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Title: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Roundabouts on May 21, 2013, 08:45:09 PM
Did a search and couldn't find a list of stores / businesses that have no guns allowed posted on their doors.  Any one know where I could find such a list?  I really don't like having my head up my behind.  Went to Ikea today and didn't see the sign until I came out and then it hit me oh crap I think I remember something like that from some time ago.  Guess I wont go back. 

Course as usual I just couldn't help myself had to embarrass hubby.  How?  um basically I was asking where do we stand in line for our armed guards or protectors.  Because surely they wanted to keep customers safe.  So I just wanted to know the procedure.  I mean if I am not allowed to protect myself they who will protect me while I shop go to the bathroom and walk to my car?  Hey I just wanted to know.  Because I would be more than happy to protect my self.  Well they looked at me funny and said I will go find out for you I am not sure who it is.  I don't even think we offer that kind of protection service.  Well after talking to several people even security they said nope we only offer cameras and we can call the police.  Which of course I couldn't help myself.  "No no not prosecution help.  Protection as in preventive No? well I guess I can't shop here because I don't feel safe.  Will take my money else where"   Shoot I could feel hubby just crapping himself.  "Do you always have to open your mouth?" 

"Why yes I do!"   I can guarantee I will be talked about as the crazy lady.  At least until the first time one of their female customers or employees is mugged or raped in their store or parking lot.  Or the first time someone that hears that story has to go identify a body or visit a loved one in the hospital.  Bet they will think I am not so crazy after all.


So to save embarrassment of hubby and an uncomfortable ride in the car  I thought it might be best if I had a list of stores to BAN.  Then I can just send them each a letter telling them why I wont shop there.  Course I have to admit it did make feel just a bit better to let some one have it.  I could see the look on one guys face he was thinking about it.  Where he had said he had never really thought about it before. 

Oh and I might as well get this off my chest or hubby is going to get cold feet in the middle of his back tonight.  He said there is no point and if you see that sign just get in your car and drive away.  NO WAY.  Just crawl under a rock and hide?  Are you frigen kidding me!  BS you had at least better send the company a letter telling them WHY you are not shopping there.   Then he found on line where many just carry any way.  NO NO NO That makes you a law breaker.  Don't just roll over tell the manager write a letter to corp.  Tell them why they won't get any money from you.  If enough people did that they would change their policies.  If not oh well other places will love getting my money.   I even sent a letter to Starbucks thanking them and letting them know I will continue to shop there.  I also let starbuck employees know that their company supports freedom and the constitution by supporting the 2nd amendment.  How many didn't even know.  Were happy to hear it (even though most didn't really understand )  Plant a seed.  An idea maybe it will grow maybe not. 


So a list of anti gun stores shops businesses would be great. 
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Roundabouts on May 21, 2013, 08:50:38 PM
Starting the list with

Ikea 
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: cheryl1 on May 21, 2013, 08:53:55 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: ncjeeper on May 21, 2013, 09:05:36 PM
I believe O'Rileys auto parts stores are anti gun.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on May 21, 2013, 10:39:41 PM
Anti-gun lists of business can usually be found on the CCW forum(s) of a state.

Recently there is an APP out for that. It is called Gun Free Zone on iTunes.  The APP is only as good as those entering the information on a volunteer basis.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: rikkrack on May 22, 2013, 04:34:26 AM
Our local gun group has a running list and even a card to give to the manager/owner stating they have lost your business because they will not respect your 2nd amendment rights. One that sticks out is Buffalo Wild Wings. This may be just locally. I OC and no business I have gone to has ever said anything. If there is a sign, I don't go in, and don't go back, then tell others that carry, not to frequent those places. I in the thread to keep up in the posting, but also to come back. If anyone is in Indiana here is the site. You have to be a member (it's free), so I will try and find the info and be back. www.ingunowners.com (http://www.ingunowners.com) aka INGO
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: FrugalFannie on May 22, 2013, 04:53:18 AM
I try not to support any business that either posts "no guns allowed" signs or has a policy less than full support. Some of my lists include:

use this list:
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/celebrities/nra-releases-list-celebrities-organizations-support-gun-control

or this:
http://scopeny.org/antigun.html

here's another:
http://www.armedlutheran.us/anti-gunners/anti-gun-companies/

That should get you started.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: rikkrack on May 22, 2013, 05:55:39 AM
found this

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/technology/gadgets/gun-free-zone-app-identifies-businesses-ban-guns-video (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/technology/gadgets/gun-free-zone-app-identifies-businesses-ban-guns-video)

Searching my group threads, I can only find individual posts of when they were asked to leave or signs at local area establishments. At least in our area if there is a sign it holds no weight of law until they ask you to leave. Then if you refuse it is trespassing. I am not a lawyer, so take that as an opinion.

I know all starbucks as pro 2A.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: nelson96 on May 22, 2013, 07:34:21 AM
A list is good to have so that you know what businesses that don't deserve your business.  But, when you need something you need something, so if I must, I frequent them anyway (with my CC).  Nobody knows when I carry so no harm no fowl.  I'll accept the consequences if I ever have to use my weapon in these establishments.  I would rather be alive with an arrest than dead.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: rikkrack on May 22, 2013, 07:49:16 AM
second that. I do CC if I have to. While not posted at church, I do CC there. Sometimes the smaller CC is more comfortable if doing a lot of physical work/activity.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Virginian on May 22, 2013, 10:58:23 AM
FRIENDORFOE.US

Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: ncjeeper on May 22, 2013, 11:13:25 AM
One that sticks out is Buffalo Wild Wings.
Are you allowed to ccw in a place that sells and serves alcohol in your state? In NC you cant.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: rikkrack on May 22, 2013, 11:35:51 AM
yup. no requirements on alcohol. You cannot carry in a casino the only place I can think of where you cannot that has alcohol. From memory, and again IAMAL

No carry at:
casino
at a school, k-12 public or private
federal buildings i.e. court, court house per federal law
on plane commercial/chartered
on a school bus, and i believe operated by state/district.
Government center campus
penal facilities
controlled access of airport
during state fair, on fairground

All other places at owners discretion.

I also carry a copy of the Indiana codes with me at all times pertaining to laws if I ever get hassled. to date I never have (going on 4 years OC) but it does come in handy to educate those who are under false belief of what they were "told" was the law.

Here is a bonus, it is a state law that you can carry in your locked vehicle while at work if not in any of the forbidden above places. Your employer may not take ANY negative action against firearms in your vehicle. They are also forbidden from asking if you own, carry, or are in possession of firearms, or and negative repercussions involving firearms unless you are just plain being stupid. hence the CC for many occasions. It stipulates the employer may and should be sued for such actions. again IAMAL. but friends of lawyers who are VERY active on chasing wrongful termination under this new law. Went into effect a year or two ago.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: soccer grannie on May 22, 2013, 01:14:34 PM
Are you allowed to ccw in a place that sells and serves alcohol in your state? In NC you cant.
SC State Law: No CWP carry in any establishment which serves alcohol, including restaurants. There are Bills in the SC Senate & House to repeal this.

Here's a little info: "Guns in Restaurants:  A Senate Committee has approved its version of a 'restaurant carry' bill which would allow those with Concealed Weapons Permits (CWP) to carry guns into restaurants that serve alcohol as long as they don't consume alcohol. I'm the primary sponsor of a similar bill in the House." - Enewsletter, SC Rep Bill Taylor, 2-23-13

Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 22, 2013, 01:21:40 PM
concealed is concealed
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: LibertyBelle on May 22, 2013, 02:14:00 PM
concealed is concealed

My thoughts exactly.  When I was in college I always carried on university campus even though it was prohibited (I'm a country girl and I always carried around the farm, and IMHO the city is even more dangerous).  Campus police were available on a "call if needed" basis and since I "lived" at the campus library and was often there until the wee hours, there was no way I was walking across campus at night unarmed.  And no one was any the wiser.

The only places we don't carry is in federal buildings where they make you go through a metal detector...oh, and Six Flags (they do the same, and manually check all pockets/bags).  BTW, the last time we were at Six Flags we were pleasantly surprised at the total lack of riff raff there. But then it seemed like there were armed police around every corner. 
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 22, 2013, 02:21:58 PM
SC State Law: No CWP carry in any establishment which serves alcohol, including restaurants. There are Bills in the SC Senate & House to repeal this.

Here's a little info: "Guns in Restaurants:  A Senate Committee has approved its version of a 'restaurant carry' bill which would allow those with Concealed Weapons Permits (CWP) to carry guns into restaurants that serve alcohol as long as they don't consume alcohol. I'm the primary sponsor of a similar bill in the House." - Enewsletter, SC Rep Bill Taylor, 2-23-13



AZ has this.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Mexican_Hippie on May 22, 2013, 03:15:41 PM
Every state's a little different on postings.   In Texas there posting is under penal code 30.06 so they're usually called 30.06 signs.

http://texas3006.com/signs.php

As others have said,  this database is only as good as the data that's submitted.  There's even a "Valid" field.  If the language doesn't match the penal code perfectly, isn't in both english and spanish, isn't in at least 1" in height and with contrasting letters then it's not valid and you can walk on by.  The ghostbusters signs are invalid.  Even properly worded signs posted on public (e.g. city/county) buildings are invalid.

You also can't carry in establishments that derive more than 51% of revenue from alcohol here.  They have to be posted with a 51% sign from the TABC.  So liquor stores and restaurants are G2G, but bars are a no-go legally.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Mexican_Hippie on May 22, 2013, 03:17:21 PM
My thoughts exactly.  When I was in college I always carried on university campus even though it was prohibited (I'm a country girl and I always carried around the farm, and IMHO the city is even more dangerous).  Campus police were available on a "call if needed" basis and since I "lived" at the campus library and was often there until the wee hours, there was no way I was walking across campus at night unarmed.  And no one was any the wiser.

The only places we don't carry is in federal buildings where they make you go through a metal detector...oh, and Six Flags (they do the same, and manually check all pockets/bags).  BTW, the last time we were at Six Flags we were pleasantly surprised at the total lack of riff raff there. But then it seemed like there were armed police around every corner.

Yeah, I too was carry when carry wasn't cool.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on May 22, 2013, 08:02:00 PM
O'Reilly auto parts was anti, but there was an internal memo sent out from Corporate that outlined their new policy. Follow the law of the land. If they can carry legally, they can carry in the store. Basically the same as Starbucks.

Safeway grocery is the latest to post No Firearms signs in my area. I stopped shopping there, and emailed the company letting them know why. No response.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 22, 2013, 09:25:21 PM
i noticed my local costco took down their sign... i'm not going to ask about it in case it was a mistake (i was asked to leave once when i OCd there) but i will be a little more confident with them.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on May 23, 2013, 08:21:59 AM
Signs don't have any athority in Ca, but I try not to patronize posted stores. I have heard some Costcos were posted, but I've never seen one around here that was. Though I give them a little bit of slack on the issue since the incident in Las Vegas where the guy was licensed, but through a series of bad choices of various people including himself, he was shot to death by police in one of their stores. It's hard to tell a company that having CCWers in their stores will not endanger people, blah blah blah, when this is their experience with it. Not that the employees were innocent in the incident, but neither was the deceased or LVPD.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: d3nni5 on May 23, 2013, 08:54:49 AM

I'm a relative noob to this.   Everywhere I frequent regularly, I've never noticed a sign on the door.   Short of the school, I'm not aware of anywhere I'm normally going to have to stow my gun.  Guess I'm going to the right places already.

So far as boycotting a "no gun" store....I'll have to think about it.    If it is a private business, local, I'd have to say I respect that.   Thier choice.   Bigger business, corporate, not so much, seems more political.   Saying that, I would bet most local "ma and pa" stores are cool w/ it anyway.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: BassManNate on May 25, 2013, 08:57:45 PM
It should be interesting here in Illinois in the coming months. No businesses have it posted here because no one can legally carry. That is at least for a couple more weeks.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: armymars on May 26, 2013, 07:52:06 AM
  My local gas station and party store has a sign that says " Open and Concealed carry welcomed here.
  In Michigan we use the ghost buster signs by law. At lest 6" in diameter . I've only seen one once. At the post office.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: RitaRose1945 on May 26, 2013, 08:19:28 AM
i noticed my local costco took down their sign... i'm not going to ask about it in case it was a mistake (i was asked to leave once when i OCd there) but i will be a little more confident with them.

That's especially interesting since, here in Vegas, we had an issue with that at our local Costco about 3 years ago.  We have open carry here, and concealed with a permit, so a guy was shopping there, someone spotted it and freaked out.  They called security, who told the guy he couldn't carry in the store.  he was annoyed and said there was no sign saying he couldn't, and state law said he could, so he was going to finish his shopping.  The rest of the conversation is up for debate since the security guard was trying to cover his arse and the guy carrying isn't around to tell his side.  The security guard saw this as an aggressive move so he called the cops and said there was an armed suspect in the store who was on narcotics (I think because the guy thought he was telling something to his wife when she had walked away, so it looked like he was talking to himself).

By the time the cops got there, it was suddenly a "hostage situation" and the cops were on edge.  He was singled out, made a motion to either show or remove his gun (depending on which witness you believe) and was shot by 3 cops.

Big lawsuits, big press.  After that, I'm really surprised to hear a Costco doesn't have a sign 10 feet wide at every entrance.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/24/shoppers-recount-police-shooting-outside-costco/#axzz2UPLEURC3 (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/24/shoppers-recount-police-shooting-outside-costco/#axzz2UPLEURC3)
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 26, 2013, 09:18:52 AM
That's especially interesting since, here in Vegas, we had an issue with that at our local Costco about 3 years ago.  We have open carry here, and concealed with a permit, so a guy was shopping there, someone spotted it and freaked out.  They called security, who told the guy he couldn't carry in the store.  he was annoyed and said there was no sign saying he couldn't, and state law said he could, so he was going to finish his shopping.  The rest of the conversation is up for debate since the security guard was trying to cover his arse and the guy carrying isn't around to tell his side.  The security guard saw this as an aggressive move so he called the cops and said there was an armed suspect in the store who was on narcotics (I think because the guy thought he was telling something to his wife when she had walked away, so it looked like he was talking to himself).

By the time the cops got there, it was suddenly a "hostage situation" and the cops were on edge.  He was singled out, made a motion to either show or remove his gun (depending on which witness you believe) and was shot by 3 cops.

Big lawsuits, big press.  After that, I'm really surprised to hear a Costco doesn't have a sign 10 feet wide at every entrance.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/24/shoppers-recount-police-shooting-outside-costco/#axzz2UPLEURC3 (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/24/shoppers-recount-police-shooting-outside-costco/#axzz2UPLEURC3)

i know the story, that's why i thought it was interesting that the sign is no longer there.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on May 26, 2013, 12:09:00 PM
It is important to understand that state laws do not treat "no gun" signs equally. While in some states you may be committing a crime by carrying concealed into a posted property in other states the same may not apply.  I'd argue that it is better to know state laws where one will be exercising his/her RKBA than have a "list". 

Some people choose to vote with their pocket books in regard to "no carry zones" and others could care less. I'd suggest knowing to what political causes a corporation donates speaks more to how they support RKBA than the absence or presence of any "no guns" sign.

Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: PrepperJim on May 26, 2013, 01:36:48 PM
It is important to understand that state laws do not treat "no gun" signs equally... I'd argue that it is better to know state laws where one will be exercising his/her RKBA than have a "list". 


I could not agree more. It is better to know the laws than have a "list". In Texas, the sign is simple and standard. It is called a 30.06 sign like this:

http://www.compliancesigns.com/NHB-16362.shtml

Of course, there are places like Post Offices, court houses and schools where it is illegal to carry even if signs are not posted. There are also restrictions on places that derive more than 50% of their sales on alcohol consumption. That is another sign that must be posted.

That being said, I went to a store recently that had a corporate sign stating no weapons. Technically, I did not have to comply because it was not the legally required 30.06 sign. However, I went back to the car and left my pistol there.

Even if they do not have the sign posted and they see your weapon, they can still ask you to leave. If you don't that is called trespassing and the police can be called. The Costco incident referenced above serves as a lesson on this. If the ask you to leave, you leave.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: riptide on May 30, 2013, 04:37:24 PM
Here in Georgia the "you are unwelcome - take your dirty money and leave" signs are very rare. There is one at the local BrandsMart that I never noticed until a friend pointed it out to me and so I took them up on it and other places get my money. Since I OC less than 5% of the time these dunces would never know. Their sign does not carry the force of law; here in GA they have to ask you to leave and you are trespassing if you do not.

After the Costco incident I chose not to renew. I will NOT support a business that is that stupid, I do go to the local O'Riley autoparts since they saw the light.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Cedar on May 30, 2013, 04:45:52 PM
Bi-Mart is not ok with open carry (we are open carry in Oregon), fine with concealed.

Cedar
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: armymars on May 31, 2013, 03:12:46 PM
  My Costco has no signs. I least I've never seen any.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: bigjim71 on May 31, 2013, 09:58:37 PM
Did anyone notice that Sylvester Stalone was on this list http://www.opposingviews.com/i/celebrities/nra-releases-list-celebrities-organizations-support-gun-control

A man that has mad Millions and Millions showing the glorification of violence with fire arms now wants to take away my right to self protection.... so sick of these hypocrite  bastards.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: nelson96 on May 31, 2013, 10:09:02 PM
Didn't he star in a movie where his biggest line was "I AM THE LAW"? . . .  I guess he took it to heart.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 01, 2013, 09:38:51 AM
because of my job, we have a friend of a friend who works with stalone's brother and does his music. my boss is actually one relationship closer in that chain than i am. this may actually lead to me getting to meet him, which would be cool.

his last rambo was actually filmed in our neck of thailand/burma and from what i heard that filming really affected him. he worked closely with the karen tribe which is who we work with. apparently seeing what they and the burmese are going through really changed his views.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Oil Lady on June 01, 2013, 11:12:55 AM
I have to do TB tests and other medical tests for my healthcare certification to keep my job. So my employer contracts a company called Concerta and pays for me to get a blood draw or two every 6 months (and those damned annoying TB tests also). 

Concerta has a nationwide network of walk-in laboratories and walk-in urgent care centers.

The one I have to go to every 6 months has an embarrassingly over-stated sign out front which screams quite loudly that no firearms are allowed on the premises.

And here's a legal abstract from 2008 covering an unlawful termination of employment lawsuit from a former employee of Cencerta who was fired when it was discovered he was concealed carrying to work all the time. Winters v, Concerta Health Services, Inc.

http://www.volokh.com/posts/1207206303.shtml

The lawsuit asserted that since there was no stated company policy against carrying, he should not have been fired.

I guess maybe that sign out front at my local Concerta here in Springfield, Massachusetts is the result of his lawsuit.


 
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 01, 2013, 11:43:01 AM
The lawsuit asserted that since there was no stated company policy against carrying, he should not have been fired.

My company's policy on employees with guns is just... odd.  Though, in a way, fairly logical at the same time.

Under no circumstances are we ever allowed to carry firearms, pepper spray, mace or any weapon of any kind while working, in uniform or in a company vehicle.

Unless we're on an overnight trip out in the boonies.  Then we can be packing whatever heat makes us happy.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Mexican_Hippie on June 02, 2013, 10:41:51 AM
I think you meant Concentra.  They're actually owned by Humana.

I've seen their "ghostbuster" no-guns signs here.  Those signs don't mean anything legally in Texas so I walked right on past them when I had to go there.

Where I work the policy is really broad, basically saying no weapons at all are allowed.  There's a lot of pro-gun people in our office but many of the policies are written in NY or at more of a global level. 

The HR lady in our office is pretty cool.  I told her that I'm the weapon and guns and such are just my tools.  I also asked if "these guns" were allowed (flexing my biceps).  She laughed and said that I know what the policy means, she didn't write it, and not to get myself in trouble.

Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 02, 2013, 11:49:38 AM
Don't like Concentra one bit.

I've seen broken hips misdiagnosed as muscle strains ("Just keep working your very active job walking 15 miles over uneven surfaces every day... and make sure you stretch a lot") for more than a month, and major auto accidents glossed over.  They're very obviously in the pocket of the company, at least here.  I'm hoping we're an anomaly here and they treat patients better elsewhere.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: joelevi on August 05, 2013, 04:42:32 PM
Not exactly the question that was being asked, but as far as the law is concerned in Utah, here are the places that can lawfully prohibit carrying of firearms (anything else is just a request by a property owner):

- federal or state restricted areas i.e. any airport secured area,
- federal facilities, courts, correctional & mental health facilities,
- law enforcement secured areas,
- any secured area in which firearms are prohibited and notice posted, or otherwise prohibited by state of federal law.
- a house of worship or private residence where notice given and/or posted http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/CFchurch.html (http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/CFchurch.html)

Source: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FAQ.html#2 (http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FAQ.html#2)
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: BlueHound on August 05, 2013, 11:38:50 PM
I respect a business owner's decision to ban firearms from his or her establishment, but they won't get any of my business.  Why should I walk into a place that advertises to criminals that their customers are unarmed? 

They have their policies, and I have mine.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Pathfinder on August 06, 2013, 09:08:33 AM
I'm a relative noob to this.   Everywhere I frequent regularly, I've never noticed a sign on the door.   Short of the school, I'm not aware of anywhere I'm normally going to have to stow my gun.  Guess I'm going to the right places already.

So far as boycotting a "no gun" store....I'll have to think about it.    If it is a private business, local, I'd have to say I respect that.   Thier choice.  Bigger business, corporate, not so much, seems more political.   Saying that, I would bet most local "ma and pa" stores are cool w/ it anyway.

I have become seriously weary of this argument. If a business - regardless of size - is open to the public, then they cannot discriminate. Imagine what would happen if your local, family-owned hardware store put up a sign saying No Blacks/Jews/Mexicans/Catholics/redheads/people under 6 feet/whatever, instead of the no guns sign.

And yet they freely discriminate against the lawful carrying of a concealed weapon. Why? Because it is politically and semi-culturally acceptable to do so. This is reprehensible, and why I am absolutely rigid on the enumerated rights from the Constitution, the foundational law of this country.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: RitaRose1945 on August 06, 2013, 11:49:56 AM
I have become seriously weary of this argument. If a business - regardless of size - is open to the public, then they cannot discriminate. Imagine what would happen if your local, family-owned hardware store put up a sign saying No Blacks/Jews/Mexicans/Catholics/redheads/people under 6 feet/whatever, instead of the no guns sign.

And yet they freely discriminate against the lawful carrying of a concealed weapon. Why? Because it is politically and semi-culturally acceptable to do so. This is reprehensible, and why I am absolutely rigid on the enumerated rights from the Constitution, the foundational law of this country.

Yes, but as a Libertarian, I have to say that business owners still have rights as individuals, and may choose whether they want a weapon in their establishment or not.  And you have the right to not go there.  The expression of my rights shouldn't limit yours in your own business.  If they want to limit my right to carry anywhere off their property, then they're going to get a fight, but on their property, it's their rules.

I just applied for work at a company that won't allow for any visible tattoos and has a limit of one piercing per ear, no piercings visible anywhere else.  My tattoos are covered by my pants and I haven't worn more than 2 earrings in ages.  If I didn't want to abide by those rules, then I could apply elsewhere.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Pathfinder on August 06, 2013, 03:25:52 PM
Yes, but as a Libertarian, I have to say that business owners still have rights as individuals, and may choose whether they want a weapon in their establishment or not.  And you have the right to not go there.  The expression of my rights shouldn't limit yours in your own business.  If they want to limit my right to carry anywhere off their property, then they're going to get a fight, but on their property, it's their rules.

I just applied for work at a company that won't allow for any visible tattoos and has a limit of one piercing per ear, no piercings visible anywhere else.  My tattoos are covered by my pants and I haven't worn more than 2 earrings in ages.  If I didn't want to abide by those rules, then I could apply elsewhere.

Individuals have rights, true, and if it were their home, I would agree. But we are talking about a business open to the public. Businesses - in spite of the SCOTUS ruling to the contrary - do NOT have rights, it's a corporate entity. They cannot eject anyone I described previously, so why are they allowed to discriminate against people exercising their lawful rights?

Libertarian or no, you have to insist on your rights or else they will be taken from you, piece by piece.

As for employment, that's not great but it is also part of the current game. Business can concoct all sorts of rules these days, but again, they discriminate because they can and can get away with it. Mainly because no one objects or pushes the matter. Libertarians in particular sit back and say what you say - it's their business and "right" - and miss the point that they ARE taking your rights and should not be able to do so so blatantly.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: RitaRose1945 on August 06, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
Individuals have rights, true, and if it were their home, I would agree. But we are talking about a business open to the public. Businesses - in spite of the SCOTUS ruling to the contrary - do NOT have rights, it's a corporate entity. They cannot eject anyone I described previously, so why are they allowed to discriminate against people exercising their lawful rights?

They're not discriminating against something that you have no control over.  They saying they don't want guns in their business, just as they may not want men/women with no shirts or teenagers with sagging pants or motorcycle riders with their helmets on, all of which are signs I've seen posted in my neck of the woods.  They can also limit the number of teenagers in their store at one time or close for a holiday that no one else celebrates.  Or keep it open on Christmas.  It's their store and they get to run it as they see fit.

Libertarian or no, you have to insist on your rights or else they will be taken from you, piece by piece.

But why are the customers rights more important than the business owners?  The customer can go elsewhere, the business owner can't.  Why can't the business owner run his business the way he sees fit?

Libertarians in particular sit back and say what you say - it's their business and "right" - and miss the point that they ARE taking your rights and should not be able to do so so blatantly.

Because we believe ALL people have rights, and in order to keep my rights, I have to respect and fight to keep others' rights, including the rights of those that I may not agree with.  No one's rights are less important than anyone else's, and that includes business owners.  You're on their turf, so they get to set the house rules.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: nelson96 on August 06, 2013, 06:35:05 PM
Very well said RitaRose, I whole heartedly agree with you.  I would not agree with the decision of a business owner to ban guns in their establishment, but agree that he/she has and should have every right to do so.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Duc1 on September 18, 2013, 06:07:32 PM
I wouldn't waste my time.  There are plenty of stores that don't have signs.  That's where I shop.  I don't equate not writing letters as hiding under a rock. Anti Gunners not getting my money is good enough.  Letters don't do crap but waste my time.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: excaliber on September 18, 2013, 07:15:38 PM
for the longest time I had boycotted Buffalo wild wings because I had read they didnt allow concealed carry, on a recent trip to Fort Smith AR, all my coworkers wanted to eat there so I went under protest, however I checked both entrances and windows and found no such sign. their wings were great!
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on September 19, 2013, 07:44:17 AM
for the longest time I had boycotted Buffalo wild wings because I had read they didnt allow concealed carry, on a recent trip to Fort Smith AR, all my coworkers wanted to eat there so I went under protest, however I checked both entrances and windows and found no such sign. their wings were great!

here's a question: what if an establishment has the no guns sign on one door, but not the other? i tend to walk into the door without the sign  ::)
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: Mr. Bill on September 10, 2019, 12:34:07 PM
Costco has prohibited firearms for many years.  I didn't know about this until today.  But note these ancient posts:

Costco seems to be hit or miss.  Supposedly it's corporate policy, but usually the local manager can or won't post the sign....hit or miss on the stores.

My Costco has no signs. I least I've never seen any.

I don't know how long ago they instituted their no-guns policy, but here's a photo of a March 2010 memo to Costco employees explaining the policy:

http://www.2acheck.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Costco-Internal-Gun-Policy-Memo.jpg

I like the part about "This memo should not be posted."  :o

According to 2acheck.com (http://www.2acheck.com/boycott-costco/), prior to 2014 this was an almost-secret policy that could only be found by digging through their corporate website.  In 2014 they added it to the Member Privileges & Conditions (https://www.costco.com/member-privileges-conditions.html):

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Costco policy prohibits firearms to be brought into the warehouse, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers.

More info here: Are guns & personal firearms allowed in Costco Warehouses? (https://customerservice.costco.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/709/~/are-guns-%26-personal-firearms-allowed-in-costco-warehouses%3F)

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Costco Wholesale is a membership-only warehouse club. It isn't open to the general public. As such, it restricts membership to qualified individuals who agree to our membership conditions. We have the right, and the obligation to our members, to enact and enforce our membership rules.

By obtaining a Costco membership card, our members agree to comply with the Membership Rules and the Privileges and Conditions of membership. The Member Service Employees at the exit doors are also obliged to follow these rules.

At Costco, we don't believe it's necessary to bring firearms into its warehouses, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace.

Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world. This isn't a new policy, and we don't customize this policy for each city/county/state/country where we do business.

Our primary goal at Costco Wholesale is to keep our members happy. If you believe that our policy restricting members from bringing firearms into our warehouses is unfair or excessively burdensome, or you cannot agree to abide by this policy, Costco will promptly refund your annual membership fee in full upon request. Thank you for your understanding.

My impression is that the policy is still, effectively, semi-secret.  Possibly I received a copy of the Member Privileges & Conditions when I joined in 1992, but the current version isn't posted anywhere in the store that I can see, I don't recall receiving an update in 2014 with the firearms ban, and I've never seen any "No Firearms" signs at the entrance.
Title: Re: List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?
Post by: CarbideAndIron on September 11, 2019, 06:19:22 AM
Costco want's us to buy our gun safes there, but not allow guns. Of course, hypocrisy everywhere these days. This is why I rarely OC, I can CC anywhere except a court house. They don't need to know.