4 feet of isle devoted to ammo.and some cases on the two isle end caps.
ammo was real low. Price were  avg.
 no 9 mm. a couple of bricks of 22lr .308  half a dozen boxes left .
45 auto was all fmj left 5 boxes
surprised they had plenty of 44 mag so i lowered their inventory a couple of boxes on that.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: RacinRob on December 28, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
If Feinstein's proposed bill goes through, there will be a lot of people selling firearm's who don't want to apply for the $200 tax stamp on each AW they own.  Thus floody the market with rifles, which means great deals for those that do want to pay for the tax stamp. . . .  This is a good time to build a savings account so that you can jump on this opportunity.

http://nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2012/feinstein-goes-for-broke-with-new-gun-ban-bill.aspx

Not really because of this section:

Prohibits the transfer of “assault weapons.” Owners of other firearms, including those covered by the NFA, are permitted to sell them or pass them to heirs. However, under Feinstein’s new bill, “assault weapons” would remain with their current owners until their deaths, at which point they would be forfeited to the government.

They would become worthless because you can't sell them.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: atherts on December 28, 2012, 08:40:46 PM
I was looking at holsters for the wife and both stores were out of 223, 9mm and 40. Small amounts of 22 and a decent amount of game loads and target loads.

My wife gave me a Lone Wolf 9mm barrel for my G27 and I can't find any magazine for the G26 to use with it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on December 28, 2012, 09:20:41 PM
Not really because of this section:

Prohibits the transfer of “assault weapons.” Owners of other firearms, including those covered by the NFA, are permitted to sell them or pass them to heirs. However, under Feinstein’s new bill, “assault weapons” would remain with their current owners until their deaths, at which point they would be forfeited to the government.

They would become worthless because you can't sell them.

True . . .  I guess I'm counting on some kind of grace period where people will be given time to get their ducks in a row.  It will certainly take some time for everyone to get their paperwork in order if they plan to keep them. 

Any way you look at it we're probably all screwed in the end.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on December 28, 2012, 10:07:35 PM
I think Nelson is on to something.  The verbiage of the bill might prohibit the transfer, but I expect a significant frenzy of buying and selling right BEFORE the bill passes (while is is still legal).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Luvmy45 on December 28, 2012, 10:14:34 PM
They have us all talking like this is about to go into effect... in essence, they haven't even introduced the legislation and we are all talking about how we are going live after it's passed, like they have won.

Talk about putting the cart in front of the horse... ???

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on December 28, 2012, 10:20:49 PM
They have us all talking like this is about to go into effect... in essence, they haven't even introduced the legislation and we are all talking about how we are going live after it's passed, like they have won.

Talk about putting the cart in front of the horse... ???

Are we?  Or are we simply expressing our concern, our outrage, and some thoughts on how to live with it in the even that it does pass?  Nothing wrong with preperation in figuring out a way to make it hurt less while at the same time you share how to help prevent it.  I figure it's better than just sitting around and watching it happen and doing nothing.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Luvmy45 on December 28, 2012, 10:49:37 PM
I guess I'm just not hearing the outrage in what I'm reading... and I know forums are a terrible place to interpret emotions...

In my mind, the whole registration thing is a red herring anyway, they float it out there, listen to the outrage, hopefully, and then pull it off the table, but pass the rest and tells us that they were listening to us... see we compromised and didn't make you register your existing guns, only new ones... aren't we good to you?

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on December 28, 2012, 10:55:03 PM
I guess I'm just not hearing the outrage in what I'm reading... and I know forums are a terrible place to interpret emotions...

In my mind, the whole registration thing is a red herring anyway, they float it out there, listen to the outrage, hopefully, and then pull it off the table, but pass the rest and tells us that they were listening to us... see we compromised and didn't make you register your existing guns, only new ones... aren't we good to you?

This particular thread has three pages to sift through and is probably not the right topic for voicing the felt outrage over an AWB.  There are many other threads here that do.  Hopefully they read those.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on December 28, 2012, 11:01:59 PM
Yep, let's get back on topic here. This thread is about ammo shortages, not AWB or any other legislation. As mentioned, there are other threads for that topic.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on December 28, 2012, 11:15:52 PM
Yep, let's get back on topic here. This thread is about ammo shortages, not AWB or any other legislation. As mentioned, there are other threads for that topic.

That said, I visited my local Cabela's today and they still have tons of misc ammo on the shelf.  I even found a couple boxes of Hornady .338 Cal 285g BTHP Match bullets.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SteveandTracyinKY on December 29, 2012, 12:58:02 AM
When I was gathering my stuff for a trapping trip recently there were signs in almost every sporting goods store I went to that basically all said "No .223 guns or ammo". It was amazing. I had a hard time even finding descent .22 ammo.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on December 29, 2012, 07:53:35 AM
They have us all talking like this is about to go into effect... in essence, they haven't even introduced the legislation and we are all talking about how we are going live after it's passed, like they have won.

Talk about putting the cart in front of the horse... ???

Bingo!!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: A Pawn on December 29, 2012, 10:39:29 AM
I was up at my local Wally World early last Sunday morning and cruised by the ammo case on the off chance of finding ammo. Bingo! Lady was putting four 100 count boxes of Federal .223 on the shelf of the glass case, and at $34.95 at box!!! Thirty seconds later they were out of .223 again..  ;) Oh the joys of shopping before the sun rises!...

Oh, by the way. She had also just stocked several 5 count boxes of Military 00 buck for $4.49 each!....Many found a good home that day...

See you on the other side...  8)

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: badey on December 29, 2012, 02:59:16 PM
My local Walmart has plenty of ammo, as does my local Dick's.  Walmart's prices have actually dropped over the past 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Burton on December 29, 2012, 03:03:57 PM
Local gun show this weekend wanted 1$ per .223 round :o
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: backwoods_engineer on December 29, 2012, 04:17:05 PM
Local gun store is rationing .223 at (2) 50-round boxes per customer.  This from their Facebook page.  Price not specified.  I am not buying until it calms down. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on December 29, 2012, 05:54:33 PM
I just got back from one of our area's larger black rifle gun stores and thanks to a gun show being in town this weekend, it was actually sane and you could get in without waiting in line for the first time in a long time.  They're fine on ammo, but they didn't have any super cheap stuff.  Remington 9mm going for $150/500, which isn't really that bad for new brass in a retail store.  They were out of high performance 9mm rounds.

They had a decent amount of Pmags, but were limiting it to five per customer and were charging an inflated $22/mag.  Not scalping, but definitely inflated.

They had hundreds of ARs and AKs on the shelves, but all of them were already sold.  They're just waiting for background checks, which are now over seven days backlogged.  They said they're still getting ARs and AKs in on regular shipments and are selling first come, first served every morning when they open.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: lowland farmer on December 30, 2012, 10:01:28 AM
I'm not seeing any shortages of ammo, despite Obama winning re-election.  I think manufactures geared up big time for higher production.

What are you guys seeing?  I don't want to go out and buy a bunch of ammo when I don't need to.

Thoughts?

I just ordered 2,000 rounds of AK ammo (though I have plenty) and learned it will be March 18 before they have it in stock again. I have plenty of 30 round mags but wanted a couple 20 round "tanker" mags for my SBR Krink, as I carry it concealed sometimes (legally) and the 20 round mags are lighter and easier to keep hid under a coat, but the price of mags are waaaaay up and there are no Bulgarian tanker mags for sale, just plastic crap. I have a few ten round steel mags that will do.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: oley454 on December 30, 2012, 03:21:08 PM
In WI the "assault rifle" calibers are hit or miss along with 9mm and 45.  However oddball calibers are still in stock.  Prices are also creeping up.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on December 30, 2012, 04:32:06 PM
All AR and AK varients are GONE. The AK pistols have gone up $150 from century arms at Fleet Farm. I am waiting to hear back at the loacl one as I was going to purchase one, but they did not have anyone that could do handgun sales working that late. Went back next afternoon, and they jacked the gun up $170. I was the only person that had asked about the gun(they could not do a hold). Anyway, hoping they sell it to me for the regular price Monday.

Ammo was fully stocked, and much was onsale. They had a whole new shelf setup with 750 round tins of Russian and Cineese ammo in both AR (3 sizes) and AK.

No magazines over 10 rounds, for ANYTHING.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on December 30, 2012, 04:37:19 PM
Starting to see primers being affected here locally.  Common primers are getting slim but "small rifle" primers are gone.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: sirosisofliver on December 31, 2012, 10:28:32 AM
In Nebraska the WalMarts are sold out of .223, and in some stores the 7.62x39 is gone.  I ran across 2k rds of 5.56 in a small shop, bought all of it as it was still old pricing.  Cabelas in Omaha was out of bulk .223 & 5.56, expensive stuff still here and there.  I am sure more supply will be hitting the shelves by spring.  NoDak arms is NOT raising prices yet on ammo and magazines.  Bulk Ammo had 1000rd .223 for $599.....for a few hours.  I think reloading is my top skill to learn for the 13 in 13!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on December 31, 2012, 12:18:59 PM
my local sportsmans is bare... unless you want a bolt action or shotgun don't even bother. most 22 variant ammo is gone, no 9mm - even in SD rounds. no 223, some 45, didn't look at 40.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on December 31, 2012, 01:34:05 PM
Judging from the post here, it looks like it is localised as to where shortage are, at least for ammo. The only place I see any gouging is on armslist. But, no one is paying the premium. Same overpriced guns relisted every few days.

I did find a new AR in .22 fully built out for about $700 at a store. Could that be re chambered into a more usefull round?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: habanero on December 31, 2012, 01:45:30 PM
http://ammoseek.com/?from=resultspage&gun=rifle&cal=113&grains=0&mfg=&keywords=&sortby=cpr&.submit=Search

This is a great site to find ammo of all calibers.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on December 31, 2012, 03:19:24 PM
http://ammoseek.com/?from=resultspage&gun=rifle&cal=113&grains=0&mfg=&keywords=&sortby=cpr&.submit=Search

This is a great site to find ammo of all calibers.

+1 . . .  Great tool.  I've never seen this before.  Thank you
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bolomark on December 31, 2012, 05:09:54 PM
Went to my local gun shop its a two location business. one that just sells retail,  the other with a shop and large indoor range.
I checked their website last night found they had G23 DE been looking for one for a while.called them up at 6:30pm they said the had a couple left.
I got over their right when it opened up,walked out 30 minutes later with one,ammo was surprisingly well stocked they even had cases.I asked the sales man and he said everyone is just waiting for the distributors to move it off their shipping docks. (will see)
they said the buying madness is slowing,and they still had a couple of AR lowers on the wall,might make it one less on the wall.
Was also surprised at everyone waiting in line to use the heated indoor range when it's 30 degrees out( :o). it would probably be a good business around here with all the rain and grey we get.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 01, 2013, 11:45:33 AM
I'm discovering that there's some real advantages to .30 carbine that I never saw coming.  I can still get 1,000 rounds for under $500 for now.  I just can't believe what has happened to 5.56 ammo prices in the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 01, 2013, 12:05:19 PM
I'm discovering that there's some real advantages to .30 carbine that I never saw coming.  I can still get 1,000 rounds for under $500 for now.  I just can't believe what has happened to 5.56 ammo prices in the last few weeks.

Seeing the same.

Even before this started happening (many, many months before), I determined that it wasn't worth the cost of supplies or my time to reload if I could buy .223/5.56 ammo below $350/1000.  We're well above that now and will probably never see ammo costs that low again.  That said, I'm not seeing the cost of bullets, casing's, primers, or powder going up like ammo is (yet).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Rayray250 on January 01, 2013, 12:32:14 PM
I have thought the same Endurance.

When I saw our local gander mountain wiped out save for .22 lr and 30-06.  I guess having common calibers is not working out here as everyone with these same calibers were shopping hard!

I also thought, it only takes the thought of scarcity to promote panic buying. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LdMorgan on January 01, 2013, 01:33:47 PM
I hit more than 100 websites last night looking for .308 Winchester ammo.

Except for a very few that still had a few overpriced (some as high as $60.00/ 20 rds.) boxes, the message was the same: Sold Out--No Back Order.

Not even Midway USA has .308.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on January 01, 2013, 01:38:49 PM
I hit more than 100 websites last night looking for .308 Winchester ammo.

Except for a very few that still had a few overpriced (some as high as $60.00/ 20 rds.) boxes, the message was the same: Sold Out--No Back Order.

Not even Midway USA has .308.
Bulk ammo has some right now. Maybe gone in a few hours if you dont order some.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 01, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
I hit more than 100 websites last night looking for .308 Winchester ammo.

Except for a very few that still had a few overpriced (some as high as $60.00/ 20 rds.) boxes, the message was the same: Sold Out--No Back Order.

Not even Midway USA has .308.

I found some .308 ammo just a few minutes ago on Cabela's website, and for much less $$ than you mention.  Some of the brands and bullet type/size are not what I would normally buy, but begger's can't be chooser's.

And there are tons of .308 ammo components available for reloading your own.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 01, 2013, 05:36:43 PM
I found some .308 ammo just a few minutes ago on Cabela's website, and for much less $$ than you mention.  Some of the brands and bullet type/size are not what I would normally buy, but begger's can't be chooser's.

And there are tons of .308 ammo components available for reloading your own.

I'm newly into reloading (as one of my 13 skills), and am having difficulty acquiring all the dies/shellplates I want due to the frenzied horde nabbing everything I just had the bad-luck of trying to get right now.  But you're right... I've seen plenty of brass, powder, and bullets... although primers seem pretty thin right now in the 3 local places I've looked.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 02, 2013, 05:20:04 PM
I was traveling for the final 2+ weeks of 2012, just as the Sandy Hook tragedy happened. I did not have a chance to stock up on ammo and now it seems like I missed the boat.

I received two Academy gift cards for Xmas and tried to buy some ammo. There was not a single box of .223 available and I noticed that there were no AR magazines and no AR's in the rack. Really, this has gotten out of control.

I am now happy that I bought my AR just after the election and got approximately 200 rounds of .223 prior to 10/14. But, I am now reluctant to go to the range and put more than 50 rounds through the new weapon for fear that this ammo shortage will last for some time.

Seriously, this blows a hole in the theory that commonly available calibers is the way to go. If everyone wants .223, then .223 will be the first to fly off the shelves. This also blows my belief that the stores cannot be cleaned out in anything less than a full blown crisis. There is nothing on the shelves and we are not in collapse mode. It has me rethinking a lot of my preps.

Thankfully, I have plenty of 9 mm and shotgun shells. I did not look at those for availability today. Maybe I should have.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 02, 2013, 05:39:48 PM
Seriously, this blows a hole in the theory that commonly available calibers is the way to go. If everyone wants .223, then .223 will be the first to fly off the shelves. This also blows my belief that the stores cannot be cleaned out in anything less than a full blown crisis. There is nothing on the shelves and we are not in collapse mode. It has me rethinking a lot of my preps.

I'm sure many have varied opinions on the reasons for consolidating to commonly available calibers.  A few of my reasons are . . 
Any scenario that will give way to common calibers flying off the shelves will also take uncommon calibers.  And uncommon will probably be gone first, simply because there is less on the shelf to begin with.

When people are hoarding particular types of ammo and the day comes that you find you can't get ammo anymore, if I've failed to stock up myself, my hope will be that I have a rifle that uses the ammo that was hoarded the most.

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Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on January 02, 2013, 07:40:52 PM
Seriously, this blows a hole in the theory that commonly available calibers is the way to go. If everyone wants .223, then .223 will be the first to fly off the shelves. This also blows my belief that the stores cannot be cleaned out in anything less than a full blown crisis. There is nothing on the shelves and we are not in collapse mode. It has me rethinking a lot of my preps.

I think the better reason for commonly available calibers is the price of stocking up is lower. I think in a real shtf, you better already have what you need.

I probably have 2000 or more rounds of 5.56/.223 ammo, and I won't be firing it until I know I can make or get more.

Thankfully, I have an AR upper in 5.45x39 which I have over 10,000 rounds of, and I have a 22LR conversion kit and 40-50,000 rounds of 22LR so for the duration of the ammo shortage these will be what I am using.

As a matter of fact, I can't find a bolt for my latest AR build, so the 22LR kit will serve as the bolt for that weapon until I can find a BCG.

I've learned a lesson on building ARs, I got caught with a few barrels, some stripped lowers, but without any upper parts. I tend to buy in bulk when I get stuff on sale, but can't build a complete rifle despite having what some people would consider a great collection of parts. In the future I will be more moderate in my bulk purchases and spread them out. The bright side is that I have sold enough stuff to pay for my dream rifle.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mike77 on January 02, 2013, 10:29:51 PM
Stopped by two area Wal-Marts today to look at the ammo selection. The first was out of all 9mm, .380 and .223. They were low on .22LR and .38SPL, but had a fair amount of everything else including shotgun ammo. The second had 2 boxes of 9mm FMJ left and were low on .22LR, and .380. Out of .223 but a good inventory of everything else. I should have bought some of the shotgun shells or .22LR while there. Tomorrow I guess.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on January 02, 2013, 10:47:21 PM
My Walmart was all out of .22LR, 9mm, .40, .223, 30-30 and a few others.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 03, 2013, 06:12:23 AM
Except for reloading supplies, makes me glad I got various needs/wants taken care of prior to this mess.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: lowland farmer on January 03, 2013, 07:28:59 AM
Except for reloading supplies, makes me glad I got various needs/wants taken care of prior to this mess.

Yep. Always buy what you need NOW. Most of my ammo was bought when it was $60/1,000 rds. Firearms training is also something that should be taken care of now. Expect it to be banned. Buy your long-term storage food NOW. Freeze-dried food is now three times what it was when I bought four years' worth (for three people). You will save money and you will HAVE it when you need it. As for reloading, I've been reloading .44 mag. and .45ACP stuff for decades, but someday reloading will be banned too. If not, the prices will go up, so buy it now and save (actually, you should have bought it before the rush and today's high prices!).

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 03, 2013, 08:00:18 AM
Most of my ammo was bought when it was $60/1,000 rds.

How old are you  ;)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 03, 2013, 08:52:37 AM
I went to the range the other day and while I usually just blow through a couple hundred rounds and worry about back stocking until I'm ready to order another 1,000, this time I decided to pay the inflated prices to keep my cache topped off.  I'm not sure if this is wise or contrary to common sense.  I've seen all kinds of new legislation and nothing I've seen indicates that ammunition supplies are in jeopardy in the long run, everything seems like a supply and demand issue.

I could sure save myself a lot of money if I'd just be patient and wait six or nine months to resupply when 9mm is back under $200/1,000 (I generally pay around $180/1,000 for reloads, which is why I don't reload myself).  Now the cheapest I'm finding is $238/1,000 and it's backordered for 1-2 months.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 03, 2013, 09:00:15 AM
I went to the range the other day and while I usually just blow through a couple hundred rounds and worry about back stocking until I'm ready to order another 1,000, this time I decided to pay the inflated prices to keep my cache topped off.  I'm not sure if this is wise or contrary to common sense.  I've seen all kinds of new legislation and nothing I've seen indicates that ammunition supplies are in jeopardy in the long run, everything seems like a supply and demand issue.

I could sure save myself a lot of money if I'd just be patient and wait six or nine months to resupply when 9mm is back under $200/1,000 (I generally pay around $180/1,000 for reloads, which is why I don't reload myself).  Now the cheapest I'm finding is $238/1,000 and it's backordered for 1-2 months.

I agree with you endurance, but I think this resupply will take longer than the last time we had supply issues and I don't think we'll see prices like we are used to for a very long time, if ever. . . .  Which could have nothing to do with any gun ban and everything to do with current and future costs of doing business.  We may even see some companies closing doors again and when competition goes away, so does lower prices.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on January 03, 2013, 09:28:27 AM
Quote
I could sure save myself a lot of money if I'd just be patient and wait six or nine months to resupply when 9mm is back under $200/1,000 (I generally pay around $180/1,000 for reloads, which is why I don't reload myself).  Now the cheapest I'm finding is $238/1,000 and it's backordered for 1-2 months.

I purchased reloading supplies years ago and practiced the skill/hobby, not due to the prices of ammo at the time, but for the prices of ammo in the future.  I purchased the press and supplies at "yesterday's prices".

I recently found a few boxes of .40 cal (qty 50 rounds) in the back of my storage with price tags of $5.95.  I must have purchased those in the late 90s!  I miss those days.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 03, 2013, 09:31:45 AM
I agree with you endurance, but I think this resupply will take longer than the last time we had supply issues and I don't think we'll see prices like we are used to for a very long time, if ever. . . .  Which could have nothing to do with any gun ban and everything to do with current and future costs of doing business.  We may even see some companies closing doors again and when competition goes away, so does lower prices.
I'm kind of seeing the opposite, with more folks who own a Dillon 550 deciding that chunking out 500-600 rounds an hour isn't a bad way to make a little money on the side as long as the prices are high.  It might not be worth it to them when 5.56 is selling for $350/1,000, but at $850/1,000 there's a pretty nice profit in there for them.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 03, 2013, 09:33:55 AM
I'm kind of seeing the opposite, with more folks who own a Dillon 550 deciding that chunking out 500-600 rounds an hour isn't a bad way to make a little money on the side as long as the prices are high.  It might not be worth it to them when 5.56 is selling for $350/1,000, but at $850/1,000 there's a pretty nice profit in there for them.

Which still supports at least part of my post.  They won't be able to compete unless they ask more for it . . .  Prices are going up boys.
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Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 03, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
Makes me wish I'd invested in a brass mine.  ;)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: backwoods_engineer on January 03, 2013, 01:54:03 PM
Woohoo!  I got in on a group buy of a drum of .223 (I think that's 13,600 rounds), and I am getting 2K rounds at 30 cents per round!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 03, 2013, 02:16:49 PM
Woohoo!  I got in on a group buy of a drum of .223 (I think that's 13,600 rounds), and I am getting 2K rounds at 30 cents per round!

Seems like yesterday that was the retail price when bought in commercial 20 round cardboard boxes :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: backwoods_engineer on January 03, 2013, 03:36:13 PM
Seems like yesterday that was the retail price when bought in commercial 20 round cardboard boxes :(

Yeah, I know.  I hope it will go down, but I just can't see it with the prospect of a civil war on the horizon...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 03, 2013, 04:27:33 PM
Woohoo!  I got in on a group buy of a drum of .223 (I think that's 13,600 rounds), and I am getting 2K rounds at 30 cents per round!
Seems like yesterday that was the retail price when bought in commercial 20 round cardboard boxes :(

It was just a year ago I paid that price (.30 a piece) for buying 1000 rounds and it came with a brand new metal 50mm ammo can.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 03, 2013, 05:19:08 PM
Living less than an hour north of an Army base (JBLM) I had taken for granted spent brass, pulled bullets and even mil surp powder would always be in supply locally for me.
In early november I could get 1000 62gr 5.56 bullet (not rounds) for $60. 

Nothing but crickets when I email these dudes now...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: lowland farmer on January 03, 2013, 07:20:04 PM
How old are you  ;)

That's what Wolf AK ammo was selling for at Sportman's Guide around 2003 to 2006 ($60 to $70/1,000 rds). Cheap ammo was the main reason I went with AKs. I just ordered 2,000 rds from them at $220/1,000, even though I have plenty. I will not post how much I have, but I will never run out. :)



Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 03, 2013, 09:54:24 PM
That's what Wolf AK ammo was selling for at Sportman's Guide around 2003 to 2006 ($60 to $70/1,000 rds). Cheap ammo was the main reason I went with AKs. I just ordered 2,000 rds from them at $220/1,000, even though I have plenty. I will not post how much I have, but I will never run out. :)

Ahhhh . . .  I assumed it was .223 or 5.56
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: frjoeb on January 04, 2013, 02:18:13 PM
I live in a smaller town in North Florida.  Our Wal-Mart has been out of 9mm and .22 since before Christmas.  They say they don't know when they are going to get them back in.  I bought the last box of .30/30 at Christmas and they haven't gotten those in either. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on January 04, 2013, 04:59:33 PM
Stopped by the local shop today.  Not one semi auto in stock except a used AK with a 1K price tag.  Ammo was available, but 2 box per customer limit.  Reloading supplies fully in stock.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 04, 2013, 05:48:41 PM
Ammo was available, but 2 box per customer limit.  Reloading supplies fully in stock.

Not a drop of .223 in Houston. Of course, I have not even tried to buy anything after my experience on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Luvmy45 on January 04, 2013, 07:04:13 PM
In the Idaho area, ammo is still on the shelf and available. 223 and 22 are hardest to find, but still available.

Personal defense ammo is available in every caliber on the shelf, and prices are not inflated. Powder and bullets are still on the shelf, but starting to thin... primers those are slim pickings as is new brass in popular calibers.

Shotgun ammo is plentiful.

Gun racks are full of hunting rifles and shotguns, there are AR's around and available, we have several local manufactures of AR's and they are making them as fast as they can, the speed at which the sell has tapered off from my perspective.

Mags are in short supply for just about everything at the retail stores... although Pmags and AR mags are still coming in and being sold.

Used ads for guns and ammo are crazy, people asking way too much, and people still paying for them, not realizing they can get what they want for less if they are just willing to put their name on a list and wait 1 to 4 weeks.

Location: Boise, Idaho
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Cedar on January 04, 2013, 07:49:32 PM
Stopped by a place that has guns for sale today and 10 people deep and 4 more arrived at the gun counter in this tiny store.

Cedar
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Roundabouts on January 04, 2013, 09:57:12 PM
Stopped by Bi Mart today they were out of 22LR .  Lady said they have no idea when they will get more the warehouse is bone dry. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TheMidwesterner on January 05, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
Stopped by Bi Mart today they were out of 22LR .  Lady said they have no idea when they will get more the warehouse is bone dry.

I  stopped by Cabela's this afternoon and found the .22LR shelves cleaned out.  There were a couple of boxes of the CCI Troy Landry 375 round bulk and maybe a dozen bricks of Winchester in the "commemorative" wood box (overpriced).  All of the online sellers also seem to be short/out of .22LR.  There seemed to be plenty of choices for other rimfire chamberings.

The 9mm shelf was also empty though they did have separate displays out for PMC Bronze FMJ @ $16/50, Herter's Brass FMJ at $14/50 and Herter's Aluminum TNJ @ $13/50 with plenty of stock of each.  No hollow points to be found.  .40 S&W and .45 ACP seemed to be less cleared out and there was plenty of choice and stock of .380.

I didn't bother to check the magazine aisle, but I did notice the empty AR rack and the handgun case seemed to be missing some of the usual options, though I wouldn't call it sparse.

There is a limit of 10 boxes of ammo per customer.

I did notice on Cabela's website that prices on bulk 9mm haven't gone up (some are actually down from the last time I checked), though it's all on backorder.

I guess dollar-cost-averaging applies to ammo as well - hoping things will calm down, I picked up some of the Herter's Brass and a box of the Aluminum to try out.  The aluminum cased stuff is light - seems like it might be a possible option for back country hiking/backpacking, though I'm not sure of the performance properties of the TNJ projectiles.  I'm sure it's better than a sharp stick.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BiggBake on January 05, 2013, 07:20:07 PM
Went to my local gun shop today and they had a fair amount of everything in stock.  It was morning, so they must have just replenished the shelves.  I was able to pick up 200 rnds of .223 and a box of 22LR.  Everywhere else in town is out.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Patriot:Ex Machina on January 06, 2013, 09:47:36 AM
Here in central North Carolina, (specifically Randolph County) the 2 closest Wal Marts are picked dry. The only thing left on the shelf at the Asheboro store is some .22-250 , a box of .243Win and some .17HMR.
The next closest is Randleman; they still had 12 gauge small game loads, .410 Gauge, and some .38 Special, as well as some less popular semi auto handgun rounds such as .357SIG.
I drove down to Montgomery County just about 35 minutes south,to their Wal Mart, and cleaned them out of all the .30-30 Winchester that they had.
Dear Montgomery Co., you're out of .30-30...you might want to see to that.
The local independent shops still have ammo, although it's going fast.
Just a bit higher than normal at the indy shops, but if you waited this long to get ammo, you have to accept this as the price you pay.
No .223/5.56NATO, 7.62x39mm, .308Win., or 9mm and .45ACP much at all.
I'm like most of you guys....glad I got what I have back when I did. Although I feel the need to buy any I find regardless.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: hillclimber on January 06, 2013, 10:28:45 AM
Ahhhh . . .  I assumed it was .223 or 5.56
Back in the late 90's, 7.62x39 and .556 were the same price. $79 per thousand. In some cases, free shipping. Anybody else remember the "milk cartons" of S+B 556 that were everywhere before Wolf got so common???
Those were the days.
Things up here in Maine are much the same. The ammo is around, but it's expensive and there's a limit on how much they are selling per customer.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on January 08, 2013, 03:50:33 PM
stopped at some gun stores today in Milwaukwee, Wi


was looking at for a Glock 23.... but with the current $650-700 price tags, I am going to wait
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on January 08, 2013, 04:22:38 PM


In my local Wal-Mart this morning early, 7AM or so.   Ammo still picked clean.   I asked the lady in sporting goods when she expected ANYTHING in.....oh, man the look I got.   LOL, I was glad SHE didn't have any ammo :).    She told me that the supplier said they will "get it when they get it...or not".

I just walked away and said thank you.   She was obviously not happy, I bet she's been asked that question a million times already.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Mexican_Hippie on January 08, 2013, 04:33:55 PM
My local Walmart was picked dry (I mean everything) except for 38SPL, 380 and shotgun ammo.

So I went outside to my garage and loaded up a couple hundred rounds of 300BLK for about $0.27 a piece, then I hit the range.

I just need to stock up on more primers before they get in short supply.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 08, 2013, 04:34:08 PM
I took the advice of Endurance and drove by a small gun shop (in a bad part of town on the way home from work - you bet I was carrying) and scored 2 Glock 19 magazines and 100 rounds of .223 (the max they would let me buy). The prices were OK given that I could not find either anywhere else.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Jack Crabb on January 08, 2013, 07:31:46 PM
The internet provider I buy ammo from had 138 half cases of .223 in the morning. By evening, 3 were left. That is 67,500 rounds of just that one flavor of .223 sold that day!

I recently ordered a full case of 9mm, a half case of 9mm, and a half case of .223. They arrived today. The FedEx deliveryman remarked that he was surprised one could still buy ammo with all the goings on in DC. My receptionist informed him that is why I was buying it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mike77 on January 08, 2013, 08:27:35 PM
One of the local Walmarts received a shipment last night. When I went in about mid morning they had a couple dozen boxes of Federal 9mm FMJ and a few of the Remington UMC 250rd boxes. There were still a number of empty spaces in the cabinet, but it didn't look too bad.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on January 08, 2013, 09:59:47 PM
I saw the first .22 since this started at Walmart. They had just come in, and there was only a dozen boxes of 350 rounds federal auto match. I got two for me and one for a friend. $13 each.
Saw two boxes of .223, buy it was expensive target stuff.
Location - CA.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on January 08, 2013, 10:39:44 PM
I saw the first .22 since this started at Walmart. They had just come in, and there was only a dozen boxes of 350 rounds federal auto match. I got two for me and one for a friend. $13 each.
Saw two boxes of .223, buy it was expensive target stuff.
Location - CA.

That's a good price these days.  For the last couple of years, our Walmart charges about $17 for a box of 350.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cgraves on January 09, 2013, 06:39:28 PM
I am the manager for the outdoor section of our local Dicks Sporting Goods.  We are primarily getting .22LR and .38 Special.  Mostly 10 boxes of each a week.  They typically will sell out by noon on the day we receive them.  Also,  today we got in our first boxes of .223 (5 boxes) and 9MMs since we pulled all ARs.  Gone within an hour. 

Interestingly, we have plenty of .45 on our shelves.  At least here in MS .45 is the only caliber that is relatively easy to find. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on January 09, 2013, 07:16:04 PM
I am the manager for the outdoor section of our local Dicks Sporting Goods.  We are primarily getting .22LR and .38 Special.  Mostly 10 boxes of each a week.  They typically will sell out by noon on the day we receive them.  Also,  today we got in our first boxes of .223 (5 boxes) and 9MMs since we pulled all ARs.  Gone within an hour. 

Interestingly, we have plenty of .45 on our shelves.  At least here in MS .45 is the only caliber that is relatively easy to find.
Do you get dibs on what you want before the goods are put on the shelf?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Luvmy45 on January 10, 2013, 04:47:30 PM
Local Cabela's here in Idaho had 9mm... tons of it, literally every aisle and 9mm ammo for 12.99/box They were just putting it on shelfs all over.

They also had 223 on the shelf, probably 4k to 5k in the 20rnd boxes and had 22 bulk packs, the 325 not the 525 but they were on the shelf.

Prices were normal for ammo.  Powder on the other hand was jacked up in price but there, and primers were running low.

Reloading supplies for dies/presses/brass/ and bullets were all on the shelf as well.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 10, 2013, 05:06:39 PM
I haven't found small pistol (non-magnum) primers for a long while.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 10, 2013, 05:40:27 PM
I looked on Bulkammo.com and they finally listed 1000 .223 rounds for $768, about double pre-crisis prices. Two hours later...gone. I think they had 21 units (21,000 rounds) available. Gone!!

Yikes folks. This is classic shortage behavior. We are in this for the long haul.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on January 10, 2013, 05:51:38 PM
I bought everything I could afford in early December. Wasn't because of the election, and I didn't have any inside knowledge of events to come, it just felt right at the time. Now part of me wishes I ordered double, but honestly that would have stretched finances a bit too much.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on January 11, 2013, 07:45:15 AM
I haven't found small pistol (non-magnum) primers for a long while.

I bought 5000 CCI small pistol primers as Natchezss yesterday.  Price was reasonable too.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 11, 2013, 09:47:34 AM
I bought 5000 CCI small pistol primers as Natchezss yesterday.  Price was reasonable too.

While I'm sincerely happy for you, they are sold out today :(


Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 11, 2013, 09:01:49 PM
Yeah...another 8000 rounds of .223 for sale on bulkammo.com....$770 per 1000. Not in my price range.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Big_Al on January 11, 2013, 09:14:20 PM
My local wallmart is well stocked in ammo of all types.  I spoke to the worker I've dealt with several times, and she and staff always submit for new orders from the distro center.  All the common calibers are well stocked.  This is an anomaly in lower Michigan, as I have been to several counties looking around.  They only had 1 scoped rifle, however.  The Meijers across the street are basically out.  Other places such as Gander Mountain are low.  It was weird to walk in to my local wallmart and see so much available.  I guess this community doesn't need any  ;).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Dante on January 11, 2013, 09:24:06 PM
So IL  & IN.  Shelves empty everywhere.  All dealers limiting purchases to 3 boxes as new shipments arrive. Typically sell out by noon on days shipments arrive. Prices up about 20%.  Gun sales up considerably.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on January 14, 2013, 10:51:22 AM
Most recent Big-5 ad has .223 "for sale" for over a buck a round.  Yeah... thanks but no thanks.  Are people really paying that much? Because maybe I'll sell some!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on January 14, 2013, 10:57:03 AM
Most recent Big-5 ad has .223 "for sale" for over a buck a round.  Yeah... thanks but no thanks.  Are people really paying that much? Because maybe I'll sell some!

Agreed.  For a buck a round I would be willing to part with some...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 14, 2013, 11:08:46 AM
Agreed.  For a buck a round I would be willing to part with some...

I wouldn't, but if I didn't already have the abilty to load my own, I would think that investing in a press and all, would be a good investment versus paying over a $1 a round for .223
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on January 14, 2013, 11:23:21 AM
Stopped by a rural wal mart. Only thing in the glass case was 2 high end boxes of 40, acouple boxes of 45 2 boxes of 380, and some old ball caliber stuff.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on January 14, 2013, 11:27:58 AM
I wouldn't, but if I didn't already have the abilty to load my own, I would think that investing in a press and all, would be a good investment versus paying over a $1 a round for .223

Guess that would depend on how much you have, and how much reloading supplies you have as well.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on January 14, 2013, 11:38:07 AM
I'm just saying we now have a choice between 00 Buckshot/slugs or .223 at about the same price point. Seems a bit silly.  But I like shotguns, so... there you go. Is anyone else moving towards the scattergun right now?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on January 14, 2013, 12:51:21 PM
I'm just saying we now have a choice between 00 Buckshot/slugs or .223 at about the same price point. Seems a bit silly.  But I like shotguns, so... there you go. Is anyone else moving towards the scattergun right now?


i bought some 00 and slugs for my shotgun. i didn't have any 12g rounds except for some bird shot so i figured while everyone else is buying 223 i'll take advantage of the shotty ammo. i found some pretty good deals on it as well.

i just got back from sportsmans to look at some boots and cruised by the gun area. they have limited sales of 'hi capacity' semi auto handguns to one per person, ammo is limited to three of the same sku. their reloading supplies are now almost nonexistent and they are limiting those sales as well.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 14, 2013, 03:41:45 PM
Apparently Walmart has issued a statement to it's managers that no further ammo (and perhaps some other items) is to be ordered.

After walking through Bass Pro after work, I'm starting to think they've decided the same thing.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on January 14, 2013, 03:51:04 PM
Apparently Walmart has issued a statement to it's managers that no further ammo (and perhaps some other items) is to be ordered.

After walking through Bass Pro after work, I'm starting to think they've decided the same thing.

I was going to ask if you have seen that in writing, but a quick online search turns up many of results on this.
This turns my stomach.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 14, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
In the rare event I gift I wanted to return, I have a habit of doing this at Wal-Mart and buying ammo with the store credit.
Guess that's all different going forward. 

These people and organizations aren't anti-gun, they are anti-gunowner.  I'm convinced they hate that we love freedom.

Sorry if I veered off topic.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 14, 2013, 05:44:24 PM
I'm going into conservation mode.  That means I'm not shooting my 5.56 carbine since I can't replace the ammo right now and I don't have an overabundance of ammo.  I'm doing more training with my .22 handgun and less with the 9mm.   Instead of shooting 150-200 rounds of 9mm in one trip to the range, I'll shoot 150-200 rounds of .22 and 50 rounds of 9mm.  I'm still finding 9mm around, albeit about 25% more expensive than I saw it just a few months ago.  If these prices stick around for more past spring, I'll consider buying at the inflated prices and just live with it.  Otherwise, I can't find 5.56 for less than $850 locally and I'm just not willing to pay more than about half that at the moment.  I've always trained more with handguns anyway, but this is just taking me further in that direction.

Down the road I'd rather have the surplus and not need it than wish I hadn't burned it up needlessly.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on January 14, 2013, 05:54:46 PM
All this crazy ammo shortage stuff makes me happy I got the .22 CMMG upper a few months back.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 14, 2013, 06:29:11 PM
I'm going into conservation mode.  That means I'm not shooting my 5.56 carbine since I can't replace the ammo right now and I don't have an overabundance of ammo.  I'm doing more training with my .22 handgun and less with the 9mm.   Instead of shooting 150-200 rounds of 9mm in one trip to the range, I'll shoot 150-200 rounds of .22 and 50 rounds of 9mm.  I'm still finding 9mm around, albeit about 25% more expensive than I saw it just a few months ago.  If these prices stick around for more past spring, I'll consider buying at the inflated prices and just live with it.  Otherwise, I can't find 5.56 for less than $850 locally and I'm just not willing to pay more than about half that at the moment.  I've always trained more with handguns anyway, but this is just taking me further in that direction.

Down the road I'd rather have the surplus and not need it than wish I hadn't burned it up needlessly.

I agree entirely. I can see 9 mm available on the Internet, but have not seen any in local stores. I got lucky and got 100 rounds of 5.56 (I thought it was .223 until I got home, but no matter, because I specifically purchased a M&P15 that could shoot .223/5.56). I only have 240 rounds of .223/5.56 so I am not going to shoot a single round until it can be replaced. I have lots of 9 mm, but am not going to shoot 200-300 rounds in a trip to the range until I can go to a local store and replace that amount. I'll have to pull out my .22 and practice more with it.

Eventually, eventually, eventually, people will stop buying at these ridiculous rates at these ridiculous prices and I can get some more .223 and have a good time at the range working my AR. ;-)

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 14, 2013, 06:45:26 PM
All this crazy ammo shortage stuff makes me happy I got the .22 CMMG upper a few months back.

Makes me glad I took care of "business" 9 months ago when my spidey sense went off.... but this panic did catch me off guard regarding getting my reloading station completed with my wish list items.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 14, 2013, 06:55:23 PM
Makes me glad I took care of "business" 9 months ago when my spidey sense went off.... but this panic did catch me off guard regarding getting my reloading station completed with my wish list items.

I'm on that boat too.  I wanted to stock up on guns but opted for more ammo for the guns I have and increased my capabilities for reloading.  I now need to get my new reloading room done.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on January 14, 2013, 07:12:08 PM
I feel ya on the reloading stuff. I was stocking up on that about 4 mths prior to the tragedy. Trying to find that stuff now is near impossible.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on January 14, 2013, 08:39:58 PM
I feel ya on the reloading stuff. I was stocking up on that about 4 mths prior to the tragedy. Trying to find that stuff now is near impossible.

Yep, I bought enough reloading supplies for .223, to the detriment of .45 and 9mm.  I incorrectly figured that it would only be .223 that dried up.  For 9mm I'm scrod, for .45 I have plenty of primers and brass, but am short on projectiles.  Maybe time to start casting my own.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 14, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
I started casting for .38 special last night.  It was awkward at first, but after a few I got the hang of it. Made 160 usable 158gr SWC in 20 minutes.
Also, I did this in a cast iron cauldron on a table top propane grill.  Have less than $50 in it.

Lead was from eBay.  I got recycled range ignots for $1.25/lbs shipped.  To start off, I wanted clean lead with appropriate hardness.  I'll lube these up and load for plinking.  If got free lead, these would be nearly as cheap as .22lr

I have 3 jars of pistol powder, but only a few hundred non-magnum small pistol primers left :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: tyeayo on January 14, 2013, 10:07:54 PM
I have to .40 pistols, a 10/22 and a browning invector plus 12ga.

I have:

approx 800 rds of .40

approx. 1300 rds of .22

approx 120 rds of 12ga


I dunno why, but I haven't been shooting since early November and I am darn glad I haven't.  I live in Tacoma, WA and there is literally next to nothing in .40 and .22

I've check all the usual stores (wally world/sportsmans warehouse/cabellas/sportco/hal dozen or so local gun shops) and there is NOTHING left in .22 and .40 but high end self defense rounds.  Fortunately 12ga is still relatively plentiful, and around 80 of my 120 rds are slugs, but I need to stop wtocking up on the overpriced 20 round boxes of .40 and load up on all the shot shells i can find.

I am pretty nervous about this, I am 32, so didn't see much in the way of prior ammo shortages, but this has really got me nervous.  If ammo is still plentiful in your area, and you haven't stocked up, i would advise doing so.

On a side note, DHS came into our local Cabelas and dropped 25k on ar's, sig pistols, ammo and mags.....hmmm
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: centraltx on January 15, 2013, 01:54:19 AM
Great price (unless I'm missing something) on 9mm 147gr at sportsmans finest. Do the 500 round option (works out the same as the 1000, but ships feb 13th, instead of June). I've been afraid to go to the range with prices so high, but this seems like a decent price to make me feel comfortable going again.

$128 for a box of 500 doesn't sound too bad these days.

Let me know if I'm ignoring some fine print.

http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?p=WX2&i=12204 (http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?p=WX2&i=12204)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on January 15, 2013, 02:43:31 AM
Great price (unless I'm missing something) on 9mm 147gr at sportsmans finest. Do the 500 round option (works out the same as the 1000, but ships feb 13th, instead of June). I've been afraid to go to the range with prices so high, but this seems like a decent price to make me feel comfortable going again.

$128 for a box of 500 doesn't sound too bad these days.

Let me know if I'm ignoring some fine print.

http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?p=WX2&i=12204 (http://shop.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?p=WX2&i=12204)

It looks like a fantastic price.  They even have a variety of bulk and target .22LR ammo available for order.  Nice find!!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on January 15, 2013, 03:25:39 AM
I stopped in to the local small family run gun store this past friday. He was in the process of selling his next to last ar-15, a junky looking no name for $1495.95. He has 1 more no name ar, a hk33 clone, and an ak pistol, and thats it. He also said he had a guy lay $5400 cash on the table wanting a bushmaster, which he couldnt provide. He has a few boxes of 223 left, but thats it, as far as semi-auto rifle ammo was concerned. He still has a dozen or so p-mags, he doesnt keep his magazines out, they are in the back and you have to ask.

I was there talking and helping for about 4 hours, and they fielded no less than 30 phone calls asking about magazines. He thought it was odd that 22lr was flying off the shelves, at 34.95 a brick for remington thunderbolts. He says since the crazyness started he has sold more 22, than he has in the last 5 years combined.

I haven't bought much of anything during the rush, having previously bought my semi auto rifles, pistols, and more magazines and I'll probably be able use in my lifetime, and laid in a comfortable supply of ammo for the same. I am however considering having him order me 1 of those 10/22 take down rifles,  and I'm seriously considering 1 of those Rossi Puma 92 lever action carbines in 45 colt.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 15, 2013, 04:02:27 AM
Great price (unless I'm missing something) on 9mm 147gr at sportsmans finest. Do the 500 round option (works out the same as the 1000, but ships feb 13th, instead of June). I've been afraid to go to the range with prices so high, but this seems like a decent price to make me feel comfortable going again.
...
The  thing you're missing is that they don't actually have it in stock.  They're currently saying they'll ship in mid-February... assuming they actually get the shipment in.  I'm not saying they won't, but like many of the others, if they don't have it in stock, they're guessing on when they will.  Time will tell if they're right or wrong on their estimate.  I'll find out soon, as I have some on order from Cabelas that promised to ship by January 23... we'll see...


Regarding reloading and lead casting, I think it's the way forward.  Obviously some calibers lend themselves to it better than others and I think my future purchases will focus on those.  It's just one more thing that makes the .30 carbine seem like the AR of the future. 

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 15, 2013, 04:15:38 AM
Yep, I bought enough reloading supplies for .223, to the detriment of .45 and 9mm.  I incorrectly figured that it would only be .223 that dried up.  For 9mm I'm scrod, for .45 I have plenty of primers and brass, but am short on projectiles.  Maybe time to start casting my own.

I stopped in one of the ranges yesterday, and they were low on powder and casings, but were DEEP in bulk 9mm, .40, & .45 bullets.  Look to be for plinking, but suitable for my needs.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: flippydidit on January 15, 2013, 04:22:36 AM
Oh why does payday have to be on Friday?   :'(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FrugalFannie on January 15, 2013, 05:44:35 AM
I stopped in one of the ranges yesterday, and they were low on powder and casings, but were DEEP in bulk 9mm, .40, & .45 bullets.  Look to be for plinking, but suitable for my needs.

why for plinking? is the ammo low grade and not accurate?

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 15, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
why for plinking? is the ammo low grade and not accurate?

Well... it's not in the class with Nossler or Hornady....

They are a cast bullet made in Ohio by Vance Mfg.  No internet presence except a company profile, but available at one shop local and some gun shows.  I've read comments on other boards that they are accurate enough.... I didn't intend to be disparaging in my remarks.... only that it's suitable for my intentions.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on January 15, 2013, 12:45:07 PM
Last Friday I dropped by Lebaron, a medium sized sporting goods chain with several stores across Eastern Canada.

1000 CCI small pistol primers were still available for the regulare sub $30 price, so I picked up 2000 plus three or four hundred large pistol primers for the Norc 1911 clone. I also got two pounds of Win 231, which should suffice for my needs (someone gave me 1000 9mm bullets a year ago) but they were out of 9mm dies! .22LR was still available in bricks at okay prices,and while I didn't get any that day will certainly keep adding bricks each time I visit a store in the near future.

I'll try getting the dies from a Southern Ontario dealer later today and maybe a .45ACP mold or a couple hundred jacketed .45ACP bullets to load via my Lee Loader. Despite being nowhere near as bad as the panic in the US, it doesn't look as though things will be replaced as they sell out here anytime soon, unless they come from another country than the US. A Canadian dealer just advertised 1600 rounds of Norc .223 for $400 plus 13% tax and shipping, and we'll still be getting Russian and Chinese SKSs, CZ58 variants and various Norinco pistols plus their popular M14 clone. From what I'm gathering though, they are selling out pretty quickly as they arrive from overseas.

We're watching with trepidation up North and hoping the push back will be enough to stop the worst of the Obama agenda. I just joined your NRA yesterday, and they say that they're getting 10 000 new members a day and expect to break the 5 milliion member mark within the next few months.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 17, 2013, 06:32:10 PM
I checked bulkammo.com this evening to see they had both .223 and 9 mm in stock. The .223 was >$1 a round so I only I placed an order for 200 each. I checked back about 30 minute later and the 80X50 of .223 that they had available was gone.

No .223 or 9 mm at Academy or Bass Pro Shop.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on January 18, 2013, 01:46:18 AM
We have been out of 223 and 5.56 for a week, and that's only because we had a pretty good stock of the expensive stuff, and steel cased stuff that people were reluctant to buy.  No order fulfillment in sight on that.  Today we ran dry on 9mm defensive rounds, and .40 fmj.  Up until yesterday, we still had a few bricks of .22, and by ALL accounts, we were the only place in town with any at all.  Those are gone, just a little bit of match grade, shorts, and stingers left.  .380 is doing ok, .45 is running low, although we just got a few boxes of HPs, which we were out of. 

ARs are pretty much non-existent, except for ones coming in on consignment.  We have a decent selection of accessories still.  We got a handful of LPKs. Only ones around as we hear.  Those won't last long at $150!  We almost spend more time searching for product than selling.  Other shops are soon to fall from what we hear.  We may come out of this better off, but I still don't like it.   
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: flippydidit on January 18, 2013, 02:28:56 AM
How many LPK's do you have?  PM me, I'd be interested.

On a brighter note, I feel more comfortable now if there was a zombie apocalypse.  Just think, our nation is probably the most ready than it has ever been for one.

 :clap: :clap: :clap:


 :zombie: :zombie: :zombie:
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 18, 2013, 04:15:01 AM
I went into a shop the other day and they were guarding empty glass cases and a few shotguns.  They are normally well stocked and busy..... hopefully they are able to budget well and keep the doors open until stock starts flowing again.... all the local shops offers something unique and I would hate to see any of them shutter their doors.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Heavy G on January 18, 2013, 05:21:43 AM
When people report in on ammo availability (or lack thereof), let us know what part of the country you're in.  I'm seeing wide variances by region. 

For me in the Seattle area, there is a decent amount of common pistol ammo: 9, 40, 380.  But no 5.56/.223 and very little 22LR.  But, I gotta say, there is more during the second Obama scare of 2012-2013 than the first one of 2008-2009.  I think that's because after the first scare the ammo makers ramped up production quite a bit. 

Assuming no further gun control measures, I think shelves could be restocked in a year or so.  I can see 22LR coming back in about the summer.  It will be longer for 5.56./.223 because I think the owners of the estimated 3.75 million ARs that were sold since 2008 are stocking up for... well, you know.  Once you've seen a bare shelf of ammo, you never forget it and won't let your supplies get low again.  That's what happened to me.  People who used to have "a couple of boxes" of 5.56/.223 on hand will now realize they need "a couple of cases" and will buy up the restocked supplies of it as it comes out. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: flippydidit on January 18, 2013, 05:29:39 AM
That especially applied to my wife.  She used to buy .22lr bricks for around $6-8 back in the day.  When she saw it shoot up to $18-20 it was no longer an issue for me to buy as much of any ammo whenever I wanted.  Now I have to "inform" her that I'm buying some .50bmg API rounds today.  Heehee.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: frjoeb on January 18, 2013, 06:52:44 AM
Heavy G is right.  Never forget the look of empty shelves. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 18, 2013, 08:59:28 AM
OK...my information is from the Houston area, most recently Academy and Bass Pro Shop in south Houston (Pearland).

-Shotgun shells are in good supply.
-You can get 30-06 or 30-08, but I have neither. Same for 7 mm, 30-30. I have no idea if it is the high dollar stuff.
-No .223, no 9 mm (range or defensive). There is 7.62 available, but that does me no good.
-I've seen .357 and .38 available, but I need neither. The next time, I may pick up some .357 just in case.
-No .22 available. Thankfully, I have "lots".
-I've not seen an AR for sale since right around Thanksgiving.

And yes, I will never forget the look of bare ammo shelves. That caused me to buy 200 X .223 and 200 X 9 mm rounds at the inflated prices when I saw it. It really does matter at this point until I get to my minimum stocking levels.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on January 18, 2013, 09:30:29 AM
all the local shops offers something unique and I would hate to see any of them shutter their doors.

I spoke to two dealers last month about this.  They confirmed what I suspected.  The smaller shops are going to go out of business.  There's not much they can do about it.  If they can not get supplies from the manufacturers, they can not make any money.  The "good times" that they had in December when people were standing in line to buy a gun wasn't enough to financially see them through this drought.  Shops that have only been in business for 8 or fewer years probably do not have enough cash (savings) to keep their doors open over the next 9-12 months.

Here along the front range, 90% of the pistol calibers and all of the 5.56 are bare and have been bare for a few weeks now.  A few days ago, I saw a few boxes of .380.  Even some of the other rifle calibers are looking low now.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on January 18, 2013, 10:01:19 AM
Was just on midway usa's website. Was on there figuring on ordering reloading supplies for my leverguns, basically to reduce the burden on my semi-autos, so i was going to order some brass for 30-30, 45-70, and 45 colt, they are out of 30-30 brass, and wouldn't even accept a back order.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mgw44 on January 18, 2013, 11:13:45 AM
I've been around a lot of stores in Grand Rapids, Michigan.  Today was the first day this year that I found any .22lr >50 round boxes. Dick's sporting goods got a shipment of Remington 525 ct hollow points and the guys at the counter said the 10 boxes would be gone by end of day.  I saw one small box of .223.  Plenty of shot gun ammo and plenty of large caliber rifle ammo.  9mm was out.  It seems hangun ammo is gone as well as .223.  I was shocked the first time I went to Meijer (think nicer Michigan Wal-Mart) and the ammo case was completely empty.

mgw44.   
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: frjoeb on January 18, 2013, 12:26:59 PM
In North Florida...

Wal-Mart had 10 boxes of 9mm last week.  But by the time I got there they were sold out.  The sporting goods guy told me the best time to check at their stores is 6-7am. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 18, 2013, 02:29:41 PM
I checked bulkammo.com this evening to see they had both .223 and 9 mm in stock. The .223 was >$1 a round so I only I placed an order for 200 each. I checked back about 30 minute later and the 80X50 of .223 that they had available was gone.

No .223 or 9 mm at Academy or Bass Pro Shop.

I wrongly reported the .223 price. It was $0.91 per round not >$1 per round. 

It is ".223 Ammo by Fiocchi - 62gr FMJBT. "


Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on January 18, 2013, 02:37:14 PM
Add sales tax and you are almost at a buck.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 18, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
Add sales tax and you are almost at a buck.
And to think I've paid $350/1k within the last 12 months for 5.56 and a couple years ago paid $420/1,000 .308.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BeachPete on January 18, 2013, 03:18:57 PM
There is literally nothing around me in South Carolina.  I was able to pick up a few boxes of 9mm at Walmart about a week ago, but ever since then... nothing.  The sporting goods manager also said Walmart Corporate is not accepting any new store orders, only pre-existing orders will be filled when available.  He didn't say they were going to stop selling ammo, just going to wait until the supply catches up.

I've got enough stored up to take me a long while, but boy do I hate breaking into the storage.

On a bright note I was able to pick up a case of 5.45x39 that AIMsurplus had for the 30 minutes it was available.

Endurance, I know where you are coming from.  I remember Natchez having M193 for $299/1000 last spring... and I only bought 1 case  :(

Now that a ban looks less likely in the next 90 days I hope supply will start catching up.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 18, 2013, 03:59:26 PM
Unless you were down to your last magazine and/or the zombies were coming, why would you pay $1/rnd ?

This morning I have a $400 repair bill for my truck.  Some meth head sawed off my exhaust pipes and stole my catalytic converter yesterday.  I mention this because I would have preferred 400 rounds of .223 and my truck still running as usual.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on January 18, 2013, 04:17:06 PM
That stinks Smurf.  I wouldn't pay that much for .223.  Maybe for match grade .308, but not plinking.223.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on January 18, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
If the concern is training ammo, then I totally get it. If you have some class you want to take, but you can't because ammo just isn't there or it costs 2-3 times as much and you can't afford it, that sucks.

But for preparedness, I'm really wondering about some of the stockpiling going on. I try to keep good solid training inventories, because I like to go shooting. But for defense or hunting ammo, I just don't see the need for large reserves. How many deer or zombies does one guy think they are going to shoot?

So I get the target ammo supply drying up during a panic buy, but what is driving the premium ammo market like this?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on January 18, 2013, 04:45:41 PM
Quote
So I get the target ammo supply drying up during a panic buy, but what is driving the premium ammo market like this?

Panic?  With all the target ammo in short supply, panic buyers buy what ever at any cost, thus why the really nice stuff is gone too.  JMHO
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on January 18, 2013, 04:47:19 PM
Another wasted trip to my local stores today in northern WV.   The guy there said that everytime they get something in, it is bought within the hour.   Only handgun stuff on the shelf was .380 and a few .40SW.   I got a crappy box of Blazer .38 specials (last box of 50) and the only .357 mag (i like it Hornady Critical Defense) but too was the last box (but I hate shooting expensive ammo at the range).

Plenty of shotgun shells, some 30-06, .270, 7mm.   Several 7.62x54mm ammocans.   That was about it.

All I want to do is go practice at the range.   Honestly, it is depressing that you can't really practice.   I got what I want for a minimum reserve, but damn, would be nice to get out and have a little fun and keep the rust off.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on January 18, 2013, 05:02:22 PM
Panic?  With all the target ammo in short supply, panic buyers buy what ever at any cost, thus why the really nice stuff is gone too.  JMHO

I guess. IDK. I bought what I could afford in October and a bit more in November when other funds freed up. I'll do what training I can with what I have, and more than likely I'll be reloading or just sitting idle if prices / supplies don't correct before then.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 18, 2013, 05:56:45 PM
Add sales tax and you are almost at a buck.
No tax and the shipping was almost a wash with the TSP discount.

But, it used to be $400 a 1000, so I am under no illusion I got a deal. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 18, 2013, 06:00:39 PM
Unless you were down to your last magazine and/or the zombies were coming, why would you pay $1/rnd ?

This morning I have a $400 repair bill for my truck.  Some meth head sawed off my exhaust pipes and stole my catalytic converter yesterday.  I mention this because I would have preferred 400 rounds of .223 and my truck still running as usual.

My situation is such that I bought a new AR in November, shot it once and only have 240 rounds of .223 available. I hate to be in the situation that the SHTF and I have no AR. Paranoid? Yep. But I have the cash and I want (not need) 500 rounds minimum, 1500 max. 240 + 200 gets me close. ;-)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 18, 2013, 06:11:33 PM
I try to take one combat shooting class a year to keep some modicum of proficiency.  Usually classes are about $600 plus ammo and you go through about 600 rounds in a two day class.  So rather than spend $1200 on a class this year, I opted for a force on force class that's using airsoft.  There's no doubt that current ammo prices played a significant role in my decision making.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ID_Joker on January 18, 2013, 06:28:53 PM
Wandered into the local Big R today for some bait for ice fishing this weekend.  They had 500 rounds of .22LR on the shelf for 19.95.  Not too crazy bad.  I think there were 8 or 10 boxes.  No 223 or 308 to be found.  And cleaned out on a lot of unusual calibers too....lik 45-70.  <shrug>
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on January 18, 2013, 06:36:52 PM
My situation is such that I bought a new AR in November, shot it once and only have 240 rounds of .223 available. I hate to be in the situation that the SHTF and I have no AR. Paranoid? Yep. But I have the cash and I want (not need) 500 rounds minimum, 1500 max. 240 + 200 gets me close. ;-)

Sounds reasonable.  Tough to be caught in that window of increased demand, but fortunately there are new owners of these firearms every month of every year!  Sorry this was your introduction to ownership. I shoot that much in one trip to the range. If that was all I had I would hold on to it, too!

If .22LR starts showing up before .223 ammo you might consider a conversion upper for .22LR so you can get range time with it at least.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Frugal Upstate on January 19, 2013, 06:17:04 AM
Just commenting to keep tabs on the convo. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 19, 2013, 08:15:15 AM
Sounds reasonable.  Tough to be caught in that window of increased demand, but fortunately there are new owners of these firearms every month of every year!  Sorry this was your introduction to ownership. I shoot that much in one trip to the range. If that was all I had I would hold on to it, too!

If .22LR starts showing up before .223 ammo you might consider a conversion upper for .22LR so you can get range time with it at least.
Good points!  I hadn't even made the connection between the run on ARs and the shortage of 5.56 ammo, but if everybody that just bought their first AR or Mini14 wants just 1000 rounds this year that demand alone accounts for 50,000,000 additional rounds than is typical if just. 50,000 ARs were sold.  If a million new customers came on line that would mean you'd need a billion more rounds than normal.  Crazy math!

And I agree, get a stainless. 22 conversion kit (they're more reliable for some odd reason).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on January 19, 2013, 03:43:13 PM
It seems midwayusa is out of everything, basically, ammo related. Both loaded ammo and reloading components. I can't seem to find a single 30-30 or 45 colt case for sale online. And aparrently the US state department won't let anyone ship ammo or reloading components, including cases, from abroad.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bolomark on January 19, 2013, 04:06:42 PM
OK,i went to our local gun show today.(puyallup)
it opened at 8:00 AM.there was a line about 100yards long to get a ticket to enter. members were allowed to go thru check in, then held before the doors opened up. about 300 people waiting.
doors opened some people ran to the ammo sellers. one had people line up to buy cases out the door 30 foot long line.
just did a quick walk buy just to see what they had.it looked about average for what they usually have at the show.
price's were running 4-5 dollars a box more than usual.
now that being said ar's are way over priced so are magazines.
I over herd one conversation a member sold his DPMS (that he paid 850$) for 2600$ nice investment. average was 1800$-2500$
glock magazines were running 40$ no mater what it was.
left after an hour and a half with two surplus ammo boxes for my Brother.
people were still lined up at the gate to get their entrance tickets.
reminded me of Christmas eve shopping. allota fear still out there. :crazy:
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 19, 2013, 05:19:06 PM
I went to the gun range today in Northern KY (Cincinnati Region), and guy at the register says, "I hope you brought your own ammo" (I had).  I looked at his shelves and they were bare.  After shooting, I was able to pick a few up a few more reloading supplies, but bullets and primers were non-existent.  Plenty of powder and cases though.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FreeLancer on January 19, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
Just placed an order with BulkAmmo.com for a few cases of Federal .40 JHP for $0.55/rnd with shipping.  That's significantly less than the Federal 9mm JHP price.  The Prvi Partisan .308 was going for $25.25 per box of 20.  That's a 236% increase over the regular price a year ago, good thing I stocked up then.

Tonight, there was a piece on the local news showing people lined up around the block for a special bulk ammo sale event at an LA range.  The 9mm and .223 disappeared well before the potential customers did.  However, there were stacks of Federal .40 FMJ cases still there at the end of the day. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Truman on January 19, 2013, 08:36:36 PM
I am in Lake County Florida, nothing at the local walmart, not 2lr no  223, no 9mm.  I use two calibers 9MM and 22LR the local gun shop, which has been around for over 100 years is out of 9MM and all I could get in 22lr was a 555 box of  Winchester Copper-Plated Hollow Point for $50.00, I was almost out of 22lr so I picked it up. I am totally out of 9 mm, 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Prep pal on January 19, 2013, 08:53:42 PM
Well, here in the good ol' land of liberals, unless you shoot .38 special you can't find squat! AND I MEAN IT!!!
.223/5.56 is almost impossible to find and when you do find it they are absolutely gouging.
9mm, 7.62x39, and 308,,,, you have a better chance of seeing GOD at Walmart.
.22, yeah, right. ( .22 magnum not too bad to find though).
Even 30/06 is like maybe a box or two here and there but don't even think you are gonna find more than that at any one place.

 It's downright scary. I mean SCARY!
No .357 magnum or sig
No .44 magnum or special
A little 30/30
 Not even much for shotgun shells unless you want bird shot/ target loads. Forget 00buck or slugs.

 Like I said, IF you are lucky enough to find anything, they're gouging you.

 $10 for 100 CCI MINI MAGS
$20 for 20 .223/5.56
$35 for the cheap crap .308, 30/06,30/30,.270,.243 etc...

 Like I said thats IF you are lucky enough to stumble across a stor that just got a few cs. Of ammo in.
You have to be there the day it comes in or it's gone the next day.

 I can't say it enough Im not joking or embellishing, it's flat out scary.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 19, 2013, 09:07:31 PM
Is it where I live, or maybe just me, but Walmart is the last place I go to look for ammo.  In fact, I've only ever looked there when I was already there for something else.  Is Walmart the best place to buy ammo for a lot of you folks?  The Walmart's in my area had squat for ammo before we had a supply issue.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on January 19, 2013, 09:20:01 PM
Is it where I live, or maybe just me, but Walmart is the last place I go to look for ammo.  In fact, I've only ever looked there when I was already there for something else.  Is Walmart the best place to buy ammo for a lot of you folks?  The Walmart's in my area had squat for ammo before we had a supply issue.

by far the best prices. nobody else that cloee, at least 20 percent higher everywhere else.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FreeLancer on January 19, 2013, 09:28:38 PM
Is Walmart the best place to buy ammo for a lot of you folks?  The Walmart's in my area had squat for ammo before we had a supply issue.

Here in California they do have pretty good prices and availability on common plain box ammo from the big manufacturers.  It takes forever to track someone down to open the case and complete the sale, though.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 19, 2013, 09:52:58 PM
by far the best prices. nobody else that cloee, at least 20 percent higher everywhere else.

Here in California they do have pretty good prices and availability on common plain box ammo from the big manufacturers.  It takes forever to track someone down to open the case and complete the sale, though.

I suppose I should check their pricing more frequently, but on my infrequent visits, I have not seen that to be the case here.  What a shame that a place like Walmart is the best place to go for something like this.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mike77 on January 19, 2013, 10:33:03 PM
Is it where I live, or maybe just me, but Walmart is the last place I go to look for ammo.  In fact, I've only ever looked there when I was already there for something else.  Is Walmart the best place to buy ammo for a lot of you folks?  The Walmart's in my area had squat for ammo before we had a supply issue.

For me it's about location. I can easily stop by one between home and work, so the most time added to my drive is waiting for someone to open the case. The nearest dedicated gun shops are 15+ minute drives. I try to stop in them whenever I am in that area, but it's not often.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: flippydidit on January 20, 2013, 12:00:14 AM
I suppose I should check their pricing more frequently, but on my infrequent visits, I have not seen that to be the case here.  What a shame that a place like Walmart is the best place to go for something like this.

BiMart is really good for ammo.  With that said, I always wait until they are running a special in their mailer.  Find out when the specials come out.  I think it was every Monday.  Then just go in and grab a mailer from the counter or in one of the shopping carts.  If you wait until the weekend, the "ammo special" might be gone.  Of course, I haven't shopped at a BiMart in a couple years now.  They don't have them in Florida.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 20, 2013, 12:10:01 AM
BiMart is really good for ammo.  With that said, I always wait until they are running a special in their mailer.  Find out when the specials come out.  I think it was every Monday.  Then just go in and grab a mailer from the counter or in one of the shopping carts.  If you wait until the weekend, the "ammo special" might be gone.  Of course, I haven't shopped at a BiMart in a couple years now.  They don't have them in Florida.

Yes, Bi-Mart is a great place for ammo.  They too don't stock a lot of inventory though, unless they expect a run on sales due to a good sale.  But they can look at inventory of other branches and let you know where to go to fill the balance of your order.  I think they are limited to Oregon, Washington, and Idaho (with most of the locations in Oregon).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 20, 2013, 07:31:52 AM
I went to a gunshow Saturday in Pueblo.  I saw some of the most ridiculous prices on guns I've ever seen.  H&K P7M13 for $3,000 used, $6,000 new in box; H&K SP89 used for $7,500!

No powder, only a handful of small rifles primers and going for $75-85/1,000.  I did see 7.62x51 battle packs for $0.75 per round.  That's the first time I've ever seen 7.62nato cheaper than 5.56 (which was $0.85-1.05).  Crazy stuff.  Still plenty of. 30 carbine for $20-23/50, which is up significantly, but still affordable and available.  Plenty of handgun ammo available except 9mm, which was soldout by several sellers.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 20, 2013, 09:43:04 AM
Maybe .223 supply is starting to relax a little. Several batches of .223 have been on bulkammo.com over the last few days. it is $900 for a 1000, but at least they have something. I am not buying any more as my recent inventory plus the order arriving next week indicates I am at minimum stocking levels.

There is also 9 mm available, not just range ammo but JHP.

I am thinking of assembling some sort of bullet availability index from online sources. I've only bought from bulkammo.com a few times. In the past, I purchased from local sporting goods stores as the prices were about the same or less and there was no shipping. But, would there be any value to performing quantity/price tracking? If so, are there other popular on-line sellers such as luckygunner.com that I could look at?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 20, 2013, 10:10:00 AM

I am thinking of assembling some sort of bullet availability index from online sources.

Ugh...too much work. There is .223 available at Luckygunner...they even have some 30 round mags for $40. I am not buying at that price!

So, it looks like things are starting to loosen in the on-line bullet world. That is good news.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 20, 2013, 11:20:28 AM
What's odd is that I can find more ammo selection at a reasonable price at local retail.  Maybe not Walmart or Cabelas, but gun shops and farm supply stores.  Coastl Farm and Ranch still had American Eagle .223 for $7/20pack last time I was in.  I never thought that was a "good" price, but previously would grab a couple whenever I was in there buying other supplies.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 20, 2013, 11:48:13 AM
Maybe .223 supply is starting to relax a little. Several batches of .223 have been on bulkammo.com over the last few days. it is $900 for a 1000, but at least they have something. I am not buying any more as my recent inventory plus the order arriving next week indicates I am at minimum stocking levels.

It might as well be unavailable at those prices. . . .  Just a thought, but I work for a manufacturer of goods.  We sell through distribution and set a cost to them that typically holds for 12 months (6 months at the least).  When we raise prices it is typically only to the point it reflects a 5-8% increase in profits and/or cost of raw material (which usually doesn't jump much, and we have our own contracts for).  The point I'm trying to make is that the increase is probably not relfective of the manufacturer but the greedy distributor's.  That said, when supply of ammo levels out, do business with the distributors whom didn't rape you when times were tough, otherwise we could see one of the benefits of competition go away (the current prices will be the new normal).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 20, 2013, 12:33:30 PM
It might as well be unavailable at those prices. . . .  Just a thought, but I work for a manufacturer of goods.  We sell through distribution and set a cost to them that typically holds for 12 months (6 months at the least).  When we raise prices it is typically only to the point it reflects a 5-8% increase in profits and/or cost of raw material (which usually doesn't jump much, and we have our own contracts for).  The point I'm trying to make is that the increase is probably not relfective of the manufacturer but the greedy distributor's.  That said, when supply of ammo levels out, do business with the distributors whom didn't rape you when times were tough, otherwise we could see one of the benefits of competition go away (the current prices will be the new normal).
Yep, I'd much rather do business with the handful of places that still have ammo because they put a cap on how much you could buy rather than trying to limit purchases by pricing me out of the market.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 11 Bravo on January 20, 2013, 01:18:10 PM
Nelson, WalMart's here in the Grand Rapids, MI area are great for ammo. Usually, availability is fantastic, and the prices can't be beaten, not even in bulk online.

Until now. I have been to, or called around to a half dozen of them in Grand Rapids, Hastings, Plainwell, etc. They are cleaned out and haven't been restocked in weeks.  Cascade Walmart had a few boxes of 525 round .22, and they all had 12 gauge but that's it. Haven't seen .223 in weeks.


Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 20, 2013, 07:58:29 PM
Stopped into a local Walmart and Meijers tonight.  Only thing on the shelves were some shotgun loads with birdshot.  B-A-R-E!!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on January 20, 2013, 08:48:53 PM
I visited my shooting club in Ontario Canada less than an hour from the US border (Niagara Falls and Buffalo) and the store next to it still had some of everthing but I didn't check the prices and was told that gun club members have been picking up most of the 9mm and other popular calibres. The few prices I looked at were raised somewhat (a previousl $50 Glock mag is now $59) and I'm pretty sure that the ammo has gone up similarly. A tactical Remington 870 that I picked up for $460 before Christmas was listed on the rack as $599 plus 13% sales tax.

On a brighter note I still saw a CZ58 with folding stock for $699, a Kriss and Scorpion pistol (subgun?) and a complete polymer AR lower (with internals like the hammer, pistol grip, buttstock and I think even the buffer for $199) They still had a couple of those in stock and if I don't buy one myself when the store opens on Wednesday, I'll surely be telling some friends about it.

All three of the shops I've gone to lately still has bulk packs of .22 LR and for the most part prices haven't changed yet. I'm, personally in pretty good shape for routine target shooting and am picking up odds and ends as I can, but I wouldn't call it a panic situation yet. In contrast the small shop I visited today claims to have more inventory that the Buffalo Gun Centre, which has been cleaned out by New Yorkers wishing to beat the impending legislation.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mike77 on January 21, 2013, 12:49:41 AM
Stopped by a Walmart in St. Louis. Out of .223, .308, 9mm, .22lr, .38spl. Low on .380, .40, .45, .357. A decent stock of the other rifle calibers and shotgun ammo.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on January 21, 2013, 09:34:35 AM
Walmart in SoCal had a full rack of pivari 9mm last Friday, and a couple bulk boxes of .40 silver tip, a fair amount of 30-06, some hunting loads in 308, tula 7.62x39, quite a bit of 380, and some shotgun odds and ends. I've heard WM has a freeze on new orders (last I heard, it was only "new" orders - that might just mean they have standing orders to the point where it would just be a headache to let the tally run longer). That means that ammo availability at Walmart will largely depend on how on top of things the sporting manager has been. If your store had that guy that was smart enough to order anything and everything back in December, it may still be trickling in. If not, probably bare shelves for the next 6 months. One reason I still buy ammo at Walmart is they choose to ration rather than price gouge. Their prices consistently lag industry price hikes, and for all the things I don't like about WM, I applaud them for that.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on January 21, 2013, 09:36:53 AM
Wally world had a smigin of ammo. I grabbed a box of 38 and 308.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Frugal Upstate on January 21, 2013, 11:15:18 AM
I've been harassing my point of contact at Walmart about their official stance on the ammunition and weapons restock/reorders.  Walmart HQ Bentonville's reply:

Quote
Ladies, here is an official response we received that you can share if asked. We will keep you updated if we hear any more information.  Let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks.

“Recently, there have been media reports that Walmart is no longer selling ammunition. Those reports are inaccurate. Stores that sell ammunition and firearms are continuing to offer the same product assortment in this category. Inventory levels of ammunition will vary from store to store and we are working with suppliers to replenish our inventory. We are reviewing inventory levels on a daily basis and the company is shipping ammunition to stores that do not have the product to meet the current demand from our customers.”

-Kory Lundberg, Director of National Media Relations, Walmart

For what it's worth.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cep89 on January 21, 2013, 03:40:54 PM
My local walmart is out of the popular calibers.  The clerk told me that as soon as they restocked a local small gun shop came in and cleaned them out and are selling it for higher prices.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PorcupineKate on January 21, 2013, 04:10:13 PM
My local Walmart has been out of most calibers at any given time since the store opened 4 years ago....
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on January 21, 2013, 05:27:20 PM
My local walmart is out of the popular calibers.  The clerk told me that as soon as they restocked a local small gun shop came in and cleaned them out and are selling it for higher prices.

Odd, my Walmart limits customers to 2 per day, per customer.  I thought they all did.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on January 21, 2013, 06:55:42 PM
One of the little black rifle and ammo dealers just bit the dust late last month.  I guess when your selves are bare and there is nothing to sell there is no reason to stay open.

From what I understand their FFL is still active, they decided the only way to survive was to close their doors until they can buy ammo and semi-auto rifles.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on January 21, 2013, 07:30:43 PM
Checked Bulk ammo today and they had a little. Ordered some of the expensive better stuff for my carry pistols.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on January 21, 2013, 08:51:44 PM
My local walmart is out of the popular calibers.  The clerk told me that as soon as they restocked a local small gun shop came in and cleaned them out and are selling it for higher prices.

When I find out that retailers are buying the inventory out of other retailers to keep it off the market, it pisses me off. when I find out who does it, I make sure to never shop there again, and tell everyone I know to do the same. I post signs at my local range letting everyone know who is keeping ammo off the market.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Schmidt on January 21, 2013, 09:07:14 PM
I was just at Cabela's last week and saw thousands of boxes of 9mm with a 10 box per customer limit in place. No .223 ammo to be seen. Interestingly, the guy waiting on me told a story about how a guy recently bought a gun chambered in .223 and then became irate when the store didn't have any ammo in stock.

Hopefully when nothing happens in 2 months and the hype dies down, the ammo prices will drop a bit.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 21, 2013, 09:46:06 PM
In colonial times, when gunsmiths would hand fit muzzle loading rifles, they would custom make a bullet casting mold specific to that bore.  Since no two rifles were identical, it was a common understanding that each marksman would cast his own projectiles for best accuracy.

The Cabela's employee should have taken Mr. IrateOverNoAmmo to the reloading section :)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on January 21, 2013, 11:26:57 PM
Just left academy in spartanburg sc, they have all of their 22lr, 9mm, 40 s&w, 45acp, 223/5.56, 308, and 7.62x39 at the customer service desk with a limit of 1 box per caliber, and 3 boxes total. They had 3 or 4 boxes of each, the only prices i checked was a plastic ammo can of 200 rounds of hornady 55gr v-max for 158.95.

All the other ammo had no restrictions, and was summarily picked over. There were good supplies of 12 guage birdshot, but no buck or slugs. There was 243 winchester, 300 and 338mag, 45-70, and 38 special, and that was about it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mike77 on January 21, 2013, 11:29:33 PM
Odd, my Walmart limits customers to 2 per day, per customer.  I thought they all did.

The one I normally go to has signs up limiting to six boxes per customer.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Cedar on January 22, 2013, 01:02:34 AM
I have no idea what it looks like inside a gun store these days, but one I pass almost daily used to be kinda quiet until the last month and a bit. I see guys hauling ARMLOADS of things out of there and granted they only have like a parking area for about 6 cars, but people are parking on the street too now. It is always hopping around there now, when before I would not have even hardly seen the place due to how quiet it was.

Cedar
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on January 22, 2013, 01:21:13 PM
In colonial times, when gunsmiths would hand fit muzzle loading rifles, they would custom make a bullet casting mold specific to that bore.  Since no two rifles were identical, it was a common understanding that each marksman would cast his own projectiles for best accuracy.

The Cabela's employee should have taken Mr. IrateOverNoAmmo to the reloading section :)

Which by all accounts has also been barren and back ordered.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on January 22, 2013, 01:24:25 PM
I have no idea what it looks like inside a gun store these days, but one I pass almost daily used to be kinda quiet until the last month and a bit. I see guys hauling ARMLOADS of things out of there and granted they only have like a parking area for about 6 cars, but people are parking on the street too now. It is always hopping around there now, when before I would not have even hardly seen the place due to how quiet it was.

Cedar

Ironically I think CA is doing better than the national par because we have had several ban scares a year for several years. There was still a spike this last time, but it has been more hoarders that want to resell (which if you ever want to get perma black balled from a gun club, just admit you do that), and the fact that restocking shelves stopped happening because of the national scale issue.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 22, 2013, 05:09:16 PM
I received my "gold plated" ammo order from Bulkammo.com today. 200 X .223 and 200X 9 mm. Not bad since I ordered it Thursday or Friday last week.

It looks like supply is loosening up at Bulkammo as there is .223 and 9 mm readily available although still $905 / 1000 and $415 / 1000 respectively.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 22, 2013, 05:58:09 PM
In colonial times, when gunsmiths would hand fit muzzle loading rifles, they would custom make a bullet casting mold specific to that bore.  Since no two rifles were identical, it was a common understanding that each marksman would cast his own projectiles for best accuracy.

The Cabela's employee should have taken Mr. IrateOverNoAmmo to the reloading section :)

Unfortunately, most reloading sections are pretty bare too.  The only caliber I have in the household that I can't get dies, cases, or bullets for are .223

Fortunately I have plenty of other calibers to keep me busy for now.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on January 23, 2013, 09:43:41 PM
I visited one of my favourite gunshops today and spoke to a friend who's a Range Officer at the club that I posted at a couple of days ago.

The gunshop I visited today still had a decent selection of ammo, and in addition to the normal hunting guns had Russian SKS, .223 VZ 58s, and a reasonably decent selection of handguns. They still have decent priced MFS steel cased .223 and crates of Norinco that are selling fast to shooters who realize that we'll have a dearth of ammo coming from the US in upcoming months.  .223 Winchester is still available at $11.80 (plus 13% tax) for 20 rounds, but for how long is anyone's guess.

I left with a 525 round and 333 round of Federal and Winchester .22LR, which were $23.00 and $13.50 respectively (I try to get a box or two each visit). I may go back tomorrow to pick up a crate of Norinco .223 that would cost about $510 for 1600 rounds, that would at least hold me over in that calibre for the next season of shooting. My only hesitation is becasue of other gun related purchases that are competing with it.

Of particular interest to people on this board might be the fact that the gun club I spoke of a couple of days back had actually been approached by American dealers to purchase their guns and ammo, but seeing the hurtlocker that many smaller US gun dealers are in, they're holding onto what they've got to hold them over and keep the customers coming until things improve and shipments from gun and ammo manufacturers resume.

Best of luck to all of you. I certainly appreciate how lucky we are up here at the moment and hope that things improve for you all sooner rather than later.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on January 24, 2013, 12:38:56 AM
There seems to be some stock filtering in, and even though the rush seems to be slowing some, but it's still going fast.

Saw a sig 556 for sale today, $2495.97
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 24, 2013, 02:14:02 PM
During my lunch break I waddled into a yuppie gun store in downtown Bellevue, WA (ask Heavy G. for details).

I was surprised to see nearly every model Glock in stock, as well as M&Ps, CZs. and plenty of ammo for all.
When I noticed most of the Glocks were in the $750 range, and 50 round box of federal pistol ammo was $30 - it all started to make sense.

I'm not upset about it.  I suppose if it's life and death, paying 30% surcharge may be worth doing in certain extreme cases.  At least there's the option.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on January 25, 2013, 03:37:31 PM
Glocks are gone here. No ar's less then 2000.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 25, 2013, 05:40:45 PM
Academy in Houston. They moved the "in demand" ammo to the front with a limit of 2 boxes a customer. Of course, no .223, no 9 mm, no .22. What good is that?

In the normal section, no .357, only a couple of boxes of .38.

No AR's to be had.

Seriously folks?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: M1Andy on January 25, 2013, 07:54:15 PM
Same thing at the Academy stores here in Oklahoma.  Service counter handing out the 1 box/caliber, 3 box limit.  The high traffic gun store in small town i visit on business every two weeks is gutted of everything.  They went to two box limit on ammo or they wouldn't have any sales for most of the day.  It will blow over but I think it's going to take awhile.  Every little tidbit of news will send the same 50 guys back to the Academy sidewalk 30 minutes before opening M-W-F.  (after truck).  If I shoot much, I can't replace fast enough.  Personal inventory is not near enough.  Seriously, i have spent too much on guns and not enough on ammo the last 4 years.  8 yr old daughter helped me inventory this evening.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Ragnar on January 25, 2013, 10:34:45 PM
A good friend sells reloads, granted not a huge amount but I usually get in when he makes his powder orders.  2 to 3 months BO right now on what we are ordering. His shop also builds AR's and parts started coming available this last week for the first time but dried up quickly after Thursday again.  Primers... Couple months BO. 

Local Cabelas and Walmart's. nada.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on January 26, 2013, 12:20:43 AM
I spoke to someone at one of our larger ammo dealers called Canada Ammo when purchasing a couple mags (just 10 rounders, which is the max we could use in an AR). I asked and was told that the reasonably priced Norc .223 that we're getting now probably would have been available for the next year under normal conditions, but that we may run out well before that on account of the Canadian shooters stocking up on it. Incidentally the headstamps are 93 or 94, suggesting that we're getting what was left after the importation ban on them from the US. New production Norc M4geries that are currently out of stock acrocss the country will also continue to arrive at the same price (approx $800 taxes in), which will at least partially make up for the lack of guns available from US sources even if they are not as desirable. I should add that our bottleneck licensing scheme and the "restricted" status of AR variants (which requires an extra class of permit and that they be transported only to and from the range) severely limits the number of people who could purchase those rifles, which slightly tempered any panic buying.

I certainly don't mean to tease, but am thankful that we've at least got decently priced stock that could be purchased with at least some time to think about it. So much of future availability and price will depend upon the situation in your country. Since it takes a couple of months to get on one of our licensing courses and usually about twelve weeks after that to get the permit, there's only so many new shooters who can enter into the hobby in the meantime, who also need the license to buy ammo. Be weary of politicians who point to Canadian gun laws as an example for the US!

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Nate on January 26, 2013, 06:39:19 AM
My local walmart in NW Ohio is still bare of everything except: 22 mag, 22 short and 12, 20 gauge shotgun loads.  You can find just about any hunting or target load you want in these gauges.  A new gun store opened in my little town last weekend.  I got there an hour after the grand opening officially started and no ammo was on the shelf.

I was at a gun show last weekend and I was looking at .38 special and .22 ammo prices.  LRN 38 was going for $40 a box and .22LR bulk packs (500 rounders) going for $50!  Really??  On my way to the gun show I stopped at a pawn shop and they had 38 158Gr LRN for 15.95 a box.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: jm_sol on January 26, 2013, 09:26:06 AM
Carter country in houston tx (2locations checked) has a 2box limit. Very bare shelves. Online back orders for primers. None to be found in the locations we checked.  Lotsa folks looking for AR or AK.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: phils70 on January 26, 2013, 05:04:26 PM
Carter country in houston tx (2locations checked) has a 2box limit. Very bare shelves. Online back orders for primers. None to be found in the locations we checked.  Lotsa folks looking for AR or AK.

Can verify that, not that it's needed ;) Went to the SW location after the Mises Circle event with the intent of picking up some small pistol and small rifle primers... none. Plenty of shotgun ammo, picked up some buck shot (I don't reload buck or slugs yet). Picked up some 270 and 44 mag bulk bullets. Shelves were almost bare. Employees seemed a bit frazzled, probably from answering the same questions the same way all day. Lots of interest in AR, AK and Glock. None available.

@jm_sol   the girl at the counter said try again WED am.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 26, 2013, 05:21:45 PM
Can verify that, not that it's needed ;) Went to the SW location after the Mises Circle event with the intent of picking up some small pistol and small rifle primers... none. Plenty of shotgun ammo, picked up some buck shot (I don't reload buck or slugs yet). Picked up some 270 and 44 mag bulk bullets. Shelves were almost bare. Employees seemed a bit frazzled, probably from answering the same questions the same way all day. Lots of interest in AR, AK and Glock. None available.

@jm_sol   the girl at the counter said try again WED am.

That seems to be a common theme.... gun shop employees that are normally very amiable seem to be wound a lot tighter these days.  Perhaps a tough time to be in the gun industry.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: h0ser81 on January 27, 2013, 08:42:37 AM
I can't find .22LR anywhere! Bass Pro, Gander Mountain, Walmart, and even my LGSs are all picked clean of .22LR.  My dad found a few boxes for me at a local hardware store that I had him pick up for me. The prices on gunbroker are out of control for it as well.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Shaunypoo on January 28, 2013, 02:01:53 PM
Went to a local walmart, nothing.  Went to Meijers, nothing.  Went to another walmart, got 2 boxes of 100 rds 9mm for target shooting and was the 4th person in line to get the same ammo.  The clerk said they got them in hours before.  All other ammo except for some .38, a few odd .22lr, and shotgun shells are gone.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Cooter Brown on January 28, 2013, 02:08:21 PM
At the gun show yesterday;

No. 22 LR except for shotshell,
9mm - .47 per round, limits per customer,
.223 - $1 per round, limits per customer.

.40 & .45 available, only slight price hikes.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on January 28, 2013, 04:57:23 PM
I can't find .22LR anywhere! Bass Pro, Gander Mountain, Walmart, and even my LGSs are all picked clean of .22LR.  My dad found a few boxes for me at a local hardware store that I had him pick up for me. The prices on gunbroker are out of control for it as well.
Bulkammo had some last night. $38 bucks for the federal 525 brick. probably all gone by now.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: American freak on January 28, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
What blows my mind is the lack of. 22LR. Figured there would be plenty..... guess not. I bought some Rio .12 gauge buckshot in bulk along with some Pvri Partizan. 30-30 the other day from Chaeper than Dirt. They made me do a verbal affidavit saying that I didn't live in New York and that I could legally buy ammo. It upsets me that the gun industry is so quick to bow down like that.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on January 28, 2013, 05:58:13 PM
What blows my mind is the lack of. 22LR. Figured there would be plenty..... guess not. I bought some Rio .12 gauge buckshot in bulk along with some Pvri Partizan. 30-30 the other day from Chaeper than Dirt. They made me do a verbal affidavit saying that I didn't live in New York and that I could legally buy ammo. It upsets me that the gun industry is so quick to bow down like that.

CTD is NOT the gun industry! They aren't worthy of crap out of the maggot's butt that was feeding from last weeks left overs of the gun industry. One gun owner at a time they are being boycotted for this and a list of crap too long to mention.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on January 29, 2013, 05:27:58 AM
CTD .............. One gun owner at a time they are being boycotted for this and a list of crap too long to mention.

I've never shopped there, but have read enough from others gripes to never start.   



Ammo in Northern WV is trickling back into the bigger stores, something I've never shot...Prvi Partizan (PPU).   Wallyworld the other day had a bunch of 9mm and 40 s&w from PPU. they also had CCI AR Tactical .22LR (anyone shoot this?  like it?).   The other Wal-mart across town had Federal 9mm, and those Winchester 555 boxes of .22LR.   Both stores are limiting to 3 boxes per day, not per visit.   Not sure how they are enforcing it, but 1x a day at Walmart is about all I can stand anyway :).


One thing I've seen consistantly are all the typical hunting calibers.   I've always seen 7mm, .270, 30-30 and 30-06 on the shelf.   Dunham's has also always had the 7.62x54 surplus tins.   This has me considering what my next rifle is going to be.  Now I'm looking at the Mosin Nagants seriously, also considering a Winchester Model 94.   

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bennington1776 on January 29, 2013, 06:07:28 AM
Bulk Ammo is now out of 22LR
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: backwoods_engineer on January 29, 2013, 02:40:57 PM
Cannot find .223 brass anywhere.  Local gun stores, gun clubs, Widener's, Natchez, Southern, Midway, NoDak Arms, none of the usual suspects. 

Kicking myself for not having bought a metric ton back in November.

Anybody got a suggested source?

Also, the government is destroying once-fired .223 brass again, against the law, but what do they care.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on January 29, 2013, 03:02:32 PM

Also, the government is destroying once-fired .223 brass again, against the law, but what do they care.

Huh?  Got a link to this info? (I don't doubt you.  Just want to read more info.)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 29, 2013, 05:16:16 PM
Cannot find .223 brass anywhere.  Local gun stores, gun clubs, Widener's, Natchez, Southern, Midway, NoDak Arms, none of the usual suspects. 

Kicking myself for not having bought a metric ton back in November.

Anybody got a suggested source?

Also, the government is destroying once-fired .223 brass again, against the law, but what do they care.

On craigslist I found 3 sellers of .223 brass today. That said, they were asking up to $200 for 1000, but it was once fired 5.56mm.  4 months ago, recyclers near the army base used to sell $50 for 1000 - but times have changed.

Also, I suggest you visit a range location immediately following a tactical training course, or LEO training.  I've yet to see a cop save his own brass.  Esp. when the cases land in the mud.  My 9 year old son thinks this is a fun activity, and I pay him for harvesting, cleaning and depriming later :)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: backwoods_engineer on January 29, 2013, 07:16:03 PM
Huh?  Got a link to this info? (I don't doubt you.  Just want to read more info.)

Here you go:

http://www.examiner.com/article/fort-drum-brass-destruction-threatens-reloading-supply-and-more
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on January 29, 2013, 07:38:37 PM
Mom and pops gun shop had a little. Traded a glock mag i didnt need for 2 boxes of 223.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 29, 2013, 11:39:29 PM
Mom and pops gun shop had a little. Traded a glock mag i didnt need for 2 boxes of 223.

I just traded a box of .223 of PMC (I got last year for $5.99) for several hundred speer 140gr JHP (for reloading, not ammo).  My rationale is, back in "normal times" the street value is at least 5x in my favor.  Eventually .223 will come back.

BTW: I'm down to less than 1000 pistol primers on hand, and getting anxious about it.  anyone else stressing this?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on January 30, 2013, 01:49:32 AM
Local discount store (Bi-Mart) had hardly any ammo, mostly odds and ends.  BUT, they just got in a stack of a new product I have not seen before: Remington 25 shell box of 12 ga 00 buckshot!  I think they were only $10/25 which is way cheaper than the regular 5-shell boxes for $3.60.  I picked up a couple of boxes and they had probably 30 more boxes on the shelf at least.

Powder, primers, and bullets are long gone still.  No .22LR for some weeks either.  They do still have .17HMR in quantity.  I have plenty of .22LR ammo, but if I was just getting into rimfires right now I would seriously consider getting a .17HMR such as the Ruger 10/17, etc because that ammo is ALWAYS in stock.  Then later I would get a .22LR when supplies increase.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Sunnylandcamper on January 30, 2013, 02:19:31 AM
its sad in the Peoria illinois area....
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: JC2 on January 30, 2013, 06:10:10 AM
Heres one of my orders I placed with cabelas online a little over two weeks ago. I have removed quantities and irrelevant info, but this should give you an idea whats moving in the supply chain.

Received within the past couple of days
.40 S&W 180 GR FMC
.30 180 GR SST
H4198 1 LB
.380 AUTO 95GR FMJ

Still hasn’t shipped
CCI Per 1000 Primers LARGE PISTOL
HP38 1 LB
CCI Per 1000 Primers SMALL RIFLE BR
CCI Per 1000 Primers LARGE RIFLE BR
Winchester Per 1000 Primers 1 1/2 SML PISTOL MAG
.224"DIA. Rifle Bullets .22 55GR BK PER 500
9MM 115 GR FMC
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: liftsboxes on January 30, 2013, 06:15:38 AM
Some things available here: http://gun-deals.com/
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on January 30, 2013, 08:03:34 AM
I don't have time to read through 10 pages of posts in this thread — but I can report that here in Pittsburgh, I have been poking my head into gun shops, department stores, and sporting goods stores.

There is NO ammo ANYWHERE in the AR / AK rifle sizes at any department stores. Most stores still have lots of shotgun ammo, but many of them only have a tiny bit of defense, large game rounds and only small boxes of game rounds (not seeing many 100 round boxes of game rounds even).

For handguns, 45 ACP, 9mm, 380 etc is pretty much cleaned out, BUT I am finding boxes scattered here and there. I have been stocking up on 380, 45 long colt, and 12 gauge 00 Buck and slugs as I find them.

For the guns I own, I don't feel like the supply is DRY — but it isn't easy to find either. And prices are pretty bad except for Wal Mart. Wal Marts in my area have also placed a 3 box per day ration on ammo.

Ironically, the Wal Marts that have the most ammo are located where the gun grabbers all live! Whenever I get paid I go down to the Wally World near work and buy at least one box of rounds for each gun I own.

SOME of the rounds I am getting in small quantities at WalMart are still cheaper than what I could get in BULK ordering 1,000 rounds at a time online (if they aren't sold out).

While I feel like I may be too late to ever own a nice AR / AK rifle, I don't feel like I can't defend my home or have a problem keeping the guns I have loaded — but the panic I see everywhere (EVERY SINGLE TIME I go to a place where ammo is sold there are people in line, standing around scratching their heads, all pissed off at the government, without fail).

I consider that to be a good sign. I put in my application for my CCW permit, and I bet the damn thing doesn't even come in the 45 days required by law in my state — because they are so backed up, and the sherif in my county has been playing with the law to delay and deny people's permits, and I assume even more so now with this mad rush of people lockin' and loadin' right now.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 30, 2013, 09:28:34 AM
Yup - walmart stores in liberal/yuppie zipcodes generally have better inventory.

Also, with all due respect to TSP sponsors, 6 months ago I could get the same brand .223 ammo for less at Walmart than internet vendor prices.  Our local sales tax is high, but ammo is heavy so it's less than shipping in most cases.  I've never understood people who ordered cases worth of ammo to save $0.01 per round less than what the big box stores had.

I still have a rubbermaid bin with old 55gr American Eagle I used to get at Cabela's for $4.99.  Whenever I was there, I'd get 4 or more.  I naively assumed that's how everyone bought ammo before the internet became ubiquitous.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on January 30, 2013, 09:49:04 AM
...

Also, with all due respect to TSP sponsors, 6 months ago I could get the same brand .223 ammo for less at Walmart than internet vendor prices.  Our local sales tax is high, but ammo is heavy so it's less than shipping in most cases.  I've never understood people who ordered cases worth of ammo to save $0.01 per round less than what the big box stores had.
...
there have been times when it was a whole lot more than a few cents a round in savings.  Around January of last year I picked up 9mm $164.99/1,000 with $25 shipping (for two cases).  That's less than $9 for 50 rounds.  But you are right, folks often forget to add in the cost of shipping when calculating the cost of buying on line.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Crazy Fox on January 30, 2013, 11:22:50 AM
What blows my mind is the lack of. 22LR. Figured there would be plenty..... guess not.

My thoughts as well. I thought I'd pick some .22 LR up on the way to the range to replace my stocks, but they were completely out.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: frjoeb on January 30, 2013, 11:36:41 AM
One WalMart told me today that their store was told they would not have any more 22LR in for the next 4 months.-North Florida area
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on January 30, 2013, 12:30:31 PM
Southern AZ is about out of .22 LR.  Big box stores are selling out the day they get in a new shipment.  Specialty gun stores still have high end match (ely etc. for sale)  .22 Mag is still available but the selection is getting smaller.  I notice the internet sales of .22 mag are out of stock for now.  .223 is unavailable.  9mm and .38 special are going as well.  There is usually 158 gr round nose standard velocity available, but no self defence quality.  Most larger rifle and other pistol calibers seem to be available. (Jan 30, 2013)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LibertyBelle on January 30, 2013, 12:57:16 PM
The sporting goods manager also said Walmart Corporate is not accepting any new store orders, only pre-existing orders will be filled when available.  He didn't say they were going to stop selling ammo, just going to wait until the supply catches up.

The Wmart mgr here said pretty much the same thing, except he had to "regretfully confess" that corporate wasn't even purchasing any more ammo from right now (what they have in their distribution centers is what they have, and that's it)...that corporate is waiting to see what the Obama administration decides before they commit to buying any more because if there does end up being an out and out ban, corporate doesn't want to get stuck sitting on all that ammo with no "legal" way to get rid of it.  :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on January 30, 2013, 01:37:06 PM
The Wmart mgr here said pretty much the same thing, except he had to "regretfully confess" that corporate wasn't even purchasing any more ammo from right now (what they have in their distribution centers is what they have, and that's it)...that corporate is waiting to see what the Obama administration decides before they commit to buying any more because if there does end up being an out and out ban, corporate doesn't want to get stuck sitting on all that ammo with no "legal" way to get rid of it.  :(

Surely, face to face purchasing of ammunition has to be pretty low on the totem poll of things to restrict by legislation, especially in the small quantities that they are offering per customer. Do they fear that nobody will want to buy calibres like .223 because of government mandated tracking of sales (to see who might own certain classes of rifles)? There are lots of guns not even being considered for a ban in pretty much all of the calibres that they sell. I wonder if the Administration is pulling out various intimidation tactics to frighten them into such a stance. While that may do good for the smaller dealers out there, it's a bad thing overall.

It sounds as if another calling blitz to Walmart might be in order, though we need more information. I could fathom an Administration like this one trying to restrict the stockpiling of ammo much as had been the case is Soviet Russia and other more authoritarian regimes.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Frugal Upstate on January 30, 2013, 02:59:07 PM
The Wmart mgr here said pretty much the same thing, except he had to "regretfully confess" that corporate wasn't even purchasing any more ammo from right now (what they have in their distribution centers is what they have, and that's it)...that corporate is waiting to see what the Obama administration decides before they commit to buying any more because if there does end up being an out and out ban, corporate doesn't want to get stuck sitting on all that ammo with no "legal" way to get rid of it.  :(

Just sent your comment back to Walmart HQ in Bentonville (unattributed).  Someone is confused somewhere as their official statement from Jan 18 does NOT match up with what your manager is telling you.  So I'm wondering who is bs'ing here.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 30, 2013, 04:25:23 PM
I just traded a box of .223 of PMC (I got last year for $5.99) for several hundred speer 140gr JHP (for reloading, not ammo).  My rationale is, back in "normal times" the street value is at least 5x in my favor.  Eventually .223 will come back.

BTW: I'm down to less than 1000 pistol primers on hand, and getting anxious about it.  anyone else stressing this?

yeh...hard to feel sorry for you...  I'm new to reloading and was only able to find 100 initially.... down to 50. :)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nkawtg on January 30, 2013, 04:56:09 PM
Talking to the guys at work, they're not able to find .22 LR anywhere in Las Vegas.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 30, 2013, 05:03:54 PM
yeh...hard to feel sorry for you...  I'm new to reloading and was only able to find 100 initially.... down to 50. :)

I'm "forced" to use expensive bench rest primers for plinking.  That's an extra $0.015 per bang  :o
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LibertyBelle on January 30, 2013, 05:24:41 PM
Just sent your comment back to Walmart HQ in Bentonville (unattributed).  Someone is confused somewhere as their official statement from Jan 18 does NOT match up with what your manager is telling you.  So I'm wondering who is bs'ing here.

Thanks...let us know what they say, if anything.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: joeinwv on January 30, 2013, 05:52:47 PM
22 ammo gone, 12ga gone... 9mm very limited, 40sw available, 44mag available, 45 gone, 380 gone.

223 waaay gone, high end deer cartridges available, cheap stuff gone
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 30, 2013, 06:19:04 PM
I'm "forced" to use expensive bench rest primers for plinking.  That's an extra $0.015 per bang  :o

LOL..... I'd be willing to make that sacrifice.  Just got some more bullets delivered today so that I can start try jacketed rather than cast 9mm rounds.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 30, 2013, 06:52:02 PM
One of my "hobbies" is amateur economics. One topic I am interested in is the psychology of shortages and how people react, both from the supply side and demand side. The whole ammo shortage is like a big experiment that I hope some professional economist is gathering data. For instance, I have been watching bulkammo.com for availability and price of .223.  Pre-crisis, it was looking like $400 per 1000 (I think?). I could get the same price locally so I only bought a few boxes at a time. After crisis, there was none available at any price. Then they had some 20 round boxes, 500 round boxes, etc for about $0.90 a round. 1000 round lots was $890. They were still running out. They have slowly ramped up the price...$905, $910. Today it is $919 for 1000 rounds and every day when I check, they have something available, albeit at higher prices. I am predicting there will be a peak price, then a slow drop then a crash to <$500 per 1000.

We will see what happens, but I would hate to see $1 per trigger pull for .223. That would be a shame because I really want to go to the gun range once a month and go through 200-300 rounds until I feel comfortable shooting my AR. It would also be nice to take a class and go through 1000 rounds without being out $1000.

Oh well, time will tell. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Thox Spuddy on January 30, 2013, 06:56:24 PM
Pellets are considerably cheaper but even that is ramping up. I bought 500 .177's for $4.99 last year, now it has doubled.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on January 30, 2013, 08:12:07 PM
Powder, primers, and bullets are long gone still.  No .22LR for some weeks either.  They do still have .17HMR in quantity.  I have plenty of .22LR ammo, but if I was just getting into rimfires right now I would seriously consider getting a .17HMR such as the Ruger 10/17, etc because that ammo is ALWAYS in stock.  Then later I would get a .22LR when supplies increase.

Remember when new preppers used to be told to stick to the common calibers, like 22lr, 12 ga, 223, 308, 30-30, 9mm and 45 acp, because you will always be able to find this ammo.........
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 30, 2013, 10:11:13 PM
Remember when new preppers used to be told to stick to the common calibers, like 22lr, 12 ga, 223, 308, 30-30, 9mm and 45 acp, because you will always be able to find this ammo.........

I'm pretty sure .270 is the new .308.  For whatever reason I've seen it in stock most everyplace, as well as brass and reloading die sets.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mxitman on January 30, 2013, 10:14:58 PM
I stopped into WW the other day as it was next to the Depot. I was surprised to see .380 FMJ 100Rnd White Boxes...I bought only 2 and left 2 more on the shelf, they also had all the 30.06, 270 and 20GA you could need...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on January 30, 2013, 11:43:33 PM
Remember when new preppers used to be told to stick to the common calibers, like 22lr, 12 ga, 223, 308, 30-30, 9mm and 45 acp, because you will always be able to find this ammo.........

The other advice was to stock up before all hell broke loose. You can still find lots of those calibers. Just not in stores. In the long haul, if you only had one, two or a few guns, having them in common calibers would get you further than some random off caliber. For example, if you had something I wanted, and lived in my area, and wanted ammo in exchange, I could give you 25, 32, 9, 40, 45, 12, 22, or 308 for it. Just last month I swapped .308 FMJ for .308 steel core because somebody had it and couldn't use it (fire season restrictions). If you have one of those common calibers and needed to barter to get by, you'd be in luck. If you had something re-barreled in 270 or 16 ga, you'd be SOL. But yes, having some odd caliber guns isn't the worst idea out there either for the exact reason that they dry up last on the retail side of things.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on January 31, 2013, 08:09:05 AM
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I stopped into WW the other day as it was next to the Depot. I was surprised to see .380 FMJ 100Rnd White Boxes...I bought only 2 and left 2 more on the shelf, they also had all the 30.06, 270 and 20GA you could need...

I have been buying those up myself (the boxes are blue LOL)… I was buying them 5 boxes at a time until they put the 3 box a day ration on them (and then I would just come back later and have someone else open the cabinet). Now the one next to where I work is completely cleaned out and the only cal bier left I can use are the 45 Colts of which they have several boxes left, but expensive.

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Remember when new preppers used to be told to stick to the common calibers, like 22lr, 12 ga, 223, 308, 30-30, 9mm and 45 acp, because you will always be able to find this ammo

Some of us right now are the gun version of the dingbats who waited until AFTER the hurricane to wait in a 10 mile long line for an overpriced 5 gallons of gas for the generator (or to get home from waiting in a 10 mile long gas line).

Or at the very least, the people who run out to buy a snow shovel the day the news people say a blizzard is coming to town and expecting to find one and/or not get ripped off.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 31, 2013, 08:37:00 AM
Has anyone taken the time to do some quick math?  With the prices people are paying right now, I could have it sold in a day and pay off my wife's new car, with money left over. . . .  And the folks on the money board say to invest in silver. . . .  When I can make a 300% profit on ammo?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Cedar on January 31, 2013, 09:54:46 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/31/news/companies/walmart-gun-ammunition/index.html?iid=HP_LN&hpt=hp_t2

Cedar
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TooMuchGlass on January 31, 2013, 10:26:51 AM
I went around looking for .270 Win today, and the first place I stopped in had some Winchester Super X, 150 grain behind the counter. When I asked how much, the guy looked and then responded "too cheap, 25 bucks." I bought a box, and he said "the next one will cost you 32." Literally, I watched him rip off the price tags on about 10 boxes of the stuff and reprice it at 32 dollars.

No one has any .22lr, except, believe it or not, WM. I think I got lucky, and since I was limited to 3 boxes, I picked up 2 50 round boxes of Remington Thunderbolt for 2.19 each and 1 20 rd box of Corelokts .270 130 grain for $21.27.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PorcupineKate on January 31, 2013, 12:41:54 PM
Stopped buy a local gun shop to see if they carried reloading supplies.  They don't but they did have a few boxes of Winchester .45acp FMJ ammo for 47.99 for a box of 50!  Ouch.. I guess I will be shooting a lot more .22lr.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 31, 2013, 12:52:31 PM
I just finally found primers today for reloading.  Must have been restocking day.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on January 31, 2013, 01:23:56 PM
I just traded a box of .223 of PMC (I got last year for $5.99) for several hundred speer 140gr JHP (for reloading, not ammo).  My rationale is, back in "normal times" the street value is at least 5x in my favor.  Eventually .223 will come back.

BTW: I'm down to less than 1000 pistol primers on hand, and getting anxious about it.  anyone else stressing this?

Well... I'm not stressing anymore... LOL.... local shop just got primers in and had a limit of 1000 per type, so I got my limit on each type they had.  That will hold me a bit and keep my reloading and shooting practice going.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: lettuceman on January 31, 2013, 01:54:25 PM
TooMuch Glass,

I just bought 270 Winchester, same brand two days ago for $17.47 at Walmart.  They have a 3 box limit.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on January 31, 2013, 01:59:14 PM
Most popular deer hunting calibers are less then 20 a box here.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on January 31, 2013, 05:32:11 PM
Today it is $919 for 1000 rounds and every day when I check, they have something available, albeit at higher prices.
Oh well, time will tell.

Oh....wait. The tide may have turned. 1000 rounds 0f .223 for $910 with 36,000 rounds for sale. It is not the same ammo so that may be the difference.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on February 01, 2013, 11:50:25 AM
Stopped at the local shop.  They are fully stocked with a 5 box limit.  525 bulk blazer was $40.00.  I said no thanks.  Normally they sell it do $23.00 per box.

They were out of Bear Mace.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 4bull on February 01, 2013, 11:58:52 AM
I was checking out some of the pawn shops . Baam , 22Lr .15 ea , $0.15 each  Crap thats 75.00 for 500
I better stay home more .
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on February 01, 2013, 12:10:14 PM
Today, the local Walmart had 3 boxes of .17 HMR, 4 boxes of .270 Remington and about a half dozen boxes of bird shot. That is all. Nothing else.

The man at the counter says they get a little in every now and then, but it sells as soon as it hits the shelf.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on February 01, 2013, 01:20:03 PM
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No one has any .22lr, except, believe it or not, WM. I think I got lucky, and since I was limited to 3 boxes, I picked up 2 50 round boxes of Remington Thunderbolt for 2.19 each and 1 20 rd box of Corelokts .270 130 grain for $21.27.

I have found to get past the 3 box limit, go during the day when nobody is working in Sporting goods — and then just go to some other stores, or run errands and then come back and buy three more boxes.

I am going to go out on a limb and guess that most gun shop owners voted for Obama because he has been the best thing for the ammunition and gun business since Adolph Hitler.

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Stopped buy a local gun shop to see if they carried reloading supplies.  They don't but they did have a few boxes of Winchester .45acp FMJ ammo for 47.99 for a box of 50!  Ouch.. I guess I will be shooting a lot more .22lr.

That is INSANE!!!

It seems that it costs as much now to shoot a .45 as it USED to cost to take your Desert Eagle .50 to the range!!!!! And back then my friends were NOT buying the Desert Eagle as it cost too much to shoot!

I have been buying at least one box for each gun I own, each week when I get paid. Wally World had some more 3" 12G 00 Buck and it was pretty cheap so I picked up some of that today. They did have some 100 round boxes of 20 gauge shot shells but no 12 gauge game rounds in the large quantities (and way too much for the small boxes they had).

I am trying to have at least 1,000 rounds for each gun before I go to the range again. AND I am kicking myself for not having stocked up when it was cheap. BUT — in the reality of things I have had way more things to focus on in my life over the last couple years than guns.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on February 01, 2013, 03:04:10 PM
Just went to my local axcess of evil store Walmart! I found the had 5 boxes of 22 shorts and 7 boxes of 22 long rifle and a bunch of 12ga target loads but only four boxes of 20 round hollow point 9mm and a couple boxes of game load rifle rounds non military cals! The rifle and handgun ammo are limited to three boxes!
Our local gun shops are extremely low and evil black guns are at top dollar in my neighborhood today!  Have a great Day!!!!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on February 01, 2013, 05:17:37 PM
Found some federal 556 for 49 cents a round with a 100 round per day limit. Grabbed my daily limit. :D
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on February 01, 2013, 07:42:57 PM
Found some federal 556 for 49 cents a round with a 100 round per day limit. Grabbed my daily limit. :D

Crap.

$919 for 1000 on Bulkammo.com (Federal). Fiocchhi is $910.

And here I thought the curve was dipping down. If people would stop buying, the price would drop. ;-)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FreeLancer on February 01, 2013, 08:52:05 PM
And here I thought the curve was dipping down. If people would stop buying, the price would drop. ;-)

Never underestimate the gun owner's innate paranoia, it doesn't take much to shift us into full-on hoarding mode. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FrugalFannie on February 02, 2013, 06:34:58 AM
I have learned to just keep hitting the shops for components. I have 1 local place that can't even get anything but I call them whenever I can to see if they have anything in.I know if they do and I ask that they will hold anything I ask them to. I have 2 other shops which are about 40 minutes away and I have developed relationships with 1 person in each store. I will call and ask them what they have in and ask for them to hold stuff. I have to be flexible though. I just scored some small rifle primers but they were on strips so I had to buy the tool to go with or try to pop them all out first. I bought the tool and actually think this will be pretty good as I can prime cases without worrying about dropping primers (or rather have my son do it).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chad on February 02, 2013, 02:58:17 PM
Tried to go to the pistol range..1 hour wait, I'll try tomorrow   :'(

About the stock..
No win primers
No powder for .223
1 or 2 freedom guns
Big holes in the pistol cases
.22 one box per lane


Detroit area...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on February 02, 2013, 04:11:40 PM
Stopped at the local Bi-Mart and chatted with the clerk.  Of course they are totally out of everything, including the stacks of 25 rd boxes of Remington 00 buckshot shells.  Most of the longarms are sold out as well.  I had been looking to get maybe a lever action ro a new bolt rifle and asked when they would get more.

The clerk chuckled and said normally this would be a good time of year to buy after they have restocked post-hunting season.  But all of that has been sold and it will be months before their distribution centers restock on rifles.  She could special order from distribution whatever they still had but nothing I wanted.

It appears that if you want even a bolt rifle you need to consider the less popular calibers right now: .243, .270, 7mm Mag, .300 Win Mag, or even less common 7mm-08, .257, .260, etc.  Anything in .223, .308, .30-06 or even .22lr is getting very scarce.  I am going to check out a local gun store that has a lot of used guns for sale and see how they are doing.  I'd like to find a nice used Winchester Featherweight or Tikka in .308 or .30-06.  But I might consider a less common calibe r just in case of future times like this.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on February 02, 2013, 06:59:56 PM
A quick dash in to see what they had left in stock for both ammo and firearms.

Lots of different ammo, mostly for hunting rifle.  There was a good stock pile of 40 S&W - but the amount is down by 80% versus this time last year. 

The gun racks looks like they have been heavily picked over.  Only two high priced ar-15 style rifles left + 2 9mm Rock River lower receivers fully dressed out.  About 70% or more reduction in stock for pistols.  I was hoping to spot a Glock 17 Gen 3, but that was a pipe dream.

Primers was limited to 300, which is OK if you are loading big bore rifles, but for high volume shooting not worth the effort.  No CCI primers at all, which is my number 1 go to brand due to the many years of use and recommendation by Lee the mfg of my hand reloading tool.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on February 02, 2013, 07:23:29 PM
It appears that if you want even a bolt rifle you need to consider the less popular calibers right now: .243, .270, 7mm Mag, .300 Win Mag

???? . . .  Those are some of the most popular "bolt" action rifles for western shooters.  The last three more than the first anyway. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Crazy Fox on February 03, 2013, 07:38:09 AM
Tried to go to the pistol range..1 hour wait, I'll try tomorrow   :'(

I tried to take out a new shooter last month and we had the same experience here in the Denver area. Minimum one hour wait and standing room only in the lobby... on a Monday morning.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on February 03, 2013, 05:33:47 PM
I just checked my local Walmart.  NO pistol calibers in stock at all.  No .223.

For some reason, it appears that they will not be stocking much shotshell going forward.  They just stocked the shelves that normally hold the shotshells with camping equipment.  The reduced the variet of shotshells and moved them to another area.

They changed their store policy of limiting customers from 2 boxes to allowing up to 3 boxes.  Funny since they have less than they did a couple of months ago when they implemented the 2 "boxes to a customer" policy.

They did have 6mm, 7mm, .270, 30-30, 30-06 and .308.  They also had boxes of 00Buck for $4.96 for 5 rounds.  I wanted to buy a couple of those boxes, but I could not find an employee to unlock the glass.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nimzy88 on February 03, 2013, 05:49:13 PM
So I went to my one day a week job at the range and we just got a shipment or pmags in. 30.00 a piece with limit 2 which isn't horrible.

.40 federal range and target we are selling by the case $339/1000 and .45 360/1000 I think, it may be Jack Ross reloads though didn't really look to close.

We started making AR polymer lowers which is what another shop also in town is doing so lowers are going for $269.00.

We also have cases of 12ga. 00 I forgot how much those are, I will try to look when I go shoot tues.

It does make me want to get a glock 23 for carry, we are suppose to get some more glock factory mags in for .40 soon. Only glocks in the shop now though are 27 le
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Thox Spuddy on February 03, 2013, 06:15:41 PM
I just paid $40 for 100 9mm Winchester.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FreeLancer on February 03, 2013, 06:18:59 PM
Local gun store is almost totally devoid of guns and ammo.  I saw some .380 and Korean surplus 30-06 and that was it for ammo.  The only semi auto in the place was a Ruger MkIII, but no .22 to feed it with.

Walmart had only a little premium pistol ammo in .40 and .380, nothing in 9mm or .45,  For rifle there was no .223, or .308, only some premium hunting loads in .270 and 30-06.  There were a couple boxes of Winchester Military 00, but no other 12ga defensive rounds.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: American freak on February 03, 2013, 06:30:14 PM
I have seen something similar as Freelancer. The gun stores around my part of Houston are almost devoid of ammo and the selection in most are fearfully small. Stores that used to have walls full of choices are completely empty. Pistols seem to be limited to revolvers as well. Even shotguns are almost non existent.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chad on February 03, 2013, 06:48:19 PM
Tried again today at 3pm too go bang,bang at the pistol range :'( :'( still a 1 hour wait and this place has 16 lane's..
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on February 03, 2013, 07:06:18 PM
??? ? . . .  Those are some of the most popular "bolt" action rifles for western shooters.  The last three more than the first anyway.

I qualified my statement by saying "...less popular calibers right now such as...".  Far and away the popular calibers right now are .223, .308 and .30-06 both in ammo and components.

I agree, .243, .270 and 7mm RM are very popular in general, but for right now you can still find lots of ammo and .243" bullets and .270" but try finding .224" bullets in 55gr - 75 gr range or .308" bullets in 150 - 180 gr range.  Or try finding powder suitable for semi-autos in those three calibers.  Good luck.  I can find plenty of 4831 or R19 for my 6.5x55 but not the BL-C2, Varget or H4895 for my .308 and .30-06 semis, or H332, H335, TAC or Rl15 for the AR15.

When I was at the gun shop there was no problem finding on the rack or available from the distributor the normally popular 7mm Mag and .270, etc. Same for their ammo. So that is a good thing.  If you want a bolt gun you can still get a normally popular caliber, but not what is hot since November.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TheZenful1 on February 03, 2013, 08:14:11 PM
The local stores around the SW Chicagoland area have been in real short supply. It's been hit or miss when I've been out.

As of today; 2 Wallyworlds I stopped in, one had about 7 boxes of American Eagle 223, a boatload of 9mm($14/50), 3 boxes 40($23/50), a handful of 270 and 30-06 and some 12ga 7/8shot. The other had a couple small boxes of 22 shorts, a box or 2 of 17hmr, 8 boxes of 40 HST, little bit of 12ga 7/8shot. Of course with a 3 box limit.

Went to a gun show in the Western suburbs this morning. Plenty of 223/556, 9, 40, 45. Most 223 was priced at .85 a rnd and up. The 9 was more expensive than Wallyworld. Boy was that place plenty busy! It was hard to find a parking spot about an hour after it opened & we were packed in the building like sardines.

Heresay told me that local gun stores are have been limiting ammo purchases as well. One place had a 1 box limit!!!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on February 04, 2013, 12:26:36 PM
Ridiculous — I wasn't even about to go to the gun show here last weekend and wait in line for 10 hours and pay some admission fee to look at a bunch of empty shelves!

I did think about going at the very end of the show to see what would be left to "haggle" on, but in the end had better things to do with my time.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on February 04, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
Just picked up the only two boxes of .40S&W at Walmart. Cashier said they had only been on the shelf for forty minutes. I asked how many had been there when first stocked. She replied "just these two".
Walmart was completely out of anything in 12ga even birdshot, but big-5 had a variety of slugs, buckshot and birdshot.
No 22LR anywhere.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on February 04, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
In case anyone is looking for components, Montana Golld Bullets seems fully stocked.  These are jacketed bullets, a little more expensive than plated but cheaper than Win/Rem/Speer FMJ.  I ordered 1,000 .40 bullets and confirmation email stated 7-10 business to ship.  I did NOT notice any Out of Stock notices on any items.

Normally I shoot lead or plated bullets but I can't find any.  Montana Gold has a good reputation in the action shooting sports (along with Zero), so this was the best value I could find available.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on February 04, 2013, 06:29:14 PM
Bulkammo.com is still selling .223 for $919 for 1000. People keep buying so they keep selling. They are making a mint right now!!

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LICountryBoy on February 05, 2013, 07:56:53 AM
I have been in 2 of the nearby Dick's Sporting Goods in the past week and they are out of most 12 Ga anything except target loads.
A few boxes behind the counter of 00 in one of them.

Someone asked for .223 and the guy said 223, 9mm and .22lr are out. They get deliveries on Tues and Thursday and don't know what they will be getting. He told the customer to get on line early.
Plenty of 308. They had a bunch of other calibers as well.
20 gauge was fairly plentiful as well.

May be time to get a 20 gauge.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Roundabouts on February 05, 2013, 09:43:48 AM
Went to Bi Mart last night.  Clark county WA  Gun racks full.  Didn't look close to see what all they had wasn't shopping for those.   Ammo shelves very very very empty.   zero primers for any thing no powder the entire reload shelves low compared to what is was a month ago.  Use to be able to get 1000 rounds each cal. per day which they were not real strict with now can only get 2- 4 boxes per day.  They are very strict. 

I kind of wonder after all this hoopla is over and the dust has settled (provided the feds don't mess things up to bad)  If people will dump what they bought.  Seems there are many that are buying just cuz they are afraid someone will tell them they can't and otherwise they wouldn't give it a second thought.  humm just makes me wonder. 

I can say it is a very uneasy feeling to see such empty shelves is so many stores.  This is worse than last time.  You know makes me wonder if this was meds or food.  Scary.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 05, 2013, 11:12:50 AM
Went to Bi Mart last night.  Clark county WA  Gun racks full.  Didn't look close to see what all they had wasn't shopping for those.   Ammo shelves very very very empty.   zero primers for any thing no powder the entire reload shelves low compared to what is was a month ago.  Use to be able to get 1000 rounds each cal. per day which they were not real strict with now can only get 2- 4 boxes per day.  They are very strict. 

I kind of wonder after all this hoopla is over and the dust has settled (provided the feds don't mess things up to bad)  If people will dump what they bought.  Seems there are many that are buying just cuz they are afraid someone will tell them they can't and otherwise they wouldn't give it a second thought.  humm just makes me wonder. 

I can say it is a very uneasy feeling to see such empty shelves is so many stores.  This is worse than last time.  You know makes me wonder if this was meds or food.  Scary.

The "universal background check" thing, should it pass, could be very interesting indeed.  It will become considerably more convenient to sell via consignment or sell directly to FFL/pawn shop if FTF sales are illegal.

Whether selling a top of the line match grade AR-15 or a beat up deer gun, there could be a $35+ transfer fee.  Given that "flat tax", it could discourage budget guns, in the same manor flat rate shipping encourages you to buy more online.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LICountryBoy on February 05, 2013, 11:28:16 AM
The gun racks at Dick's were bare. A couple of shotguns and one or two bolt actions left.
I tried going to a couple "local" stores but they have been packed, can't get parking so I did not go to check.

 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on February 05, 2013, 03:31:27 PM
22 magnum is gone around here...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on February 05, 2013, 07:45:49 PM
Wasn't in the market fore anything, but I checked a store while I was out today just to see stock levels. There were about 5 boxes of 30-06, 7 boxes 7mm rem mag, the only 12 gauge was 2 boxes each of the winchester home defense loads (slug with 3 00 balls) and 3 1/2" 00 buck. 4 boxes of 410 winchester pdx1 shotshells (defense disks and bb shot), 2 boxes of 45 colt Winchester pdx1, and 4 boxes of the winchester combo packs of 410 shells and 45 colt. there were several boxes of 20 gauge slugs and bird shot, but no buckshot. also there was 1 50rnd box of 22 mag.

That was it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on February 05, 2013, 08:33:11 PM
Bulkammo.com is still selling .223 for $919 for 1000. People keep buying so they keep selling. They are making a mint right now!!


Another day and still $919 for 1000 rounds of .223. Inventory seems to have crept up as there are 39000 rounds ready to ship from bulkammo.com this evening. A few weeks ago, they would post inventory and it would be gone before I went to bed.

I expect the situation to break in a week or two when people get tired of the high prices and the proposed weapons ban dies in the House.

Of course, the high capacity magazine ban will move forward so I will have to live with the five I have. **sigh** I would have liked to have a dozen.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on February 06, 2013, 12:19:10 AM
Found some federal 556 for 49 cents a round with a 100 round per day limit. Grabbed my daily limit. :D
Their all sold out. :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on February 07, 2013, 04:34:36 PM
Okay everyone, here it is - the secret weapon.  This is a big deal for us who have been looking all over the net for ammo. This shows what's in stock and cost per round at all the major online retailers, updated every 90 seconds!  Unfortunately it also shows how expensive ammo is too.  But I find it a very good tool.  Note - I did not build this and have no ties to the website.

http://www.gunbot.net/index.php?cal=223556 (http://www.gunbot.net/index.php?cal=223556)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Saint-TyR on February 07, 2013, 04:49:48 PM
Okay everyone, here it is - the secret weapon.  This is a big deal for us who have been looking all over the net for ammo. This shows what's in stock and cost per round at all the major online retailers, updated every 90 seconds!  Unfortunately it also shows how expensive ammo is too.  But I find it a very good tool.  Note - I did not build this and have no ties to the website.

http://www.gunbot.net/index.php?cal=223556 (http://www.gunbot.net/index.php?cal=223556)

Awesome resource! Thank you for sharing! Yes, it is sad to see the high price per round for 223!

Stay safe!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BiggBake on February 07, 2013, 05:25:22 PM
Great link!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bennington1776 on February 08, 2013, 03:05:22 AM
Great link
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on February 08, 2013, 07:46:59 AM
Those are some frightening prices, though some of the backordered items offer the hopes of a return to sanity.

The timing of the Sandy Hook tragedy just before Christmas, as the gun industry was ramping down for the holidays and all the gun control talk that followed created a lot more uncertainty than had it occured at another part of the year, and now we're into a season where ammunition manufacturers have traditionally directed a bulk of their production towards government contracts before going back to civilian production.

As a Canadian, I've been fortunate that our gunshops haven't been hit with the panic that afflicted the US, and most of us have had the time to top up on any gaps in our personal ammo stockpiles without paying extra or shopping around like mad just to find things. Nevertheless, we also have to plan for the fact that once our US supplies run out, that we can expect nothing until at least a couple of months after the manufacturers have caught up to US demand. So minus a few cases of shotshells for trap and .22 Magnum (for which my closest dealer has lots of stock and only a few buyers), I minimally needed to ensure enough ammunition for the next two years (assuming that I'll shoot about twice a month) plus  some reserve.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on February 08, 2013, 11:16:25 AM
I went gun stuff shopping yesterday in Oregon.  Cabela's had a surprisingly good selection of long arms, some pistols and ammunition.  Same story at a Portland area place called Fisherman's Supply.

Self-defense ammo is very scarce.  Remington Golden Saber seemed the most available with some HydraShok, CorBon and Hornady. Speer Gold Dot and Winchester PDX11/Ranger is non-existent.  These larger sporting goods places had limits on number of boxes of ammo permitted per purchase.  There was bulk ammo in everything EXCEPT .223 of course.  Fisherman's had some AE223 lac box for $13/20.  About twice what it was in October.  Cabela's was even selling primers (mostly Federal) with a limit if 2,000.  Hardly any .224" bullets except the 40 gr variety. Did not see any 12 ga buckshot or slugs, and very limited .22LR.

Both places had at least a couple of XD, M&P, HK, and SIGs, and LOTS of 1911s at only slightly elevated prices.  Fisherman's actually had the only Glock I have seen for a while, a Gen3 G22 still at $519.  Now is a great time to buy a 1911.

DA Revolvers are as scarce as pistols.  Every place has a couple of .357 and snub-nosed .38, and black powder or Single actions. But you can;t be too choosey on the DA revolver front.  I MADE A HUGE SCORE at Cabela's finding a nice S&W Model 29 Mountain gun (Cabela's "Outfitter" special) with both rounded wood and Hogue grips, 4" barrel.  A beauty and it was less than other places for the regular M29 at $859.  Just as I was finishing up deciding to get it another clerk was helping a customer who wanted that exact gun and it was their last one.  This is a beauty and is well balanced. It replaces the Redhawk 4" custom I traded away years ago, and as much as I  loved that Redhawk, this M29 Mountain Gun is even better in the hand.  The Redhawks and M629s I have seen on the shelves before were all in the $900-$1050 range.

I was surprised at all the rifles available at both large sporting goods stores.  The smaller shops were cleaned out of all rifles in general but especially in .223, .308, and .30-06.  Both of these larger stores had rifles in abundance and Cabelas had a Clearance rack with some good deals.  I found a Sako A7 in .30-06 synthetic/stainless for $700, which is the same price as the Tikka T3 (not on clearance).  I had never considered Sako, though a friend really likes them and the Tikkas as being very lightweight and accurate.  When I held the Sako I knew this was the rifle. Trim, excellent handling, super smooth bolt and only 60 degree bolt lift.  I had an extra scope with me just in case so had them mount it.  All of the rifle prices look maybe only $50 higher than in October, whereas at the smaller shops they were sometimes grossly inflated.  Cabela's had a pretty full rack of new and used rifles as well.

All stores I have visited this week had at least 3-4 AR15 or AK style rifles, but at $1,500 - $3,000.  If you really want one, they are out there.

Every place was crawling with guys and gals buying ANYTHING gun related. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.  Cabela's had three people running background checks and they were swamped.  This was mid-day during the week, when folks ought to be at work!  I took the day off just to jump on the M29 deal I saw on line (2 hr drive).

Overall, stores like Cabela's and Fisherman's are offering broader selection at near normal prices and smaller gun stores have less selection at higher prices.  In the Portland area one of the largest gun shops, Keith's normally has good prices but they are just insane on everything.  A small local chain, The Gun Broker, had near normal prices and friendly staff.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nimzy88 on February 08, 2013, 12:11:15 PM
Pmags are back in stock at pretty much all the shops in town, $25-$30, brownells metal mags are a bit cheaper.

Ammo still pretty bare, long rifles too. Pistols you can find a few S&W's and sigs. Glocks are gone unless you are LEO and then maybe its 27's.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on February 08, 2013, 01:16:33 PM
I saw Pmags at the gun shop today for $45.  :o

(I did not buy any.)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 08, 2013, 01:47:04 PM
Speaking of Glocks, what's the current expected retail price for a model 20?  A small (yuppie) shop near my office has the standard and "SF" model (both same price).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on February 08, 2013, 05:07:26 PM
Speaking of Glocks, what's the current expected retail price for a model 20?  A small (yuppie) shop near my office has the standard and "SF" model (both same price).

Depends on whether they have night sights and whether they are gen4 (gen4s come with 3 magazines). But 529 -579 for basic ones, a little more with night sights
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 08, 2013, 05:23:50 PM
Well these didn't have night sights and started at $735.00  (pretty sure gen4)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on February 08, 2013, 06:09:11 PM
Almost zero ammo on the shelves this morning at the local Sports store.  However; they did have a line about 50+ folks long going to the counter to buy the shipment that came in last night.  What I was told this is common, every Friday folks would line up to get their chance at magazines, ar-15 style rifles and ammo.

Oh; they did have a fair supply of shotgun ammo, I did see one and only one ar-15 rifle being displayed.  But that was going to be bought before I could even ID what brand / price it was selling at.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on February 08, 2013, 08:46:37 PM
OK...there may be a break, but I am holding off. 500 rounds of .223 for $379. That is 0.754 per round. Not pre-crisis levels, but the best I've seen in a long time.

http://www.bulkammo.com/rifle/bulk-.223-ammo

5000 rounds in stock.

Hold out a little longer folks. The tide has turned.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on February 08, 2013, 09:42:57 PM
OK...there may be a break, but I am holding off. 500 rounds of .223 for $379. That is 0.754 per round. Not pre-crisis levels, but the best I've seen in a long time.

http://www.bulkammo.com/rifle/bulk-.223-ammo

5000 rounds in stock.

Hold out a little longer folks. The tide has turned.

Less than one hour later....gone. **sigh**
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on February 09, 2013, 11:23:50 AM
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... An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion. In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities.

To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years....

Full Editorial:
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/dhs-solicits-for-another-2-6-million-rounds-of-ammo/

No wonder inventories are in the toilet and forecasts are grim as to when things will improve.

The crazy thing that I can't seem to wrap my head around is what kind of country they think they are going to have left if they launch a full scale war against their own citizens?  I would think that it would cost less lives, cost less money, take much less effort, and just plain be smarter to lead on a majority view based on the guidance that our founding fathers left us, which to date has proven to be better for its people than any other.

.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on February 09, 2013, 04:24:06 PM
One of our local shops has a sister company that sells match grade ammo (trajetech), so we stopped in today and the ammo they had primarily on the shelves was their blemishes (e.g. .30-06, .308, .223, .45ACP, 9mm).  It was reasonably priced so got a few boxes of 9mm and then some boxes of .308.  They had enough that they weren't imposing any quantity limits today.  The only thing they didn't seem to have were .380 FMJ, although they did have some Gold Dot.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Rayray250 on February 09, 2013, 05:06:02 PM
Full Editorial:
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/dhs-solicits-for-another-2-6-million-rounds-of-ammo/

No wonder inventories are in the toilet and forecasts are grim as to when things will improve.

The crazy thing that I can't seem to wrap my head around is what kind of country they think they are going to have left if they launch a full scale war against their own citizens?  I would think that it would cost less lives, cost less money, take much less effort, and just plain be smarter to lead on a majority view based on the guidance that our founding fathers left us, which to date has proven to be better for its people than any other.

.

Agreed Nelson, I don't know what they are thinking but my gut says it they aren't buying that much for a turkey shoot.  Unless we are the turkeys.... 8)

At Gander Mountain I got 5 boxes of American eagle 223 for 8.99 a box on a 5 box limit and 500 rounds of 22 LR on a one box limit.  Will check back there again next Wednesday.

They keep everything except shotgun ammo and hunting rifle calibers behind the counter now lol.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: scaffdog on February 09, 2013, 06:15:56 PM
I have even been having problems finding reloading gear.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 09, 2013, 10:46:20 PM
First thing tomorrow I will conduct a mad scientist experience:

small rifle primers in .38 special brass

The charge is a reduced "cowboy" load, and I'm using my largest revolver (Ruger GP100), so the risk is low.

If this works, it could mean further consolidation of a single primer type for all my (small) pistols and .223 reloads.
A range report will follow.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: frjoeb on February 09, 2013, 11:38:55 PM
From North Florida-I just got back from Wal-Mart and picked up 2 boxes of Winchester 9mm 115 grain FMJ box of 100 for $24.95 each. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Luvmy45 on February 10, 2013, 12:17:28 PM
First thing tomorrow I will conduct a mad scientist experience:

small rifle primers in .38 special brass

The charge is a reduced "cowboy" load, and I'm using my largest revolver (Ruger GP100), so the risk is low.

If this works, it could mean further consolidation of a single primer type for all my (small) pistols and .223 reloads.
A range report will follow.

Will work fine, you may get a 5 to 10fps gain, usually not enough notice unless your running the ragged edge of max. I don't notice a difference in my loads,
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on February 10, 2013, 07:32:53 PM
First thing tomorrow I will conduct a mad scientist experience:

small rifle primers in .38 special brass

The charge is a reduced "cowboy" load, and I'm using my largest revolver (Ruger GP100), so the risk is low.

If this works, it could mean further consolidation of a single primer type for all my (small) pistols and .223 reloads.
A range report will follow.

Rifle primers are a bit harder than pistol primers. The first time i fire-formed 303 british brass into brass 410 shotshells, i seated large rifle primers. None of the 410s i tried would fire the primers. Decapped and reprimed with large pistol primers, fired lust fine.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Heavy G on February 10, 2013, 08:38:23 PM
500 .223 reloads... $695.  I crap you negative (translated: I shit you not).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on February 10, 2013, 08:56:48 PM
500 .223 reloads... $695.  I crap you negative (translated: I shit you not).

Ouch! I guess they'll refer to that as a "California Legal" sale if the latest proposed bill passes in its current form.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on February 10, 2013, 09:47:32 PM
500 .223 reloads... $695.  I crap you negative (translated: I shit you not).

Divine Feces (translated : Holy Crap!)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 11, 2013, 07:43:40 AM
another nice link for scouting ammo prices online is ammoseek.com
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Thox Spuddy on February 11, 2013, 03:16:57 PM
This, I believe, is what is happening: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/10/DHS-Ammo-Purchases-Gun-Control-By-Another-Name (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/10/DHS-Ammo-Purchases-Gun-Control-By-Another-Name)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 11, 2013, 03:22:17 PM
That's a bit of stretch, as the .gov uses a narrow range of calibers compared with the overall civilian market.
However common components (again I find myself obsessing on primers) could potentially be diverted towards government orders.

I still believe 90% of the reason we can't find what we want at the sporting good store is because of civilian gun owners. I frequently check craigslist and find ads that are clearly people selling things they aren't familiar with.  At first I assumed theft, but now I think many are hoarders looking to make a quick buck.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on February 11, 2013, 03:33:12 PM
This, I believe, is what is happening: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/10/DHS-Ammo-Purchases-Gun-Control-By-Another-Name (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/10/DHS-Ammo-Purchases-Gun-Control-By-Another-Name)
I have a couple problems with this theory, the first being is that most federal agencies use 40 S&W, which by most accounts is still available and very few are still using 9mm (other than the military), which has a serious shortage of supply.  Then there's the shortages in 7.62x39, which isn't used at all by the US government, even the military, and mostly comes in from the Russians, not US manufacturers (thus, no competition for primers or other components manufactured in the US).

I still think this is a supply and demand issue.  Too many new gun buyers trying to put up a cache of a thousand rounds (if there were a half million ARs and AKs sold in the last 90 days and each buyer wanted 1,000 rounds, that's a half billion rounds of new demand all by itself.  If there were already 4-5 million ARs and AKs in the US and each person wanted up put up another 1,000 rounds, that's another five billion rounds of demand, which makes the DHS purchases of the last two years pale in comparison.  Of course it should be seen as reassuring that you and your neighbors have purchased more ammunition in the last 90 days than the federal government has in the last two years.  It gives me some hope. ;)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on February 11, 2013, 03:41:29 PM
it should be seen as reassuring that you and your neighbors have purchased more ammunition in the last 90 days than the federal government has in the last two years.  It gives me some hope. ;)

It can't hurt.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: oley454 on February 11, 2013, 04:18:29 PM
My local Dunham's Sports had 7.62x54r for $90 a spam can.  I got there five minutes after they opened and a dbag had bought them all.  I call him a dbag because twenty minutes later its listed on armslist for $135 a can.  All i wanted was one can. 
On the other hand Wally World had Federal 22lr in stock so I picked up two boxes.  The clerk there said that the same group of people were showing up on resupply day and buying him out until he put a three box limit.  Then they stopped showing up.  It's just plain frustrating.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FreeLancer on February 11, 2013, 04:49:47 PM
MidwayUSA emailed me Sat that they had just received Ruger Gunsite 10rd mags, but the were gone before I got home and I barely was able to get 2 5rd mags (tried to get more, but they limit to 2).

Surprisingly they notified me today that they had more 10s, so I went through the pain of navigating their site on my iPhone and was successful. Price with shipping was $35 for both sizes.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on February 12, 2013, 09:07:11 AM
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=41236
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on February 12, 2013, 11:39:33 AM
Has anyone ever seen these?  This is a 50 round magazine made by ruger.  It is like having two Butler Creek 25 round mags pressed together.  But this is all a single mold.  My local store had three of these.  Since I have three boys who will each need one, I picked up all three.

http://www.slickguns.com/product/ruger-1022-bx25-2-50-round-magazine-6499-free-shipping
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on February 12, 2013, 11:57:32 AM
Has anyone ever seen these?  This is a 50 round magazine made by ruger.  It is like having two Butler Creek 25 round mags pressed together.  But this is all a single mold.  My local store had three of these.  Since I have three boys who will each need one, I picked up all three.

http://www.slickguns.com/product/ruger-1022-bx25-2-50-round-magazine-6499-free-shipping

Everything i have read says that these mags are excellent. Have not seen one complaint about them yet.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Thox Spuddy on February 12, 2013, 02:09:33 PM
That's a bit of stretch, as the .gov uses a narrow range of calibers compared with the overall civilian market.
However common components (again I find myself obsessing on primers) could potentially be diverted towards government orders.

I still believe 90% of the reason we can't find what we want at the sporting good store is because of civilian gun owners. I frequently check craigslist and find ads that are clearly people selling things they aren't familiar with.  At first I assumed theft, but now I think many are hoarders looking to make a quick buck.

Quote
The DHS has signed off on an “indefinite delivery” from defense contractors ATK that will include, for some reason, nearly 500 million high-power ammunition for .40 caliber firearms.
http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/04/usda-orders-326000-rounds-of-ammunition-as-homeland-security-stays-quiet-over-450-million-round-order/ (http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/04/usda-orders-326000-rounds-of-ammunition-as-homeland-security-stays-quiet-over-450-million-round-order/)

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The solicitation for the ammunition, supposedly to be used for training purposes, includes 100 quantities of 100,000 rounds of 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point bullets, 100 quantities of 100,000 rounds of pistol cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed hollow point bullets, and 40 quantities of 40,000 rounds of pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets.

http://truthisscary.com/2013/02/coming-civil-unrest-department-of-homeland-security-orders-another-21-6-million-rounds-of-ammo/ (http://truthisscary.com/2013/02/coming-civil-unrest-department-of-homeland-security-orders-another-21-6-million-rounds-of-ammo/)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 12, 2013, 02:29:12 PM
Has anyone ever seen these?  This is a 50 round magazine made by ruger.  It is like having two Butler Creek 25 round mags pressed together.  But this is all a single mold.  My local store had three of these.  Since I have three boys who will each need one, I picked up all three.

http://www.slickguns.com/product/ruger-1022-bx25-2-50-round-magazine-6499-free-shipping

I own some of the BX-25s.  I paid about $25 each.  One of them had a spring problem the first time I used it, but after a quick re-assembly it's been perfect for thousands of rounds.  I highly recommend them.  In fact, I keep one loaded with CCI stingers in the night stand safe, as backup for the backup.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on February 12, 2013, 07:01:42 PM
Has anyone ever seen these?  This is a 50 round magazine made by ruger.  It is like having two Butler Creek 25 round mags pressed together.  But this is all a single mold.  My local store had three of these.  Since I have three boys who will each need one, I picked up all three.

http://www.slickguns.com/product/ruger-1022-bx25-2-50-round-magazine-6499-free-shipping

That's all I buy for new mag's now, they are awesome.  Have had zero issues after thousands of rounds.  Can't say that for the Butler Creek plastic lipped mag's.  I have noticed that Butler Creek is now making something similar.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Dangerous Dan on February 12, 2013, 09:15:26 PM
I have been looking for 9mm for three weeks without any success here in middle TN. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 12, 2013, 10:38:18 PM
I have been looking for 9mm for three weeks without any success here in middle TN.

heh - perhaps the redeeming quality of a blue state is there's not as much competition for ammo.

Actually 9mm, .40sw and .223 are scarce in the Seattle area, as we also have a decent sized mall ninja population.  I've been stocking up on wheel gun ammo after I found it on sale :)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cep89 on February 13, 2013, 06:25:47 AM
I have been looking for 30 30 since I got a Marlin and it was gone.  But now 2 week later I'm starting to find it at reasonable prices $16.00 per 20.  9mm, 223, 308 and 22Lr are still gone.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 13, 2013, 11:29:14 AM
ditto on the .22lr.  What's the deal?  Most of the threatening legislation has exempted rimfire.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on February 13, 2013, 11:40:23 AM
ditto on the .22lr.  What's the deal?  Most of the threatening legislation has exempted rimfire.
It might just come down to it being the one round that people can still afford to stockpile in large quantities.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: frjoeb on February 13, 2013, 12:32:32 PM
Call your local Wal-Mart around midnight to find out if what you need came in.  They have unloaded the trucks and stock is in the depts.  You can get to it before everyone does in the morning.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on February 13, 2013, 05:11:59 PM
When cheap 223/7639/54539 and 9mm are gone it makes 22 at 5 cents a round very appealing...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on February 13, 2013, 05:38:30 PM
ditto on the .22lr.  What's the deal?  Most of the threatening legislation has exempted rimfire.

The legislation has exempted semiauto 22 rimfires that feed from a tubular magazine, but the detachable magazine feed ones are treated just like their centerfire cousins. In all of the various peices of ammo legislation i have seen, i have not seen the 22 exempted.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on February 13, 2013, 06:30:05 PM
Stopped into a gunshop in Springfield, OH at lunch time.  They had bulk packs of .22LR in, but it was double price of last Fall... $45/500ct.  .380 and 9mm was in limited qty, but only a few dollars higher per box of 50ct than last fall.  For rifles, they had plenty of .308 at basically the same price as last Fall (200rds for $160), but their .223 in 2000 rd bulk pack was listed for $1600.  Smaller quantities were about a $1/round.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mgw44 on February 13, 2013, 09:02:22 PM
.223 was available at dick's sporting goods in Grand Rapids mi today.  Some handgun ammo too but no .22lr
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on February 13, 2013, 09:03:35 PM
Stopped into a gunshop in Springfield, OH at lunch time.  They had bulk packs of .22LR in, but it was double price of last Fall... $45/500ct. 

WTF!? 45 bucks for a brick of .22?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Heavy G on February 13, 2013, 09:05:11 PM
A friend said there is almost no .40 here.  Whoa.  There is usually much more .40 on hand than 9mm. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on February 13, 2013, 09:09:29 PM
their .223 in 2000 rd bulk pack was listed for $1600.  Smaller quantities were about a $1/round.

Are people paying it? . . . .  Man I wish I had invested in more, to sell.  I have plenty, but am holding on to it like gold.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on February 13, 2013, 09:37:52 PM
I'm finding that the shops that sold in large volumes that have now implemented limits are able to keep some inventory, at least for ball 9mm, 5.56, .40, .45 and 7.62x39 and hold the prices to not insane (I didn't say good prices, but at least not insane).  The smaller shops just can't keep many calibers on the shelves, especially 9mm and 5.56.  It's funny, because in 2008 it was the opposite and 7.62x39 and .40 were like unicorn farts, but 9mm and 5.56 was still available.  I wonder how much of that is re-tooling for .40 production after the shortage and the opening up of the Russian markets now vs. major changes in demand ratios?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on February 14, 2013, 03:57:41 AM
Our local walmart now has 2 boxes of 12ga 00 buck, 1 box of slugs, 2 boxes of 300 win mag, and several 20rnd boxes of federal 9mm hp's, for 19.95.

This is in addition to my last post.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 14, 2013, 06:58:20 AM
A friend said there is almost no .40 here.  Whoa.  There is usually much more .40 on hand than 9mm. 

in Tucson 40 and 9mm were some of the first pistol calibers to go. the only thing that is usually in stock is 45, that's the only ammo i've never seen completely out.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: raveneye on February 14, 2013, 09:57:53 AM
I am seeing much the same thing in St Louis.  22lr, 380, 9mm, and 223/556 are all hard to find, as are many reloading components.

In about a dozen trips to Bass Pro Shop over the last month, I have only seen 22lr on the shelf once.  It was Win Wildcats for $2.20 a box, with a 10 box limit, and it disappeared fast.  At a local gun show over the weekend, a couple of people had bricks on the table for $45.  These were not normal ammo dealers, just guys that had a couple in the safe that they were willing to part with for those prices.  They weren't selling many, but there were occasional buyers willing to go that high.  Bird shot and sub-sonic (primer only) rounds can be found, but not many are interested.

9mm rounds cannot be found at retail outlets.  There is a local indoor range that was charging $25 per 50 for target loads with a strick limit of 1 box for range use only.  I have heard of other ranges struggling to keep it on the shelves with similar limits.  Even the personal protection rounds are hard to find, even though they are commanding much higher prices.

9mm bullets can be found easier than the ammo, but they are not guaranteed to be on the shelf. I have seen 124gr LRN for $9/100 and 124gr FMJ for $13/100.  It has been a long time since I have seen any JHP, even though the price tags are in the $18-20/100 range on the empty shelf.

380 seems even rarer than 9mm.  I saw boxes of 100 Win target loads for $38 a couple weeks ago, but have not seen anything since.  There were some cases of target loads at BulkAmmo late last night for about $.45/round, but they did not last until morning.

The last 223 I saw was on the table at a gunshow for $16/box of 20.  Again, nothing readily available at the big-box shops, but some can be found in smaller shops and in the secondary markets.  It seems to be a little cheaper than the $1/round national average.

The real challenge has been finding small pistol primers.  Small rifle primers have recently gotten just as hard to find.  I did find one small shop that keeps a few trays of primers behind the counter, and if you walk up to the register with a hand full of merchandise and ask about them while checking out, they will toss in a tray of 100 for $4.  That is the only place I have seen them in the last 2 months.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on February 14, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
We're seeing a little 223/5.56, and a smattering of .22. We have found that the .22 bricks sell online for $75!  Theyre not even going in the ammo case anymore. Still seems that we are one of the only shops keeping much in stock locally though. Still not enough coming in to feel comfortable though, especially .22.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bennington1776 on February 15, 2013, 12:59:19 AM
Keep getting emails from Freedom Munitions but by the time I get to their site everything is gone.  Maybe tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Alpha Mike on February 15, 2013, 09:32:30 AM
We need a laugh here -
I was looking online for ammo and as expected everything was on "backorder".  Clicked on a new page and there was a picture of some 9mm ammo and it listed them as in stock.  The price was low too.  I clicked on the picture with out really reading the description only to find I was looking as snap caps.    :rofl:
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on February 15, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
Got an email from midway usa that said they have 45-70 brass in stock. I requested notification for that as well as 45 colt, and 30-30 at the same time. They aren't expecting to have either of those in until APRIL.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on February 15, 2013, 09:53:21 AM
A friend from out of state was visiting and just getting into reloading.  He mentioned he wanted to look around our area for small rifle primers as that is the one component he does not have much of.  Told him no way he will find anything on the shelves, but I could give him a couple thousand from my stocks. 

Later on I was checking reloading supply sites to forward to him for reference and discovered one online actually has primers in stock!! So I ordered 5,000 Wolf .223 primers and they should be here within a couple of weeks.  They are almost $40/1,000 but locally I was paying $34 so it is not that much more and the Wolf .223 primers are hard to find in stock anytime.  I think the CCI and other rands are like $45/1000 or something.
http://www.brunoshooters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BSS&Category_Code=WOLFSMMAG (http://www.brunoshooters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BSS&Category_Code=WOLFSMMAG)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: raveneye on February 15, 2013, 10:10:27 AM
If you really want to get your hands on some 9mm, 380, or 40 S&W, I would recommend bulkammo.com.  Over the last week, I have seen 9mm ball show up there about 4-5 times at prices of about $.37 per round for steel case to $.47 for brass case.  When it shows up, it disappears within an hour, so you have to check frequently and act fast.  Also, don't forget to used your MSB code for $10 off purchases of $200 or more (look the code up before you need it, so you are ready to place your order quickly).  380 is rarer, but I have seen target ammo for $.45 per round.

Before I started typing this post, they had 86 boxes (50 rounds) of Remington 9mm MC for $23.  Now it is only 39 boxes available.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: raveneye on February 15, 2013, 10:21:17 AM
And... it's gone.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Call on February 15, 2013, 08:35:43 PM
Boy, I hate to do this to my American cousins, but there are no visible shortages up here in Canada. I just came back from the Toronto Bass Pro Shop and the small Hamilton gun shop I go to. All shelves are stocked, including reloading sections. That includes .40, 9 mm, and all rifle calibres. No issues with shotshells, either, you can still pick up 150 double-ought buckshot shells for $120.00.

At my local ship I bought two 500-round bricks of .22LR ($22.00 each), and 250 rounds of surplus 7.62X39 for $0.28/round. We can also still get 1600 rounds of .223 for $499.00 by mail order within Canada.

I haven't seen any price increase, shortages, or heavier-than-usual buying.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on February 15, 2013, 10:29:18 PM
Boy, I hate to do this to my American cousins, but there are no visible shortages up here in Canada. I just came back from the Toronto Bass Pro Shop and the small Hamilton gun shop I go to. All shelves are stocked, including reloading sections. That includes .40, 9 mm, and all rifle calibres. No issues with shotshells, either, you can still pick up 150 double-ought buckshot shells for $120.00.

At my local ship I bought two 500-round bricks of .22LR ($22.00 each), and 250 rounds of surplus 7.62X39 for $0.28/round. We can also still get 1600 rounds of .223 for $499.00 by mail order within Canada.

I haven't seen any price increase, shortages, or heavier-than-usual buying.

Looks like it is time to get a boat and start smuggling side business at night. Load it up with ammo and sell down here from a parking lot at night.  How much is your fine Canadian Whiskey?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on February 15, 2013, 11:36:47 PM
Boy, I hate to do this to my American cousins, but there are no visible shortages up here in Canada. I just came back from the Toronto Bass Pro Shop and the small Hamilton gun shop I go to. All shelves are stocked, including reloading sections. That includes .40, 9 mm, and all rifle calibres. No issues with shotshells, either, you can still pick up 150 double-ought buckshot shells for $120.00.

At my local ship I bought two 500-round bricks of .22LR ($22.00 each), and 250 rounds of surplus 7.62X39 for $0.28/round. We can also still get 1600 rounds of .223 for $499.00 by mail order within Canada.

I haven't seen any price increase, shortages, or heavier-than-usual buying.

I can second the above, but have asked around a couple of dealers about what they have in stock and what they've been getting in. The timing of the arrival of inexpensive but good Norinco .223 was very fortunate, but I was told by one of the main importers that while they originally got hold of enough ammo in China to feed our market for about a year, that it's been selling alot faster on account of what's happened in the States, so it's unclear whether I'll be able to purchase another crate myself later on. Another Toronto area dealer told me that while they've got good supplies of most ammo at the moment, that they probably won't be able to say the same several weeks from now, at least for their US produced goods.

There are some localized shortages of .22LR in some parts of the country now, and at least one importer was marketing 5000 rounds of Winchester Wildcat at $299, which is nearly double what it used to go for. I'll keep picking up extra bulk packs of .22LR, which are still available around here at a decent price, but am fully anticipating a shortage later on. What's likely going to happen is that we'll get shortages as the weather warms and people heading to the range discover that our stores won't be resupplied until at least a few months after everything returns to normal in the US. At least this allows those of us who shoot regularly to increase our stockpiles in a calm, orderly fashion while taking the lesson from what's happened in the US to be more prepared for potential shortages in the future.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: robertov416 on February 16, 2013, 08:17:19 AM
WTF!? 45 bucks for a brick of .22?

Are people paying it? . . . .  Man I wish I had invested in more, to sell.  I have plenty, but am holding on to it like gold.

People were certainly buying it.  I know the owner and think he was trying to slow people down a bit so that everyone that comes in would have a shot at buying at least a bit.

Nelson.... Roger that.... I'm holding what I have, although I did sell a few rounds to a friend that wanted to test his new AR-15.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 16, 2013, 09:40:27 AM
The .22 situation is highly annoying.  If you're like me, you always bring along your favorite rimfire as a secondary gun to the range. 

If I'm running low on centerfire ammo, or simply want to extend my range day, that's always been the beauty of low cost rimfire.
Currently I have 5 unopened Fed Champion bricks, plus a dozen or so 100round CCI minimag plastic boxes.

I'm not in any trouble, but I also can't afford to hand a brick to my son to blast away in a weekend.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on February 16, 2013, 01:52:13 PM
bought a magazine for a glock23 (13 rounds) ...  $32
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nimzy88 on February 16, 2013, 03:31:58 PM
bought a magazine for a glock23 (13 rounds) ...  $32

MidwayUSA had them about a week ago. I just got my 2 at $24.00 a piece
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on February 16, 2013, 07:20:56 PM
I've been able to find a little 9mm and .38 here and there ( in southeast Mi ) but sadly it's only the overpriced hollow points.   
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Beetle on February 17, 2013, 12:37:23 AM
If you need AR mags try the Mako Group. They are in stock.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Thox Spuddy on February 17, 2013, 09:28:28 PM
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/ (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/)

Is this causing a shortage?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Call on February 18, 2013, 08:05:10 AM
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/ (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/)

Is this causing a shortage?

Not to any serious extent, if you consider the math. Take an estimated 3 million AR-15 owners in the U.S., add in a bunch of new owners who bought one based on concern about the AWB, and multiple that by 1000 rounds of ammunition each. That gets you a lot more rounds being sold all at the same time to people concerned of restrictions.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on February 18, 2013, 08:49:40 AM
A range buddy said that he recently visited a gun show.  He said bricks of .22 (qty 550) were selling from $60 to $80.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on February 18, 2013, 10:18:10 AM
Quote
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/

Is this causing a shortage?

I would say it is a combination of that and the subsequent replies. Yeah, DHS is scaring the crap out of gun owners and I am sure 1.4 BILLION rounds in a span of 10 months is putting enough pressure on the supply as-is — BUT in combination with the fear-mongering that "they" are about to take our guns and ammo, they have also scared the population into buying up the entire existing supply at 2X - 3X more than they would have paid for it 10 months ago.

They OBVIOUSLY are preparing for SOMETHING when you put that into the context of everything else that is being pushed forward legislatively and through the executive branch without legislative backing.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on February 18, 2013, 05:55:40 PM
The .22 situation is highly annoying.   

I'm not in any trouble, but I also can't afford to hand a brick to my son to blast away in a weekend.

I agree. I want to take a friend to the range, but the price of ammo is so flipping high that it will cost an arm and a leg. But, I promised so I need to come through for him.

What I need to get is a .22 conversion kit for my Glock 19. That would make the ammo stretch longer. ;-)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BiggBake on February 18, 2013, 06:18:38 PM
Bought some .40 S&W and 22LR today.  No 9mm anywhere.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on February 19, 2013, 12:15:09 AM
I spent about 3 hours yesterday going through vendors sites trying to find some ammo. Hunting rifles, and some oddball/expensive handgun stuff (500S&W anyone?) is about all there is left. And a good, but shrinking selection of shotgun ammo. Buckshot is getting harder and harder to get. Guns are even worse. You want a bolt-action rifle or a pump/break action shotgun with 26"+ bbls? Take your pick. Anything else, it's going to be REALLY tough for a while.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on February 19, 2013, 07:04:56 PM
I picked up over 2500 rounds of .22LR tonight at regular prices and think I'm set for now with over 7000 rounds, all but a couple hundred of which were purchased since about Christmas.  The gun shop even got a shipment today of Winchester 9mm 100 round bulk packs which made the shop owner very happy, as ammunition has been arriving only haphazardly. They've still got a fair bit of inventory though it's anyone's guess what it will be like come the summertime.

On the weekend I visited the gun shop attached to my shooting club which still had lots of ammo, including crates of 7.62x39 and .223, though some of the other ammo was a bit pricier than I'd have liked (i.e. $29 for a brick of .22LR). I picked up a polymer lower and Norinco 10.5" upper that I purchased a few weeks back for about $770 tax inclusive plus the sling for a Sub 2K. They've still got some black rifles in stock even but I didn't see any Kel-Tecs.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Practical Prepper on February 19, 2013, 07:51:33 PM
In utah I have been able to find sparatic 9mm and 45 but I've been to at least 6 different places and cannot find 22lr .....glad I prepped with my 9mm but wish I had purchaced more 22lr (I thought to myself oh they will always be a supply of those)impact did have a supply of 22lr silencer rounds but I don't think they will work in my semi auto
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 4bull on February 19, 2013, 07:59:56 PM
i found the shootim boxs of 22's today , 375 rounds for 49.00 . aaah no way
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on February 19, 2013, 08:31:17 PM
i found the shootim boxs of 22's today , 375 rounds for 49.00 . aaah no way

I'm a seller not a buyer at that price.

I am very glad I have 22lr conversion kits for my Glock 19 and my AR 15 or I'd have to stop or slow down shooting.

I even have a 5.45 AR upper and 10,000+ rounds, but I'm not sure I want to use too many until I can identify when I can buy some more.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BamaPrepper on February 20, 2013, 07:48:43 AM
Pretty much every big box store in the Northern Atlanta area is tapped out other than shotgun shells, but I have seen a substantial amount of centerfire ammo in smaller hunting/outdoors stores.  Can't find .22 ammo anywhere though....  >:(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on February 20, 2013, 08:10:10 AM
Dont know if any one else saw this yesterday but i grabbed this link from ITS Tactical

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/

Its a real time ammo stock/price tracking bot!!  So far it seems to work very well and its my new homepage :)
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on February 20, 2013, 10:44:01 AM
No change in Portland area.  No new shipments that I have seen.  Fisherman's would be the best bet or local shops that normally have high prices might have some high priced ammo left.  At one I found some Sierra .224" 69 gr MatckKing bullets for sale (but bring a BIG wallet). I have heard that WalMart gets small amounts in, they seem to e the only retailer with a quick re-order system and the market size to get allocation. 

It seems some folks are tapping into new ammo before it gets into distribution.  It isn;t like a pallet of ammo arrives and it sells out.  It is a case or two at a time if at all.  Yet, the ammo makers are saying they are producing 1 billion rounds per month.  Where is the ammo going if not on the shelves?  IF even half of that billion was getting into the retail distribution chain we should see some on shelves.

As for guns, even the 1911s are disappearing from dealer shelves and no rifles or handguns getting re-stocked. Whatever is out there is slowly drying up still.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Shaunypoo on February 20, 2013, 10:49:14 AM
Dont know if any one else saw this yesterday but i grabbed this link from ITS Tactical

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/

Its a real time ammo stock/price tracking bot!!  So far it seems to work very well and its my new homepage :)
Enjoy.

That is awesome.  Sortable and everything.  Thank you.  +1
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 20, 2013, 10:50:08 AM
That is awesome.  Sortable and everything.  Thank you.  +1

Only downside is that .22lr are $69 per brick of 525 :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on February 20, 2013, 11:41:10 AM
That is awesome.  Sortable and everything.  Thank you.  +1

Your very welcome.  I do very much hope they increase their vendor reference list in the near future although it probably wont matter as no one has any anyway :(  At least i can still get .35rem without an issue, the bonus of having an off caliber firearm.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on February 20, 2013, 04:01:35 PM
I'm loving "off caliber sleeper" caliber/guns :)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on February 20, 2013, 05:48:20 PM
OK...I am getting discouraged.

Still $919 for 1000 rounds of .223 on Bulkammo.com.

I guess we are only two months into this crisis. I would hate to have this as a "new normal." I really want to put some rounds down range, but will be thinking in the back of my head that it is $1 a trigger pull.

I know this has been said elsewhere, but if you want to hurt gun owners, put a tax on ammo. I make good money, but this hobby will be restricted most by making it too damn expensive. Of course, this makes it more dangerous because law-abiding citizens cannot practice enough to be proficient.

**sigh** I am going to stop looking at prices and focus on other stuff. Beans, rice and bandages are still cheap.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 20, 2013, 10:11:05 PM
Even the big box sporting good stores generally have less common revolver calibers.

Last month Cabela's had reasonable selection of .38/.357 given the circumstances.  For bigger/weirder stuff like .327Fed, .41mag, .44spl/mag I don't think a single box was missing from the shelf.

Likewise with reloading components.  All the LEO/mil/tactical components like 9mm bullets and fast burning powders were sold out.  Slow burning magnum powders and stuff optimized for cast lead remained however.

Perhaps the zombie apocalypse will be fought with 1930s weapon technology...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on February 21, 2013, 06:50:14 AM
Even the big box sporting good stores generally have less common revolver calibers.

Last month Cabela's had reasonable selection of .38/.357 given the circumstances.  For bigger/weirder stuff like .327Fed, .41mag, .44spl/mag I don't think a single box was missing from the shelf.

Likewise with reloading components.  All the LEO/mil/tactical components like 9mm bullets and fast burning powders were sold out.  Slow burning magnum powders and stuff optimized for cast lead remained however.

Perhaps the zombie apocalypse will be fought with 1930s weapon technology...

Cant go wrong with a level gun brother! :)  Never thought a box of Marlin .444mag would be cheaper than a brick of .22lr  LOL
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on February 21, 2013, 11:08:14 AM
I have a chance to do some tactical training with my new ar, but Im holding off because I dont want to burn thru 400-500 rounds if I cant replace what I shoot up. :-\
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on February 21, 2013, 11:14:52 AM
I have a chance to do some tactical training with my new ar, but Im holding off because I dont want to burn thru 400-500 rounds if I cant replace what I shoot up. :-\

Get them reloaded? 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on February 21, 2013, 01:00:41 PM
Sucks when a couple hours at the range now costs $1,000
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on February 21, 2013, 01:18:17 PM
I have a chance to do some tactical training with my new ar, but Im holding off because I dont want to burn thru 400-500 rounds if I cant replace what I shoot up. :-\
Have you thought about using a .22 conversion kit for the training? 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on February 21, 2013, 01:49:08 PM
Have you thought about using a .22 conversion kit for the training?


Local walmart in Morgantown, WV had 100rnd lose boxes of winchester handgun ammo.  I saw 9mm, 40 S&W, 38 spl, and .380.   About 3-4 boxes of each.   Plenty of the higher end hunting ammo for all the main calibers.

No 22LR to be had in anywhere I look.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on February 21, 2013, 03:23:18 PM
Have you thought about using a .22 conversion kit for the training?
Yea the good kits have doubled in price. Heck cant find 22 ammo either. whats a shooter to do?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on February 21, 2013, 03:31:39 PM
Yea the good kits have doubled in price. Heck cant find 22 ammo either. whats a shooter to do?
I've got a good stash of .22, but like an idiot, I only bought one magazine for the .22 conversion for my AR.  While that's all well and good for normal shooting, for tactical training, it's kinda pointless, as I'm sure you'll agree.  I found one magazine at the most recent gun show and the guy wanted $75 for one .22 AR magazine. ::)  Seriously, the conversion kit was $65 when I bought it.

I'm very happy that I started shooting .30 carbine recently.  It continues to be available on line for less than $0.50 a round.  It's the one gun, besides .22, that I can afford to shoot.  Again, an oddball round that is available because nobody uses it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 22, 2013, 06:39:14 AM
  Seriously, the conversion kit was $65 when I bought it.

man i wish i could have seen then at those prices. my buddy is an ffl so he is ordering me the stainless cmmg conversion kit and letting me get it at cost, but even that is going to run me over double that price.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: backwoods_engineer on February 22, 2013, 01:20:31 PM
man i wish i could have seen then at those prices. my buddy is an ffl so he is ordering me the stainless cmmg conversion kit and letting me get it at cost, but even that is going to run me over double that price.

I saw a CMMG .22 conversion kit for an AR go for over $400 on GunBroker the other day.  Too rich for my blood.  I'm thinking about buying one a piece at a time: the bolt, then find extra .22 conversion mags.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on February 22, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
I saw a CMMG .22 conversion kit for an AR go for over $400 on GunBroker the other day.  Too rich for my blood.  I'm thinking about buying one a piece at a time: the bolt, then find extra .22 conversion mags.

I ordered the CMMG stainless steel 22lr bolt a month ago.  I the received  the bolt in about 10 days after I ordered it along with a few other parts.   Today I just ordered the dedicated 20" 22lr barrel from CMMG to build a classic flat top ar-15/22lr clone.

A guy at work got tired looking for any 22lr ammo at the stores; his solution to his ammo problem?  He spotted 8 boxes of 22-250 on the store shelves, ask if they had a rifle in that caliber and they said yes.  He now owns a new Savage 22-250 rifle + 80 rounds of ammo to take care of his rabbit problems.

After he told me this story I dug into my small ammo stash and gave him a bunch of 22lr ammo (250 rounds) so he does not have to dispatch rabbits at a buck a pop unless he wants to.

Field report: Colorado Springs Walmart- No hand gun ammo; fair stock of rifle rounds, a few bulk pack 12 ga field loads.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on February 22, 2013, 07:56:07 PM
Checked my rural wal mart today. Only pistol ammo they had was 3 boxes of 40 cal. Only rifle ammo they had were 7mm, 270, 300, 30-06, and 308.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on February 22, 2013, 11:47:13 PM
I ordered the CMMG stainless steel 22lr bolt a month ago.  I the received  the bolt in about 10 days after I ordered it along with a few other parts.   Today I just ordered the dedicated 20" 22lr barrel from CMMG to build a classic flat top ar-15/22lr clone.

A guy at work got tired looking for any 22lr ammo at the stores; his solution to his ammo problem?  He spotted 8 boxes of 22-250 on the store shelves, ask if they had a rifle in that caliber and they said yes.  He now owns a new Savage 22-250 rifle + 80 rounds of ammo to take care of his rabbit problems.

After he told me this story I dug into my small ammo stash and gave him a bunch of 22lr ammo (250 rounds) so he does not have to dispatch rabbits at a buck a pop unless he wants to.

Field report: Colorado Springs Walmart- No hand gun ammo; fair stock of rifle rounds, a few bulk pack 12 ga field loads.

Are 17 hmr and 22 shorts still available locally?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on February 23, 2013, 02:08:31 AM
Are 17 hmr and 22 shorts still available locally?

In my area, yes, but at near depleted levels.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Frugal Upstate on February 23, 2013, 07:13:33 AM
Was standing staring at the Walmart ammo case this week-pretty much only had shotgun ammo left.  Struck up a convo w a young man also standing there-he spontaneously gave me a report on what ammo he had seen available that day at two other stores "if you are looking for 40 I saw it over here-but only a few boxes"...  I thought that was kinda cool-a sign of helping ea other out rather than a selfish hoarding attitude.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: RacinRob on February 23, 2013, 07:22:51 AM
I havent been able to touch .22 in weeks. Handgun is hit and miss.  The two things saving me are the fact that it is winter and i had a decent stock.  I am a little worried about Appleseed this year.  I heard that it would be 6 - 9 months before stock comes back to normal.  If you cant go out and buy a 500 brick, it is hard to do an Appleseed.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on February 26, 2013, 02:28:34 AM
I'm starting to see some 308 stay on the shelves locally, at least in premium hunting loadings. Academy had 30-30 in stock, at $46 a box for a solid copper expanding load by remington.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mrmnjewel on February 26, 2013, 06:26:19 AM
Yeah...I have been to several metro Atlanta Walmarts and there is just nothing...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on February 26, 2013, 02:29:26 PM
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No 22LR to be had in anywhere I look.

I see it at all the Wally Worlds I visit — but the funny thing is that I don't own a .22 (anymore) — I don't have much use for a varmit gun in the city even though it USED TO be cost effective to practice with a .22

If I did own a .22 I would have cleaned them out of anything they have because the prices were not bad on it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 26, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
I see it at all the Wally Worlds I visit — but the funny thing is that I don't own a .22 (anymore) — I don't have much use for a varmit gun in the city even though it USED TO be cost effective to practice with a .22

If I did own a .22 I would have cleaned them out of anything they have because the prices were not bad on it.

Where are you located?  I've not ever seen a Walmart is a metropolitan area.   By "metro" I mean someplace where street parking isn't free :)

Even 50 miles from Seattle, I've not found .22lr at any Walmart since last Christmas.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: meapplejak on February 26, 2013, 04:07:05 PM
I went to big 5 twice in the last week no 9 no 22 no 223/556 the shelves are pretty cleaned out in those areas they even have signs on the door that says we did receive any .223/5.56 today.  Plenty of shot and weird stuff but im not too familiar with the stuff I don't shoot so I don't know the prices availability that well.  I wish we had guns/ammo at walmart. I think they used to when I was a kid
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 27, 2013, 07:08:31 AM
there is 22 short and 17hmr (more short though) around where i am. not much of anything else. people line up outside of sportman's warehouse here every friday (day after truck delivers good) like it's black friday. the store hands out tickets and they serve you in the order of your ticket number. that's the only way you can buy any firearms/ammo/reloading supplies.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bennington1776 on February 27, 2013, 08:35:31 PM
40 cal FMJ 180grn American Eagle $16.99
40 cal 180grn Gold Dot HP $26.99
Remington 00 reduced recoil 25 count $13.99

Still pricey.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on February 28, 2013, 06:49:20 AM


This morning my Walmart had .22LR!!!!   Two whole 100rd boxes of Remington Yellow Jacket HP.   About a dozen or so of the small "matchbox" 50 rnd boxes of Winchester Super X HP. 

Various other handgun calibers, but only a box or two of each.   The sum total of thier delivery was on top of the counter and could have fit inside of one of those hand baskets you grab at the door when you walk in.

The Walmart across town is still stacked deep with .40 S&W (PPU brand).   Both locations still have a decent selection of the hunting caliber rifle rounds, 30-06, 308, 7mm, 270, etc.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on February 28, 2013, 08:04:24 AM
Visited my local gun shop last night to pick up 500 rounds of MFS non-corrosive 7.62x39 for an out of town friend who'd just recently bought a Mini 30 stainless. While I was there I picked up 1000 rounds of Winchester M22. The store was out of the $42, Winchester bulk pack .45ACP of which I wanted to get one more, but otherwise still has everything I'd want.

I'll be back on Friday to with a friend to pick up a gun cabinet for their residence. I plan to get a bit more .22LR, two cases of 12 gauge trap loads and and maybe a few boxes of .22 Win Mag, which should round off my ammo purchases for now. If I weren't in the process of finishing a Master's degree and already working again, I'd have definitely gotten another 1600 round case of .223, one or two crates of 7.62x54R and probably another crate of .308, all still available at decent prices up here.

That said, some stores are already running out of .22LR and I've been told that others have been coming in and buying bulk purchases (i.e. 10 000 rounds of M22, $2000 worth of 7.62x39, etc) so sleeping too much on certain brands might cause people to miss out on getting them for the next several months.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on February 28, 2013, 09:07:15 AM
At the local axis of eveil walmart store and they had zero 22 ammo no  handgun ammo and two boxes of 270/ 243 one each . they still had a fair amount of shot shells mostly target loads for trap but some game loads!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on February 28, 2013, 09:12:23 AM
Not sure if this is all Dicks stores or just my local but they said they were getting 525rnd Blazer boxes in friday and there still just 21$.  Worth checking out.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 28, 2013, 10:19:32 AM
Not sure if this is all Dicks stores or just my local but they said they were getting 525rnd Blazer boxes in friday and there still just 21$.  Worth checking out.

ADK - what part of the country are you located?  I'm wondering if this might apply to Dick's in the greater Seattle area?  I'd previously sworn them off for their anti-black rifle politics, but ammo is ammo :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 11 Bravo on February 28, 2013, 10:25:04 AM
.223 has started trickling in to my local Wal-Mart. My favorite WAS the 20 rd boxes of 55gr Tula for $4.97......the Tula rolling in now has changed....this Tula says " made in Italy" , has brass casings, and is packaged in 50 rd boxes for $16.50....still not a bad deal..
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on February 28, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
is it reloadable?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ID_Joker on February 28, 2013, 06:05:52 PM
Was in Cabelas in post Falls a couple days ago and they had 223 in the shelf.  Very limited suppy, but there was some.  12.99/20
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 28, 2013, 07:01:00 PM
is it reloadable?

Most any case can be reloaded,  but under normal circumstances only brass is worth the effort.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on February 28, 2013, 09:46:16 PM
Stopped at WM today to look for 9mm. They had 2 100 rd boxes left, and a 2 box limit. The guy said he had 18 boxes come in this morning, and it was gone within 2 hours of putting it out.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on March 01, 2013, 03:26:01 AM
is it reloadable?

Brass cases, are brass cases, but I've never seen brass tula cases to know if they are boxer or berdan primed. I haven't checked to see if berdan primers are available. Berdan cases are a pain to reload, but if you can find a berdan primer removing tool, and a supply of berdan primers, then brass tula brass would definantly be reloadable.

Also,  if you really need to, the aluminum cci blazer pistol cases, and the steel cases, are supposedly reloadable once. Some of it is boxer primed, some berdan primed, so you have to pay attention, and the steel cases are rough on your dies.

I've never thought reloading the steel and aluminum cases worth the effort, so I have never done it, but the current situation may end up changing that.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on March 01, 2013, 05:42:53 AM
Stopped at WM today to look for 9mm. They had 2 100 rd boxes left, and a 2 box limit. The guy said he had 18 boxes come in this morning, and it was gone within 2 hours of putting it out.

16RnR....where are you in the country?   As I have been keeping up with this forum post, I've noticed a trend of 3 box limits at Wal-marts.   I'm in Morgantown, WV, both stores here were at a 3 box limit just yesterday.   

Curious to see if the limits are a regional thing?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on March 01, 2013, 06:55:43 AM
16RnR....where are you in the country?   As I have been keeping up with this forum post, I've noticed a trend of 3 box limits at Wal-marts.   I'm in Morgantown, WV, both stores here were at a 3 box limit just yesterday.   

Curious to see if the limits are a regional thing?

all the WMs i've stopped in have a 1 box per caliber limit here in AZ
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 01, 2013, 10:44:58 AM
All of the WMs around here have a 3 box limit.  Was in one last week...The only thing in stock was some .17 cal.  Havent seen a box of nine in a WM since December. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Virginian on March 01, 2013, 11:05:05 AM
16RnR....where are you in the country?   As I have been keeping up with this forum post, I've noticed a trend of 3 box limits at Wal-marts.   I'm in Morgantown, WV, both stores here were at a 3 box limit just yesterday.   

Curious to see if the limits are a regional thing?

WM  has three box limit in central Virginia
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on March 01, 2013, 11:26:45 AM
every store here is 1 box, sportsmans, walmart, it's ridiculous. i would love a 3 box limit.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on March 01, 2013, 01:24:49 PM
I was wondering if that brass cased 762x39 was boxer primed
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on March 01, 2013, 02:50:15 PM
Not sure if this is all Dicks stores or just my local but they said they were getting 525rnd Blazer boxes in friday and there still just 21$.  Worth checking out.

Called my local Dick's this morning and they said they did not recieve any .22lr :(  Manager said the truck was empty when it showed up...??  lol
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Doomtrooper on March 01, 2013, 03:52:11 PM
Well everywhere around me is almost out of all major calibers, an when they do get them in their limiting people to one box (Academy, local gun stores), or three at walmart. Glad I stocked up after the last scare,
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 01, 2013, 04:17:47 PM
For all you reloading geeks asking the tough questions about boxer vs. berdan, reloading steel, and other topics mother nature never intended, this is your new favorite youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/mainejunker (http://www.youtube.com/user/mainejunker)

Highlights:

How to deprime berdan primers easily with hydraulic pressure
How to converter a berdan case to accept a boxer primer
Casting lead 7.62x39 bullets
etc.

Just a year ago, most of these topics seemed curious, but an absurd waste of time given the previous economics.  Today I think these skills are extremely valuable.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Thox Spuddy on March 01, 2013, 08:01:30 PM
Just bought 350 rd of 9mm @ $99 and learned a few things: are you being required to show a drivers license for ammo purchase and wonder why? Retailers might have ammo behind the counter that they are holding off as they want to prevent what is becoming a widespread almost black market for ammo. People are walking into the store and are buying up everything on the shelf and reselling it online they say. They want to restrict such sales so that users of firearms that they sold are getting it, otherwise if they can't buy the ammo, why buy the gun? .........demonstrating that I bought the gun there enabled me to buy the ammo, which wasn't on the shelf.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on March 01, 2013, 10:22:16 PM
Just a year ago, most of these topics seemed curious, but an absurd waste of time given the previous economics.  Today I think these skills are extremely valuable.

Exactly, just because it may not be worth it now doesn't mean having the tools and knowledge to do it if needed in the future is a bad idea. It could make a big difference one day.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on March 02, 2013, 10:50:18 AM
...
Just a year ago, most of these topics seemed curious, but an absurd waste of time given the previous economics.  Today I think these skills are extremely valuable.
Exactly.  A little over a year ago I was doing the math on whether I should get back into reloading and concluded that it didn't make economic sense.  Even buying cast bullets and the cheapest components I could find, it would take me over 20,000 rounds of 9mm to pay for a Dillon 550 press, say nothing about the value of my time.  Now, 14 months later that pay off would be closer to 6,000 round for 9mm and only about 2,000 rounds for 5.56. 

I sure wouldn't have even thought about casting my own bullets six months ago, but now I'm acquiring what I need to in order to get started for my two most popular calibers.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 11 Bravo on March 02, 2013, 05:52:54 PM
I am assuming that the brass case Tula that is in my Wal-Mart is reloadable...and yes, my WalMart has a three box limit as well. The signs went up a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on March 02, 2013, 09:27:29 PM
I purchased 500 rounds of .223 for $399 at the Memorial Shooting Center in west Houston. It appears that they have a contract with a local reloader who takes all the brass from the range and reloads it. They swear by the reliability.

There was a line this morning to buy AR's. The .223 was gone in 10 minutes, so if you go, show up at 11:00 on Saturday (they open at 11:30).

There was no 9 mm or .223 at Academy in west Houston on I-10. The guy advised me to show up for opening before 8 am on Tuesday for supply. Yeah, I work for a living.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 03, 2013, 12:56:23 AM
Friday I went into a Wholesale Sports in Federal Way, WA.

It was picked over pretty good, only having premium or self-defense rounds in exotic (.454 casull, .45gap, 10mm, .357sig, etc.) and a small amount of revolver rounds.  I grabbed a box of .38spl gold dots, only because I didn't have any manufactured .38 at home and it seemed like I should.

I'm now thinking the old advice about sticking with NATO calibers is total crap.  Whoever has a handgun in .41mag, .357sig or 10mm can still get whatever they want in most stores.  On the rifle side every store, inc. WM has .270 in stock at a low price. 

The gun counter dude jokingly told me within 2 hours of the store opening 3 people asked for 9mm, .223 and .308.  Apparently he felt it was common knowledge that the entire universe is sold out of those calibers.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on March 03, 2013, 10:32:32 AM
This is why I love the glock 23 with different barrels, or any other handgun with different barrels :)

I spoke with lone wolf, they have another caliber in the works for barrels.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bennington1776 on March 03, 2013, 10:42:26 AM
Purchased the last boxes of .40 cal from a local spot as well as a bag of dummy rounds.  Time for some weapons malfunction drills.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 4bull on March 03, 2013, 04:20:06 PM
At the gun show today , 40 year old bricks of .22s 60.00  , 50 round boxs of blazers 9.00,
i did see some tula steel case .223 for 10.00 a box, they had plastic bags of loose .22 250 rounds for 35.00 old stuff,unreal Ar15's 1200 and up to 2300. most hand guns were 100 to 1500 higher than they should be on a good day. and they must have dug out every hunk of rust to try andd sell.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on March 03, 2013, 04:48:21 PM
Purchased the last boxes of .40 cal from a local spot as well as a bag of dummy rounds.  Time for some weapons malfunction drills.
Having to resort to Remington high velocities in my Ruger Mark II instead of my normal CCI MiniMags has given me all the malfunction drill practice I need. ::)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: iam4liberty on March 03, 2013, 05:13:01 PM
Just bought 350 rd of 9mm @ $99 and learned a few things: are you being required to show a drivers license for ammo purchase and wonder why? Retailers might have ammo behind the counter that they are holding off as they want to prevent what is becoming a widespread almost black market for ammo.

Hmmm...not sure what they meant.  Selling ammo is perfectly legal so by definition there is no black market.  And I can confirm that the big retailers locally do not have extra ammo set aside (I know the managers in charge of ammunition for several of them).  Though I do know two mom & pop dealers who have massively raised the prices of the ammo they have out to keep it on the shelves.  But if you buy a gun (or they know you are a good customer) they will sell it at the pre-inflated rates.  It is hard to sell guns if you don't have ammo available for them.

The drivers license and storing ammo behind the counter policies are in response to a combination of laws on age restrictions (from GCA) and storage (like NYC ammunition law).  The big conglomerates tend to adopt the "lowest common denominator" in the laws so as to have consistent policies for training purposes across the entire company.  For example, employees at Walmart are supposed to keep ammo locked up, check IDs for age, and, if you are going to check out at a location other than sporting goods, walk the ammunition to that counter for you.    Other retailers have other policies for meeting the laws.

I have been told there is an exception to the above for powder, however.  Several dealers have told me there is a rule for the amount of gunpowder they can have available on the shelf at one time. I have never been able to find the actual laws for this so am not sure if this is a state or federal regulation.  Regardless, they often have more in stock than what is on the shelf.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on March 03, 2013, 06:09:41 PM
At the gun show today , 40 year old bricks of .22s 60.00  , 50 round boxs of blazers 9.00,
i did see some tula steel case .223 for 10.00 a box, they had plastic bags of loose .22 250 rounds for 35.00 old stuff,unreal Ar15's 1200 and up to 2300. most hand guns were 100 to 1500 higher than they should be on a good day. and they must have dug out every hunk of rust to try andd sell.

were people buying 22 lr at that price?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Heavy G on March 03, 2013, 06:38:48 PM
The pistol ammo shelves at Cabelas had zero boxes of common calibers.  If you're a 41 Remington Magnum fan, there were a couple of boxes.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 4bull on March 03, 2013, 07:30:22 PM
were people buying 22 lr at that price?

I didnt see much being bought, i just shook my head and kept going.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 03, 2013, 11:48:01 PM
More frustrating than the current inventory is not knowing when it will improve.  Should we sit tight and cut down on practice, or will things be normal by June?

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on March 04, 2013, 02:05:56 AM
More frustrating than the current inventory is not knowing when it will improve.  Should we sit tight and cut down on practice, or will things be normal by June?
From what I'm seeing on the ordering side, and what I'm hearing from vendors, it's getting worse before it gets better. IMHO, June is WAY too optimistic. I'm hoping by the end of the year it will start correcting. Here's hoping!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on March 04, 2013, 02:53:47 AM
Friday I went into a Wholesale Sports in Federal Way, WA.

It was picked over pretty good, only having premium or self-defense rounds in exotic (.454 casull, .45gap, 10mm, .357sig, etc.) and a small amount of revolver rounds.  I grabbed a box of .38spl gold dots, only because I didn't have any manufactured .38 at home and it seemed like I should.

I'm now thinking the old advice about sticking with NATO calibers is total crap.  Whoever has a handgun in .41mag, .357sig or 10mm can still get whatever they want in most stores.  On the rifle side every store, inc. WM has .270 in stock at a low price. 

The gun counter dude jokingly told me within 2 hours of the store opening 3 people asked for 9mm, .223 and .308.  Apparently he felt it was common knowledge that the entire universe is sold out of those calibers.

I've seen the same thing.  I can find lots of .243, .257 Roberts, .270, 7mm Rem Mag, and .330 Win Mag.  I don't have any of those calibers, yet.

The wisdom of having NATO caliber weapons is that during normal times you can get that ammo a lot cheaper than the less popular calibers.  But I don't think it makes sense to avoid other calibers and ONLY have NATO ones.  You want your main weapons to be of common caliber to take advatage of bulk buying at cheapest rates when supplies are good.  Then have secondary arms in odd calibers for shortages.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on March 04, 2013, 04:10:38 AM
Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere or if it is just too stupid of a question..... but is it legal to buy ammo from Canada and bring it back to Michigan? 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on March 04, 2013, 06:54:05 AM
The wisdom of having NATO caliber weapons is that during normal times you can get that ammo a lot cheaper than the less popular calibers.

Plus if things go real bad you can resupply off the fallen gov. troops and such.  Ammo shopping this weekend was the same as the rest, 1 box of .22lr (50rnd), Got a case of shotshells #7 1/2 for 69$, nothing else has changed.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 04, 2013, 10:01:04 AM
Plus if things go real bad you can resupply off the fallen gov. troops and such.  Ammo shopping this weekend was the same as the rest, 1 box of .22lr (50rnd), Got a case of shotshells #7 1/2 for 69$, nothing else has changed.

Good point, but the same fallen .gov troops probably dropped their M4s as well.
If things are that bad, we can do like Rambo and trade up.  Start with a rock, and end up with an RPG.

I'm just sad that high power rifle competition could be a real downer this season.  I was hoping to take some more classes, but no way can I shoot high volumes of ammo costing near $1/rnd.  I don't have enough stockpiled for SHTF + recreational/practice + formal training  :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on March 04, 2013, 10:15:13 AM
Didn't Rambo forge a knife from a piece of steel he found on the ground or something? I don't think he started out with just a rock.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on March 04, 2013, 11:24:36 AM
I'm just sad that high power rifle competition could be a real downer this season.  I was hoping to take some more classes, but no way can I shoot high volumes of ammo costing near $1/rnd.  I don't have enough stockpiled for SHTF + recreational/practice + formal training  :(

Thats why i have redoubled my focus on my shotgunning since even .22lr is out. Loads of shot available in my area though. Cant wait to attend my first shotgun class this summer.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on March 04, 2013, 12:30:15 PM
I have finally seen shortage in the common rounds I shoot most 9mm and .22lr. I had heard of shortage of .22 locally, but have been able to pick up a 1000 every time I go. 3-4 weeks back,  1 guy I heard had an issue was only looking for a small box of .22 for a new gun, I am sure they had 300-1000 per box, he was just in the wrong location of store. That store was out of anything but birdshot for .22. Had nothing in 9mm.

They had shelves of .45 and .40. all seemed about normal pre rush pricing. They also had 30-40 boxes each of .44 magnum, and .357.

I picked up a 1000 tin of  7.62×39mm for $175.

Overall, I picked up about 2000 rounds, many in calibers I do not comonly shoot, I figured I can use a new gun, or trade if I get hard up. They were limiting sales to 2 boxes per person per day, and there was a guy chatting up every customer, pointing out the sign in a friendly way.

The handguns were picked clean of anything I would buy. Normally the case holds about 200 handguns, and they were down to 30 guns at best, most big caliber revolvers.

There were 3 Century Arms AK47 for $850 new and 3 stripped down ARs for $1000. The AK were $550 at Christmas time.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on March 04, 2013, 01:33:08 PM
I have seen STRIPPED DOWN or BASIC AR's asking prices of no less than $2500 on Armslist.com since January. AK's have been listing around $1500 / $2,000.

However, as I check right now, it looks like people are dropping prices or just taking them off the market (as in the people figuring out they are not going to make a $2,000 profit on a gun they bought at full retail a year ago).

I am thinking when ammo starts to show up in the stores once again this whole gun scare might die down a little bit and then I can run out and grab a couple of these overpriced guns before the NEXT big scare...

Sick of feeling like the "gun" version of the dingbats waiting in a 20 mile long line for 5 gallons of gasoline after the hurricane!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: gundog on March 04, 2013, 02:15:23 PM
I listened to a podcast who had the president of Brownells as a guest. When questioned about what the future holds for ammo availability and pricing he guessed......by june or July the combination of manufacturers ramping up and customers giving up trying that prices will come down and availability will rise.

He felt this will cause a mini spike again as people realize that ammo is becoming available and will become buyers again. That will be a short one and by september things will have leveled out at the new normal.

YMMV......just thought it was an interesting and well thought out theory from someone who has a chance at actually making an educated guess.

I know I have basically stopped buying ammo....I refuse to pay what the asking price is and hope it comes down at some point.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on March 04, 2013, 03:13:38 PM
I was able to pick up 6 boxes of 00 buck for the 12 gauge. No handgun ammo and zero .22. A few misc rounds of some hunting rifle cartridges but that was it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on March 04, 2013, 05:07:13 PM
I was able to pick up 6 boxes of 00 buck for the 12 gauge. No handgun ammo and zero .22. A few misc rounds of some hunting rifle cartridges but that was it.

Fleet Farm in Chaska had every conceivable shotgun ammo, with no upper limit on purchase.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Thox Spuddy on March 04, 2013, 05:13:01 PM
Hmmm...not sure what they meant.  Selling ammo is perfectly legal so by definition there is no black market.  And I can confirm that the big retailers locally do not have extra ammo set aside (I know the managers in charge of ammunition for several of them).  Though I do know two mom & pop dealers who have massively raised the prices of the ammo they have out to keep it on the shelves.  But if you buy a gun (or they know you are a good customer) they will sell it at the pre-inflated rates.  It is hard to sell guns if you don't have ammo available for them.

The drivers license and storing ammo behind the counter policies are in response to a combination of laws on age restrictions (from GCA) and storage (like NYC ammunition law).  The big conglomerates tend to adopt the "lowest common denominator" in the laws so as to have consistent policies for training purposes across the entire company.  For example, employees at Walmart are supposed to keep ammo locked up, check IDs for age, and, if you are going to check out at a location other than sporting goods, walk the ammunition to that counter for you.    Other retailers have other policies for meeting the laws.

I have been told there is an exception to the above for powder, however.  Several dealers have told me there is a rule for the amount of gunpowder they can have available on the shelf at one time. I have never been able to find the actual laws for this so am not sure if this is a state or federal regulation.  Regardless, they often have more in stock than what is on the shelf.

Well I did give some tips here on how to procure ammo but........ anyway, I used the term "black market" erroneously, maybe "grey market" would've been a better term, not one I made up, found it in Wikipedia. But I do absolutely stand behind everything I stated in that post!!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Thox Spuddy on March 04, 2013, 05:16:44 PM
Fleet Farm in Chaska had every conceivable shotgun ammo, with no upper limit on purchase.

Fleet Farm in Chaska? Where? I left there 20 years ago and I know they've had a lot of development but I am curious as to where that would be, and is it Mills Farm & Fleet or Blain's? How about the Klinglehutz True Value, do they sell ammo?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on March 04, 2013, 05:27:06 PM
I got my order of 1,000 .44 240 gr bullets from Missouri Bullet on Friday, and my order of 500 .308 168 gr AMAX from Powder Valley today. Both were ordered in mid-February.  Still no word on the 5,000 Wolf primers (Bruno's) and 1,000 .40 Montana Gold bullets ordered at the same time, ut I am expecting those could take another month.

I've seen a few powders show up on the various web sites, but just one or two at a time and they sell out again in a few days.  I really wanted to try out some IMR 8208XBR and CFE223 but it may be several months before those are available.  For now I have plenty of components for what I need to reload, but I may start cutting back from shooting a few hundred rounds per range trip to just a hundred or so.  I might also switch to shooting more 9mm which is a secondary caliber for me and be more conservative on shooting my .40 ammo which is my primary handgun cartridge. In the past I only shot .22LR occasionally, but since I have 25K of that I will likely start doing 1/3 of my shooting at the range with the .22 guns.

Local stores are tapped out or what they get in is gone within a couple of hours.  I don't need anything so will not wait around for it.  Just make adjustments to how much and what I shoot to stretch out supplies. In today's climate you just never know what will be hard to get a year from now or further out.  If things do not improve politically or supply-wise in six months I will make further reductions and shifts.  I could theoretically stretch what I have to at least 25 years if I ratchet it down to just 200 rds per month.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on March 04, 2013, 06:08:04 PM
Fleet Farm in Chaska? Where? I left there 20 years ago and I know they've had a lot of development but I am curious as to where that would be, and is it Mills Farm & Fleet or Blain's? How about the Klinglehutz True Value, do they sell ammo?

It is Mill's and it is new.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PorcupineKate on March 04, 2013, 06:15:45 PM
I can't find bullets and powder for .357 Sig anywhere.

My favorite gun shop looks bare and empty inside.  I stopped in to see if I could pick up a few little things and cci mini mag ammo.  They were out of all .22lr.   

Stopped in the new gun shop down the road.  Every time I go in there I run into someone I know and today is no exception.  They didn't have anything I was looking for either. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on March 04, 2013, 07:18:20 PM
    OK re-loaders, I'm probally shooting myself in the foot, but here is what I've found so far. At Natches they still have Nosler Varmageddon .224 bullets. 40 gr HPFB $12.99/100 and .224 SPFB 40 GR LEAD FREE for $12.49/100. In Hornady's bullets they have .224 45 gr Hornet  at $15.83/100.
   All these bullet will open fast, but should be fine for target shooting. Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on March 08, 2013, 01:57:57 PM
Someone gave me some (qty 185 rounds) once-fired .45 ACP brass a few months ago.  I put it on Craigslist and sold it for $30.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on March 08, 2013, 02:23:38 PM
If anybody in the area wants some 9mm brass, I have more than a lifetime's worth and wouldn't mind bartering some away, especially if you're local to Colorado and it doesn't involve shipping costs.

Availability is improving for 9mm and 5.56, but prices remain high around here.  I'm still not finding CCI MiniMags (.22LR) in any quantity at any reasonable price.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on March 08, 2013, 02:51:19 PM
Online, mini mags have been from 13-18 cents per round.  Used to be 7 cents! Bulk is $0.06-$0.10 per round, and sells out within minutes and crashes the web page of whichever retailer puts it up.

www.gunbot.net (http://www.gunbot.net) (no affiliation) has a beep alert that sounds when stock is added to any of the retailers it monitors.  I'm sure this and other bots like it are contributing to the quickness the ammo is selling, but at least we can see what's out there.  Myself - I'm holding out for prices to come back down!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on March 08, 2013, 02:54:34 PM
I listened to a podcast who had the president of Brownells as a guest...

Gundog - if you don't mind, what was the podcast? I'd like to listen to it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Practical Prepper on March 08, 2013, 02:54:57 PM
Here in the northern utah area thinks seem to be starting to trickle in problem is that its not enough to stem the demand so it goes really quickly. Big 5 gets their loads on mondays and sportmans here gets a load on tues and thur these are really good times to check. I was able to pick up a brick of 22lr blazers and it appeared that sportsmans had some higher end 40 and 45
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Call on March 08, 2013, 09:38:23 PM
Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere or if it is just too stupid of a question..... but is it legal to buy ammo from Canada and bring it back to Michigan?

Stay the hell away from our Northern ammunition, Yank!

(in all seriousness, I am not sure. I know that American dealers have been calling our Ontario ranges to buy up stock, but that is likely different than an individual trying to get some and cross back over. My good friend works for Canadian Customs Agency and says that the U.S. side is upping their smell hounds at the border stations that can smell powder, oil, etc to prevent smuggling back into the States)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on March 09, 2013, 04:41:40 PM
    OK, I've been doing some research on swagging your own jacketed bullets. Corbin has a compleat kit for 22cal. bullets for $1650. This includes the press and all the dies to make differant weight .224 bullets using 22LR cases for jackets or purchased benchrest jackets. They also have dies for making jackets or gas checks from brass foil. They sale everything for manufacturing bullets you could want.
   If you wanted to be independent or start a small business, you might want to look into this.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PlunjProtection on March 09, 2013, 06:38:06 PM
Gun show in North Texas today.  .22 LR from $80 to $250 (yes, that's not a typo) per box.  I'm not sure who's buying at that price.  But I had someone approach me before I even made it into the show and sold five boxes of 550-round boxes for $50 each.  I couldn't believe it since I acquired it at $15 per box, but didn't feel too bad since the lowest price around was $80.  There was XM193 and similar loads for about $1 a round.  Green tip was higher.  Quantities of 5.56 and 7.62 x 39 were not great, but it could be found for elevated prices.  Magazines were relatively scarce and outrageous prices.

Local stores from Walmart to gun stores have no or limited quantities at outrageous prices.  As I'm sure you know, the big suppliers online are and have been wiped out.  I'm not selling self-defense caliber cartridges.  Who knows when that is coming back at good prices.

I'm tempted to take half of my stock of 22 LR to the next show and liquidate it and buy again when it is available, I'm guessing 60-12 months for 22LR. When it comes back in quantity I expect it to be around $25 a box and maybe down to $18-20 if we are lucky.  The days of $15 a 550-round box or gone, and $5-$10 a box are long gone.

My suggestion is that unless you really need it, hold off.  This run-up just confirms that I've never felt bad about acquiring ammo at a decent price but have certainly regretted not picking it up at a good price when I could have. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LdMorgan on March 10, 2013, 07:19:50 AM
The Gander Mountain in my town restocked ammo last Wednesday after closing.

Thursday morning there was a line of 150+ people waiting to get in and buy ammo.

The line started forming at 6:30 AM. They opened at 9 AM. They were sold out by 10 AM.

It's been like that for weeks.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on March 10, 2013, 10:06:29 AM
Just spent a week in low country pig hunting. Stopped at sportsmans warehouse in Columbia, SC on the way down, and the way back.

They had low stocks of semi-auto pistols. There were no rifles that were semi-auto, lever action, feed from a detachable magazine, or were tactical looking.

There was tons of pistol ammo, as long as you were shopping for 454 casull, 460 s&w mag, 480 ruger, and 500 s&w mag. Everything else was gone. There were small quantities of small bore cartridges that are only chambered in bolt actions, as well as most common magnums used for deer.

Tons upon tons of shotgun ammo, though their supplies of lead bird shot loads were noticibly reduced. The only slugs and buckshot loads to be had were in 20 gauge.

Reloading supplies were bare. I did manage to find a box of hornady interlock 30 caliber bullets for reloading 30-30, which i picked up. The only other 30 cal bullets were the oddball weights of berger match bullets, all heavier than 180gr. They had several 1000ct bricks of federal large magnum pistol primers, for $34, so i went ahead and picked up one. There was 1 100ctto box of 50bmg primers during the first stop, it was gone during the stop on the return trip.

The only brass they had were for the rarely used in north america, or the rarely used anymore, cartridges. 300 and 375 H&H Mag, 416 rigby, 470 nitro express, 32-20, 40-65, etc, along with the previously mentioned behemoth pistol cartridges.

I even saw a guy walking around with his phone trying to look up what cases he could cut and form into what he was looking for.

It was good that i didn't stop in for reloading supplies or ammo in the first place. They happen to have the best selection of camping equipment and cast iron cookware that i've found.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on March 11, 2013, 06:54:33 AM
This weekends trip to my local WalMart producted nothing.  They had lots of 12ga #7 1/2 and #8 in lead and a few boxes of steel shot, a handfull of 12ga slugs(foster and sabot), lots of 20ga in 100rnd boxes and standard hunting loads. As far as anything else it was grim.  300rnds 9mm, 1 bx of 40s&w, a bx or 2 of .270 and 30-06 and lots of federal 7mm.  Store says they haven't received ammo in weeks. 

Oh 3 box limit a well.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on March 11, 2013, 08:37:44 AM
This was two weeks ago at the local Mills Fleet Farm here in Lakeville, MN

I stopped by there yesterday and now there is nothing and they said it has been empty for weeks. (the whole ammo isle is like this- a few shotgun rounds and misc high dollar hunting rifle rounds but the rest is baron)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-88r28d8KH0E/UT3rlexUnjI/AAAAAAAAFbI/ogZsHhBrwsQ/s1105/IMAGE_B5ADCA6B-42FF-4140-A67D-7ADCFC4C32F3.JPG)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: gundog on March 11, 2013, 08:41:30 AM
This is crazy......stop people! Stop buying severly overpriced ammo. Just stop.

Your money is better spent on other preps for a few months.

Buy ammo that is at regular price where ever you find it...if all you can find is shotgun shells stock up on those for now until other pricing comes down a little. We are being our own worst enemies on this.

When the new "normal" establishes itself in a few months.....whether its 2 months from now or 10.....stock up then. Heck you would be better off to set the money aside for now and buy later.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on March 11, 2013, 08:57:23 AM
This is crazy......stop people! Stop buying severly overpriced ammo. Just stop.

Your money is better spent on other preps for a few months.

Buy ammo that is at regular price where ever you find it...if all you can find is shotgun shells stock up on those for now until other pricing comes down a little. We are being our own worst enemies on this.

When the new "normal" establishes itself in a few months.....whether its 2 months from now or 10.....stock up then. Heck you would be better off to set the money aside for now and buy later.

They are not jacking up prices. This IS regular priced ammo and they can not keep it in stock.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 11, 2013, 09:04:03 AM
The new normal may include a 20% price increase. 

When I first got into reloading my ammo, the price of primers just increased to $30/1000.  I remember the older guys all complaining how they'd paid less than $20/1000 for so long, and how could this be happening.  Being a newbie, I lacked this context.

If we're entering a world, where retail ammo costs nearly $1/round - I fear this hobby will go the direction of top fuel dragsters and yachting.  Basically a rich man's activity.  If that happens, it won't be long before we lose a lot of innovation and broad cultural support.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on March 11, 2013, 09:11:48 AM
This is crazy......stop people! Stop buying severely overpriced ammo. Just stop.

Your money is better spent on other preps for a few months.

Buy ammo that is at regular price where ever you find it...if all you can find is shotgun shells stock up on those for now until other pricing comes down a little. We are being our own worst enemies on this.

When the new "normal" establishes itself in a few months.....whether its 2 months from now or 10.....stock up then. Heck you would be better off to set the money aside for now and buy later.

If less than 50 people in each state line up to buy 10 bricks 500 rnd .22lr in a week, that wipes out the entire US production inventory(running at full capacity) of .22lr for that week.

Hoarding now helps no one.

(Hoarding = buying up as much as possible after the shortage hits)

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on March 11, 2013, 09:26:32 AM
If less than 50 people in each state line up to buy 10 bricks 500 rnd .22lr in a week, that wipes out the entire US production inventory(running at full capacity) of .22lr for that week.

Hoarding now helps no one.

(Hoarding = buying up as much as possible after the shortage hits)

What you may call hoarding I would call prudent purchase of a product that is in short supply and the fore thought of being the early bird to get the worm.

There is no such thing as hoarding. Just because one person may WANT product XYZ there is no moral imperative that says that they should be granted easy access to it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on March 11, 2013, 09:27:48 AM
The new normal may include a 20% price increase. 

When I first got into reloading my ammo, the price of primers just increased to $30/1000.  I remember the older guys all complaining how they'd paid less than $20/1000 for so long, and how could this be happening.  Being a newbie, I lacked this context.

If we're entering a world, where retail ammo costs nearly $1/round - I fear this hobby will go the direction of top fuel dragsters and yachting.  Basically a rich man's activity.  If that happens, it won't be long before we lose a lot of innovation and broad cultural support.
What a brilliant long term gun control strategy for "them". 

I'm definitely on my way back to reloading.  I just need a couple things first; primers and powder.  Oh, wait, those aren't available either.  Nevermind. ::)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on March 11, 2013, 09:36:17 AM
What you may call hoarding I would call prudent purchase of a product that is in short supply and the fore thought of being the early bird to get the worm.

There is no such thing as hoarding. Just because one person may WANT product XYZ there is no moral imperative that says that they should be granted easy access to it.

...Prepping/stockpiling means having it in place before the shortage occurs ( see cache).  Hoarding is buying up as much as you can amass during the scarcity. There is a distinct difference both in the behavior and the consequences of the action.

I'm not contributing the shortage to hoarding exclusively. The facts are that as soon as people in general saw that the firearms they were planning on purchasing someday might become legally inaccessible, the demand swelled exponentially. The percentage of first time gun buyers out there trying to find goods, be it guns and/or ammunition is at an all time high according to FFL storefronts (read the industry news). The same applies to re-loading components. Long time firearms enthusiasts and beginners alike, finding the ammunition in short supply, turned to reloading when it was something they didn't do before.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on March 11, 2013, 09:54:55 AM
...Prepping/stockpiling means having it in place before the shortage occurs ( see cache).  Hoarding is buying up as much as you can amass during the scarcity. There is a distinct difference both in the behavior and the consequences of the action.

I'm not contributing the shortage to hoarding exclusively. The facts are that as soon as people in general saw that the firearms they were planning on purchasing someday might become legally inaccessible, the demand swelled exponentially. The percentage of first time gun buyers out there trying to find goods, be it guns and/or ammunition is at an all time high according to FFL storefronts (read the industry news). The same applies to re-loading components. Long time firearms enthusiasts and beginners alike, finding the ammunition in short supply, turned to reloading when it was something they didn't do before.

I think we need to define our terms.

Definition By the Mayo Clinic:
Hoarding is the excessive collection of items, along with the inability to discard them. Hoarding often creates such cramped living conditions that homes may be filled to capacity, with only narrow pathways winding through stacks of clutter. Some people also collect animals, keeping dozens or hundreds of pets often in unsanitary conditions.

Hoarding, also called compulsive hoarding and compulsive hoarding syndrome, may be a symptom of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). But many people who hoard don't have other OCD-related symptoms.

People who hoard often don't see it as a problem, making treatment challenging. But intensive treatment can help people who hoard understand their compulsions and live safer, more enjoyable lives.

What I see is people seeing the writing on the wall that "our" government means, if allowed,  to curtail our rights. As such people are buying the products that it sees as possibly being banned,outlawed or becoming crazy expensive . Now if that means that average Joe is not able to get ammo at 6 p.m. because the truck came in at 6 a.m. and someone else was more determined to get that limited supply of ammo, that is the average Joe's problem not that someone else got to it first and was mean and did not leave any for them.

People are snapping up the ammo at TODAYS prices with the thought that tomorrows prices will be higher. It is the reason that places like Cheaper Than Dirt sell their ammo for stupid high prices. Sure the local Walmart might not have your .22 bulk packs for 20 bucks but you can get it from CTD for 100 bucks if you REALLY gotta have it. Supply and Demand. How does it work? (magnets joke)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on March 11, 2013, 10:00:11 AM
Purchased a couple small boxes of shotshell at Walmart last night.  (Our ammo at Wallymart was put behind a locked glass door again)  My Walmart's new policy is that you pay for ammo at the counter in sporting goods, or they escort you to a cashier at the front of the store.  When I asked about this they said that they were preparing for much higher prices in ammo because of the new ammo tax.  The guy said that they expect people to try to steal ammo even more soon because new ammo taxes will be $2 - $3 per box.

I have not found anything to support this.  I suspect the reason for the escort is simply the tendency for some folks to steal due to scarcity.  Of course, I could be wrong and would not be surprised if this changed at any moment.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: gundog on March 11, 2013, 10:10:42 AM
They are not jacking up prices. This IS regular priced ammo and they can not keep it in stock.

I understand and I think it's fine to buy regular priced ammo.....or just slightly above "regular" priced ammo when it's available. That was my point exactly.

Paying $200 for a brick of .22 is something we all need to step back from for a minute.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on March 11, 2013, 10:12:41 AM
I understand and I think it's fine to buy regular priced ammo.....or just slightly above "regular" priced ammo when it's available. That was my point exactly.

Paying $200 for a brick of .22 is something we all need to step back from for a minute.
@ 200.00 for a brick of .22 I am selling.  :)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on March 11, 2013, 10:14:46 AM
Purchased a couple small boxes of shotshell at Walmart last night.  (Our ammo at Wallymart was put behind a locked glass door again)  My Walmart's new policy is that you pay for ammo at the counter in sporting goods, or they escort you to a cashier at the front of the store.  When I asked about this they said that they were preparing for much higher prices in ammo because of the new ammo tax.  The guy said that they expect people to try to steal ammo even more soon because new ammo taxes will be $2 - $3 per box.

I have not found anything to support this.  I suspect the reason for the escort is simply the tendency for some folks to steal due to scarcity.  Of course, I could be wrong and would not be surprised if this changed at any moment.
This probably deserves it's own thread at this point, but a quick search revealed that there are proposals, but there's no new tax that has passed.  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/11/lawmakers-eye-new-taxes-for-guns-ammo/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/11/lawmakers-eye-new-taxes-for-guns-ammo/)

To me, taxing ammo is the exact opposite of the way to address the issue.  The typical street thug isn't spending time at the range training.  To him, rounds could cost $5 a piece and they couldn't care less.  But for you and I, folks who actually train seriously, even a few pennies a round are significant when you're shooting 300+ rounds a month in training.  Again, punishing the innocent while ignoring the problem.

Guess it's time for a whole new round of e-mails to my congress critters.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on March 11, 2013, 10:28:26 AM
There are some alternatives to the ammo shortage for skills building. Consider the use of SIRT, Beam Hit etc.... for those skills where it is not an absolute requirement to send rounds downrange.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on March 11, 2013, 12:39:24 PM
Just left my local Dick's Sporting goods and they had about ten boxes of 3006 gameloads and a couple boxes of 17HMR and a buch of shot shells and deer slugs but zero twenty twos or handgun ammo!

Our local walmart had a couple boxes of 270/243 and zero 22 and no handgun ammo and almost no shotshells left.



enclosed is a link to a forbs article on government ammo buying!

.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on March 11, 2013, 11:07:14 PM
Local small town hardware store had some 556 for 90 cents a round with a 2 box limit.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on March 12, 2013, 01:15:28 AM
Almost of the components I ordered in early Feb have now arrived.  Just received 1,000 JHP .40" bullets today direct from Montana Gold.  They estimated 4-6 weeks on their web page and it was about 5 weeks. Last week received the 500 .308" AMAX bullets from Powder Valley and 1,000 240 gr .429" bullets direct from Missouri Bullet.  Only outstanding order is for some Wolf 223 primers from Bruno's Shooting ut I think they estimated it would be April.

So, basically the various companies are doing a good job estimating their backlog and future ship dates.  Seems like they are better organized for it this time than in 2009.  Only thing I wish I could get is Varget powder.  It is amazing in my .30-06 Garand loads but those cases drink up a lot of powder.  I worked up some alternate loads with BLC2 and H4895, so I will use those for practice and save the Varget for matches or 600 yd practice.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on March 12, 2013, 09:40:07 AM
I saw the first .22 since this started at Walmart. They had just come in, and there was only a dozen boxes of 350 rounds federal auto match. I got two for me and one for a friend. $13 each.
Looking back, I should have bought it all.  This was before the 3 box limit. I'm fed up with this run on ammo and guns, and the inflated prices on the secondary market are ridiculous still.  I'm really looking forward to the day when the manufacturers catch up.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on March 12, 2013, 10:06:54 AM
This is crazy......stop people! Stop buying severly overpriced ammo.

I know I've posted in this thread a bunch, but I haven't paid more than pre-crazy-times (my new official term) prices for anything.  I'm glad I had what ammo I did have pre-crazy-times, and I understand how others might not be in the same situation.  I'm frustrated at the people who are buying up what does get on the shelves and then turning it around to sell at higher prices. They will continue as long as the demand is there, I suppose.

And like you advised, I've been investing in other areas in the meantime.  Silver has dropped lately, and that may be a better move right now.  Just saying, copper jacketed lead in brass is not the only precious metal  :)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on March 12, 2013, 07:22:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjVqZ_--0Cs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjVqZ_--0Cs) The Ammo Shortage is an Illusion
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on March 12, 2013, 08:43:22 PM
I picked up four bricks of Remington Thunderbold .22LR for $16.45 plus 13% sales tax ($74.35 combined). The store (Lebaron Outdoors Products, Mississauga Ontario) also had Winchester Wildcat for $16.99 and a couple other brands for about $27-30 each, maybe a bit over $30 for Remington Yellow Jackets.

The cashier agreed that now was the time to buy, but there was certainly enough for other shooters looking to stock up, as we're expecting things to dry up in the next couple of months. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on March 12, 2013, 08:52:47 PM
I just found a youtube video - CCI mfg 4 million cases a day of 22lr. from that one mfg...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvK9QlQtrKI

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 4bull on March 12, 2013, 10:58:22 PM
In the paper today 5000 rounds of .223 for .60 a round , 3000.00 .

So today i get a lead that there reloading .223 in the area ? then the guy tells me that they have 2 million rounds spoken for my cheaper than dirt . Im still on the trail, then they only sell whole sale ,ok im looking in to it .
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Sid on March 13, 2013, 07:14:59 AM
It has been interesting to watch this develop.  First the semi-auto guns disappeared; one week they were there, and the next week they were gone.  Then the nato caliber ammo disappeared, and gradually everything else has disappeared, too.  Even quality replacement gun stocks to build a good sniper setup are gone.  Ammo prices are about double what they were in December, 2012 and triple what they were in December, 2011.  If you daily check what ammo is available using sites like http://ammoseek.com/ or http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/223-556/ you will see that anything even close to being reasonable priced disappears very quickly.  You need to be a magician or very lucky to catch a shipment at Walmart before it disappears.  What surprises me most is the 22lr that is nowhere to be found.

I think people aren't just panicking over possible gun control, or prepping for social breakdown.  It think more and more people are thinking revolution or civil war.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Downeastwaves on March 13, 2013, 07:30:36 AM
Shortage in Maine per this report last night:

http://www.wabi.tv/news/38381/gun-sale-spike-brings-ammo-shortage

DEW
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on March 13, 2013, 03:33:06 PM
In Minnesota (metro area)we are pretty set. I am stocked back up to my normal level, and will go back to regular training. I had been working on pistol draw, dry fire exercises.

I had time Tuesday, and went to 3 stores, only .22 was hard to find, but on place still had about 100 boxes of 500 rounds @ 4 cents.
Fleet Farm Chaska Friday had 3 Bushmaster ARs for $939 and 1 AK for $899.  I purchased 2 boxes of 250 rounds .380.
I went to Dicks in EP yesterday they had aqll sorts of ammo. I got:
 9mm two 500 round boxes of winchester ball ammo.  Corbon for my carry 120 rds.
.22 LR 500 rounds at 4 cents a shot
.22 magnum 100 rounds at 5 cents a round
They had a 2 box per type limit

All ammo was purchased at normal pricing. $16.99 for 500 9mm

Sportsman in St Louis Park, small mom and pop shop that ebbs and flows with market.
10-15 ARs from 1300-2500
I was there as the DPMS box was deleiverd, it was full of AR lowers, they 'wanted' $299 each, they got them for MUCH less. By my calculations, DPMS has not raised prices.

@cmxterra (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=976) Fleet Farm has tins of 750 and 1000 rounds in .223 and 7.26x39 (it is not the ammo shelf you shot picture of, it is about 50 feet away near the coolers) at both Lakeville and Chaska.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: spooky-1 on March 13, 2013, 05:33:27 PM
I know this is for ammo but look what i found on Sat 9 mar 2013 at cabelas st louis mills store

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8556192320_df114e50fc_k.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8097/8555080977_bc3ebe885e_k.jpg)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on March 13, 2013, 06:33:06 PM
I know this is for ammo but look what i found on Sat 9 mar 2013 at cabelas st louis mills store


We got stacks like that for AK, but no AR without purchase of an AR, then you are limited to 4 total.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: spooky-1 on March 14, 2013, 07:10:31 AM
yeah, and there were no linesor hoarding going on, most people just picked one up and passed them by. i would have picked some up, but my wife has cut me off from "gun stuff" purchasing
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on March 15, 2013, 03:35:39 PM
I know this is for ammo but look what i found on Sat 9 mar 2013 at cabelas st louis mills store

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8556192320_df114e50fc_k.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8097/8555080977_bc3ebe885e_k.jpg)

A whole bin of thermo-melt magazines. I'm not certain a return of low-quality magazines is much to get excited about. Now were that bin filled with P-Mags, that would be worth cheering. YMMV.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 16, 2013, 11:26:34 AM
A whole bin of thermo-melt magazines. I'm not certain a return of low-quality magazines is much to get excited about. Now were that bin filled with P-Mags, that would be worth cheering. YMMV.

That's over priced and sub standard product, but at least there's something available.  Remember, only 4 months ago Wholesale Sports had bins like that filled with 30 round P-mags for $9.99.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Pathman on March 16, 2013, 12:02:53 PM
I have been hunting for .25 auto for a couple of months now. All online were backordered until July. Stores empty, none at gun show.  Local store finally got some in. Paid $30 for one box of 50. Ball ofcourse, no hollowpoint anywhere.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: gartglass on March 16, 2013, 12:47:06 PM
Im not certain what Jack's talking about that bulkammo has done minimal increases in price. what ive bought of 22lr and 9mm back in Oct'12 im seeing 100%+ markup.

I'll be happy when this craziness is over, and hopefully their prices resume pre-BS, because I purchased frequently from them with never an issue.

Just my thoughts from a long term forum stalker, first time poster. be well all
jojiggler
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Chemsoldier on March 16, 2013, 02:16:38 PM
I posted this on another forum but it is a pretty decent encapsulation of my thoughts on the current demand, allegations of "price gouging" and how to fix the shortage.

"The market is working.

This is what happens when you have a strong "we won't price gouge campaign."  Some stores hold their prices at pre-demand spike levels, they get sold out by people who see their prices as so low they can make money by selling them elsewhere.  Instead of gouging their customers in price point they gouge who has the time to camp out before they open, who is lucky enough to win a lottery (some stores are handing out numbers when people walk in and then holding a drawing to see who will have the option to pick product).  So they wont f*ck you in the pocketbook, just if you have a work schedule that wont let you get there early.

If instead, prices from most vendors rose more or less uniformly to the level the market would bear, the demand would be as minimized as possible and the frenzy of speculative buying would be minimal since there is little profit margin.  Additionally, if prices were up for most vendors more profit gives incentive for more supply to become available.  Importers will have more profit incentive to get more ammo from elsewhere and manufacturers have additional incentive and capital to build more capacity.

In reality there IS some run on ammo that is not related to speculation...well not financial speculation at least.  That is, gun owners who used to go ammo shopping every week realize that with these runs on ammo effects their ability to go shoot and that with gun control on the march it might be better to have a grand or two for all their major calibers.  They are investing in ammo futures as a hedge against the future.  I have just run into it because I had over a 1K in my major calibers, I stopped buying ammo the day of the election.  I am running low on my primary pistol caliber so I have gone to rifle practice for a bit.

So in summary, the free market is working just fine, but its correction of demand is being slowed by not all actors allowing market forces to work.  There is nothing wrong with it, but we need to acknowledge that it will slow the market's correction.    The market is not messing up anymore than the weather does when it rains."
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Chemsoldier on March 16, 2013, 02:26:38 PM
So people are "copy canning" ammo now.  Large numbers of people are trying to buy 6 months or a year worth of ammo in a matter of weeks.  Of course you can't find ammo.

The stupid high prices are awesome because that means if you have to get ammo and you really really mean it, you still can.  If you dont want to pay that, then don't and wait.  Or dont and spend lots of time surfing for deals, or wait in line for two hours in the cold before the store opens the day they get their shipment in.

The high prices are also good because it provides the profit incentive to fix the supply problem.

I had a spare semi-auto rifle.  The prices got so stupid high that I decided to sell it.  The prospect of profit caused me to add that rifle to the supply to help alleviate demand.  The higher profit margin is an incentive to manufacturers to make more, distributors to try to import more, used rifle owners to sell their rifles.

Some guys who had a ton of ammo laid up are putting it on gun broker now because the perspective of profit is high enough. 

The high price of ammo (where it hasnt been kept artificially low by some "dont price gouge" meme) also keeps sunday drivers out of the market.  Johnny "I never go to the range" is less likely to buy when prices are stupid high.  If the prices are kept low we are all left like a bunch of Soviet workers waiting in line for hours for the chance to get an orange.  At least in a free market we are priced out of it fair and square.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PorcupineKate on March 16, 2013, 04:58:34 PM
I am just hoping the supply of .22lr increases before I run out of ammo. 

My friends and I run a couple of ladies only shoots a month at the local gun clubs.  I don't want to have to turn away brand new shooters because we can't get ammo.   If things don't improve classes this fall will be interesting. 

I can see people having problems attending an Appleseed event if this keeps up.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Chemsoldier on March 16, 2013, 06:27:03 PM
I am just hoping the supply of .22lr increases before I run out of ammo. 

My friends and I run a couple of ladies only shoots a month at the local gun clubs.  I don't want to have to turn away brand new shooters because we can't get ammo.   If things don't improve classes this fall will be interesting. 

I can see people having problems attending an Appleseed event if this keeps up.
The issues with appleseed are already here.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PorcupineKate on March 16, 2013, 07:43:49 PM
I figured.  I just haven't had a chance to sit down with my favorite Appleseed instructor and chat about it.   
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Call on March 17, 2013, 08:19:57 AM
Still no issues here in southern Ontario. I bought a 525 pack of Winchester hollow-points at one outfitter ($23.75) and a 500 pack of Federal at another ($22.00). The clerk at the second place said they had no shortage concerns at this time, the only thing he had trouble getting from the U.S. were certain types of handguns that had increased in demand down south.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on March 18, 2013, 06:24:50 AM


BulkAmmo.com has .22LR for .14/rd

http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-22-lr-ammo-22lr40grsolidcenturion-5000


5000/rnd pack.   If you are MSB, you should get a free ammo can w/ this purchase.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on March 18, 2013, 07:24:18 AM

BulkAmmo.com has .22LR for .14/rd

http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-22-lr-ammo-22lr40grsolidcenturion-5000


5000/rnd pack.   If you are MSB, you should get a free ammo can w/ this purchase.


gone!

They had 22 in stock (5000 rnds each) and it is gone in less than 1 hour.  110,000 rounds of .22LR from one site, just in that time.   Crazy.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PorcupineKate on March 18, 2013, 07:51:39 AM
Wow that was fast!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on March 18, 2013, 08:55:19 AM

BulkAmmo.com has .22LR for .14/rd
...
OMG!  $0.14/round for no name .22 shells?  $70 for a brick?  That's insane, but I guess as long as they found 22 customers willing to buy in under an hour, it's whatever the market will bear.  Yikes!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cheryl1 on March 18, 2013, 08:57:09 AM
Who are these people stocking up at these prices? Sheesh!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on March 18, 2013, 09:00:38 AM


I'm curiously watching this site this morning.   I have see those above actually go out of stock and back in stock 3 times now.   Very weird, not sure if folks buying them are not completing transactions, returning to stock?   

Too rich for my blood, but goes to show folks are still buying like crazy.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on March 18, 2013, 09:04:02 AM
According to a range buddy, several vendors at the Tanner Gun show in Denver had bricks of .22 priced between $60-$80 recently.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Virginian on March 18, 2013, 09:16:13 AM
Who are these people stocking up at these prices? Sheesh!


I'm sure some of these people are planning on selling at a price many times their cost if inventories don't return to normal in the near future.

These people, greedy or smart??
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cheryl1 on March 18, 2013, 10:53:54 AM
Smart risk takers (if it works) this is a capitalist country (in theory)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 18, 2013, 10:55:08 AM
Hypothetical:

I've got 5 unopened bricks of Fed Champion (525 packs).  I paid $15.99 each last December.
I've also got about 8x 100 round packs of CCI minimags that I've accumulated over the years.

While it seems like a douchey move on my part, what if I found a buyer willing to pay $500 or more for that stash?  That would deplete my .22lr nest egg (leaving a few hundred rounds for minimal practice), but I could go afford a whole new gun for that money, or make an extra car payment.  Also, it stands to reason there'll eventually be more .22lr made.  As far as I know, DHS isn't consuming this stuff (yet?).

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LICountryBoy on March 18, 2013, 11:09:58 AM
I think it's made worse in NY because of the law taking effect next year that will require background checks on ammo and any "large" purchases to be reported. I still do not know what constitutes a large purchase.

There was a lot more variety available in 12 gauge shells yesterday. More guns on the racks and there was actually a Mossberg Lever in 44 magnum on the rack. The lever guns have been all but dried up lately.

I been wanting to pick up at Marlin at some point. No rush. I've been wanting to get one for years now so why rush.
 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on March 18, 2013, 11:41:30 AM
Hypothetical:

I've got 5 unopened bricks of Fed Champion (525 packs).  I paid $15.99 each last December.
I've also got about 8x 100 round packs of CCI minimags that I've accumulated over the years.

While it seems like a douchey move on my part, what if I found a buyer willing to pay $500 or more for that stash?  That would deplete my .22lr nest egg (leaving a few hundred rounds for minimal practice), but I could go afford a whole new gun for that money, or make an extra car payment.  Also, it stands to reason there'll eventually be more .22lr made.  As far as I know, DHS isn't consuming this stuff (yet?).

When state and federal agencies can either not afford or cannot get 5.56 ammo with which to train, yes, .22lr is on the list with conversion kits. The private firearms instructors began accepting the use of .22lr in classes back as early as 2008-2009.  I suspect .22lr be one of the last calibers back on the shelves in large quantity because of the affordability factor. People will likely keep gobbling up the supply as fast as it can be manufactured. Don't forget this current 'panic' has brought a whole new demographic of firearms & ammunition buyers to the forefront, newbies with ZERO supply with which to begin.

A gun without ammo. is a stick with metal attached to it. May has well have golf clubs if one has no ammo., IMO. YMMV.

Link to story of "Thousands" waiting in line to purchase ammunition at a recent Sacramento gun show  http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/03/16/thousands-line-up-outside-cal-expo-gun-show-to-buy-ammunition/
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on March 18, 2013, 03:20:21 PM
Hypothetical:

I've got 5 unopened bricks of Fed Champion (525 packs).  I paid $15.99 each last December.
I've also got about 8x 100 round packs of CCI minimags that I've accumulated over the years.

While it seems like a douchey move on my part, what if I found a buyer willing to pay $500 or more for that stash?  That would deplete my .22lr nest egg (leaving a few hundred rounds for minimal practice), but I could go afford a whole new gun for that money, or make an extra car payment.  Also, it stands to reason there'll eventually be more .22lr made.  As far as I know, DHS isn't consuming this stuff (yet?).

Well, therein is the rub!  If you are confident the supplies will eventually catch up then sure why not sell?  However, if you think some really bad stuff is about to happen in the next year, that .22LR could be pretty handy. Not just legislation, but Zero Hedge and Market-ticker are predicting our economy to collapse in the next two years.

Personally, I could make a lot of money on mags and ammo. I have multiple unopened 250 rd bulk packs of 9mm, .40, .45 and .38 and I reload so I could sell those and hardly miss them.  I have over 150 AR mags most of them unused, and near 100 AK mags, most never used.  I have close to 25,000 rds of .22LR and 2,000 rds .223 unopened and near 2,000 milsurp .30-06.  Do I plan to sell any of it? Nada.  I have given some away to family and friends including some primers and bullets.

It seems to me the very worst events happen with the least notice and by the time you know something is going to happen then supplies dry up and there is nothing to be done about it at that late date.  What I do know as an absolute guaranteed event is our economy is going to collapse violently.  I don't know the timing.  Some say this yea, some say within two years, some say within the next ten years.  It has taken me several years to accumulate what I have for preps and I have no plans to sell one item off now when I know the biggest disaster in our history is upon us.

Legislation is just the icing on the shit sandwich we are about to e served and I want my ammo.  ;D
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 18, 2013, 04:55:52 PM
*if* I had 10x the stocks I have, *and* I had other preps that were lacking (even mundane stuff like paying off debt, or buying tools),  I personally feel this is a strong opportunity to liquidate some.

I once knew this kid in S.C.  He was real handy with cars and engines in general.  He would get junker cars for a few hundred bucks and get them into minimally reliable daily drivers for next to nothing.  They were all ugly as sin, with an average blue book under $1K a piece.  At one point he had over a dozen such cars.  Considering how little financial investment he'd made, his "fleet" was rather impressive.  The truth however, he told me he'd trade them all for a used Honda Accord he could rely on to get to work every day.

I'm not really sure where I was going, and apologize for digressing  :-[
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Steve Cover on March 19, 2013, 12:42:12 PM
Just got off the phone with my brother in law up in the North Western corner of Washington State.

He told me that a brick of 22 rim fire shells is now going for $100.00 at Cabala's!!

Guess I'll be using my slingshot for awhile.

Steve
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on March 19, 2013, 01:29:52 PM
Holy crap! I was just in the main Cabela's store at their West Virginia headquarters (always a madhouse) — they were GUTTED of all handgun ammo except for a large shelf of 45 ACP. They seemed to have most other rifle / shotgun ammo in stock, but the shelves were 50% bare.

The GUN COUNTER however has a friggin DELI COUNTER NUMBER system and from what I could gather, there was a 2hr + wait to get someone behind the gun counter to even SPEAK to you...

The Gun Library room, which I don't even understand the difference between that and the "regular" gun counter (they don't seem to have a very different selection between the 2) — did not have a huge line of people.

They did not seem to have ANY rifles of any caliber more powerful than a .22 — and the ammo prices I did see were RIDICULOUS. We were only there to find a relatively inexpensive gun safe to keep our curious toddlers away from the handguns in the house — and found a good deal, along with some other good deals.

But like any sporting goods store, some deals are better than others.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on March 19, 2013, 03:27:00 PM
Hypothetical:

I've got 5 unopened bricks of Fed Champion (525 packs).  I paid $15.99 each last December.
I've also got about 8x 100 round packs of CCI minimags that I've accumulated over the years.

While it seems like a douchey move on my part, what if I found a buyer willing to pay $500 or more for that stash?  That would deplete my .22lr nest egg (leaving a few hundred rounds for minimal practice), but I could go afford a whole new gun for that money, or make an extra car payment.  Also, it stands to reason there'll eventually be more .22lr made.  As far as I know, DHS isn't consuming this stuff (yet?).

If all it leaves you with is a few hundred rounds I wouldn't do it... easy for me to say since I have 3300 rounds for sale on gunbroker right now, which still leaves me at least 30,000 round of 22LR, so I'm not hurting.

Essentially I am trading a few thousand rounds of 22 for a new suppressor (22 also) and having my 10/22 takedown barrel treaded.

I would not feel comfortable with only a few hundred rounds (or even a few thousand) but if you do its hard to pass on the current prices.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 19, 2013, 05:37:21 PM
If all it leaves you with is a few hundred rounds I wouldn't do it... easy for me to say since I have 3300 rounds for sale on gunbroker right now, which still leaves me at least 30,000 round of 22LR, so I'm not hurting.

Essentially I am trading a few thousand rounds of 22 for a new suppressor (22 also) and having my 10/22 takedown barrel treaded.

I would not feel comfortable with only a few hundred rounds (or even a few thousand) but if you do its hard to pass on the current prices.

If and when .22lr ammo reappears, I want to try some subsonics in my 10/22.  I just replaced the charging handle with one from Kidd.  Motivation was to get something easier for my 9 year old to grab onto, but the bonus is it comes with 3 springs: subsonic, regular and hypervelocity.

I've already polished and slightly chamferred my bolt, so I figure it's possible to get it to cycle.  Then, and only then might I consider adding a can.
Though I'd want a second 10/22, as mine is setup like an M1 Carbine, with wood stock and USGI iron sights.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on March 20, 2013, 05:50:48 AM
If and when .22lr ammo reappears, I want to try some subsonics in my 10/22.  I just replaced the charging handle with one from Kidd.  Motivation was to get something easier for my 9 year old to grab onto, but the bonus is it comes with 3 springs: subsonic, regular and hypervelocity.

I've already polished and slightly chamferred my bolt, so I figure it's possible to get it to cycle.  Then, and only then might I consider adding a can.
Though I'd want a second 10/22, as mine is setup like an M1 Carbine, with wood stock and USGI iron sights.


Same here, but instead of the semi-auto route, i'm going bolt action for a quieter .22LR.   My thinking is that if I do need to make that ultra quiet shot, that I'd like the entire action manual to allow for cycling when I want it.   I also don't have to worry about the whether the 10/22 feeds it or not.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 20, 2013, 05:10:19 PM

Same here, but instead of the semi-auto route, i'm going bolt action for a quieter .22LR.   My thinking is that if I do need to make that ultra quiet shot, that I'd like the entire action manual to allow for cycling when I want it.   I also don't have to worry about the whether the 10/22 feeds it or not.

Yes.  That is ideal.  I have a decent 4x32mm Nikon scope waiting for such a .22 bolt gun.  Had this in mind:
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIITR (http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIITR)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on March 21, 2013, 07:36:26 AM
Hit my local Super Wally World last night and their shelves were completly bare with big out of stock signs listing pretty much every round they carry.  They informed me that ammo does not last more than 1 hour after their shipment come in.  They had full stock of Federal 12ga #7 1/2 shot 100cnt Boxes for either 26 or 29$ though that was it.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on March 22, 2013, 05:23:30 PM
I would like to take out my 10/22 and get my shit together for an Appleseed shoot. I have enough rounds to practice with, but I cannot fathom replacing what I shoot. Bulkammo.com has 50 rounds for $24. That is frackin' ridiculous. I cannot pull the trigger on a 22 and think there is $0.50 going down range. Screw that. Back to gardening and buying Mountain House.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on March 22, 2013, 05:52:57 PM
I would like to take out my 10/22 and get my shit together for an Appleseed shoot. I have enough rounds to practice with, but I cannot fathom replacing what I shoot. Bulkammo.com has 50 rounds for $24. That is frackin' ridiculous. I cannot pull the trigger on a 22 and think there is $0.50 going down range. Screw that. Back to gardening and buying Mountain House.



Those prices are temporary to keep horders at bay. If you have the ammo and it isn't your emergency storage, use it to learn to shoot strait. Precision shooting takes time and practice. Do one AS, and you can close the gap between you and a rifleman with dry fire at home. When you can do the AQT dry within time and be comfortable doing it, then wait for ammo prices to calm down (if they haven't already) and get patched.

If you stocked ammo for training in case times got sparse, now is that time. Get trained.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on March 22, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
PPU .40S&W JHP has been plentiful at WM for ~$20/box last few times I've checked. .270 and odd sized shotgun has also been there. EVERYTHING else has been gone.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on March 23, 2013, 04:36:21 AM
PPU .40S&W JHP has been plentiful at WM for ~$20/box last few times I've checked. .270 and odd sized shotgun has also been there. EVERYTHING else has been gone.

Why so much .380 .40 and .45? .380 is the cheapest I have seen in years.

I am seeing regular pricing here again in MN. $.05 per .22 round. $.06 for .22 magnum, I can run in most my deep conceal guns. $17.99 for 100 winchester 9mm. All is limit 2 per caliber.

I am just doing different training. Guns I do not like, I collect, I hardly ever sell, just like my investment in stocks, silver and gold, all long term investments. I trade in silver, and take it as payment for services rendered. The guns are to be handed down. I want, "Grand-dad hated this gun for is kick, but trained with it during the ammo drought of 2012/2013." Hell, the story goes," Grandma carried this gun in her bra holster!"


.380 .40 and .46 is widely available.

.22 is running $.05 a round. .22 Mag is $.06

$17.99 for 100 9mm winchester. I think I paid $28 each for 50 Corbon (what I carry in my GLOCKs). Great ammo, it is my favorite.

Reloading supplies are GONE unless you know someone.

$299 for DPMS lowers available

$930 for bushmaster AR in .223 with a standard receiver 1 30rd mag (no others available). In stock for last 3 weeks.

$805 for new AK47 Century Arms no foreign stamp?? Looks American made. In stock for last 3 weeks.

Hundreds of AK 30rd Magazines for $29. I tried to sell a few on Armslist, with little replies. Did not sell any, just added to collection. I need a good profit to make it worth the risk. I am an AK guy. I'd rather have an AK, than a fncking AR. Cuz if the fed come to fetch ya you and your AR are going out on a stretcher. I know they are great guns, but I like my guns to go bang EVERY time. ARs can be finicky. They are awesome tricked out (I have some) but i like the AK as my go-to gun. I would rather defend with this and a GLOCK 9mm than any other combo in a SHTF.

I am very close to a LEO that had colt 9mm carbine with 3 round burst, that "stovepiped" during what was believed to be an active shooter scenario. He loaded the mag, racked and it stuck like a loaded stovepipe. If it was my call, that gun would be retired. But, I a just the computer guy, so what do I know...

Plus, I think new shooters like the look of the AK. It is what has stopped, started, and been poster child for many worthy revolutions (and even more BAD ones!) Girls want there pictures with AKs, not ARs. ARs can lok like a hunting rifle, even the most lame duck AK47 looks cool for pictures.

I have no need to shoot beyond 100 feet. Beyond that is not self defence in America. If we get bad enough I need more accuracy, I am not sure I am living in a world I want to live in. I can do a 5 inch dinner plate unstopped at 100 yards with my "everyday" AK, it was my first, and is my go-to rifle. It has hundreds of thousands of rounds, and goes bang every shot, even with crap ammo. I do not clean it as I do other guns, and it NEVER malfunctions. It is loose, sloppy and very accurate.

Sorry for the rant. Had a very stressful week.

Ammo is for the most part easily findable in the Twin Cities of Minnesota. .22LR can still be tricky, but you need to be ready to buy. You may end up with a jerk with family stocking up, and you have to wait 2 days. Or you score 2000 rounds for $40, and your wife also. I saw a skid go to 1 guy and his friends and family, 2 boxes at a time, all cash. I hope it was for an appleseed or something, not just a huge stockpile, or for resale.

7.62 and .223 can be had in 750 $230 and 1000 $300 tins. Depends on how nice you want the ammo. 7.62 in my AK cheap ammo has been keeping me happy for rifle training.

All is limit 2 per caliber.











































Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 23, 2013, 08:16:10 AM
It wasn't bad as rants go, but it veered off topic and didn't really help us. <- that's my rant  :D

So does the relatively abundant inventory in MN tell us anything?

While I like AR-15s, if for no other purposes than to annoy AK guys, I have noticed select number of higher end complete uppers become available.  I still have not seen BCGs. That suggests that the backlog following the panic black rifle purchases just might catching up.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: UnderTheRadar on March 23, 2013, 11:40:06 AM
Lacey Cabelas had steel case 223 ($6.99 for 20) 9pm last night, limit is now 5 per person.  Last Friday they had complete AR's for $1100; I didn't look this week.  Cheap plastic AR mags in volume for $25.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on March 23, 2013, 11:52:32 AM
Cheap plastic AR mags in volume for $25.

I saw those mag's when I visted there on Wednesday . . .  They looked VERY cheap, no thank you.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on March 23, 2013, 01:27:21 PM
Magpul came through and dealt us Coloradoans a solid before leaving the state.  I just got five 30 round Pmags with the window for $15.95 each.  I hate to see them go, Alabama is getting a good company.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on March 23, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
It wasn't bad as rants go, but it veered off topic and didn't really help us. <- that's my rant  :D

So does the relatively abundant inventory in MN tell us anything?

While I like AR-15s, if for no other purposes than to annoy AK guys, I have noticed select number of higher end complete uppers become available.  I still have not seen BCGs. That suggests that the backlog following the panic black rifle purchases just might catching up.

It was a long couple weeks, and it was nice to let my mind wander about guns. :)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on March 23, 2013, 09:51:29 PM
I saw 5 or 6 trays (100 rounds) of .22LR CCI  on the shelf at Walmart yesterday.  I think it was priced at about 6.97 per tray.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nimzy88 on March 24, 2013, 02:59:16 AM
CCI must be shipping well now, our shop had several thousand rounds of .22LR in the other day and sold out by the end of the day at $9/100

Also had a stack of cases of steel core wolf 7.62, no .223 yet in shop.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Roundabouts on March 24, 2013, 09:10:33 AM
Our local Bi Mart is empty now.  Shelf after shelf empty.  Clark county WA
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 11 Bravo on March 26, 2013, 11:34:58 AM
New Cabela's just opened in Grandville, Michigan, so they are very well stocked daily. Tons of Herters (Tula) .223 and 7.62 in stock. The .223 is going for $6.97/20 rds....not great, but not bad....but the .22 is cleaned out.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 26, 2013, 11:56:32 AM
Has this supply situation caused anyone to consider adopting "weird" calibers?

I've routinely seen .357sig, 10mm and on the rifle side everything but NATO/milsurp rounds.

In the current context, even the super exotic 5.7mm pistol rounds don't seem as ridiculous.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on March 26, 2013, 03:07:20 PM
Powder Valley got in a bunch of Hodgdon powders and lasted at least through yesterday.

I'm doing OK for now in all my standard calibers, and have too much invested in what I have to switch to something else. If I were starting off I would definitely be looking for something in an available caliber such as  .204, .243, .257, .260, 7mm.  Not sure which AR15 calibers are available these days but 6.8 or 6.5 might be worth considering.

When I was stocking up aggressively (2007 and 2011) I focused first on a few calibers to ensure I had plenty of those: .40, .223, .30-06 Garand, .22LR in CCI/Blazer, and 12 ga buck and slugs. Only after that did I supplement with ammo and components for secondary calibers such as .30 Carbine, 9mm, .45ACP.  I did very little additions if at all to .308, .38 and .44 mag (I no longer had a .44 anyway).  Now that I once again have a .44 that is the only cartridge I ended up short on powder for, bullets are still easy to get for it.

My SIL came into the shooting sports just during the previous dry spell (2009) because he returned from overseas station.  I gave him stuff to get by at first and then he stocked up like mad in 2010-2012 so he is good to go.  Lesson learned: when it is available and reasonably priced, stock up for a years worth at least.  Then you can coast through the next shortage.  I am sure we will continue to have periodic shortage due to politics and economy swings.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bolomark on March 26, 2013, 08:27:55 PM
local gun store has .223 pmc bronze 25rd boxes 11.99 limit 25 boxes a day.
getting better.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PorcupineKate on March 26, 2013, 09:39:06 PM
Has this supply situation caused anyone to consider adopting "weird" calibers?

I've routinely seen .357sig, 10mm and on the rifle side everything but NATO/milsurp rounds.

In the current context, even the super exotic 5.7mm pistol rounds don't seem as ridiculous.

DH shoots .357sig.  I can find boxes of ammo for him but no powder or bullets to reload that caliber.  Luckily he doesn't shoot it that often.. 

I am really looking forward to getting .22lr easily. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 4bull on March 26, 2013, 10:23:15 PM
The best i have heard was a case of .223 going for 700. today . No .22's in sight .
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on March 27, 2013, 12:37:29 AM
5.7 is not a good option, at least in this context. Over the last 6-8 months, the supply has dried up. Many places putting it on BO for 6+ months, and then extending the estimate as the deadline gets closer. I think it has to do with DHS and I think some other agencies using it as a duty round.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on March 27, 2013, 07:06:42 AM
Has this supply situation caused anyone to consider adopting "weird" calibers?

While it may not be a weird caliber, where i am there is tons of 7mm. Even Wallmart has a bunch, seems no one buys it out side of deer season maybe.  Thats all we have here though everything else is nonexistant. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 27, 2013, 10:00:49 AM
5.7 is not a good option, at least in this context. Over the last 6-8 months, the supply has dried up. Many places putting it on BO for 6+ months, and then extending the estimate as the deadline gets closer. I think it has to do with DHS and I think some other agencies using it as a duty round.

From what I've read, also sounds like a hassle to hand load.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on March 27, 2013, 11:49:06 AM
From what I've read, also sounds like a hassle to hand load.

bulkammo.com has it for a $1/round right now.

http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-5-7x28-mm-ammo-57x28mm40grtmjfederal-500

I was recently introduced to this round at an NRA class I took.   Supposedly it is a nasty little bugger, particularly w/ armor peircing rounds.   The instructor had both an FN 5.7 pistol and an AR platform similar to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqx7UKvnIN0 

The guys from Moss Pawn and Gun got a cool youtube video they recently did on an FN P90.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heWuhDADCu8&list=UUWJHDMgKWWvOsdyRF3HPVEw&index=3

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on March 27, 2013, 01:14:16 PM
Has this supply situation caused anyone to consider adopting "weird" calibers?

I've routinely seen .357sig, 10mm and on the rifle side everything but NATO/milsurp rounds.

In the current context, even the super exotic 5.7mm pistol rounds don't seem as ridiculous.
I'm seriously thinking about a 10mm for the first time.  Not purely because of this, I was kind of moving in that direction anyway since I want a handgun I can legally take big game with.  My intention is not to use it for hunting, per se, but rather for the simple task of taking a final kill shot with, since technically, it's illegal to use your 9mm to do that task here.  Also, since magazines are now restricted to 15 rounds, having 16 rounds that have more stopping power than a .357 magnum sounds like a winner to me.

10mm has always been expensive to shoot.  Now it's just as expensive as it ever was, but when everything else doubles in price, suddenly it doesn't look so expensive by comparison. ::)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: EagleSteel on March 27, 2013, 01:55:51 PM
I'm seriously thinking about a 10mm for the first time.  Not purely because of this, I was kind of moving in that direction anyway since I want a handgun I can legally take big game with.  My intention is not to use it for hunting, per se, but rather for the simple task of taking a final kill shot with, since technically, it's illegal to use your 9mm to do that task here.  Also, since magazines are now restricted to 15 rounds, having 16 rounds that have more stopping power than a .357 magnum sounds like a winner to me.

10mm has always been expensive to shoot.  Now it's just as expensive as it ever was, but when everything else doubles in price, suddenly it doesn't look so expensive by comparison. ::)

Yeah tell me about it. I bought 60 rounds of 300 Blackout from gunbroker.com because I could not find it anywhere else. I paid $2 a freaking round!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on March 27, 2013, 02:14:14 PM
I sold ~7000 rounds of 22LR for ~1200 on gunbroker... its ridiculous out there, I expected maybe 0.10 a round, but put it up for auction and averages over $80 a brick, I can't believe it.

I'd be a little embarrassed to quote someone $80 a brick, but apparently a free market set the price. buyers also paid shipping.

The market is crazy. But if you had zero, I guess you do what you have to do.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: EagleSteel on March 27, 2013, 02:25:51 PM
I sold ~7000 rounds of 22LR for ~1200 on gunbroker... its ridiculous out there, I expected maybe 0.10 a round, but put it up for auction and averages over $80 a brick, I can't believe it.

I'd be a little embarrassed to quote someone $80 a brick, but apparently a free market set the price. buyers also paid shipping.

The market is crazy. But if you had zero, I guess you do what you have to do.

Yeah, I finished building my 300 Blackout last week. So I wanted to be able to run a clip through it and have a loaded clip so that it's, like Jack says, an over priced club. The good thing is I have over 1,000 rounds of .223 for both of my AR15.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on March 27, 2013, 02:50:00 PM
Yeah, I finished building my 300 Blackout last week. So I wanted to be able to run a clip through it and have a loaded clip so that it's, like Jack says, an over priced club. The good thing is I have over 1,000 rounds of .223 for both of my AR15.

I'd do the same thing, if I had NONE, or very little, I'd pay what I had to pay. But right now, I can order cases of speer gold dot or federal hydrashock for the same price people are paying for cheap FMJ rounds. If the price is the same I'd tell people to go for the good stuff.

I bought 500 rounds of 77gr OTM 5.56 ammo for about 90 cents a round, which is the same as SS109 is going for... and the 77gr OTM goes for 90 cents a round all the time, so I know which I'll buy.

The case of the 10mm is a good example, if 9mm is selling for $1 a round, I'd consider the 10mm. I actually like the idea, for a backwoods pistol that can pull double duty as a defensive handgun. Maybe my next discounted Glock might be one of the 10s. (if I can fund enough mags and ammo, I never buy a firearm unless I can procure at least 1000 rounds of ammo and 7 mags at the same time, except my 50bmg, since that is a very special purpose weapon)

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on March 27, 2013, 04:40:48 PM
except my 50bmg, since that is a very special purpose weapon

Everyone needs a squirrel gun. LOL
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on March 27, 2013, 07:47:50 PM
I almost closed the deal on trading a Remington 7400 and 700 rounds of 5.56 for a PTR-91.  Didn't quite work out, but really, it's the price of ammo that almost sealed the deal.  He couldn't afford to shoot either his 5.56 or his 7.62, so he was almost willing to part with one for the ammo for the other.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on March 27, 2013, 11:13:43 PM
I almost closed the deal on trading a Remington 7400 and 700 rounds of 5.56 for a PTR-91.  Didn't quite work out, but really, it's the price of ammo that almost sealed the deal.  He couldn't afford to shoot either his 5.56 or his 7.62, so he was almost willing to part with one for the ammo for the other.

Dang it . . .  Keep on him, I would like a review.  How close do they resemble the HK91?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on March 28, 2013, 12:07:39 AM
It's built on the same tooling. VERY similar to the HK. All of my customers have been really happy with theirs.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ouphie on March 28, 2013, 12:27:01 AM
I was just at Walmart in Bend, OR and overheard the clerk talking to a couple customers.  They had received a large shipment of .223 FMJ in ammo can, but were limiting the stock on the shelf to 6 per day.  The manager wanted to "make the sales last longer".

All in all, not terribly surprising.  There was very little ammo in general, but no noticeable change in price.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Lone Yankee on March 28, 2013, 05:51:20 AM
Up here in Cow Hampshire you can get most anything you want but probably not more than a box or two at a time.  -LY
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on March 29, 2013, 08:03:52 AM
I broke down and bought 500 rounds of .223 on bulkammo.com for $389. I just want to be able to shoot my AR-15 every once in awhile and be ready for zombies. I could not take it anymore.

I need to get a .22 conversion kit. I'll troll the forums on that.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on March 29, 2013, 08:09:30 AM
I don't know if a conversion kit would help. I don't see any .22 anywhere.

Walmart was sad yesterday. No pistol ammo at all. The only thing they had was a few boxes of .270, 7 mm, .17 HMR and birdshot.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on March 29, 2013, 08:49:22 AM
I broke down and bought 500 rounds of .223 on bulkammo.com for $389. I just want to be able to shoot my AR-15 every once in awhile and be ready for zombies. I could not take it anymore.

I need to get a .22 conversion kit. I'll troll the forums on that.
I just got this in a marketing e-mail from Sawtooth Tactical: http://www.sawtac.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29853 (http://www.sawtac.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29853)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on March 29, 2013, 01:32:34 PM
I just got this in a marketing e-mail from Sawtooth Tactical: http://www.sawtac.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29853 (http://www.sawtac.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29853)

I got the same thing. I'm wondering if I should just stick with shooting and improving my 10/22 skills or get a conversion kit. Indecision has set in. ;-)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on March 29, 2013, 03:51:19 PM
I got the same thing. I'm wondering if I should just stick with shooting and improving my 10/22 skills or get a conversion kit. Indecision has set in. ;-)
It's like trying to figure out if you should buy a car for the better mileage or start reloading to save money.  Once you calculate in the upfront costs to get started, the pay off tends to be way down the road. 

If you already have a 10/22 to train with, personally, I'd stick with that.  Even at the astronomical cost of $80/brick ($0.16/round), it's still a fraction of the cost of 5.56, but when you average in the start up cost of $225 (shipping, too), the math gets pretty tricky.  You could shoot 1,406 rounds of $0.16 .22lr rounds for the cost of the kit.

Without the Ruger 10/22, the math is easy.  The converter costs the same as 265 rounds of 5.56 (at $0.85/round), so in just a few hundred rounds it would pay for itself.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on March 29, 2013, 04:32:14 PM
whether to get the conversion kit depends on your spot on your training curve. if you are just starting out, hold off and learn the fundamentals.  if you are at the point where you need more familiarizing with a go to weapon, then the conversion kit suits your needs. As always, the tool should be chosen for the job. the kits for 22 in an ar are great for learning the AR, but the don't always provide top notch accuracy, so to learn marksmanship, there are better tools.


in my I'm not coming home battle gear I keep a ar conversion kit and a glock 19 22lr slide with 300 rounds of minimag 22lr ammo, for the long term haul they are great to have. again the job determines the tool
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: towles on March 29, 2013, 04:35:13 PM
I found 5 boxes of 525 rounds of 22 today. Paid a little more than I should have, but it was quite the find. Nearly 3k rounds of 22 is very hard to find much less in one place.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Cooter Brown on March 29, 2013, 06:50:24 PM

I need to get a .22 conversion kit. I'll troll the forums on that.

I found some Federal .22, 36 gr copper plated last night for only 21 cents a round... :jaw-drop:

All things considered you did ok on the 223
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: trekker111 on March 29, 2013, 11:51:46 PM
It's like trying to figure out if you should buy a car for the better mileage or start reloading to save money.  Once you calculate in the upfront costs to get started, the pay off tends to be way down the road.

That all depends on what you are reloading. I paid for my reloading equipment within the first 2 months of purchasing it, and have saved well over $1000 since.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on March 30, 2013, 02:36:39 AM
With discussions of reloading, shortages, and where all that ammo is going, ever wonder how .22lr is made?  Here are two video's featuring just one manufacturer (CCI) who pushes out a wopping 4 million rounds a day out of their Lewiston, ID plant.

Video 2 shows accuracy testing of their "Select" brand made to shoot well in semi-auto's and it achieves 3/4MOA  :o

Video 2 also shows penetration examples from the many options they offer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvK9QlQtrKI&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EdNkfTS0lOQ&list=UU7qB--C24DexdVB1GOTgbJQ
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Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: iam4liberty on March 30, 2013, 09:43:20 AM
If you already have a 10/22 to train with, personally, I'd stick with that.  Even at the astronomical cost of $80/brick ($0.16/round), it's still a fraction of the cost of 5.56, but when you average in the start up cost of $225 (shipping, too), the math gets pretty tricky.  You could shoot 1,406 rounds of $0.16 .22lr rounds for the cost of the kit.

Without the Ruger 10/22, the math is easy.  The converter costs the same as 265 rounds of 5.56 (at $0.85/round), so in just a few hundred rounds it would pay for itself.

Good cost analysis.

Having seen 50ish of these conversions on the line at Appleseeds, there are a couple things that should be considered in addition to price.  One is that several of the drop in conversions don't have a bolt hold open or have it as a separate option which limits your magazine options.  I have seen this cause some problems on people transitioning from the rimfire to centerfire as they end up racking the bolt during centerfire rather than using the release.  Another issue is that you will need to adjust your optics between switching as the 22 zero wont match the 556 zero.  So, a general rule which needs to be followed religiously is that after using the conversion you need to reset and verify your zero on the centerfire.  Another issue is that some of the conversions have proven unreliable with a variety of ammo. So, it isn't just a matter of finding 22 ammo, it is a matter of finding ammo which will work with the conversion.  From what I have seen, CCI seems to be the most reliable.  Finally, mag prices tend to be quite high for conversion kits ($20 to $40 is common).  So that needs to be considered in the above analysis.

Dedicated uppers tend to be a lot less ammo sensitive and depending on configuration can avoid the re-zeroing issue.  So while they are more expensive it may be a better match. 

All this said, I believe that setting up a dedicated Liberty Training Rifle is the way to go.  Either a Ruger 10/22 or marlin 795 with tech sights creates a good training rifle with a similar sight picture to the AR.  You don't even need customizing skills to get a rifle like this now that the Marlin Appleseed Liberty Training Rifle is rolling out:

(http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/8517250508_0278813cf4_b.jpg)

And it won't cost much more than the conversion kit with mags.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TxMom on March 30, 2013, 10:31:20 AM
Shortage of .22's here.  They do make a great barter tool.  My husband realized he had more .22's then he thought, and with everyone in town begging for .22's he traded with a local pawn shop for a new rifle and cash equal to what he'd originally paid for the bullets.   

When the word got out that the pawn shop had .22 ammo, people flocked to the store.  She had a new policy in place, ammo only sold to those who also buy a gun of some sort.    Now she did have .223 ammo and so do several on the local gun/ammo trade group.  But the .22 ammo is quite scarce locally.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: glacierspyder on March 30, 2013, 05:54:09 PM
I agree with TxMom. Got some cool loot on trades for a brick of .22 shells from local people. Locally here in my area of Michigan all the main chain stores are out of everything besides .270, .30-06, shotgun shells and some of the wildcat calibers. Most of the private local shops are getting supplied with more ammo every week still not able to find .223, 5.56 or 7.62 x 39. If they do have those calibers your paying around $20 for a box that cost $10 last year. Also if you find a place with a good supply of P-Mags in stock their going from $45-$60 a piece. The local shop I deal with got a small order in and had to raise the price to $20.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on March 31, 2013, 03:46:35 PM
I went to the gun range today and asked to buy some .22lr. They actually had supply. 50 rds for $8.95. I bought two boxes.

What I have found is the gun ranges and small stores are the only place where you have a chance at supply unless you want to stand in line at Academy on Tuesday morning when they unload. I don't!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on April 01, 2013, 11:21:05 AM
I went to the gun range today and asked to buy some .22lr. They actually had supply. 50 rds for $8.95. I bought two boxes.

What I have found is the gun ranges and small stores are the only place where you have a chance at supply unless you want to stand in line at Academy on Tuesday morning when they unload. I don't!

I hope that was match grade or something else special.  It wasn't that long ago Winchester or Federal .22lr was $2.99/50rnd
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on April 01, 2013, 01:19:23 PM
I hope that was match grade or something else special.  It wasn't that long ago Winchester or Federal .22lr was $2.99/50rnd

Sadly, probably not, I have auctioned off bulk packs of federal, 550 rounds for $80+

That's the market right now.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on April 01, 2013, 02:03:02 PM
I hope that was match grade or something else special.  It wasn't that long ago Winchester or Federal .22lr was $2.99/50rnd

Sadly, probably not, I have auctioned off bulk packs of federal, 550 rounds for $80+

That's the market right now.

Yep. Nothing special. I asked just to see if they had any and they did. I am not hurting for .22lr, but want to at least replace what I shoot. Since I shot <20 rounds before figuring out my scope mount was loose (damn it all tho hell!) I am now +80 rounds. Yeehaw! ;-)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on April 01, 2013, 05:24:23 PM
OK team.

It looks like ammo prices are finally starting to break. For weeks,1000 Rounds of .223 Ammo by Federal American Eagle - 55gr FMJ has been $919 on Bulkammo.com. Today, the price dropped to $899. That is my .223 market index for bulkammo.com. Yeah, a 2% drop is not much, but it is something.

Last week, I bought 500 rounds for $389 and felt like I got a deal in the post-Newtown world.

Over at luckygunner.com, they have 1000 rounds for $855.

Frankly, I am going to save up some money and buy some of these:

http://www.luckygunner.com/12ga-3-uranium-drone-load-tacnition-5-rounds

;-)

So, it look like the cost curve is coming down. Hang on a little longer if you can and you could save some bucks.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: sirosisofliver on April 02, 2013, 08:09:43 AM
I purchased some CCI mini mag .22LR at Cabelas for $8.99/100rds.  They only allowed 100rds per customer per day.  Also snagged some Herter's 7.62x39 @ $6.99 box.  My local WalMarts are starting to have Tula 7.62x39 for $5.19/20, and Winchester .40SW Value Packs (100rds) for $36.
        I think things are starting to break free.  Also, when .223 hit those prices, I sold my 2k rounds when offered a nice sum of money.  I used the proceeds to buy a Saiga 5.45x39.  I held back 300rds for my Kel Tec SU16, but its a trunk gun not my MBR.   Comparable accuracy to a 5.56, and the available Russian surplus ammo while mildly corrosive, is available and at $384/2160 rds, its cheaper than .22LR according to what I have seen for sale online! :o

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on April 02, 2013, 09:21:04 AM
...
Frankly, I am going to save up some money and buy some of these:

http://www.luckygunner.com/12ga-3-uranium-drone-load-tacnition-5-rounds

;-)
...
Yep, definitely gotta get me some of those.  I wonder what they smell (http://www.google.com/landing/nose/) like?  ;)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on April 02, 2013, 06:58:36 PM
I purchased some CCI mini mag .22LR at Cabelas for $8.99/100rds. 

Good price. I paid twice that this weekend. What area of the country?
        I think things are starting to break free. 


I am starting to get that feeling myself. First, there was no ammo available at any price, anywhere even on line. Then, you could get ammo, but only if you were prepared to pull the trigger and drop $1 every time you sent 55 grains down range. This persisted, but then you could hunt around and there was some ammo on the shelves. Sure it was 2X what you paid pre-Newtown, but you could get it if you really wanted it. Now, there are more places with ammo on the shelf and the gun ranges and small shops will pull more than 2-3 boxes off for you to buy. Bulkammo.com has backed off their >$900 per 1000 rounds of .223.

I can feel it. But then again, if I could price ammo, I could price the price stock of GE or silver. But I can't so I wait for things to play out.

As it is, I got my shipment of 500 rounds of .223 on the porch today so I am feeling good about the impending zombie apocalypse. YMMV.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on April 02, 2013, 07:26:32 PM
Just Checked my local Walmart and the had five one hundred round boxes of Forty Caliber at 35.77 a box and a couple boxes of 30/06 hunting rounds and a few rounds of bird shot! :'(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on April 03, 2013, 02:38:48 PM
  Gun's Galore had one or two boxes of everything except 9mm. All out of small pistol primers.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: backwoods_engineer on April 04, 2013, 07:30:16 PM
  Gun's Galore had one or two boxes of everything except 9mm. All out of small pistol primers.

I haven't been able to find any for months.  I may have to get out of .223 before it gets any worse.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: rodgers65 on April 04, 2013, 11:35:09 PM
This was the first week I seriously ran http://www.gunbot.net/ in the background while at work.  I set the alarm for 35 cents a round for 9mm and 10 cents for 22lr.  After a lot of close calls but failed attempts, I finally landed 500 rounds of some generic 9mm at 30/round and 500 rounds of Eley Sport at 7/round.  I actually thought that was a great price on the 22. 

I think the trick was being pre-registered on most of the sites ahead of time, ready to pounce.  Seconds count when half the country is trying the same thing.  I've seen 150+ boxes of 500 rounds go in less than three minutes.  It's crazy. 

Today a local gun shop had hundreds of boxes of 223 come in.  $19.99 for a box of 20.  I'm not that hard up... yet.  The funny part was the guys hanging out at the counter there.  They weren't blaming Obama or DHS for the shortage.  No, they were placing the blame squarely on the "damn Preppers" for hoarding it all.  That made me chuckle. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on April 05, 2013, 06:47:24 AM
The funny part was the guys hanging out at the counter there.  They weren't blaming Obama or DHS for the shortage.  No, they were placing the blame squarely on the "damn Preppers" for hoarding it all.  That made me chuckle.

Now there's ignorance for ya. . . .  My so-called hoarding is the reason I haven't had to buy a single box of ammo during this shortage.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Northern-Lights on April 05, 2013, 08:51:05 PM
Now there's ignorance for ya. . . .  My so-called hoarding is the reason I haven't had to buy a single box of ammo during this shortage.

I finally broke down and made a bulk purchase of .308 ammo the other day.  I just wasn't finding it anywhere.  While I agree that things look like they are starting to loosen up just a bit.....I'm still not finding .22 or .308 ammo anywhere.  So, I bit the bullet (so to speak) and jumped on it when I had the chance. 

If nothing else.....because it is FMJ, it will be good practice ammo.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on April 06, 2013, 10:48:16 AM
I went to the Pasadena, TX gun show today. Ammo prices where high, but I did pony up for 2 X 525 rounds of .22LR for $200 and scored 200 rounds of .223 for $130 including tax. I also bought two PMAG's for $25 each (not bad, not great).

The 9 mm prices were outrageous ($1 / round was the lowest I saw). I really need some 9 mm so I can go to the range.

I think I am just about ready for the zombie apocalypse and far past the ammo amount necessary for terrorist designation!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on April 06, 2013, 12:57:06 PM
A quick scan of a few local stores -
   -- there are some 12 ga shotgun shells available - but the choices are very limited and are of the higher end game loads.
  -- Zero 22lr ammo
  -- 7mm mag rifle ammo out the wazoo
  -- some defensive rounds, but little in the way of generic target for 9mm, 40 cal, etc

"Lots" of PMAGs - so I figure that the $100 dollar magazine peak price is gone, but it is common for 2x+ on some normal magazines.

Almost zero brass, primer limit has bumped from 100 to 500 at the large store, 2k limit (but out of stock at others)

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on April 06, 2013, 02:35:51 PM
I was in a small mom and pop store today. They wanted 25 for a box of 30/30s. I can still find them elsewear for 13.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on April 06, 2013, 02:40:00 PM
I was in a small mom and pop store today. They wanted 25 for a box of 30/30s. I can still find them elsewear for 13.

I'm finding in my area that the small gun shops have ridiculous prices for ammo and the big box stores have ammo for reasonable prices.  Firearms are pretty reasonably priced at small gun shops but big box stores aren't.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on April 06, 2013, 03:22:07 PM
I checked ammo shelves recently while on a long drive through the SE USA. I found next to no handgun ammunition at the Macon, GA area Bass Pro. The few boxes on the shelf were for 41 & 44 magnum as well as a couple of boxes of Federal in 38 special. I felt fortunate to find a few boxes of 100 count Winchester handgun primers (large and small).  Shotgun ammunition was plentiful at what I would consider "normal" supply. Bass Pro was holding their prices at pre-shortage prices.

The best overall ammunition supply I found was at The Outpost Armory (near Murfreesboro,TN). Significant supply of rifle calibers, some handgun calibers, plenty of shotgun. Prices were somewhat inflated but not ridiculously so. Frankly, I go there for the sheer experience of the place and not "deals".

Finally got to see the MRAD up close too.   :excited:
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on April 06, 2013, 10:10:39 PM
Now there's ignorance for ya. . . .  My so-called hoarding is the reason I haven't had to buy a single box of ammo during this shortage.

Ditto,  I've got a comfortable level and was thinking of trading ammo for a 10/22.  I need a takedown.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on April 06, 2013, 10:52:38 PM
Ditto,  I've got a comfortable level and was thinking of trading ammo for a 10/22.  I need a takedown.

If you want my opinion, don't trade ammo for gear. Ammo is more scarce than equipment to shoot it. Just my observation. Then again, I have a 10/22 Takedown and ammo to work it, so my bias is showing. Then again, I see takedowns available at reasonable prices while .22lr is either not available or extremely pricey.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on April 07, 2013, 06:24:01 AM
What are your maximum prices on various rounds?   I'm just throwing #'s out there, because I honestly don't know for myself.   Interested where others are calling it "too much".   

Keep in mind I'm mainly interested in target/practice ammo.   I don't mind paying a premium for self defense or "purposed" ammo, but I'm also not throwing that down range regularly...(although I will every now and then, particularly if I want to try a new product out).

These are my main calibers...

.22LR---.05-.07/rd
9mm--------.25/rd
7.62x39----.30/rd
.357 mag---.50/rd

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on April 07, 2013, 08:11:03 AM
What are your maximum prices on various rounds?   

These are my main calibers...

.22LR---.05-.07/rd
9mm--------.25/rd
7.62x39----.30/rd
.357 mag---.50/rd


I guess my "price point" moves in relation to how much ammo I have. If I have sufficient quantities then I am not willing to pay so much. For instance, I now have sufficient .223, but it cost me $0.80 / round and, recently, $0.65 / round to get there. On the flip side, I have insufficient 9 mm. What am I willing to pay to get some range ammo and also some defensive? Higher, much higher. If I see a "deal" what would I pay to pick up some extra stock? These are my two price levels.

So, here are my insufficient/sufficient quantities:
                          Need       Deal
.22LR                $.20/rd    $0.07/rd
9 mm                $0.8 /rd    $0.25 / rd
9 mm defensive  $1 /rd  $0.70/rd
SG 00 low recoil  $1/rd   $0.70/rd
.223                   $0.8     $0.5 /rd
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on April 07, 2013, 08:53:46 AM
...
So, here are my insufficient/sufficient quantities:
                          Need       Deal
.22LR                $.20/rd    $0.07/rd
9 mm                $0.8 /rd    $0.25 / rd
9 mm defensive  $1 /rd  $0.70/rd
SG 00 low recoil  $1/rd   $0.70/rd
.223                   $0.8     $0.5 /rd
Even what you say is a deal today was outlandish 14 months ago.  That's where I can't figure out how to readjust my value system.
Between November 2011 to April 2012 I paid the following:
.22LR $0.0362 ($19/525)
9mm  $0.19 ($165/1000 + $25 S&H (you could buy 2,000 rounds for the same shipping, too, if you wanted to save more))
.223  $0.41 ($189/500 x2 + $25 S&H)

Now it all seems crazy.  Part of me wants to replace what I shoot, but part of me believes things will calm down in the next couple of years and if I just train more with .22LR and less with 9mm, .223 & .308, I'll weather this storm just fine.  So far, the only thing I've paid a premium for is CCI MiniMags because my Ruger Mark II doesn't feed the cheap Remington stuff I have stored very well.  I can get away with running just the last four rounds in every mag with the MiniMags and I'm "only" paying $9/100 for 40% of a magazine and $0.0362 for the other 60%.

It's a strange kind of economics we're resorted to.  I can only hope that in a few years we can look back at this and laugh, while plinking away all day with $0.04 .22LR ammo.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on April 09, 2013, 09:30:30 AM
I doubt we will see any return to normalcy until Obama is done with his 4th term.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on April 09, 2013, 09:32:15 AM
I doubt we will see any return to normalcy until Obama is done with his 4th term.

He's young, how do you know his reign will end with a 4th term?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Virginian on April 09, 2013, 09:56:26 AM
He's young, how do you know his reign will end with a 4th term?

STOP, Your scaring me!!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on April 09, 2013, 10:01:53 AM
http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/ammo-manufacturers-producing-24-hours-a-day/#axzz2Pyyb5Cx2


Quote
So why the shortage? Ammo producers like Hornady say the cause isn’t government orders but a “politically-induced buying panic.” Although producers say they’ve seen buying panics in the past, nothing compares to what we’re experiencing now.

During panics in the past, gun owners bought up all the ammo they could; during the current panic, even people who don’t own guns have been buying ammo for the gun they might buy in the future. At the same time, first-time gun buyers have not only been buying guns but also every bullet for it they can find.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on April 09, 2013, 12:49:45 PM
Copes Distributing has (as of yesterday) 12 ga buckshot for $150/case of 250 rounds, comes out to $0.60 per round. And that's after shipping, if anyone is interested.
(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/85huhwhat/TSP/Rio.jpg)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on April 09, 2013, 01:25:59 PM
Copes Distributing has (as of yesterday) 12 ga buckshot for $150/case of 250 rounds, comes out to $0.60 per round. And that's after shipping, if anyone is interested.
(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/85huhwhat/TSP/Rio.jpg)

Good find. Until recently 12g buck was easier to find. Seems that supply is drying up too.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on April 09, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
MidwayUSA just got Winchester 12ga Military 00 9 pellet Buckshot in stock, pretty much $1 a round: 244.99 for 250rnds.  I think its some badass buckshot and buy it when ever its in stock.  I dont know how anyone would think 12ga ammo is drying up as i could find truck loads of it all over where i live and onine, including bulkammo.com...   
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 09, 2013, 03:14:17 PM
MidwayUSA just got Winchester 12ga Military 00 9 pellet Buckshot in stock, pretty much $1 a round: 244.99 for 250rnds.  I think its some badass buckshot and buy it when ever its in stock.  I dont know how anyone would think 12ga ammo is drying up as i could find truck loads of it all over where i live and onine, including bulkammo.com...   

That's not too bad of a price, plus $25 shipping to me here on the left coast.  I've purchased multiple case-lots of Win Mil 00 from Midway for $194 - $235.  That was pre-craziness, of course.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on April 09, 2013, 04:10:08 PM
So what makes the Winchester 00 worth the extra $100 per case over the Royal? I am genuinely asking and mean no disrespect.

$150 for a case delivered seemed pretty fair to me, ammo-crisis or not. I just like shotguns :)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 09, 2013, 07:43:30 PM
So what makes the Winchester 00 worth the extra $100 per case over the Royal?

Probably not as much as I'd like to think, besides the Grex buffering. 

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRd1D7Njw-e9InbK7II3j-JPwpTVURhDkNdklhG8EkS8TniU0rQVg)

But the OD hulls and dark brass are tacti-cool, right?  ::)


This dude takes them apart, if you want to peek inside:  http://youtu.be/CrJ3_qXxO_M (http://youtu.be/CrJ3_qXxO_M)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on April 09, 2013, 10:03:34 PM
Thanks for the link! It does look tacticool, pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on April 10, 2013, 12:41:24 AM
I just drove from Minnesota to the gulf of Mexico in Texas, and all I can say is holy sh!t. We stopped at every convenient walmrt, cabellas, bass pro shops, and I am pretty sure we hit everyone on I 35 south.

Minnesota has it great. I could have loaded up $500 in rounds and made the trip back and forth all day long selling rounds for 5x. The only thing I found consistently was .45. We saw some of .40, and some shotgun depending on the area. We went to a place called Authority in TX to get a fishing permits. They had 5 handguns for sale and 7 clean open racks.

My 8 year pointed and laughed, at the guy's rack (not knowing how touchy it was), "My dad has more guns then that in his bedroom safe!" So much for op sec.

I asked where they kept the ammunition, and they said up front. My kids asked the nice lady for a picture (not prompted from his super proud dad). "Why do you want you picture with the bullets, sun", she asked?

"Cuz ma'am, we have more boxes than that in 9 meelomeeter."


My wife just about died.

Seriously, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, Lousiana.

I am going to make a run here in a month or so, we found a couple houses in Texas, and I will probably fund the next trip selling to shops along the way. Bass pro said they would buy anything they could get a case of. I think I can get 5x what I am paying here for bulk winchester if I did the math right. I also need to check shotgun, as they need they just to sell guns. People are buying brand new guns because they are promised 100 rounds, and they need them for hunting!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FrugalFannie on April 10, 2013, 04:19:28 AM
Couple weeks back saw primers in stock on the shelvesand that seems to be continuing somewhat. Powder was available in large quantities for a bit but now has trickled down. Bullets (just the bullet) have been very spotty. Some manufactured ammo has been coming in. Everyone has been imposing limits on purchase quantities.

I'm sorry but I have 3 shooters in this house. Limits don't fly.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on April 10, 2013, 06:56:10 AM
I'm sorry its not to your liking but that is no reason but be rude! They kinda clash with my ACU's anyway LOL.
I like them as they are full power, buffered, have nice heavy hulls, and pattern better than the cheaper Royal shot from my custom 870 magnum. Once i get my barrel(s) Vang Comp done maybe the cheaper stuff will shoot better.  Also there is a bit of nostalgia as i remeber getting these a few times i drew ammo in the service and they performed great then as well, even for breaching.

MidwayUSA has service second to none as well so another case on the way as we speak ;)

Probably not as much as I'd like to think, besides the Grex buffering. 

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRd1D7Njw-e9InbK7II3j-JPwpTVURhDkNdklhG8EkS8TniU0rQVg)

But the OD hulls and dark brass are tacti-cool, right?  ::)


This dude takes them apart, if you want to peek inside:  http://youtu.be/CrJ3_qXxO_M (http://youtu.be/CrJ3_qXxO_M)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 10, 2013, 07:47:35 AM
I'm sorry its not to your liking but that is no reason but be rude! They kinda clash with my ACU's anyway LOL.
I like them as they are full power, buffered, have nice heavy hulls, and pattern better than the cheaper Royal shot from my custom 870 magnum. Once i get my barrel(s) Vang Comp done maybe the cheaper stuff will shoot better.  Also there is a bit of nostalgia as i remeber getting these a few times i drew ammo in the service and they performed great then as well, even for breaching.

MidwayUSA has service second to none as well so another case on the way as we speak ;)

Don't get me wrong, I love the stuff.  I've bought over a dozen cases from MidwayUSA over the last 5 years, and I will probably buy more once the craziness is past. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on April 15, 2013, 09:13:47 AM
I just returned from the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot and its huge Gun show!
They quantities of ammo were at the lowest I have ever seen at this event!
Retailers most of the time in years past have multiple pallets and pallets of ammo available for sale at excellent prices! This year The quantities of ammo  I saw were very low as well as the amount of components! Considering this is a free market gun economy I saw one guy selling bricks of 22 at $50.00 and another offering for sale Remington Subsonic 22 for a hundred dollars a brick! The Highest was a Hundred and fifty dollars a brick! The funny part some of the ammo was what appeared to be out of someones closet stash as it was older packaging. Their were a few who still had some reasonable prices on their products and I give them credit for that!  Evil High Capacity Magazines were at fair prices and many on hand and the components were in limited amounts were at fair to the guys smoking crack prices as one friend stated! 
 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on April 15, 2013, 10:16:18 AM
I just returned from the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot and its huge Gun show!
They quantities of ammo were at the lowest I have ever seen at this event!
Retailers most of the time in years past have multiple pallets and pallets of ammo available for sale at excellent prices! This year The quantities of ammo  I saw were very low as well as the amount of components! Considering this is a free market gun economy I saw one guy selling bricks of 22 at $50.00 and another offering for sale Remington Subsonic 22 for a hundred dollars a brick! The Highest was a Hundred and fifty dollars a brick! The funny part some of the ammo was what appeared to be out of someones closet stash as it was older packaging. Their were a few who still had some reasonable prices on their products and I give them credit for that!  Evil High Capacity Magazines were at fair prices and many on hand and the components were in limited amounts were at fair to the guys smoking crack prices as one friend stated!

The guy selling at 50 for a brick is below market. I can buy them for 50 and sell them for 80 all day long. I wouldn't, but I could.

Its a crazy market out there.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bennington1776 on April 15, 2013, 10:31:00 PM
Wonder what the fallout from Boston is going to do. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on April 15, 2013, 11:15:52 PM
Wonder what the fallout from Boston is going to do.

It depends upon who did it, when they find out and whether or not they conveniently find a stash of weapons and "thousands of rounds of ammo" that could be used to connect the AWB and gun control to combatting terrorism.  (EDIT: I forgot to add that reloaders could be really screwed over if they used any popular gunpowders, though I'm not sure if burning smokeless powder would be as effective as an explosive substance.)

It might be a blessing that we didn't get the filibuster, as I'd rather see legislation defeated or the minimum damage done by the end of next week before anything comes out that could help the Dems. This could help pass the UBC regardless of whether the authorities find anything since it's easier to argue for doing a check on every transaction with terrorist about.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on April 16, 2013, 07:19:48 AM
Did you notice how many windows did not break. Also the amount of smoke. That did not look like a high velocity explosion.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on April 16, 2013, 07:29:27 AM
Meanwhile, back to ammo shortages.  ;)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on April 16, 2013, 01:10:40 PM
For you online ammo shoppers:
 Ammo to Go has Centurion .22lr solid points 50pk instock at the moment, .18cents a round (not good but it is what it is).
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/22-long-rifle-solid-point

midwayusa has a pretty nice stock of all things shotgun ammo right now as well
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on April 17, 2013, 06:45:22 AM
MidwayUSA has some .22lr trickeling in in the form of RWS 50 & 500rnd boxes. Still crappy prices at 79.95 for 500.

For you online ammo shoppers:
 Ammo to Go has Centurion .22lr solid points 50pk instock at the moment, .18cents a round (not good but it is what it is).
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/22-long-rifle-solid-point

midwayusa has a pretty nice stock of all things shotgun ammo right now as well
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mgw44 on April 17, 2013, 07:42:10 PM
Still no ammo to speak of in west Michigan
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on April 18, 2013, 09:26:21 AM
Quote
International Cartridge indicated they have a good supply of
9mm and 223, but only in frangible.  However, it is still useable for
training.  223 is $0.65/round.  9mm is $0.45/round.  Call them at  814 938 6820
From an instructor of mine.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on April 18, 2013, 11:16:27 AM
For a few hours yesterday, Aim Surplus had gen2 black 30rnd Pmags for only $12.99.  6K in stock, which sold out before I got a chance.
Also, many major AR manufacturers are showing in stock inventory for at least some of their uppers.

I'm still hurting for small pistol primers, and all the shops tell me some knuckle dragging sits out front all day until the delivery and then buys them up.  Wish quotas were enforced.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Schmidt on April 18, 2013, 09:18:21 PM
Today when I was purchasing my fishing license for the year, a shipment of 223 came in and I picked up 3 20-round boxes for 11$ a piece. Otherwise the shelf's were damn near empty. There were several people lined up to purchase the shipment.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on April 19, 2013, 03:47:54 PM
MagPul mags are in stock at Jensen Arms in Loveland CO.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nkawtg on April 20, 2013, 12:39:00 PM
A new store opened in town and advertised they had truckloads of ammo.
Stood in line for 30 minutes on opening day and they had no .22 anything.
Asked when they would get some more and the owner said: "2014?"
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: UnderTheRadar on April 20, 2013, 11:01:32 PM
Cabelas north of Seattle had ammo cans with 2100 rounds of 22LR for $90 and sealed tins of 500 steel case 223 for $125 in stock this afternoon.

M4 in stock for $800
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: JC2 on April 21, 2013, 12:28:39 AM
I bought the Hornady progressive re-loader and a number of accessories. I had rebates for one lot of 500 bullets and three lots of 100 bullets. I chose 223 for the 500 lot and 45, 9mm, and 10mm for the 100 lots. When i sent in the rebates the lot of 223 bullets was immediately shipped (two days ago) while the other three calibers are all on backorder. I was expecting the opposite.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on April 21, 2013, 08:52:29 AM
I went to Carter's Country yesterday (Katy Freeway in Houston) and and they had some 9 mm, but one box per customer $21 for 50.

They actually had an ad for S&W M&P15 Optics Ready come out earlier this week for $999. I thought no way would they have any stock by Saturday, but they did. They had other, more expensive AR's as well like a Colt ($1150 - ish).

I still have not seen any 22lr or .223 in stores for a longgggggg time. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: kimdvm on April 21, 2013, 02:36:15 PM
We just aren't spending time looking.  There are definitely things we would like to have more of, but I would also like to have more time and money.

I expect this shortage will catch up pretty soon, now that it looks as though Congress isn't going to take any gun control action in the near future.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on April 21, 2013, 10:57:23 PM
Today I let my 9 year old son blast through 1/5 brick of Federal Champion .22lr I grabbed last fall.  Slightly wasteful I suppose,  but ammo will mostly likely return to normal.  Father and son time seemed slightly more important than ammo.

OBTW:  Kidd makes a replacement Ruger 10/22 charging handle that's VERY nice.  It's easier for little hands to get a good grip on.  Bolt cycled perfectly with mid-range spring that was included.

http://www.kiddinnovativedesign.com/Cocking-Assembly_p_51.html (http://www.kiddinnovativedesign.com/Cocking-Assembly_p_51.html)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ericksonrs on April 22, 2013, 12:08:04 AM
Thanks for the replacement charging handle idea!  Bought my son a compact 10/22 and everything is perfect except he has a hard time pulling back the charging handle and locking it back...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BamaPrepper on April 22, 2013, 05:20:00 AM
Ammo is starting to show up a little on the North side of Atlanta.  I saw two different places this weekend that had .22lr, .45ACP, .38 special, and a few other odd ball rifle rounds.  One store had a few .223 and there were plenty of shotgun shells available in both places.  Each store had a limit on 3 boxes of any ammo (excluding shotgun), so I picked up 3 each .22lr for $9.99 each at each store and a couple hundred 12 guage.  Still waiting to see 9mm though....
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on April 22, 2013, 06:39:19 PM
Today I let my 9 year old son blast through 1/5 brick of Federal Champion .22lr I grabbed last fall.  Slightly wasteful I suppose,  but ammo will mostly likely return to normal.  Father and son time seemed slightly more important than ammo.

OBTW:  Kidd makes a replacement Ruger 10/22 charging handle that's VERY nice.  It's easier for little hands to get a good grip on.  Bolt cycled perfectly with mid-range spring that was included.

http://www.kiddinnovativedesign.com/Cocking-Assembly_p_51.html (http://www.kiddinnovativedesign.com/Cocking-Assembly_p_51.html)

Kidd innovative design has good products.

Still bottom of the barrel for shotgun ammo; zero 22lr.

I have seen Walmart stock ammo twice over the last few weeks.  No folks pestering the guy - around 7:30am on Sat. seems to be a restock period.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on April 22, 2013, 06:53:35 PM
Have you stocked up on gun powder?

Quote
In the wake of the deadly bombing attacks in Boston, U.S. Senator Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) announced that he will reintroduce legislation he has proposed in a prior Congress to require that sales of explosive powder be subject to a background check. He will also file the legislation as an amendment to the gun violence prevention bill currently on the Senate floor. . . 

. . . “It is outrageous that anyone, even a known terrorist, can walk into a store in America and buy explosives without any questions asked,” said Senator Lautenberg. “If we are serious about public safety, we must put these common-sense safeguards in place. While the police have not revealed what specific explosive materials were used in Boston, what we do know is that explosive powder is too easy to anonymously purchase across the country.” In the wake of the deadly bombing attacks in Boston, U.S. Senator Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) announced that he will reintroduce legislation he has proposed in a prior Congress to require that sales of explosive powder be subject to a background check. He will also file the legislation as an amendment to the gun violence prevention bill currently on the Senate floor. . .
.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cheryl1 on April 22, 2013, 06:57:29 PM
Of course-although just like ammo, you can never have enough;)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: MississippiJarhead on April 30, 2013, 03:16:57 AM
I just had a MidwayUSA.com order of 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 from late December come off back order. Haven't heard a peep from mid-December .223 back orders. People I know, with more time than I, have been getting a little bit of everything from local Wal-Mart.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on May 01, 2013, 06:29:53 PM
I watch Bulkammo.com and use it as my index for ammo. For the first time in a long time, 1000 rounds of .223 dropped from $899 to $869. This signifies a big price break for me.

Then again, I am not buying .223 above $0.60 because my stock is above my zombie attack minimum and I can go to the range and shot if I want. 

But, I have not seen 9 mm or .22lr budge any. I need some 9 mm because I want to practice with my Glock and Kahr Pm9. I am in good shape on .22lr, but I paid a premium a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: bigjim71 on May 01, 2013, 10:24:21 PM
In my little town I have seen no .22 lr at all. I just broke out another brick of .22 lr's from storage I have marked on them '03, This is the third brick I've used. If they don't become available soon I am going to be hurting.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PorcupineKate on May 02, 2013, 08:07:34 AM
At least 3 of the local shops in NH appear to be getting stock in.  They still have limits on the number of boxes you could buy but I can find just about any caliber I am looking for.  I am happy to see CCI mini Mag returning to stores even if I can only buy 2 boxes at a time.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on May 03, 2013, 01:37:27 PM
Ok so for the last month and a half — the entire city of Pittsburgh and surrounding areas are completely devoid of handgun ammo — as far as I can tell.

I ended up getting 2 boxes of .45 colt from a friend at work who mistakenly bought them for his .45 ACP (before looking at the box right after making his purchase and yelling "DOH!") and that is ALL the handgun ammo I have found in over a month and a half. Rifle ammo is gone too.

I can still find 12 gauge shells of all kinds — except for the home defense rounds (all these damn "deer hunters").

Any word on when I might be able to buy some rounds where I can actually feel like going to target practice instead of HOARDING THEM (in case we are never able to find ammo ever again)?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on May 03, 2013, 02:37:14 PM
Adam,

My buddy got some ammo recently at the Gander Mountain in Moon.   He even scored 750 rounds of .22LR on his last trip!   He shoots .40 S&W and 9mm.   He said the only .223 they had though was the $1/round stuff.

He also reloads, but not sure where he is getting his supplies from for that, although he's said its been slim pickin's.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on May 03, 2013, 02:58:34 PM
Still no ammo or components at local stores. But, I am seeing a bit more show up online. I picked up some 55 gr Zmax bullets from Wideners for about $12/100, even some 65 gr Sierra SP and choice of Hornady or Sierra 110 gr M1 Carbine RNSP bullets at Powder Valley. Big score was 400 ct of the new Nosler 64 gr Bonded SP .224 at Midway for $34/100 which is much cheaper than the Barnes TSX.

Also saw somw Winchester Large Rifle primers at PV a couple of days ago.

At the Olympia Cabela's they were low on popular ammo except shotgun. Lots of 12 ga and .410 slugs and 00 buck for sale. Even had a 50 shell bulk pack of Remington 00 Buck. All at normal prices. What .223 ammo they had was about 100% above pre-rush prices.

Overall a few if the popular components and some ammo starting to appear for longer than an instant.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on May 03, 2013, 03:41:19 PM
I got a jar of IMR TrailBoss from a co-worker who ordered one of every available powder from a particular website.   (don't ask)

Not exactly a tactic I'd choose, but happy to acquire some cast lead plinking fuel.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on May 03, 2013, 05:55:21 PM
I picked up the last 2 pounds of green dot at my local store for just under 40 bucks (tax incl.)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on May 03, 2013, 07:34:13 PM
Team,

I am seeing some downward price migration on bulkammo.com for 9mm right now that I have not seen since the panic of Dec. Hang in there for a couple more weeks and we could see some new lows.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 11 Bravo on May 05, 2013, 10:00:09 PM
I was in the Grandville Cabelas in Michigan lasy week, they are getting supplies in, .223 is typically the Herters (Tula) brand for 20rd/$7..... .22 still hard to find, but they did get some CCI mini mags in. Ammo guy there passed on that the Winchester/American Eagle rep was in and they recently told the feds to shove it, they were producing for the civillian market now......
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on May 06, 2013, 09:00:21 AM
I will say the last time I was at Cabella's (Wheeling, WV) — they had a large supply of .45 ACP but NOTHING ELSE in terms of handgun ammo. I think the selection was .45 ACP / 12 Gauge (and a few other shelves of obscure stuff that most people don't shoot).

I was having an easy time finding 380 rounds because most people shoot 9mm instead, but even the 380 is dried up.

I won't go shooting at all until I know I can re-supply at this point.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on May 06, 2013, 10:39:28 AM
I went to Academy yesterday. The only pistol ammo they had was .45 GAP. Lots of that.

The only rifle ammo was deer hunting stuff. No .17 HMR, .22LR, .223, 5.56.

Really sad seeing all those bare shelves.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Spadalach on May 07, 2013, 09:57:46 AM
The local Walmart has been picked over for months.  All they have for .22 is shot shells.  For larger calibers if they have it, it's probably the most expensive personal defense or premium hunting rounds, not the cheap-to-shoot stuff.  Lots of choices in shotgun ammo though.  I commented to an employee that it looks pretty much the same as always, and she told me that they put out the new stuff in the morning, and it's usually gone in a few hours.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TooMuchGlass on May 07, 2013, 12:57:28 PM
I found some H4831SC for $32 at the local gun shop! I can't believe it, it's been out everywhere for quite some time. I'm with PrepperJim- I'm becoming more hopeful as things that were unattainable become more available again.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: yoshi on May 07, 2013, 01:38:18 PM
9mm is just starting to come in around my neck of the woods (South NJ/Philly). 5.56 has been available for a while and everything else has been okay. .22 is still a bit touch and go.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on May 07, 2013, 05:29:41 PM
I found some H4831SC for $32 at the local gun shop! I can't believe it, it's been out everywhere for quite some time. I'm with PrepperJim- I'm becoming more hopeful as things that were unattainable become more available again.

Yeah. My .223 index (1000 Rounds of .223 Ammo by Federal American Eagle - 55gr FMJ from Bulkammo.com just dropped to $799 after being dropped about a week ago to $850. Of course, it was above $1000 at one point.

I am seeing the price of 9mm drop as well. I have not systematically followed it so my on line index is not very good. I am going to hang out for a little while and plink with my .22 while the prices come down. Then I'll be ready to buy. Besides, I am so busy with work and my garden that I don't have time to go shoot the AR or 9 mm. (Bull crap...I'd go tomorrow if I could!!)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Doc on May 07, 2013, 08:02:30 PM
Wichita KS  gun show had a large supply of everything except 9mm.  Prices were up but there was plenty available.  Some 9mm if you were willing to pay 35.00/50 rd reloaded.  .22 was 75 a brick.  Plenty of .40, .45, and .223 available.  Sort of the end of the big gun show season in Kansas so everyone was bringing out their stash.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on May 07, 2013, 09:33:33 PM
My local police supply store had stocked shelves. 556/223 was 50 cents a round.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on May 07, 2013, 10:39:19 PM
everything seems to be normalizing as current over payed supplies get sold and new stuff comes in at more reasonable prices. Walmart is still hit and miss for anything other than pivari .40 JHP, and odd calibers.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Nate on May 08, 2013, 07:07:58 PM
My LGS had 2 boxes of winchester 333 round boxes for..........$39.99 each!  I think I can hold out a little longer.  Walmart around me is still bare except for shotgun ammo.  The LGS I mentioned above had many boxes of 40SW and lots of 45 caliber stuff, 454, 45acp, 45LC.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on May 08, 2013, 08:21:15 PM
One of my local walmarts has now dropped the three box limit to one box!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BamaPrepper on May 09, 2013, 05:26:50 AM
Yesterday I stumbled accross some ammo at Dick's Sporting Goods on the North side of Atlanta.  .308 win was $24.99/20 rds, Shotgun shells in 12 and 20 guage were $27.99/100 rds, and surprisingly 9mm was $64.99/250 rds.  Any box 50 rds or less was limit 3 on pistol ammo and any box over 100 rds was limit 1 on pistol ammo.  No limit on shotgun and rifle.  They also had some .22 rat shot and a couple 50 rd boxes of .45acp. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cheryl1 on May 09, 2013, 07:10:01 AM
I asked about .22lr at Big R yesterday and they laughed at me:/
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on May 09, 2013, 05:32:25 PM
I asked about .22lr at Big R yesterday and they laughed at me:/

Haha!  I get looks of mixed pity and scorn from the dporting goods clerks when I just cruise by the wmpty shelves just in case some bullets came in. There are a coupke of boxes of ammo that have been on the shelf forever, something like .45-70 and .257 Roberts. I am half tempted to buty them just to clear the shelf!!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: kimdvm on May 09, 2013, 09:09:08 PM
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Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Madhatter on May 09, 2013, 09:19:02 PM
In central Illinois - things seem to be trickling back in.  Scheel's Sporting Goods had 100 rds 556 for $50 with a 1 box limit.  A local farm supply store had 223  25 rds for $27.   Also found some 9mm today $20 for 50rd box with a limit of 6 boxes at a different farm supply store.  No 22lr anywhere.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on May 10, 2013, 09:25:35 PM
On tuesday night I checked one of my local walmarts and they posted new signs limiting you to one box a day!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DDJ on May 14, 2013, 11:02:09 AM
Around my section of N.E. Ohio you can find most, but prices are still up.  9mm and .22LR are the only exception.  There will be 12 feet of shalf space (4 shelve high) for 40S&W with a single spot aon a single shelf 3 boxes wide for 9mm and it is completely empty.  .45ACP is running $40 a box of 50.  I did buy a box of the TUla 45 in steel cases for $20 the other day, but they only had one box not a limit that was all that was on the shelf.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 14, 2013, 11:31:55 AM
everything is still pretty bare around tucson
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scotty2Hotty on May 14, 2013, 11:34:40 PM
I am blessed with the most lovely wife ever! I am deployed right now, when I left we had a fair stock on ammo, 22LR, 9mm and .45... well my wife in her awesomeness picked up a box on 9mm and .45 on her own. I guess the local WalMart got a shipment and she just happened to be there when they were stocking the ammo cage. She informed me that she is going to keep an eye out for more whenever she is out which is very exciting.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Av8er1 on May 15, 2013, 12:18:42 AM
Pretty slim at places here in Northwest Arkansas. Gun Shows still have it but places like Wal-Mart are gone as fast as it comes in. Even .22 is hard to find.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on May 15, 2013, 06:47:03 AM


Yea, same here in WV.   I stopped posting here for awhile because it was always the same report.

Honestly, it pisses me off we can't get 22LR readily.   Damn man, can't go plink pop cans without feeling guilty about it.   

Oh, side note, I was early to Walmart the other day, 6:55AM to be exact.   The employees were gathering around the sports/outdoors cash register for what I assume was a staff meeting.  I walked by and looked behind the counter, looked for unopened boxes to be shelved....nothing.   I politely asked if a truck had come in and got a snide...."we can't tell you anything until 7:00AM!"    Come on, really?!   

The kid was with me so I simply said in "that" voice...."7AM, got it, THANKS!"...and walked away.   I could overhear the same lady complaining that was the worst place to have the team meeting, blah blah blah.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on May 16, 2013, 07:11:59 AM
cabelas has .22lr in stock.  Winchester 1000rnd(50$)and Remington 500rnd(23$). 1 per person per day.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on May 16, 2013, 07:51:03 AM
Went to a semi-local gun shop this past weekend. Basically a small shop. They had more ammunition on the shelf in a variety of calibers than I have seen since November 2012.

While one could not pick and choose which brand and type of ammunition in which caliber, they did have most popular pistol and rifle calibers in stock.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on May 16, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
cabelas has .22lr in stock.  Winchester 1000rnd(50$)and Remington 500rnd(23$). 1 per person per day.

Placed 2 orders less than 5min apart and 1 went through and 1 got backordered!  Damn you .22lr!  LOL

Appleseed here i come, finally! 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nkawtg on May 16, 2013, 02:50:03 PM
Sure would like to know the link to the item, can't find .22 anywhere at Cabela's
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on May 17, 2013, 10:31:57 AM
While I haven't been at the range as much as I'd like recently (due more to family logistics than ammo), I have not seen people shooting .22 like usual.
My theory is, a bunch of clowns are buying it and sitting on it for reasons I'm not sure of.  That means there'll be a fulcrum point, where it doesn't make sense for them to continue stockpiling.

I too am a little protective of the ammo, but I had 6 bricks of federal champion last Christmas.  Now have about 4.5 remaining.  I'll keep shooting until I'm down to maybe 2 bricks, but I don't blast away either.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on May 17, 2013, 12:31:09 PM
Sorry brother but they sold out in literally 5 min @ like 9am.  I placed 2 orders 5min apart and 1500 orders apart based on the order numbers. One is shipped and the other backordered. I run gunbot.net  w/ configured alerts 24hrs a day.

A heads up, my backorder says it will be in stock on Friday the 24th.
That's for 1000rnd Winchester and 500rnd Remington bricks so maybe you can catch some then.  First .22lr Ive been able to purchase since last year :) and the prices are still "normal" at Cabela's.

Sure would like to know the link to the item, can't find .22 anywhere at Cabela's
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on May 17, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
One of my local stores was well stocked, except .22lr. Plenty of 5.56 and 9mm.  Cost was about .80 for m855 a bit less for the 9mm ball.  What they didnt have was powder.  I got the last 8lb tub of green dot so we can shoot skeet this summer.  That cost 70 bucks.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWBowhunter on May 17, 2013, 01:31:19 PM
Checked SportCo yesterday no .22lr, .380, 9mm, .357 did have 40sw and 45. They had most rifle calibers and lots of 12ga
 They had no pistol dies.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: endurance on May 17, 2013, 02:29:00 PM
Interesting piece for NPR:  http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/05/17/184502784/why-is-there-an-ammunition-shortage-in-the-u-s?sc=tw (http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/05/17/184502784/why-is-there-an-ammunition-shortage-in-the-u-s?sc=tw)

Quote
Sales of guns and ammunition rose after President Obama took office in 2008, and they went through the roof starting late last year, when a school shooting led to a push for new gun control measures. That's led to a prolonged ammunition shortage, even with manufacturers running at full capacity.

...

An economics textbook would say this shouldn't happen. It would say that Bob Viden, who has run the shop for almost 50 years, should respond to the increase in demand by raising prices. And some stores and online sellers have done just that. But, Viden told me, "We don't want to do that. We want to be fair."
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on May 20, 2013, 06:58:01 PM
It has gotten tight here in MN recently. We took a trip to texas over Easter. l could not believe how low the other states have it. I could have easily funded my trip by stocking up and selling along the way. I stocked up at regular pricing to above what was my old comfortable thresh hold. I can get .17 and .45 all day long, and any shotgun ammo I want. My AK47 is well fed, and prepared. I have lots of 9mm, both plinking and defensive rounds.

I do find myself shooting more shotgun and .380 this year, as it was the thew only thing that NEVER went away.

I am looking at a few guns in .45 as I can get this ammo anywhere.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Mexican_Hippie on May 21, 2013, 06:56:05 AM
Went to Cabelas Fort Worth last night.  It didn't have a ton of ammo, but there was plenty of 223, 308 and 7.62x39 steel case ammo in 20 round boxes.  They must have received a shipment.

The only rifle ammo you could buy in bulk was 30-06.  They had a fair amount of 30-06 cases.

Primers and powder were still scarce.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 21, 2013, 04:49:12 PM
went into sportsmans, tons of scary black rifles on the shelf, not that many pistols (although more than last time). almost no (common caliber) ammo, only a couple boxes or primers and no powder.

so if you'd like an expensive black club...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Mexican_Hippie on May 21, 2013, 05:07:26 PM
went into sportsmans, tons of scary black rifles on the shelf, not that many pistols (although more than last time). almost no (common caliber) ammo, only a couple boxes or primers and no powder.

so if you'd like an expensive black club...

You never know when you may need one...

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=43286
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 21, 2013, 06:11:49 PM
didn't see that post, pretty crazy.

i forgot to mention that there were stands full of promag 30 rounders for AR and AK platforms, no pmags to be found though.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TooMuchGlass on May 21, 2013, 06:23:21 PM
Walked into the only local store who keeps ammo on the shelf because they change prices to adjust to the market. 9mm was $30 a box of 50 for vanilla Remington. That's too damn steep for me. Problem is I have my CCW class coming up!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Mastoo on May 21, 2013, 06:34:46 PM
Picked up a case of .22LR yesterday.  I'd rather have won the $600M lottery, but this is a close second.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: alan123 on May 21, 2013, 07:08:04 PM
My brother is a manager at Walmart and everyday at 7 am the same cast of characters comes in and buys what ammo they got in the night before. They are reselling it. This has been going on for months. Walmart doesn't jack up their prices because of the shortage. They did start to limit the number of boxes per day though.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 21, 2013, 08:00:40 PM
My brother is a manager at Walmart and everyday at 7 am the same cast of characters comes in and buys what ammo they got in the night before. They are reselling it. This has been going on for months. Walmart doesn't jack up their prices because of the shortage. They did start to limit the number of boxes per day though.

that's been going on at my local walmarts for months. i think there's been a one box limit since january.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mortgageboss on May 21, 2013, 08:14:41 PM
In my market (Boise, ID), the sportsman's warehouse has been pretty good on its prices.  You just have to catch them with ammo in stock.  I stopped by last week and was able to get most everything I wanted in limited quantity. 

We had a gun show this weekend, and there was ammo but stupid prices.  .22 lr for .10/rd and the .223 for 1.10 rd.  At least the ARs and standard capacity magazines were numerous and not too badly priced.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Mexican_Hippie on May 22, 2013, 02:39:52 PM
FYI, AIM Surplus has PMAGS in stock, no limit as of 3:30 Central on 5-22-2013

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=MMAG571BLK

I know its not ammo, but they've been scare as well.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on May 23, 2013, 01:52:10 PM
Went to Cabelas Fort Worth last night.  It didn't have a ton of ammo, but there was plenty of 223, 308 and 7.62x39 steel case ammo in 20 round boxes.  They must have received a shipment.

The only rifle ammo you could buy in bulk was 30-06.  They had a fair amount of 30-06 cases.

Primers and powder were still scarce.

I have not seen a primer for ale at a store since December.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Kilroy on May 25, 2013, 09:17:40 AM
Just traveled across Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois and Wisconsin, stopping in at Scheels, Cabelas and WalMart whenever I found them.

Ammo is still in short supply, esp. the most popular handgun calibers and .22 rimfire.  From bare shelves to occasional lots of foreign made handgun ammo, shelves for pistol ammo were remarkably bare.  Common rifle calibers, except for .223, were more readily available.

Watch local stores for supplies.  Some may keep a list of who wants what in the ammunition department.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on May 26, 2013, 05:49:06 PM
Not much pickings for cheap shotgun ammo to break in a shotgun / or just have fun with clay targets.  Now if I was looking for steel loads(2.5x the cost) for game birds I could buy as much as I wanted.

However, I was only able to find just one style box of "cheap" 10.xx a box 6 shot pheasant loads.

 

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on May 28, 2013, 02:36:29 PM
Checked a NE Ohio Walmart I have not been to before and they had zero handgun Calibers and a few rifle hunting loads and some bird shot!
Checked the Dunams store and they had zero hand gun calibers and zero .22 and some bird shot!
Noticed several classes that I signed up for have been cancelled due to lack of AMMO!

I cant even find Jacketed bullets or primers to load my own right now!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on May 29, 2013, 10:01:47 AM
Just traveled across Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois and Wisconsin, stopping in at Scheels, Cabelas and WalMart whenever I found them.

Ammo is still in short supply, esp. the most popular handgun calibers and .22 rimfire.  From bare shelves to occasional lots of foreign made handgun ammo, shelves for pistol ammo were remarkably bare.  Common rifle calibers, except for .223, were more readily available.

Watch local stores for supplies.  Some may keep a list of who wants what in the ammunition department.

Next time hit the Fleet Farms and Gander Mtn Gun Worlds.

I think up here in MN it is actually getting worse. Ammo on the Western side of WI is all but gone. But, Armslist has a few guys selling ammo at about what it was going for in December.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on May 29, 2013, 02:58:20 PM
Yesterday at Big-5 I'm pretty sure I smelled some .40S&W, but I couldn't find it. I guess it might have been the taco bell next door. Hard to tell sometimes.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 30, 2013, 04:56:01 PM
just walked through the local wally world and aside from obscure hunting calibers the shelves were bare. a couple boxes of 20g were around, but no 12g.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on May 30, 2013, 05:32:52 PM

Everywhere you read, listen online....all says "Its gonna get better"   "Give it some time"   "Summertime"  blah blah blah

I'm tired of waiting honestly.  I'm not conspiracy minded person normally, but man what the hell gives.   We are 5 months removed from Sandyhook, same posts day after day. 

But I did hear something about .22LR at the gun store last Friday.   They owner there was talking about how labor intinsive making .22LR is and that the process is far less automated that one would think.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 4bull on May 30, 2013, 08:44:53 PM
Alright , if Winchester is producing 4 million rounds of .22 a day and CCI is at 3.5 million , Remington is around 3 million . The most I have seen is 6 bricks come in to a gun shop.
Where the hell is it ?
I smell a BIG RAT.
I buy a case a year for my girls to shoot . Not this year.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on May 30, 2013, 11:45:48 PM
Alright , if Winchester is producing 4 million rounds of .22 a day and CCI is at 3.5 million , Remington is around 3 million . The most I have seen is 6 bricks come in to a gun shop.
Where the hell is it ?
I smell a BIG RAT.
I buy a case a year for my girls to shoot . Not this year.

I don't mean to belittle your frustration, but those numbers average out to about 200 thousand fifty round boxes a day, while there are perhaps tens of millions of .22 rifles and pistols out there.  Now that everyone seems to think (rightfully in my mind) that they ought to have at  least a couple years supply on hand (wheras a couple months back only a small portion of shooters thought that way, at least about the .22LR), and it's no surprise to me that people continue to buy up ammo as fast as it becomes available.

I realized about the time that Sandy Hook happened that I only had just under a brick of American Eagle .22LR and a couple hundred rounds of mixed .22LR, Shorts and CBs, plus two or three boxes of .22Mag. I've upped that to about 10-11 000 rounds in the upcoming months and will never again let it fall much below that number. In Canada, that didn't cost me more than it normally would have to acquire, and except for one brand that came in sometime in February or March I could very well have bought it all at once. If on the other hand we had a panic just like the US and everyone tried to do the same simultaneously, we'd have been in the exact same boat.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on May 31, 2013, 04:28:47 AM
I recieved an email notification at 9:01 last night from Natchez that the 9mm i've been waiting for is in stock
 I quickly grabbed my c.c, heart racing and all and started clicking away.  Mind you, this was at 9:36 when I checked my email on my phone. 

I was so sure this time would be fruitful but to no avail.  "Sorry, product unavailable at this time"....   motherfu....!

Same thing happened a few weeks ago!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 31, 2013, 08:18:51 AM
I recieved an email notification at 9:01 last night from Natchez that the 9mm i've been waiting for is in stock
 I quickly grabbed my c.c, heart racing and all and started clicking away.  Mind you, this was at 9:36 when I checked my email on my phone. 

I was so sure this time would be fruitful but to no avail.  "Sorry, product unavailable at this time"....   motherfu....!

Same thing happened a few weeks ago!

yeah, i've resigned myself to no shooting for a while until i can pick up ammo off the store shelves. there are plenty of others things i can do, although i don't like to do them as much. :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on May 31, 2013, 03:30:41 PM
  OK boys and girls. Lets get on the right track. How easy is it to make primers, and powder for shooting use? No bombs. If we have to make our own,  lets stop and think. Whats the safest way?  How do we make a good product. Something we can use at the range. Do I have to replace the primer with a glow plug? The firing pin with a contact. Remington did it, so can we. At least for our bolt actions.
   Or just hang in there until elections. We have a great system, we just have to use it. I'm still seeing some ammo at Gun's Galore. 9mm, 40 and 45. Even 223. Not much 22rf.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on May 31, 2013, 03:49:56 PM
Okay, I have cleaned up this thread a bit.

Stay on topic, which is 'Ammo shortages.'
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ttubravesrock on May 31, 2013, 09:03:55 PM
http://www.newsminer.com/news/local_news/fairbanks-sees-ammunition-shortage/article_736dd8ae-c5d9-11e2-ad8a-001a4bcf6878.html
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 03, 2013, 10:45:54 AM
I almost ordered 2000 pistol primers for $120 (hazmat, shipping, etc. included), but then hesitated.  It shakes out to a 50% mark up over retail and it just annoyed me to pay that.
If there wasn't a 2 box limit, I might have "gone big" and leveraged the fixed hazmat fee.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on June 04, 2013, 08:02:45 AM
Unable to find .22, .40, .45 or 9mm in Walmart of MO small town. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 04, 2013, 09:21:06 AM
Unable to find .22, .40, .45 or 9mm in Walmart of MO small town. 

my wally world had nothing but to boxes of 380, i got one for my wife's pistol.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on June 05, 2013, 08:27:06 AM
I scored 3 boxes of 22LR....CCI AR Tactical at walmart this morning.   I saw one case, she opened in front of the line at the counter.   10 boxes of 375 rnds each...3750 rnds total.   All gone in 5 min.


Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on June 05, 2013, 09:13:39 AM
I almost ordered 2000 pistol primers for $120 (hazmat, shipping, etc. included), but then hesitated.  It shakes out to a 50% mark up over retail and it just annoyed me to pay that.
If there wasn't a 2 box limit, I might have "gone big" and leveraged the fixed hazmat fee.

I agree, with the hazmat charge, non-bulk orders are not worth it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: fnfalguy on June 05, 2013, 09:58:06 AM
Was able to find 3 boxes of estate 00 buck at the Walmart locally this AM.  Tons of 260 Remington available though  ;)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on June 05, 2013, 10:52:12 AM
.223/5.56 is sitting on shelves here in CA. Granted, it's priced at $0.50-$0.75 per round, but it is nice to see it there.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 05, 2013, 09:46:35 PM
.223/5.56 is sitting on shelves here in CA. Granted, it's priced at $0.50-$0.75 per round, but it is nice to see it there.

Ditto in the greater Seattle area.  went into Coastal Farm and Ranch Supply after work.  Aside from shotshells, they had American Eagle .375mag ($31/50 rnd box), American Eagle .223 100 rnd pack for $49.00.  Think the only other pistol caliber was .45ACP.

There ammo is typically over priced, but I guess it's encouraging they had a couple things I use.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on June 06, 2013, 09:35:38 AM
  I went into Guns Galore yesterday. They were finely out of 9mm. Still had some 44Mag, 25 ACP, 357 Mag, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, 223, 308 and the oddball cal. Small pistol primers were $8/100. If you have money you can still buy some ammo. There were only 4 or 5 cars parked in front.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FrugalFannie on June 08, 2013, 08:16:33 PM
stuff seems to be coming back into stock. I actually got a call from a company I placed an order with online a couple of months back. The order had cancelled when they couldn't fulfill it. Couple days ago they got the item back in stock and called through those whose orders didn't get filled. I got some bullets for reloading for 223
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 09, 2013, 07:10:25 AM
i was in a big 5 the other day a city over from mine. they had quite a bit of 308 and 223 on the shelves, not pistol calibers though, or 22.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on June 09, 2013, 10:21:45 AM
We're slowly getting ammo to trickle in. Our store consistently has one of the best selections around, considering our size. We are a preffered retailer for our vendors, so we get first dibs on a lot of product. That said, almost no good HV .22 ammo, and very little 9mm coming in. Doing okay on most others, but our prices are still up a bit. We're lowering them a little bit with each big shipment. 9mm and .22 are still at a premium though. Our 5.56 is down to 12.99 for X-Tac, and that seems to be some of the cheaper prices around judging by peoples reactions.

Even with ammo trickling in, I don't expect anything like "normal" at least through the end of the year.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BamaPrepper on June 10, 2013, 08:13:07 AM
I picked up some .45 ACP this past weekend at my local big box store for $0.50 a round....PMC with a limit of 3 boxes, but they had plenty of it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 10, 2013, 08:53:19 AM
Unless you're competing or hunting big game,  $0.50/round is only reasonable if you have nothing else.

I easily go through 200-300 pistol rounds each month.  Sometimes that's done in one range visit.  No way I'd do it if it cost up to $150 each time.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on June 10, 2013, 07:22:12 PM
Act fast if you want some 9mm re-manufactured.

http://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-115-gr-RN-p/fm9r115r-b0500.htm
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 10, 2013, 07:58:22 PM
Act fast if you want some 9mm re-manufactured.

http://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-115-gr-RN-p/fm9r115r-b0500.htm

ouch, i remember buying a case of factory 9mm for that price
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on June 11, 2013, 06:11:30 AM
Haha I know,  at least you don't need to go through a middle man to mark it up, they do it for you at the factory!

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on June 11, 2013, 06:48:50 AM


I go to wal-mart early in the morning.   I always have, not just b/c of the ammo thing.   I do always walk by the sporting goods counter to just see what is there.

The checkout lady this morning asked ME if any ammo came in this morning!    LOL, I guess at least a few know me by now shouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Call on June 11, 2013, 04:18:38 PM
Still no shortages at my local Southern Ontario (Hamilton) gun store. Full selection of .22 bricks, 5.56/.223, 7.62 (both 54 and 39) and pistol ammo. Still waiting for shortages to creep up because of the situation down south but it hasn't happened yet...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on June 11, 2013, 04:41:05 PM
Still no shortages at my local Southern Ontario (Hamilton) gun store. Full selection of .22 bricks, 5.56/.223, 7.62 (both 54 and 39) and pistol ammo. Still waiting for shortages to creep up because of the situation down south but it hasn't happened yet...

For the most part I can vouch for Call's assessment, though a friend of mine just made a bulk purchase of about 10 000 rounds of 9mm with a couple other shooting buddies, saying that he's been seeing 9mm drying up around here. I had to pass on it, but at least it looks as though we've still got options currently unavailable to the south of us.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on June 11, 2013, 08:43:05 PM
Any one finding ammo in SE Wisconsin?

looking for 40 S&W
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on June 12, 2013, 06:40:38 AM


Dick's Sporting Goods in my town had a varity of handgun calibers...32ACP, 9mm, 40S&W, 45ACP...ball and defensive.   Shelves weren't full, but still it was there.

.223 as well, $9 a box of 20 I believe.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 12, 2013, 11:49:20 AM
To summarize what I've read in the past week or so on this thread:

1) many mainstream cartridges can be found at local retail levels at increased prices (20-50% more)
2) less common rounds remain in decent supply
3) some popular cartridges like .22lr are like hens teeth.  A handful of private sellers or local shops are selling at astromical rates.


What to do?

My local ranch supply store had .223 in a few different packages, but at $0.49/rnd I passed. 
Is this the new normal?
Will prices ever return to those from a year ago?
Will they decrease a bit?

Maybe I should start buying because I physically can.  In the future I'd rather have 1000 rounds I paid too much for than 0.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 12, 2013, 01:01:52 PM
Maybe I should start buying because I physically can.  In the future I'd rather have 1000 rounds I paid too much for than 0.

And bingo was his name-o . . .  Obviously if you have a good stock of ammo already, then it may be smarter to do a wait and see.  If you don't, then you better look at re-doing your budget and allowing for some ammo purchases.

This situation really puts a new perspective on past threads that asked "how much ammo should I stock up on".  I'm glad my gutt told me that there is no such thing as too much (and I still wish I had more). 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Call on June 12, 2013, 02:39:17 PM
Maybe I should start buying because I physically can.  In the future I'd rather have 1000 rounds I paid too much for than 0.

If you needed it, what would you be willing to pay for it right at that moment to get it? If the answer is "anything", then any other price is still cheaper.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 12, 2013, 03:33:12 PM
If you needed it, what would you be willing to pay for it right at that moment to get it? If the answer is "anything", then any other price is still cheaper.

totally agree, however i have some in my safe so i won't pay these prices until i know that's where they're staying. i've relegated myself to dry fire practice and my pellet gun since i can do those in my home and it's free/cheap.

if i didn't have any ammo then i would be paying the prices today to get some. while i don't have as much as i want (you can never have enough) i have enough for right now.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 12, 2013, 04:04:02 PM
It's foolish to abstain from practice if you are have hundreds of rounds stashed.  Better to be up to speed with only a few magazines loaded up, then get rusty while a case of ammo collects dust.

At least that's my rationale when going to the range lately  :-[
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 12, 2013, 04:08:33 PM
It's foolish to abstain from practice if you are have hundreds of rounds stashed.  Better to be up to speed with only a few magazines loaded up, then get rusty while a case of ammo collects dust.

At least that's my rationale when going to the range lately  :-[

Whatever makes you feel better  ;D
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 12, 2013, 05:58:47 PM
i figure this is a good time to work on muscle memory. i read an interview with JJ Ricaza where he said he was lucky if he got to the range once a week due to logistics. he said most of his practice was dry firing at home.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: iam4liberty on June 12, 2013, 08:28:57 PM
Added 325 rounds Federal AutoMatch .22LR to an order from Midway USA 3 days ago (1 box limit per order).  Arrived today.  $14.95.   :clap:
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LdMorgan on June 13, 2013, 08:20:13 AM
An update on Hornady...

Three months ago Hornady acknowledged receipt of my order for 500 .308 bullets.

This was a rebate from buying a Hornady reloading press. What they call a "redemption" order.

After three weeks of waiting with no delivery, I gave them a call. I was told all about the high demand and how they're doing all they can and producing all they can (yadda. yadda) and that it would be another 3-6 weeks before they could ship my order.

Ooooo-kay....

Today (nine weeks later) I called them again. Now the shipping delay will be 4-8 weeks.

That's estimated and definitely not guaranteed. The assured me it was not guaranteed. In fact, I would go so far as to say they guaranteed that the delivery date was not guaranteed.

Danielle, the secretary I spoke with, was very polite, and explained to me in great detail that they have added presses and people and they're running 24/7 and they're producing more and have more orders--yadda, yadda.

I guess I was doing okay until--I swear to God!--she told me that redemption orders are given first priority.

What a crock.

If redemption order were given first priority, mine would have been shipped the same day or the same week at the absolute latest.

What they're doing is cheerfully serving their large volume/cash customers first and scheduling their "redemptions" dead last.

I feel so unredeemed.








Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 13, 2013, 09:19:45 AM
What they're doing is cheerfully serving their large volume/cash customers first and scheduling their "redemptions" dead last.

I feel so unredeemed.

They already have your money.  If in their shoes wouldn't you build to sustain future revenue?  That said, they should be trying to find a happy medium between keeping old customers happy (so they come back) and bringing in new revenue.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LdMorgan on June 14, 2013, 06:46:30 PM
Here's the end of my update...and some interesting information.

After posting about my problem with Hornady, I jumped on their website, hit the Customer Service link and sent them a very specific letter of complaint.

I kept it civilized, but I peeled some serious hide at the same time.

This morning I got a reply that was very interesting.

It was not well written. It read like the writer was under tremendous pressure. It rambled and was kind of hard to follow. But here's what I got out of it:

Hornady would ship my order if they could, but can't because they have no .30 bullets in production and no .30 bullets in their inventory. They intended to add machines for .30 production over a month ago, but it didn't happen. They couldn't start producing .30 just for me (and others like me) because they would have to stop a dedicated machine, tear it down and retool it for .30--and that would simply take too long.

My take on the above is that Hornady has every machine running 24/7 to make a different caliber: my guess being .223,  or perhaps that and a small spectrum of other military rounds.

Their reply ended with the assurance that they would try to do something about my problem before the end of the day.

At about 6PM today I checked my email, and found a message saying that Hornady had shipped my order.

I think that if they actually have zero .30 inventory, as they claimed, they must have had someone break into their own personal stock and contribute 500 rounds to good customer relations. Or perhaps they sent someone out to buy some retail.

But in the final analysis, they shipped the same day they decided to solve the problem. 

I think the squeaky wheel got greased because it got pretty squeaky, and some seriously bad press might have resulted if the squeaking had gone viral.

Meanwhile, MidwayUSA has some Hornady .224, and apparently not a single .30. of any brand.



 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 14, 2013, 07:06:28 PM
At about 6PM today I checked my email, and found a message saying that Hornady had shipped my order.

Well their you go then, congrats.  I wouldn't read too much in to it.  Grease or not, they took care of you under inarguable stressful times.  I'm betting somebody recognized their failure and stepped out of the box to complete your order.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Crazy Fox on June 15, 2013, 04:51:13 PM
Plenty of ammo here in CO at OD Green Supply. I saw all the exotic calibers but even the popular calibers were available in good quantity. Prices were normal for these days ($40 for a box of .45 ACP), but I think I'll hold off for now.

Absolutely no .22 LR though :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: CharlesH on June 15, 2013, 06:09:51 PM
Out of curiosity I looked in the gun aisle of our SW Michigan Meijers today.  All they had was some 12 gauge and 30-06.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on June 16, 2013, 05:37:46 AM
My walmart had no handgun calibers or 22 or 5.56 223 or 7.62/39 and have absolutely no answers when the managar was aked how much the company has ordered last night!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on June 16, 2013, 11:34:18 AM
I got lucky and grabbed a 500 round brick af 22LR last night from sportsmanswarehouse.com for $22, less than $30 after shipping. Only the second time I've bought any 22LR this year, since I'm not willing to pay the inflated prices. Also kinda nice since I loaned a bunch of my 22LR stock to buddies to keep them shooting and I'm at the absolute minimum that I find acceptable right now, so I wasn't shooting it. 

Sometimes it pays to stay up late chatting in the TSP chat room while watching for ammo online.

(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/85huhwhat/TSP/1190238_1.jpg) (http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/85huhwhat/media/TSP/1190238_1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 16, 2013, 06:45:27 PM
I got lucky and grabbed a 500 round brick af 22LR last night from sportsmanswarehouse.com for $22, less than $30 after shipping. Only the second time I've bought any 22LR this year, since I'm not willing to pay the inflated prices. Also kinda nice since I loaned a bunch of my 22LR stock to buddies to keep them shooting and I'm at the absolute minimum that I find acceptable right now, so I wasn't shooting it. 

Sometimes it pays to stay up late chatting in the TSP chat room while watching for ammo online.

I hate that we may now have to call this ($30) normal pricing and have to buy it online to find it.  I used to be able to walk in to multiple stores on a whim and find that box of ammo sitting on the shelf for $17-18 all day long and under $15 on sale. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on June 16, 2013, 11:08:10 PM
I hate that we may now have to call this ($30) normal pricing and have to buy it online to find it.  I used to be able to walk in to multiple stores on a whim and find that box of ammo sitting on the shelf for $17-18 all day long and under $15 on sale.

Yeah I completely agree. It was sold out within a couple minutes. I just don't feed the scalpers and keep waiting for this to all get better.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on June 19, 2013, 12:25:45 PM
Does ANYONE know where someone can find 380 ACP ANYWHERE? Online, bulk, Wally World, anywhere?

I have no idea where to find it anymore and since my daily carry gun is 380 I refuse to even shoot up the target rounds I currently have unless I know they can be restocked at some point.

It seems like I may never be able to find ammo for this gun ever again.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on June 19, 2013, 12:28:31 PM
The ONLY source I MIGHT be able to find is a "Basement FFL" guy I used once to do a FFL for a revolver I bought. He had some stacks of it he was selling for $18/box and I bought a few because he had to sit on the phone forever with the over-crowded call-in line for background checks as a "thank you" for getting it done that day, but still cringed at the price.

At this point even $100/box would suck, but at least it would be nice to know the ammo still EXISTS somewhere!

_______

WOAH! Cheaper Than Dirt has some (first time I've seen it in supply there) but WOW they want almost $40 / box. EXACT same American Eagle rounds that the FFL guy was selling me for $18/box back in January.

Yeah, I can't WAIT until this happens with FOOD.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Crazy Fox on June 19, 2013, 12:32:45 PM
Any gun shows coming up in your area Adam B.?

I saw plenty at one in CO last month, although prices were not stellar.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on June 19, 2013, 12:34:28 PM
^^^^^^ I had to modify my post after seeing it on "Cheaper than Dirt"

However if THAT is cheaper than DIRT — I am expecting to find gold nuggets in my dirt.

I gotta find this FFL guy's business card and see if he still has any I suppose. I'll have to buy him out if he is still at $18/box LMFAO (ridiculous).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on June 19, 2013, 12:36:50 PM
Pretty soon you will be able to TRADE a bullet for more meat than you would be able to get by using the same bullet to shoot a MOOSE.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 19, 2013, 12:54:14 PM
Pretty soon you will be able to TRADE a bullet for more meat than you would be able to get by using the same bullet to shoot a MOOSE.

You've probably seen past threads where folks were asking "how much ammo is enough"?  The current environment is a good example of why I've always said "there is no such thing as owning too much ammo" and "buy any and all common calibers, even if you don't own a gun that shoots them". . . .  Ammo can be a great barter item, even if we never see a SHTF.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on June 19, 2013, 02:17:09 PM
Does ANYONE know where someone can find 380 ACP ANYWHERE? Online, bulk, Wally World, anywhere?

I have no idea where to find it anymore and since my daily carry gun is 380 I refuse to even shoot up the target rounds I currently have unless I know they can be restocked at some point.

It seems like I may never be able to find ammo for this gun ever again.

http://gunbot.net/ammo/380auto/ (http://gunbot.net/ammo/380auto/)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Pistol-Ammunition/BI.aspx?ca=5000111 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Pistol-Ammunition/BI.aspx?ca=5000111)

Ammo is out there, you just have to be willing to pay for it. The cheap stuff does come up on gunbot but goes very very quickly. The ammo that's ridiculously priced stays available. Ammo is being sold on gunbroker all the time but it's also at premium cost due to the nature of an auction. Good luck, and I suggest you don't overdo it. Prices will come down eventually.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 19, 2013, 03:39:26 PM
Prices will come down eventually.

Will they?  My Magic 8-Ball must be broke, it keeps telling me "Reply Hazy Try Again" or "Outlook Not So Good".
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 19, 2013, 03:45:08 PM
Each day I think about it, the $45 100pack of .223 seems like a better deal.

BTW: Natchez had Tula small pistol primers $19/1000 - said limit 10, so I added 10 to my cart, but the shopping cart page only allowed 1.  Totally would've eaten the hazmat for qty 10.  I should email them and ask what's up...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 19, 2013, 03:52:09 PM
Each day I think about it, the $45 100pack of .223 seems like a better deal.

I never buy milsurp, I only buy ammo with brass casings, and never pay shipping charges. . .  and I've had a rule for some time now that if I found 1000 rounds for $300 I had to buy at least 1000 rounds.  I suppose your $45/100 is only $15 more, but that's $150 more per 1000. . . .  Damn that broken Magic 8-Ball.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on June 19, 2013, 03:53:03 PM
Will they?  My Magic 8-Ball must be broke, it keeps telling me "Reply Hazy Try Again" or "Outlook Not So Good".
Meh, I can't write "IMHO" on everything I write.
I hope I'm right. That being said, I'm not at the range blowing through my whole stash either. I'm not that optimistic, especially living in California, where anything can happen in the CA.gov.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 19, 2013, 03:55:24 PM
Meh, I can't write "IMHO" on everything I write.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 19, 2013, 04:40:27 PM
I never buy milsurp, I only buy ammo with brass casings, and never pay shipping charges. . .  and I've had a rule for some time now that if I found 1000 rounds for $300 I had to buy at least 1000 rounds.  I suppose your $45/100 is only $15 more, but that's $150 more per 1000. . . .  Damn that broken Magic 8-Ball.

That stuff wasn't steel, it was brass boxer primed American Eagle like Walmart used to stock.

As a handloader, I hate milsurp too.  Now that I've got my AR running, I'm going through some old "blasting" ammo that's at least a decade old, a lot was LC and other milsurp 5.56. 
I've had very mixed results removing the primers and crimps.  Some came off easy with the Lee Universal Decapper, others required extreme measures.  Removing the crimp and trimming are also annoying.  This is based on my experience hand loading straight walled pistol rounds.  No comparison regarding the labor invovled :(

I'm told I need only do all this processing once, and it'll behave for reloading thereafter.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 19, 2013, 04:45:42 PM
i've seen 380 at the local wall mart off and on, but that's the only place. ranges between $15 - $18 per box depending on the brand.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 19, 2013, 04:50:59 PM
As a handloader, I hate milsurp too.  Now that I've got my AR running, I'm going through some old "blasting" ammo that's at least a decade old, a lot was LC and other milsurp 5.56. 
I've had very mixed results removing the primers and crimps.  Some came off easy with the Lee Universal Decapper, others required extreme measures.  Removing the crimp and trimming are also annoying.  This is based on my experience hand loading straight walled pistol rounds.  No comparison regarding the labor invovled :(

I'm told I need only do all this processing once, and it'll behave for reloading thereafter.

I don't reload my .223, hence the rule for buying it when I find it for $300/1000 or less.  IMHO it's not worth my time and effort to reload if I can buy it at .30/round.   I may have to rethink my strategy but I can't find any damn powder.  I do retrieve my brass just in case.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 19, 2013, 05:07:29 PM
I got spoiled when I started casting and handloading for .38spl revolver.  My per round cost was was less than $0.10 each.  The case prep was limited to tumbling for an hour and resize/deprime (one step that I taught my 9 year old son to do on my Lee classic).

Once every week or so I spend an hour priming and expanding the case mouths. I usually get 150 or so done each time.  On a different day I'd charge and seat the bullets with the same rate of effeciency.  So for a long while I had this rhythm of $50 in components + 6-8 hours of my time got me 500 revolver rounds for plinking each month.  I was making better quality ammo at 25% the retail cost.

Right now for .223 components:

55gr bullet: $0.16
sr primer: $0.04 (if you can find it)
24gr powder: $0.08

That's $0.28 AND I have to dork with brass prep.  I think I'm going to limit my AR hand loads to premium stuff, like 68gr matchkings with varget in the best brass.  If I can't save money, I'll instead improve the cartridge quality and dial in a load my gun really likes.


Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FreeLancer on June 19, 2013, 08:52:45 PM
That being said, I'm not at the range blowing through my whole stash either. I'm not that optimistic, especially living in California, where anything can happen in the CA.gov.

Me too, I'm not shooting much until the legislative dust settles, I'm kind of worried that ammo could get a lot harder to come by here in CA.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 4bull on June 19, 2013, 09:33:23 PM
I found .22 CCI,s 7.99 a hundred the first i've seen .
And the vary first .223's for 7.99 a box of 20.
And 7.62 x 39 6.99 a box of 20.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 20, 2013, 08:30:39 AM
Me too, I'm not shooting much until the legislative dust settles, I'm kind of worried that ammo could get a lot harder to come by here in CA.

I thought I recently read CA passed some kind of "ammo license".  Was that FUD or for real?

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on June 20, 2013, 09:10:37 AM
It was FUD, but not by much. The state Senate and House each passed a handful of GC bills and handed them to each other. One of those will require a license to buy ammo, which requires a background check and a $50 per year fee. It also makes mail order illegal, and apparently, makes private sales/transfers illegal. So if my BIL and I are shooting at the range, and he runs out of ammo, I can't give him some of mine ???

It was carried by a lot of news/internet articles like it was now law, but thats not true until the branches each sign off on the others bills and the Gov signs them in. Hopefully a couple die in the process. These are horrendous bills.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 20, 2013, 09:26:17 AM
It was FUD, but not by much. The state Senate and House each passed a handful of GC bills and handed them to each other. One of those will require a license to buy ammo, which requires a background check and a $50 per year fee. It also makes mail order illegal, and apparently, makes private sales/transfers illegal. So if my BIL and I are shooting at the range, and he runs out of ammo, I can't give him some of mine ???

It was carried by a lot of news/internet articles like it was now law, but thats not true until the branches each sign off on the others bills and the Gov signs them in. Hopefully a couple die in the process. These are horrendous bills.

All I can say is WOW.

What would this change or help?  Even if a guy abides by this rule (knowing that there's a high probability that criminals won't) but at some point decides to go on a killing spree, how would this law have helped anything? . . . .  I'm sorry, but as bad as Oregon is, I would live in my car before I would live in California.
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Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on June 20, 2013, 09:31:52 AM
It's like gasoline. Once they get everyone used to paying $4 a gallon — there is no longer any reason for them to find a way to bring it back down to $1, even if they could somehow get their operating costs down where profits would be the same — they would just keep it at $4 and make 4X more money than they do now if that was the case.

Kind of like how they all magically started making 4X more money when they quadrupled the price in a short time.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 20, 2013, 11:46:39 AM
It's like gasoline. Once they get everyone used to paying $4 a gallon — there is no longer any reason for them to find a way to bring it back down to $1, even if they could somehow get their operating costs down where profits would be the same — they would just keep it at $4 and make 4X more money than they do now if that was the case.

Kind of like how they all magically started making 4X more money when they quadrupled the price in a short time.

with a difference being that refining oil into gasoline has a high barrier to entry.  Neither you nor I cannot dig an oil well and start making our own gas next month.

On the other hand,  it's considerably easier to manufacture ammo from a supply chain and operational perspective.  I believe this is exactly why reloading components have surged in the past 6 months.  It's a reaction to the sticker shock of retail ammo prices.  Because of this, it's a target for regulation.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on June 20, 2013, 12:20:33 PM
Gas really isn't a good example. That is driven primarily by inflation and cost to acquire the oil. Record profits just means they are following inflation.

Ammo is a scalp and hock issue. Retailers have to choose to either jack prices up or ration or both to try to curb a-holes buying and reselling. If I needed ammo bad enough I would find a retailer that is doing the markup and is donating the bump to civil rights groups. The scalpers that horde just to resell need to get skull fornicated. I won't even consider buying from them.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 20, 2013, 08:26:23 PM
+1 for skull fornicated, that made my night.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on June 21, 2013, 07:42:15 AM

Wally world had several boxes of 9mm....the Winchester Red&White boxes of 100....I'm very proud of myself, I passed it by.   Don't need 9mm right now, and I'm sure there were plenty of people who do.   

Whew, I think my skull is safe for this week! :)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on June 21, 2013, 08:03:29 AM
Cabela’s got some .22lr in today, scored a 1000rnd box of Winchester 40gr.  I would advise anyone really needing .22 to just backorder from Cabela’s. I have and I’ve been getting 1-2 backorders in a month for pre-insanity prices all the way too.  Just my opinion but Cabela’s has been doing right by me for months now and its awesome to get 1000-2000rnds of .22 a month with no extra effort and a little patience.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on June 21, 2013, 10:30:27 AM
ADKwarrior, I'm having some trouble finding 22lr at cabelas. Can you post a link please? Or do you call them on the phone?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 21, 2013, 10:43:11 AM
re: Cabela's

Some folks think they are a bit expensive, but they do have strong sale discounts (at least they used to) and very good customer service.  I once snapped a Cabela's brand fishing rod when slamming my truck door.  They gave me a store gift card for replacement value.

A minor complaint I do have is that you cannot arrange in-store pickup for hazmat items, such as primers or powder.  I really thought I discovered the ultimate workaround, but it's not permitted on their website.  :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 21, 2013, 10:47:16 AM
A minor complaint I do have is that you cannot arrange in-store pickup for hazmat items, such as primers or powder.  I really thought I discovered the ultimate workaround, but it's not permitted on their website.  :(

No, but I've been told you can ask an individual store to order you primers or powders that they normally stock and avoid the hazmat fee.  This at least means that you are guaranteed product when it comes in.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 21, 2013, 10:49:06 AM
No, but I've been told you can ask an individual store to order you primers or powders that they normally stock and avoid the hazmat fee.  This at least means that you are guaranteed product when it comes in.

(http://images.wikia.com/theamazingworldofgumball/images/2/2e/Orly_cat.jpg)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 21, 2013, 11:06:28 AM
(http://images.wikia.com/theamazingworldofgumball/images/2/2e/Orly_cat.jpg)

POSS
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on June 24, 2013, 08:06:08 AM
ADKwarrior, I'm having some trouble finding 22lr at cabelas. Can you post a link please? Or do you call them on the phone?

I apologise for not checking the site first but it looks like they have taken all outta stock stuff down.  I backordered a couple of everything, 500rnd and over, many months ago and it just keeps trickling in to the homestead so i haven't check the website in awhile.  I apologise for giving bad info.  This is troubling as the last of my orders is coming soon and I may have to stop weekly shooting finally... :( 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on June 24, 2013, 09:02:44 AM
I apologise for not checking the site first but it looks like they have taken all outta stock stuff down.  I backordered a couple of everything, 500rnd and over, many months ago and it just keeps trickling in to the homestead so i haven't check the website in awhile.  I apologise for giving bad info.  This is troubling as the last of my orders is coming soon and I may have to stop weekly shooting finally... :(
No problem ADK, I appreciate you trying to help us out. I haven't stopped shooting, I'm just shooting .22LR in the quantities as it is centerfire ammo, because that's how much it would cost to replace! No more blowing through a whole brick in an afternoon.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on June 25, 2013, 06:44:09 AM
8:41am:  Cabelas has .22 LR HP (Cbee) Golden Bullet HP Per 100
7.49$

8:48am: Also Federal .22lr shot shells, 50rnd 10.99

Probably wont last more than a few min and its a 1 per person order item.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 25, 2013, 07:54:48 AM
8:41am:  Cabelas has .22 LR HP (Cbee) Golden Bullet HP Per 100
7.49$

How bad is it that we get all worked up over an opportunity to pay .075/round for .22lr . . .  It looks better because it's only 7.49 a box, but it was not that long ago we were getting 500 rounds for the price of two of those 100 round boxes.

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Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 25, 2013, 07:58:13 AM
How bad is it that we get all worked up over an opportunity to pay .075/round for .22lr . . .  It looks better because it's only 7.49 a box, but it was not that long ago we were getting 500 rounds for the price of two of those 100 round boxes.



that's what i was thinking... *sigh* at least ammo is starting to trickle in. hopefully the prices will start to come down some.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on June 25, 2013, 08:56:04 AM
HAHA...so true and yet so sad.  haha.
  I didnt order any because paying shipping for 1-100rnd box is insane!

How bad is it that we get all worked up over an opportunity to pay .075/round for .22lr . . .  It looks better because it's only 7.49 a box, but it was not that long ago we were getting 500 rounds for the price of two of those 100 round boxes.

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Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on June 25, 2013, 09:05:03 AM
Where i am in NY i can get pretty much any ammo i want, anything but .22, which i have not seen in a store locally since last year.  Although if you wanna pay 160$+ for a box of 500 there is a bunch of Eley(sp?) Match grade stuff here. I do not own a handgun or reload so my ammo problems are nearly nonexistant aside from .22lr.

Been beating the hell out of myself with the shotgun weekly as i still get 250rnd cases of low brass here for 69$.

that's what i was thinking... *sigh* at least ammo is starting to trickle in. hopefully the prices will start to come down some.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on June 25, 2013, 04:55:59 PM
How bad is it that we get all worked up over an opportunity to pay .075/round for .22lr . . .  It looks better because it's only 7.49 a box, but it was not that long ago we were getting 500 rounds for the price of two of those 100 round boxes.
Yeah, I remember when a box of 100 .22LR was $0.99. (and made $1.60 an hour.)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 25, 2013, 05:21:22 PM
Yeah, I remember when a box of 100 .22LR was $0.99. (and made $1.60 an hour.)

LOL. . .  I can remember making $3.10/hour, making a phone call on a pay phone for .10, paying .25 for a full sized candy bar, paying .50 for a gallon of gas. . . you must be really old.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on June 25, 2013, 07:45:54 PM
LOL. . .  I can remember making $3.10/hour, making a phone call on a pay phone for .10, paying .25 for a full sized candy bar, paying .50 for a gallon of gas. . . you must be really old.
Yep, that candy bar was a nickel and the gas was 30 cents.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bennington1776 on June 25, 2013, 08:08:31 PM
Was able to pick up a little 9mm FMJ at an ok price.  Saw 1000 rounds of 5.56 for $489.00, brass.  Still more than I am willing to pay.  Gun store advised S&W MP and Colt simi auto rifles are up in price, S&W has a 30.00 increase and Colt now has a 80.00 increase.  All others were the same though.  They had more stock today than I have seen in months.  That may be a good sign.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 25, 2013, 10:03:01 PM
Yep, that candy bar was a nickel and the gas was 30 cents.

You might just have 10 years on me then.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on June 26, 2013, 04:05:37 AM
I noticed the 500 rounds of 9mm from freedommunitions dropped about $4 recently,  woo-hoo!  ( semi-sarcastic woo-hoo with a sprinkle of optimism in there ).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 26, 2013, 08:30:56 AM
Was able to pick up a little 9mm FMJ at an ok price.  Saw 1000 rounds of 5.56 for $489.00, brass.  Still more than I am willing to pay.  Gun store advised S&W MP and Colt simi auto rifles are up in price, S&W has a 30.00 increase and Colt now has a 80.00 increase.  All others were the same though.  They had more stock today than I have seen in months.  That may be a good sign.

i see scary black rifles in stock all over the place. what i can't find is anything to feed them. sportsmans even has a good inventory of hand guns again.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 26, 2013, 09:32:34 AM
Ditto on the black rifles.  2 weeks back I got all the parts locally to finish my AR.  I was very pleased to find the BCG I wanted in stock too.

Fortunately, I had been buying magazines and ammo over the last several months when I came across deals.  I got way more magazines than I needed, as I rationalized 30 round mags could be banned a lot easier than ammo.  I bought several when they went on sale for $9.99 last year,  but now I don't have enough ammo to load them all.

500 rounds seemed decent before I had a rifle to shoot it :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 26, 2013, 10:33:41 AM
500 rounds seemed decent before I had a rifle to shoot it :(

i never had a chance to put in a big bulk order before the SHTF with guns. i never had the funds so i bought a little hear and there. i haven't bought any since january probably. i'm hoping the prices will get back to what they were before and then i plan on getting a couple thousand rounds, even if i do incur the wrath of my wife.

i didn't own my first gun until father's day 2011 so i knew nothing of the past scares/ammo shortages. i will never be caught with my pants down again.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Mexican_Hippie on June 26, 2013, 12:03:24 PM
Its starting to come back near me. 

I found some 40SW and some 45ACP as well as 223 at Walmart.  Also, Cabela's keeps a stock of steel case cheapie 223 for about $6 a box.

Online,  Freedom Munitions and Slickguns have both had good deals on ammo lately that's in stock.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 26, 2013, 01:27:11 PM
yeah. i'm about ready to buy some steel stuff just to have more ammo, but i really really like brass... plus i've heard good and bad about steel cases. also the fact that steel costs what brass used to cost really bugs me...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on June 27, 2013, 06:55:46 PM
Some good news here to. Guns Galore has filled their shelves again. They have everything except 22RF and 380. I counted 40 boxes of Blaser 9mm on the shelf. They had some PMC for 11.99 a box/20 and some ICI? 308 for 39.99 per box/50. All the hunting loads where in stock. I also picked up a brick of CCI small pistol primers for 54.60 plus sales tax. Not great, but better then in a while. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 28, 2013, 04:09:48 PM
yeah. i'm about ready to buy some steel stuff just to have more ammo, but i really really like brass... plus i've heard good and bad about steel cases. also the fact that steel costs what brass used to cost really bugs me...

I'm getting my .223 hand loading sorted out.  Came up with a process for military brass (ground out the crimp and trimmed neck), but 500 primers - but need powder.

Event at today's component prices, I can hand load 69gr Sierra match kings cheaper than any 55gr blasting ammo I can find.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 28, 2013, 04:33:23 PM
i'm not into reloading yet but i plan to be. i save all of my brass.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: flippydidit on June 28, 2013, 05:08:16 PM
Not sure if I posted this before, but if you're looking for ammo I'll let you in on one of my "secret fishin' hole" sites.  I use these guys to get ammo when no one else has any.

http://unammo.com/ (http://unammo.com/)

If you live in Arizona you should go to the store, as they have more in their store than they actually post on their site.  I have to order it since I live in Florida.  They even have API rounds for my .50 BMG diet.  Gotta love America when you can still get armor piercing incendiary rounds for your .50 delivered to your front door for $3.20 a round.  Of course Kalifornia and some other places no longer count as America.  Any word on getting the Statue of Liberty relocated to within the Free States?  I personally don't think New York can be entrusted with it anymore.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on June 28, 2013, 05:20:43 PM
Any word on getting the Statue of Liberty relocated to within the Free States?  I personally don't think New York can be entrusted with it anymore.

Doh !. . . .  Sooooo true.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 29, 2013, 02:36:18 PM
Not sure if I posted this before, but if you're looking for ammo I'll let you in on one of my "secret fishin' hole" sites.  I use these guys to get ammo when no one else has any.

http://unammo.com/ (http://unammo.com/)

If you live in Arizona you should go to the store, as they have more in their store than they actually post on their site.  I have to order it since I live in Florida.  They even have API rounds for my .50 BMG diet.  Gotta love America when you can still get armor piercing incendiary rounds for your .50 delivered to your front door for $3.20 a round.  Of course Kalifornia and some other places no longer count as America.  Any word on getting the Statue of Liberty relocated to within the Free States?  I personally don't think New York can be entrusted with it anymore.

i've heard of these guys, been meaning to check them out next time in in the phoenix area.

gotta start looking at 30-06 now too, getting a garand on monday :D
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 30, 2013, 10:17:18 PM
Saturday 6/29/13 I scored my first small pistol (magnum) primers locally since last December.  Got 1000 box of winchester for $37.00 and 3x100 CCI packs for $3.75 each.  I bought literally half of what they had.  I could have afforded to get everything, but didn't want to be "that guy".

Also, they had some powder in stock at pre-panic prices.  I got another jar of IMR trailboss, as it's a fun family plinking load and I end up using that more than the slower burning magnum stuff.   Nothing useful for .223, but at least I can feed my revolvers.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on July 01, 2013, 08:18:37 AM
... getting a garand on monday :D

Enjoy brother! I have never enjoyed shooting any rifle as much as i do the Garand, but an M107 is a bit of fun as well.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 02, 2013, 02:15:56 PM
Enjoy brother! I have never enjoyed shooting any rifle as much as i do the Garand, but an M107 is a bit of fun as well.

didn't pan out... oh well. here's to continually looking.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: meapplejak on July 05, 2013, 06:04:34 PM
Went to Cabela's Boomtown Reno for the first time in June 6-23-13 and found a ton of .223 herters 20 for 6.99 cheap stuff and found some 9mm i think was like 14.99 for 50.  first time i found 9mm anywhere but i havent looked much recently.  Awesome store by the way coolest store ive been to haha  they had so much shotgun bought some 00 buck 5 packs for like 2.39 .  Better prices than bay area pretty much
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on July 05, 2013, 06:53:15 PM
I checked some local stores again today out of the blue and as usual... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

I am convinced I will never be able to buy handgun ammo in a store ever again.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mithgar50 on July 05, 2013, 08:01:33 PM
Just left my local Walmart and am starting to see ammo on the shelves finally.  For the 3rd trip in a row they had .40's and .45's on the shelf.  Both calibers in Winchester 100 round packs but also 50 round packs of Winchester full metal jacket in the .40 cal.  Also .380's, .223, 22 mag, 7mm was in stock for long gun ammo.  Sporting goods manager stated he had gotten in a case of 9mm as well but sold out in about 3 hours today.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BULL-IT on July 05, 2013, 08:43:58 PM
I'm in Missouri for work and there is actually ammo up here! I've been going to bass pro and cabellas as much as I can afford. So far I've stocked up 600 rounds of 5.56 and a few pmags. I love cabellas! I've also picked up some good stuff to throw in the packs.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BULL-IT on July 05, 2013, 08:47:31 PM
One hard thing to find here is .40, I actually picked some up from Walmart... so far nothing but expensive defense rounds at cabellas.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NCFreedom on July 06, 2013, 05:31:28 AM
last week walmart was still out of everything, but shotgun shells and a few rifle calibers.  Gander Mountain in the same shopping center has everything but 22.  I'm in Gastonia, NC right outside of Charlotte.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Louisiana Suvivor on July 06, 2013, 06:59:19 AM
down here everything is back to normal. even the gas stations/tackle box stores have stock again. the hunting and shooting store that has been open for 30 years in my town never went dry. IT WAS CLOSE, but always had ammo in stock. It was a combination of his suppliers keeping him stocked and the majority of people didn't need to stock up on account they've been stocking up for years and decades LOL.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on July 06, 2013, 11:07:21 AM
   I picked up some small pistol primers (CCI) for $35 a brick. The dealer at the Madison gun show said it was an order he put in October and he just got it this week. Another dealer sold me some CCI's Large pistol primers for $38/1000. 22lr were still to high. The best price I found was $50/500 for Thunderbolt. I saw someone buy 900 CCi's mini mags in a plastic 50 cal. ammo box for $109.
   Well I'm covered for now. With the primers I just bought and casting my own bullets I should be good for  6 months.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on July 06, 2013, 11:41:19 AM
Cheaper Than Dirt has 380 in stock now. I may buy some, or wait a few weeks until I can actually go to the range (way too busy right now). I have seen .45 and 9mm in stock here and there around town, but very limited supply (maybe a box). The last time I was in Cabella's in Wheeling WV they had tons of 45 but no other handgun ammo.

It would be LOVELY if it would just get back to normal and this thread becomes inactive because nobody has trouble finding ammo anymore.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on July 06, 2013, 03:25:04 PM
I went to CTD today. They had some of everything. The 5.56 was still to high for me to bite, but they did have a few 1000 round boxes. I did pick up a brick of .22LR and some .45 acp.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on July 06, 2013, 06:27:00 PM
I'm just curious, as the ammo is becoming more available, what the prices are. Where I am it is still very dry.  .22LR is "available" and on the shelf at the local range, but it was $95 for a brick of 500.

So... Are we seeing ammo available, or "available"? How are we defining "normal"?

Thanks! Hopefully this thread will be a good laugh in the future, when all ammo is once again cheap.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on July 06, 2013, 06:52:49 PM
Well, the brick of Federal .22LR I bought today (325 rounds) was $43.97 + tax., so still pretty steep an 13.5 cents per round, but is cheaper than what I have seen lately.

The only other .22LR I have seen during the last 6 months was 9.75 for 50 rounds. I didn't buy any of that.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BassManNate on July 06, 2013, 07:25:39 PM
I certainly hope that .22lr becomes more than "available" since I have an SR22 on the way as my first gun. Would really suck to have my first gun with nothing to shoot through it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on July 06, 2013, 08:21:51 PM
Well, the brick of Federal .22LR I bought today (325 rounds) was $43.97 + tax., so still pretty steep an 13.5 cents per round, but is cheaper than what I have seen lately.

The only other .22LR I have seen during the last 6 months was 9.75 for 50 rounds. I didn't buy any of that.

Damn.. That is stupid expensive for .22

But available is a start.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 06, 2013, 09:51:21 PM
Damn.. That is stupid expensive for .22

But available is a start.

that's what i was thinking. i was starting to think .22 was turning into bigfoot or the lockness monster and entering the world of mythology...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 07, 2013, 12:04:57 AM
damn .22lr

It's currently cheaper for me to hand load cast lead .38spl than to buy rimfire.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: bdhutier on July 07, 2013, 07:09:11 AM
In the San Antonio area, I haven't seen anything more than .270, .45LC, .20ga, and a few other odd rifle cartridges in any big store in a VERY long time.  I hear if you hit Academy sports on the right days and wait in line, you can buy the alloted two boxes of 5.56, .45ACP, 9mm, and .40 for stupid money.  Haven't gotten that desperate yet...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Dj Keebz on July 07, 2013, 12:45:05 PM
Found some .40, .45, and CCI minimags on Friday at 2:00 in the afternoon at my local walmart.
Also on truck days at academy get there around 30-45 minutes before 8 am and wait in line and get  325 ct federal auto match .22 for 16.99.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Spadalach on July 08, 2013, 05:50:52 PM
I checked out my local Walmart today and it's worse than ever.  A month or two ago, you'd still find the expensive "self defense" loads for .45 ACP and .38.  They're gone now too.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Cj Verde on July 08, 2013, 08:53:08 PM
I have to say I haven't been paying much attention to this issue but I had to buy ammo for my 22 to kill some chickens today (yes, the chantecler's I mentioned in today's show!) I went to Dick's Sporting Goods and they were completely out. They said they usually sell out within a day of getting a shipment. Good news is that they have another shipment coming in Wednesday.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 09, 2013, 07:28:36 AM
I checked out my local Walmart today and it's worse than ever.  A month or two ago, you'd still find the expensive "self defense" loads for .45 ACP and .38.  They're gone now too.

wow, i've never seen self defense loads in my local wal marts, have to go to the big stores for those.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Spadalach on July 09, 2013, 10:32:43 AM
wow, i've never seen self defense loads in my local wal marts, have to go to the big stores for those.
My store carries Winchester Elite PDX1 Defender, but the choice of calibers is still shrinking.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BlueHound on July 09, 2013, 11:13:08 AM
I just returned from my local gun store in Woodstock, Georgia.  The owner said he is out of most ammo, because the DHS is buying it all.

Anybody have any idea why the DHS needs so much ammo?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Crazy Fox on July 09, 2013, 11:33:33 AM
I just returned from my local gun store in Woodstock, Georgia.  The owner said he is out of most ammo, because the DHS is buying it all.

I'm not sure if the guy was just messing with you or if he was being serious, but there are a lot of things affecting ammo availability more than .gov purchases.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Virginian on July 09, 2013, 11:36:35 AM
I just returned from my local gun store in Woodstock, Georgia.  The owner said he is out of most ammo, because the DHS is buying it all.

Anybody have any idea why the DHS needs so much ammo?

IMO, Most likely due to whats going on in Egypt.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Cedar on July 09, 2013, 12:09:34 PM
I was at Bi Mart picking up a pool noodle for a project and saw .22LR sitting on the shelf. 2 box maximum purchase for $7-something.

Cedar
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 09, 2013, 02:04:25 PM
Cedar - assuming those were the little 50 round boxes.  Approx 1"x2"?
Back in the day (last year) those were $2.50-3 each :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 09, 2013, 03:42:20 PM
Cedar - assuming those were the little 50 round boxes.  Approx 1"x2"?
Back in the day (last year) those were $2.50-3 each :(

that's what i was thinking. if it was 100 then not too bad...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Cedar on July 10, 2013, 11:50:29 AM
I finally caught up with Z to ask. They were 100 round boxes.

Cedar
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 10, 2013, 01:29:34 PM
I finally caught up with Z to ask. They were 100 round boxes.

Cedar

that's not terrible then...

yesterday wally world had a few 50rnd boxes of sub sonic 22 on the shelf. they also had a bunch of 12 and 20 gauge shells which i haven't seen in a while.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on July 10, 2013, 02:38:06 PM
I saw 6 100 round boxes of WWB 9mm for $23 each at walmart on the shelf

I also saw about the same number of boxes fo WWB .40, didn't note the price

no 223 or 22lr
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on July 10, 2013, 03:11:49 PM
Maybe we need a mutual support group. Something like a if you see it get it, and an at cost exchange board.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on July 10, 2013, 04:11:04 PM
Maybe we need a mutual support group. Something like a if you see it get it, and an at cost exchange board.

This isn't a bad idea.   I do this w/ a friend of mine already, he's about 75 miles from me.   He covers his area, I do mine.  We know what each other are looking for.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 10, 2013, 04:14:10 PM
This isn't a bad idea.   I do this w/ a friend of mine already, he's about 75 miles from me.   He covers his area, I do mine.  We know what each other are looking for.

i've thought about it as well. the problem is i don't really have anyone local, and they one guy i do know lives down the street so it doesn't really work...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 11, 2013, 10:31:29 AM
You can't have it both ways.  Geographic diversity of participants is key to maximizing selection.
Of course that adds the problem of shipping costs.

Personally, if I could get ammo I need and use at a reasonable price + actual shipping, I'd strongly consider it.

Rather than come up with a complex escrow process,  what if you setup a sub-forum or even topic for this?  I've seen something similar on hand loading message boards, where a certain "karma" level is required to participate.  The idea would be that people would be willing to buy and sell at their cost + actual shipping.  It'd be totally honor system, but there are enough folks here on TSP I trust reasonably well, I'd wouldn't hesitate to exchange with.

So if I see I screaming deal on a caliber I don't necessarily use, I might buy a bunch - not to hoard, but to distribute with fellow TSPers.

MODS:  can you advise if an ammo exchange/classified sticky topic would be permissible?  The actual payment and personal info would be limited to PM of course.  Just an idea.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on July 11, 2013, 06:34:37 PM
We have a swap meet board. If you have something for sale or trade and can make a legal transaction, go for it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on July 11, 2013, 07:15:19 PM
You can't have it both ways.  Geographic diversity of participants is key to maximizing selection.
Of course that adds the problem of shipping costs.

Personally, if I could get ammo I need and use at a reasonable price + actual shipping, I'd strongly consider it.

Rather than come up with a complex escrow process,  what if you setup a sub-forum or even topic for this?  I've seen something similar on hand loading message boards, where a certain "karma" level is required to participate.  The idea would be that people would be willing to buy and sell at their cost + actual shipping.  It'd be totally honor system, but there are enough folks here on TSP I trust reasonably well, I'd wouldn't hesitate to exchange with.

So if I see I screaming deal on a caliber I don't necessarily use, I might buy a bunch - not to hoard, but to distribute with fellow TSPers.

MODS:  can you advise if an ammo exchange/classified sticky topic would be permissible?  The actual payment and personal info would be limited to PM of course.  Just an idea.

Kinda my thoughts. It takes quite a bit of participation to make it feasible. Personally, if I see it and I do have a caliber for it, I get it, then sell at cost to buddies that are hard up for ammo. If it could work, it would be cool to make it a forum thing. I don't have the time to wrangle it, but perhaps a thread to gauge interest and then a test offer in the swap meet board just to see if it is viable. It is rapidly becoming less of an issue, so it might obsolete itself before going anywhere this time around, but having the idea in place might be good.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BlueHound on July 13, 2013, 06:00:25 PM
I bought a Glock 27 4th gen (had to go to 3 different stores before I found one) and some 40 cal ammo today.

The ammo was unbelievably expensive at Academy Sports & Outdoors.  20 rounds of Gold Dot 40 cal 165 grain GDHP cost 29.95...$1.50/round!!!!!!!  Unless you buy a gun, they will only allow you to buy one box/day.  The clerk said they sell out within hours of getting a shipment of ammo, so they had to put limits on how much any one person can buy.  He said some people buy them for almost $30/ea and then sell them for $40/ea.

I also went to Adventure Outdoors and bought three boxes (20 rounds ea) of Hornady Zombie Max 40 cal 165 grain Z-MAX for $27.81/box and three boxes (50 rounds each) of American Eagle 40 cal 180 grain FMJ for $19.25/box.

This is highway robbery, but I'm happy to have been able to buy any at all.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 13, 2013, 09:34:26 PM
$1.50 for a SD round isn't too unreasonable. i think i paid $1 per round on my golden saber... it is nearing a year old though so i'm hoping i can pick some more up here soon so i can rotate them out.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cheryl1 on July 14, 2013, 10:23:35 AM
I heard that a friend of a friend found one box of .22LR on the shelf  :o

Then again, it may just be an urban legend.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on July 17, 2013, 08:42:07 AM
So evidently there's plenty of ammo in Canada, and we 'mericans can't have it because ammo import laws.
"...for 22LR, he’s “paying $20-$25 for a box of 500." See article link below.

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/07/09/bulk-ammo-sale-pre-panic-prices-eh/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2013-07-16&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter (http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/07/09/bulk-ammo-sale-pre-panic-prices-eh/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2013-07-16&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 17, 2013, 09:00:14 AM
So evidently there's plenty of ammo in Canada, and we 'mericans can't have it because ammo import laws.
"...for 22LR, he’s “paying $20-$25 for a box of 500." See article link below.

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/07/09/bulk-ammo-sale-pre-panic-prices-eh/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2013-07-16&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter (http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/07/09/bulk-ammo-sale-pre-panic-prices-eh/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2013-07-16&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter)

Living in a bordering state I'd consider this if I wasn't convinced US customs agents were total dicks.  A few years ago I drove up to Vancouver, BC with my wife for a concert.  We were just staying overnight in a nice hotel and planned to drive back to Seattle the next day.  The agent asked for the address of the hotel, and became agitated that I didn't know the address off hand (it was a Marriott or similar chain, can't remember).  We got pulled aside until I could bring up the full street address on my phone and produce the email confirming we had a reservation.

I'm told that's the cost to fight terrorism...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BassManNate on July 20, 2013, 11:28:12 AM
I happened to be in Wal-Mart doing some shopping this morning and thought, "What the heck?" and checked it out knowing it would be a long shot.

Ended up with 2 100 rd. boxes of cci mini mags. The guy at the counter said it had just come in last night. The 550 rd boxes of 22lr were already gone and there wasn't much left of the ones I got. He said they'd be gone by the end of the day and that it was the first time he had seen 22lr in quite some time.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BlueHound on July 20, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Just bought over 500 rounds of 40 cal from Adventure Outdoors (http://www.adventureoutdoors.us/) in Smyrna, GA...

250 135gr Frangible 40 cal - $89.99

250 165gr copper plated round nose 40 cal - $129.99

60 165gr Hornady Z-MAX - $77.97  (Only to be used on Zombies)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on July 20, 2013, 01:54:31 PM
Academy has had .45 acp and 5.56 lately, but they will only let you have 1 box of up to 3 different calibers, so it is slow to stock up.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Sid on July 21, 2013, 09:24:27 AM
I have not gone back through all the posts in this thread, so this info might already be there, but if you want to buy ammo online here are two sites that keep up to date availability and prices at a large number of suppliers for most common calibers.  If you check often you can get the best prices available, but sometimes it disappears fast.  Also compare the shipping charges before you hit the buy button because sometimes they are excessive.  Palmetto State Armory when they have what I want has some of the lowest shipping costs that I have paid.

http://www.gunbot.net/

http://ammoseek.com/

The supply has improved recently, but the prices are still high by pre crisis comparison.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: zanedclark@att.net on July 21, 2013, 09:58:56 AM
A friend just told me that he bought 1000 primers.  So perhaps things are getting better
z
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BassManNate on July 21, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
My father bought 1000 rds of 22lr through gunbot this past week for $50. He tends to watch it pretty frequently so, when he knew I was looking for 22lr and saw that deal, he jumped on it. He'll be bringing it with him in August. What a nice father.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Scottman on July 21, 2013, 01:32:35 PM
was that 50 plus shipping?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bennington1776 on July 21, 2013, 05:27:28 PM
Any thoughts on Eley ammo?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: RacinRob on July 21, 2013, 05:29:40 PM
It is good accurate ammo, but it tends to be geared to target shooting.  Oh and expensive.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Adam B. on July 22, 2013, 11:46:19 AM
I found PDX Defender rounds at Wally World today for about $26/box in 45 auto which is the very first time I've seen ANY handgun ammo at the local Wally World where all the liberal gun grabbers live (John Kerry and his b!+c# wife Theresa have a house around the corner).

I bought all the ammo they had for any guns I owned — sans 12 gauge — when the gun scare went down, over a period of a week or two. The shelves have been empty since, and still are except for the handful of 45 auto boxes I saw today.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dunflr on July 22, 2013, 01:01:29 PM
I've seen  .40 short and weak all long, and shotshells, too, at wally's and elsewhere. Goes to show how "popular" such things really are, I'd say. :-)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on July 22, 2013, 01:03:38 PM
I've seen  .40 short and weak all long, and shotshells, too, at wally's and elsewhere. Goes to show how "popular" such things really are, I'd say. :-)

In handgun calibers, 40S&W was last to dry up and first to return last time around as well.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 22, 2013, 02:11:15 PM
while still limiting sales to one box/caliber, wally world had about 15 boxes of 9mm and a few of 380 on the shelves, which is never the case this late in the day.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BassManNate on July 22, 2013, 08:54:21 PM
was that 50 plus shipping?

I would imagine so. He didn't say for sure.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mgw44 on July 23, 2013, 04:59:23 PM
I just got an e-mail from Gander Mountain.  They have started an "ammo club" for their e-mail subscribers.  It appears that every week I will be getting an e-mail that shows advance shipment notices on ammo.  The tag line is "be the first to know weekly ammo arrivals at your local store" 

Unfortunately there are no shipments to my local Michigan stores this week.  But this may be a good barometer of ammo availability

mgw44
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on July 27, 2013, 07:59:09 AM
the availiability is still low at the local gun shops and at our Walmart the gun shops prices are up! 

The Banks have been outed recently for manipulating comodiities prices and ammunition needs Brass ,Aluminum, Primers , Gun powder, Lead, Copper, and steel in some brands!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/business/a-shuffle-of-aluminum-but-to-banks-pure-gold.html?pagewanted=1&=_r=6&_r=1&

http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs-aluminum-fact-sheet-2013-7
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Cedar on July 27, 2013, 08:31:38 AM
My friends fav place now has 'all the flavors' for the most part available. He said 'maybe the shortage is over'. Me, who is always optimistic about everything, is pessimistic about this.

Cedar
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on July 28, 2013, 08:10:21 PM
I recently moved to the midwest and my Walmart sells guns, ammo and lots more sporting supplies than the one in northern Colorado.
Unfortunately, their .22 bricks still sell out the same day they receive them, according to the guy working behind the counter.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BassManNate on July 28, 2013, 08:37:25 PM
I recently moved to the midwest and my Walmart sells guns, ammo and lots more sporting supplies than the one in northern Colorado.
Unfortunately, their .22 bricks still sell out the same day they receive them, according to the guy working behind the counter.

Yeah, makes me wonder when people will start thinking they have enough.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: flippydidit on July 28, 2013, 08:48:15 PM
I guess that depends on what it is you think you need enough for.  For training?  For another panic buy crisis?  For the zombie apocalypse?  For the night stand?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 28, 2013, 11:14:13 PM
Sat 7/27/13 stopped by Cabela's at Tulalip, WA.

no .22lr save for extremely expensive tracers
lots of .223/5.56, got some PMC for $8.99 a 20rnd box.
lots of .45ACP, but only a few varieties.
some .380
almost no 9mm
Noticed a bunch of cool old milsurp calibers in the Herter's brand including: 7.62x54r, .303Brit, 7.7x58 jap, etc.

Only powder was clays universal (shotshell), no cartridge primers, but decent bullet and brass selection.  I got some 69gr Sierra matchkings to try out.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: RhinoTx on July 29, 2013, 01:58:39 PM
Here in Austin, TX @ Academy they have stock on all normal (and weird) calibers even 100 ct CCI Mini-Mag 22LR. Only thing I can't find anywhere locally is .300BLK.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on July 30, 2013, 11:08:56 AM
yesterday on the shelves in WI (about 7pm)



Walmart:
4 boxes of 9mm ($15)
2 boxes of 45 auto ($20)
(no 22LR, 38, 40 or really anything else)

Gander Mountain:
2 boxes of 40S&W HST ($35 - seems kind of high)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ttubravesrock on July 31, 2013, 11:14:59 AM
I haven't seen 22LR (or Short) since November.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Mexican_Hippie on July 31, 2013, 12:08:16 PM
I guess that depends on what it is you think you need enough for.  For training?  For another panic buy crisis?  For the zombie apocalypse?  For the night stand?

Exactly. 

Before people bitch at the guy in front of them buying 1,000 rounds they might consider that its only a month's worth of shooting for him and that it's half of what he used to shoot every month because of the prices.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Crazy Fox on July 31, 2013, 12:14:13 PM
Exactly. 
Before people bitch at the guy in front of them buying 1,000 rounds they might consider that its only a month's worth of shooting for him and that it's half of what he used to shoot every month because of the prices.

Yeah, I admit I tend to jump to conclusions and assume those guys are just buying it to hoard it or sell it for a profit.

I haven't seen 22LR (or Short) since November.

You and me both... although I have not been trying to time my search with restocking arrivals.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: RacinRob on July 31, 2013, 08:47:20 PM
Got 300 CCI Mini Mags at Walmart tonight!  8) I think they got a case of solids and hollow points.  I think that most of the cases were gone in an hour.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mithgar50 on July 31, 2013, 08:49:30 PM
Still seeing about the same as last post in local Wal Mart.  Small quantities of most rifle ammo and .40 and .45 pistol ammo on the shelf most of the time now in small quantities.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on July 31, 2013, 09:40:17 PM
Before people bitch at the guy in front of them buying 1,000 rounds they might consider that its only a month's worth of shooting for him and that it's half of what he used to shoot every month because of the prices.

People bitch'n about a guy doing what they would have done had they the diligence he had are noth'n but bitches that don't deserve to have it.  It's still a free country and rewards should go to the guy who works for what he wants. . .  Buy it when you find it, buy it ALL.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on August 01, 2013, 11:14:23 AM
People bitch'n about a guy doing what they would have done had they the diligence he had are noth'n but bitches that don't deserve to have it.  It's still a free country and rewards should go to the guy who works for what he wants. . .  Buy it when you find it, buy it ALL.

Last time I bought primers, I took roughly half of what the store had.  Part of the excuse for not grabbing them all - they weren't my favorite brand/style.  No reason do deprive several other customers since I knew I had my fill for the next 4+ months.

Obviously that's my choice, and not any sort of rule for others.  If I was a competitive shooter and reloaded hundreds per week, I would have taken them all.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on August 01, 2013, 01:37:08 PM
Exactly. 

Before people bitch at the guy in front of them buying 1,000 rounds they might consider that its only a month's worth of shooting for him and that it's half of what he used to shoot every month because of the prices.

That's only two days at the range for me in the weeks leading up to a competition
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FrugalFannie on August 02, 2013, 04:35:11 AM
reloading components are showing up.

No 22
No 9MM
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Louisiana Suvivor on August 02, 2013, 04:37:11 AM
It's so strange reading y'all going to Walmart for ammo. Ever since Katrina the greater New Orleans area wallmarts don't carry ammo. We get it from local shops and stores like academy. Still have wide varieties. Not seeing shortages anymore.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on August 03, 2013, 11:28:25 AM
yesterday at walmart:
only had 6 '500rd bricks' of 22LR ($7)
none of: .38, 9, 40



and yes I bought a brick of 22LR
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PorcupineKate on August 03, 2013, 12:05:00 PM
My back order of CCI mini mag .22 lr arrived.  I ordered it from Midway USA in December 2012.   I just wish I had ordered more of it....
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on August 03, 2013, 12:33:21 PM
  I was at the gun show today. Best price for 22LR was $40 for a box of 525. CCI mini mags were $16 a 100. Pistol primers were $40 a brick of CCI's. Winchester 9 1/2 (?) LR mag. primers were $40 a 900 (one was missing.) 9 mm reloads $16/ 50. Some .380's and 32's. Lots of 40 , 45 acp's , 223 and 308's.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: SloSheepdog on August 05, 2013, 07:23:14 PM
$25/100 rounds both 12ga and 20ga at Walmart. Hmm... Now that's a price I've not seen in a long time. A long time.

(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u370/85huhwhat/TSP/166B1A13-AD94-4F5B-AEA3-F2E2A28742DD-321-0000001EDA188B68.jpg)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on August 05, 2013, 07:42:52 PM
yesterday at walmart:
only had 6 '500rd bricks' of 22LR ($7)
none of: .38, 9, 40



and yes I bought a brick of 22LR

Hootie, is that a typo?  Are you saying seven dollars for a brick of .22LR?  Or should it be seventeen dollars for a brick?  Doth mine eyes deceive me?  That HAS to be either a typo or a mistake by Walmart. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cmxterra on August 05, 2013, 08:25:34 PM
Hootie, is that a typo?  Are you saying seven dollars for a brick of .22LR?  Or should it be seventeen dollars for a brick?  Doth mine eyes deceive me?  That HAS to be either a typo or a mistake by Walmart.

Yes.. do tell. ::car keys in hand::
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on August 05, 2013, 09:55:03 PM
Yes.. do tell. ::car keys in hand::

Hootie, is that a typo?  Are you saying seven dollars for a brick of .22LR?  Or should it be seventeen dollars for a brick?  Doth mine eyes deceive me?  That HAS to be either a typo or a mistake by Walmart. 

no typo.... $7 for CCI 500rd 22rl plinking ammo
To be honest I don't own a 22, but can you blame me for buying a brick at that price...


Seen in WI  at Walmart.
- 1 box of 40 S&W  (50rd tulammo brand)
- every other caliber gone...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BlueHound on August 05, 2013, 10:02:18 PM
no typo.... $7 for CCI 500rd 22rl plinking ammo
To be honest I don't own a 22, but can you blame me for buying a brick at that price...

This is a joke, right?  If not, someone may lose their job over that  :-\
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on August 06, 2013, 07:36:25 AM
yeah, someone mispriced that 22... i would have bought all 6 because that was better than pre shortage pricing
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on August 06, 2013, 07:37:59 AM
Sorry...  read the receipt wrong.

it was 100rd of 22LR for $7

forgive my 22lr newbie mistake.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on August 06, 2013, 07:58:05 AM
Sorry...  read the receipt wrong.

it was 100rd of 22LR for $7

forgive my 22lr newbie mistake.

that sounds more like it. you are no ordered to go buy a 22lr firearm and learn about it so you never tease us like this again
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on August 06, 2013, 10:01:16 AM
lol, NP.
For the curious......

I brick is generally considered to be 500 rounds, although modern day packaging and marketing has presented many variations.

I "brick" was once upon a time a box in which 10 smaller boxes each contained 50 rounds all stacked neatly and organized.  As a kid, I would open the brick, pull out a couple of small boxes of 50, stuff them in my pocket with a grin and head toward the nearest prairie dog town with my dad's single shot .22lr (who knows what brand) rifle that he purchased at a pawn shop for $20.   This was in the mid 80s.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Crazy Fox on August 06, 2013, 11:18:31 AM
I "brick" was once upon a time a box in which 10 smaller boxes each contained 50 rounds all stacked neatly and organized.  As a kid, I would open the brick, pull out a couple of small boxes of 50, stuff them in my pocket with a grin and head toward the nearest prairie dog town with my dad's single shot .22lr (who knows what brand) rifle that he purchased at a pawn shop for $20.   This was in the mid 80s.

Now let's see how it works today:

Store shelves are bare and selling to minors is often prohibited, so most "bricks" are plastic sandwich bags containing 500 loose rounds (plus or minus 10). Bricks are mostly sold at gun shows for $90, so a kid might buy several at once. Upon returning home, they stuff a dozen in their pocket with a grin and head toward the nearest prairie dog town. On the way, a neighbor spots him and calls the police to report an armed gunman in the area.

The kid is hauled off under armed guard and his Dad brought in since that single shot .22lr rifle (which he purchased at a gun shop for $200... plus $75 in mandatory fees) was illegally stored in an unlocked closet and the prairie dog town was a protected "threatened wildlife sanctuary." People believe that only a future mass shooter would need to buy over 1000 rounds of ammo at a time, so the kid goes to court ordered therapy and is watched for several years. On the news that night, a politician says the incident proves that a "national discussion" is needed to "keep these kids safe."

How times change!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: alan123 on August 06, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
Sad but true!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Koldsteel on August 06, 2013, 05:17:30 PM
Now let's see how it works today:

Store shelves are bare and selling to minors is often prohibited, so most "bricks" are plastic sandwich bags containing 500 loose rounds (plus or minus 10). Bricks are mostly sold at gun shows for $90, so a kid might buy several at once. Upon returning home, they stuff a dozen in their pocket with a grin and head toward the nearest prairie dog town. On the way, a neighbor spots him and calls the police to report an armed gunman in the area.

The kid is hauled off under armed guard and his Dad brought in since that single shot .22lr rifle (which he purchased at a gun shop for $200... plus $75 in mandatory fees) was illegally stored in an unlocked closet and the prairie dog town was a protected "threatened wildlife sanctuary." People believe that only a future mass shooter would need to buy over 1000 rounds of ammo at a time, so the kid goes to court ordered therapy and is watched for several years. On the news that night, a politician says the incident proves that a "national discussion" is needed to "keep these kids safe."

How times change!

Don't forget about the Dad. He gets 5-10 years with good behavior for contributing to the delinquency of a minor.


In Shreveport, Wal Mart shelves are bare except for .22 shotshells and shotgun ammo. Academy gets a little but there is a line Thursday mornings that buys everything out when the doors open. A little Eley .22, few 45ACP, few 9mm, very little 380 and 5.56.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: lowland farmer on August 06, 2013, 07:13:43 PM
I ordered 2,000 rds of 7.62X39 from Sportsman’s Guide back in January. They kept kicking back the shipping date. Well, today I got an email telling me they have finally shipped it. The price was $220 something/1,000 rds. It hurts to pay that when I still have about 18,000 rds of the stuff I bought for about $67/1,000-rd- case back in the 90s. But even with that much in reserve, the ammo shortage was forcing me to cut back on shooting to prevent running out over the next few years. Gone are the days of burning through 500 rds in one shooting session at the range. Cheap ammo for training was one reason for going with the AK in the first place.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on August 06, 2013, 08:41:33 PM
I ordered 2,000 rds of 7.62X39 from Sportsman’s Guide back in January. They kept kicking back the shipping date. Well, today I got an email telling me they have finally shipped it. The price was $220 something/1,000 rds. It hurts to pay that when I still have about 18,000 rds of the stuff I bought for about $67/1,000-rd- case back in the 90s. But even with that much in reserve, the ammo shortage was forcing me to cut back on shooting to prevent running out over the next few years. Gone are the days of burning through 500 rds in one shooting session at the range. Cheap ammo for training was one reason for going with the AK in the first place.

I know folks that are AK-74 (5.45x39) fans.  Just a few years ago they had a favorable argument regarding the cheap ammo.  There's some historical precedence for executive actions blocking imports, and that concerns me for foreign milsurp ammo.  Today I'd rather be stuck buying over priced, but available ammo compared to the alternative.  I'm not sure that any domestic manufacturer is making it, nor have I see reloading dies or even brass cases in that caliber.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: lowland farmer on August 06, 2013, 09:08:19 PM
I know folks that are AK-74 (5.45x39) fans.  Just a few years ago they had a favorable argument regarding the cheap ammo.  There's some historical precedence for executive actions blocking imports, and that concerns me for foreign milsurp ammo.  Today I'd rather be stuck buying over priced, but available ammo compared to the alternative.  I'm not sure that any domestic manufacturer is making it, nor have I see reloading dies or even brass cases in that caliber.

Some people reload AK ammo, but it cost more to reload than to buy steel-cased ammo from Russia (the bullet alone costs more). One reason I bought so much back in the 90s was to have enough in case the import of that ammo was ever banned. The only reason I ordered 2,000 more was to have a little extra, though I think I have enough to last the rest of my life -- IF I don't shoot as much as I used to. The brass and other reloading supplies for 7.62X39 are just as available as any other caliber. Certainly, I have a lot more stored away than most people shoot in a lifetime, and most of my life is behind me.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on August 06, 2013, 09:54:43 PM
Some people reload AK ammo, but it cost more to reload than to buy steel-cased ammo from Russia (the bullet alone costs more). One reason I bought so much back in the 90s was to have enough in case the import of that ammo was ever banned. The only reason I ordered 2,000 more was to have a little extra, though I think I have enough to last the rest of my life -- IF I don't shoot as much as I used to. The brass and other reloading supplies for 7.62X39 are just as available as any other caliber. Certainly, I have a lot more stored away than most people shoot in a lifetime, and most of my life is behind me.

Sorry if I digressed into 5.45x39mm, while your post was clearly regarding 7.62x39mm
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bennington1776 on August 06, 2013, 10:49:18 PM
Found some 40 cal FMJ this past weekend.  Limited to one box, but better than nothing.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mortgageboss on August 07, 2013, 07:28:30 AM
Lately, I've been scoring .22lr and 5.56mm at the local Sportsman's Warehouse.  I have a couple of FB friends who do the wait at the door for opening thing, buy their ration and then put it out of FB.  I work not too far from Sportsman's, so I can run down whenever they have what I need.

They seem to be getting a more steady supply this summer.  7.62x39 wolf is 5.99 a box and they always seem to have it.  I know its not the .08 per round we got spoiled with, but its not overly expensive. 

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on August 09, 2013, 09:33:35 AM
Gun's galore is now out of .380, but still has some of everything else. Willmans Gun Sight has some of everything, but limits it to 5 boxes for most of the ammo or one box of 9 mm,40, 45acp and 38 sp. 2 boxs of 22lr/50 per box.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on August 15, 2013, 01:23:55 PM
While the shelves looked kind of bare and not much varity in brands, there was some of each caliber.
maybe this shortage is coming to an end...  This is what the shelf looked like as I left

I am seeing at Walmart (Wisconsin):
- 5 boxes of 9mm (50rd)
- 3 boxes of 40S&W (100rd)
- 2 boxes of 40S&W (250rd)
- 4 boxes of 45 (50rd)
- 2 boxes of 45 (100rd)
- 1 box    of 45 (250rd)
- No 22


right as i was leaving I saw a cart of ammo being wheeled to the ammo shelf... almost made me turn around and get greedy, but i left it for the next guy...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on August 15, 2013, 02:02:35 PM
Bi-Mart in rural Oregon is the bees knees folks.

Last weekend we were on a road trip along US97.  Bi-Mart had CCI primers in most configurations with a 100/day limit.
Perhaps more interesting, they had .22lr match grade in 50rnd boxes for $3.97, with a 200rnd daily limit.

Every 30 miles or so I'd pull off and get myself another box of primers for $3.99 + no state sales tax. 

Thank you Orgeon!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Fixit on August 15, 2013, 02:10:27 PM
 Can say the ammo shortage has hurt me much except for the price increases . Have a good friend that has been in the ammo retail side for over 30 years . The supply has gotten low but I could always get what I want before it hit the sales counter . There are things I supply him with so it makes for a good working relationship.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on August 15, 2013, 03:14:58 PM
sportsmans is starting to actually stock the ammo on the shelves again, and wal-mart had some 9mm on the shelf, along with some other stuff. still pretty sparse around tucson.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BlueHound on August 15, 2013, 03:23:07 PM
The shelves at the Walmart in Kennesaw, GA, are still bare.  No handgun ammo at all.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: spooky-1 on August 18, 2013, 08:18:02 PM
just scored 420 rounds of 5.56 and 250 rounds of .40 S&W for $286 even at an archery shop in south IL! great find
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on August 18, 2013, 08:24:24 PM
I've had the hardest time finding 9mm ammo and finally found some for target shooting and at a decent price.  Walmart had Winchester 115g FMJ for $24.97/100.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: A Pawn on August 18, 2013, 08:35:40 PM
I was checking out the local Wal Mart ammo counter today and found a new sign had been put up. They now only sell ammo 4 days a week. Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday and not before 8 am. Still limited to 3 boxes per purchase... 

8) Take it easy...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bennington1776 on August 18, 2013, 08:50:58 PM
Interesting?  :zombie:
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on August 19, 2013, 08:09:57 AM
Haven't been on in a month or so but nothing has changed here. Wallyworld still only has 12 and 20ga shot and slugs(sabots) and 7mm, 8mm, and a box or 2 of other assorted rifle "hunting" calibers.  Local gun stores are getting better though with quite a bit of larger pistol rounds and common hunting rounds for my area like 308, 3006, 35rem, 35w ,45-70, 7/8mm, 54r and so on.  Prices are OK and unchanged on most of those rounds. No .22Lr/.223/7.62x39 except 1 day a week and they don't last past opening. If your a reloader, my local store is stocked to the roof with reloading equip and supplies.

All in all its pretty much the same crap different day/week/month  :) 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on August 19, 2013, 09:18:24 AM
Visited Cabelas in Kansas City this weekend.  They have lots of everything (including .223) except .22LR bricks.  They do have 100 round trays of .22LR
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Crazy Fox on August 19, 2013, 09:56:12 AM
Just out of curiosity, has anybody checked the availability at either of the 2 new Cabela's in the Denver area?

I'd like to go, but seeing as they opened last week I think I'll hold off until they get time to settle down and restock.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: iam4liberty on August 24, 2013, 01:56:13 PM
Pleasant surprise at our Walmart (Southern Indiana) this morning.  30ish boxes of 40 S&W ammo of various flavors, 10 boxes of 45, 10 boxes of 380, 5 boxes of 32, and 3 boxes of 9mm steel cased TULAMMO.  Still no rifle ammo at all.  Only rimfire on the shelves was CCI 22LR shotshell.  There were cases of 12, 20, and 410 ammo and the attendant told me there was more in back as they are starting to get in their seasonal hunting orders.  There was also blackpowder substitute and caps galore. In fact, the blackpowder section is now about twice as big as it used to be. 

There is a three box limit so I only picked up the 9mm at $10.47 per box of 50.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Crazy Fox on August 24, 2013, 02:05:47 PM
After months of casually looking for (and failing to find) reasonable .22LR, today I picked up 555 rounds for $28 at Cabela's in Thornton, CO.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: shambo on August 24, 2013, 05:01:36 PM
After months of casually looking for (and failing to find) reasonable .22LR, today I picked up 555 rounds for $28 at Cabela's in Thornton, CO.
you must have got there early.  The sales guy says they are cleaned out in powder and 22's first thing every day.  I was there today at about noon.  No 22's  They did  have a lot of other ammo short of nine mm and 22's. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: garysco on August 25, 2013, 01:52:00 AM
Went to Bass Pro Shop in Manteca, CA (central valley) and the shelves were empty except for some .308, shotgun and odd ball calibers. The gun display case was pretty sad as well, about 1/3 full.  I asked about a Kahr P45. After laughing the sales guy said he had one a few weeks ago, but no idea on when any more such guns would be in.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BassManNate on August 25, 2013, 05:15:32 AM
Yeah, shotgun ammo seems to be the one thing that everyone has boatloads of around here. The Wal-Mart near me had the entire bottom shelf in the locked case full of shotgun ammo as well as a few shelves on an end cap filled.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Taylor3006 on August 25, 2013, 06:44:29 AM
Yeah, shotgun ammo seems to be the one thing that everyone has boatloads of around here. The Wal-Mart near me had the entire bottom shelf in the locked case full of shotgun ammo as well as a few shelves on an end cap filled.

Lots of birdshot around here, decent shotshells (slugs, buckshot) can be tuff to find at our Walmart. Took a month for them to have some stuff worth buying for self defense. Pretty cool, Winchester PDX1 Defenders at $1.50 a round. They are made up of a 1oz rifled slug with 3 00 buck pellets. The local gun shop has lots of ammo but at the prices they are asking, they can keep it. They have 00 buck in the 3" mag loads for $12 a box of 5 rounds.... They must buy them retail then double the price to sell...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: PrepperJim on August 25, 2013, 02:51:04 PM
I went to Academy in Houston / Westheimer and Hwy 6 and .223 was on the shelf and readily available. I picked up 200 rounds @ $0.45 / round. That is the lowest price and most availability I've seen. There was no limit.

They had many other common calibers. The only products with limits were 9 mm and .22. They had no .22 and only high priced 9 mm so I took a pass.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on August 25, 2013, 03:48:32 PM
I picked up 1,000 rds of 7.62x39 Tula 124 gr HP (8M3 bullet) from Midway last week.  They also had more of the new Nosler .224" 64 gr bonded SP bullets (components).  I also got some W231 powder and some Vit N110 and 3N37 powders from Wideners.  Local shops are still pretty slim pickings, like none.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: fzrspirit on August 25, 2013, 07:29:13 PM
2 walmarts within 30 minutes from me:

walmart #1 has had most everything since May except 9mm and .22lr. Today they had a variety of .40 and .45 (Remington UMC, Winchester, Federal) which they usually only have PPU  in .40 and 1 brand of .45 at any given time.

walmart #2 has had absolutely nothing but shotgun shells all year until today. They had several boxes of .40 and .45  as well as the normal shotgun shells.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Medicineball on August 25, 2013, 08:51:48 PM
I guess it had to happen - 22lr at my local Walmart has exactly DOUBLED in price.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on August 25, 2013, 10:18:03 PM
No common rifle ammo. No .22. The guy went and got the 6 boxes of rem 223 off the truck and gave me 3. And it is up to $.50/rd. He says the price hikes are temporary. Walmart is sick of having bare shelves and playing got ammo games day in day out. I might give in and do some restocking at internet prices.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on August 27, 2013, 08:52:12 AM
At this point I would support major retailers like Walmart, etc. to increase prices to a point where inventory remains.  Let that marinate for 4-6 weeks with the hoarders, then gradually decrease the price until a healthy equilibrium is reached.

A local ranch supply store had PMC 55gr .223 for $11.99.  They had a decent supply of it too.  I considered grabbing a couple boxes, but instead got some premium defensive pistol ammo. 
Believe me, if I had to choose between no inventory and inflated prices - at least I get to make a choice with the high prices.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on August 27, 2013, 09:39:22 PM
Found some pretty decent prices on ammo at AmmunitionToGo.  Picked up some whitebox Win Bonded 180 gr .40S&W for about $28/50 (basically brass cased PDX1 from LE overflow) and some 64 gr Speer LE Gold Dot .223 for just over $20/20.  Cabela's had under $30/20 for .40 and .45ACP Win PDX1. I don't shoot the premium stuff much but every once and in while I need to top off the supply even though I handload 99% of what I shoot in practice.

 Natchezss.com has good selection of primers in stock.  Around $38/1,000 but at least there are some available in most sizes.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on August 30, 2013, 01:02:41 PM
I don't shoot the premium stuff much but every once and in while I need to top off the supply even though I handload 99% of what I shoot in practice.

Same deal with me, but you should always have some amount of quality commercial rounds.  Not only are there legal considerations for CCW, but the barter/resell value will always far outweigh even your best handloads.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on August 30, 2013, 01:29:25 PM
sporsmans was pretty bare, but then their truck comes tomorrow, so i'm sure they were picked clean throughout the week.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Call on September 01, 2013, 09:37:13 AM
Prices here in Southern Ontario (Toronto/Hamilton area) are ticking up slightly but supplies are virtually uninterrupted. No idea how we continue to get ammo and those in the U.S. cannot, maybe it is just a lot more gun owners chasing a limited supply down your way.

Below you can see the prices (in CDN dollars, which is equal to the U.S. dollar now) I paid this weekend for 525 round boxes of .22LR; the smaller box in the bottom left is for a 50 round box.

By contrast, earlier this year I paid $22.00 for 500 box of Remington .22LR. So a slight increase in prices has occurred (about +10%), but no shortages in my local LGS.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a8ef5b669482cc5600596fb20981acbc/tumblr_msgdsx88Km1s0bqrao1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 01, 2013, 10:24:40 AM
Yesterday Sportsmans Warehouse in Federal Way, WA had all sorts of .223/5.56, including 62gr, VMax, Fed xm855 bulk packs, etc.

I got a couple boxes of American Eagle, just to "get something", but wasn't thrilled to pay $10/box.

They also had NATO 7.62, 7.62x54R and 7.62x39mm all in bulk quantities.

Primers were down to large pistol and large rifle varieties.  And they literally had 6 bottles of smokeless powder for oddball applications.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on September 01, 2013, 10:45:08 AM
On a business trip last week, I visited "http://www.jrshootingsports.com/ (http://www.jrshootingsports.com/)" in Aurora, IL.  They had lots of ammo of every caliber, except .22LR.  When I asked about .22LR, they said that they had bricks of 550 rounds that morning and sold the last six boxes.  They sold for $59 per brick/box.

I did not know what to expect in the state of Illinois, but I was rather impressed with the size and the supplies in this store.  They carry rifles, pistols, archery and reloading supplies. This store also has an indoor pistol range. IMO, prices were about 10%-15% higher than they should be for supplies and closer to 20% higher than average on pistols.  But perhaps this is because of the state laws and regulations which increase operating costs.  I don't know.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nimzy88 on September 02, 2013, 12:13:08 AM
In Vegas at the shop they actually are seeing prices stabilize. They had 250k of .22 in but it all got flipped to a different retailer. We have PMC .40 in for around 360/1k and American Eagle in the 380/1k range.  We also have lots of cases of .45 and of course the 12ga slugs.

The gun shelves are back to pre 12/12 levels.


The most difficult caliber I have heard is for the Mosins the 7.62x54r which we have a number of crates full of priced at sub-200. Its not that fun when we sell one but don't have the ammo to go with it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bradbn4 on September 03, 2013, 09:22:18 AM
On a nice trip to Wisconsin and I stopped in a local Fleet Farm store and they did have a fair amount of ammo in stock.

No 22lr - but a bunch of spam can style Russian ammo could be found.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FrugalFannie on September 04, 2013, 05:22:49 PM
Prices here in Southern Ontario (Toronto/Hamilton area) are ticking up slightly but supplies are virtually uninterrupted. No idea how we continue to get ammo and those in the U.S. cannot, maybe it is just a lot more gun owners chasing a limited supply down your way.

Below you can see the prices (in CDN dollars, which is equal to the U.S. dollar now) I paid this weekend for 525 round boxes of .22LR; the smaller box in the bottom left is for a 50 round box.

By contrast, earlier this year I paid $22.00 for 500 box of Remington .22LR. So a slight increase in prices has occurred (about +10%), but no shortages in my local LGS.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a8ef5b669482cc5600596fb20981acbc/tumblr_msgdsx88Km1s0bqrao1_500.jpg)

Last box of Remington 22 bulk (525 rounds) I bought it was $35.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on September 05, 2013, 05:45:38 AM
It 7:45am and MidwayUSA has rem thunderblt 500cont instock right now. May only last a few min but heres a heads up.  20$ + 19.99 shipping. Price sucks but you know.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 05, 2013, 11:37:35 AM
I got 3 unopened bricks of federal and about a dozen 100packs of various CCI mini-mags.

I don't yet have the urgency to pay a premium for .22lr, but at some point I might need to.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on September 05, 2013, 01:28:48 PM
Midwayusa still has what I would call reasonable prices given the state of things and their notification system works quite well...but...they have a 1 per limit and its 19.99 shipping on that 1 item. It hurts but 1, 1000rnd box a month isn't that bad. They seem to get winchester and Remington ammo in regularly but it sells out in less than 5min usually.  Eh, it is what it is these days. I refuse to stop shooting though and i own an awful lot of .22 rifles that need lovin :) Plus I have an appleseed event to attend in 3 weeks.

I got 3 unopened bricks of federal and about a dozen 100packs of various CCI mini-mags.

I don't yet have the urgency to pay a premium for .22lr, but at some point I might need to.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ttubravesrock on September 05, 2013, 01:55:27 PM
where are the best online sources for ammo?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on September 05, 2013, 03:18:13 PM
where are the best online sources for ammo?

what you looking for?

http://www.bulkammo.com
9mm = $0.33/rnd
40sw = $0.31/rnd
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ttubravesrock on September 05, 2013, 03:36:33 PM
what you looking for?

http://www.bulkammo.com
9mm = $0.33/rnd
40sw = $0.31/rnd

.22 LR
.22 Short
.22 Magnum
.45-70
12 ga

That covers all of my guns.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ADKwarrior on September 06, 2013, 10:30:59 AM
http://www.gunbot.net/
I use Midwayusa.com but the above website is a great reference point. For 12ga nobody can beat Wallmart from what ive seen.

You can check one of these but they are all the same company from what ive seen online:
Lucky Gunner, Ammo.net, BulkAmmo.com, AmmoforSale.com, GunsForSale.com, and Military Ballistic Industries.

.22 LR
.22 Short
.22 Magnum
.45-70
12 ga

That covers all of my guns.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: fzrspirit on September 06, 2013, 07:32:26 PM
For 12ga nobody can beat Walmart from what ive seen.


Not to get too far off topic but can anyone beat walmart on ammo prices? The only prices I've seen better than walmart were online--until shipping was factored in. For common ammo (.22lr, 9mm, .40, .45, .223 etc) even the local gun shops can't get close.

Back on topic:
Stopped at a walmart about 100 miles away since I had to travel for work, they had everything but 9mm and .22lr on the shelves. Even had some 7.62x39 and .223
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Skunkeye on September 08, 2013, 10:34:06 AM
I doubt anyone can get close to Wal-Mart's prices, just like in most other areas.  They buy in ridiculous volumes, so they get much better prices from the manufacturers.  Your local gun shop buys ammo by the crate, Wal-Mart buys it by the boxcar.  Even the big sporting goods and outdoors chain stores don't buy in the volumes that Wal-Mart can.

I still don't buy much ammo from Wal-Mart, though.  I'd rather support the local shops whenever I can.  I figure I'd rather keep the local guys in business rather than save a dollar on a box of ammo.  But with ammo the way it is right now, I'll buy it anywhere I can (that has reasonable prices), and that includes Wal-Mart.

Pro tip for folks buying from Midway USA:  look in their "Free Shipping" section.  There are a number of small items that are usually under $10 or so.  The way their system works, if you add a free shipping item to an order, they will deduct whatever the shipping cost of that item would have been from your shipping cost.  So, you buy a brick of .22LR.  The shipping on that alone is $16.  Add in a $10 pocketknife or pair of pocket binoculars from the free shipping section, and the shipping is reduced to $6.  You still pay the same total price, but at least you're getting something for your money rather than just paying shipping.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Rangeboss on September 08, 2013, 11:17:21 AM
I run several shooting programs. Federal has always been a big supporter of youth programs but even that ammo had dried up. Federal said that .22 ammo, which they sold to these programs for $16.50/500, was put on hold during the shortage. They stopped making .22 and focused on the big money, 9mm, .45 and .223, which was out of control.

They were told that youth programs across the country wer going to go extinct, if there was no ammo. My programs had enjoyed semi auto .22 rifles and handguns, shot on resettable target racks and was a lot of fun. We had money, but could not find ammo. I was down to only putting out single shot rifles and single action pistols with metered ammo just to preserve my dwindling supply. 

Federal listened. They activated 5% of their production for .22 only for these programs. It took 4 month to bring it together, but they delivered on their promise. .22 ammo, $16.50/500 plus shipping. The pallet of 55,000 rounds arrived just in time. We hold a Family Fun Shoot every year, open to the public where people can come out, get some safety instructiong and shoot a wide variety of firearms and calibers. Federal saved that event from being greatly downsized.

It proved that manufacturers are responsible for the .22 shortage by focusing on the high dollar calibers. That is supply and demand. It also shows that, at least Federal, understand unintended consequences, and did the right thing to keep a portion of this younger generation involved.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on September 08, 2013, 08:09:13 PM
Supplies were much better at Academy here yesterday.

Really the only thing they didn't have was .22. The only thing still being rationed was 9mm.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on September 08, 2013, 08:52:04 PM
Was shopping at Bi-Mart this afternoon and was stunned to see some ammo on the shelf again.  Everything is limited to two apiece per customer.
- Liberty 5.56 55 gr for $8.99/box (lots!)
- 100 rd value box of WWB 9mm
- 50 rds of WWB .40 for $20
- Lots of 17 HRM but no .22LR
- two value packs of Remington UMC 250 rds .380 auto

Left over ammo was for .30-30 (several boxes), .300 WM, .300 Savage, .41 mag and a few others.

They had one lonely box of small pistol and small pistol magnum primers and selling two sleeves (2x100) at a time.  I did pick up a couple fo boxes of .430" 300 gr XTP bullets and some #6 field loads for 12 ga. (about twice the cost of just a year ago but I ran dry).
Zilch powder.  A small amount of Siearra, Banes and Nosler bullets but thin on Hornady.

Overall, the most I have seen in months at this store but still sparse.  At least if you need some they have it, just not in great quantity.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: BassManNate on September 10, 2013, 08:40:54 PM
I have to say that the last few posts are getting encouraging. I look forward to the day that this thread gets buried in the forum.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on September 10, 2013, 10:59:44 PM
went to wally world today, they actually had some 50rnd boxes of sub sonic 22lr, nothing else though, 556 and 223 was available.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 11, 2013, 10:52:53 AM
I'm setup to start loading .223/5.56 save for powder.  I've got the dies, brass, primers and some bullets.

It's been 9+ months since I could locally find a suitable rifle powder.  I'm considering using trailboss even though I don't expect it to cycle the bolt.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TwoCorOne8b11 on September 11, 2013, 11:38:53 AM
Seeing plenty of 45 & 40. NO 38 special except RN and they only just got that. Plenty of rifle and shotgun shells. 22? Hahaha... Haven't seen a brick since before election. This is in Tennessee. 9 is hard to find but does turn up.

Two Cor
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on September 11, 2013, 05:23:11 PM
I'm setup to start loading .223/5.56 save for powder.  I've got the dies, brass, primers and some bullets.

It's been 9+ months since I could locally find a suitable rifle powder.  I'm considering using trailboss even though I don't expect it to cycle the bolt.

Powder Valley as 1# cans of Accurate 2460 which is suitable for the .223 (little faster than TAC, little slower than AA2230).

Natchez has Win748 in stock, which is around the same speed as BLC2 (excellent powder) and IMR4064. Even better they have IMR 3031, 4064, and 4198 in stock.  Out of all of those I would pick IMR 3031 and 4064 for the .223.

Or if you are in the Portland area any time I can give/sell/trade you some BLC2, H335, TAC (you can have that one), H4895, and/or Varget.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 12, 2013, 12:00:45 PM
I've been meaning to get some IMR4064 as it's extremely versatile.  Thus far I've been too cheap to place a large enough order to offset the hazmat charges.

A while back a dude at work, who's slightly of the "mall ninja" persuasion bought over 20# of random powders online.  This was around last Christmas when everything went to hell and the panic was in full swing.  He had no idea what he'd bought.  I happily took some jars of IMR TrailBoss off his hands.  The price was 20% higher than it should have been, but now I've got enough to load a few thousand powder puff rounds of .38spl.  I also have about 2k small pistol primers, and 20# of lead ignots. 

Unfortunately the "cowboy" components don't lend themselves to black rifles.  I'll ping you next time I head down toward PDX.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on September 15, 2013, 07:51:22 PM
Well, it was Sunday afternoon and I wandered into the local Walmart. Lo and behold, they had five 1000 rd. boxes of 5.56. It was even a fairly decent price, $447, so I snagged one. I haven't seen that in a while.

On the down side, they didn't have much of anything else.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on September 15, 2013, 08:14:36 PM
Today was the first time at my local walmart they had some handgun ammo the prices were higher but not outrageous! still not what they used to carry! Some tula 9mm but no usa ammo or value packs and still no 22 ammo :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: MississippiJarhead on September 16, 2013, 04:07:08 AM
I went by a local gun store and found .223 and 7.62x39 at reasonable prices. They had a small amount of premium .22lr for those that just need a little for hunting at the regular premium prices. Premium .300 Win and .30-'06 hunting ammo was available at their usual $40-$60 a 20 round box price range. Less prominent hunting calibers (such as 7mm-'08, .243, .30-30 & .35 Whelen) were much more readily available.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on September 16, 2013, 05:41:02 AM
Last week in Milwaukee WI:

Walmart: still a hit or miss, but cheap prices

Local Gun Range Store: strong supply, but prices 10% more expensive on average (reasonable prices)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: FrugalFannie on September 16, 2013, 03:00:07 PM
all ammo is back in stock but still kind of scarce. 22 is most scarce and federal is doing stuff like making boxes of 40 instead of 50 lately.

Components are also starting to show up. Mostly powder and primer, some bullets.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on September 16, 2013, 08:32:34 PM
I stumbled across a radio station in which they were discussing the ammo shortage.  (It was not AJ)  They said that FEMA or DHS was buying .22LR.  I had to scratch my head at that one.  What gov agency buys .22LR?  Anyone know?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on September 16, 2013, 08:39:27 PM
I stumbled across a radio station in which they were discussing the ammo shortage.  (It was not AJ)  They said that FEMA or DHS was buying .22LR.  I had to scratch my head at that one.  What gov agency buys .22LR?  Anyone know?

I usually hear about .gov conspiracies as they come out. Heard nothing about this. It is probably 5th hand rumor. Heck most of the actual ammo buy by the .gov is 5th hand rumor. I wouldn't put stock in it unless a source gets coughed up.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on September 17, 2013, 12:22:32 AM
Mea culpa!  I admit to hoarding today.   ;D

After watching the news on the DC shooting most of the day and hearing noise of "we need more gun laws" I got to thinking about my ammo supplies in a new light.  I have everything pretty much in abundance as I have been replacing what I shoot when the opportunity arises.  And we are just now starting to see more supplies come back on the shelves.  I was pretty happy with my stock levels.  And I know it is a VERY SLIM chance that any more gun laws will be passed.

BUT...

I just do not trust our govt at all any more.  Just that small chance some thing will happen to tilt the scales in the favor of the gun grabbers I reviewed my reloading stocks while out working up some loads for the .44 mag tonight.  The hardest thing to get when things go south are primers and powder.  I have plenty of powder and don't really want to store any more at the house.  But I am just above my restocking level for small rifle mag, large rifle, and large pistol primers.  So I went ahead and ordered some more of each from Natchez at inflated prices.  I'm not going to run out and double my ammo or bullet stocks, but I will feel a little more confident in my supplies with a few more thousand primers on hand.

My apologies for feeding the frenzy beast, but I at least tried to be selective about it.   ;) Does that count?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: fzrspirit on September 17, 2013, 04:33:04 PM
Saturday I took my normal morning trip to walmart. I almost didn't go near the ammo section because I don't even bother to look if I'm in a hurry. I wasn't in a hurry so I decided to check:

SCORE!
2 - 100 round boxes of Remington JHP .380 ($42.27)
1 - 100 round box of Federal FMJ 9mm ($22.47)

The last time I bought the Rem JHP in .380 it was $35 and that was maybe a year ago.
The last time I bought the Federal it was $20 and that was early this year.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on September 17, 2013, 04:59:49 PM
Last I was at Walmart, I scored 3 boxes of 225 .22 lr and 3 boxes of 100 .22 lr. I gave 1 one of the 225 boxes to the guy behind me since there were 4 total.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on September 17, 2013, 06:22:02 PM
Last I was at Walmart, I scored 3 boxes of 225 .22 lr and 3 boxes of 100 .22 lr. I gave 1 one of the 225 boxes to the guy behind me since there were 4 total.

+1 for your kindness inbox

boxes in quantity of 225?  Wow.  They are getting smaller and smaller, aren't they?  It seems like they started making them smaller in 2008, right after Hussein was first elected and they became scarce.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: garysco on September 26, 2013, 03:28:07 AM
I just got back from the Bass Pro Shops' in Manteca, CA. (central valley about 90 miles from San Francisco) Empty shelves except for some over priced odd calibers, lots of bird, dove & some 00 buck shotgun, and and 6 boxes of 50 x .45ACP Remington HP "training" type stuff @$40.00. The pistol case was also really really bare, except for a good selection of .22LR pistols. A fair number of regular hunting rifles and plenty of shotguns.

While there I hung around the sales counter and listened to the prospective buyers. All but 2 did not have a clue what they wanted or how to properly use the weapons even if they owned them. These were regular working class folks that are getting scared and want to buy something before registrations and bans.

The salesman said he spoke with CCI and Winchester, and they told him they are still making .22's by the millions, but people are now in the hoarding mode and buying them all up.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: sirosisofliver on September 26, 2013, 06:56:42 PM
Cabelas in Omaha is flush with .223/5.56.  PMC for 8.99/9.99 per 20 respectively.  About .50/rd for .223 is average there.  Their shelves were full of everthing, except .22LR (big surprise).  Wouldn't it be more effective to put a pistol grip and a flash hider on that Marlin 60?  THATS what makes a gun a killing machine.  I guess the people who  are hoarding .22LR have figured that out and are stocking up... ::)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on September 29, 2013, 07:06:44 PM
Yahoo my local walmart has ammo but you can only buy one box at a time! :wtf: I got fifty rounds of 22 CCI Standard velocity LR for $3.47  :o
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: konaexpress on September 30, 2013, 10:44:22 PM
Had to go look around after reading this thread.

Both Wallmarts only had 12, 20 and 410 shot shells. One of the guys told me they only get in a few boxes of 22 at a time and they are sold out 10 minutes after opening in the morning.


Wish I had a shotgun...

John
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on October 18, 2013, 09:39:32 PM
FOUND LOTS OF .22LR!!!!

This evening I found myself at Dick's Sports in Lee's Summit, MO.  They have lots of bricks (500 rounds) of CCI .22LR.  I picked up a box at $39.99.  The price stung a bit, but I was encouraged to see a supply of what appeared to be every caliber.  There were  two more bricks of CCI .22LR and I asked the guy if he had more.  He said that he had another dozen bricks in the back.  He said they would probably sell out on Sunday.  I noticed that he had several cases of 9mm.  He said that Dick's Sports corporate headquarters has put some pressure on Remington to ship them more product.  So you guys might want to see if there's an uptick in supply with them.  The guy working the counter said he has noticed less panic in customers and slightly more supply.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mxitman on October 18, 2013, 11:38:50 PM
I was looking for this thread the other day and couldn't find it. I have spent the last few weeks stopping by the various retailers around here, North of Seattle,WA. I found ay my 2 closest walmarts; Federal 100 rnd packs of 9mm and 45ACP, price on the 45 was $37. plenty of shotgun ammo and standard rifle too, 30-06 etc. They also had 5.56 and 7.62 but they weren't in bulk packs so the prices were higher.

And for the first time one of the guys working there knew when they had something coming in, he said they get a list on what's coming on the next night/week's truck...So I knew the next day they were getting in Winchester 45ACP.

Still no .22 anywhere around here for anything reasonable. Although I've been told from friends they have been lucky getting some at Big 5, I've yet to find it. Big 5 did have everything else pretty much but higher prices, bulk 100 pack of 45 for $57....

Cabela's had a decent selection of 5.56 and 7.62, and 9mm but not much for rimfire. Prices were a little higher than normal.

The best prices for ammo I saw outside of the gun shows was at Kesselrings in Burlington and was sad to see they no longer sell firearms and are catering to just accessories, ammo and reloading. They had 250 rnd packs of 45 for $89, and the largest selection of ammo I've seen in the last year+. If your in the area check them out for ammo. They also had boxes of AR15 mags for really cheap, $10-$15...magpul, aluminum 30 rounders....etc
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on October 19, 2013, 01:23:09 AM
Local wal mart had boxes of 40 &45 handgun ammo. Nothing in smaller calibers. A little rifle ammo too.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: cheryl1 on October 19, 2013, 05:50:16 AM
The last .22 ammo I saw was still $55 a box
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 19, 2013, 07:36:30 AM
Try shopping outside of major population centers.  Last weekend we drove out to eastern WA (walla walla) to visist some extended family on my wife's side.  I stopped by Bi-mart each day we were there and bought my limit of CCI primers and Titegroup.  It was hunting season, so the rifle components were picked over, but I stocked up on handgun stuff.

They did have match grade .22lr for about 4x more per round than my long time favoriate Federal Champion.  As I still have 5 bricks at home, I declined the fancy stuff.

Additionally the prices were far less than I'm used to seeing out here in Puget Sound. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: MississippiJarhead on October 20, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
At a nearby WalMart they had plenty of the $5 a box steel cased .223 ammo but they only allow three boxes per customer. I got three and was there the next day with the Wife and four month old. The fella let me, my Wife and my baby girl buy three each. Heckuva nice fella.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on October 20, 2013, 05:19:20 PM
stopped in wally world the other day and their shelves looked pretty good. they have doubles the prices on several items but and still limiting purchasers to one box/caliber, but they had half full shelves, which i haven't seen in months.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: shambo on October 20, 2013, 06:10:55 PM
I stopped in my local wally world and the shelves were full too.  All but .22s We were still limited to three boxes only per person per day.  I got three one hundred round  boxes of Winchester white box for 46 bucks per box. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Canadian Prepper on October 21, 2013, 01:09:53 AM
My two most recent trips to local gun shops would indicate that aside from a few items out of stock, and some goods like the bulk Norinco .223 going up from $350 per 1600a few months ago to $390 (plus 13% HST), that we've weathered the US ammo crisis fairly well. My biggest disappointment was to see the crates of Winchester #7 steel that had been advertised months earlier as going for $56 now priced at over $100, as we just got our first dove season in over fifty years.

I've never had trouble all year purchasing .22LR at before panic prices, which was probably just a tad higher than what they went for in the US, and was limited more by my budget than any shortage of ammunition. I suspect however that many Canadian shooters have amassed a larger reserve of ammunition than they might have normally carried before the crisis.

We're seeing the effects of the panic here more in terms of irregular shipments of rifles, and increased prices on some guns. New Ruger 10/22s have hardly been seen, and a Remington Tactical Shotgun that went for just under $360 with tax a few weeks before Sandy Hook was listed at the same establishment at about $499 plus 13% HST. Guns are selling well, and permits for authorization to transport handguns and restricted rifles (i.e. AR15s) to shooting clubs has gone up by 14% in Ontario alone. The possibility that the Conservatives might not win the 2015 elections seems to be fueling the trend, as people are either getting into restricted firearms, or buying non-restricted firearm that they fear might be reclassified in the future.   
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LICountryBoy on October 21, 2013, 10:36:32 AM
FOUND LOTS OF .22LR!!!!

This evening I found myself at Dick's Sports in Lee's Summit, MO.  They have lots of bricks (500 rounds) of CCI .22LR.  I picked up a box at $39.99.  The price stung a bit, but I was encouraged to see a supply of what appeared to be every caliber.  There were  two more bricks of CCI .22LR and I asked the guy if he had more.  He said that he had another dozen bricks in the back.  He said they would probably sell out on Sunday.  I noticed that he had several cases of 9mm.  He said that Dick's Sports corporate headquarters has put some pressure on Remington to ship them more product.  So you guys might want to see if there's an uptick in supply with them.  The guy working the counter said he has noticed less panic in customers and slightly more supply.

The Dick's stores near me have had everything except 30-30. They seem to sell out of that first for some reason and don't get it in as often.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on October 25, 2013, 10:53:52 AM
Our shop is out of 9mm fmj again.  We have managed to keep a little in stock for the past few months by limiting purchases, but we have had a couple weeks in a row without any again, and it took us down to 0.  Now it trickles in, but good .22 has been almost nonexistent for the last month or two (it was sparse before that, but would come in on occasion).  Our suppliers have warned us that there is another smaller wave of shortage coming.  I am noticing a little more on the shelves at Walmart though.  Not the really slim calibers so much, but at least something is staying on the shelves.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ag2 on October 25, 2013, 06:12:50 PM
What's the reason for "another smaller shortage wave"?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Skunkeye on October 25, 2013, 07:25:40 PM
Yeah, I'd be interested to hear what their reasoning for that is.  My guess would be hunting season...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on October 25, 2013, 10:17:47 PM
So, it has been a while that we have had $$ issues. I have "thousands"  of rounds or boxes or cases in stock. Zombie Aplocpics levels, just for fun. But I am felling greedy with my 9mm at the range, as it seems like I am driving a chromed out lambo when shooting, and even dirtier looks with .22.

Should I buy a .40? At the rate I like to shoot, and avliblility at price, .40 is about 25% cheaper, or about 7 months worth of a new GLOCK. Should I just restock at .40 and go that way?

Will the next ammo shortage be the same? .45 came back first in my local. I can get all the amo I can feed into my rifles at regular prices, shotgun also.

Typical shortage?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on October 26, 2013, 08:11:43 AM
Should I buy a .40? At the rate I like to shoot, and avliblility at price, .40 is about 25% cheaper, or about 7 months worth of a new GLOCK. Should I just restock at .40 and go that way?

I get that 22 and 9mm is hard to find. And that you are thinking of getting a 40sw gun. But little confused by what you mean by
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At the rate I like to shoot, and avliblility at price, .40 is about 25% cheaper, or about 7 months worth of a new GLOCK. Should I just restock at .40 and go that way?

Would you explain that a little more?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on October 29, 2013, 10:50:41 AM
No reasoning was given. I would guess that there will be a lot of small waves as the market fixes itself. As ammo becomes available, people who had given up looking will start restocking and run supplies down, etc. The big waves seem to be done for now, but it's only a matter of time until another news story hits us again.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inconel710 on October 29, 2013, 11:00:19 AM
I wanted to cry today.  Finally, after months of "just missing it", I found 22LR on the shelf at our base exchange.  Ten bulk pack boxes of it....and I couldn't buy it.  It was Remington Thunderbolt - the one brand my guns hate.  ARGGHH!!  Why couldn't it be Federal or CCI???  :'(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on October 30, 2013, 04:10:41 AM
I discovered that our local Fred Meyer is once again not only stocking ammo, but they even sell handguns and rifles as well!!  They got rid of the ammo shelf years ago so it was neat to see it come back much better than before.

OK, I caved and bought ammo from Gunbroker today!!  I have beau coup ammo but not one cartridge for .22WMR.  Planning to pick up a LCR in .22WMR for one of my daughters and could not find .22WMR anywhere locally or online except at gunbroker.  At least I was only humiliated in the privacy of my own home.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 30, 2013, 09:07:48 AM
I discovered that our local Fred Meyer is once again not only stocking ammo, but they even sell handguns and rifles as well!!  They got rid of the ammo shelf years ago so it was neat to see it come back much better than before.

OK, I caved and bought ammo from Gunbroker today!!  I have beau coup ammo but not one cartridge for .22WMR.  Planning to pick up a LCR in .22WMR for one of my daughters and could not find .22WMR anywhere locally or online except at gunbroker.  At least I was only humiliated in the privacy of my own home.
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Why is it that Fred Meyer stores in Puget Sound don't carry ammo/guns, but in OR, or even eastern WA they do?
Same deal with Bi-Mart.  I can go 3 hours in 2 different directions and find them, but not anywhere near Seattle.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on October 30, 2013, 09:15:57 AM
but not anywhere near Seattle.

Do you really have to ask?  ;) . . .  Some how firearms just don't go well with the metro look.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 30, 2013, 09:47:08 AM
Do you really have to ask?  ;) . . .  Some how firearms just don't go well with the metro look.

No kidding. 

A few months back I had to kill time in suburban Bellevue before a scout volunteer event in the area.  I was surprised to find a Walmart in the neighborhood, so I poked my head inside looking for ammo.  I could barely find camping gear, let alone any firearms.  I eventually found a store employee and asked where the firearms and ammo are, she responded "you're in Bellevue *pfft*", then rolled her eyes and stammered away.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on October 30, 2013, 10:33:05 AM
Do you really have to ask?  ;) . . .  Some how firearms just don't go well with the metro look.

Because Seattle is more commie than Portland!  If we had a beautiful huge Sound to play in we would have a bunch more people here too.  Not one decent place to go swimming in Washington County.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on October 30, 2013, 10:56:20 AM
Wal mart had a ton of 40 and 45 and rifle ammo. No 22, 38, or 9.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on November 01, 2013, 08:39:05 AM
No kidding. 

A few months back I had to kill time in suburban Bellevue before a scout volunteer event in the area.  I was surprised to find a Walmart in the neighborhood, so I poked my head inside looking for ammo.  I could barely find camping gear, let alone any firearms.  I eventually found a store employee and asked where the firearms and ammo are, she responded "you're in Bellevue *pfft*", then rolled her eyes and stammered away.

LOL, that sounds like it could have come directly out of Book 1 of 299 Days.   ;)

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 01, 2013, 10:13:47 AM
LOL, that sounds like it could have come directly out of Book 1 of 299 Days.   ;)

Yes. 

To quote Heavy G.

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[unfortunately] this shit is real
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on November 02, 2013, 02:05:34 PM
I finally found some CCI Mini-mag .22LR today, so I bought 1000 rds. The price wasn't too bad, $12.49 per 100. The guy behind me bought the last 800 rds. they had.

The clerk commented, "Well, that shipment lasted 14 hours. 12 of them, we were closed."
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Skunkeye on November 02, 2013, 02:52:26 PM
One thing I've noticed recently, that I take as a hopeful sign, is that some retailers are increasing or lifting their limits on how many boxes you can buy.  A couple of months ago, you wouldn't have been able to buy a thousand rounds, because most likely the store would have limited you to two or three boxes.  I assume that means the ammo is starting to flow well enough that the stores aren't afraid that each shipment will be the last one they see for six months anymore.

Other places are starting to take backorders on some of the ammo that they had previously not allowed, which is also a good sign.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on November 02, 2013, 04:12:07 PM
Yeah, it seems a lot of the limits have eased up. The last time I was in Academy, they were only restricting 9 mm and .22 LR. Of course, they didn't have any .22, so it was moot.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 02, 2013, 05:10:18 PM
Found some Hodgdon "Benchmark" rifle powder locally today.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mxitman on November 02, 2013, 10:27:24 PM
Happened to be by my local wallyworld today and checked the ammo shelf, and was amazed it was FULL, only thing missing was the 22LR...The lady said it was their biggest shipment of ammo in years. I even took a picture of it just to piss of my brother who lives an hour away and says there is no ammo by him.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on November 03, 2013, 01:38:18 AM
Most local shops and retailers such as Bi-Mart, Fred Meyer, and Coastal farm still have limited ammo on the shelf.  More than last year but still sparse.  But I did find that Keith's Sporting Goods in Gresham has a whole wall of ammo at reasonable prices.  I had just bought 500 rds of .22WMR CCI online for $230.  Found the exact same ammo at Keith's for $14/50 and they had several boxes of it.  I picked up three more just because.  Prices are still on on the high side from $18-$30/50 for basic centerfire pistol ammo, whereas it was $12-$15/50 before the last surge and shortage.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on November 03, 2013, 05:33:36 PM
Well, there were no limits on anything at Academy last night, but still no .22 LR and they had no .45-70.  :'(

I picked up another 100 rounds of 9 mm FMJ and a 120 round box of .45 acp for practice.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on November 04, 2013, 11:05:52 AM
Well, there were no limits on anything at Academy last night, but still no .22 LR


I officially dub the year 2013..."The Year without 22LR"..........flippin' ridiculous it is not back in quantities yet.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on November 05, 2013, 07:49:47 AM

I officially dub the year 2013..."The Year without 22LR"..........flippin' ridiculous it is not back in quantities yet.



yup, i've heard it comes around sometimes, but i never see it. what's killing me right now is the prices are still too high. i bought 1k of 9mm for $200 to my door. seeing 250 rounds for $100 makes me want to puke. i may have to just suck it up and accept that prices are going to be high for a while... :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: backwoods_engineer on November 05, 2013, 12:51:06 PM
yup, i've heard it comes around sometimes, but i never see it. what's killing me right now is the prices are still too high. i bought 1k of 9mm for $200 to my door. seeing 250 rounds for $100 makes me want to puke. i may have to just suck it up and accept that prices are going to be high for a while... :(

Oh, to see 20c a round for 9mm again.  Also, before the craze I was buying .223 for 30c a round.  Now, I can barely reload it for 31c a round, and that's only by picking up brass off the range.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 05, 2013, 01:33:50 PM
Oh, to see 20c a round for 9mm again.  Also, before the craze I was buying .223 for 30c a round.  Now, I can barely reload it for 31c a round, and that's only by picking up brass off the range.

I'm just now getting around to .223, and between the relative complexity of cartridge and the cost, I'm thinking it's a almost a waste of my time aside from premium match grade loads.

Local retail, the best .223 prices I can find are $8.99 for a 20rnd box of PMC.

Here's my recent reloading component (.223) list:

SR primers: $3.65/100 (~$0.04ea)
lbs powder: $26.50 (~$0.09ea)
55gr bullets: $11.99/100 (~$0.12ea)

That's $0.25 for plinking grade using bullets found on sale. 
When I step up to SMK 68gr, easily double the bullet cost.

While it's not practical without a lot of work, if I could successfully cast lead 55gr .223, that's 1 cent worth of lead per bullet based on what I pay for ingots.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Pathfinder on November 05, 2013, 02:10:09 PM
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Why is it that Fred Meyer stores in Puget Sound don't carry ammo/guns, but in OR, or even eastern WA they do?
Same deal with Bi-Mart.  I can go 3 hours in 2 different directions and find them, but not anywhere near Seattle.

For the same reason most of the big box stores that could sell firearms and/or ammo in and around Chicago do not. The only way they are allowed by the .gov to have their permits, etc., is if they agree not to stock the firearms/ammo.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on November 06, 2013, 01:38:01 AM
I'm just now getting around to .223, and between the relative complexity of cartridge and the cost, I'm thinking it's a almost a waste of my time aside from premium match grade loads.

Local retail, the best .223 prices I can find are $8.99 for a 20rnd box of PMC.

Here's my recent reloading component (.223) list:

SR primers: $3.65/100 (~$0.04ea)
lbs powder: $26.50 (~$0.09ea)
55gr bullets: $11.99/100 (~$0.12ea)

That's $0.25 for plinking grade using bullets found on sale. 
When I step up to SMK 68gr, easily double the bullet cost.

While it's not practical without a lot of work, if I could successfully cast lead 55gr .223, that's 1 cent worth of lead per bullet based on what I pay for ingots.

Powder Valley has Tula SR primers for $23.50/1,000, and Hornady 55 gr FMJ or SP bullets for $50/500, and H335 for $18.65/lb (get 10 lbs and with the $25 Hazmat fee that is about $21/lb).  That would reduce your current costs by $.05/rd. for a cost of $.20/rd total.  It will be a very long time before you find even 55 gr FMJ ammo selling for $200/1,000.  Right now it is closer to $400+/1,000 rds.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 06, 2013, 11:14:53 AM
True about buying in volume would wash out the hazmat fees.  I'm a bit new to reloading the cartridge, so I'm not absolutely certain what components are my favorite.  Once that's all squared away then I can seriously invest in ordering my preferred components in bulk.  I've never tried Tula primers, and am confident, but is that enough to order several thousand?

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: kdalton on November 07, 2013, 07:19:30 AM
No joy on 22LR in central West Virginia, but 9mm is becoming more plentiful. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inconel710 on November 07, 2013, 12:50:27 PM
I feel a little crazy for doing it, but Black Friday is coming early for me.  There's a new Big R (farm supply store) opening up here and I'll be camped outside for the grand opening.  I went inside during their soft opening and there were dozens, if not hundreds of boxes of 22lr.  They're not selling any yet - it's all for the grand opening this weekend.  Good stuff too - CCI Quiet 22 and HP. Some other brands as well.  They've got a full load of powder and primers as well.  Two boxes, per caliber, per customer.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on November 07, 2013, 02:29:41 PM
I stopped at Guns Galore today. Lots of hunting loads, primers, 9mm, some 223's no 25 ACP's
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on November 07, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
While at the local axis of evil store Wmart  they had one box of 40 caliber and zero 22 ammo or 223 or 5.56 ammo and a limited amount of shot shells! still limiting you to one box
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: backwoods_engineer on November 07, 2013, 08:10:03 PM
No joy on 22LR in central West Virginia, but 9mm is becoming more plentiful.

A Dalton in the Beckley area?  We're probably related.

Hope you find some ammo.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 08, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
Is it too soon to discuss upcoming Black Friday deals?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on November 09, 2013, 01:36:47 PM
Is it too soon to discuss upcoming Black Friday deals?

discuss all you want, i stay inside on black friday. too crazy for me.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: iam4liberty on November 09, 2013, 04:07:00 PM
At one local gun store today, all major calibers well stocked except 22LR.  Prices are 20% to 30% higher than last year.  This is down from 50% to 75% higher just a month ago.

At Walmart today, a few boxes of each common rifle and pistol caliber present except 22LR.  There was a mountain of 12, 20, and 410 gauge.  I picked up 3 boxes (the limit) of 9mm Winchester white box 100 rounds for $26 each.

Net, availability is on the rise and prices have somewhat moderated in Southern Indiana.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inconel710 on November 12, 2013, 10:55:32 AM
Well, I went to the Big R opening and got two boxes of CCI Quiet ($3.29/50rds), two boxes of American Eagle 9mm 115gr FMJ ($14.99/50rds), and a pound of IMR 4064.  Had to stand outside for over two hours, but I got it.

I did some experimentation at the range last week.  Turned out, I couldn't recall actually putting any Remington Thunderbolts in my 10/22 so I shot several magazines worth of it.  The Ruger handled it all well.  It's dirty, but I won't let another bulk pack pass me by now.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: fzrspirit on November 24, 2013, 12:51:57 PM
Today was the first Sunday, this year, that I've found 9mm JHP at walmart. I bought a 100 round box last year for $28 and today the same box was $35. That's a big jump.

The only other 9mm was Tula at about $10.50 per 50 round box.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 25, 2013, 09:04:52 AM
re Black Friday

I plan to go my local Sportsmans Warehouse @ 6am.  Thinking of picking up a Ruger SR22 - that's $50 off.  I haven't decided if I want to pretend it's a gift for my wife, or just hide it for several months and then play dumb when she sees me cleaning it.  :-X

Last year they had pmags for $9.99, with no limit.  A month later Sandyhook and the insanity happened.  I think back all the time how I should've dusted off the AMEX and bought the whole pallet of magazines and made a retirement selling them on gunbroker for 5x profit.

Anyhow, I think the shooting/outdoor crowd is vastly better behaved compared to walmart/best buy/target/etc.


Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Skunkeye on November 25, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
Anyhow, I think the shooting/outdoor crowd is vastly better behaved compared to walmart/best buy/target/etc.

In general, yes.  But six months ago, if you had plunked a pallet of Mini-Mags on the sales floor of a Cabela's or Bass Pro with no purchase limits, they'd still be cleaning that store up from the riot...   ;) 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Crazy Fox on November 25, 2013, 11:29:53 AM
I will be out of state for all the Black Friday mayhem sales so I won't be picking up any deals.

As for current availability, Jax Outdoor Gear in Fort Collins CO had a good stock of ammo this weekend (except for .22LR, of course). The prices looked pretty reasonable too.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on November 25, 2013, 12:17:21 PM
Midway had a sale on CCI Stingers.  In lots of 50, 500, and 5,000.  The lot of 5k was just over .10 a round. 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 25, 2013, 12:22:40 PM
Midway had a sale on CCI Stingers.  In lots of 50, 500, and 5,000.  The lot of 5k was just over .10 a round.

That's actually near pre-panic rates.  I vaguely recall stingers packaged in 50 round cases, in contrast to the 100 round ones most CCI minimags were - but the prices were all around the same $6-8.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on November 25, 2013, 12:36:39 PM
Yes, Stingers come in 50 round boxes.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on November 26, 2013, 06:33:56 AM
Midway had a sale on CCI Stingers.  In lots of 50, 500, and 5,000.  The lot of 5k was just over .10 a round.

HAD is the key word.  I received a product notification on that and physically went into Midway USA's customer service area to place & pick-up my order. Within an hour or two of receiving the product notification. They were sold out.  At least one other customer came in to Midway with the same game plan while I was there.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: DrJohn on November 26, 2013, 07:45:21 AM
Yes, HAD.  But they obviously had enough that they felt they could sell it at pre-nutso prices.  Cheaper than dumb has them listed at over .50 per round.  and SGAMMO, Bulk Ammo, Ammo to go, have nadda...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inconel710 on November 26, 2013, 02:39:02 PM
I put a back order in with Midway for CCI Minimags, and a couple other brands.  We'll see when it gets filled.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on November 27, 2013, 02:29:30 AM
Yes, HAD.  But they obviously had enough that they felt they could sell it at pre-nutso prices.  Cheaper than dumb has them listed at over .50 per round.  and SGAMMO, Bulk Ammo, Ammo to go, have nadda...

Price gouging has never been a practice of Midway USA.  .22lr can be found slightly above pre-panic prices but it is a rarity and depends upon regional demand. In my area I haven't founf a brick of 550 rounds in more than 6 months.  Friends of mine who live more than 400 miles in two differrent directions have been occassionally able to find bricks at W-Mart.

YMMV
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on November 27, 2013, 11:44:24 AM
If someone were to add "Set up new ammo manufacturing plant" as one of their 13 skills, .22LR would be a good one to start with.   8)

The great thing about .22LR is that nearly every gun owner shoots a fair amount of it every year.  In centerfire it is probably a small percentage (10%?) that shoots over 1,000 rds per year. With .22LR it could be 505 or 70% of gun owners. And being relatively cheap it is easy to stockpile as well.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 27, 2013, 01:11:09 PM
Last week at the rifle range, I brought along my 10/22.  Even though I am mentally aware of the .22lr shortage, I found myself blasting away at a steel gong, magazine dump after magazine dump.

After 5 magazines I was rather upset with myself for being so wasteful.  A hard habit to break...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on November 27, 2013, 01:12:49 PM
Well, as to that, my 12 yr old and I went to the range a couple of weeks ago and shot off a box of 325 rounds of .22LR.

Not one was wasted.  8)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on November 27, 2013, 01:31:04 PM
Well, as to that, my 12 yr old and I went to the range a couple of weeks ago and shot off a box of 325 rounds of .22LR.

Not one was wasted.  8)

Amen to that.

My girls know that I have become more mindful of how we use our ammo based on the shortage and prices.  This deer season I brought the 10/22 and two 25 round mags with us for them to do some practice and pass the time around camp.  They must have asked me three times as to how much they get to shoot after emptying a magazine.  Each time they asked I told them "until the ammo is gone" (I brought two bricks).  They had a ton of fun and you could see them improve on each mag.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Datman01 on November 28, 2013, 07:20:25 AM
I had to run out and get a newspaper for my wife this morning and after I got it and a coffee took a quick glance through the ads and Gander Mountain had 325 count boxes of Federal 22lr for $14.99. So I went ahead and got 6 boxes and a new mag for my M&P 15-22.  They weren't going to have ammo for long, over half gone by the time I left.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on December 02, 2013, 08:29:31 AM
i went to the academy in abilene over the weekend while i was there visiting family. they seemed to have a lot of everything, but nothing that i really wanted. no 22lr either
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 03, 2013, 09:42:56 AM
On Black Friday I went to Sportsman's Warehouse and got my 3 box limit of 100xCCI minimags for $7 each.  They also had Rem Thunderbolt bricks for $22, but I've had mixed experience.  I'll hold out for Federal Champion if I'm going to buy in bricks of 500+.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on December 04, 2013, 05:55:28 AM
They also had Rem Thunderbolt bricks for $22


I got one of these by chance Thanksgiving day for $26.   We had to pull off the interstate to fix the wipers and just happened to pull into a really cool service station.   To my surprise what do I see on the sign?.....   "We have 22LR" advertised right there next to the price of gas.  :)   Way cool little store. 

I've seen these Remington Thunderbolts online too recently.   Production must be doing better, or demand starting to come down?   In fact, one online retailer has 65 in stock now for $88 each (around 4x what we paid).
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on December 15, 2013, 12:02:54 AM
 :) Just got 525 round boxes of federal hollow .22 for $23.99. They were limiting to 10 boxes per person.  I only had enough cash for 2, but I am happy to purchase over 1000 rounds for plinking. Not as cheap as it once was, but a price I am willing to invest at for future shortages. Going back Monday with cash in hand.

They had 450 rounds of of 9mm for $45, copper jacket. All the nice ammo was still over a buck a shot. It was still the most expensive ammo they carry.

But I was told, and shown the boxes of the 9mm that had 1000 rounds, the manager said they are going on sale for $100 Monday 12/17/2013. He also mentioned that the other store had them at that prices. They need to clear out enough of the older ammo(3 months old) at cost. These stores never ran nout of ammo, it jst got very expensive, and was only sold with the purchase of a new gun.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on December 15, 2013, 12:07:46 AM
:) Just got 525 round boxes of federal hollow .22 for $23.99. They were limiting to 10 boxes per person.  I only had enough cash for 2, but I am happy to purchase over 1000 rounds for plinking. Not as cheap as it once was, but a price I am willing to invest at for future shortages. Going back Monday with cash in hand.

They had 450 rounds of of 9mm for $45, copper jacket. All the nice ammo was still over a buck a shot. It was still the most expensive ammo they carry.

But I was told, and shown the boxes of the 9mm that had 1000 rounds, the manager said they are going on sale for $100

Now that's more like it.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: NWPilgrim on December 15, 2013, 03:50:08 AM
Local Bi-Mart is slowly getting components in.  They had several pounds of BL-C2 and IMR4064 last week, and before that H335 and IMR4064.  One pound/day limit.  Also their stock of primers is getting to where they have several boxes but still a two sleeves/day limit.  Bullet situation not much better. 

The had lots of .40 and .45 and 223 ammo but not a lick of 9mm or .22LR.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Virginian on December 15, 2013, 04:35:13 AM
Local ACE hardware had 525 round boxes of Reminton hollow .22 for $29.99. They were limiting to 1 boxes per person. 

Guy said he will be getting 18k round shipment every 2 weeks.
Finally supply is catching up with demand (until the next round of panic sets in).
Hoping the the prices will start to come down.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Chemsoldier on December 15, 2013, 11:58:35 AM
The .22 thing is just going to take a while. 

On the good side it has enhanced my gift giving. My mother just got a Walther P22 so for Christmas I am giving her $400 worth of ammo even though I paid less than a hundred for it originally.

But I have to admit I am going to be part of the ammo shortage problem in the short term.  I used to keep about 5K on hand.  I am going to go up to 20K (about 2 years supply for me) for sure after this.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Skunkeye on December 15, 2013, 01:38:46 PM
But I have to admit I am going to be part of the ammo shortage problem in the short term.  I used to keep about 5K on hand.  I am going to go up to 20K (about 2 years supply for me) for sure after this.

Everybody's doing that, which is why .22LR will take a long time to get back to "normal".  That's not a dig on you, by the way - I'm doing that, too, and everyone I know who shoots .22LR is doing the same thing.  I'm comfortable with my supply now, so I'm not hogging it, though - if I find some in a store, I'll buy a brick or two and leave some for the next guy. 

I guess the good thing that will come out of it is that a lot more people will have a strong supply laid up and be less likely to panic buy next time around.  Maybe that will make the next .22 drought a little shorter.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: chrisdfw on December 15, 2013, 10:49:57 PM
I am just gonna wait, when 22lr is back to pre-panic prices or no more than 10% higher, I will buy it by the 10,000 round lot like before. I shoot a lot and am not gonna waste my time hunting down 500 rounds at a time. Frankly I suspect most of the people buying don't even shoot much
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LICountryBoy on December 16, 2013, 06:43:37 AM
Around here the only thing that is more absent than 22 is 30-30 and no one can explain it.
I have seen more 22 available than 30-30.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 16, 2013, 11:50:23 AM
Around here the only thing that is more absent than 22 is 30-30 and no one can explain it.
I have seen more 22 available than 30-30.

weird around the greater Puget Sound area I can find .30-30 at most Walmarts and sporting goods

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Chemsoldier on December 16, 2013, 12:02:26 PM
weird around the greater Puget Sound area I can find .30-30 at most Walmarts and sporting goods
Which is why internet sales are glorious.  It tends to smooth out the shortages a bit.  You buy online and it reduces demand in that area experiencing the regional shortage.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: pokeshell on December 18, 2013, 06:45:01 PM
:) Just got 525 round boxes of federal hollow .22 for $23.99. They were limiting to 10 boxes per person.  I only had enough cash for 2, but I am happy to purchase over 1000 rounds for plinking. Not as cheap as it once was, but a price I am willing to invest at for future shortages. Going back Monday with cash in hand.

They had 450 rounds of of 9mm for $45, copper jacket. All the nice ammo was still over a buck a shot. It was still the most expensive ammo they carry.

But I was told, and shown the boxes of the 9mm that had 1000 rounds, the manager said they are going on sale for $100 Monday 12/17/2013. He also mentioned that the other store had them at that prices. They need to clear out enough of the older ammo(3 months old) at cost. These stores never ran nout of ammo, it jst got very expensive, and was only sold with the purchase of a new gun.

 
 the .22 was gone at this price. But, with a few other purchases earlier this month, I am sitting well on .22. Now, I either need to get some .40 to carry, or find some decent  9mm ammo to shoot at an OK price. Why is it cheaper to shoot .40 and .45? All the talk is about the government buying .40, yet I can get that at a cheaper price than 9mm (or .45)
 
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Skunkeye on December 18, 2013, 09:02:56 PM
Why is it cheaper to shoot .40 and .45? All the talk is about the government buying .40, yet I can get that at a cheaper price than 9mm (or .45)

I think it's simply because there are a lot more 9mm pistols out there.  .40 has only been around, what, 20 years?  So there's more demand for 9mm, thus the higher price.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ID_Joker on January 13, 2014, 07:29:47 PM
Local farm store had 525rd winchester 22lr in stock.  20.99 each.  I bought two and picked up the rest they had for friends who wanted it.  16 boxes in total.  Score!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 13, 2014, 10:07:34 PM
Local farm store had 525rd winchester 22lr in stock.  20.99 each.  I bought two and picked up the rest they had for friends who wanted it.  16 boxes in total.  Score!

So you're *that* guy!?   >:(

I'm a bit jealous.  It was Dec. 2012 last I saw the 525 bricks of any brand on a store shelf.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mountainmoma on January 14, 2014, 12:06:54 AM
I just paid $75 for a box of 525 rounds of federal .22 ammo. It is undbelievable to me that the price varies so much that this is 3times what you got it for !
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on January 14, 2014, 08:52:09 AM
I just paid $75 for a box of 525 rounds of federal .22 ammo. It is undbelievable to me that the price varies so much that this is 3times what you got it for !

You paid whaaat?   :jaw-drop:

Now where did I put that bridge.......
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 14, 2014, 08:56:43 AM
You paid whaaat?   :jaw-drop:

Now where did I put that bridge.......

 :D My thoughts exactly.  Desperate times bring desperate measures I suppose.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mountainmoma on January 14, 2014, 09:32:20 AM
Actually, it was 550 rounds, so like 11 boxes. And, that is 6.80 for 50 rounds. That had CA sales tax built in, so 6.12 or so..... this is the price I saw it listed on line at bulk ammo, also, so it was buy it there or buy online with shipping added. And, online, you could click on it and then it tells you they're out. Locally, there is no .22 ammo, never, realy.  This was copper plated hollow point, not that we needed that for target practice, but that is what it was.

I bought this at the gun show saturday, which seemed to be more like an ammo show as that is what had the most lines for there.

Unlike some of you, I have no ammo sitting on shelves from years ago and we need to shoot to learn how to shoot...

I am about to sign my daughter and myself up for an appleseed weekend shoot, and that requires .22 ammo, and alot of it.

I truly do not understand why we cannot buy .22 ammo either. This vendor probably bought it at your state, drove out here and sold it for 3x what it was worth....
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: lostprepper on January 14, 2014, 09:49:50 AM
Pretty much the only thing our store can't get/keep on the shelves is 380ACP and 30/30 ammo. 9mm is cheaper here than 40S&W($5 more then 9mm) and 45ACP ($9 more then 9mm) as well.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on January 14, 2014, 12:22:43 PM
Mountainmamma, prices are definitly regional.  .22lr here in the central Midwest is still almost impossible to find, except at gunshows where it is overpriced at $40-$50/550 rnd.brick.

If you are in CA that brings about a whole new set of challenges affecting your prices.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mountainmoma on January 14, 2014, 01:14:49 PM
Probably especially in my area of california. I guess it would be considered in the greater san francisco bay area region of CA. There is no cabelas in the state of california. There is no wal mart in this county, which over all is probably a good thing, and i have actually never been in one. Big 5 sporting goods store sells ammo. But, they mostly sell exercise equipment. They might get a few boxes in on a friday morning, or maybe not....and that is 1 hour away, I dont live in the city. And, there is one combo gun store/ indoor shooting range at the other end of this county. You can buy a small box of 22 ammo if you are buying range time, and I once found a box on the shelf there, so I did have a little ammo here from that, but not enough to carry 2 or 3 people thru an  appleseed event. And, that range/store is more than an hour away, I do not just go and "drop by" on the off chance of something being there.

I knew it was a bit overpriced, but the appleseed event is very inexpensive, although a 1 1/2 -2 hour drive, I think we are going to sign up for june, actually having rifle training for she and I is more important right now, maybe some day ammo will come down in price to get some for keeping around
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 15, 2014, 08:41:43 AM
For the price you paid.  I'm hoping at least that was Federal "champion", which in my experience is a halfstep better than the Walmart Federal - though I'd gladly take either today.

In Oct. 2012 I got a rain check for 525 Fed Champion bricks of $15.99.  Miraculously the rain check came in the day of Sandy Hook.  I bought their last 5 bricks at that price and it's the last I've seen on a store shelf since.

I think I'd steal ammo before I'd pay 5x markup in just over a year.  YMMV
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: mountainmoma on January 15, 2014, 10:57:22 AM
It does not seem to be federal champion, there were two types there, and too much crowds and stuff, this is a red box of 550 that just says its federal copper plated hollow point. But, like I said paying too much for an amount sufficient to get my daughter and I thru rifle training is worth it, we realy cant just wait.

I am interested in which types are worthwhile for future purchases. I am now on the list for backordered rounds from midway online. They have "normal" prices, but nothing in stock for right now, and these were all limited to buy one per item. I have used the winchester super-x, which was fine, but I dont know if I have ever shot their "bulk" . There was something nasty I picked up at the range (and it was cheap), maybe it was a remington ? , last fall that was so smoky and dirty, I gave the rest of the box way ! So, tips on what is worthwhile .22 rounds is appreciated.

Federal Champion Fresh Fire Ammunition 22 Long Rifle 36 Grain Plated Lead Hollow Point Sealed Can of 325
Product #: 773108   $17.99   1   $0.00
 Fiocchi Shooting Dynamics Ammunition 22 Long Rifle 40 Grain Plated Lead Round Nose Ammunition Can of 1575
Product #: 319563   $114.99   1   $0.00
 Winchester Ammunition 22 Long Rifle 36 Grain Plated Lead Hollow Point Box of 333 (Bulk)
Product #: 952255   $16.99   1   $0.00
 Winchester Super-X High Velocity Ammunition 22 Long Rifle 40 Grain Plated Lead Round Nose Case of 2000 (20 Boxes of 100)
Product #: 752587   $129.99   1

I am now wondering if I want to cancel any of this or not, as shipping will be something as they all are due in on seperate months. The Champion fresh fire is due in March, some other one in June, another next october !
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on January 15, 2014, 12:38:33 PM
Walmart Shelves are still half bare... but still picked up a box.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Skunkeye on January 15, 2014, 02:35:51 PM
So, tips on what is worthwhile .22 rounds is appreciated.

I haven't used the Fiocchi, but the other three are decent ammo.  The trick with .22LR is that the guns are fairly sensitive to ammo variations.  One type of ammo that works accurately and flawlessly in my rifle might not shoot well at all from yours.  The standard advice is to try as many kinds as you can, and find what works best in your gun.  Of course, in the current market, that's impossible.  You just have to shoot what you can find.

That said, I haven't met the gun yet that doesn't shoot CCI ammo at least decently.  It's very high quality stuff.

As for backorders at Midway, they ship as they come in, so you'll have to pay separate shipping charges on each item.  It's generally not worth it for a single box of 300 or 500 rounds, as the shipping will often double the cost.  That said, if you're stuck paying $75 locally, then even with shipping, Midway is still a better deal.  I've got several backorders on file with them for .22 ammunition as well, with the idea that I can always cancel them if my ammo situation improves enough that I don't need it.

Any chance that smoky, smelly stuff you picked up at the range was Aguila?  It's inexpensive, it's one of the few brands that I routinely see available these days, and it is dirtier and smokier than most.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Hootie on January 16, 2014, 01:35:12 AM



for me:
1. So what have we learned so far?
    - need to stock up
    - need learn/start reloading

2. What are the first ammo to go missing?
    - 22LR...  then 9mm, 45, 223, 556

3. What ammo always seem to be in stock?
    - 12 gauge
    - 17hmr
   
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inconel710 on January 16, 2014, 11:14:55 AM
  • So what have we learned so far?
  • What are the first calibers to go missing?
  • What calibers always seem to be in stock?



for me:
1. So what have we learned so far?
    - need to stock up
    - need learn/start reloading

2. What are the first ammo to go missing?
    - 22LR...  then 9mm, 45, 223, 556

3. What ammo always seem to be in stock?
    - 12 gauge
    - 17hmr
   


I would hesitate to draw too many conclusions from Gun Panic 2013.  During Gun Panic 2009, 22LR was not in short supply.  Common pistol calibers were.  I didn't have a rifle in 2009, so I don't recall any problems with rifle ammo (which is not to say they were no problems, there probably were!).  I do remember reloading components becoming scarce in 2009 as well.  There will be variations next time around.  The true bottom line lesson is to stock up on what YOU use whether it's pistol, rifle, shotgun or reloading components.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on January 16, 2014, 11:39:49 AM
around here 12ga eventually did go out, but it did take much longer to happen and it recovered a lot quicker. it is still almost impossible to find 22lr.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Fixit on January 16, 2014, 12:45:40 PM
My memory says that panic 2009 it was .380 ammo that went missing first.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Skunkeye on January 16, 2014, 01:46:59 PM
There will be variations next time around.  The true bottom line lesson is to stock up on what YOU use whether it's pistol, rifle, shotgun or reloading components.

Very true.  Especially since there are now hundreds of thousands (millions?) of new gun owners in the ammo market that weren't there before the panic started.  So, depending on what guns those people bought, that could lead to variations in demand the next time around.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 17, 2014, 10:13:40 AM
Federal Champion .22lr is the best bulk available.  It's the favorite of Youtube star "22Plinkster".

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Mortblanc on January 17, 2014, 11:05:21 AM
One of the things one should have learned from this and the last crisis was that they should have ammo in stock.  You don't even have to be into prepping to realize that!

Second thing they should learn is that when ammo gets scarce they should stop shooting at tin cans and save it for emergencies.  I really sicken at hearing people claiming to be preppers whining that they "shot up all their ammo and Walmart does not have any more!"

Third thing is that Wallmart is not on your side!  If you develop a relationship with the local gun shop you might find they have some boxes under the counter for their "regulars". 

In my area all ammo is now available anywhere but Walmart

I can walk into any one of a half dozen LGS and get what I need at reasonable prices, or I can go to either of the local sportsmans' super stores and get what I need at almost the same prices I was paying pre-panic.  Three of the four big box gun stores I shop have pallets of ammo stacked on the sales floor.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on January 17, 2014, 06:17:28 PM
I would hesitate to draw too many conclusions from Gun Panic 2013.  During Gun Panic 2009, 22LR was not in short supply.... 
  Which was the reason I didn't worry about stocking up on .22lr .  Weak excuse I know.  Even those of us who were prepared for most calibers and firearms when Obama panic #2 hit may have been caught with little .22lr put back.  It had never been a problem before.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: dep190 on January 22, 2014, 03:59:13 PM
Stopped at the Ravenna,Ohio Walmart last night and again  there were no .22 rounds of any kind and no 17 HMR.  I bought a twenty round box of TULA ammo 7.62X39 FMJ20 rounds for $5.63 out the door.   My buddy bought a 100 round box of ,223 for forty dollars while 20 rounds of USA was 12.95.

Earlier in the day I was at a small independent gun shop and they had NO .22 ammo and a meager supply of other ammo at not the greatest prices.  The Clerk stated they had just returned from the VEGAS SHOT SHOW. I asked what tales the Manufactures were telling and they are blaming the whole salers for hoarding the ammo to keep the price at high levels!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 22, 2014, 04:01:49 PM
I bought a 500 round box of Remington Thunder bolt from cabelas.com.  I opted for in-store pickup to avoid shipping, so came to $22 for the box.
1 box per customer per day, so I'll buy another after midnight tonight and pickup "both" orders in a few weeks  :)
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inconel710 on January 22, 2014, 07:22:55 PM
I bought a 500 round box of Remington Thunder bolt from cabelas.com.  I opted for in-store pickup to avoid shipping, so came to $22 for the box.
1 box per customer per day, so I'll buy another after midnight tonight and pickup "both" orders in a few weeks  :)
pfft - it's gone now.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 22, 2014, 07:53:33 PM
pfft - it's gone now.

You can backorder it for the same price, unless it was on a "while supplies last" sale.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inconel710 on January 22, 2014, 07:54:30 PM
You can backorder it for the same price, unless it was on a "while supplies last" sale.

There's no 22lr available to order when I go to Cabelas.com.  Zip, zero, nada.  No backorder, nothing.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexDaddy on January 22, 2014, 08:00:37 PM
I went to Academy last Saturday night and they had just about everything except.... .22LR  :(
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 22, 2014, 08:27:22 PM
There's no 22lr available to order when I go to Cabelas.com.  Zip, zero, nada.  No backorder, nothing.

Can you get to a store?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inconel710 on January 23, 2014, 06:56:20 AM
Can you get to a store?

The new one in Lonetree is about 45 minutes away.  I'd do the in-store pickup, but I'm not driving that far for a "chance" encounter with a box of 22lr.  I'll keep checking the local spots when I can.  There was some at the gun show last weekend, but it was stupid overpriced.

Checked Cabelas again this morning and they had the Remington on the site, but none available for order.  Looks like they're putting some online at midnight and taking it down when it's gone.  Early bird gets the worm!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on January 23, 2014, 07:51:40 AM
Checked Cabelas again this morning and they had the Remington on the site, but none available for order.  Looks like they're putting some online at midnight and taking it down when it's gone.  Early bird gets the worm!

What I meant is that they can order it for you from the store.  That way it doesn't matter if they take it off their website.  You can pick it up there or have it shipped from your home.  Good luck either way, this whole thing is a real pain.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: lettuceman on January 23, 2014, 07:52:54 AM
Academy in Sunset Valley (TX) as of last night, hasn't received a shipment of 22LR in three weeks.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 23, 2014, 09:55:25 AM
Thunderbolt isn't my favorite .22lr.  I'll probably hold onto it as trading stock, or until I go through my bricks of Federal.

RE: .223/5.56 - I can routinely find it in many places, but the best price I can find on the 55gr plinking variety is still about $7.99 per box.  Hunting rounds are much more.
I realize I can save a few cents per round doing a massive bulk internet order, but I've other preps that need large chunks of cash first.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: iam4liberty on March 04, 2014, 06:59:26 PM
Guess we are in for another year.  Steel cased "Russian" ammo is starting to fly off shelves with news sources reporting future imports may be banned as part of retaliation package against Crimea situation. Never let a crisis go to waste...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 04, 2014, 07:38:39 PM
I know people who are nuts for 5.45x39mm AK74s, but to my knowledge it's 100% import.  I don't even think anyone makes brass cases let alone reloading dies for that cartridge.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: iam4liberty on March 04, 2014, 08:49:02 PM
I know people who are nuts for 5.45x39mm AK74s, but to my knowledge it's 100% import.  I don't even think anyone makes brass cases let alone reloading dies for that cartridge.

The good news is that there are still cases available at 15 cent a round.  It is still cueaper than 22LR at many places!

7.62x39 is now out at several big dealers like AIM Surplus but cases still available at other places for 25 to 30 cents a round shipped.  It looks like there may be enough in stock to stay on shelves.  Interestingly it is steel cased 9mm and 223 which seems to have the greatest run with cheapest inventory starting togrow thin.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: The Professor on March 04, 2014, 09:07:11 PM
Hornady makes steel-cased 5.45x39.

Huntington Die Specialties custom-makes dies and plates for the round, but I don't think anyone makes them generally available.

The Professor
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on March 04, 2014, 09:56:21 PM
The good news is that there are still cases available at 15 cent a round.  It is still cueaper than 22LR at many places!

7.62x39 is now out at several big dealers like AIM Surplus but cases still available at other places for 25 to 30 cents a round shipped.  It looks like there may be enough in stock to stay on shelves.  Interestingly it is steel cased 9mm and 223 which seems to have the greatest run with cheapest inventory starting togrow thin.

Well the simple approach is given a typical barrel life of 8-12K rounds, just buy 8-12K along with your rifle. Then when that is running low you can decide to reup with new barrel and new batch, or switch to something like 5.56. That way you get around $1400 in ammo, a $1200 rifle, and your set for the barrel life. Then if you swap calibers, you are only out ~$200 that you would have been out anyway.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on March 04, 2014, 09:56:40 PM
Now for rimfire, I just realized I've been remiss in sharing some rimfire love. I'm going to break this down so bear with me, but the end result is getting .22 at retail without standing in lines at walmart.

First there is a back door link to Cabela's. I'll post it at the end. Read before using or you will just get confused.

You click the link, and it will look like a whole bunch of stuff is in stock. From here there are things you can do. If you click "view items in cart" you can go to the bottom of the list and click "email your shopping cart" and create a new link for yourself. The links get burnt after 30 days or if they get abused and 1000 people use the same link and then burn up the phones because they don't get how they work. So you want to start by making your own link and keeping it to yourself.

You can add to the links by adding things to your cart conventionally or by opening multiple cart links. You can remove items by going to "view items in cart" and using remove one at a time.

Now that you have your own link, you can start clicking checkout. When you do this, you get real time access to inventory. If there is anything in stock, you will see a new cart screen with just those items. If nothing is in stock, you will see an empty cart. Keep trying. You see the most inventory between 0800-1000 Pacific, but stuff will pop up throughout the day as excess orders get canceled (more on this). If you catch something in inventory, and click checkout again, you will be able to checkout with it even if you aren't super fast about it. Once you see the billing address page, the only way you can mess things up is by things like clicking checkout on another tab. In other words, from there, the order can be submitted even if somebody else got theirs in first.

That is where the catch comes in. No matter what that item will appear initially to be in stock. But as soon as you submit you will get an email, and you can check order history to see the status. At this point lots of chaos happens and most of the time you eventually get it, but not always, and not immediately. It will sometimes ship immediately, other times it will show back ordered, other times it will just sit as in process for days, and sometimes it will be canceled with cryptic explanations. Just think of it as a magic 8 ball and don't get too hung up on individual orders. Cabela's preauthorizes when you submit orders but they don't charge until they ship.

Whatever you do, don't call customer service asking about it. To them, the item will be out of stock, the order will have been an error, and ergo must be canceled. Just let it ride out and take its course. During processing, they are looking for double orders for people exceeding the daily limits. Those orders can but don’t always get canceled. Some people seem to get on naughty lists and get stuff canceled even when it isn’t over the limit. Others just get stuff canceled because it happens to be sunny outside. Again, magic 8 ball.

The majority of completed orders do eventually ship. Stuff that goes from in stock to back order tends to get filled within a few days. Point being if you work a desk job or can otherwise afford to poke your head in for a few seconds here and there in the mornings, you’ll score ammo here and there for minimal effort given some patience and persistence.

One thing you can do is remove the items from your cart link that you wouldn’t want even if it shipped. This speeds up the checks, and saves you from messes like getting something you want, and something you don’t, and then not removing the thing you don’t want in time to check out with the item you do want.

Yeah, yeah, it was a lot of reading, but it will pay off, and this link is nothing but trouble if you don’t know what you are doing with it. Cabela’s doesn’t care who is getting back door action as long as people aren’t causing them trouble with it. So by all means go get some, but be smart about it.

The link to get you started:
http://www.cabelas.com/checkout/retrieveShoppingCart.cmd?cartId=b921d1c5d74d83feb9f06ff9a499a396
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 04, 2014, 10:14:55 PM
I'd seen links like that before posted on the r/gundeals/ on reddit.  It seemed weird that items were added to my cart automagically

I did it once for a 500 pack of remington and did in-store pickup.  I might try this again, esp. if they get Federal Champion again.

Thanks inbox!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on March 05, 2014, 09:28:51 AM
nice post. i wish i could take advantage of it, but after shipping and taxes it becomes cost prohibitive for me. if i could do in store pickup it would be a different story.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: ncjeeper on March 05, 2014, 10:57:36 AM
I wonder if tula, wolf, brown bear, and other commie ammo will start to dry up because of whats going on with Russia?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on March 05, 2014, 11:01:20 AM
I wonder if tula, wolf, brown bear, and other commie ammo will start to dry up because of whats going on with Russia?

Litterally dry up, no.  Get held by the brokers to stage a price hike, yes.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on March 05, 2014, 12:24:18 PM
nice post. i wish i could take advantage of it, but after shipping and taxes it becomes cost prohibitive for me. if i could do in store pickup it would be a different story.

If you play the game, and use codes and get their club card, you can keep it under $30/brick which is sadly about what retail is now. In stock at Walmart will score you about $25/brick, but that is as low as it goes, and I don't expect prices to go below that. I'd be shocked if there isn't another wholesale price hike by end of summer. Those trillions in free dollars weren't free. It is most active in the second half of the month, so I usually wait until a couple bricks pop up at once and take advantage of either shipping codes or the $5 flat shipping with the club card.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on March 05, 2014, 01:30:31 PM
I haven't bought ammo in months.   I haven't shot in months.    I've got my limits and then some, so I'm feeling good about not having to buy right now, but wish I'd find time to get back to the range.


One exception.   I bought a Colt Anaconda from my brother recently.   I got 2 boxes of .44 mag.  it was over $80 total.   ouch!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: libertyorbust1776 on March 05, 2014, 01:48:45 PM
Where i live .22lr is an arm and a leg (80 bucks for 200 rounds) because all the gun shops around here pay people to go buy up all the ammo at places like dicks and walmart and then they turn around and sell it in their store for double the price they paid.... I was in a gun shop last week and the owner told me he does this after i told him i had a hard time finding .22... i was pissed... i told him i would never frequent his store again....  im surprised shit like that is even legal .....
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 05, 2014, 02:51:49 PM
I haven't bought ammo in months.   I haven't shot in months.    I've got my limits and then some, so I'm feeling good about not having to buy right now, but wish I'd find time to get back to the range.


One exception.   I bought a Colt Anaconda from my brother recently.   I got 2 boxes of .44 mag.  it was over $80 total.   ouch!

I have a new in box RCBS .41 and .44mag die sets I got for a song a while ago.  I don't reload those cartridges, so if you plan handloading .44 maybe we can barter. 
I think they are original from 1983 or so.  I did test the resizing die on some .44mag brass my son picked up, otherwise they are mint.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on March 05, 2014, 04:24:46 PM
I have a new in box RCBS .41 and .44mag die sets I got for a song a while ago.  I don't reload those cartridges, so if you plan handloading .44 maybe we can barter. 
I think they are original from 1983 or so.  I did test the resizing die on some .44mag brass my son picked up, otherwise they are mint.

thanks, I will keep that in mind!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Skunkeye on March 05, 2014, 08:13:59 PM
I wonder if tula, wolf, brown bear, and other commie ammo will start to dry up because of whats going on with Russia?

I'm thinking that's a real possibility (or at least price hikes as nelson says), so I'm probaby gonna go shopping for a little more food for my SKS and CZ-82.  Serves me right for having a weakness for hammer-and-sickle guns, I suppose.  That CZ is just such a sweet shooter, it's hard to resist shooting the damn thing.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: d3nni5 on March 06, 2014, 04:40:09 AM
  That CZ is just such a sweet shooter, it's hard to resist shooting the damn thing.

Amen brother.   My first (and favorite) handgun was my CZ-75.  If it weren't so damned heavy and big, I'd carry it.  My local gunshop has a stainless model in the used case.   It was all I could do not to throw down the $$ and pick it up.   I resisted...need to save my money.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: armymars on March 06, 2014, 01:39:45 PM
I got my Cheaper Then Dirt catalog yesterday and they now have 7.62X54R again for $89.97 a spam can of 440 rounds. Russan 70's and 80's, silver tip. That's cheaper then the 22rf now.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: MississippiJarhead on March 06, 2014, 06:40:01 PM
Local Walmart (Newton, MS) was pretty wiped out earlier. Of course no .22LR but very light on virtually everything else.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TexasGirl on March 07, 2014, 12:26:14 AM
Here we go again, the next ammo run has started:


http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/a-run-on-ammunition-has-begun-russia-has-reportedly-halted-all-exports-to-the-us-of-russian-made-ammunition_03062014  (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/a-run-on-ammunition-has-begun-russia-has-reportedly-halted-all-exports-to-the-us-of-russian-made-ammunition_03062014)

Quote
The largest wholesale gun & ammo distributors in the US have informed us in private conversation today that a massive scramble is on for all 7.62 as Russia has reportedly halted all exports to the US of Russian made ammunition.

Our distributor source informed us that yesterday they had several hundred thousand rounds of Russian made 7.62 TulAmmo, and after receiving word early today on the halt of Russian exports to the US, they have been completely wiped out of every last round in the past 10 hours!

I have no idea what percentage of the US market Russian suppliers represent, surely there are 7.62 x 39 and 7.62 x 54R suppliers from other countries?

It will be interesting to see how such a panic affects other calibers too.

~TG
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Skunkeye on March 07, 2014, 12:58:38 AM
I have no idea what percentage of the US market Russian suppliers represent, surely there are 7.62 x 39 and 7.62 x 54R suppliers from other countries?

Well, a good portion of U.S. imports of Warsaw Pact calibers come from Ukraine, but I don't think that helps the situation much...

Romania and Bulgaria can probably expect a spike in ammunition exports, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 07, 2014, 12:32:53 PM
You can unbunch your panties.  There's some BS regarding the "russian" cartridges.  Only a fraction of the US imports of the *x39 rounds are actually made in Russia.  Many are from Germany, Taiwan and other places.  Read a complete explanation:  https://www.thebangswitch.com/is-the-x39-world-coming-to-an-end/ (https://www.thebangswitch.com/is-the-x39-world-coming-to-an-end/)

That all said, I'm a huge supply chain nerd, and miss the days of buying a 5 gallon bucket of pulled 55gr .224 bullets near Ft. Lewis
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on March 07, 2014, 01:17:04 PM
miss the days of buying a 5 gallon bucket of pulled 55gr .224 bullets near Ft. Lewis

At Surplus Ammo?
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 07, 2014, 02:35:13 PM
At Surplus Ammo?

Yes.  Though to be clear, back when that was plentiful I wasn't into reloading yet.  I had friends that used to regularly get 1000 bullets for $50.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: nelson96 on March 07, 2014, 04:00:29 PM
Yes.  Though to be clear, back when that was plentiful I wasn't into reloading yet.  I had friends that used to regularly get 1000 bullets for $50.

I love that place, and the Tactical Tailor next door.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on March 11, 2014, 10:57:01 AM
Now for rimfire, I just realized I've been remiss in sharing some rimfire love. I'm going to break this down so bear with me, but the end result is getting .22 at retail without standing in lines at walmart.

First there is a back door link to Cabela's. I'll post it at the end. Read before using or you will just get confused.

You click the link, and it will look like a whole bunch of stuff is in stock. From here there are things you can do. If you click "view items in cart" you can go to the bottom of the list and click "email your shopping cart" and create a new link for yourself. The links get burnt after 30 days or if they get abused and 1000 people use the same link and then burn up the phones because they don't get how they work. So you want to start by making your own link and keeping it to yourself.

You can add to the links by adding things to your cart conventionally or by opening multiple cart links. You can remove items by going to "view items in cart" and using remove one at a time.

Now that you have your own link, you can start clicking checkout. When you do this, you get real time access to inventory. If there is anything in stock, you will see a new cart screen with just those items. If nothing is in stock, you will see an empty cart. Keep trying. You see the most inventory between 0800-1000 Pacific, but stuff will pop up throughout the day as excess orders get canceled (more on this). If you catch something in inventory, and click checkout again, you will be able to checkout with it even if you aren't super fast about it. Once you see the billing address page, the only way you can mess things up is by things like clicking checkout on another tab. In other words, from there, the order can be submitted even if somebody else got theirs in first.

That is where the catch comes in. No matter what that item will appear initially to be in stock. But as soon as you submit you will get an email, and you can check order history to see the status. At this point lots of chaos happens and most of the time you eventually get it, but not always, and not immediately. It will sometimes ship immediately, other times it will show back ordered, other times it will just sit as in process for days, and sometimes it will be canceled with cryptic explanations. Just think of it as a magic 8 ball and don't get too hung up on individual orders. Cabela's preauthorizes when you submit orders but they don't charge until they ship.

Whatever you do, don't call customer service asking about it. To them, the item will be out of stock, the order will have been an error, and ergo must be canceled. Just let it ride out and take its course. During processing, they are looking for double orders for people exceeding the daily limits. Those orders can but don’t always get canceled. Some people seem to get on naughty lists and get stuff canceled even when it isn’t over the limit. Others just get stuff canceled because it happens to be sunny outside. Again, magic 8 ball.

The majority of completed orders do eventually ship. Stuff that goes from in stock to back order tends to get filled within a few days. Point being if you work a desk job or can otherwise afford to poke your head in for a few seconds here and there in the mornings, you’ll score ammo here and there for minimal effort given some patience and persistence.

One thing you can do is remove the items from your cart link that you wouldn’t want even if it shipped. This speeds up the checks, and saves you from messes like getting something you want, and something you don’t, and then not removing the thing you don’t want in time to check out with the item you do want.

Yeah, yeah, it was a lot of reading, but it will pay off, and this link is nothing but trouble if you don’t know what you are doing with it. Cabela’s doesn’t care who is getting back door action as long as people aren’t causing them trouble with it. So by all means go get some, but be smart about it.

The link to get you started:
http://www.cabelas.com/checkout/retrieveShoppingCart.cmd?cartId=b921d1c5d74d83feb9f06ff9a499a396


1K packs of M22 are up, and probably will be in and out for hours if not days. Golden opportunity time if you are getting pressed on supply levels.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Spadalach on March 11, 2014, 11:08:44 AM
Thanks for the tip Inbox485.  Using this I picked up a box of M22 last week and I snagged another one today.  Less than six cents a round shipped is pretty darn good nowadays.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LICountryBoy on March 11, 2014, 01:33:58 PM
A good idea for those that are not in NY.
No more internet purchases of ammo here.

I picked up a brick of 500 for $25 a few weeks ago at Dick's. I happened to be there at the right time.
They had ten. I took one.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 11, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
A good idea for those that are not in NY.
No more internet purchases of ammo here.

So I guess collecting milsurp guns in obsolete cartridges has probably lost a ton of interest there.  Good luck finding .303 British, Argentine Mauser or similar at a retail location.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: LICountryBoy on March 11, 2014, 02:39:14 PM
I have seen .303 British at Dick's once or twice.
I noticed it because it was next to where the 30-30 should be and usually isn't.
30-30 around here is almost as hard to get as 22LR. The guys at the local shop said they have no idea why but they have a hard time with 30-30.
The local shop also has .303
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 11, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
If I could legally mail it to you, .30-30 is all over the place here in western WA.  That and .270 seem to always be in stock.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: inbox485 on March 11, 2014, 03:41:34 PM
If I could legally mail it to you, .30-30 is all over the place here in western WA.  That and .270 seem to always be in stock.

Ah .270. The caliber that walmart can thank for never actually having empty shelves. I was about to rebarrel my M1A...
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: iam4liberty on March 11, 2014, 04:32:21 PM
There's some BS regarding the "russian" cartridges.  Only a fraction of the US imports of the *x39 rounds are actually made in Russia.  Many are from Germany, Taiwan and other places.  Read a complete explanation:  https://www.thebangswitch.com/is-the-x39-world-coming-to-an-end/ (https://www.thebangswitch.com/is-the-x39-world-coming-to-an-end/)

The comments made regarding the Wolf brand seem a bit pie-in-the-sky'ish based on experience.  There was a small shortage of 7.62X39 in 2005.  If all these alternative sources were available why couldn't Wolf keep their products on the shelf then? And prices never recovered near to where they were before then (typically 9 cents a round).  Usually a company chooses its suppliers based on a balance of costs, quality, and ability to deliver.  So how can a company switch sources (across countries no less!) without at least one of these being impacted?

Ultimately I guess the cause really doesn't matter as much as the reality on the store shelves.  I have been watching ammo bot periodically and have seen the lowest available price for 7.62X39 move from 19 cents a round to 23 cents pre-shipping.  That is a 20% increase in just a week.  The trend looks like it will hit 25 cents by end of the week.  The least expensive retailers are already putting up stock out notices with no back orders allowed.  This is especially true of Wolf products so I guess the major retailers didn't get the message not to worry about supply from them.  ;)

(http://www.libertyassociate.com/survival_podcast/aimsoldout.png)

On the plus side, for the first time in months our local Walmart today had all popular cartridges on shelf except 22LR.  Prices are definitely higher than pre shortage time (e.g. 29 cents vs. 22 cents for 9mm) but at least it is there!
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 11, 2014, 04:53:50 PM
I don't own or shoot anything chambered for a russian cartridge, so take this for what it's worth.

Using available inventory as an indicator of internation trade or geo-politics is flawed the same as it is with .22lr.

Like .22lr, the people I know who buy Russian cartridges buy a lot of it.  I also know a few people, who whenever there's a peep of trouble, go out and buy almost all they can find. I suspect the "fear" of import problems was enough to empty the shelves of the *x39mm cartridges.

Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: TNVolunteer on March 11, 2014, 05:22:51 PM
^^^^This^^^^

Fear
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: MississippiJarhead on March 11, 2014, 06:01:25 PM
It's just a panic.

I'll just refrain from shooting my 7.62x39 rifles until I can get more at regular retail prices.
Title: Re: Ammo shortages (now 2014)? What are you seeing out there?
Post by: iam4liberty on March 11, 2014, 06:16:19 PM
Using available inventory as an indicator of internation trade or geo-politics is flawed the same as it is with .22lr.

Absolutely agree.  And I hope I didn't give that impression. 

What I was trying to convey is that it may be wise to take with a grain of salt what industry people say about their ability to perform.  There were a lot of them saying that 22LR and 9mm would never be in short supply or see large price increases because of the volume they were producing.  I remember one company representative advising people not to purchase 22LR at 5 cents a round as the price of their product will never rise above 3 cents a round.  But when you talk to the retailers and distributors (who know much more about current demand and the lead times) it is an entirely different story.  It is far too tempting for company representatives to stretch the truth about supply in an attempt to convince people not to switch to a competing brand when their product is gone from the shelves.