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Title: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PolicePrepper on December 11, 2013, 05:23:56 PM
Anyone gonna start the thread up top? Or am I the only nerd that finished the book the same day it came out lol?
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Ms. Albatross on December 11, 2013, 06:16:54 PM
Anyone gonna start the thread up top? Or am I the only nerd that finished the book the same day it came out lol?

Huh? ???
I don't understand your comment.  As far as I know (and I just checked) the newest book hasn't been released yet.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: shambo on December 11, 2013, 06:19:46 PM
I just got the notice,  It is out today!  YYippiiiieee.  Got  mine.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PolicePrepper on December 11, 2013, 06:30:03 PM
It came out yesterday. Prepper Press did a poor job at marketing its release date. Hell, its not even on the 299days.com website as released...I found out on a Facebook post by Glenn.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Ms. Albatross on December 11, 2013, 06:30:26 PM
I just got the notice,  It is out today!  YYippiiiieee.  Got  mine.

Can you provide a link to where you got it?  I'm on Amazon right now and I don't see it.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Ms. Albatross on December 11, 2013, 06:32:27 PM
Never mind.  It wasn't coming up when I using the search 299 days.  (all the other books did)  But it did come up when I searched for Seasons of Change.  Ordering right now....
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Alan Georges on December 11, 2013, 06:38:57 PM
Can you provide a link to where you got it?  I'm on Amazon right now and I don't see it.

Rat cheer: http://www.amazon.com/299-Days-Seasons-Glen-Tate-ebook/dp/B00H7H1VFC/ref=sr_1_7?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1386812029&sr=1-7&keywords=299+days
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: shambo on December 11, 2013, 07:32:12 PM
It came out yesterday. Prepper Press did a poor job at marketing its release date. Hell, its not even on the 299days.com website as released...I found out on a Facebook post by Glenn.
I got the notice form prepper press websight.  I couldn't find it on amazon,  I had to link from prepper press.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: shambo on December 11, 2013, 07:34:25 PM
Anyone gonna start the thread up top? Or am I the only nerd that finished the book the same day it came out lol?
How did you get through it so fast.  Day off? Unemployed? Is it really short?  Are you a reading freak?
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PolicePrepper on December 11, 2013, 07:41:09 PM
How did you get through it so fast.  Day off? Unemployed? Is it really short?  Are you a reading freak?

Its short...about the same length as The Visitors (the shortest I believe of all the books). Glenn's writing style is easy to read, compared to many other authors I read. I bought the book 20 minutes after the release was announced on Facebook, but I didn't start reading until 3:00pm. I was at work, and it was my friday and slow, so I was able to get through 1/2 of the book in 3 hours (broken up due to answering calls). Then I read the other half later that night in about 2 hours. All in all, it was probably 3.5-4 hour read. I also read and comprehend insanely fast compared to 99% of the people I know. I used to finish Robert Jordan's books in 3 days (they were all around 900 pages, small type, and a higher grade level writing style).

I won't review it or ruin it (definitely won't give spoilers) until the sticky thread is made.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Hootie on December 11, 2013, 07:41:24 PM
link worked for me. Can't wait to read it.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: shambo on December 11, 2013, 07:49:24 PM
Its short...about the same length as The Visitors (the shortest I believe of all the books). Glenn's writing style is easy to read, compared to many other authors I read. I bought the book 20 minutes after the release was announced on Facebook, but I didn't start reading until 3:00pm. I was at work, and it was my friday and slow, so I was able to get through 1/2 of the book in 3 hours (broken up due to answering calls). Then I read the other half later that night in about 2 hours. All in all, it was probably 3.5-4 hour read. I also read and comprehend insanely fast compared to 99% of the people I know. I used to finish Robert Jordan's books in 3 days (they were all around 900 pages, small type, and a higher grade level writing style).

I won't review it or ruin it (definitely won't give spoilers) until the sticky thread is made.
Looks like I was half right. A reading freak and a short book. :o
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Pathfinder on December 11, 2013, 08:15:17 PM
It came out on Kindle Monday IIRC, and Tuesday on Amazon.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: MrThirteen on December 12, 2013, 03:15:04 AM
Just d/l'd myself I have been waiting sooo long for this book!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Ken325 on December 12, 2013, 04:00:22 PM
Just finished it.   I was looking forward to it after the cliff hanger in the last book.  I enjoyed it but you always want more.  I skimmed over some of the side story stuff.  I will re-read that eventually.  I will give it a good review but I wish some of the plot lines were moved more than in this book. Looks like a lot will happen in the next book.

Hope that wasn't a spoiler.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: FrugalFannie on December 12, 2013, 04:36:54 PM
I'm kind of afraid to read it. Because:







I was priveledged to get to proof read it!




Typos drive me nuts and I hope I caught them all!



Argh!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: FrugalFannie on December 12, 2013, 04:37:37 PM
And evidently I spelled priveleged wrong!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PolicePrepper on December 12, 2013, 04:49:07 PM
I'm kind of afraid to read it. Because:







I was priveledged to get to proof read it!




Typos drive me nuts and I hope I caught them all!



Argh!

I saw one, but I think it was a formatting issue, not grammatical.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on December 12, 2013, 07:21:11 PM
Just downloaded it onto my Nook.  May be snowed in by tomorrow night so I'll have nothing better to do but to bake Christmas sweets and read book 7.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: jhop on December 12, 2013, 09:01:25 PM
Awesome!  This is going to be my weekend read! ;D
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 13, 2013, 10:07:53 AM
I woke up and found this available for sale:

Kindle version:
http://www.amazon.com/299-Days-The-Change-Seasons-ebook/dp/B00H7H1VFC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386953906&sr=8-1&keywords=299+Days%3A+The+Change+of+Seasons+%5BKindle+Edition%5D
 (http://www.amazon.com/299-Days-The-Change-Seasons-ebook/dp/B00H7H1VFC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386953906&sr=8-1&keywords=299+Days%3A+The+Change+of+Seasons+%5BKindle+Edition%5D)
Paperback version:
http://www.amazon.com/299-Days-Change-Seasons-Volume/dp/0615934781/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1386954189&sr=8-2&keywords=299+Days%3A+The+Change+of+Seasons (http://www.amazon.com/299-Days-Change-Seasons-Volume/dp/0615934781/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1386954189&sr=8-2&keywords=299+Days%3A+The+Change+of+Seasons)

I just bought it at the beginning of my work day, and haven't even cracked it open yet.

I very much like the cover for a few reasons:
* There's an AR15/M16 on the cover
* Map of Puget Sound where I live
* According to the red marker, I live just on the edge of Lima controlled terrirtory - which will be of strategic importance later in the series  ;) :-X ???
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: jm_sol on December 13, 2013, 07:20:41 PM
oooo thaatt nancy ringman!!!   what a  bee ouch    sorry to  ooffeend  but she is!     
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PolicePrepper on December 14, 2013, 07:36:01 AM
I thought that part about Nancy was over the top. Would I put it past a corrupt government killing a bunch of prisoners they can't feed? No, but I think they'd be more subtle about it, like using an accident....or terrorist attack.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: ADK Dave on December 14, 2013, 10:34:32 AM
Darn! Another quick read and now I'm waiting for book eight! When's it come out????? ;-)
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Cylon on December 16, 2013, 04:34:27 AM
Yeah!

Make with book 8 or i'm sending the boys around..... ;)
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: backwoods_engineer on December 16, 2013, 04:15:40 PM
I thought that part about Nancy was over the top. Would I put it past a corrupt government killing a bunch of prisoners they can't feed? No, but I think they'd be more subtle about it, like using an accident....or terrorist attack.

I agree, I thought it was over the top, as well.  That's something that should have developed over a long period of time, not just, "Boom, here's a chapter on a Lima mass murder."  Doesn't wash.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Cylon on December 17, 2013, 03:44:47 AM
I agree, I thought it was over the top, as well.  That's something that should have developed over a long period of time, not just, "Boom, here's a chapter on a Lima mass murder."  Doesn't wash.

I hear what you guys are saying but my impression was that the speed of the chapter was deliberate. It came across to me that the callousness and uncaring nature of the Lima government which are amplified by Nancy's psychopathic tendencies towards dehumanising the "tea baggers" were extremely reminiscent of the concentration camp commandants during world war 2. In fact some of the testimony that I read/saw at the Washington Holocaust museum.

I'm sure that parallel was deliberate too. ;)
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PolicePrepper on December 19, 2013, 06:47:43 AM
I don't know if you guys thought the same way, but this book was somewhat forgettable. It was the shortest, or 2nd shortest, of the 7 and feels like it should have been combined with book 8 (depending on what book at has in store for us). Even the Nancy Rigman chapter seemed like a cutaway scene, to be followed up by another 10 chapters.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 19, 2013, 11:33:37 AM
Finally finished this last night.  Had a goofy personal schedule since buying the book. Anyhow...

I almost wish I had a chapter listing handy so I could paste here and comment on each.

Chapter to chapter, this book didn't flow.  While there was a developing plot thread about the "civil war" build up, if the chapters were not numbers and thrown in a pile, I bet few of us could correctly order them.

The good:

Within some of the chapters there was excellent content.  I really did enjoy the fresh perspective (was it Todd?) of the yuppie Bellevue couple.  I work in Bellevue, and was particularly interested in the mindset of the local population.  I also enjoy reading about resourceful tips and tricks that appear across the story.

The bad:

I personally didn't care for the military leadership/morale content.  The tone came off self-important like "look how awesome Grant is running things".  "Grant is a natural badass military leader".
The reason I didn't like that was because it was neither instructional, or interesting to me.  Basically I read prepper fiction for 2 reasons:  1) to be entertained  2) to educate myself

The final Nancy Pigman chapter was ridiculous.  Aside from comments already made in this thread, where the hell did the Lima Fcorp death squads score all the .22lr?   We haven't been able to reliably purchase .22lr in any quantity for over a year now, but during a collapse the bedwetter statist fcorp libtards are supposedly "hooked up" for rimfire, but don't have centerfire military cartridges.

Lastly, how in a matter of months are so many "true believer" Limas created?  I'm not talking about the walmart "you owe me" crowd.  I'm talking about the blood thirsty, no questions asked, fanatics.  Through history, there are three approaches to achieve unquestioning loyalty:  1) be raised in it culturally your whole life  2) become indoctrinated over time (our military spends at least 8 weeks on this in basic training)  3) threat of your own death, injury or imprisonment






Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PolicePrepper on December 19, 2013, 12:12:57 PM
I agree with your Lima comments. The statists almost feel like a caricature of how the extreme left really acts. Now those are Washington (state) liberals, which may be a different brand than the Georgia liberals I'm used to, but they don't feel real.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Hootie on December 19, 2013, 12:20:17 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PolicePrepper on December 19, 2013, 12:50:07 PM
Oh as to the .22LR comments, weren't the books written 3 years ago? There was no shortage then.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Ken325 on December 19, 2013, 12:53:32 PM
I enjoyed the book.  As always I wish we had more content and that the plot would be moved along more in the book. 

The cliff hanger from the last book was a fizzle. I was expecting a battle, and then a problem with dealing with the community, right off the bat in this book.  Didn't happen.  The community dealt with a few issues and but not much happened.  Not a lot of information on the situation outside of the community.  Not a lot of info on Grants future role or training for this role.  Not a lot on the formation, structure, and strength of the patriot forces.  A little on dealing with resource limitations.  I believe that most people would be OK during the growing season.  The problem will be food storage and growing shortages.  Gas shortages are always downplayed in this type of book as most Americans cannot even imagine getting by without a car.

The time line will be interesting in the next book.  The collapse started in early spring. This book ends in late Nov early December.  299 days equals about 10 months.  So the war must be won and a government formed in less than 3 months or 2 books.  Heavy G has already stated that he will conclude in 9 books with one to tell personal stories about people involved.   

Hopefully the next book will have lots of battles and other interesting stuff. 
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 20, 2013, 04:45:31 PM
I agree with your Lima comments. The statists almost feel like a caricature of how the extreme left really acts. Now those are Washington (state) liberals, which may be a different brand than the Georgia liberals I'm used to, but they don't feel real.

We all have biases.  I imagine HG, living in Olympia, has a unique experience.  There's really no other commercial or industrial core there, just the state government.
Of course Seattle and the eastside are loaded with huge companies you've heard of: starbucks, amazon.com, microsoft, boeing, expedia, etc.
Tons of "progressive" people in Seattle, but at least the majority are earning a living in private commerce. 

Additionally 100 miles in any direction, and the population resembles the cast of Duck Dynasty.  It's still hard for me to imagine a handful of bureaucrats overpowering a huge population of people.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: clove on December 25, 2013, 09:32:22 PM
I enjoyed the book.  I agree it wasn't as exciting or informative as some of the past books, but I feel like it's setting the stage for the big events in the next books.   In response  to the Nancy Ringman chapter, it's  nice to think that within the course of a couple month people wouldn't be so quick to 'pull the trigger' so to speak on murdering a bunch of people.  However, you have to look at it, we say as preppers, we will do anything to keep our family and ourselves safe.  You put people in positions like that and convince them that they have to kill huge numbers of people to 'survive', it suddenly becomes very justifiable.  There isn't too much difference except we are doing those things for the right reasons.  Look at a large number of the major political upheavals throughout history and the world, mass killings seem to go hand in hand.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: hanzel on December 26, 2013, 06:12:23 AM
I hear what you guys are saying but my impression was that the speed of the chapter was deliberate. It came across to me that the callousness and uncaring nature of the Lima government which are amplified by Nancy's psychopathic tendencies towards dehumanising the "tea baggers" were extremely reminiscent of the concentration camp commandants during world war 2. In fact some of the testimony that I read/saw at the Washington Holocaust museum.

I'm sure that parallel was deliberate too. ;)

 :clap:
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Alan Georges on December 26, 2013, 07:32:47 AM
Finished this morning.  Can't wait for the next book, can't wait for this thing to get moving and resolved.  Can't wait to see Ringman properly tried and hanged.  Anybody want to bet that Grant gets to preside over the trial?
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PolicePrepper on December 26, 2013, 08:55:20 AM
I don't think he would, or should, due to his connection with her. She physically assaulted his son, he's too smart to give the Limas that kind of press.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Hypax on December 27, 2013, 08:47:29 AM
Finished the book early this morn. It was a good read.  The secondary stories seemed disjointed, they didn't flow. The main story line almost seemed an afterthought. Nothing really happening there.
The final chapter leaves me a bit disturbed to be honest. Ringman was previously noted as running out of her Prozac (for anti depression), which reportedly has some of the most mild discontinuation symptoms (dizziness). Her staunch pro government attitude has become zealotry, not unexpected. The transformation to willing mass murdering camp commander seems to be over the top, considering the time line so far. I know folks will reference the Nazi rise and their actions. That took years to unfold with far more drastic circumstances leading up to it. 
Maybe naive wishful thinking on my part, but I would think such a transformation would take either a far longer time (given the current story), or more drastic and frequent firsthand events.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Alan Georges on December 27, 2013, 09:22:30 AM
I don't think he would, or should, due to his connection with her. She physically assaulted his son, he's too smart to give the Limas that kind of press.
Mmm, good point.

I hope the next book isn't so long in coming out.  It took me a while to remember all of the characters and their traits, and to get spun back into the story's world.  Dangit, Heavy G, type faster!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Chemsoldier on January 01, 2014, 04:21:46 PM
Finished the book early this morn. It was a good read.  The secondary stories seemed disjointed, they didn't flow. The main story line almost seemed an afterthought. Nothing really happening there.
The final chapter leaves me a bit disturbed to be honest. Ringman was previously noted as running out of her Prozac (for anti depression), which reportedly has some of the most mild discontinuation symptoms (dizziness). Her staunch pro government attitude has become zealotry, not unexpected. The transformation to willing mass murdering camp commander seems to be over the top, considering the time line so far. I know folks will reference the Nazi rise and their actions. That took years to unfold with far more drastic circumstances leading up to it. 
Maybe naive wishful thinking on my part, but I would think such a transformation would take either a far longer time (given the current story), or more drastic and frequent firsthand events.

I tend to agree.  Nancy Ringman has her own normalcy bias and I don't think she could make the transformation from liberal zealot to mass murderer so easy.  She is nuts, abusive and a bully but her mental conception of herself seems to be classic liberal, we will all hold hands and sing kumbaya and win over the masses through our intellect and empathy.  Then she gets nasty when things don't go her way.  The transition to openly mass murdering people would likely be a mind-f*** even for her psychotic self. 

The portrayal of an insurgency seems a little shallow as well.  G consulting with personnel who work in Special Forces (the inspiration for SF Ted) I was expecting a better dive into the constituent parts of an insurgency by doctrine (the Underground, Axillary and Guerrilla Force) and their roles.

The Preparation and The Collapse are still my favorite. The journey to the prepared lifestyle always seems the most authentic (maybe because it has already happened for the author whereas the calamity has not).

Still reading them loyally though.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Change of Seasons (Book Seven) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on January 02, 2014, 07:13:03 PM
Mmm, good point.

I hope the next book isn't so long in coming out.  It took me a while to remember all of the characters and their traits, and to get spun back into the story's world.  Dangit, Heavy G, type faster!

That's exactly why I reread books #1-6 before moving onto book #7. 

The 299 days website states the following: 
Quote
  Books Eight and Nine will come out in the Spring and Summer, and Book Ten – the 43 Colonels book – will be out by Thanksgiving.   

http://299days.com/2013-was-a-big-year-for-299-days-2014-will-be-bigger/