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Title: Current active shooter thread [ARCHIVED]
Post by: Cedar on March 31, 2014, 01:03:39 PM
I am just lumping all of them in one thread from now on..
Today's current one besides the Naval station in Washington State.

5 minutes ago:
"Active shooter" reported at Stevenson University in Maryland. No more info yet.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on March 31, 2014, 01:51:25 PM
I am just lumping all of them in one thread from now on..

I'm sorry that the world makes this a reasonable thing to do. :(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on March 31, 2014, 01:52:55 PM
Me too.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Jack Crabb on March 31, 2014, 02:36:37 PM
Check the source on the Maryland event. They just passed a bunch of laws to prevent that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on March 31, 2014, 02:50:33 PM
Of course 20 years ago we just called these things "going Postal" or domestic violence spread into the workplace or disgruntled worker on a rampage.  Now the term 'active shooter' has gone mainstream so we tend to lump all these events together, whether it's a school shooting, a domestic violence situation, or a workplace violence issue.  I don't know if it's just because the media likes the ratings because everyone tunes in to get the latest on an event which is usually over before the media even puts out the first story or if there's some bigger force pressing the issue, but it really seems to ratchet up the fear level when folks think it might be them next and the violence is everywhere. 

Remember the huge uptick in violence with 16 separate mass shootings in 2012?  It marked the second year in a row where homicides bottomed out at the lowest point since the 1960s at 4.7/100,000 (compared to a peak in 1980 of 10.2/100,000 and 1993 of 9.5/100,000).  It astounds me how the media can spin things to make it seem like we live in a more dangerous time than ever before, but violent crimes are at near-record lows.  Only in 1962 and 1963 did homicide reach 4.6, the lowest in modern record keeping (and based on some studies, the lowest in US history).

Fear causes people to make irrational decisions.  It drives people to act now rather than wait, which in turn causes debt spending, which drives company profits.  Who could possibly be behind this manipulation? ::)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Nicodemus on April 01, 2014, 05:48:35 AM
"While we are relieved with this safe outcome, this has been a sobering experience for us and our families," Manning wrote to students and staff. "This reminds us all of the importance of our 'see something, say something' mantra. Nothing is more important than your safety."

"It appears that the incident was caused by two students who had the poor judgment of hunting in the woods with two BB rifles near campus," University president Kevin Manning said in a statement Monday.

Remember, as Ralphie's mother said, "You'll shoot your eye out..."  ::)

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: busymomx3 on April 02, 2014, 03:55:03 PM
Active shooter on FT Hood right now. I don't have many details because I got a call from my BIL who is in lockdown on base. Just thought I would FYI ya.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on April 02, 2014, 04:01:46 PM
Active shooter on FT Hood right now. I don't have many details because I got a call from my BIL who is in lockdown on base. Just thought I would FYI ya.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/02/report-shooting-at-fort-hood/# (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/02/report-shooting-at-fort-hood/#)
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There are reports of a shooting at Fort Hood, according to KCEN-TV.

According to the local news outlet, there are reports of multiple injuries from a possible shooting at the military base.

The suspect is still reportedly at large.


Wonder if it's related to this:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/01/military-hunts-one-time-recruit-planning-ft-hood-style-jihad/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/01/military-hunts-one-time-recruit-planning-ft-hood-style-jihad/)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on April 02, 2014, 04:06:22 PM
http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood (http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood)
Early unconfirmed reports: three shot, shooter still at large.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 02, 2014, 04:30:27 PM
Fort Hood
- FBI on scene
- 8 injured
- 1 dead
- 2 suspects
- Central Texas College evacuated Via KCEN-TV
At least 20 shots fired. 8 taken to hospital. Reports of 3 dead. Shooter still at large.
18 ambulances, people being shuffled to them.

LIVE FEEDS
http://www.cbsatlanta.com/category/222254/cbs-livestream
http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on April 02, 2014, 04:32:24 PM
Live Feed
http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood (http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on April 02, 2014, 04:35:04 PM
Is this the Jihadist they were looking for that was going to do a Ft. Hood style attack?  If so he reqally tried to copy it.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: JerseyVince on April 02, 2014, 04:47:48 PM
Is this the Jihadist they were looking for that was going to do a Ft. Hood style attack?  If so he reqally tried to copy it.

I heard that too, TheRancher. I only saw it on the news crawler on FOX that the FBI was looking since Fri for a guy that was about to leave for Basic training and was rejected because the FBI learned of his intentions. Didn't see anything else about it
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 02, 2014, 04:48:26 PM
From the news, they seem to know who one of them is. They say he is a medical chemical worker?

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 02, 2014, 04:54:53 PM
1 person in custody, 2nd being sought - confirmed

Fort Hood soldiers watching the news from Fort Irwin
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkP9n8_CIAALwx8.jpg)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 02, 2014, 04:59:04 PM
Is this the Jihadist they were looking for that was going to do a Ft. Hood style attack?  If so he reqally tried to copy it.

FBI, military hunt ex-Army recruit suspected of plotting 'Ft. Hood-inspired jihad'
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/01/military-hunts-one-time-recruit-planning-ft-hood-style-jihad/

I could only find it on Fox

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on April 02, 2014, 05:05:12 PM
FBI, military hunt ex-Army recruit suspected of plotting 'Ft. Hood-inspired jihad'
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/01/military-hunts-one-time-recruit-planning-ft-hood-style-jihad/

I could only find it on Fox

Cedar
Huh, that looks familiar.  ;)

(http://i.imgur.com/wm1Pyuk.png)

 :P
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 02, 2014, 05:07:25 PM
Sorry. Z was heading out the door. SP was hungry. Trying to listen to the news. Duckling lady coming..

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 02, 2014, 05:18:57 PM
Shooter at Fort Hood is dead, U.S. officials tell CNN; still looking for another
15 people injured

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: busymomx3 on April 02, 2014, 05:21:52 PM
Thanks guys. I was heading out taking baby to a dr appointment and didn't have time to post or find legit news. I'm sitting in dr lobby now.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 02, 2014, 05:26:40 PM
Currently they think the only shooter is down. Fort Hood gunman died of self-inflicted wound,

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Josh the Aspie on April 02, 2014, 05:38:25 PM
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/02/breaking-another-shooting-at-fort-hood/

Another article on the shooting.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 02, 2014, 05:50:25 PM
4 soldiers in critical condition


Current numbers - At least 4 dead, including gunman, in Ft. Hood shootings, Texas Rep. Michael McCaul tells CNN. Not clear if that is the above soldiers too.

Ivan Lopez has been ID'd as the shooter


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 02, 2014, 08:11:52 PM
NEW ONE:
Kent State University
in Ohio says shot fired near Bowman Hall at main campus, students told to seek shelter.

Scanner http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/2106

Kent State's Bowman Hall and Business Administration Building now being evacuated. According to scanner traffic, police have found blood near Bowman Hall and are taping an area off

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: busymomx3 on April 02, 2014, 09:15:11 PM
Fort Hood has lifted the lockdown. 4 dead. 14 injured.
us.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=26048&external=2605816.proteus.fma
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on April 02, 2014, 09:25:50 PM
I will never understand why we trust young men and women in uniform to protect and defend the interests of the United States around the world, but they're not permitted to protect themselves while on US soil.  There is something wrong when even the officers on US bases don't carry weapons.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Tactical Hamster on April 02, 2014, 10:02:20 PM
If anything I would rather officers not carry loaded weapons. My favorite negligent discharge was from my old Squadron Commander trying to clear his weapon. Has a loaded M4, racks the handle and a round flies out. Looks confused and racks it again, another round flies out. Shrugs his shoulders and pulls the trigger, into the floorboard of his humvee. Apparently he required a new drain hole.

I was deployed from Hood when the Maj whatever his name was shooting happened.

It really is quite comical. During basic training you carry a weapon almost all the time to become comfortable with it, just no ammo.

When you get to your unit you can't touch a weapon without "daddy."

When you deploy you get your weapon and 210+ rounds of ammo and always have at least 30 on you 24 hours a day.

Return from deployment it is back to "daddy."

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on April 02, 2014, 10:31:11 PM
If anything I would rather officers not carry loaded weapons. My favorite negligent discharge was from my old Squadron Commander trying to clear his weapon. Has a loaded M4, racks the handle and a round flies out. Looks confused and racks it again, another round flies out. Shrugs his shoulders and pulls the trigger, into the floorboard of his humvee. Apparently he required a new drain hole.

Return from deployment it is back to "daddy."
I guess I've always had training on hot ranges where every gun is assumed to be loaded and treated accordingly.  I see no reason the military couldn't learn to play safely with guns just like every law enforcement agency in the country. Yes, there's rare negligence, but with proper training it's seldom anything other than property damage.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Tactical Hamster on April 02, 2014, 10:37:05 PM
Complacency is the biggest issue with negligent discharge. The military can't do ranges for crap though. I have been on ranges with people firing around me while going down range, fire fights are not a 2D environment yet they are treated as such. Most commanders cannot wrap their heads around that. Change is hard, especially in the military.

Everyone is pretty capable of handling the weapons, that is one reason they are in the military, to be shooters.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 03, 2014, 03:03:36 AM
Suspected Shooter at Kent State University tracked down off campus and is in custody.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Josh the Aspie on April 03, 2014, 10:42:06 AM
I hope they found and arrested the right guy, and that the current suspect will get a fair trial to help determine that fact.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on April 03, 2014, 05:51:50 PM
I will never understand why we trust young men and women in uniform to protect and defend the interests of the United States around the world, but they're not permitted to protect themselves while on US soil.  There is something wrong when even the officers on US bases don't carry weapons.

I don't disagree, but when I made the same statement to my cousin whom just got out of the Army, he said "HAVE YOU BEEN AROUND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THEY'RE LETTING IN THESE DAYS?"
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on April 03, 2014, 09:36:53 PM
I don't disagree, but when I made the same statement to my cousin whom just got out of the Army, he said "HAVE YOU BEEN AROUND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THEY'RE LETTING IN THESE DAYS?"

They've actually been more selective over the past few years.  With the number of people long term unemployed, they've had a better pool to choose from and could afford to be more picky.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Tactical Hamster on April 03, 2014, 10:05:12 PM
They've actually been more selective over the past few years.  With the number of people long term unemployed, they've had a better pool to choose from and could afford to be more picky.

Perhaps they have been more selective, but the problem has already been implemented. The standards were set soo low that all the crap has risen up some and now has some rank. The collection of constant deployments and crap rules and regulations forced most of the good officers and higher enlisted to the contractor sector to make better money. This left a really low standard of the higher ups who made even more stupid rules and watered down what it meant to be in the military. The change I saw between 2005 and 2014 is incredible. Most of the new guys I had in my last unit were the sorriest bunch, not in the "oh they have never deployed," mentality we have in the military. It is like a group of Gomer Pyle, but not comical. PT, weapons and tactics are gone along with dicipline.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Ms. Albatross on April 03, 2014, 10:35:39 PM
They've actually been more selective over the past few years.

I don't think this particular situation has anything to do with how selective the military has or has not been.  It's about how they deal with service members with mental health issues.  As someone who was personally impacted by how the Army deals with mental illness, I know that that they don't have enough resources and don't handle it in a timely way and in a way that minimizes the effects on the family and the soldier. :'(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on April 03, 2014, 10:38:55 PM
I don't think this particular situation has anything to do with how selective the military has or has not been.  It's about how they deal with service members with mental health issues.  As someone who was personally impacted by how the Army deals with mental illness, I know that that they don't have enough resources and don't handle it in a timely way and in a way that minimizes the effects on the family and the soldier. :'(

My cousin told me what I referenced several years ago.  And wasn't referencing people with mental illness, he was describing the unsavory's we see in our inner cities. . . .  Drugs, gangs, thieves, etc.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Tactical Hamster on April 04, 2014, 09:42:49 AM
I don't think this particular situation has anything to do with how selective the military has or has not been.  It's about how they deal with service members with mental health issues.  As someone who was personally impacted by how the Army deals with mental illness, I know that that they don't have enough resources and don't handle it in a timely way and in a way that minimizes the effects on the family and the soldier. :'(

I don't think the post about the selection of soldiers was in response to the actual incident, just the military in general. I do completely agree that the military does not have the capacity to handle what is going on. The soldiers today have spent far more time in combat or preparation for combat then ever before, the family system is completely broken down and they have no support. I spent more time in a combat zone then I spent in high school and struggled with suicide and almost losing my family time and time again.

I personally thought that getting out of the military would have fixed my problems some, but it really just got worse. I prepared early as hell to try and get a job and SSDI as well as my education benefits. The VA managed to screw every thing up. I went in super early for my mental health appointments and they stated they were going to sign me up for everything, and I never heard back from anyone.

It is no surprise that these things happen, and the talking heads just equate it to how evil the baby killing soldiers are, with no idea of what made the problem. Most people I talk to do not even realize we are still in Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on April 04, 2014, 10:15:42 AM
It is no surprise that these things happen, and the talking heads just equate it to how evil the baby killing soldiers are, with no idea of what made the problem. Most people I talk to do not even realize we are still in Afghanistan.

yup. my brother is over there now.....
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Josh the Aspie on April 04, 2014, 04:20:57 PM
Heck, we're still in Japan, Korea, and Germany.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on April 09, 2014, 08:04:02 AM
not quite a shooting:
At least 20 students were injured in a stabbing incident at Pennsylvania's Franklin Regional High School this morning, an official says. Watch breaking news coverage now on CNN TV.

A suspect was in custody after the stabbings at the school in Murrysville, about 15 miles east of downtown Pittsburgh, authorities said.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 09, 2014, 08:53:55 AM
LIVE FEED: http://www.wpxi.com/videos/news/wpxi-live-news/vsQ2Z/

A doctor at Forbes Regional Hospital says seven of the victims suffered life threatening injuries. Dr. Chris Kaufman says two victims were in the operating room and one was awaiting surgery.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 09, 2014, 09:07:01 AM
And now... At least 4 people stabbed in Toronto office building
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/04/09/north-york-office-building-stabbing-sends-several-to-hospital-after-reports-of-a-man-with-scissors/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+toronto-news+%28NationalPost+-+Toronto%29

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on April 09, 2014, 09:48:09 AM
the crazies will find a way.  nothing to do with guns.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on April 09, 2014, 09:49:33 AM
the crazies will find a way.  nothing to do with guns.
So very true.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on April 09, 2014, 07:18:56 PM
the crazies will find a way.  nothing to do with guns.

Exactly.  If you remove every way you can think of, they just get more creative.

They're not rational people.

I don't know of any person that has ever said "I want to kill someone, but guns are illegal.  So I guess I'll just have some ice cream.  Anyone else want some?"
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on April 09, 2014, 07:29:49 PM
Exactly.  If you remove every way you can think of, they just get more creative.

They're not rational people.

I don't know of any person that has ever said "I want to kill someone, but guns are illegal.  So I guess I'll just have some ice cream.  Anyone else want some?"
Yep, pressure cooker anyone?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 09, 2014, 07:52:19 PM
They still stone people in many countries.
Cain killed Abel with a non-descript murder weapon. Stone or bare hands we have no real idea.

Jael, the wife of Heber, assassinated a rival king by driving a nail through his skull.

http://gawker.com/5917689/texas-man-who-killed-four-year-old-daughters-molester-with-bare-hands-hailed-as-hero

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 13, 2014, 08:25:25 PM
This happened a few hours ago, been keeping track of it.
http://www.bnowire.com/2014/04/13/gunman-kills-3-at-jewish-locations-in-kansas-on-eve-of-passover/

PASSOVER EVE ATTACK:
- Shots fired at 2 Jewish locations in Overland Park, Kansas
- 3 dead, 2 others missed
- Suspect: White male, 70s, yelled "heil Hitler"

3 minutes ago:
Gunman in Kansas shootings identified as 73-year-old Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. who founded White Patriot Party in 80s - SPLC
Wife of suspect in Ks. shootings said he had visited casino yesterday, called wife this morning to say "his winnings were up"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Patriot_Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_Glenn_Miller_Jr.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TexasGirl on April 14, 2014, 12:57:57 AM
This happened a few hours ago, been keeping track of it.
http://www.bnowire.com/2014/04/13/gunman-kills-3-at-jewish-locations-in-kansas-on-eve-of-passover/

PASSOVER EVE ATTACK:
- Shots fired at 2 Jewish locations in Overland Park, Kansas
- 3 dead, 2 others missed
- Suspect: White male, 70s, yelled "heil Hitler"

3 minutes ago:
Gunman in Kansas shootings identified as 73-year-old Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. who founded White Patriot Party in 80s - SPLC
Wife of suspect in Ks. shootings said he had visited casino yesterday, called wife this morning to say "his winnings were up"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Patriot_Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_Glenn_Miller_Jr.

Cedar

TPTB are working hard to demonize patriots.  Lamestream media tries to paint patriots in a bad light or suggest that common criminals are patriot group members.  It wouldn't surprise me to see false flag events appear which are blamed on patriots soon.

~TG
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 14, 2014, 07:54:32 AM
TPTB are working hard to demonize patriots.  Lamestream media tries to paint patriots in a bad light or suggest that common criminals are patriot group members.  It wouldn't surprise me to see false flag events appear which are blamed on patriots soon.

Frazier Glenn Miller Jr. is a Patriot?

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TexDaddy on April 14, 2014, 05:23:21 PM
TPTB are working hard to demonize patriots.  Lamestream media tries to paint patriots in a bad light or suggest that common criminals are patriot group members.  It wouldn't surprise me to see false flag events appear which are blamed on patriots soon...
Did you even click on the link to see what type of group the White Patriot Party is? That kind of patriot will burn in hell.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 14, 2014, 05:25:43 PM
That kind of patriot will burn in hell.

We can hope.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on April 14, 2014, 05:37:29 PM
The couple who lost their son and the daughter's grandfather have been granting interviews to the local news.   Apparently the grandfather and grandson had just arrived at the JCC campus and had just opened their doors to exit the vehicle when they were ambushed and murdered in cold blood.

As we see too often, these locations (JCC campus and Shalom Plaza) are posted "gun-free" zones (I have personally seen the signs there in the past). 

It takes a special kind of coward to kill the unarmed and elderly in cold blood.  While I offer my thoughts and prayers to the family and friends of those who were murdered I send a message to KS Gov. Brownback to revive the death penalty for this scumbag responsible for the calculated and cold blooded murder of three innocent people.  It should be noted that there is still one teen in the hospital fighting for his life (critical condition).
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on April 14, 2014, 07:14:30 PM
When I was a kid, "patriots" were people that loved their country and risked their lives to keep it free.

Now the word has been corrupted so people only think of paranoid nutjobs that are plotting the bombing of a government building or a$$holes burning crosses on someone's lawn.

That's not patriotic to me.  Patriotic is doing the work and standing up for everyone's freedom.

It takes a special kind of coward to kill the unarmed and elderly in cold blood.

So very true.  Kind of tells a lot about someone when they choose the elderly or children as victims.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Josh the Aspie on April 15, 2014, 07:33:58 AM
It takes a special kind of coward to kill the unarmed and elderly in cold blood.

Really?  I'd think that anyone who was going to try to kill strangers in cold blood, and was going to pick targets (rather than shoot out wherever they are), would aim for the weak and vulnerable on purpose.  After you make those two assumptions, it just makes sense.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on April 15, 2014, 07:54:50 AM
Local news update on status of suspect and charges:
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/14/4959101/kansas-city-mother-third-victim.html
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Frazier Glenn Miller Jr., 73, of Aurora, Mo., also known as Frazier Glenn Cross, could be charged as soon as today in Johnson County District Court, where he probably will face murder counts. District Attorney Steve Howe said information about charges could be released this morning.

Miller will face hate-crime charges in federal court, based on allegations that he was motivated by bias, said Barry Grissom, the U.S. attorney for Kansas
.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TexasGirl on April 15, 2014, 08:27:28 AM
Did you even click on the link to see what type of group the White Patriot Party is? That kind of patriot will burn in hell.

I'm not supporting what they do or are about (I consider them scum trash), only saying the controlled media, the administration, and the minions activist groups, are connecting the word "Patriot" to evil people, evil actions, and slanderous deeds, in order to villify real patriot people.  I wouldn't be surprised if that whole "White Patriot Party" was a CIA or FBI planted straw organization for this sole purpose.

Someone should dig for ties.

~TG
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on April 15, 2014, 09:13:32 AM
Someone should dig for ties.

His organization began in the mid-1970s as the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.. The KKK started in 1865. On a sidenote, I was very surprised at how many KKK groups there aren't in the southern states and I was surprised that Texas has the most KKK groups at 18 of them.

18. Texas
11. Mississippi
 9. North Carolina
 5. Arkansas
 4. Alabama

Twenty five years ago Miller was charged with Sunday’s three hate murders outside Kansas City, Frazier Glenn Miller figured prominently in a triple hate homicide in North Carolina.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/15/the-kc-klansman-s-missing-years-as-a-federal-informant.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/gunman-killed-3-jewish-center-kansas-violent-ex-kkk-member-article-1.1755618
The video on this last link was interesting
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/gunman-killed-3-jewish-center-kansas-violent-ex-kkk-member-article-1.1755618

He dropped out of high school, and joined the United States Army and served in the Special Forces. He served two tours of duty in South Vietnam during the Vietnam War. He was discharged from the army as a sergeant in 1979, for distributing racist propaganda. During his time as leader of the WPP, he unsuccessfully sought both the Democratic Party's 1984 nomination for Governor of North Carolina, and the 1986 Republican Party's nomination for a seat in the United States Senate. Miller was on the run at the time when he was arrested, having absconded while appealing a conviction for defying a court ban against engaging in paramilitary activities. He had issued a declaration of war against the government.

While he was in jail/prison, his White Patriot Party that he founded, kicked him out and then the group died.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070930013115/http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=127

This is his website http://www.whty.org/
He mostly accuses people of a certain religion being the heads of different media corporations. Maybe Miller could have done the same if he did not drop out of highschool in the 10th grade.

In 2012 he spoke to a class studying religious extremism at Missouri State
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/professor-explains-kansas-city-shooters-visit

This guy is solo... Like the teacher Embree mentioned in the article above,  “When he came to my class the first thing he did was show a video of himself at a Klan rally 20 or 25 years ago.Those were the best days of his life.” Then, he was the leader of something, he was running for North Carolina govenor http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=66118 since then, he has not been much of a 'howdoyado'. Maybe shooting people made him feel like someone, or he was doing what I call a 'chicken suicide'. He wanted to make the papers and 'be someone', but he wanted the police to kill him. Ironically two of the three people he killed were not even his intended target. They were Methodists. I figure this guy should be in the same place as Phelps.

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on April 15, 2014, 09:23:56 AM
@ Cedar, the third victim to date was Catholic.  Yes, I agree, he was looking for his 15 min of fame.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on May 05, 2014, 11:21:27 AM
http://www.fox45now.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/wrgt_vid_19969.shtml (http://www.fox45now.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/wrgt_vid_19969.shtml)
Shooting at the VA hospital in Dayton, OH.  Suspect in custody. 

Still an active floor to floor search.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Josh the Aspie on May 05, 2014, 11:29:55 AM
Wouch.  If I recall correctly, that's one of the hospitals with the secret waiting list.  I wonder if that's related to his motivation.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 05, 2014, 11:41:10 AM
LIVE FEED http://wdtn.com/live/ VA Medical Center Dayton, OH

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 05, 2014, 12:43:18 PM
19 minutes ago:
Georgia Regents University and other Augusta, GA schools on lockdown after reports of a shooting at Paine College - WJBF-TV

"This is an active shooter situation and we are barricaded in the office," Paine College spokesperson tells WSB-TV

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: EagleSteel on May 05, 2014, 01:35:05 PM
My wife is an RN at a hospital in PA and they started a new policy for active shooters. Two things drive me nuts.

1. The have security guards but refuse to have them armed.

2. And I kid you not......When an active shooter is reported they call out a code on the PA system to alert everyone. Want to guess what it is? 

Code grey? Nope
Code Black? Nope
Code steel? Nope

Code Gun? Yep that is it!!!!!! So instead of a code that would alert the staff and help get innocent folks to safety they yell out Code Gun and induce panic throughout the hospital.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on May 05, 2014, 07:25:15 PM
The have security guards but refuse to have them armed.

Why bother?

Our campus police are exactly that - police, not security guards.  And we have cameras installed in conference rooms where we have some emotional meetings (like with parents, or telling students they're being let go after spending some pretty big money getting there).  I've seen them sit outside the room and watch the monitor just in case.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on May 05, 2014, 09:35:26 PM
19 minutes ago:
Georgia Regents University and other Augusta, GA schools on lockdown after reports of a shooting at Paine College - WJBF-TV

"This is an active shooter situation and we are barricaded in the office," Paine College spokesperson tells WSB-TV

Cedar

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/gas-paine-college-locked-shooting-23594369

Suspect in custody, victim with life-threatening wound to head, 2nd shooting on same campus in two days.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 10, 2014, 09:37:05 PM
ACTIVE SHOOTER: Garden State Plaza mall in Paramus, NJ on lock down due to active shooter situation.
New Jersey State Police on scene at Garden State Plaza in NJ; reports of shots fired not yet confirmed
New Jersey State Police confirm shots fired at Garden State Plaza mall; no word on injuries - CBS NY
Confirmed shots fired at Garden State Plaza mall in Paramus. Mall being evacuated
Traffic jam as customers try to evacuate following shots fired at Garden State Plaza mall.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnUSSnFCEAAcFT9.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnUS2JtIUAApJGw.jpg:large)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 10, 2014, 10:40:10 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/garden-state-mall-evacuated-reports-shot-fired-article-1.1787651
The Garden State Plaza Mall in Paramus, N.J., was evacuated after unidentified noises feared to be gunshots were heard. A burning car outside Macy’s appeared to be the source of the explosive sounds, but police could not confirm that. Sources say SWAT teams were dispatched to the mall.

Cedar


Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: JerseyVince on May 12, 2014, 12:33:28 PM
The "Gunshots" were a metal store display in Macy's as it hit the floor as panicked shoppers ran because the rumor mill was running wild as the car burned ouside. Only in Jersey can a car fire turn into the Tet-Offensive with reports of VC going over the wire. People are so glued to their phones and pay no attention to what is actually happening, they would be better served using their Visual sensors (eyes) and actually process life in front of them
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 03, 2014, 11:44:49 PM
1 hour ago:
Fort Hood says shots fired at Liberty Village on base, says "isolated incident" now over. No word on injuries.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: David in MN on June 04, 2014, 05:50:15 AM
I regrettably must follow this thread.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 04, 2014, 08:48:47 PM
ACTIVE SHOOTER: Police identify Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada gunman as 24-year-old Justin Bourque, manhunt continues.

People are asked to stay away from the area around the Moncton Coliseum, Worthington Avenue, Preston Crescent and Elmhurst Drive.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/3-rcmp-officers-dead-2-wounded-in-moncton-shooting-1.2665359
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/newsalert-manhunt-moncton-n-b-undisclosed-number-people-002523152.html?cmp=cafb_news
http://www.cumberlandnewsnow.com/News/Local/2014-06-04/article-3751552/Amherst-police-officers-involved-in-Moncton-manhunt/1?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpU5cB9IEAAdXtt.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpVIOYIIAAEQxWP.jpg)

- Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada
- Carrying rifles, dressed in camouflage
- 3 officers dead, 2 wounded
- RCMP: Stay inside, lock doors

DRAMATIC VIDEO: Residents watch in horror as Canadian gunman kills cops -
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWhSUkb4FXk

News Video http://globalnews.ca/video/1375332/moncton-shooting-3-rcmp-officers-killed

Possibly his facebook. https://www.facebook.com/justin.bourque.5682 People are saying as of 30 minutes ago, after this started, he is adding friends to his FB.

His alleged last FB post:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpVDnOhIQAA6VTj.png)

Which are evidently MegaDeath lyrics from "Hook In Mouth"
http://www.metrolyrics.com/hook-in-mouth-lyrics-megadeth.html
If you want to hear it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF7wQZGnKnA

5 Fast Facts
http://heavy.com/news/2014/06/justin-bourque-shooting-moncton-facebook/

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 04, 2014, 09:41:09 PM
UPDATE: RCMP says Moncton gunman now believed to be in Pinehurst Subdivision; residents urged to stay inside and lock doors. Mayor George Leblanc asked the residents to turn on outside lights so police can see the shooter.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: LJH on June 04, 2014, 09:44:44 PM
Damn. I've owned that album since it first came out and never thought about going on a shooting rampage. Dude is seriously mental.  :(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 04, 2014, 09:48:11 PM
M1A and a shotgun.  Hopefully they are getting some of the tactical types on scene. Rubbish at warrants on pot heads but rather suited to a madman with a .308 rifle.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 04, 2014, 09:52:11 PM
What is a M1A please.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 04, 2014, 10:15:45 PM
What is a M1A please.

Cedar
.308 caliber, semi-automatic, magazine fed rifle.  It is the civilian version of the old M-14 rifle.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 04, 2014, 10:17:25 PM
What is a M1A please.

Cedar
7.62x51 NATO (.308) semi-automatic rifle with a 20 round box fed magazine.  Civilian version of the M-14, a Korean to early Vietnam era battle rifle with a long effective range and excellent stopping power.  Not my first choice of guns to go up against.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Canadian Prepper on June 04, 2014, 10:30:15 PM
This is awfully tragic, and the second time in my life that several RCMP were shot at once when responding to an incident.

The fellow's FB page shows considerable disdain for the police, and it seems as though he's only targeting them. The photo of him walking around was taken by a passerby who was unaware of what had happened and he apparently ignored another lady with a dog who came into contact with him.

It's especially unfortunate that he's still on the loose and believed to be wandering or hunkered down in a residential neighbourhood after nightfall. I sure hope that the RCMP are able to corner him and capture or kill him without anyone else getting harmed. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 04, 2014, 10:34:16 PM
I sure hope that the RCMP are able to corner him and capture or kill him without anyone else getting harmed.

Me too CP

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 04, 2014, 11:35:11 PM
"MEDIA, please call Moncton RCMPNB ASAP, tell them to scramble their radio frequencies! Live scanners are being tweeted."

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 05, 2014, 11:50:39 AM
3 hours ago:
RCMP says Moncton gunman was last spotted earlier this morning, but he was able to get away

3 minutes ago:
Officers, armored trucks surround building in Moncton where manhunt is on for cop killer - CBC News

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 05, 2014, 06:01:19 PM
New Brunswick shooter still at large.

Justin Bourque: What we know about Moncton shooting suspect
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/justin-bourque-what-we-know-about-moncton-shooting-suspect-1.2665900

"He's always seemed to have a problem with authority," Caitlin Isaac, who worked with Bourque at Wal-Mart several years ago, told Business Insider, adding that he had issues "with parents, bosses, police." She said that Bourque was eventually fired from that job. "I never took him seriously, but he always said he wanted to go out with a bang and bring people with him," she said.... Bourque had been raised in an extremely religious Christian household and had been homeschooled.

Cedar

PS this woman is CLUELESS -- She needs to take geography class over again.. and learn Canadian gun laws.
Catherine Pasquale ?@catpasquale 1minute ago "I've never been more ashamed of the United States. How many shootings does it take to prove we need to make changes? #StopTheTrend #Moncton"

PSS http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/06/05/nfa-moncton-shooting-gun-laws-statement_n_5455994.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 05, 2014, 06:04:45 PM
LIVE FEED: http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/shooting-seattle-pacific-university/ngFbf/

1 hour ago:
Shots fired at Seattle Pacific University, campus on lockdown. Seattle Fire Department reports multiple victims in shooting at Seattle Pacific University. Seattle Pacific University, a private Christian university, has about 4,000 students. The university sits on a 40-acre campus located in a residential neighborhood on the north slope of Queen Anne Hill, about 10 minutes from Seattle's downtown.

At least 4 victims found "so far" after shooting at Seattle Pacific University http://www.spu.edu/ , police say. 1 suspect in custody.
- Otto Miller Hall
- At least 4 victims, one receiving CPR, 7 total injured/dead.At least 1 man deceased.
- 1 in custody, 2nd suspect sought for a bit,no second shooter. Suspects vehicle is a white extended cab pickup.

One victim, an adult male, receiving CPR after shooting at Seattle Pacific University; conditions of other victims unknown - KIRO-TV

Seattle PD say searching for 2nd suspect described as white male with long sleeve blue shirt with vertical stripes

UPDATE: KOMO-TV, citing medics, reporting at least 7 victims, including gunman, at Seattle Pacific University
Harborview Medical Center says has received 4 victims so far, one of them critically injured, but hospital is expecting at least 2 more.

Two ROTC (or staff) took down gunman on reload.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpZwohdCEAAcMgU.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpZreojCcAAjD5l.jpg:large)

2nd UPDATE: Chief Fowler stated, suspect used shotgun. Suspect was pepper sprayed.

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 05, 2014, 07:17:59 PM
As I am checking in on the Moncton situation every little while, as it is going on 24 hours now..... With lockdown, with stores, schools closed. Yet another reason for having preps food, water, safe room, ect in the house if you cannot leave your home.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 05, 2014, 08:10:23 PM
Seattle has gone past Portland on the crazy meter.

So sad and useless... :'(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 05, 2014, 08:25:00 PM
PS this woman is CLUELESS -- She needs to take geography class over again.. and learn Canadian gun laws.
Catherine Pasquale ?@catpasquale 1minute ago "I've never been more ashamed of the United States. How many shootings does it take to prove we need to make changes? #StopTheTrend #Moncton"

PSS http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/06/05/nfa-moncton-shooting-gun-laws-statement_n_5455994.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

wait, isn't Canada a state?  isn't it like, up north over there somewhere?  Above New York? or was it like east of Alaska.  huh, anyway, it is time and past for guns to be gone from there  ::)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TexasGirl on June 05, 2014, 08:30:58 PM
wait, isn't Canada a state?  isn't it like, up north over there somewhere?  Above New York? or was it like east of Alaska.  huh, anyway, it is time and past for guns to be gone from there  ::)

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 05, 2014, 11:19:09 PM
1 hour ago:
After 30 hour lockdown, gunman Justin Bourque has been caught and arrested. Eyewitness says man came out with his arms up and said "i'm done"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpa23mKIUAA5HIj.jpg:large)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 05, 2014, 11:21:28 PM
Suspect in Seattle Pacific University shooting has been identified as Aaron Ybarrra of Mountlake Terrace, Wash., by a law-enforcement source. The suspect in the Seattle Pacific University shooting was not a student at the school. Shooting suspect had 'an intent' not just to shoot randomly. Still talking to detectives at police headquarters.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/shooting-seattle-pacific-university/ngFbf/
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/718378-aaron-ybarra-idd-as-suspect-in-seattle-pacific-university-shooting/

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: NCFreedom on June 06, 2014, 12:46:32 PM
"Sources told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Marx, 48, was a gun trader who identified as a member of anti-government extremist group known as the “sovereign citizens.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-courthouse-locked-cop-involved-shooting-article-1.1819701#ixzz33t0jFXD1
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/06/justice/georgia-courthouse-shooting/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-courthouse-locked-cop-involved-shooting-article-1.1819701
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 06, 2014, 03:38:45 PM
It appears the Georgia case is an example of how an immediate armed response is key to resolving mass murder situations. A deputy was able to engage him almost immediately.  A SWAT team nearby on unrelated business was able to respond less than a minute after the incident started and got into the fight as well.  Result: only good guy casualties was the deputy suffered non life threatening gunshot wounds to the leg(s).

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 06, 2014, 05:42:25 PM
"Sources told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Marx, 48, was a gun trader who identified as a member of anti-government extremist group known as the “sovereign citizens.”

Sorry, but those guys scare the crap out of me.

We had some here in Vegas, and they were basically plotting to take out cops one by one - judge, jury and executioner.  While I do agree we have a few really bad cops here, you can't just start picking them off because you feel like it.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 06, 2014, 06:45:19 PM
Sorry, but those guys scare the crap out of me.

We had some here in Vegas, and they were basically plotting to take out cops one by one - judge, jury and executioner.  While I do agree we have a few really bad cops here, you can't just start picking them off because you feel like it.
Some of the cases I have seen sounded like marginal personalities who found an idea to justify behaving like a goon and acting self righteous afterwards.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 06, 2014, 06:51:40 PM
Some of the cases I have seen sounded like marginal personalities who found an idea to justify behaving like a goon and acting self righteous afterwards.

Honestly, I think that's the case for most messed up groups.  You're basically finding something to justify your behavior, even though you know society as a whole thinks it's wrong.  But if one or two other guys agree, then you can unite against the world because now you're not crazy, you're a soldier in a right-fighting army.
 ::)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 06, 2014, 08:35:41 PM
Third one in three days
Georgia courthouse shooter had explosives, assault rifle, sheriff says
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/06/justice/georgia-courthouse-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 08, 2014, 01:21:21 PM
Going on right now in North Las Vegas:

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25723142/breaking-news-2-metro-officers-shot-near-nellis-and-stewart (http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25723142/breaking-news-2-metro-officers-shot-near-nellis-and-stewart)

Quote
According to police, two people walked into a Cici Pizza restaurant at 309 North Nellis and appeared to target two Metro officers who were eating at the restaurant. One person shot one officer in the head. The second person shot the second officer. There is no word on the officers' conditions.  The two suspects then left the restaurant and went into the Wal-Mart store across the street. Police have surrounded the Wal-Mart.

I have heard that police have entered the Wal-Mart.

I'm curious if this was a personal vendetta, a gang retaliation or even possibly a "sovereign citizen" deal.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 08, 2014, 01:37:06 PM
Update on the N. Las Vegas situation - per the same article I linked to, updated:

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Police say witnesses told them the suspects took the police officers' gear and, as they were walking out of the restaurant after the shooting, they said, " tell the police the revolution has begun."
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 08, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/fire-rescue/five-reported-dead-northeast-las-vegas-police-ambush

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...sources within the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department say the officer and another were shot and killed by a man and a woman who approached them as they ate lunch at the CiCi’s Pizza at 309 N. Nellis Boulevard at about 11:20 a.m.

One officer was reportedly dead at the scene, while the other died later in surgery. Both were assigned to the Northeast Area Command.

Witnesses told police one yelled “This is the start of a revolution” before shooting the officers. The shooters then stripped the officers of their weapons and ammunition and went into the Walmart at 201 North Nellis.

Witnesses at the scene reported hearing shots fired in quick succession inside the WalMart.

One unconfirmed report is that the two exchanged gunfire with a citizen who was carrying a concealed weapon, and that one of the shooters was injured. Police confirm that at least one civilian at the Walmart was shot and killed. ...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 08, 2014, 04:48:16 PM
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/fire-rescue/five-reported-dead-northeast-las-vegas-police-ambush

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One unconfirmed report is that the two exchanged gunfire with a citizen who was carrying a concealed weapon, and that one of the shooters was injured.

Yeah, we actually give out concealed carry permits here, so it's entirely possible that someone shopping there was carrying.  Not the best neighborhood either.  Not the very worst, but definitely not the best.  Jay used to live about a mile from where it all happened, and was very happy when he moved.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 08, 2014, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: Yahoo! News
The attackers then headed to a nearby Walmart store, exchanging gunfire with and ultimately killing a civilian who was carrying a concealed weapon.

Tragic.  Odin, make room for three more in Valhalla. :'(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nimzy88 on June 08, 2014, 07:15:43 PM
Rough day at work...   :'(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 08, 2014, 07:18:46 PM
According to the latest reports, they shot the cops, pretty much ambushed them while they were eating lunch at a family-friendly pizza/buffet chain.  There had to be a TON of kids there.  They yelled something about "This is a revolution" or "Tell the police the revolution has begun."  One cop got off a shot, but then they took the cops' gear and went across the street to the Wal-Mart, which was probably packed with kids as well.

At Wal-Mart, they went inside and then shot someone near the door (no details yet).  They were surrounded, so then the woman shot the man and then turned the gun on herself, which was probably planned from the beginning.

Both cops were dads.

Metro PD is ordering that all units double up, since sometimes they have one to a car.

Just really sad.  And while I'm not always the biggest fan of some of Metro's finest (there are really good and really bad - not much in between), this is bringing out the worst in some of Vegas's lowlifes.  I've already had an argument with someone local (online friend of a distant relative) that was cheering.  Sick.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 08, 2014, 07:27:14 PM

Metro PD is ordering that all units double up, since sometimes they have one to a car.

I never agreed with single officer patrol. Too many directions to look in at once. Additionally, another officer gives confidence to officers on their ability to handle a situation.  Scared officers escalate force faster. One officer might shoot when two officers would tussle with someone.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 08, 2014, 07:53:40 PM
I never agreed with single officer patrol. Too many directions to look in at once. Additionally, another officer gives confidence to officers on their ability to handle a situation.  Scared officers escalate force faster. One officer might shoot when two officers would tussle with someone.

Very true.  People tend to act more impulsively when they're frightened and alone.  It's scarier, and you don't have anyone to judge your reactions by.  You can't say "Well the other guy seems to be in control, so I guess we're good."

I remember the last time I was stopped by Metro.  They were doing single officer patrols, and I accidentally ran an oddly placed stop sign in my work truck.

It was pretty obvious I wasn't a threat, but the cop explained to me that he and his fellow officer always tried to back each other up anyway.  So now you have 2 cops AND 2 cars showing up for a minor traffic stop where they didn't write me up anyway.  Not safe for them, and a waste of money for the department.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on June 08, 2014, 08:24:04 PM
All five people killed were armed?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on June 08, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
I've already had an argument with someone local (online friend of a distant relative) that was cheering.  Sick.

That is sick, needs his/her butt kicked.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 08, 2014, 08:30:19 PM
All five people killed were armed?

The 2 cops were armed, but they were at lunch and ambushed.

The 2 shooters were armed and (according to reports) took the cops' guns too.

They're not saying much about the guy at Wal-Mart - not even a name/age/gender yet until relatives are notified.  Some have said there was an armed customer in the store (the bystander victim? someone else?), which wouldn't be surprising.  My son said he always carries when he has to be in that neighborhood.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 08, 2014, 08:34:11 PM
That is sick, needs his/her butt kicked.

I agree.  A few of us kind of dogpiled him and he backed off a little.

Like I said, cops out here have a reputation for being either just plain awesome or just plain scary.  If you're constantly involved in activities that have you meeting them a lot, you're going to run into the bad ones.  But if you're not a criminal, your odds of having any problems goes WAY down.

But these are the same people that get upset because you arrest them for drunk driving in front of their kids, so...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on June 08, 2014, 08:36:20 PM
But these are the same people that get upset because you arrest them for drunk driving in front of their kids, so...

Go figure.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Canadian Prepper on June 08, 2014, 08:59:51 PM
I'm hardly a believer in an inevitable breakdown of society along the lines of Rawles' books, but days like this leave me wondering how violent people would get if the current recession degenerated into something closer to the Great Depression.

It's bad enough when one person goes nuts with a gun, but when there's enough nuttiness that we get tag teams of people on shooting/suicide missions, you know that something's really off.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 08, 2014, 09:11:06 PM
I'm hardly a believer in an inevitable breakdown of society along the lines of Rawles' books, but days like this leave me wondering how violent people would get if the current recession degenerated into something closer to the Great Depression.

It's bad enough when one person goes nuts with a gun, but when there's enough nuttiness that we get tag teams of people on shooting/suicide missions, you know that something's really off.

Interesting that you should say that.  Nevada (which is something like 2/3 Vegas metro area as far as population) has had the highest unemployment in the nation since about 2009, and we finally moved up to #2 worst this month (sorry, Rhode Island).
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on June 08, 2014, 09:14:33 PM
I'm hardly a believer in an inevitable breakdown of society along the lines of Rawles' books, but days like this leave me wondering how violent people would get if the current recession degenerated into something closer to the Great Depression.

It's bad enough when one person goes nuts with a gun, but when there's enough nuttiness that we get tag teams of people on shooting/suicide missions, you know that something's really off.

Which is exactly why we have a bug-out plan to a remote area I hunt every year.  I'll take my chances there.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on June 08, 2014, 11:17:28 PM
The Review-Journal is reporting an association between the shooters and the following: swastikas, Gadsen flag, Bundy ranch, conspiracy theories, camouflage clothing, and a Peter Pan costume.  That sounds about right.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nimzy88 on June 09, 2014, 02:39:08 AM
http://journalofamadman.com/killing-cop-doesnt-make-revolutionary/ (http://journalofamadman.com/killing-cop-doesnt-make-revolutionary/)

A good read from around the valley
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: LJH on June 09, 2014, 08:35:10 AM
Good stuff, nimzy88,  thanks for that link. I wonder if Tracy Smith is a TSPer? Sounds like he'd fit right in.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on June 09, 2014, 02:03:20 PM
The bystander was carrying concealed and went to confront the male shooter, not realizing they were a couple, when the female saw his gun and she shot him in the ribs.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on June 09, 2014, 03:54:18 PM
The bystander was carrying concealed and went to confront the male shooter, not realizing they were a couple, when the female saw his gun and she shot him in the ribs.

And then she killed her partner, before turning the gun on to herself?. . . .  Selfish bitch.  If they wanted to die anyway why take someone else with them?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 09, 2014, 04:20:23 PM
Cliven Bundy's son to AP: Couple who police say killed 2 Las Vegas officers were at ranch but were asked to leave
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5-dead-las-vegas-shooting

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on June 09, 2014, 04:23:11 PM
Cliven Bundy's son to AP: Couple who police say killed 2 Las Vegas officers were at ranch but were asked to leave
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5-dead-las-vegas-shooting

He even managed to get himself on TV while he was there:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jrVPnAAVQE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jrVPnAAVQE)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on June 09, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
He even managed to get himself on TV while he was there:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jrVPnAAVQE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jrVPnAAVQE)

I remember seeing that interview when it was current. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 09, 2014, 06:28:49 PM
Nice BDU cap, turd.  Soldiers at best think the patrol cap is ho hum.  It always baffles me that some people wear them voluntarily.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on June 09, 2014, 06:51:06 PM
(http://cbslasvegas.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/millers.jpg?w=620&h=349&crop=1)

I'm not exactly sure what a patriot is, but I'm confident these two jokers don't warrant inclusion in that category.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 09, 2014, 06:53:13 PM
And then she killed her partner, before turning the gun on to herself?. . . .  Selfish bitch.  If they wanted to die anyway why take someone else with them?

I totally took it the other way - I figured he was a wuss and couldn't do the job himself, so they planned that she would do it and then off herself.

I guess they had told people at their apartment complex that they would be back.  How on earth they thought they could pull that off, then stroll back home with no one following them...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 09, 2014, 06:55:09 PM
so they planned that she would do it and then off herself.

This was my guess. I am just glad that they are no longer here wasting resources. Like air. Too bad they had to kill others before themselves.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 09, 2014, 06:59:07 PM
I'm not exactly sure what a patriot is, but I'm confident these two jokers don't warrant inclusion in that category.

We have a lot of marginal people here, and some of them make their living by hanging out on the Strip and either selling bottled water (usually bottles dug out of the trash and refilled out of a hose bib somewhere) or by dressing up as various characters and posing for pictures with the tourists.

Like I say, they're generally the marginal people - unemployable for various reasons.  Usually pretty messed up.  Often mentally ill.  But it's a pretty common thing here.

One article said he dressed up as the Joker because that's what James Holmes did, the guy that shot up the movie theater in Aurora CO a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Canadian Prepper on June 09, 2014, 07:11:00 PM
Nice BDU cap, turd.  Soldiers at best think the patrol cap is ho hum.  It always baffles me that some people wear them voluntarily.

I also find it rather odd how people who seem to think of our police as the equivalent of Nazis would be so fond to make use of US government surplus regalia, however sloppily worn. Justin Bourque, the recently caught cop killer up here in Canada seems to have had the same fashion sense and attitudes towards authority.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 09, 2014, 07:21:44 PM
Several articles indicate that he only fired one shot, the "warning shot" at Wal-Mart.  She shot everyone else.

Regardless, I suspect that whatever their plans were, once it came down to reality with the remorse that follows most human beings after taking a life, the adrenaline turned sour into fear, the reality of the police surrounding the Wal-Mart, at that point all bets were off.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on June 09, 2014, 08:37:21 PM
Has anybody ever heard of a concealed carry civilian getting killed like this? 

I get the impression that these two weren't interested in shooting anyone but the cops, and it wasn't until this guy pulled his gun that he became a target.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 09, 2014, 08:45:34 PM
Has anybody ever heard of a concealed carry civilian getting killed like this? 

I get the impression that these two weren't interested in shooting anyone but the cops, and it wasn't until this guy pulled his gun that he became a target.

Basically, that's how it went down.  He had no way of knowing that 1)they were really only out to kill cops and 2)there were two of them since they didn't walk in together.

I have also heard that Cici's is a "gun free zone", though obviously not if you're a cop.  I can't verify that though.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: DanielBoone on June 09, 2014, 10:25:33 PM
Has anybody ever heard of a concealed carry civilian getting killed like this? 

I get the impression that these two weren't interested in shooting anyone but the cops, and it wasn't until this guy pulled his gun that he became a target.

Not killed but I remember back in 2005 there was an incident in a Tacoma mall were a CCW guy confronted an active shooter and ended up paralyzed.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20060506&slug=mallshooting06m
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on June 09, 2014, 11:03:18 PM
Not killed but I remember back in 2005 there was an incident in a Tacoma mall were a CCW guy confronted an active shooter and ended up paralyzed.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20060506&slug=mallshooting06m

Sobering story.....

Quote
I'd spent my life carrying a gun to protect people and when the situation came, I failed," McKown says. "All I had to do was keep my gun out, but I didn't. I felt humiliated.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on June 09, 2014, 11:13:23 PM
He had no way of knowing that 1)they were really only out to kill cops and 2)there were two of them since they didn't walk in together.

True, but it's a reminder that getting outflanked, regardless of the reason, makes for a very bad day.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 10, 2014, 10:10:26 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/justice/oregon-high-school-shooting/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/justice/oregon-high-school-shooting/index.html)
Quote
Injuries have been reported in a Tuesday morning shooting at a high school near Portland, Oregon, a police representative said.
The shooting happened at about 8 a.m. PT at Reynolds High School in Troutdale, about 12 miles east of Portland, said Sue Strickland of the Troutdale Police Department.

Story appears to be just breaking, so not many details yet.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 10, 2014, 10:15:22 AM
http://q13fox.com/2014/06/10/breaking-reports-of-active-shooter-at-high-school-near-portland/#axzz34FloNm9q (http://q13fox.com/2014/06/10/breaking-reports-of-active-shooter-at-high-school-near-portland/#axzz34FloNm9q)

Latest is two fatalities, but details are very sketchy.  Initial reports of three shooters, but it's so hard to trust these early breaking stories.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 10, 2014, 10:18:30 AM
http://q13fox.com/2014/06/10/breaking-reports-of-active-shooter-at-high-school-near-portland/#axzz34FloNm9q (http://q13fox.com/2014/06/10/breaking-reports-of-active-shooter-at-high-school-near-portland/#axzz34FloNm9q)

Latest is two fatalities, but details are very sketchy.  Initial reports of three shooters, but it's so hard to trust these early breaking stories.

Sounds like LE is in position but maybe hasn't engaged yet? 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 10, 2014, 10:21:48 AM
Sounds like LE is in position but maybe hasn't engaged yet?
According to this (http://www.kptv.com/category/210121/watch-fox-12-live-video-stream) feed, the shooter is dead, assuming there is one shooter, which is what they're implying.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 10, 2014, 10:43:21 AM
8:57 a.m.: Police are reporting that there were three shooters; two fled the scene. One of the shooters was caught at a church across the street.

Thanks for the text E.

Scanner http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/348/web
Live Feed http://www.katu.com/news/live

Teacher shot at Reynolds High School in Troutdale, Oregon identified as Todd Rispler per eyewitnesses; police have not confirmed.

A student said the shooting took place in a locker room; the victim, a teacher, was taken out in stretcher.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 10, 2014, 10:48:03 AM
LEO press conference any moment now on the link Endurance posted.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 10, 2014, 11:04:32 AM
Troutdale police chief confirms, one student dead along with shooter who died.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 10, 2014, 11:20:09 AM
And a good point to remember... "Remember, cell towers will be overloaded - use TEXT MESSAGING to check on loved ones."

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: atherts on June 10, 2014, 11:52:41 AM
Wow, I graduated from Reynolds (then Columbia) in 1980. My parents live a short distance away. My brother is the principal of a nearby middle school.
The teacher's name sounds familiar as well.
It can happen anywhere.

There needs to be a better plan to deal with these situations other than calling the police. It sounds so far like the shooter didn't get far, but still managed to cause damage/death before contained.

As usual, the media is whipping up a frenzy of coverage which only encourages others on the edge.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 10, 2014, 12:09:00 PM
Wow, I graduated from Reynolds (then Columbia) in 1980. My parents live a short distance away. My brother is the principal of a nearby middle school.
The teacher's name sounds familiar as well.
It can happen anywhere.

There needs to be a better plan to deal with these situations other than calling the police. It sounds so far like the shooter didn't get far, but still managed to cause damage/death before contained.

As usual, the media is whipping up a frenzy of coverage which only encourages others on the edge.

I'm listening to Fox12 at my desk, and there's a continual commentary about kids not feeling safe at school, and what assurances can be made, etc.
While that's valid to a large degree, they are just fueling anxiety further.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 10, 2014, 12:38:29 PM
People forget that one or two people getting shot is fairly common in this country.  We have drifted from following mass murders to following all murders on a national level (unless they happen to be in the inner city, then it is largely ignored).  No wonder it feels like the world is going insane.

I think the media is going to keep doing this till they get more and more gun control through.  Even if we block the gun control the pressure will be so great that the pro-gun side is going to fel compelled to agree to mental health or other measures that will be bad for freedom in general.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 10, 2014, 12:52:15 PM
People forget that one or two people getting shot is fairly common in this country.  We have drifted from following mass murders to following all murders on a national level (unless they happen to be in the inner city, then it is largely ignored).  No wonder it feels like the world is going insane.

I think the media is going to keep doing this till they get more and more gun control through.  Even if we block the gun control the pressure will be so great that the pro-gun side is going to fel compelled to agree to mental health or other measures that will be bad for freedom in general.
And again, look at the statistics.  Compared to the period between 1973-1994, we're in the golden age of declining violence.  While every shooting now seems to make the news today, the homicide rate has actually fallen by roughly 50% since 1993, despite the expiration on the 1994 AWB in 2005.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 10, 2014, 01:47:26 PM
People forget that one or two people getting shot is fairly common in this country. 

Like this?
52 seconds ago:
2 shootings reported in Vancouver, BC, Canada; woman shot at a Starbucks; suspect and officer injured in gunfire.
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/suspected-shooter-in-custody-after-gunfire-erupts-in-downtown-vancouver-1.1861878

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on June 10, 2014, 03:50:03 PM
People forget that one or two people getting shot is fairly common in this country.  We have drifted from following mass murders to following all murders on a national level (unless they happen to be in the inner city, then it is largely ignored).  No wonder it feels like the world is going insane.

It was reapeted (from anti-gun lobyists) that we have had 74 shootings just in schools in the last 12 months.  I don't know if that is incorrect but it's too many in my book.  I don't agree that the answer is disarming people, but we need to figure something out to control this from happening in our gun free schools at the very least.

They found 1 kid at the Reynolds school with a firearm on his person, unrelated to the shooting today.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 10, 2014, 05:24:15 PM
It was reapeted (from anti-gun lobyists) that we have had 74 shootings just in schools in the last 12 months. 

I have heard this close to this number a few times in the last few days.

This is today's victim
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpy8v9QCQAApSb7.jpg)
Freshman soccer player Emilio Hoffman

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: DanielBoone on June 10, 2014, 05:28:33 PM
R.I.P Emilo

http://heavy.com/news/2014/06/emilio-hoffman-reynolds-high-school-shooting-victim/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 10, 2014, 06:17:11 PM
The last school shooting in Oregon was 16 years ago, and I remember it as well as I remember today.  I came across this this afternoon.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/05/thurston_high_school_shooting.html

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 10, 2014, 09:47:07 PM
nelson..

The 74 shootings since Sandy Hook include incidents that were "classified as school shootings when a firearm was discharged inside a school building or on school or campus grounds, as documented in publicly reported news accounts," and "includes assaults, homicides, suicides, and accidental shootings."

- Georgia had 10
- Tennessee had 5
- North Carolina & California had 4

(http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/School-Shootings-USA-Mapped.jpg)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 10, 2014, 10:26:54 PM
nelson..

The 74 shootings since Sandy Hook include incidents that were "classified as school shootings when a firearm was discharged inside a school building or on school or campus grounds, as documented in publicly reported news accounts," and "includes assaults, homicides, suicides, and accidental shootings."

- Georgia had 10
- Tennessee had 5
- North Carolina & California had 4

(http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/School-Shootings-USA-Mapped.jpg)

Cedar

I have been trying to explain this to many of my progressive friends. 

On facebook a former coworker claimed he was shocked I was a gun owner.  I seemed "educated and reasonable to work with"...

This is getting tired for me.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 10, 2014, 10:37:52 PM
I freaked some teachers out awhile back ago, that I said I would be happy with teachers carrying in schools, but they admitted that some teachers are wanting to. I figured it would be a bad time today to bring that up again to the principal, but I do see him socially so will pick his brain about that later. St Helens and some other schools are doing it.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 11, 2014, 06:04:42 AM
I freaked some teachers out awhile back ago, that I said I would be happy with teachers carrying in schools, but they admitted that some teachers are wanting to. I figured it would be a bad time today to bring that up again to the principal, but I do see him socially so will pick his brain about that later. St Helens and some other schools are doing it.

Cedar

I'm at a college level, but they recently voted down an attempt to allow concealed carry on campus if you had a permit here.  Several of the campus police (which are actual LEOs, not security guards) were pretty bummed about it, saying they can't be everywhere at once.  Currently we're not allowed to have any weapons of any kind on campus unless you are police.

At orientation, I asked them to clarify exactly what they meant by "weapon", and they said "it depends".  They told me pepper spray was okay unless I used it against someone that wasn't assaulting me (ya think?), and of course I always have a very sturdy pen with me for when I take notes.  It's not a great neighborhood, and we do have some risk from from unstable homeless and junkies, or maybe an overstressed failing student.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 11, 2014, 08:25:03 AM
I'm at a college level, but they recently voted down an attempt to allow concealed carry on campus if you had a permit here.  Several of the campus police (which are actual LEOs, not security guards) were pretty bummed about it, saying they can't be everywhere at once.  Currently we're not allowed to have any weapons of any kind on campus unless you are police.
...
We got lucky in all the new gun laws proposed after the Aurora Theater Shooting, the proposal to ban concealed carry on college campuses was voted down.  While I'm not happy with any of the new laws, I'm grateful that was the one that got voted down.  I still attend college occasionally for classes and there's very few places I feel as vulnerable as in a college classroom.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 11, 2014, 08:27:11 AM
We got lucky in all the new gun laws proposed after the Aurora Theater Shooting, the proposal to ban concealed carry on college calluses was voted down.  While I'm not happy with any of the new laws, I'm grateful that was the one that got voted down.  I still attend college occasionally for classes and there's very few places I feel as vulnerable as in a college classroom.

That right there is a use case for deep concealment.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 11, 2014, 08:40:29 AM
That right there is a use case for deep concealment.
The last case I took at my local college was an Emergency Medical Responder course.  There's nothing worse than realizing it's a day you have to do CPR on a dummy while carrying SOB (small of back).  I decided to run to the restroom and tie my sweater around my waist for the class and never had a word said.  After that, I made sure to check the schedule and dress accordingly.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 11, 2014, 01:19:32 PM
No connecton between the students
http://koin.com/2014/06/11/reynolds-high-school-news-briefing-june-11-2014/\

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: DanielBoone on June 11, 2014, 08:35:11 PM
Some info on the man found with a concealed weapon at the scene of the Reynolds Shooting.

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2014/06/oregon_school_shooting_armed_m.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 12, 2014, 07:41:18 AM
Some info on the man found with a concealed weapon at the scene of the Reynolds Shooting.

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2014/06/oregon_school_shooting_armed_m.html

Thanks -- I was wondering when more info was going to come out about that.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 12, 2014, 05:04:30 PM
...The 74 shootings since Sandy Hook include incidents that were "classified as school shootings when a firearm was discharged inside a school building or on school or campus grounds, as documented in publicly reported news accounts," and "includes assaults, homicides, suicides, and accidental shootings."...

An update on this number from CNN:

A closer look: How many Newtown-like school shootings since Sandy Hook? (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/11/us/school-shootings-cnn-number/index.html)

Quote
After Tuesday's shooting at an Oregon high school, many media outlets, including CNN, reported that there have been 74 school shootings in the past 18 months. ...

The statistic came from a group called Everytown for Gun Safety, an umbrella group started by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a passionate and public advocate of gun control. ...

CNN determined that 15 of the incidents Everytown included were situations similar to the violence in Newtown or Oregon -- a minor or adult actively shooting inside or near a school. ...

Some of the other incidents on Everytown's list included personal arguments, accidents and alleged gang activities and drug deals. ...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on June 12, 2014, 07:33:30 PM
I thought this article cut through some of the BS you often see on both sides of the armed citizen debate:

http://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/2014/06/11/armed-citizens-may-stop-violence/10327445/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/2014/06/11/armed-citizens-may-stop-violence/10327445/)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 29, 2014, 08:09:47 AM
4 hours ago:
At least 7 people injured in mass shooting at Bourbon Street in New Orleans - WDSU-TV
New Orleans mass shooting: 6 victims listed in stable condition, 1 woman in critical condition, police say
http://www.bnowire.com/2014/06/29/gunman-injures-7-on-bourbon-street-in-new-orleans/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=gunman-injures-7-on-bourbon-street-in-new-orleans
Unclear if he is still at large or not.

UPDATE: Number of people injured in shooting on Bourbon Street in New Orleans rises to 9, police say.

8 hours ago:
5 people shot in Manhattan. Active crime scene. Trying to find out more on it.

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 29, 2014, 02:43:59 PM
4 hours ago:
At least 7 people injured in mass shooting at Bourbon Street in New Orleans - WDSU-TV
New Orleans mass shooting: 6 victims listed in stable condition, 1 woman in critical condition, police say
http://www.bnowire.com/2014/06/29/gunman-injures-7-on-bourbon-street-in-new-orleans/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=gunman-injures-7-on-bourbon-street-in-new-orleans
Unclear if he is still at large or not.

UPDATE: Number of people injured in shooting on Bourbon Street in New Orleans rises to 9, police say.

8 hours ago:
5 people shot in Manhattan. Active crime scene. Trying to find out more on it.

Cedar
New Orleans feels like run of the mill criminality at first blush.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 20, 2014, 10:27:11 AM
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Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on August 20, 2014, 11:07:02 AM
This wasn't an "active" shooter, but this morning I missed a drive by shooting that left 2 dead. 
It happened 2 hours later and 4 blocks west of where I was today:

(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/10628688_10204801473784631_4112836131747910099_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 20, 2014, 11:10:28 AM
This wasn't an "active" shooter, but this morning I missed a drive by shooting that left 2 dead. 
It happened 2 hours later and 4 blocks west of where I was today

In Washington State?

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on August 20, 2014, 11:16:13 AM
Correct.  Kent, WA (~20 miles south of Seattle)

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2014/08/2-men-killed-outside-kent-gas-station/ (http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2014/08/2-men-killed-outside-kent-gas-station/)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on August 20, 2014, 06:05:37 PM
This wasn't an "active" shooter, but this morning I missed a drive by shooting that left 2 dead. 
It happened 2 hours later and 4 blocks west of where I was today:

Daaang. . . .  I eat at that BBQ Pete's all the time (awesome food).
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on August 20, 2014, 09:05:50 PM
Update.  Sounds like they know the 2 perps and one is fresh outta prison.  2 black males wearing red sports clothing and driving a cadillac. 

http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/kent/2014/08/20/kent-drive-by-shooting/14336753/ (http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/kent/2014/08/20/kent-drive-by-shooting/14336753/)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on August 20, 2014, 09:35:20 PM
Has anyone considered what an inactive shooter would be? Isn't that we are all doing unless we are shooting?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 20, 2014, 10:13:50 PM
Has anyone considered what an inactive shooter would be? Isn't that we are all doing unless we are shooting?

Actually.....

Up there ^ a bit where I had a ".", is where I had an 'active shooter' posting this morning in California. But the rifle turned out to be an umbrella. Really? How does someone .. nevermind.. *sigh*

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on August 21, 2014, 09:26:57 AM
Actually.....

Up there ^ a bit where I had a ".", is where I had an 'active shooter' posting this morning in California. But the rifle turned out to be an umbrella. Really? How does someone .. nevermind.. *sigh*

Cedar

"California"  is the answer you were seeking
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on August 21, 2014, 01:28:01 PM
California doesn't remember what rain looks like, so an umbrella is clearly a security threat.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on August 21, 2014, 07:47:21 PM
Actually.....

Up there ^ a bit where I had a ".", is where I had an 'active shooter' posting this morning in California. But the rifle turned out to be an umbrella. Really? How does someone .. nevermind.. *sigh*

Cedar

When I was a meter reader, we were required by OSHA to carry a full-sized umbrella at all times.  It was to keep the dogs at bay when we went into backyards unannounced all day long or encountered them roaming the streets.

According to some of the older workers, we got TONS of people calling in to say that there was a guy roaming the street with a shotgun.  So they switched from black umbrellas to orange ones to make it harder for people to be stupid.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on August 22, 2014, 07:15:07 AM
California doesn't remember what rain looks like, so an umbrella is clearly a security threat.

never seen rain before?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuewtGD_Ng4
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Beetlebum on August 25, 2014, 07:52:32 AM
CNN is reporting an active shooter at Ft Lee Virginia. Base on Lockdown.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on August 25, 2014, 07:59:12 AM
Home of the quarter master, transportation and ordnance schools.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 25, 2014, 08:13:54 AM
33 minutes ago:

ACTIVE SHOOTER
- U.S. Army base Ft. Lee in VA
- Base reports active shooter at CASCOM headquarters
- Ft. Lee on lockdown
- U.S. Army post Fort Lee emergency alert: "All personnel should enact active shooter protocols immediately"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv423tsIQAAU9mU.png:large)

1 minute ago:
Partial lockdown continues at main building on Fort Lee in Virginia. Full lockdown lifted - CNN

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 25, 2014, 08:26:50 AM
Fort Lee says "all clear" issued after active shooter report. "The law enforcement event is over.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 25, 2014, 09:15:49 AM
Pentagon: Female soldier at Ft. Lee turned the weapon on herself. Her condition is unknown

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on September 24, 2014, 12:42:54 PM
Multiple victims in shooting in Philadelphia's West Kensington neighborhood - NBC Philadelphia

EDIT:now it sounds like 2, at the 200 block of Cambria St in West Kensington next to a school

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on September 25, 2014, 04:39:38 PM
Active shooter at food distribution plant in Moore, Oklahoma; multiple victims reported

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on September 28, 2014, 08:52:56 PM
1 minute ago:
Shots fired in the Kirwan-Blanding complex university in Kentucky.
University of Kentucky alerted students to shots fired in the Kirwan/Blanding area on South campus shortly before 10 p.m. Sunday.

Police cautioned students to avoid the area while K9 units worked. University of Kentucky officials asked students to remain inside their dorms and buildings.
(http://www.uky.edu/CampusGuide/images/kbcx.jpeg)

http://www.14news.com/story/26649116/officials-shots-fired-at-the-university-of-kentucky

Reports of shots fired on @universityofky campus. Parents are getting calls and texts from their kids about it. Near Kirwan/Blanding complex

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on September 30, 2014, 12:51:49 PM
Earlier today:
One student shot and second student in custody at N.C. High School

I didnt report on that one.

But now....


Reports of shots fired at Fern Creek High School in Louisville, Kentucky - WLKY
Reports of shots fired at Fern Creek High School in Louisville, Kentucky. Ambulances on scene
At least 1 person loaded into ambulance after shots ring out at Kentucky high school - WLKY
Students with their hands in the air being evacuated after shots fired
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByzKZn7IAAA1sQj.png:large)
Police confirm one person shot at Fern Creek High School in Kentucky. Shooter still at large

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: DrJohn on September 30, 2014, 01:41:27 PM
I am sorry, but why does that picture look more like a line of convicts being led, than students being evacuated?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on September 30, 2014, 07:08:19 PM
I am sorry, but why does that picture look more like a line of convicts being led, than students being evacuated?

It always looks like that now.

Suspect in Kentucky high school shooting in custody. The injured person is a female student.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/30/us/kentucky-school-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Josh the Aspie on October 01, 2014, 03:15:25 PM
I am sorry, but why does that picture look more like a line of convicts being led, than students being evacuated?

It always looks like that now.

Quite a representative statement.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: LibertyBelle on October 01, 2014, 06:07:20 PM
I am sorry, but why does that picture look more like a line of convicts being led, than students being evacuated?

No different then being stopped at a random checkpoint and the office asks that the driver put his hands on the wheel where he can see them...it's for everyone's safety.  The last think they want is another shooter (who just hasn't tipped his hand yet) blending in with the students leaving the building, then pulling a gun.  It wouldn't surprise me if one of the officers has a hand held metal detector to scan each student for weapons as s/he passes by.   


But yes, it does look like a line of convicts.  We were driving through MO earlier this summer and saw a new school and my son asked me if that was a new prison they had just built, what with it's tall chain link perimeter fencing with barbed wire along the top.  I told him it was the town's new school.  He said, 'What's the difference..."   

   
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: DrJohn on October 01, 2014, 08:29:23 PM
I must be living in a different country then the rest of you.  Our schools have no chain link and razor wire... yet.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on October 01, 2014, 08:34:33 PM
I must be living in a different country then the rest of you.  Our schools have no chain link and razor wire... yet.

Our local schools don't either. And if they did, I would see it as a safety issue for the kids in the school.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: LibertyBelle on October 01, 2014, 09:40:54 PM
I must be living in a different country then the rest of you.  Our schools have no chain link and razor wire... yet.

No razor wire...just barbed. Big difference. And in strands, not concertina style. And it's not in all schools, or even most schools, only one we happened to have seen while traveling through. Although there are several schools I've seen that have just the 6-foot chain line (no barbed wire on top) perimeter fencing.  Google school perimeter fencing, and you will see that more and more districts here in the States ARE installing 6-foot perimeter fencing...as proposed safety measures, of course.   

Here is just one district that approved perimeter fencing earlier this year for each of it's 27 elementary schools:
http://www.rgj.com/story/news/education/2014/06/16/washoe-county-school-district-defends-fencing-project/10572461/ 
"A number of schools already have fencing, but not all have 6-foot fencing, which is what school police and security experts recommend."


But I'm thinking how convenient it would be for TPTB to turn them into "temporary detention centers" for the masses, if ever the need were ever to arise.     
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: ShannonB on October 01, 2014, 09:47:30 PM
Ot - only fencing our schools have are around our football fields to protect our turf/grass.... But this is Texas and we love us some high school  / peewee football, lol
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on October 01, 2014, 09:48:00 PM
I taught my daughter how to move an object to the gate to open it at her school. If there is a problem, the teacher is not available for whatever reason, the kids are too short to reach the latch to let themselves out of the fenced yard to get to safety.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Ms. Albatross on October 01, 2014, 11:10:54 PM
I taught my daughter how to move an object to the gate to open it at her school. If there is a problem, the teacher is not available for whatever reason, the kids are too short to reach the latch to let themselves out of the fenced yard to get to safety.

Cedar

That wouldn't help where I work.  The gates at our schools are locked both ways.  You have to have a key to get IN or OUT. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: DrJohn on October 02, 2014, 04:54:51 AM
A fence poses little deferent to a motivated assailant. But a huge impediment to a law abiding person trying to get out.  As long as I serve on my school board there will be no fence.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on October 02, 2014, 08:39:36 AM
But a huge impediment to a law abiding person trying to get out. 

Especially if you are only three feet tall.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Josh the Aspie on October 02, 2014, 10:47:39 AM
You know, by the same token, some people (like Ron Paul) are concerned that a border fence would be used to keep people in, instead of out.  Given the institution of a "no longer being an American" tax, and the attempt to prevent corporations from becoming foreign corporations... I'm starting to find this credible.

How, exactly, is a fence anywhere going to protect you from expert or dedicated attackers?  The fence is going to be much better at affecting the general population.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on October 03, 2014, 12:01:49 AM
How, exactly, is a fence anywhere going to protect you from expert or dedicated attackers?  The fence is going to be much better at affecting the general population.

And right now it's pretty easy for them to hide among the general population.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on October 07, 2014, 07:07:14 PM
I wasn't going to report on this one, but is is going sideways..

SCANNER FEED: http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/13262/web

Live Feeds:
http://abc7chicago.com/live/


52 minutes ago:
Chicago PD Dealing With an Active Shooter Situation; 1 Officer Shot, others pinned
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-officer-shot-in-englewood-20141007-story.html

10 minutes ago:
Triple shooting suspect Daniel Brown engaged in gun battle with U.S. Marshals & Chicago police officers. Incident at 72nd and Lowe remains an “active shooter” incident with SWAT on scene. At least 1 officer shot and multiple other officers pinned. More than 100 officers with SWAT and K9 on scene.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzYb2NNCQAAZRpQ.jpg)

Source on scene says CPD hunkered behind vehicles. Active shooter is Indiana murder suspect. 1 officer shot, critical. SUSPECT: this is alleged CPD shooter suspect. Daniel Brown. Wanted for shooting 3 in INDY per CBS
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzYuoeWCYAENT5B.jpg:small)

http://fox59.com/2014/10/07/indianapolis-triple-shooting-suspect-involved-in-chicago-police-shooting/


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on October 07, 2014, 07:24:41 PM
- Officer Marvin Grey with Gary PD is unaccounted for in some time. He was on the second floor. They are currently trying to make contact with him.

EDIT: Located him with SWAT on 3rd floor.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on October 07, 2014, 11:20:44 PM
The standoff ended late Tuesday as one person was found dead and another person was taken into custody six hours after a Chicago Police captain was shot as he and other officers tried to arrest a man in connection with the shooting of three people last weekend in Indianapolis. Unclear of the dead person is the suspect and if it was self inflicted death.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on October 22, 2014, 08:27:27 AM
Active shooter at Canadian Parliament building at Ottawa.  One soldier shot.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on October 22, 2014, 09:05:56 AM
Things are still confused at Canadian parliament.  Reports of rifle and shotgun fire.  Tweets from MP say 30 shots fired.  Door to door sweep of building in progress
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: DrJohn on October 22, 2014, 10:20:44 AM
Reports that one of the gunman is dead.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on October 22, 2014, 10:34:53 AM
Sorry.. I did not see it here, and started a new thread, since this one looked pretty serious.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on October 22, 2014, 11:35:26 AM
Canadian Active Shooter stuff goes here (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=52106.0).
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on October 24, 2014, 01:41:13 PM
School shooting in WA State.  Shooter is dead (not surprising), other casualties reported.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/24/police-respond-to-shooting-at-washington-state-high-school/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on October 24, 2014, 01:48:14 PM
School shooting in WA State.  Shooter is dead (not surprising), other casualties reported.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/24/police-respond-to-shooting-at-washington-state-high-school/


Talked to a local a few minutes ago and now it sounds like two confirmed dead and two heading to two different hospitals (which might be the two dead).
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 24, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
I'm working from home today, and turned on TV.

Confirmed 2 dead, inc. the shooter.

This is a sh!t storm on a few levels...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on October 24, 2014, 04:20:57 PM
3 deputies shot in California.  Hispanic male still loose.  1 deputy died.  1 civilian also shot.  WHAT A HORRIBLE DAY!
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on October 24, 2014, 07:33:18 PM
3 deputies shot in California.  Hispanic male still loose.  1 deputy died.  1 civilian also shot.  WHAT A HORRIBLE DAY!
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/us/california-officers-shot/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

One of the wounded deputies has died.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on October 24, 2014, 09:49:02 PM
Suspects in custody.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/24/manhunt-underway-for-gunman-who-shot-3-california-sheriff-deputies-bystander/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on October 28, 2014, 10:51:54 AM
32 minutes ago:
2 shot in front of courthouse in North Carolina. Courthouse on lockdown - suspect at large

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: ncjeeper on October 28, 2014, 11:09:21 AM
Where in NC?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on October 28, 2014, 11:30:19 AM
Nashville, at the Nash county courthouse.  2 suspect on the loose.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on October 28, 2014, 11:41:16 AM
More info. More had not come in by the time Z needed me at the barn.
http://www.wncn.com/story/27060510/2-shot-in-front-of-nash-co-courthouse

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on October 28, 2014, 02:52:40 PM
Suspect in shooting of two people outside Nash County, North Carolina courthouse in custody

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on November 08, 2014, 09:12:36 AM
School shooting in WA State.  Shooter is dead (not surprising), other casualties reported.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/24/police-respond-to-shooting-at-washington-state-high-school/

4th victim dies
http://www.bnowire.com/2014/11/08/fourth-victim-dies-after-washington-state-high-school-shooting/

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on November 20, 2014, 03:14:13 PM
Shooting at Florida State Univerity this morning..

Just now-
2 Teens Shot Near Miami Carol High School, Both Airlifted To Hospital

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on November 21, 2014, 09:32:52 AM
Just a side note here.  Today we had active shooter training at work.  It started with the City of Houston Run, Hide, Fight video and turned into a powerpoint from there.  They continue to not get it.  They continue to tell us to all gather at a common meeting point, which the entire office knows, and who's the most likely shooter?  A coworker.  As long as they continue to think inside the box, like this is the same kind of emergency as a fire alarm (which would also be a great way to get us all in the same place and outside the limited protection of our offices), they aren't offering real answers.

I will give the presenter a small piece of credit, while we are not allowed to carry on the facility (by policy and by law), he suggested that we consider getting concealed carry permits for when we're not at work.

Ultimately, the best way to survive is to not be the first one shot and to not do anything predictable after you hear that first shot.  That's tough to teach, but far more effective than running somewhere everyone knows you're going.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on November 21, 2014, 09:52:43 AM
Just a side note here.  Today we had active shooter training at work.  It started with the City of Houston Run, Hide, Fight video and turned into a powerpoint from there.  They continue to not get it.  They continue to tell us to all gather at a common meeting point, which the entire office knows, and who's the most likely shooter?  A coworker.  As long as they continue to think inside the box, like this is the same kind of emergency as a fire alarm (which would also be a great way to get us all in the same place and outside the limited protection of our offices), they aren't offering real answers.

I will give the presenter a small piece of credit, while we are not allowed to carry on the facility (by policy and by law), he suggested that we consider getting concealed carry permits for when we're not at work.

Ultimately, the best way to survive is to not be the first one shot and to not do anything predictable after you hear that first shot.  That's tough to teach, but far more effective than running somewhere everyone knows you're going.

Apologies for further digressing off topic, but this reminded me of the fire suppression instructor in my recent CERT course.  He said in over 30 years of responding to fires in commercial buildings, he had never once seen one of the "occupant use hoses" actually deployed.  Even when there was a solid opportunity for two people to safely put out a fire, most employees in office buildings simply evacuate without even a consideration of suppressing the fire.  Apparently this is a topic of debate within the fire community.  http://ohsonline.com/articles/2009/12/01/occupant-use-fire-hoses-should-they-stay-or-go.aspx
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on November 21, 2014, 10:32:36 AM
Without SCBA, I'm not sure I'd try. You only get one pair of lungs.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on November 21, 2014, 10:51:17 AM
The physical gathering place for accountability makes no sense to me.  It just isn't safe if you all have to un*ss your building in a hurry.

I think accountability via text message following a cellular structure makes sense.  So your supervisor and immediate subordinates of that supervisor are a "cell", then you are the head of a cell with your subordinates.  You also have a laterial connection to another cell.  When you bail on your workplace due to a shooting (or fire or other disaster) you should text your supervisor and your contact in the lateral cell with your status and the status of any cell members for passing up to help the company account for everyone.  The lateral connection is to insure information flow even if your supervisor is a casualty.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on November 21, 2014, 11:40:56 AM
The physical gathering place for accountability makes no sense to me.  It just isn't safe if you all have to un*ss your building in a hurry.

I think accountability via text message following a cellular structure makes sense.  So your supervisor and immediate subordinates of that supervisor are a "cell", then you are the head of a cell with your subordinates.  You also have a laterial connection to another cell.  When you bail on your workplace due to a shooting (or fire or other disaster) you should text your supervisor and your contact in the lateral cell with your status and the status of any cell members for passing up to help the company account for everyone.  The lateral connection is to insure information flow even if your supervisor is a casualty.
Absolutely
Two years ago we had a real fire and it was 17F outside. Despite the fact that most people ran without coats, they weren't allowed to go into local businesses to warm up for about a half hour, until it was clear the building wouldn't be reopened for hours. Even after the event, the policy remains the same. Can't fix stupid.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on November 21, 2014, 03:01:21 PM
...Two years ago we had a real fire and it was 17F outside. Despite the fact that most people ran without coats, they weren't allowed to go into local businesses to warm up for about a half hour...

Weren't allowed?  Under penalty of what?

I don't understand why anybody put up with that for more than 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on November 21, 2014, 04:20:58 PM
Weren't allowed?  Under penalty of what?

Who said they couldn't?

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on November 21, 2014, 05:24:36 PM
Weren't allowed?  Under penalty of what?

I don't understand why anybody put up with that for more than 5 minutes.
Our management said we had to stay in the staging area until the building was safe to re-enter.  Eventually people started ducking into the bank lobby nearby, the coffee shop across the street and other sheltered places.  Our management at the time was headed by idiocy incarnate.  Not much has changed, but we do seem to have a new leader that came from the private sector who appears to still have common sense.  I suspect he would exercise better judgement.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on November 21, 2014, 09:04:29 PM
They continue to tell us to all gather at a common meeting point, which the entire office knows, and who's the most likely shooter?  A coworker.  As long as they continue to think inside the box, like this is the same kind of emergency as a fire alarm (which would also be a great way to get us all in the same place and outside the limited protection of our offices), they aren't offering real answers.

When we had ours, I missed out on it, but they're ramping up efforts, so they'll be doing it again even more in depth.  They told everyone to gather together during a fire alarm so anyone missing becomes obvious.

But they specifically told us to disperse and NOT gather together during an active shooter incident.  If a shooter has to go hunting for targets, it's going to take longer to find them than if they're huddled together in a big crowd, and harder to find means fewer victims.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on November 21, 2014, 09:07:15 PM
Our management said we had to stay in the staging area until the building was safe to re-enter.  Eventually people started ducking into the bank lobby nearby, the coffee shop across the street and other sheltered places.  Our management at the time was headed by idiocy incarnate.  Not much has changed, but we do seem to have a new leader that came from the private sector who appears to still have common sense.  I suspect he would exercise better judgement.

We have an evacuation plan that has to be posted every so often around work areas so people can see what they need to do should an evacuation be necessary.

It's 20 pages long.  I'm not kidding.

How many pages does it take to say "Get the %^$# out!  Why are you still reading this?  Go!"
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on November 26, 2014, 07:29:40 AM
Just now:

Gunman opens fire on San Francisco street, injuring at least 6. Gunman still at large.

Six people were injured, including at least two who suffered life-threatening injuries, when a gunman or gunmen opened fire on a street in San Francisco overnight, police said. The motive for the shooting was not yet known and no arrests were immediately made.

The incident happened at around 12:46 a.m. local time on Wednesday when police were called to a shooting on a sidewalk near the intersection of Mission and 13 Streets, located in the city’s Mission District. Officers responding to the report found four gunshot victims at the scene.

Sgt. Monica MacDonald, a spokeswoman for the San Francisco Police Department, said the four victims were rushed to San Francisco General Hospital (SFGH), where at least two were reported to have suffered life-threatening injuries. A fifth victim went to SFGH himself while a sixth victim was taken by friends to a hospital outside the city.

“This is an active investigation. Anyone with information is asked to contact San Francisco police,” MacDonald said.


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on November 26, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
30 mins ago:
Multiple people shot at shopping center in Reading, PA. At Least 5 Ambulances Dispatched. Officers were dispatched to that same business around 8:18 p.m. Tuesday for a man who fired five shots through the window, police said.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 01, 2014, 12:43:54 PM
State police say four people are dead in three shootings in north-central West Virginia. State police spokesman Lt. Michael Baylous says two of the shootings happened in the Westover area and the other occurred in the Cheat Lake area in Monongalia County. All three shootings occurred Monday.

The suspected shooter, Jody Lee Hunt, 39, is still at large and is considered armed and dangerous.

Law enforcement agencies are looking for Hunt’s 2011 Black F150 extended cab. The truck has an unknown type sticker in back window, a black tonneau cover over the truck bed, and a blacked out license plate. If you see the vehicle or Hunt, call 911 or W.Va. State Police. Investigators advise NOT approaching the vehicle or suspect.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 01, 2014, 04:00:06 PM
5 minutes ago:

- Police responding to reports of an active shooter in southeast Albuquerque. No further details. - KRQE
- Nearby schools, businesses on lockdown
- APD is also trying to contact any local businesses in the area to get them to lockdown as well.
- People should avoid the area.

Scanner http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/10509/web

They are checking building 1 and building 2, 1 sounds cleared, but no teams to go into building 2. I am not sure where these buildings are located, but maybe "D street".

Male by school/trailer park seen holding a gun, but some minutes ago. Unclear what school.

UNVERIFIED: Albuquerque police investigating reports of active shooter near Kirtland Air Force Base

UPDATE:
Albuquerque police are investigating reports of a man walking down the street shooting near Eubank and Southern in southeast Albuquerque. A large police scene is near one of the gates to Kirtland Air Force Base. All nearby schools have been placed on lockdown. APD is also trying to contact any local businesses in the area to get them to lockdown as well. People should avoid the area. This is a very busy area, especially this time of day. It near one of the gates to the base, there’s a huge neighborhood, schools and a lot of businesses including a Costco and Home Depot. More officers have been dispatched to the area.

Another UPDATE:
- The gunman is reportedly popping off shots at random targets close to Kirtland Air Force Base.
- Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque says 'Eubank Gate closed pending the resolution of an incident' nearby; people advised to avoid area.

LIVE FEED:
http://krqe.com/

- Witness saying man, who is dressed in black with black backpack, has a rifle and a hand gun. Late 20's, early 30's. They have video of him now, police confirm 'some kind of AK'. Walking East and towards D street. Multiple witnesses saying the same thing about the shooters ID.

Update:
- Police have locked down Manzano Mesa Elementary School. Parents need to pick up and sign out their students after the lock down has ended.
- Albuquerque police are searching for an armed person in the area of Eubank Boulevard and Innovation Parkway, which is south of Central Avenue.


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 01, 2014, 04:39:53 PM
- Video showing subject walking all the way down to "K" street.
- EmCorp seems to be cleared
 - White male, 20's, wearing body armor. Wearing black clothing and a backpack.
- He did take shots at the Elementary school and at EmCor.
- The suspect is believed to be armed with numerous guns including handguns, shotguns and assault rifles.

From Manzano Mesa School:
- Check out Facebook page for sign out procedures once lockdown is lifted. Manzano Mesa ES Community
- Manzano Mesa ES is on lockdown due to police activity in area. Parents need to pick up & sign out students once LD OVER.
- No buses- students must be picked up and signed out once the lockdown is lifted
- All after school clubs and #HomeworkDiner are cancelled for tonight.

Update:
- Police urge residents in SE Albuquerque to remain indoors as cops search for active shooter, last seen 45 mins ago
- Police say gunman, wearing tactical gear, multiple guns, opened fire outside school and businesses in Albuquerque. No injuries so far.
- FBI armor coming in
- Using ERT (what is that please?) to evacuate kids from school.

- 13 people stuck in Building 2.. on lockdown. (I hope it has a bathroom)
- According to witnesses, the suspect was initially firing at a wall and then he was pointing a gun at traffic. They also said the suspect was seen reloading behind a tree.
- A solid perimeter has been put in place and police are urging people to avoid the area.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 01, 2014, 05:18:20 PM
- FBI trying to figure out how to evacuate the School for the Blind which is on lockdown.
- Police are preparing to release video showing the gunman and asking for help identifying and locating him.
- Subject possibly now wearing a purple shirt, green cargo pants and a black backpack.

UPDATE JUST NOW:
- Reports coming in person who looks like subject with assault rifles jumping fences in the trailer park.
- Second report the same. Man with mousetache with tactical armor and gund jumping fences.
- Third report. Man with descripton hiding in a womans yard bushes, adjacent to mobile home pack.
- Alot of vehicle traffic in trailer park right now
- School evacation under way at one school. on hold at another?

UPDATE:
- Woman on phone with police has visual on subject standing between two trailers with a rifle
- One school has been evacuated

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: ncjeeper on December 01, 2014, 05:43:32 PM
- Using ERT (what is that please?) to evacuate kids from school.
Cedar
Im guessing the Emergency Response Team.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 01, 2014, 05:53:23 PM
- Subject jumped fence again. Guns in hand. Cat and mouse game continues.

Update:
- Alot of sightings of this guy within the last 5 minutes.
- Found a daycare with with kids 6 weeks to a few years old. Locking down.
- Parents waiting to pick up their children. Parents getting word of an evacuation plan being finalized.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3z4RQ2CIAAlBHr.jpg)

UPDATE: Parents can pick up their kids at Monzano Mesa. East on Southern to Elizabeth & South. You will be contacted by APS Police

Cedar - who wonders what she would be in that situation of him being in her residential area, my kids in school on lockdown.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 01, 2014, 06:13:59 PM
State police say four people are dead in three shootings in north-central West Virginia. State police spokesman Lt. Michael Baylous says two of the shootings happened in the Westover area and the other occurred in the Cheat Lake area in Monongalia County. All three shootings occurred Monday.

UPDATE: Suspect that shot dead 4 people in West Virginia this morning found dead of a self inflicted gunshot wound

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 01, 2014, 06:29:21 PM
- The police may have a visual on a suspect. In the trailer court on the south wall of a trailer.
- Looks like suspect wants to jump a wall. But now moving back to the door of the trailer.
- Evacuating Building #1. Consolidating everyone.
- Parents who have children at La Luz Childcare center can wait in Costco Parking Lot, SW Corner. Daycare remains on lockdown.
- They now have removed lockdown on one childcare, but they are now having to remove lockdown on the building the parents are in. Most of the parents work at one place.
- Subject/target (as they are now calling this subject), is walking all around/back and forth around this trailer. He is now out on the street.

5:30pm
- Taking subject into custody. Does not fit description..
- Continuing to look for shooter


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 01, 2014, 07:16:56 PM
- At least one elementary school still on lockdown. Three hours after school should have been out. (hungry kids? - Cedar)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 01, 2014, 10:21:13 PM
- 7:30 pm Police call off search for SE ABQ  4.5 hours after event started.
Investigation continues to identify and find subject.
I am not sure if they are still going to release the videos of him.

Still photo of subject
(https://lintvkrqe.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/suspect-pic.jpg?w=329&h=438)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: d3nni5 on December 02, 2014, 07:39:18 AM
UPDATE: Suspect that shot dead 4 people in West Virginia this morning found dead of a self inflicted gunshot wound

Cedar

This all unfolded in my back yard.   I was hunting, miles away sitting in a field .   Thanks for posting it.   I thought about it but honestly was too cold and tired when I got home.   Scanner was down last night, I tried to listen.   Rumor has it he was upset with his girlfriend as well as his ex-boss and a couple others with whom he used to work.  These guys were in the tow truck game.   It seems to be a little more than a "broken heart" motive but, not sure how it all ties together.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 02, 2014, 07:55:56 AM
This all unfolded in my back yard.   I was hunting, miles away sitting in a field .   Thanks for posting it.   I thought about it but honestly was too cold and tired when I got home.   Scanner was down last night, I tried to listen.   Rumor has it he was upset with his girlfriend as well as his ex-boss and a couple others with whom he used to work.  These guys were in the tow truck game.   It seems to be a little more than a "broken heart" motive but, not sure how it all ties together.

I read his supposed Facebook post. It kinda sounds like he may have been fragile mentally, and then the girlfriend was found/presumed to have been cheating on him. Not sure who "Lisa" is, but he thanked her and her family. He was mostly concerned about his dogs finding a good home.

Two other people, besides the gf and the 'rival tow truck driver', were in a different county and that SO has/had not commented on them when I posted on it last.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: surfivor on December 03, 2014, 12:59:12 PM
I just heard of this first hand .. apparently mobile command posts, swat teams, helicopters etc

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/dispatch-cabarrus-co-officials-working-shooting-in/njK4M/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 03, 2014, 01:09:11 PM
- The Police talking to a man who says he is the brother of a woman shot in Cabarrus County. 3 shot. 1 man with a gun in a home.
- Cabarrus County Schools are notifying parents of bus riders affected by buses re-routed bc of Davidson standoff.
- Cabarrus County, NC, deputies said at least 3 people have been shot in an active standoff situation
- Shiloh Church Rd, north of NC 73 is SHUT DOWN due to police activities in the area. Use Odell School Rd or Poplar Tent as alternates.


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: goofyshooter on December 03, 2014, 05:20:29 PM
This is only 30 minutes from me and I didnt here crap about it until the evening news. I really need to figure out a better way to get info
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 07, 2014, 02:37:47 PM
5 minutes ago:
Miami police responding to an active shooter situation at NW 12th Ave and 63rd Street - official

Update: I think it is just a local thing not getting larger.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/12/07/miami-police-swat-negotiators-called-out-to-shooting-scene/

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 12, 2014, 01:35:10 PM
2 minutes ago:
Shots fired at Rosemary Anderson High School in Portland, Oregon, at least 2 victims. 190 students in the school. Other schools and colleges shut down.
http://www.portlandoic.org/rahs/

- The shooting happened at the front of the school on Killingsworth Court.
- Up to 3 victims
- (2) suspects have left the area
- At least two victims shot at Rosemary Anderson High School in Portland; suspect(s) left area

Scanner http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/348/web

LIVE FEEDS
http://www.kptv.com/category/210121/watch-fox-12-live-video-stream

KEX Radio
http://www.iheart.com/live/newsradio-1190-kex-1949/?autoplay=true&pname=610&campid=play_bar&cid=main.html&callletters=kex-am


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 12, 2014, 03:25:51 PM
- The two males and one female, all school-age, were breathing and conscious as they were transported from the school in Portland. Suspect/s still at large.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 13, 2014, 06:54:11 PM
Follow Up:
http://koin.com/2014/12/13/arrest-rosemary-anderson-hs-shootings-121314/

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 15, 2014, 07:07:07 AM
- At least 5 dead in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania spree shootings
- PA. KILLINGS: Gunman who killed at least 5 in spree shootings is barricaded at a Souderton home - ABC6

-Woman shot dead in Lower Salford
-2 shot dead in Lansdale
-2 shot dead at 3rd location
-Suspect barricaded in Souderton

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: goofyshooter on December 15, 2014, 09:54:32 AM
Cedar

Not sure if your getting better or things are getting worse. It seems like there or more and more shootings everyday.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on December 15, 2014, 10:06:46 AM
Cedar

Not sure if your getting better or things are getting worse. It seems like there or more and more shootings everyday.
You really need to look at the annual FBI homicide statistics to get perspective. 
In raw numbers, in 1991 there were 24,700 murders in the US.  In 2011 there were 14,661, in 2012 there were 14,866 and in 2013 there were 14,196.  How is that for a trend of increasing violence?

In rates of homicide, 2013 was the lowest homicide rate since the FBI started gathering national statistics in a uniform manner in 1960.  In 2013 the homicide rate was 4.5/100,000.  Compare that with 1980 when the homicide rate was 10.2/100,000 or 2004 when the Assault Weapons Ban expired and the rate was 5.5/100,000. 

Don't let the media's attempts to make you live in fear interfere with your ability to enjoy your life.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 15, 2014, 10:18:06 AM
News is faster these days.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on December 15, 2014, 10:20:49 AM
News is faster these days.

Cedar
And where we used to have the nightly national news, we now have a 24 hour news cycle that has to be fed, so local stories become national ones.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 15, 2014, 10:24:12 AM
So how does that explain "The Leader in News".. aka CNN always being 2 hours behind these days?  ::)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 15, 2014, 10:59:31 AM
- At least 5 dead in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania spree shootings
- PA. KILLINGS: Gunman who killed at least 5 in spree shootings is barricaded at a Souderton home
-Suspect barricaded in Souderton

- Suspect at large after at least 5 people shot dead in Souderton,

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on December 15, 2014, 11:11:01 AM
You really need to look at the annual FBI homicide statistics to get perspective. 
In raw numbers, in 1991 there were 24,700 murders in the US.  In 2011 there were 14,661, in 2012 there were 14,866 and in 2013 there were 14,196.  How is that for a trend of increasing violence?

In rates of homicide, 2013 was the lowest homicide rate since the FBI started gathering national statistics in a uniform manner in 1960.  In 2013 the homicide rate was 4.5/100,000.  Compare that with 1980 when the homicide rate was 10.2/100,000 or 2004 when the Assault Weapons Ban expired and the rate was 5.5/100,000. 

Don't let the media's attempts to make you live in fear interfere with your ability to enjoy your life.
Another interesting one is that our homicide rate is all "homicides" which is the death of a person due to the actions of others.  This includes all justifiable self defense deaths including LE shootings.  This is the statistics that tend to get used when comparing the US to say the UK.  The UK tends not to include justifiable deaths (mostly LE incidents) in their statistics.   Alas, we still have a LOT of murders comparatively but it isn't quite so egregious. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on December 15, 2014, 11:24:36 AM
So how does that explain "The Leader in News".. aka CNN always being 2 hours behind these days?  ::)

Cedar
It takes time to tune the message. You wouldn't want to accidently let facts out there without some spin that might advance your agenda, right?  ;)

As for the homicide numbers, I'm not sure with the site I used if that's filtered or not. When you go to the FBI site you can get by relationship, by cause, etc. data, but you can only look at one year at a time to get that level of detail. Thus, it's easier for me to use a site that shows the last 54 years of data for all forms of crime. I know the violent crime stat definition has evolved over time, so looking at old data and comparing it to new data is unlikely to be valid. But in general, dead is dead, so that a cleaner stat.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 15, 2014, 12:33:24 PM
Update:
6 PEOPLE SHOT DEAD IN MONTGOMERY, PENNSYLVANIA. SUSPECT AT LARGE

This is him
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B463UgVCEAA2gbZ.jpg:large)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: hackmeister on December 15, 2014, 04:19:55 PM
The guy basically murdered his ex-wife and a good chunk of her family. Sick.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 16, 2014, 12:19:45 PM
Update: Philadelphia shooting spree suspect found dead. Bradley Stone, the man prosecutors say is responsible for gunning down his ex-wife and six of her family members before going on the run, has been found dead in the woods near his home, sources tell NBC10.

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: hackmeister on December 17, 2014, 06:23:47 AM
Grisly details of the psycho in PA:
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-bradley-stone-motive-montco-shooting-20141216-story.html#page=1

The strangest thing is this guy seemed to be moving on from his divorce. He had remarried and even had a new baby.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on December 17, 2014, 08:34:41 AM
Grisly details of the psycho in PA:
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-bradley-stone-motive-montco-shooting-20141216-story.html#page=1

The strangest thing is this guy seemed to be moving on from his divorce. He had remarried and even had a new baby.
Good article. Thanks for posting.

PTSD, jealousy, hurt, demons... Whatever you want to call it, the outcome is tragic.

And like so many in this thread, most murders are not random, they are coworkers, family members, and lovers/spouses. The random shooting at the mall is the extreme exception. The rule is to watch those you know. Choose carefully who you invite into your life and be vigilant and aware of the politics in the office. Even if you don't get involved, know who's happy and who's acting a little off lately. Make your own hazard analysis and act accordingly.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 17, 2014, 10:00:12 AM

And like so many in this thread, most murders are not random, they are coworkers, family members, and lovers/spouses. The random shooting at the mall is the extreme exception. The rule is to watch those you know. Choose carefully who you invite into your life and be vigilant and aware of the politics in the office. Even if you don't get involved, know who's happy and who's acting a little off lately. Make your own hazard analysis and act accordingly.

Something I find myself doing when I hear any sort of violent crime news is trying to determine if it was random.  From my casual observation at least 9/10 home invasions are NOT random.  Either it's drug/gang related, or estranged friends/family wanting to "get even" for some perceived inequity.

The evening news would have us believe that street thugs are rolling dice and choosing a house number with a matching last digit, then kicking in the door.  It simply doesn't go down that way the vast majority of the time.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 17, 2014, 12:57:25 PM
Just got this scanner alert on my phone:

Quote
Boston Police Dispatch
Somebody shot with homicide unit called in.  Alleged shooter now barricaded, SWAT on scene, nearby places being evacuated.  Locked on incident (5 minutes ago)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 17, 2014, 01:01:31 PM
Just got this scanner alert on my phone:

Looking .. not finding anything yet.

UPDATE: Maybe this? Two people were taken into custody Wednesday after gunshots were heard at the Manchester-Hooksett line. Manchester police said the gunshots were reported about 12:45 p.m. in the area of Poultry Products at 11 Bemis Road in Hooksett. Police from Manchester and Hooksett, along with state police, responded and set up a perimeter. Members of the Manchester police SWAT team eventually located and arrested two people in the area of Dunbarton and Hackett Hill roads. Police said the two had long rifles and handguns. Police said the two will likely be charged with felony reckless conduct. Their identities were not immediately available. A large section of Front Street and the exit 7 ramp to Interstate 293 were closed during the incident but reopened around 1:45 p.m.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 18, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
(Not currently a shooting - but if they have masks on, I presume they have weapons of some kind?)

This just started 7 minutes ago:
- Jaimaica high school in Queens on lockdown, 3 black males with masks entered the school.
- JAIMAICA HIGH SCHOOL ON LOCKDOWN, 3 M/B WITH MASKS ENTERED THE SCHOOL. ESU SWEEPING THE BUILDING. 2:19:20 PM
- NYPD has requested a Level 1 mobilization response. Numerous special units are responding. A perimeter has been established around the building.
   

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 30, 2014, 06:34:13 PM
Yesterday/Today in Canada:

A seemingly depressed man is believed to have murdered eight people at two locations in western Canada before killing himself, police in the city of Edmonton, Alberta said on Tuesday, making it the region’s worst episode of mass murder in more than 135 years.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1748216/multiple-victims-in-north-edmonton-homicide-investigation-police/

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on January 06, 2015, 04:42:05 PM
34 minutes ago:
- Active shooter at William Beaumont Army Medical Center in Texas
- Homeland security, border patrol and military police now at William Beaumont Army Medical Center in Texas
- There is an active shooter at the El Paso VA Health Care System in El Paso, Texas, a spokesman said Tuesday. The area is on lockdown, said Clarence Davis, spokesman for the William Beaumont Army Medical Center, which is adjacent to the VA facility.
- CNN reports 2 shot

Update:
- CNN reporting gunman has self inflicted gunshot.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6tBt4xCAAEd_2U.jpg)


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on January 06, 2015, 08:02:28 PM
Whatever happened to the term murder-suicide?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 07, 2015, 10:03:57 AM
This is NOT verified, but is in progress:

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2684000/Shoreline-elementary-school-on-lockdown-following-report-of-armed-man-on-grounds
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Dainty on January 22, 2015, 05:55:17 AM
Happened last night, a bit late to add: http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2015/01/2-people-reportedly-shot-in-downtown-seattle/

A friend and I had a bus transfer at those stops. We arrived around 10:30 and the police presence across the street was freakin' impressive. Which I had snapped a picture but we were in a rush.

Our initial plans were scheduled a couple hours earlier and would have placed us there around the time of the incident. Funny how life works out sometimes.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on January 30, 2015, 12:25:43 PM
30 minutes ago:
- Naked Florida man on a building rooftop on a sniper perch in Palm Beach County threatening to shoot civilians and police.
- On roof top of 1700 S Federal Hwy in Palm Beach CO, Florida in a sniper perch threatening to shoot civilians.
- According to an emergency alert issued through Palm Beach county, authorities say a naked man armed with a handgun is perched on a rooftop near 1700 S. Federal Highway in Lake Worth, purportedly the address of the Shangri-La Hotel. The area has been evacuated and emergency vehicles brought in. At this point, he has reportedly only fired into the air, but has threatened to harm himself. David Coviello, a veteran with the local Emergency Services, claims police are saying that the unknown man is naked and rolling about the rooftop, reportedly placing the weapon in his mouth. Traffic in the area is reportedly backed up.

SWAT/ERT
01/30/15 12:54   (LAKE WORTH - ) PBSO & PBCFR HAVE AN UNIFIED COMMAND POST FOR AN ACTIVE SHOOTER ON TOP OF A BUILDING AREA EVACUATED [FLA079]

Scanner http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/19330/web

(I am only posting this event, due to its bizarreness)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on January 30, 2015, 12:35:07 PM
I do not need to see live streaming video of this one!
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on January 30, 2015, 12:36:33 PM
I do not need to see live streaming video of this one!

 :rofl: I had not even thought about it.

But now that you mention it http://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/lake-worth/palm-beach-county-sheriffs-office-deputies-respond-to-call-of-man-with-a-gun-on-lake-worth-roof


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TexDaddy on January 30, 2015, 03:40:50 PM
Looks like it's over now. He surrendered.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on January 30, 2015, 03:55:09 PM
Glad to hear that Tex.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on February 12, 2015, 02:17:07 PM
Developing...............

Active shooter incident occurring at the time of this post in Sioux Falls, SD.   Two injuries reported. Shooter location unknown.

(h/t Kilroy)

ETA:
Trying to find out if this is the same or a different incident than the one reported here:
http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/authorities-respond-to-shooting-in-lennox/?id=175981

ETA: there appears to be another crime scene South of town that at this time has not been determined to be connected.

Lennox is in Lincoln Co. and Sioux Falls in Minnehaha Co.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on February 12, 2015, 03:03:44 PM
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56KWGyPs28s&feature=youtu.be

35 minutes ago:
Sioux Falls police are telling people in the area of South Hallow to stay in their homes while they look for the suspect in Lennox shooting


11 minutes ago:
Police on scene at South Hallo Avenue in Sioux Falls where suspect in Lennox shooting lives.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9rOOG5IQAA8l9S.jpg)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on February 12, 2015, 03:06:54 PM
Suspect is reported to have fled law enforcement, crashed vehicle, and is reported deceased.

(h/t Kilroy)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on February 12, 2015, 05:24:36 PM
Update: 
Quote
LENNOX, SD - One person is dead following a shooting in Lennox.  Another person is in critical condition. A third person is hospitalized after fighting with the gunman.
 
It all started just after 2 p.m. when a gunman entered a business, shot two people, got into a physical fight with others and took off.  Officials responded by locking down businesses and schools across town.   

More info. here:  http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/one-dead-in-lennox-shooting/?id=175987
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on February 14, 2015, 09:54:19 AM
This is a still developing story:

A Coppenhagen Café was holding an event called "Art, Blasphemy, and the Freedom of Expression" featuring some high profile individuals who have been targeted by Islamic extremists and their intolerance.


Quote
Danish media say several shots have been fired at a cafe in Copenhagen where a meeting about freedom of speech was being held, organized by Swedish artist Lars Vilks, who has faced numerous threats for caricaturing the Prophet Muhammad in 2007.

The TV2 channel said Saturday there were some 30 bullet holes in the window of the Krudttoenden cafe and said at least two people were taken away on stretchers, including a uniformed police officer.
   

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/14/reports-shots-fired-at-copenhagen-cafe-free-speech-event/

Quote
 
16.49 The French ambassador, Francois Zimeray, has given a dramatic account of the attack to AFP news agency.


Quote They fired on us from the outside. It was the same intention as (the January 7 attack on) Charlie Hebdo except they didn't manage to get in.

Intuitively I would say there were at least 50 gunshots, and the police here are saying 200.

Bullets went through the doors and everyone threw themselves to the floor. We managed to flee the room, and now we're staying inside because it's still dangerous.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11413226/Copenhagen-shooting-during-debate-on-Islam-live.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on February 14, 2015, 11:34:02 AM
More on the Copenhagen act of terrorism: 

 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1138790376136601&set=vb.115621461786836&type=2&theater

Twitter feed:  https://twitter.com/search?q=%23chpshooting

From reports it would appear one Danish civilian is dead, 3 police injured, two gunmen still at large.  Getaway vehicle was carjacked from civilian and has been found.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on February 14, 2015, 12:00:28 PM
Swedish news in English: http://www.thelocal.se/20150214/shots-fired-at-lars-vilks-meeting-in-copenhagen

Quote
The newspaper Ekstra Bladet writes that the police are treating the attack as an act of terrorism.

Helle Merete Blix, one of the organizers of the meeting, told Danish channel TV2 News that the meeting continued following the drama:

"We couldn't get away, so the debate meeting carried on," she said. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on February 14, 2015, 05:15:52 PM
8 minutes ago: (which is now like 30 minutes ago)
- Nørreport Station in Copenhagen being evacuated as new shooting erupts in city
- At least 1 shooting victim on Krystalgade street in central Copenhagen, major emergency response
- Shots fired at Copenhagen synagogue - Reuters
- 3 people shot, including 2 police officers, in central Copenhagen, gunman fled the scene

1 minute ago update
- Copenhagen police say it's not safe to be outside right now after 2nd suspected attack

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on February 14, 2015, 06:24:24 PM
8 minutes ago: (which is now like 30 minutes ago)
- Nørreport Station in Copenhagen being evacuated as new shooting erupts in city
- At least 1 shooting victim on Krystalgade street in central Copenhagen, major emergency response
- Shots fired at Copenhagen synagogue - Reuters
- 3 people shot, including 2 police officers, in central Copenhagen, gunman fled the scene

1 minute ago update
- Copenhagen police say it's not safe to be outside right now after 2nd suspected attack

Cedar

There's a new # for that one:   https://twitter.com/hashtag/jegerk%C3%B8benhavner?f=realtime&src=hash
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on February 14, 2015, 06:55:43 PM
Audio of first Copenhagen shooting today
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/14/listen-audio-of-beginning-of-first-copenhagen-shooting/

Current:
- People living near the area of synagogue shooting can't get home. Urged by police to go nearby taverns
(Another reason to keep BOBs in your vehicle)


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on February 14, 2015, 10:23:32 PM
Man shot at synagogue in second Copenhagen attack has died.

Danish police shot and killed "person of interest" at Norrebro train station.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/feb/15/copenhagen-shootings-gun-assault-at-synagogue-follows-shootings-at-cafe-rolling-report#block-54e0279ce4b0a79eae21d986
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on February 14, 2015, 10:36:30 PM
COPENHAGEN TERROR
- 1 dead, 3 injured at cafe
- 1 dead, 2 injured at synagogue
- NEW: 1 person shot at train station
- Copenhagen police say not known if 2 shootings are connected, but would appear 'likely'.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on February 16, 2015, 06:06:18 AM
Audio of first Copenhagen shooting today
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/14/listen-audio-of-beginning-of-first-copenhagen-shooting/

Current:
- People living near the area of synagogue shooting can't get home. Urged by police to go nearby taverns
(Another reason to keep BOBs in your vehicle)


Cedar
And enough in your wallet for a few pints and some pub food. ;)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on February 27, 2015, 09:25:22 AM
3 hours ago:
-  At least 9 dead at 6 crime scenes in the Tyrone-area of Missouri
- Gunman among 9 dead at multiple scenes in Texas County, Missouri
-  The suspect -- a 36-year-old man -- was found dead of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot in a vehicle in an adjacent county, police said.
- Another body -- that of an elderly woman who apparently died of natural causes -- was found in a fifth residence during the investigation, Kinder said. It wasn't immediately clear whether the woman was connected to the case.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/27/us/missouri-deaths/index.html

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on March 18, 2015, 10:46:39 AM
Mass shooting reported in Mesa, Arizona. Multiple locations. Near Main St and Alma School. 5 people shot in different locations around Mesa, Arizona...Situation ongoing.. circumstances yet unknown

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/mesa/multiple-injuries-in-mesa-shooting-incident

SCANNER http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/11803

A woman reportedly was driving on Main Street between Longmore and Alma School Road when a bullet struck her car, shattering a window. The Light Rail reportedly is not running in the area right now. Aerial video from the scene showed police going through an apartment complex in the area of Southern Avenue and Dobson Road.

Update:
Working active shooting scene 1600 w main st. Avoid the area. Main at westbound closed in that area

Now many sources are saving 5 people shot.

School officials said the East Valley Institute of Technology and Mesa Community College's Southern and Dobson campus have been put on lockdown as a precaution. Valley Metro light rail had apparently suspended service in the area.

Update:
- Some sources are now saying 6 shot.
- Mesa Community College locked down Public Safety advises students to stay in location or find secure room http://www.mesacc.edu/

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on March 18, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
The suspect: White male in his 40s. He is bald. He was last seen wearing a grey shirt and dark shorts or pants. He has a tattoo on his neck. (may have changed shirts)

- From someone's twitter account,"Some kid brought guns to EVIT we been on lockdown for 30 minutes" (This has been unconfirmed however)

- Police believe there are 5-6 shooting scenes

LIVE FEED (I think?) http://www.azcentral.com/videos/weather/2015/02/24/1881222/

From someone's twitter account,"Some kid brought guns to EVIT we been on lockdown for 30 minutes" (This has been unconfirmed however)

- UPDATE: Adult male shot at Bistro next to EVITnews campus, is one of the 6 previously reported victims

Update: (Unconfirmed except for 1 news source)  The first shooting occurred at the Tri-City Inn around 8:45 a.m. local time, when three people were shot in a motel room, a MPD source told the Republic. One person was killed, while the other two were injured. The suspect then ran to a nearby restaurant run by the East Valley Institute of Technology and stole a car. An EVIT student also was shot in the shoulder, according to police. The suspect then stole a car and fled the location. A bullet struck a car on Main Street in Mesa, shattering a window, but the woman driving does not appear to be injured, KPHO reported.

UPDATE: DPS confirms it is sending its SWAT team to Mesa to assist in the apprehension of the shooter.

On a sidenote: People inside a restaurant supply store didn't see or hear anything, part of the crime scene is in their parking lot.

Sidenote: Calls for other 911 calls are stacking up for 2 hours.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on March 18, 2015, 12:19:15 PM
Shootings are near two colleges and an elementary school.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on March 18, 2015, 12:31:42 PM
Police looking for shooter near Dobson road between main and southern. Police going room by room through a large apartment complex(1 full block). 6 shooting locations multiple car jacking a by one man. I just had lunch in the immediate area last weekend!  I hate going to the city!
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on March 18, 2015, 12:33:31 PM
Unconfirmed: So there's apparently THREE separate shooting incidents in Arizona right now with the Mesa incident being the worst.

One may be in Burnsville, AZ

Unconfirmed: One of sites of Mesa shooting today about 3 miles from #Athletics spring camp at Hohokam Stadium. Multiple injuries reported.

(confirmed) MesaPD chopper overhead searching for shooting suspect near Dobson/8th Ave

(confirmed) People living in the Sorrento Apts not allowed to go home

(unconfirmed) Seeing some reports of utility worker shot near 8th dobson.

Something about "Chandler" is a hot topic right now on the scanner. I cannot figure out if that is a town, a street or what. (It is a town. LEO on radios saying they are not getting any reply from Chandler)

Not sure who these guys are
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZmqsuWoAAJ_ng.jpg)

Leos requesting water drops as they think they are going to be there awhile.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on March 18, 2015, 12:38:09 PM

Something about "Chandler" is a hot topic right now on the scanner. I cannot figure out if that is a town, a street or what. (It is a town. LEO on radios saying they are not getting any reply from Chandler)


Chandler, AZ is a city.  In fact my company has a massive data center located there.  We also have another data center in Phoenix proper, which is ridiculous from a geographical redundancy point, but I digress...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on March 18, 2015, 12:38:39 PM
Chandler is the next city east of Mesa sharing a common border.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on March 18, 2015, 12:45:49 PM
(confirmed, but unknown if it is related to this incident at this time) Another shooting in Peoria?? Also a suburb of Phoenix Officials are investigating an officer-involved shooting in Peoria. Glendale police said the shooting happened at a Circle K at 67th Avenue and Peoria on Wednesday morning. Peoria police said it is an active scene and no details are available.

A vehicle involved in the Mesa shootings has been recovered (confirmed)

Scenes of Mesa incident
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZZIVXUcAAJeTX.png)

(unconfirmed)  3 people reportedly shot in Glendale and now reports of another shooting in Scottsdale.
UPDATE: Glendale police say that the officer-involved shooting at 67th Ave. & Peoria is NOT related to Mesa shootings.

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on March 18, 2015, 01:06:21 PM
Multiple car jackings. At least three cars and plates ran by the police.

Update: The Glendale officer involved shooting is not related to the current Chandler, or Mesa incident.

From someone in the area.
https://twitter.com/kimmi3U

(confirmed) 1-2 shootings in Scottsdale now, (unconfirmed if it is related to Mesa)

(confirmed) 6 different scenes for the Mesa shooting
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZuOJSUgAAarpL.jpg)

(confirmed)  Police say SOME of the shootings were random.

(mostly confirmed) An argument happened at the motel, mother & son shot, these were the first shootings. Uknown on their health.

LEO to dispatch, "I am heading back to the crime scene"
Dispatch to LEP. "Which crime scene?"


- There is a name and a photo being sent about currently. Hold that thought, I am not ready to post it yet until we know for sure.

- (unconfirmed via scanner) They may have him trapped currently. More LEO arriving. OR NOT... he seems to be in a vehicle now.


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on March 18, 2015, 01:48:38 PM
This is the guy of interest and the suspect. Ryan Elliot Giroux

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZvUIRUsAAa-5X.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZy1u_UwAEeXeg.jpg)

Tattoos include HUNTER, 88 and Celtic cross on chin. SKIN HEAD tattooed on eyebrows.
Been in jail 4x

Last known address was at  E Monica Ave Phoenix

- Police are approaching a Honda they believe the suspect is in at an old country buffet. Preparing to enter.
- Jumped North wall and into trailer park

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on March 18, 2015, 01:50:14 PM
Suspect captured (unconfirmed confirmed)
Suspect confessed (unconfirmed)
Mesa Shooting suspect was tazed and taken into custody near Dobson & 8th Ave: (unconfirmed -- there is going to be a HUGE issue with this)

SWAT officers said he gave up without a fight

Scanner says 1 suspect in custody
Mesa PD confirm a suspect in is custody in Mesa Shooting.
At apartment complex at 8th ave & Pueblo

LIVE FEED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1z_3Y1Sl6k

This event included 6 shootings in 5 locations, 1-3 carjackings, a home invasion.....

Cedar

PS this ended way better than I thought it was going to
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on March 18, 2015, 01:56:28 PM
Put him back in prison and keep him there this time, please. 

Jeesh, who would have suspected this guy might be a problem in the future? ::)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on March 18, 2015, 02:06:01 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZvUIRUsAAa-5X.jpg:large)
Cedar
He's the very model of a bright upstanding individual.
 :crazy: :crazy:
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on March 18, 2015, 02:09:26 PM
There are going to be some issues from this ongoing I think..

- He was a white guy and did not die in the end. He was tazed and not shot
- He was dressed in a hazmat suit to put into a LEO vehicle (truck)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZ8NbbVAAAevYz.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZ8jB9UkAAwo3U.jpg)

- A skinhead guy
- A prior prison guy who should not have had a gun, yet had one
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on March 18, 2015, 02:26:27 PM
I suspect the gun was not legally acquired. And it's tragic about the misuse of a taser. Definitely qualifies for a higher voltage setting, like one wired to the grid.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on March 18, 2015, 03:31:29 PM
He's the very model of a bright upstanding individual.
 :crazy: :crazy:

Aw come on!  I'm stunned I didn't get matched with him on eHarmony!  Seems like every skinhead on the planet thought I was his Aryan dream.

I don't think they were happy when they found out I vehemently disagreed with their philosophies.  Surprise!

On a side note, I find the shootings interesting considering (as you probably heard) Nevada is one step closer to allowing concealed carry with permit on college campuses.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/28552584/bill-allowing-concealed-guns-on-colleges-passes-hurdle (http://www.8newsnow.com/story/28552584/bill-allowing-concealed-guns-on-colleges-passes-hurdle)

Of course, I already had one genius post something like "What's next - carrying guns around in the open like the wild west?"  Um, yeah.  That's already perfectly legal.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on March 18, 2015, 03:36:43 PM
That was one restriction we were spared in the spate of gun laws passed after the Aurora Theater Shooting. A ban on campuses was proposed, but successfully stopped by one democrat with a conscience and I suspect, a daughter in college.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on March 18, 2015, 03:42:05 PM
They are working on the Scottsdale dead guy now, seeing if there is a connection to Mesa. It was a male, likely dumped at the canal.

Cedar
Title: Wayne County Community College - Goldsboro, North Carolina
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on April 13, 2015, 08:11:24 AM
One person reported to have been killed in shooting inside library at Wayne County Community College this morning. 

School is on lockdown.
...still developing story.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/13/us-usa-shooting-north-carolina-idUSKBN0N41D020150413

Quote
The suspect is a white, bald man, about 5-foot-11, with a goatee and tattoo over his left eye, CNN reported, citing Wiggins. The suspect was wearing a blue jacket and light-colored pants.

Wiggins told CNN that multiple law enforcement agencies were at the site. The motive for the shooting was not known and it was not clear if there were other victims.

http://news.yahoo.com/community-college-north-carolina-lockdown-shooting-media-report-131352768.html
 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on April 13, 2015, 01:11:49 PM
Update on Wayne County Community College murder/shooting.  The victim has been identified as Ron Lane, the operator of the print shop.

Quote
Wayne County Sheriff's Major Tom Effler said other employees at the college identified the shooter as a former student.

"This is not a random situation," said Effler, who described the person of interest as a white man with tattoos on his face.

Effler said the shooter used a "long gun" and was no longer believed to be on campus.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-sought-after-nc-community-college-employee-killed/ar-AAaVXsI?ocid=ansnewsreu11
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on April 14, 2015, 06:29:19 AM
Suspect in Waynesville Community College shooting murder has been arrested in Florida. He was discovered sleeping on Daytona Beach. 

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article18469439.html

Quote
Beach patrol officers found Kenneth Morgan Stancil III shortly before 1:30 a.m. in Daytona Beach, Goldsboro police Capt. Dwayne Dean said. Sleeping on the beach violates a local ordinance, Dean said, and Stancil was arrested without incident.

Stancil is accused of shooting and killing his print shop director Ron Lane in the print shop at Wayne County Community College on Monday morning. Lane had supervised Stancil, a former student, under a work-study program, officials said. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on April 24, 2015, 02:14:53 PM
Posting in Cedar's absence:

Salem and Keizer Police

Salem Police Department and Keizer Police Department Salem PD: 460.47500 Keizer PD 857.48750 TG 57840

TURNER RD - WALMART - ACTIVE SHOOTER INCIDENT. SHOTS HAVE BEEN FIRED. POLICE K9 SHOT. PER PD - AVOID THE AREA!!!!! (63 minutes ago)

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/2228

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on April 24, 2015, 02:38:26 PM
Sounds like the dog is going to be ok. Sounds like it's continuing.

http://www.kptv.com/story/28892725/reports-of-police-activity-near-salem-walmart-store (http://www.kptv.com/story/28892725/reports-of-police-activity-near-salem-walmart-store)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 03, 2015, 07:58:26 PM
1 hour ago:
- At least 2 people shot - said to be suspects - outside free speech event in Garland, TX
- Garland PD say nearby Walmart evacuated as a precaution in case of explosives while they search suspects' car
-  3 Shot, 2 Dead After Shooting At Free Speech Event In Texas.

LIVE FEEDhttp://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20150503-breaking-gunfire-reported-at-anti-islam-event-at-garland-isd-facility.ece

A contest for cartoons depictions of the Prophet Muhammad in a Dallas suburb is on lockdown after authorities reported a shooting outside the building. An officer dressed in SWAT gear took the stage toward the end of the event at the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland and told attendees, including an Associated Press reporter, that a shooting had occurred. He said one officer and two suspects were shot. The New York-based American Freedom Defense Initiative was hosting a contest that would award $10,000 for the best cartoon depicting the Prophet Muhammad at the venue.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on May 03, 2015, 08:57:32 PM
Daily Mail article is reporting that explosives were found nearby the Cuwell Center  and that the suspects may have been wearing explosives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3066779/Police-officer-suspect-said-injured-shooting-outside-art-anti-Muslim-exhibition-art-depicting-prophet-Muhammad.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mitch214 on May 03, 2015, 11:02:42 PM
The shooter in Garland Tx was less than 1/2 a mile from my office. I will let y'all know more after I get to work and talk to the people that live next to where it happened
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 03, 2015, 11:23:22 PM
I thought that was you. Thanks for the update Mitch..

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 04, 2015, 11:18:57 AM
- US authorities examining possible link between Texas shooters and international terrorism, government source says.

- Authorities have identified one of the suspected gunmen who attacked an event in Dallas on cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, US media say.
http://www.bbc.com/news/32582683

- 23 minutes ago:'It's time for brothers in the US to do their part': American jihadi allegedly called for attack on Texas Muhammad drawing contest.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mitch214 on May 04, 2015, 09:38:58 PM
Not much to report here. Ppl around here are not worring about it. It's no big deal. The rest of the country is making a bigger deal about it.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 05, 2015, 08:19:13 AM
- Islamic State says it was responsible for the attack on a Prophet Muhammad cartoon exhibition in the US state of Texas in which two gunmen died.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32589546
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/05/us/garland-texas-prophet-mohammed-contest-shooting/index.html

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on May 05, 2015, 08:39:29 AM
Please move all political discussions about the Garland, Texas shooting to this new thread and keep this thread on the topic of active shootings and information directly related to the incident itself and the actions of law enforcement.

https://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=54511.0 (https://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=54511.0)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mitch214 on May 05, 2015, 09:54:32 AM
 Sorry endurance.  Was not trying to be political. As of 0800 today  please still have the entire side block it off most vehicles are still in the parking lot unmoved. The FBI was not there this morning but there was3 state trooper  cruisers parked next to the burnt car.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on May 05, 2015, 12:33:34 PM
Note the difference in outcomes between this and Charlie Hebdo.

Hebdo HQ is under constant threat (essentially a 24 hour a day threat).

This was a one time venue for the controversial event.  In the wake of the Hebdo incident and frequent previous threats there was considerable presence from law enforcement.  Additionally, it was not like this was a a terribly hard mental leap for officers.  You are guarding what you are told is a high risk level event.  You only have to stay alert for hours rather than the days and weeks of the Hebdo LE presence.  So when two guys come popping out of a car with rifles yelling "Aloha Snackbar!" the way forward for the officer was rather clear.

There is of course the gun issue.  We have lots of guns so even lowly security and traffic personnel are armed, that seems to have been a problem in the Hebdo shooting where it at least appeared the officers in and outside the Hebdo offices were unarmed.

Good on the traffic cop for being able to stand and deliver with a handgun against two adversaries with long arms.
#dontmesswithtexas


Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on May 05, 2015, 12:52:36 PM
Good on the traffic cop for being able to stand and deliver with a handgun against two adversaries with long arms.
#dontmesswithtexas
two adversaries with long arms, AND body armor.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on May 05, 2015, 01:04:02 PM
two adversaries with long arms, AND body armor.
I heard that and didnt know if I wanted to talk about it.  Every shooter with a chest rack for mags is claimed to be "wearing body armor" so I wanted to let it play out.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 07, 2015, 04:22:29 PM
7 minutes ago: (Colorado I am presuming)
- Male wearing a black jacket reported entering Ritchie Center carrying an assault rifle. Seek safety in the nearest locked space.
- Richie Center on lock down while police search building.
- On Tuesday, the school released a similar alert, but Denver police said it turned out to be a man carrying a hockey stick.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEb2EJyWgAAfqGr.jpg:large)

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/du-male-with-rifle-seen-entering-ritchie-center-school-urges-students-staff-to-seek-safety05072015

SCANNER http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/32/web

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 07, 2015, 04:28:37 PM
4 minutes ago:
- New report of a white male wearing a red jacket and carrying a handgun near Newman Center at Denver University.
- University of Denver is stating -- "Some media are reporting possible gunman is a hoax. This is unconfirmed. Remain on lock down. Denver Police are searching 2 areas on campus."

DUAlert: ALL CLEAR - ALL CLEAR. Area searched. No suspect contacted. Report suspicious activity to Campus Safety at 303-871-3000.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on May 07, 2015, 06:40:31 PM
That brings up a good point.  Many universities have an emergency alert system that will email and/or text you with any issues like active shooters or biohazard spills.  It's a really good idea to be on that list.

But some of them are "opt in" and you're not automatically signed up, so you have to do it manually.

I'm registered for mine to be notified via email and text, and it doesn't inundate me with the minor stuff.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on May 08, 2015, 05:27:19 AM
That brings up a good point.  Many universities have an emergency alert system that will email and/or text you with any issues like active shooters or biohazard spills.  It's a really good idea to be on that list.

But some of them are "opt in" and you're not automatically signed up, so you have to do it manually.

I'm registered for mine to be notified via email and text, and it doesn't inundate me with the minor stuff.
The same goes for reverse 911 in some counties. I registered our cell phones a couple years ago and as the county has upgraded the system, I now get severe weather warning calls and texts, too. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 09, 2015, 09:50:48 PM
2 hours ago:
- 2 police officers shot in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. Suspect at large. Local PD, state police and FBI on scene. The Hattiesburg American reported the suspect may have fled in a police vehicle, which was found abandoned nearby at an old train depot.

-WDAM journalist Ryan Moore, who reported from the scene of the shooting, said in messages on Twitter that the officers were shot during a traffic stop and that the suspect then fled in one of their vehicles.

- Mayor Johnny DuPree asked area residents to remain home while a search for the gunman was underway. The shooting -- the first fatal shooting of an on-duty officer in Hattiesburg in about 30 years -- occurred about 8 p.m.

27 minutes ago:
- Fatal shooting claims lives of both Hattiesburg police officers, massive manhunt underway.

8 minutes ago:
-  2nd shooting:  2 people shot on I-20 W. near Flowers Exit In Mississippi as Manhunt Continues For Cop Killer.WARREN COUNTY, MS (Mississippi News Now) -  According to Warren County Sheriff Martin Pace, two people have been shot near the Flowers Exit on I-20 west. Pace said one person called 911 saying they'd been shot. They were told a male and female were shot near mile marker 16, just inside the Warren County line. The sheriff also said Warren County, Hinds County and the Mississippi Highway Patrol are on the scene.

Current Scanner Feed: http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/8868/web

3 minutes ago:
- Speculation: That they took Hwy 49 to Jackson & then W on I-20.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 09, 2015, 10:32:27 PM
2 minutes ago:
- Curtis & Marvin Banks wanted for shooting and killing two Mississippi police officers.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEniZdEUsAIVIWl.jpg:large)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 10, 2015, 08:29:37 AM
5 minutes ago:
- 3 arrested after shooting and killing 2 Mississippi police officers. (How old is that kid?)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEppzzaUMAEsDnG.jpg:large)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 10, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
The two police officers killed last night.
Benjamin Deen & Liquori Tate

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEpuu2jWgAAMsi4.jpg:large)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on May 10, 2015, 09:07:45 AM
The two police officers killed last night.
Benjamin Deen & Liquori Tate

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEpuu2jWgAAMsi4.jpg:large)

Cedar
Valhalla.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on May 10, 2015, 09:15:43 AM
5 minutes ago:
- 3 arrested after shooting and killing 2 Mississippi police officers. (How old is that kid?)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEppzzaUMAEsDnG.jpg:large)

Cedar

It looks like a woman to me.  Probably in her early 20's.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 10, 2015, 09:22:51 AM
It looks like a woman to me.  Probably in her early 20's.

You are right, she is a she... Marvin Banks, 29, and Joanie Calloway, 22, were each charged with two counts of capital murder. Banks' brother Curtis, 26, was also arrested and charged with two counts of accessory after the fact of capital murder. Strain said the three were arrested overnight at different locations in Hattiesburg.
http://news.yahoo.com/two-police-officers-shot-killed-mississippi-local-media-034005624.html

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TexasGirl on May 10, 2015, 10:05:29 AM
Were they general thugs, or known to be part of a gang?  I haven't seen much credible reporting in the MSM, just parroting statements.

~TG
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 10, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Not alot of details yet TG.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: ncjeeper on May 10, 2015, 11:26:21 AM
Where is Al Sharpton and all the protests? RIP my fellow brothers in blue.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 11, 2015, 09:50:01 PM
12 minutes ago:
- Three shot near UC Santa Barbara campus. Campus on lock-down.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CExs0rXUIAAS8E4.jpg)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 11, 2015, 10:10:39 PM
14 minutes ago:
- A man fled the area by UC Santa Barbara & drove toward Highway 217 possibly in a white sedan. PD searching.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 17, 2015, 02:52:40 PM
4 minutes ago:
- MASS SHOOING: AT LEAST 9 DEAD AND MANY INJURED IN BIKER GANG SHOOTING IN WACO, TEXAS. Multiple fatalities and injuries following a shooting at Twin Peaks early Sunday afternoon. The conflict began with an argument inside the restaurant which escalated and moved into the parking lot. Multiple weapons were involved in the conflict, including chains, knives, bats, clubs, and firearms. Twin Peaks and Don Carlos are on lock-down. The area is active but secure, however police request that civilians avoid the area.

- Police at the scene have confirmed multiple fatalities at the restaurant in Waco, Texas.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 17, 2015, 08:14:51 PM
- 9 dead
- 18 injured
- 5 bike gangs
- 150-200 bikers
- 50+ guns recovered (update - More than 100 weapons recovered from biker gang fight)
- Residents of Waco, Texas urged to use caution as more bikers heading in.
-  "This biker war is about to get bad since they're closing down all the roads" (I presume the police are)

8:45pm CT: The brawl began in the bathroom with most likely a push, shove, or somebody looking at somebody wrong.  That quickly escalated into a fistfight, which turned into a knife fight, which immediately turned into a gun fight. Waco police tell CBS the fight poured from the bathroom into the parking lot. Officers moved in to contain the brouhaha. Bikers fired at officers; officers returned fire.

LIVE FEED http://www.cbsnews.com/live/?ftag=CNMe94798 (http://www.cbsnews.com/live/?ftag=CNMe94798)
Scanner: ?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFPdw4lW8AAYDsM.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFQEvixWoAEQLjO.jpg)


More bikers on their way to Waco. "Stay inside, Waco. This was taken in Bellmead."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFPpijYVIAAb4K_.jpg:large)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on May 18, 2015, 07:34:07 AM
Wow. That went from zero to psycho in a hurry. I remember a biker gathering up in Steamboat Springs, CO on the way to Sturgis one year going sideways. Only one shot, but he refused to press charges or cooperate with police. The biker gangs kept the police out of the hotel room until all evidence had been removed. Apparently by the time the police were able to take control of the room, the entire room had been repainted (they suspect they removed a bullet from a wall, fixed the hole and painted to cover it up).  By the time it was all done, over 500 police from across the state were there. No arrests.

I think I'd be hoping for a lot of rain right now if I lived in Waco.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on May 18, 2015, 07:37:44 AM
165 arrested this time Endurance.

Kinda of a background on these guys
http://heavy.com/news/2015/05/cossacks-motorcycle-club-biker-gang-waco-texas-shootout-shooting-members-photos-patch-video-scimitars-history-arrests-crimes-rival-bandidos/

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 05, 2015, 03:02:43 PM
10 minutes ago:

- 5 people shot in New Orleans in rapid succession. Two gunmen at large. Five people were shot in rapid succession Friday afternoon in Tremé and the 7th Ward, New Orleans police said. Investigators were seeking two gunmen in a red Nissan Versa with an out-of-state license plate and possibly missing its passenger-side mirror.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 05, 2015, 04:27:25 PM
10 minutes ago:

- 5 people shot in New Orleans in rapid succession. Two gunmen at large. Five people were shot in rapid succession Friday afternoon in Tremé and the 7th Ward, New Orleans police said. Investigators were seeking two gunmen in a red Nissan Versa with an out-of-state license plate and possibly missing its passenger-side mirror.

Cedar
Perhaps the slowest getaway vehicle in the worst color ever.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 15, 2015, 10:05:40 AM
Little Rock Air Force Base on lockdown after 'active threat'
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/jun/15/authorities-respond-air-force-base-incident/?news-arkansas
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/15/little-rock-air-force-base-shots-fired/71248158/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

(http://media.arkansasonline.com/img/photos/2015/06/15/bomb2_t630.jpg?30004eeab9fb5f824ff65e51d525728c55cf3980)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 17, 2015, 08:45:00 PM
30 minutes ago:
-  MASS SHOOTING: 8 KILLED AT A CHURCH IN SOUTH CAROLINA. Authorities in Charleston, South Carolina are responding to a shooting at a church.
- SHOOTER AT LARGE IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
- The incident happened at about 9 p.m. at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church on Calhoun Street in downtown Charleston, police said. http://www.emanuelamechurch.org/churchhistory.php
- Post and Courier reports shooting happened inside church while bible study was going on.
- Police described the gunman as a white male wearing a gray sweatshirt and blue jeans. Police said he was approximately 21 years old.

Update:
- Police Looking for white male suspect, slender, clean shaven, 21 yo, jeans, grey sweater, possible hoodie, timberland boots
- Police just showed up with a man in handcuffs and took him inside the hotel. Police just took a man in a grey shirt and boots inside the Marriott. He was a young white male. Possible suspect. Witness said he was smiling.
(What is hanging on him? Looks like a camera?)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHwBI49WcAAFl0u.jpg)

More photos of the man in handcuffs. He’s soaked in sweat. Wearing clothes similar to what police described
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHwBSdMUEAA8dEl.jpg)

- Police seem to still be searching for suspect?

SCANNER http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/18624

Another Update:
- Guy taken into custody appears to be photographer another reporter did a story on this year. Police say still searching for suspect. More witnesses saying guy arrested might have just been in wrong place at the wrong time, nothing confirmed.

- Right before this guy was taken into custody, many reports of more shots fired... about 13 minutes ago.
- All fire personnel released to go back to quarters

Yet another update:
- Dispatch says that this man is a suspect and that there may be an unexploded device on the property.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 17, 2015, 09:04:04 PM
I will never understand some people.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 17, 2015, 09:14:28 PM
LIVE FEEDhttp://www.live5news.com/category/219058/live-stream

Another update:
- Rev. Joe Darby, elder of regional AME churches, says he hasn't heard who was shot, whether Clementa Pinckney is among them.
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/member.php?code=1479545277
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clementa_C._Pinckney
- Dispatch sending 2 fire trucks to Main & Calhoun now after releasing all firetrucks back to quarters 5 minutes ago.
- 11 people were at the Bible Study after they had a meeting (annual?), at least 9 people killed. Coroner has been called and on scene.
- Only one person who was shot left in ambulance to hospital, condition unknown.


** They are having family members meet at the hotel across the street from the church. Is this normal with the shooter still in an unknown location?

1 minute ago:
Another Update:
- Police officer says there’s an “immediate threat” and we are being pushed back
- Everyone moving from Courtyard Marriott, officials say there is a bomb threat

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 17, 2015, 09:37:43 PM
1 minute ago: (11:37 SC time)
- Residents near shooting told to evacuate (hope they have BOBs)
- Helicopter is still above the scene but has moved to be more over Marion Square.
- Police say there was a bomb threat made in the area. It’s unclear where the threat was made but we have been pushed back about a half block
- Meeting Street blocked off

- Media asked to go to King and Calhoun for briefing
- (unverified) Shooting is on the anniversary of the Denmark Vesey slave revolt in Charleston. church that was rebuilt by his son.

- (unverified, but from a good source) A worker from the church has said 9 people are dead


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Russkie on June 17, 2015, 09:40:41 PM
** They are having family members meet at the hotel across the street from the church. Is this normal with the shooter still in an unknown location?

Or perhaps positive body identification. With the church still an active crime scene, perhaps you cant have em messing with that.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 17, 2015, 09:44:49 PM
Or perhaps positive body identification.

That is what I was thinking, but I think endangering them when they do not know what the motive is, where the gunman is, and if there really is a bomb or not, puts their lives in jeopardy.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 17, 2015, 09:57:46 PM
11:53pm (SC time)
- Dispatch has told all EMS to stay away from perimeter? And everyone called in.
- Sounds like everyone is getting pushed back further. Media and others are at least 2 blocks away now.

- The photographer looking guy who was arrested earlier (photos above), has been released. The shooter is still at large. He has since talked to Channel 5. He was just out doing his job. (This was always one of my fears when I was doing reporting).

- Jeb Bush has cancelled his SC presidential kickoff event Thursday because of the fatal shooting in Charleston

LIVE FEED
http://www.live5news.com/category/219058/live-stream
Charles Francis, the mayor and the police chief to give updates in a few minutes, they are currently being briefed. Presser with chief and mayor will be at 12:45 now

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 17, 2015, 10:35:43 PM
UPDATE:
- WCIV TV reporting The Reverend Honorable Clementa C. Pinckney and his sister are among shooting victims.
- ABCNews4 is reporting that pastor and S.C. Sen. Clementa Pinckney and his sister were shot

- Emergency rescue squad vehicle has pulled up outside the Francis Marion Hotel.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 17, 2015, 10:56:46 PM
Well this is not going to go well.
1. An African Methodist Episcopal Church gets shot up
2. By a suspected white guy.
3. A sitting State Senator is among the victims.

No matter what the police do, it will not be enough to bring the perpetrator to justice. The police will be blamed for dragging their feet while the suspect is on the loose.

I hope I'm wrong about this...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 18, 2015, 12:23:41 AM
No official word that Clementa Pinckney is dead, but alot of people such as Al Sharpton and some media are confirming. Sen. Marlon speaking to local Columbia TV station says he has not received official confirmation of Pinckney's death.

- Local NAACP official: Gunman told survivor he'd let her live so she could tell everyone else what happened.

This is the photographer the police arrested/detained
http://www.live5news.com/story/29348184/man-taken-into-custody-during-charleston-shooting-investigation-has-been-released

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 18, 2015, 05:04:48 AM
Whoa - and I was in S.C. just yesterday  (no where near Charleston though).  Sounds like there's a massive backstory we may never fully get from the mainstream media. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 18, 2015, 06:02:37 AM
Thursday morning:
- 9 victims deceased, 3 males, 6 females
- Three people inside the church survived. Nine dead. No others injured
- Mullen says the shooter sat in the prayer meeting for about an hour before the shooting.
- Mullen declined to say what type of weapon was used, whether Sen. Pinckney was targeted specifically.

The suspect is in his early 20s and stands 5 feet, 9 inches tall. "He has on a very distinctive sweatshirt as well as the vehicle, with a very distinctive license plate."
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150618063642-01-charleston-shooting-suspect-exlarge-169.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHx-3cWUMAAWk-9.jpg)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: hackmeister on June 18, 2015, 08:16:43 AM
Shooter has been identified as Dylann Roof:
http://fox6now.com/2015/06/18/dylann-storm-roof-police-name-suspect-in-charleston-church-shooting/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: soccer grannie on June 18, 2015, 08:34:08 AM
http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article24842710.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: hackmeister on June 18, 2015, 08:53:50 AM
So this kid was an apparent racist based on photos of him wearing apartheid era Rhodesian and South African clothing. Also he was arrested twice this year on drug and trespassing charges. His family gave him a .45 for his recent 21st birthday. I wouldn't be shocked if they go after the family member who gave him the gun. Pray for the victims and their families.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Max on June 18, 2015, 08:56:37 AM
This is very, very sad. I hope they find this a hole soon. Now as far as the Media is concerned I find it very disturbing on how they point out that it is a White shooter and black victims right away and that it is an automatic hate crime (which I think it's obvious that it is). Now if the situation was reverse, Black shooter and white victims....Well we might not even hear about it and the media would not be saying it's a hate crime right way, if at all.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 18, 2015, 09:12:46 AM
It surly doesn't help when an Obama staffer tweets about the governor  and confederate  flag last night.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 18, 2015, 09:13:44 AM
Now as far as the Media is concerned I find it very disturbing on how they point out that it is a White shooter and black victims right away and that it is an automatic hate crime (which I think it's obvious that it is).

To give the media credit.. the local news.. before the MSM got involved HOURS later (and seemingly only when they figured out a Senator was involved), that the local news reporter on Channel 5.. who is black, was downplaying the 'racially motivated' hate crime when people who were bring interviewed at the prayer virgils. Then the police said it was looking like a 'racially motivated' hate crime about 2 hours after the incident. So I do not have a problem with MSM and other media saying it was a racially motivated hate crime this time.


The shooter should not have had a weapon due to his drug charges, correct? Shame on the parents! Shame, shame, shame. They indeed need to be ostracized forever.

"An uncle of Roof's said he recognized the man in the surveillance photo as his nephew. The more I look at him, the more I'm convinced, that's him," Carson Cowles, 56, told Reuters in a phone interview. Law enforcement agents were present at Roof's home, Cowles said, adding he believed the shooter's father had recently bought him a .45-caliber handgun as a birthday present."

The suspect is in a 4-door Black Hyundai, license number LGF 330

"Witnesses said the suspect sat with attendees of the prayer meeting for an hour before he turned his gun on them. One woman, who said she was as cousin of the church's pastor, Sen. Rev. Clementa Pinckney, told NBC News late Wednesday night that the shooter reloaded five different times and told a survivor, "I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country. And you have to go."

The jacket he is wearing in the photo of him from FB. [i"]In a Facebook photo, Roof is seen scowling at the camera wearing a jacket with two flags: one representing Rhodesia and the other apartheid South Africa. Both were countries with white minority rule. (Rhodesia was in the area now known as Zimbabwe. After an international campaign against apartheid, South Africa began dismantling the policies in 1990.)"[/i]

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 18, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
UPDATE: Charleston church shooting suspect Dylann Roof has been taken into custody in North Carolina, a senior law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told CNN's Deborah Feyerick.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: soccer grannie on June 18, 2015, 09:41:55 AM
http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article24842710.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 18, 2015, 09:45:34 AM
In the early hours of the investigation, who's  to say that it wasn't religiously motivated.
Now that more info is available, it does look racial.

I'm worried that the administration will fan the embers to stir up trouble.
that this happened at a historically significant location could fuel trouble.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 18, 2015, 09:53:19 AM
In the early hours of the investigation, who's  to say that it wasn't religiously motivated.

The survivor who was left to 'report back' what happened, stated that the shooter said, "I am here to kill black people". She probably started telling people what he said the second that the shooter left/she was out of there.

I'm worried that the administration will fan the embers to stir up trouble.
that this happened at a historically significant location could fuel trouble.

There are going to be alot of people who are fanning the FLAMES.. this is not embers. Even Ferguson is not embers. Al Sharpton is there already, Jesse Jackson, Obama will give a statement in a few https://www.whitehouse.gov/ Countless currently nameless people are going to fan the flames.

It could have been coincidence, but did you see what yesterday's date was significant of for that church?

Cedar

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 18, 2015, 10:29:00 AM
Obama is seemingly changing this to an anti-gun platform. Invoking MLK.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: soccer grannie on June 18, 2015, 10:35:45 AM
Doesn't he always turn just about everything into a platform for his anti-gun agenda. Thugs want a gun they will get a gun. This perp's gun was reported as a gift.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: ncjeeper on June 18, 2015, 11:54:49 AM
Doesn't he always turn just about everything into a platform for his anti-gun agenda. Thugs want a gun they will get a gun.
Yep.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 18, 2015, 04:14:45 PM
In my recent posts I expressed how troubled I am with this incident.
Here is why.

At a time when race has become one of the prime distractors of late, a lone white gunman enters the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church and sat through an hour of bible study. Then after leaving for a short time, came back in and killed 9 church members including its pastor.

What is significant about the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church is its ties with Denmark Vesey, a free slave who plotted "The Rising", a major slave revolt.

When the plot was leaked, Vessey and others were rounded up and five including Vessey were hung.
The church was burned in retaliation.

This church is on holy ground for Black Americans, and this senseless killing by a crazy white man can only spell trouble.
Toss in the flame fanning by obama and others and I wouldn't be surprised to see riots break out soon.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 18, 2015, 04:20:09 PM
 :tinfoily:
planned event that ignites 2 themes - racial divide and gun control.  better than the Aurora and Newtown shooting for both.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on June 18, 2015, 04:23:13 PM
This is very, very sad. I hope they find this a hole soon. Now as far as the Media is concerned I find it very disturbing on how they point out that it is a White shooter and black victims right away and that it is an automatic hate crime (which I think it's obvious that it is). Now if the situation was reverse, Black shooter and white victims....Well we might not even hear about it and the media would not be saying it's a hate crime right way, if at all.

I must disagree.  Any situation where 9 people are murdered in a church, is going to hit national news.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on June 18, 2015, 04:49:04 PM
I'm seeing a pattern, here.  We've got to keep haircuts like these off the street and away from firearms. 

(http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/121216/nn_03pw_connshot_121216.video-260x195.jpg) (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRK3KsRpHRkRknjnpJWss52osP044nWJV_9R88b6FsTrfNqWnsNwg)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 18, 2015, 06:33:42 PM
In the two photos above, they both have dead looking eyes.

In this photo he looks like the very Devil himself. This is the first look at Dylann Roof as he walks out of Shelby Police Department.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH0pRRbWsAAjhnt.jpg)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 18, 2015, 09:06:05 PM
The shooter should not have had a weapon due to his drug charges, correct? Shame on the parents! Shame, shame, shame. They indeed need to be ostracized forever.

"An uncle of Roof's said he recognized the man in the surveillance photo as his nephew. The more I look at him, the more I'm convinced, that's him," Carson Cowles, 56, told Reuters in a phone interview. Law enforcement agents were present at Roof's home, Cowles said, adding he believed the shooter's father had recently bought him a .45-caliber handgun as a birthday present."


This.  So much this.


WTH were they thinking???


There were several years when my son was seriously ADHD, and that meant (in his case) he was extremely emotional with limited impulse control.  I just didn't have ANY guns in the house.  None.


Now that he is older and has had his emotions under control for several years, he has a few of his own, and that's fine.  He's not any kind of risk at all.


As a parent, I just can't fathom handing a gun to a teen having serious issues.  It's stupid.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: soccer grannie on June 18, 2015, 09:26:53 PM
I live in SC. On the news there was a phone interview with the shooter's friend (or room mate). The friend said the mother took the gun away from him but he stole it from her house and she wasn't aware he had it.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on June 18, 2015, 10:12:08 PM
As a parent, I just can't fathom handing a gun to a teen having serious issues.  It's stupid.

I must agree, but it doesn't stop there.  We as parents must be responsible for so much more.  So many parents shouldn't be parents at all.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 19, 2015, 12:20:49 PM
LIVE FEED: Roof Bond hearing, shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJvY657_73I

Charged with 9 counts murder, 1 count of gun possession

First court hearing, October 23 2 pm; Second court hearing Feb 5th 2016 9 am. His own words, he is  21 unemployed, criminal history, 2 charges drugs pending.

Many of the family members spoke. I understand why they said what they said. I figure in a case like his, he needs to be taken behind a barn sooner than later.

His bond was set at $1M.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 19, 2015, 12:34:06 PM
Okay, I was wrong.
It seems like Charleston is holding it together.
Lots of prayer vigils and gatherings.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 19, 2015, 12:36:00 PM
Okay, I was wrong.
It seems like Charleston is holding it together.
Lots of prayer vigils and gatherings.

Virginia on the other hand?
http://www.richmond.com/news/local/city-of-richmond/article_8764390a-079c-530a-9ee0-11c58084ec5f.html

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TexDaddy on June 19, 2015, 12:56:59 PM
Virginia on the other hand?
http://www.richmond.com/news/local/city-of-richmond/article_8764390a-079c-530a-9ee0-11c58084ec5f.html (http://www.richmond.com/news/local/city-of-richmond/article_8764390a-079c-530a-9ee0-11c58084ec5f.html)

Cedar
Well, one jerk showing up to beat on the door of a church who was arrested without incident does not indicated much other than a wannabe copycat. Yes, so far Virginia is holding it together.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Max on June 19, 2015, 01:28:24 PM
Well, one jerk showing up to beat on the door of a church who was arrested without incident does not indicated much other than a wannabe copycat. Yes, so far Virginia is holding it together.

Let's just hope that copycats don't attack on this up coming Sunday. There are a lot of sickos in the world.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 19, 2015, 01:56:45 PM
Let's just hope that copycats don't attack on this up coming Sunday. There are a lot of sickos in the world.

This is what I was afraid of and why I mentioned the Virginia incident, especially when they were talkng about the copycats coming out soon, before the coroner even left scene .

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: David in MN on June 19, 2015, 02:02:38 PM
In the two photos above, they both have dead looking eyes.

In this photo he looks like the very Devil himself. This is the first look at Dylann Roof as he walks out of Shelby Police Department.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH0pRRbWsAAjhnt.jpg)

Cedar

I see tardive dyskinesia but then... This one seems to me to be plain old insane.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 19, 2015, 02:13:21 PM
I was watching him on live feed yesterday and today. I think he is very lucid, I think he had an agenda and he willingly acted on it. There should not ever be an insanity plea for this guy. Today he seemed more subdued, but yesterday he was sucking all the attention up, and even looked a bit like he was gloating.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 19, 2015, 03:34:43 PM
AKA: Charles Manson
All that's missing is the swastika on his forehead.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on June 19, 2015, 05:50:45 PM
Dylann Roof bragged about plans to "kill a bunch of people"......

The 21-year-old alleged hatemonger posed for a Facebook photo wearing a black jacket adorned with the South African flag flown during the apartheid era and a second patch bearing the flag of Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe.  Both patches are symbols of white supremacy groups, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

(http://l.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/9nrUbAzq5P1IVIdp5EEXEQ--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NTE5O3E9OTU7dz03ODA-/https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/dylan-storm-roof-facebook-photo.jpg)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 19, 2015, 06:35:24 PM
I must agree, but it doesn't stop there.  We as parents must be responsible for so much more.  So many parents shouldn't be parents at all.


I wholeheartedly agree.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 20, 2015, 06:18:38 AM
An overt, political act of violence.  Sounds like terrorism to me.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 20, 2015, 10:41:30 AM
An overt, political act of violence.  Sounds like terrorism to me.


Especially when he tells the police he was trying to start a race war.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on June 20, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
The story continues to evolve.  The most recent I heard on the radio and also on news links reportedly from info. contained in the police report is that the confessed killer purchased the firearm himself, through a licensed firearms dealer, with money his parents gave him for his birthday.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/420032/charleston-shooting-police-report-shooter-bought-gun-at-store

So, in my opinion, it would suggest that there was a problem with the NICS background checking system in that it may not be efficiently up to date.  Possibly municipal or state crime reporting is not promptly integrated into the NICS.

On another note, this is a good time for those who attend houses of worship that do not have a well trained and armed security team in place to consider calling a meeting with your minister/pastor and church leadership to address the topic in a serious manner.  We've had plenty of attacks upon churches in this country's recent history and there is no reason to believe that it cannot happen at your house of worship. Pastors are shepherds who have a responsibility to look after the safety of their congregation/sheep.

One pastor's opinion who is one of us in the preparedness community: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyfwNCH7CiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri3Cch7ZNCk






Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 20, 2015, 11:50:36 AM
An excellent outreach activity for any CCW instructors out there might be to offer to teach a free course to parishioners of predominantly African American churches in pursuit of a church security program.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on June 20, 2015, 12:15:54 PM
An excellent outreach activity for any CCW instructors out there might be to offer to teach a free course to parishioners of predominantly African American churches in pursuit of a church security program.

It has been about 8 yrs. to the month since the church shootings in Colorado Springs, CO.  Murray was stopped that day because an armed security team was in place.  Lives were saved.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 20, 2015, 02:13:16 PM
I know of a lot of churches with armed security plans. Obviously, more could use them.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 20, 2015, 02:58:04 PM
Yup.. he has an agenda and he had planned it out for at least 6 months.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/20/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/index.html

"The writer said he was "not raised in a racist environment." But the 2012 shooting of Trayvon Martin -- the black Florida teen whose shooting death at the hands of George Zimmerman, who was acquitted of murder, provoked huge protests -- prompted him to research online what he called "black on white crime." (Wasn't that a black guy killed by a Hispanic guy? - Cedar)

"In a statement, Benjamin Crump, lead attorney for Martin's family, said "it is not uncommon for those who commit unspeakable acts of violence to blame their heinous behavior on the actions of others. Regardless of how this demented, racist individual attempts to shift the focus of his murderous actions, we will remain steadfast in our defense of the voiceless around this country," the statement said. "They need it now more than ever."

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 20, 2015, 06:02:03 PM
"In a statement, Benjamin Crump, lead attorney for Martin's family, said "it is not uncommon for those who commit unspeakable acts of violence to blame their heinous behavior on the actions of others. Regardless of how this demented, racist individual attempts to shift the focus of his murderous actions, we will remain steadfast in our defense of the voiceless around this country," the statement said. "They need it now more than ever."


Honestly, it's like the people over the centuries and in the present who were supposedly religiously motivated.  It's not usually that the religion motivates them to do it, it's that they got it in their heads that they wanted to do it, then found a theology, philosophy or political view that agreed (or at least tolerated) what they wanted to do.


Any excuse to justify their actions, at least in their own heads.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 20, 2015, 06:08:55 PM
Salem witch trials, the governor thought he interpreted scripture correctly, it wasn't until three ministers corrected him when they found out about the witch trials.
As famous as they are, the Salem witch trials only lasted about a week.
Once the governor was shown the error of his ways, the trials (and killings) stopped.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 20, 2015, 06:50:40 PM
Salem witch trials, the governor thought he interpreted scripture correctly, it wasn't until three ministers corrected him when they found out about the witch trials.
As famous as they are, the Salem witch trials only lasted about a week.
Once the governor was shown the error of his ways, the trials (and killings) stopped.

it was a lot longer than that.  http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/salem/ASAL_CH.HTM

love The Heretic's Daughter by Kathleen Kent  http://www.kathleenkent.com/books/the-heretics-daughter/.  It is about her 10th generation grandmother, Martha Carrier.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 20, 2015, 07:21:14 PM
Quote
June 2, 1692: Bridget Bishop is the first to be tried and convicted of witchcraft. She is sentenced to die.
May 1693: Phipps pardons those still in prison on witchcraft charges.
Still about a year...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 20, 2015, 08:54:41 PM
What is the deal with basketball courts in Detroit? This is like the 4th one this year?

17 minutes ago:
-  MASS SHOOTING: 10 shot, at least 1 dead on basketball court on Detroit's west side. The shooting which allegedly occurred on a basketball court near the intersection of Dexter and Tuxedo on Detroit’s west side happened shortly before 9 p.m. Saturday.

These do not get alot of media attention. Are these outdoor courts? Indoor? I think the last one was indoor. Gang related which is why they do not get alot of media coverage?

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 20, 2015, 09:00:34 PM
4 minutes ago:
ANOTHER MASS SHOOTING
-Man opens fire in West Philadelphia, at least 7 shot. A gunman toting a shotgun opened fire on a block party along a West Philadelphia street Saturday night leaving seven people, including a 2-year-old and 10-year-old, hurt. The gunfire rang out around 10 p.m. along the 4100 block of Ogden Street, said Philadelphia Police. Both children were rushed to Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia in critical condition. (more details coming)

- "It looks like they just drove up in a vehicle, then started randomly firing down the street and hit anyone in their way," said Philadelphia Police Lt. John Walker. (THEY? - Cedar)

- The rest of the victims ranged between 15 to 25 years old and were sent to Presbyterian Hospital also in critical condition, said investigators.

- Shooter at large.


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on June 21, 2015, 05:59:00 AM
What is the deal with basketball courts in Detroit? This is like the 4th one this year?

These do not get alot of media attention. Are these outdoor courts? Indoor? I think the last one was indoor. Gang related which is why they do not get alot of media coverage?

Cedar

The power of gangs flows from the War on Drugs. Basketball courts play a role in inner city life and provide a prime location for drug sales. Shootings will occur where gangs know their rivals congregate and can disrupt income/steal territory.

They don't get a lot of media attention because they don't fit the narrative. We had several school shootings outside of or near high schools in my inner-city area while I attended. Because they were gang-related, they never made national news and the local barely mentioned them, if at all, over the years. Although I don't consider gang warfare as mass shootings either if mass shootings includes events like  Aurora, Newton, or this latest church one.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 21, 2015, 06:29:29 AM
Although I don't consider gang warfare as mass shootings either if mass shootings includes events like  Aurora, Newton, or this latest church one.

I dont consider gang shootings a 'mass shooting' either, but I did not know what this was at the time. If a mod wants to delete it, go for it. I am wondering if the block party was gang related as well then?

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 21, 2015, 06:58:43 AM
I dont consider gang shootings a 'mass shooting' either, but I did not know what this was at the time. If a mod wants to delete it, go for it. I am wondering if the block party was gang related as well then?

Cedar

In this case, it sounds like one of two scenarios - either the block party was gang related and a rival gang saw an opportunity to get a bunch of them at once, or the guys in the car were doing a gang initiation and the people at the block party had nothing at all to do with it.


On a side note, several (20+?) years ago we had an uptick in the number of drive-by shootings, always targeting gang member houses.  They were just shooting into the houses without anyone even being outside.  Turns out it was a cop doing the shooting, and he (rightly) assumed no one would question what looked from the outside to be rival warfare.  Not cool.


I don't count it as a "mass shooting" if it's ongoing warfare, but on the other hand, you don't really know until the shooter, victim, and motive are revealed.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on June 21, 2015, 07:53:27 AM
I dont consider gang shootings a 'mass shooting' either, but I did not know what this was at the time. If a mod wants to delete it, go for it. I am wondering if the block party was gang related as well then?

Cedar

Definitely wasn't directed at you Cedar, sorry if I gave that impression. I just meant in general, not about the appropriateness of this thread. It actually is in an issue in the larger sense because the FBI includes gang related shootings in their mass shooter reports. Gun grabbers jump on increases in this mass shooter report without disclosing that the vast majority are gang related and not the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents. On a related note, the vast majority of so called "child death by firearms" are 15-19 year old gang bangers and this isn't disclosed either in anti-propaganda.

It sounds right for the block party to be gang related too based on the description.







Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nelson96 on June 21, 2015, 08:20:02 AM
To Obama's point, in his world, their probably aren't mass killings in other parts of the world, related to gangs either.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 21, 2015, 09:28:00 AM
Gang members have families also. While many attendees are likely to be aware of their relative's affiliations, most are likely not otherwise involved.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Tyler Durden on July 02, 2015, 06:46:30 AM
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/2015/07/02/navy-yard-shooting/29607377/

Another one.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 02, 2015, 07:31:24 AM
DC Navy Yard This is the site of a 2013 shooting in which a gunman killed 12 people. MilitaryTimes has learned that the incident is unfolding in Building 197.
LIVE FEED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaqwpDvWrFw

4 minutes ago:
Officials say 1st sweep of Navy Yard finds no evidence of shooter; SWAT doing 2nd sweep as precaution

This was probably not helping
http://www.wjactv.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/bulletin-warns-heightened-threat-isis-attack-july-4th-6569.shtml

1 minute ago:
A federal official says Navy security has seen surveillance video of two people jumping the fence in the vicinity of a building where gunfire was reported on the Washington Navy Yard campus. The official said Thursday that the video showed the two jumping the fence a couple of minutes before the first report of the shots.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI6XuEtVEAA0UAu.jpg)

UPDATE:  Multiple local news outlets now reporting that Navy Yard incident was false alarm

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 02, 2015, 08:02:38 AM
UPDATE: "All Clear" has been given for Navy Yard

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Tyler Durden on July 02, 2015, 09:16:19 AM
Now that we know that nobody was hurt, I would like to point out that I had 45 minutes on Cedar with this post!   ;)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 02, 2015, 10:19:23 AM
Now that we know that nobody was hurt, I would like to point out that I had 45 minutes on Cedar with this post!   ;)

 ;D And a good job too!

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: flippydidit on July 02, 2015, 10:22:47 AM
I surmise she orchestrated the entire false alarm just to break a story before Cedar. We're on to you Shirley Temple!   ::)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 02, 2015, 05:49:07 PM
News just coming in now:
Active Shooter Reported At Mall In N.C. Cross Creek Mall

Update:
1 Detained, Police Searching For 2nd Gunman At NC Mall

Second Update:
Man With AR-15 & Multiple Magazines Apprehended At Mall In N.C.


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 03, 2015, 11:14:05 AM
Another false alarm for the False Creek Mall incident.
Turns out it was a Ft. Bragg soldier who decided it was a bright idea to go the a mall decked out with full battle gear for a photo shoot.

He was charged with; "going armed to the terror of the public." I never heard of that one.

http://www.fayobserver.com/news/local/bragg-soldier-charged-with-going-armed-to-the-terror-of/article_d8106614-817d-508d-bb1b-ef680a09e803.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 03, 2015, 11:26:23 AM
Another false alarm for the False Creek Mall incident.
Turns out it was a Ft. Bragg soldier who decided it was a bright idea to go the a mall decked out with full battle gear for a photo shoot.

He was charged with; "going armed to the terror of the public." I never heard of that one.

http://www.fayobserver.com/news/local/bragg-soldier-charged-with-going-armed-to-the-terror-of/article_d8106614-817d-508d-bb1b-ef680a09e803.html
The soldiers of the 82nd are fit, brave and motivated...but jumping out of airplanes for a living does not necessarily select for "smart."  :D
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: ncjeeper on July 03, 2015, 11:42:51 AM
He was charged with; "going armed to the terror of the public." I never heard of that one.
That law was passed to combat the problems we were having with motorcycle gangs back in the 70"s & 80"s.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: trekker111 on July 03, 2015, 08:37:53 PM
The soldiers of the 82nd are fit, brave and motivated...but jumping out of airplanes for a living does not necessarily select for "smart."  :D

I had one a year ago who decided to slide away from Bragg in violation of orders, come here, his home town. Get completely hammered and try to run his wife over with his truck. He cussed out a passerby who stopped to ask if everything was OK. When the guy asked what the problem was, drunk Sgt from the 82nd jumps out of his jacked up pick-up while ripping his shirt open and yelling "AIRBORNE MFer" then runs, jumps through the guys window, and bites his finger off. The guy was able to get to a knife and cut Sgt on the back of the neck. Then Sgt while sitting in the ER getting stitched up has the audacity to play the "Y'all have the nerve to arrest me after all the things I do for this country" card, while in the presence of 64 years combined military service amongst the officers, and the victim.

Unfortunately, the 82nd has seen a lot of deployments since 9/11 and there are a lot of those guys who haven't received the support, and decompression, they need to get their screws tightened back down. The Sgt in the above incident recently returned from deployment #4, and had just been notified of a possible #5.

I've seen a lot of references to LE not hiring veterans like they used too, both here and other online communities, but sadly the reason for that is many combat vets don't pass the psychological tests to be a LEO.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 06, 2015, 10:02:35 AM
Possible Active Shooter at Walter Reed Hospital.
Reports of a single shot being heard on the hospital grounds.
Police and security are investigating.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 06, 2015, 10:39:41 AM
Walter Reed Military Medical Center still in lockdown. Some staffers escorted out with hands raised.
https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/618088790792478720
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 06, 2015, 12:54:41 PM
"no indication of any kind that there was a shooting" at Walter Reed, though search continues...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 09:31:24 AM
2 minutes ago:
- "Active shooter" incident at the naval reserve center in Chattanooga. CNN
- There has been an officer-involved shooting at the Navy and Marine Corps Reserve Ctr. on Amnicola Highway in Chattanooga.
- Chattanooga Mayor Andy Berke confirms one officer has been shot at an incident at TN Riverpark
- Naval Reserve in Chattanooga - an officer has been shot. SWAT responding.
- A Binswanger glass employee nearby confirms to NewsChannel 9 that police told him that they are working on investigating an "active shooter" in the area.
- A student at Chattanooga State has confirmed to NewsChannel 9 that the school has been locked down.
- Police shut down Amnicola Highway and officers were redirecting traffic from the area.
- NewsChannel 9's Drew Bollea is near the scene, near the Coca-Cola plant. Drew reports that he heard about a half-dozen shots in rapid succession.
- Bollea says he has seen almost thirty emergency vehicles heading to the area, including Chattanooga Police, Hamiton County Emergency Vehicles, and Hamilton County Sheriff's office vehicles.
- Bollea says he saw numerous officers with rifles and guns drawn. He later saw ambulances leaving the scene.
- Main Campus Of Chattanooga State Community College On Lockdown.
- Earlier (sp? mishearing) Hospital downtown is under lockdown

LIVE FEED http://www.newschannel9.com/news/features/live-news/popOut.shtml

SCANNERS
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/14470
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/14478

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 10:15:40 AM
Update:
- Multiple people shot
- Multiple shooting locations (4-5 locations by my reckoning)
- There has been a separate shooting at 6219 Lee Hwy. in Chattanooga. One person was shot in the leg in that incident (verified)
- Another shooting at Navy recruitment center (half verified)

- There has been a shooting at Chattanooga State Community College in Tennessee, the school said on its website on Thursday. - Reuters (CONFIRMED --- and it is not hitting the news yet)
https://www.chattanoogastate.edu/


- Bradly Square Mall in Cleveland, TN also on lockdown. Possible incident (Update: lockdown was cautionary)
- Lee University on lockdown
- Erlanger Hospital on lockdown

UPDATE: Eye witnesses say man in silver mustang shot at multiple locations around naval reserve centre in Chattanooga. At Lee, witness said gunman shot off ~30 rounds

UPDATE: Navy now confirms shooting at Navy Reserve center in Chattanooga, Tennessee

There are at least 5-6 scenes now?
1. Amnicola Hwy (confirmed)
2. Lee Hwy (confirmed)
3. Chattanooga State Community College (confirmed)
4. Navy Reserve center (confirmed)
5. Erlanger Hospital  (unconfirmed)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on July 16, 2015, 10:40:51 AM
post deleted....beat by Cedar News Network again.   ;D
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 10:41:43 AM
- A no-fly zone being implemented in Chattanooga, Tennessee, after reports of an active shooter. TV crews are being asked for assistance via air to locate shooter.

UPDATE: (half confirmed, CBS confirmed, ) 4 U.S. Marines & 1 Police Officer Shot In Chattanooga, TN.

- All TN National Guard facilities on lock down as a precaution after Chattanooga shooting

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 16, 2015, 10:50:13 AM
- A no-fly zone being implemented in Chattanooga, Tennessee, after reports of an active shooter. TV crews are being asked for assistance via air to locate shooter.

Cedar
How can a news chopper assist when there is a no fly zone in place?
Someone's not coordinating...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 10:55:20 AM
How can a news chopper assist when there is a no fly zone in place?
Someone's not coordinating...

Police TENNESSEE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY made the no fly zone... and they are asking assistance from news choppers. Probably to keep drones, other aircraft and such out of the way for safety.

- DHS has been activated, FBI, ATF

At least 12 shots through window according to witness (looks like at least 24 to me)
(https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBhIaHR0cDovL3RyaWJrc3diLmZpbGVzLndvcmRwcmVzcy5jb20vMjAxNS8wNy9jaGF0YW5vb2dhc2hvb3RpbmcuanBnP3c9NjQwFMAHFKwNABYAEgA&s=bcd3XZTLbC3Aarj1-WZgesVyr64ZOC9yRAuDVINXIpQ)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKDQDUFUwAEXk5-.png)

Cedar (afk.. need to feed dog, deal with dog etc)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 11:10:37 AM
- Governor's Mansion In Nashville on Lockdown, War Memorial & Capitol Have Additional Security.
- (Confirmed) Four U.S. Marines, police officer shot at U.S. Naval Reserve Center in Chattanooga, Tennessee
http://www.cbs8.com/story/29564621/four-us-marines-police-officer-shot-at-us-naval-reserve-center-in-chattanooga-tennessee
- (Confirmed) ~10:50am Witness at Lee Hwy, saw white man in Silver Mustang with high powered rifle shooting. Casings at scene.


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 16, 2015, 11:11:49 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKDQDUFUwAEXk5-.png)




Apparently the "no gun" sign wasn't large enough.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 11:12:46 AM
Apparently the "no gun" sign wasn't large enough.

I totally missed that Smurf.. thank you.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 11:16:19 AM
These the ambulances and police arrive at Erlanger in Chattanooga. I am guessing 1 injured person per ambulance? And at least 1 for some other incident?

(http://media-cdn.timesfreepress.com/img/photos/2015/07/16/img201507161145514452898367_t1070_he2df12ee56051c314fe7dc6c5797ea27074ceb01.jpg)

- CBS is now reporting that Five were shot at Chattanooga recruiting facility.

- Five shot at Chattanooga recruiting facility.

- 2 minutes ago: Two gunshots just heard in woods off Amnicola Highway

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 11:20:36 AM
(UNCONFIRMED) Shooter in Chatanooga is dead. CPD Confirms Active Shooter Situation In Chattanooga Is Over.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 12:08:55 PM
**** Chattanooga shooting victims have required multiple units of blood. ***** They are calling for donors.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: DrJohn on July 16, 2015, 12:12:06 PM
Taking bets the shooter will have a Confederate battle flag on his person, have Bug eyes, just joined the NRA, is taking psychological drugs, and somehow passed his background check on his 1 week old rifle, even though he has prior felonies...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 12:23:20 PM
Taking bets the shooter will have a Confederate battle flag on his person, have Bug eyes, just joined the NRA, is taking psychological drugs, and somehow passed his background check on his 1 week old rifle, even though he has prior felonies...

The only thing which hit my radar was that the two current witnesses (one black woman; one white very slow talking man) were very calm, cool and collect. Both very articulate, and described the scene well.

It drives me kinda crazy that every time there is an incident like this, people jump to 'False Flag". Even if there are some FF, I cannot believe that ALL of these incidents are FF. But the witnesses did not seem normal to me, having been in media, and in the fire department getting info and talking to many witnesses to different types of events. People are pretty high adrenaline even with a car wreck, as a bystander witness.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 12:25:31 PM
UPDATE:
- 5 dead --- 4 military personnel, 1 gunman
- 3 injured

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on July 16, 2015, 02:09:54 PM
 :candle: :candle: :candle: :candle:   :'(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 02:11:46 PM
UPDATE:
- Police raiding shooters home in Hixson, Tennessee.
- Shooter believed to be a local
- [Confirmed) Chattanooga shooting suspect identified as Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, believed to be originally from Kuwait. (NBC) Age 24 (some sources saying age 41). The shooting suspect was identified to NBC by a senior federal official as Muhammah Youseef Abdulazeez, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Kuwait. Authorities said the 41-year-old gunman lived in the Chattanooga area recently, but CBS News reports that he is from Phoenix, Arizona.

His only available criminal record is a traffic ticket from 2013 in Maricopa County, Arizona. Public records show he has lived in Arizona since at least 2009. The tweet is similar to one sent out moments before two ISIS-inspired gunmen opened fire outside the “Draw Muhammad” event in Garland, Texas, in May.

The gunmen in the Texas shooting were also from the Phoenix, Arizona, area.

- A police officer, who was injured when he was shot in the ankle, has been treated at the hospital, Berke said. A Chattanooga police officer, identified as Dennis Pedigo was wounded during the chase, and is said to be in stable condition.

- The shooting started at 10:45am and ended within 30 minutes. The gunman fired 25 to 30 rounds at a military recruitment facility, a U.S. military official said. The gunman then drove about six miles to a Navy and Marines reserve center and opened fire there, officials said.

- Blood Assurance has send multiple units of blood to Erlanger; requesting donations to add those who've been injured, shot. The line is growing as people help those in need.

- An ISIS-related account tweeted “O American dogs soon YOU will see the wonders,” and used #Chattanooga, at 10:34 a.m., just about the same time police say the shooting began, according to JihadWatch.org.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKD13iiUcAEa8XW.jpg)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 16, 2015, 02:31:36 PM
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez.
Why am I not surprised...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 02:41:06 PM
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez.
Why am I not surprised...

All the witnesses said he was a white guy. Federal agents says he is a naturalized U.S. citizen from Kuwait. I was watching a cooking show from Iran and the middle east yesterday and there were many on there who could have passed as normal white americans.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 02:47:03 PM
My apologies.. I said Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez was a 'muslim' name. I am learning too... Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez is a ARABIC name, not necessarily a Muslim name.




From same Twitter account as the one a couple posts above. Is this the shooter? Anyone know what "KOFAR" means?
(http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-Shot-2015-07-16-at-3.50.57-PM-426x600.png)

Confirmed photo
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKEGzMKWgAAB927.png:small)


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 16, 2015, 02:53:04 PM
I think it means Atheist, unbeliever or godless.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 16, 2015, 02:59:10 PM
The recruiting facility was a "Gun Free Zone".

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKDveKEWIAAeYLw.jpg:large)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKDveKEWIAAeYLw.jpg:large
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 16, 2015, 03:02:28 PM
May be related, but two days ago it was announced ISIS "does not threaten us at home."
I'm guessing this was their answer.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/07/14/pentagon-no-2-says-isis-not-a-clear-and-present-danger-to-us.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 03:06:15 PM
Can anyone read this? This is his alleged Twitter Account (I am not convinced - his mole on his cheek is missing, unless it is someone he idolizes)
https://twitter.com/K_H_O7777777777

https://twitter.com/K_H_O7777777777/media
"Don't eat alot of sweets?"

Scroll down a bit more and see all the "X"'s and cities? Has anything happened in those countries with an "X" lately?

❌ SOON
SOON
SOON
#Berlin ❌
#merkelstreichelt
#ISIS
#Hennigsdorf
#Bachelorette
#newsrw
#Draghi
#Germany
#amsterdam ❌
#Netherlands
#Griekenlanddebat
#london ❌
#askboris



Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 03:25:02 PM
Obama is supposed to be speaking from the Oval Office in the near future about this event.
(So far he is not saying any more than I already posted)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 03:46:12 PM
Can anyone read this? This is his alleged Twitter Account (I am not convinced - his mole on his cheek is missing, unless it is someone he idolizes)
https://twitter.com/K_H_O7777777777

https://twitter.com/K_H_O7777777777/media
"Don't eat alot of sweets?"

Scroll down a bit more and see all the "X"'s and cities? Has anything happened in those countries with an "X" lately?

❌ SOON
SOON
SOON
#Berlin ❌ http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/breaking-now-isis-linked-islamist-account-tweets-about-chattanooga-shootings/
#merkelstreichelt
#ISIS
#Hennigsdorf
#Bachelorette
#newsrw
#Draghi
#Germany
#amsterdam ❌
#Netherlands
#Griekenlanddebat
#london ❌
#askboris



Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 05:48:16 PM
Update: US Navy Confirms Female Sailor Was Wounded & Is In Surgery.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 16, 2015, 06:14:38 PM
I think it means Atheist, unbeliever or godless.
pretty much, usually it is spelled kaffir or kafir in us translations.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 16, 2015, 07:40:35 PM
I am so very angry right now, especially after seeing the National Guard sign on the building.


And the irony is - I was coordinating meetings at work for an incredibly wonderful woman from Iraq today, complete with traditional head covering.  I kept waiting for someone to yell at her.  Thankfully, no one did.  She has nothing in common with people like this.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 16, 2015, 07:48:02 PM
Cedar, I have not heard of anything recently in Berlin, Amsterdam or London. It might be interesting if something does happen soon. I tried to look at the twitter account, but of course it was closed down.  I also notice a lot of the hashtags are not places but people, businesses and a TV show. And why is ISIS listed?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 07:52:02 PM
Cedar, I have not heard of anything recently in Berlin, Amsterdam or London. It might be interesting if something does happen soon. I tried to look at the twitter account, but of course it was closed down.  I also notice a lot of the hashtags are not places but people, businesses and a TV show. And why is ISIS listed?

#ISIS is listed so when people search for that term, they might come across this particular post on Twitter. It is not that ISIS will have an issue, it is that they are promoting 'the organization'. The reason I cut and pasted those cities was I was sure this account would be shut down soon, and I did not want to lose it. I found it minutes after I got his name, and it had not made MSM yet.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 16, 2015, 07:58:05 PM
Thank you for thinking so quickly. Good work +1
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Polar Bear on July 16, 2015, 07:58:34 PM
And the irony is - I was coordinating meetings at work for an incredibly wonderful woman from Iraq today, complete with traditional head covering.  I kept waiting for someone to yell at her.  Thankfully, no one did.  She has nothing in common with people like this.

And facts like this is what defeats ISIS.  They want us to paint all Arabs/Islamics with the broad brush of hate.  As long as we as a people focus on who is actually attacking us while supporting our fellow citizens we will defeat their false ideology.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2015, 08:06:42 PM
Maybe I am making a mistake, but I do not see ISIS and extremists like them as Muslims. I see them as an unreasonable cult, not much different than Branch Davidian, Heaven's Gate or People's Temple. They are just using the excuse of religion for their own agenda.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 16, 2015, 08:20:48 PM
Maybe I am making a mistake, but I do not see ISIS and extremists like them as Muslims. I see them as an unreasonable cult, not much different than Branch Davidian, Heaven's Gate or People's Temple. They are just using the excuse of religion for their own agenda.

Cedar


Exactly.  They're the Westboro Baptists extremes acting under the guise of other religions, just armed.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: never_retreat on July 16, 2015, 08:54:18 PM
SJS?
Sudden Jihad Syndrome
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Marinesg1012 on July 16, 2015, 09:20:04 PM
Ramadan is coming to an end (it ends tonight here but it all depends on the moon) Either way I guess you gain " more glory" if you commit jihad during ramadan and a lot of them wait till near the end of it to kick off attacks.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Marinesg1012 on July 17, 2015, 12:36:31 AM
Also does anyone else find it odd how much info we found know about the shooter in such a short amount of time? It seems weird they would know all this stuff if he wasnt on some sort of watch list or anything as they are currently trying to have us believe. I know you could google a lot of it but the immigration status and all that stuff seems pretty quick to come to the surface.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on July 17, 2015, 04:35:02 AM
Maybe I am making a mistake, but I do not see ISIS and extremists like them as Muslims. I see them as an unreasonable cult, not much different than Branch Davidian, Heaven's Gate or People's Temple. They are just using the excuse of religion for their own agenda.

Cedar


Exactly.  They're the Westboro Baptists extremes acting under the guise of other religions, just armed.



That seems to be the case for American Muslims but definitely isn't the case in predominately Muslim countries. Groups like ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc. enjoy widespread support, including majority support in many countries. I haven't vetted this list below but the numbers seem in line with similar surveys and reports I've viewed over the years. Such groups aren't considered extremist at all over there but rather command the support of wide swathes of the populations.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Wild Colonial Boy on July 17, 2015, 07:27:04 AM
I love statistics...I wonder what % of Americans or Westerners in general would support military operations in Muslim countries in order to destroy the likes of Daesh / AQ etc.  One mans Jihad is another mans Crusade!
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 17, 2015, 08:56:53 AM
That seems to be the case for American Muslims but definitely isn't the case in predominately Muslim countries.

The only ones I really know are Iranian Sunni Muslims, who live here. The one I know best "S" is 50-something and has lived here around 10 years, so is she an "American" one or an "Iranian" one? I would think her mentality would be leaning towards her mother country. She told me she wished Saddam was still in power. She said it was not great under him, but what he said would happen if he was out of the picture, is exactly what is happening now.

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I wonder what % of Americans or Westerners in general would support military operations in Muslim countries

If I supported military operations anywhere in the world, I would not be basing my opinion on it due to religious teachings of any kind. Having lived out of the country, having gone to school and lived amongst 16 different nations of people, I do so understand why Americans are hated worldwide.  Probably somewhat deserved. If I were to kill anyone ever in my life, it also would not be based on religious teachings.


The Chatanooga shooter yesterday, on his blog wrote, "The 24-year-old man accused of gunning down four Marines in Chattanooga, Tennessee, blogged on Monday that “life is short and bitter” and Muslims should not miss an opportunity to “submit to Allah,” according to an organization that tracks extremist groups."

Other poll I just came across without really looking for is
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/05/extremism-in-muslim-nations/
"62% of Jordanians said they were concerned about Islamic extremism in their country in our spring 2014 poll, up from 54% a year earlier. There were also increases in Lebanon, Tunisia, Egypt and Turkey."

(http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/02/FT_Extremism.Mideast2015.png)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 17, 2015, 10:05:24 AM
Notice that he did strike a military target.  This is a real and observable trend. The broken up Fort Dix plot was targeting US service members, Nadal Hassan struck at US service members.  There seems to be an attempt by many jihadist turds to strike US military targets even when it means they will kill less westerners than striking a populated civilian target.  Obviously there are exceptions (like say...9/11!) but there seems to be different kinds of jihadi running around.  None are good obviously, but there are differences and that movement is not monolithic.

So what to do about it?  Recruiters for instance, need to be approachable to do their jobs.  The two bastards in England that attacked the artilleryman with knives a while back targeted him off duty.  The attacks in Toulon France did the same.  Our military installations are much harder to get onto these days.  Many are using new access procedures that make it a LOT harder to get on post without some form of vetting and have undertaken much more stringent measures on post to minimize the damage.  But does that just push the potential attacker to conduct attacks off post or more public places like recruiting offices?  Arming service members and/or allowing more service members to be armed is better than nothing but I think that is more along the lines of doing the right thing than a measure that will save a readily measurable number of lives among what is still extremely rare occurances.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 17, 2015, 10:09:39 AM
Maybe I am making a mistake, but I do not see ISIS and extremists like them as Muslims. I see them as an unreasonable cult, not much different than Branch Davidian, Heaven's Gate or People's Temple. They are just using the excuse of religion for their own agenda.

Cedar

While I understand where you're coming from, it doesn't matter what we think of ISIS.
They see themselves as Muslim, and that's enough for them.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 17, 2015, 10:14:28 AM
Also does anyone else find it odd how much info we found know about the shooter in such a short amount of time? It seems weird they would know all this stuff if he wasnt on some sort of watch list or anything as they are currently trying to have us believe. I know you could google a lot of it but the immigration status and all that stuff seems pretty quick to come to the surface.

That's because he fits the profile of a muslim extremist.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on July 17, 2015, 10:24:57 AM
The only ones I really know are Iranian Sunni Muslims, who live here. The one I know best "S" is 50-something and has lived here around 10 years, so is she an "American" one or an "Iranian" one? I would think her mentality would be leaning towards her mother country. She told me she wished Saddam was still in power. She said it was not great under him, but what he said would happen if he was out of the picture, is exactly what is happening now.

I saw great documentary on Netflix, called The Iran Job, about an American basketball player who was recently recruited to play in Iran. It gave a great view inside the Iranian culture and the clashes between the younger generation and the old guard. It's worth checking out.


Other poll I just came across without really looking for is
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/05/extremism-in-muslim-nations/
"62% of Jordanians said they were concerned about Islamic extremism in their country in our spring 2014 poll, up from 54% a year earlier. There were also increases in Lebanon, Tunisia, Egypt and Turkey."

Cedar

That's an interesting poll. The question though is what do the respondents consider "Islamic Extremism" because it could be very different from what we label extremism. For example, executing homosexuals for simply existing or not allowing women to drive is not an extreme view in Muslim countries but is one that I should very much hope we would consider as an example of Islamic extremism. Their increasing concern could have nothing to do with slaughtering infidels and more that ISIS is banning cigarettes in areas they take over. First offense is to lose a hand and the second is death for smuggling.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 17, 2015, 10:49:00 AM
While I understand where you're coming from, it doesn't matter what we think of ISIS.
They see themselves as Muslim, and that's enough for them.

Yes.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 17, 2015, 10:52:23 AM
The four Marines have been identified:
Gunnery Sgt. Thomas Sullivan, 40, Iraq Veteran With A Purple Heart
Lance Cpl. Skip Wells, 21
Sgt. Carson Holmquist
Staff Sgt. David Wyatt

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 17, 2015, 11:18:49 AM
The four Marines have been identified:
Gunnery Sgt. Thomas Sullivan, 40, Iraq Veteran With A Purple Heart
Lance Cpl. Skip Wells, 21
Sgt. Carson Holmquist
Staff Sgt. David Wyatt

Cedar
Vale
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 17, 2015, 11:37:38 AM
Farewell indeed.

Semper Fi
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 17, 2015, 01:32:54 PM
...
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

I haven't tried to analyze all that info.  But even with the reputable polling services, you've got to look carefully at what they asked -- and what they didn't ask.

For example, there have been a number of polls (and subsequent overheated Fox News articles) on how many Muslims support violent attacks.  But what happens when you compare with other religions?  Here's some Gallup poll data from 2010, asked of US residents:

% who believe that it is “never” justified for “an individual person or a small group of persons to target and kill civilians”:
Muslims: 89%
Protestants & Catholics: 71%
Jews: 75%
Mormons: 79%
No religion/Atheist/Agnostic: 76%

So obviously, American Muslims are peace-loving and American Christians are homicidal, relatively speaking.  Do I believe this?  Heck, I dunno.  There are all sorts of reasons why people might have answered the way they did, and if you just grab this single poll result with no details or context, you can "prove" that Christians are scarier than Muslims.

Basically, I don't trust polls at all.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 17, 2015, 02:25:25 PM
I haven't tried to analyze all that info.  But even with the reputable polling services, you've got to look carefully at what they asked -- and what they didn't ask.

For example, there have been a number of polls (and subsequent overheated Fox News articles) on how many Muslims support violent attacks.  But what happens when you compare with other religions?  Here's some Gallup poll data from 2010, asked of US residents:

% who believe that it is “never” justified for “an individual person or a small group of persons to target and kill civilians”:
Muslims: 89%
Protestants & Catholics: 71%
Jews: 75%
Mormons: 79%
No religion/Atheist/Agnostic: 76%

So obviously, American Muslims are peace-loving and American Christians are homicidal, relatively speaking.  Do I believe this?  Heck, I dunno.  There are all sorts of reasons why people might have answered the way they did, and if you just grab this single poll result with no details or context, you can "prove" that Christians are scarier than Muslims.

Basically, I don't trust polls at all.

Sure.  Statistics are part of the problem.   Also, what is a civilian?  Would this include catching a child predator "in the act", stopping an armed robber? 
Even if all that is sorted out, approval or endorsement of something does not necessarily mean you would do it yourself. 

I recognize that this forum and the mods won't tolerate a discussion on it, but rather than look at polls or anecdotes, I look at religious doctrine. 
I encourage folks to research that outside the forum and reach your own conclusions, and of course keep your findings offline.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 17, 2015, 03:39:43 PM
NOT ACTIVE! But looks suspicious

1 hour ago:
- NYPD SEARCHING FOR 4 MEN AND 1 FEMALE WITH POSSIBLE M16 RIFLES.

22 minutes ago:
- STATEN ISLAND: - People seen with rifles
-  NYPD search for 2 vans NJ plates A83FCB & PSJ52V.

5 minutes ago:
- Armed officers set up checkpoints in search; traffic delays reported near Verrazano Bridge.

Scanner http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/9358/web

The photos were taken by a retired police officer Friday in the Midland Beach parking lot and show unknown individuals armed with what appear to be assault rifles, the sources said.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKJJpSNVAAAZqFX.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKJIfrkVEAERcU1.jpg)

(http://pzfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/b446721dae3c3fe1-300x174.jpg)

(https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBg9aHR0cDovL255b29ic2VydmVyLmZpbGVzLndvcmRwcmVzcy5jb20vMjAxNS8wNy9ib2xvLnBuZz93PTY0MBTABxSyBwAWABIA&s=rnmxFerHflfymYYUig6kUrls_ZF9DMgHABa0YhE7d3Q)

- Outerbridge has closed as BOLO is issued for possible terrorists on Staten Island

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on July 17, 2015, 03:50:08 PM
Cedar, you are inhumanely fast with these. Thanks for the alerts.

Any idea how the images were alerted on by the NYPD so quickly? Monitored surveillance feed? The stances in the second pic doesn't really strike me as a family on their way to a range.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 17, 2015, 04:12:56 PM
Just now:
- Stanton Island police report over scanner.. "Incident of the possible terrorist threats are still under active investigation, by law enforcement, all units shall remain under heightened state of alert and are still under active alert"

- Rescue and special rescue units have been released. 6:11pm their time

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 17, 2015, 04:18:45 PM
Cedar, you are inhumanely fast with these. Thanks for the alerts.

Any idea how the images were alerted on by the NYPD so quickly? Monitored surveillance feed? The stances in the second pic doesn't really strike me as a family on their way to a range.

This is why I kinda giggled about some TSP member (no offense meant) who said that the media got onto some of this info so fast. I was in media, so I know alot of the sourced to go to, and I am sure there are more way cooler sources these days. I am slow compared to the media. But I am still fairly fast as I have muscle memory on where to look from a few years of doing the exact same thing they are. I use the most I can out of my limited resource. I had actually just gotten home after being gone for the last many hours, but I came online to check my messages and found it. When I find the first 'event' to look for, then I start scrambling looking. But you are welcome.

The images were taken by a retired police officer. And I did post them as they did not look like a family out for an afternoon stroll. Police are saying they 'could be paintball guns' or high powered rifles... I left that part off to see if any of you military or gun experts would know what these looked like.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 17, 2015, 04:22:35 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nypd-on-alert-after-photo-purportedly-shows-armed-woman/

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...Late Friday afternoon, police said there was likely no threat.

"As part of the ongoing investigation, NYPD firearms experts conducted a forensic examination of the photographs," police said in a statement The preliminary opinion of these experts was that the weapons in the pictures strongly resemble replicas of firearms used in 'paintball' games.

The statement went on to say, "Interviews conducted by NYPD and FBI investigators in New Jersey have revealed that the registered owner of one of the vehicles indicated that he was planning to go paintball shooting with friends today."...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 17, 2015, 04:25:47 PM
According to the scanners just now, they are still on high alert there. So they might not be 100% convinced they are paintball guns

JUST OVER THE SCANNER
- A news station has just been evacuated, police heading towards the scene.
- Bolo bridge has a fire on it, 2nd brigade responding. (Isn't this the bridge they just opened)
- Gridlock due to all the closures they just had to get to the fire

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 17, 2015, 05:04:12 PM
The picture is of the gal (I think) holding the AR at the low ready.  The AR looks a little funny. While its hard to say for sure, it looks to be SBR length (a little unusual and potentially illegal) and the distance from the gas port/front sight assembly to the muzzle is a bit short.  They are awfully cavalier in public observation if they were illegal weapons. 
I think they are absolutely right to treat it seriously and would not be surprised if they turn out to be terrorists or terrorist affiliated,  but would not be shocked at all to find they are airsoft guns either.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 17, 2015, 05:06:23 PM
FINAL UPDATE: NYPD Confirm That Driver Intended To Go Paintballing With Friends.



Glad it was a false alarm. Holy Cow, you would think someone with half a brain would put those paintball guns in a case or something,

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 17, 2015, 06:15:06 PM
Notice that he did strike a military target.  This is a real and observable trend.


I've been getting a lot more "lay low and don't be obvious about being a military family" alerts than I did a couple of years ago.  A lot more.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 17, 2015, 06:53:27 PM
Yesterday's Chattanooga shooter tried to work at a nuclear plant. Abdulazeez worked for the power plant from May 20 to May 30, 2013, but failed FirstEnergy's screening process to continue. It was before he went to the middle east however to visit an uncle 'and came back changed'.
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/07/tennessee_gunman_tried_to_work.html

I can only imagine ....

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Bonnieblue2A on July 18, 2015, 07:01:47 AM
It is being reported that one of the three injured initial survivors, a Navy sailor, has now died.  This brings the victim death toll to 5.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/18/sailor-in-chattanooga-shooting-has-died-death-toll-now-5/

:candle:

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 18, 2015, 07:47:38 AM
It is being reported that one of the three injured initial survivors, a Navy sailor, has now died.  This brings the victim death toll to 5.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/18/sailor-in-chattanooga-shooting-has-died-death-toll-now-5/

:candle:
Fair winds and following seas, sailor.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 18, 2015, 07:56:46 AM
The 5th..
"Relative earlier identified the one sailor injured in the attack as Randall Smith. Smith, a logistics specialist, was shot in the liver, colon and stomach, according to his grandmother, Linda Wallace."

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 21, 2015, 06:39:21 PM
Rumors that a 9mm Glock was recovered from the scene of the second shooting that is not believed to be the gunmen's. One of the deceased Marine's may have been armed. Another reason to go ahead and figure out how to do carry for service members, some are already doing it at variance with military regulations and federal law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/marine-in-chattanooga-shooting-might-have-been-armed-officials-say/2015/07/20/1787a027-bbc4-429b-a8cc-9730d73b96a4_story.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 21, 2015, 06:47:28 PM
And gets wilder...

Possibly two personnel including one of the deceased Marines and the officer commanding the facility may have engaged the gunmen with their personally owned weapons.

 http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/07/21/sources-navy-officer-marine-shot-chattanooga-gunman/30426817/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 21, 2015, 07:53:24 PM
Interesting, but not surprising, development in the last couple of days.

Armed veteran guards Las Vegas Recruiting Center - Fox5 Vegas
http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/29600334/armed-veteran-guards-las-vegas-recruiting-center (http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/29600334/armed-veteran-guards-las-vegas-recruiting-center)


"Armed with a loaded shotgun and a .40-caliber handgun, a Las Vegas Marine veteran took it upon himself to stand guard outside of a military recruiting office.By Tuesday, Dan Michaels spent three days openly carrying his firearms outside the armed forces recruiting center on Maryland Parkway, near the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. He cited the deadly shooting that took place last week at a Chattanooga, TN, recruiting center as his reason for standing guard.  'I can have an open-carry. So, it just makes sense,' Michaels said. 'I'm not going to let [recruiters] sit there and just be targets.' "

Since it's Nevada, then it's perfectly legal to open carry, and there's not a snowball's chance that the recruiter is going to tell the vet to take a hike.  According to the article:


"The Las Vegas recruiters were not authorized to talk to FOX5 on camera. However, some said they feel the 'gun-free zone' puts lives at risk.  In addition, the recruiters at the military center dealt with someone shattering the building's windows at least twice in recent months."
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Marinesg1012 on July 21, 2015, 08:05:14 PM
it would not surprise me to know some of them were armed, it would be even better twist if they killed the guy before the cops arrived.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on July 21, 2015, 08:22:12 PM
Interesting, but not surprising, development in the last couple of days.

Armed veteran guards Las Vegas Recruiting Center - Fox5 Vegas
http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/29600334/armed-veteran-guards-las-vegas-recruiting-center (http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/29600334/armed-veteran-guards-las-vegas-recruiting-center)


"Armed with a loaded shotgun and a .40-caliber handgun, a Las Vegas Marine veteran took it upon himself to stand guard outside of a military recruiting office.By Tuesday, Dan Michaels spent three days openly carrying his firearms outside the armed forces recruiting center on Maryland Parkway, near the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. He cited the deadly shooting that took place last week at a Chattanooga, TN, recruiting center as his reason for standing guard.  'I can have an open-carry. So, it just makes sense,' Michaels said. 'I'm not going to let [recruiters] sit there and just be targets.' "

Since it's Nevada, then it's perfectly legal to open carry, and there's not a snowball's chance that the recruiter is going to tell the vet to take a hike.  According to the article:


"The Las Vegas recruiters were not authorized to talk to FOX5 on camera. However, some said they feel the 'gun-free zone' puts lives at risk.  In addition, the recruiters at the military center dealt with someone shattering the building's windows at least twice in recent months."


There was also a similar story in VA.
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29573755/man-armed-guard-recruiting-office (http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29573755/man-armed-guard-recruiting-office)

Quote
Man armed with AR-15 stands guard at Virginia military recruiting offices
By Emily Miller, FOX 5 Chief Investigative Reporter

WINCHESTER, Va. - The horrific murder of four Marines in Chattanooga showed the vulnerability of military recruitment centers. They are in public locations, and by law, they are “gun free zones” -- meaning the military that are there are not allowed to carry their weapons.

As the country realized the Marines that were killed were unarmed at the recruiting center, people have started showing up to provide security.

At 8 a.m. Friday morning, one man decided to spend his day off standing guard outside of a military recruitment center in Winchester, Virginia.

...

The military has been grateful for the symbolic support.

“I went into each office, the ones that were open, and I was received with handshakes and thank yous,” he said. “They constantly came by, and not only them, but their wives came by in tears thanking me for just being out here. They baked cookies for me and brought lunch by.”

You don't need a permit to openly carry guns in Virginia.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 21, 2015, 08:28:26 PM
We will see what comes of it, The Army/Navy/Air Force Times does not have a great reputation for accuracy, especially when things are breaking.  None of the major networks have picked it up last I saw.

I sincerely hope to discover that someone on the site ended it.  That would be a better deterrence than all the police response in the world.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Marinesg1012 on July 21, 2015, 08:35:20 PM
There were people standing in front of NH's recruiting station as well. There is a couple of different veterans groups out there standing watch

I of course feel there are better ways to represent yourself, you don't need to be fully kitted up with your long gun and drop holster. You could just as easily be in long pants, appropriate footwear, have your pistol and mags hidden by a collard shirt and a long gun either slung or in a vehicle. Which is what I would do, park in a strategic location, walk into the station unarmed, let them know what the plan is and the purpose of my visit. ID my vehicle for them and then go back and sit.

However this is the current response from the Army:
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=60950
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 22, 2015, 06:46:11 PM

I agree.  I'm not a fan of showing all my cards.  It takes away the element of surprise and some people see it as an invitation to challenge you.

I of course feel there are better ways to represent yourself, you don't need to be fully kitted up with your long gun and drop holster. You could just as easily be in long pants, appropriate footwear, have your pistol and mags hidden by a collard shirt and a long gun either slung or in a vehicle.


In my state, concealed carry requires a permit.  Open carry doesn't.  So sometimes people open carry when they haven't gotten around to getting their permit.



Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 22, 2015, 07:21:00 PM
 I think business casual dress with a slung rifle or holstered pistol is as overt as I'd want in this context.

You want to show force but don't invite mockery from antigun folks because you look like CallOfDuty
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 22, 2015, 07:49:33 PM
I think business casual dress with a slung rifle or holstered pistol is as overt as I'd want in this context.

You want to show force but don't invite mockery from antigun folks because you look like CallOfDuty


Exactly.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 23, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
*** JUST NOW***

- Shooting at Louisiana movie theater.
- 2 people dead
- 6 injured
- There has been a shooting at the Grand 16 movie theater, the address is 3141 Johnston St, Lafayette, LA 70503.
- City Marshal Brian Pope has confirmed for The Daily Advertiser that six people were injured in a shooting Thursday night at the Grand Theatre.
- The shooter then turned the gun on himself, Pope said, and is dead.
- Witness said, "She saw “an older white man” standing up and shooting down, not in her direction."

Update: Theater is being examined for possible explosive devices.


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 23, 2015, 08:27:52 PM
Update:
- 2 dead (some say 3)
- 9 injured, at least 8 shot
- Lafayette Police Chief on CBS: "We don't know the number of fatalities yet."

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 23, 2015, 08:53:40 PM
Update:
- Confirmed 3 dead, 9 injured, 3 critical
- Theater Gunman Was 'Lone White Male' Aged 58, No Motive Yet. Was a patron. ID known

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 23, 2015, 09:55:52 PM
Update:
- Lafayette police investigating suspicious package in the area of the theater. (They were looking for this before, so something must have said they should be looking for one)

LIVE FEED http://www.wwltv.com/videos/news/local/2015/06/22/15371877/

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on July 24, 2015, 06:07:30 AM
What a mess. That's why I get my popcorn at home.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 24, 2015, 08:16:03 AM
Update:

- Victims Who Lost Their Lives Have Been Identified As Mayci Breaux, 21 & Jillian Johnson, 33
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKrrF9cWgAAkpdt.jpg)


Cedar
PS I don't feel like putting the shooters name down at this time
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 24, 2015, 10:22:00 AM
Update:
- John Russel Houser. Police have identified Houser as the gunman who opened fire in a movie theater yesterday.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKsRszXUcAAAsSK.jpg)

He is outside the 'normal mold', but he did have a history of mental issues.
- 59 years old
- A drifter, living at Motel 6 since early July. He did not know anyone in town other than an uncle that died 35 yrs ago
- Was running away, but police trapped him and he committed suicide
- Member of Tea Party
- Authorities searching Houser's hotel room and vehicle found wigs, glasses and other apparent disguises. And he'd swapped out the license plates on his Lincoln Continental, parking it right outside an exit door to the Grand 16

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 24, 2015, 07:02:14 PM
*** New one***

~ 6pm LA time
- Gunman is shot, killed by police in busy shopping district of Los Angeles
- Gunman who opens fire in Studio City is fatally shot by LAPD officers
- Hundreds sheltering in place as officers swarmed the area.
- Ventura and Laurel Canyon boulevards are closed.
- Man in his 40s or 50s with curly hair wearing a black jacket and holding a gun
- He sat on a bench or raised planter outside Union Bank.
- A metal cylinder – it looked like a coffee container – and black briefcase were on the ground near the man. Robots detonated both. The bomb squad arrived on the scene to deal with items apparently belonging to the man.

- At this time, it looks like only the gunman was shot. But unconfirmed. He did fire multiple shots.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 24, 2015, 07:13:56 PM
Is this even possibly true?
"Louisiana theater shooting was America's 204th mass shooting in 204 days in 2015."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/24/there-have-been-204-mass-shootings-and-204-days-in-2015-so-far/

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 24, 2015, 07:44:52 PM
Is this even possibly true?
"Louisiana theater shooting was America's 204th mass shooting in 204 days in 2015."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/24/there-have-been-204-mass-shootings-and-204-days-in-2015-so-far/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/24/there-have-been-204-mass-shootings-and-204-days-in-2015-so-far/)

Cedar

I saw that too, and I don't see how that could be possible.

It looks like it's from an anti-gun organization.  Found this:

The Mass Shooting Tracker is different from other shooting databases in that it uses a broader definition of mass shooting. "The old FBI definition of Mass Murder (not even the most recent one) is four or more people murdered in one event," the site's creators explain. "It is only logical that a Mass Shooting is four or more people shot in one event."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/24/there-have-been-204-mass-shootings-and-204-days-in-2015-so-far/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/24/there-have-been-204-mass-shootings-and-204-days-in-2015-so-far/)

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 24, 2015, 07:53:55 PM
I saw that too, and I don't see how that could be possible.
It looks like it's from an anti-gun organization.

My initial thoughts were all the basketball court shootings in Chicago.. and from anti-gun folk.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on July 24, 2015, 08:12:08 PM
I saw that too, and I don't see how that could be possible.

It looks like it's from an anti-gun organization.  Found this:

The Mass Shooting Tracker is different from other shooting databases in that it uses a broader definition of mass shooting. "The old FBI definition of Mass Murder (not even the most recent one) is four or more people murdered in one event," the site's creators explain. "It is only logical that a Mass Shooting is four or more people shot in one event."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/24/there-have-been-204-mass-shootings-and-204-days-in-2015-so-far/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/24/there-have-been-204-mass-shootings-and-204-days-in-2015-so-far/)

Detroit...and other gangster cities...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 24, 2015, 08:17:49 PM
Detroit...and other gangster cities...


Even easier once you include non-fatal shootings.


Though it seems everyone parading it around the internet believes that means 204 people are dead from mass shootings.


Shot.  Dead.  Just semantics, right?  ;)

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on July 24, 2015, 08:23:07 PM

Even easier once you include non-fatal shootings.


Though it seems everyone parading it around the internet believes that means 204 people are dead from mass shootings.


Shot.  Dead.  Just semantics, right?  ;)

I have been both...shot and dead and I can cay that there is a difference...DEAD does not hurt.
It only hurts to come back to the living,I did not want to come back.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 24, 2015, 08:24:53 PM
I have been both...shot and dead and I can cay that there is a difference...DEAD does not hurt.
It only hurts to come back to the living,I did not want to come back.


I've never feared being dead - just the dying part.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on July 24, 2015, 08:38:14 PM

I've never feared being dead - just the dying part.

There is no fear when faith is present..

I have never been much for Bible teaching  and still resist pushing religion is the face of others,
though will gladly tell of my experience.I saw much in my visit to Heaven and spoke with God.
I will stay brief so as to not upset others as I have in the past.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on July 25, 2015, 07:01:44 AM

I've never feared being dead - just the dying part.
Yep, common thread here.  I have had a wonderful life and I have no problem giving it to save another if that is what is called upon for me to do, but there's so many in between places to end up.  We've watched folks we know die after weeks in the hospitals from burns.  There's some pretty rotten ways to go that I'd rather avoid.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: never_retreat on August 03, 2015, 10:22:10 PM
2? Shot at a rap concert at the pnc art center in homdell nj. Shooters being sought by chopper.
No news coverage yet.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on August 04, 2015, 01:42:43 PM
Shots Fired at Soldiers at Camp Shelby Joint Forces Training Center near Hattiesburg, Mississippi
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/08/04/shots-fired-at-soldiers-at-military-base-in-mississippi-police/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 04, 2015, 01:57:31 PM
They are considering Camp Shelby not an active shooter so I did not put it on. They are looking for 2 civilian men.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 04, 2015, 04:44:59 PM
ACTIVE!

2 minutes ago:
-  Lakebay Marina, in Lake Bay, Washington State http://www.lakebaymarina.com/ evacuated after man in a boat is firing shots and claims to have bombs
- SWAT and police rushing to Lakebay Marina in WA after man fires shots and claims to have a bomb
- Pierce Sheriff verifys. They're evacuating nearby residents.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on August 04, 2015, 04:49:33 PM
(http://www.lakebaymarina.com/images/279be428d027012a50a3237ea2e68864.jpg)

A shooter here with explosives?
That makes Zero sense.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 04, 2015, 04:52:14 PM
A shooter here with explosives?
That makes Zero sense.

He has guns he has shot off, and claims to have bombs. When do crazy people make sense?

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on August 04, 2015, 04:53:01 PM
Ideal place for law enforcement, as it's out on a point, with relatively few roads and water on 3 sides.  At least containment should be straight forward.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 04, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
(http://www.lakebaymarina.com/images/279be428d027012a50a3237ea2e68864.jpg)

There is fuel at that marina building. Ethanol-Free Gas, with Sol-tron added.

EDIT: Just as I was worried about when I saw that building. The man is threatening to blow up that building. The Pierce County Sheriff's Office said the man is believed to be 56 years old. The man said he had put bombs to the marina fuel tanks, as well as the fuel and propane tanks on his boat. He is on a 30' cabin cruiser

SCANNERS:
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/19691/web Police
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/7669 Fire

LIVE FEEDS
http://www.cbsnews.com/live/
http://www.kirotv.com/s/news/live-event/ <-- was the better one


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on August 04, 2015, 05:03:32 PM
Sounds like a personal grievance against the marina than any kind of act of terrorism. Reminds me of the bulldozer guy in Granby several years ago.

Crazy comes in all flavors.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 04, 2015, 05:11:31 PM
Sounds like a personal grievance against the marina than any kind of act of terrorism.

That was my gut reaction.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 04, 2015, 06:49:05 PM
Update:

The area around Lakebay Marina has been evacuated after a man sitting on a boat fired gunshots and threatened to blow up the marina, investigators said. The incident began around 3 p.m. when reports came in of a 56-year-old man firing shotgun rounds into the sky from a 30-foot cruiser docked at the marina, according to Det. Ed Troyer with the Pierce County Sheriff's Department. "He has a shotgun for sure," Troyer said. "He's fired off some rounds from a high powered rifle with a scope." The man also claims to have strapped bombs onto his boat's fuel and propane tanks, as well as other marina fuel tanks. "He is threatening to blow up the marina," Troyer said. "He's also stated if any law enforcement approaches him or in a boat or if any one comes near him he'll take them out." SWAT and other marine units are at the scene and Troyer said the scene is secure, but they are advising everyone to stay away from the area. "He's made too many threats and knows too much about what he's doing and bomb issues that if he does have some of that, he could easily take out the whole marina," Troyer said.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Marina-evacuated-after-man-fires-shots-from-boat-claims-to-have-bombs-320686372.html

Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdCOmghKHy0


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 04, 2015, 08:15:06 PM
26 minutes ago:
UPDATE:
Suspect Russell Beely,  in Lakebay Marina standoff being put in the back of a patrol car.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Marina-evacuated-after-man-fires-shots-from-boat-claims-to-have-bombs-320686372.html

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLnD86GUMAEQeJd.jpg)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 05, 2015, 08:36:07 AM
Shots Fired at Soldiers at Camp Shelby Joint Forces Training Center near Hattiesburg, Mississippi
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/08/04/shots-fired-at-soldiers-at-military-base-in-mississippi-police/

2 minutes ago:
- Shots fired for 2nd day near Camp Shelby, National Guard.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on August 05, 2015, 01:22:18 PM
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 15:16:02 -0400
From: CNN Breaking News <CNNBreakingNews@mail.cnn.com>
Subject: CNN Breaking News

-- Active shooter reported at U.S. movie theatre, Nashville police say.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on August 05, 2015, 02:08:43 PM
Gunman dead, killed by local police, only one possible minor injury from an ax he was carrying.
They are checking a couple of backpacks for possible explosives.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 05, 2015, 02:56:33 PM
- Police say the backpacks will be detonated in 2 minutes. Advise those in area to take cover.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on August 05, 2015, 03:07:48 PM
- Police say the backpacks will be detonated in 2 minutes. Advise those in area to take cover.

Cedar

Wouldn't want to get peanut butter and jelly on them...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on August 05, 2015, 03:54:26 PM
Gunman dead, killed by local police, only one possible minor injury from an ax he was carrying.
They are checking a couple of backpacks for possible explosives.
An active axer?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 05, 2015, 04:05:46 PM
Today's Nashville Theater Attacker Was Carrying:
-Gun
-Hatchet/Ax
-Surgical Mask
-Backpack
-Satchel
-Fake Bomb

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on August 05, 2015, 04:16:24 PM
Today's Nashville Theater Attacker Was Carrying:
-Gun
-Hatchet/Ax
-Surgical Mask
-Backpack
-Satchel
-Fake Bomb

Cedar

Now do we get a 10 day wait to buy an axe? :o
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on August 05, 2015, 04:20:28 PM
Now do we get a 10 day wait to buy an axe? :o
Right!?! ::)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Fixit on August 05, 2015, 05:42:06 PM
. He also had pepper spray.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Fixit on August 06, 2015, 04:13:33 AM
Gun was a fake. This is a death by cop event. 29 year old with history of mental issues .
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on August 06, 2015, 05:24:42 AM
Police in Shreveport La called to a home with domestic in progress,one LEO dead..manhunt under way.


Early a.m. Thursday update:

A Shreveport police officer answering a Wednesday night call was gunned down.

Agents from across the region descended on Queensborough after a 9:14 p.m. call became fatal. Midnight came and police had made no arrest despite more than 70 units called to the scene, backed by helicopters and drones.

Police came to Del Rio Street’s 3500 block on a suspicious person call. They expected an armed man inside a home threatening a family member.

When police arrived, someone opened fire. The officer was hit several times and was taken to University Health but died.

Police had not named their lost officer by 12:30 a.m., nor was the shooter captured.

Police locked down Queensborough with help from Bossier City police, sheriff’s deputies from Caddo, Bossier and DeSoto, the U.S. Marshals and the Louisiana State Police. They were all hunting whoever fired the killing shots.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on August 06, 2015, 04:06:11 PM
Police in Shreveport La called to a home with domestic in progress,one LEO dead..manhunt under way.


Early a.m. Thursday update:

A Shreveport police officer answering a Wednesday night call was gunned down.

Agents from across the region descended on Queensborough after a 9:14 p.m. call became fatal. Midnight came and police had made no arrest despite more than 70 units called to the scene, backed by helicopters and drones.

Police came to Del Rio Street’s 3500 block on a suspicious person call. They expected an armed man inside a home threatening a family member.

When police arrived, someone opened fire. The officer was hit several times and was taken to University Health but died.

Police had not named their lost officer by 12:30 a.m., nor was the shooter captured.

Police locked down Queensborough with help from Bossier City police, sheriff’s deputies from Caddo, Bossier and DeSoto, the U.S. Marshals and the Louisiana State Police. They were all hunting whoever fired the killing shots.

They just arrested the shooter who was also wanted for manslaughter from several weeks before..
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on August 27, 2015, 09:02:26 PM
6 minutes ago:
- Shooting at Savannah State University. Campus on lockdown. Sounds like shooter is not located.
- "The SSU campus is on lockdown following a shooting incident this evening at or near the Student Union," the school said in a statement. "A male victim was transported to a local hospital for treatment."

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Polar Bear on August 30, 2015, 06:38:30 PM
Shooting in Tennessee. 

A 19 year old in Sullivan County, TN killed three family members and wounded two other people in their house today. (reports between 12 and 3 hours ago as of this posting)

Reports state he just walked up to the house and opened fire.

One of his relatives returned fire, injuring the shooter before the police arrested the shooter.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dead-injured-shooting-spree-tennessee-33417102 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dead-injured-shooting-spree-tennessee-33417102)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on October 01, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Developing, but appears to be a shooting of some scale at a community college in Oregon.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/01/oregon-cops-respond-to-report-shooter-at-community-college/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on October 01, 2015, 12:48:30 PM
Reuters reports 15 dead and 20 wounded!  Still developing.  Not sure if shooter is dead or in custody, but is down.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: xxdabroxx on October 01, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
But how do they get guns into these gun free zones? 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on October 01, 2015, 04:07:00 PM
But how do they get guns into these gun free zones? 

Bizarre isn't it? Yet that blazing point will largely go unnoticed in most of the msm.


Statement from VCDL (Virginia Citizen's Defense League):
Quote
There was another massacre today.  This time it was at a community college in Oregon.  Fox New reported that the college is a “gun-free zone” and the school’s web site confirms that.

From the instant I heard the breaking news, I knew that it would be in a gun-free zone.  It didn’t take a sage to figure that out.

For now not enough is known about the exact situation to comment further.  The media will focus not on the murderer, but what guns he had and how he got them, missing the real message about the dangers of gun-free zones

From the school’s web site under “Safety & Security Info” (http://www.umpqua.edu/safety-security-information (http://www.umpqua.edu/safety-security-information)):

"Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms ... ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property ... is prohibited."
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on October 01, 2015, 04:28:22 PM
...watching the president have a freakout live on the news.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 01, 2015, 04:49:06 PM
...watching the president have a freakout live on the news.

about as inspiring as watching my dog poop
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 01, 2015, 04:51:42 PM
HOLY CRAP.

A warning from yesterday!

(https://8ch.net/pol/src/1443729036315.png)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: xxdabroxx on October 01, 2015, 05:19:49 PM
What batshit crazy website is that?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on October 01, 2015, 05:27:26 PM
What batshit crazy website is that?

Appears to be "/r9k/", aka "ROBOT9001", a board on 4chan.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on October 01, 2015, 05:49:42 PM
Some interesting tweets at https://twitter.com/broderick

Quote
Last 4chan comment: "You're only shooting college age students, correct? I have grandparents that live up there."

4chan's r9k community has a lot of Men's Rights guys on it who are obsessed with Elliot Rodger

r9k is now celebrating the #UCCShooting. They are also floating fake suspects as pranks for media outlets

Here they are floating the idea of pinning the #UCCShooting on 4chan sorta-celebrity "Eggman"

4chan members are setting up fake Twitter accounts to tweet fake #UCCSHooting suspects at reporters and media orgs
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on October 01, 2015, 05:55:20 PM
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sites/r9k

Quote
...The board is famous for its stories of social awkwardness and nostalgia of the simpler times, as well as discussion of abnormal social behaviour. It is heavily used by NEETs (Not in Education, Employment, or Training) who regret their life decisions and hold anger and disdain over males with active social and sexual lifes. it also containts Constant discussions about relationships with females and family. Dispite all of this, the board holds heavy pride in its own nature, with heavy hate over normies or “Normalfags” who do not understand their culture as well as constant calls for a “Beta Uprising”. this has spawned different memes. ...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Polar Bear on October 01, 2015, 08:18:26 PM
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sites/r9k

What in the world?   :o

I just had a thought.  Could any of those other users on 4Chan be charged with conspiracy before and/or after the fact?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on October 01, 2015, 08:49:00 PM
I just had a thought.  Could any of those other users on 4Chan be charged with conspiracy before and/or after the fact?

Who knows?  They would all claim they thought it was just talk and not a real plan.

I found a Facebook page that matches the name of the shooter (not gonna post the link because I can't confirm it).  A few of the posts on it creep me out:

Aug 8: "trolling for hookers so I can help them find their lord and savior."

Aug 16: "I have a pill bottle with like five types of pills mixed in. I don't know which ones are the sleep aids, so I just took four of each"

Sep 17: one of his friends shares an article titled "Signs You Might Be Raising A Serial Killer".
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on October 01, 2015, 09:54:37 PM
Aug 8: "trolling for hookers so I can help them find their lord and savior."

Aug 16: "I have a pill bottle with like five types of pills mixed in. I don't know which ones are the sleep aids, so I just took four of each"

Sep 17: one of his friends shares an article titled "Signs You Might Be Raising A Serial Killer".

Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on October 02, 2015, 06:22:28 AM
What a coincidence that one of the three airmen who stopped the terrorist on the train in France was from Roseburg, and that the gunman was asking what religion the students were. He singled out the Christians for execution.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: David in MN on October 02, 2015, 06:35:14 AM
So he went to a school he may or may not have attended to kill other poor students to get back at society for being too materialistic? At which point he decided to focus on Christians?

Where is the headline Lunatic Communist Lashes Out at Defenseless Christians In Gun Free Zone ?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on October 02, 2015, 07:24:56 AM
So he went to a school he may or may not have attended to kill other poor students to get back at society for being too materialistic? At which point he decided to focus on Christians?

Where is the headline Lunatic Communist Lashes Out at Defenseless Christians In Gun Free Zone ?
Nutballs are interesting that way.  They tend to have a wierd mish mash of views combined with madness and in this guy's case apparently trolling.  Hard to say what he believes.  Dig into some of the recent past shooters and they claim positions that are from both sides of the political spectrum and often conflicting with each other.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2015, 07:35:21 AM
I have a thought on the current shooting. As I understand it now,the shooter asked each person in turn "are you a Christian?"
And each who said yes were shot in the head....the ones who said NO were shot in the leg...

I don't ask for you to answer here but ....while knowing the consequences,HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?
And how strong must the faith of those who knew what was their fate and yet stuck with their faith?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on October 02, 2015, 09:06:29 AM
I have a thought on the current shooting. As I understand it now,the shooter asked each person in turn "are you a Christian?"
And each who said yes were shot in the head....the ones who said NO were shot in the leg...

I don't ask for you to answer here but ....while knowing the consequences,HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?
And how strong must the faith of those who knew what was their fate and yet stuck with their faith?
Good question Carl.
I'm a Christian, do I want to be martyred.
No, I don't want to be martyred, but I won't deny my faith.

This is just a small example of the horrors going on in the middle east. Christians are being crucified by the thousands.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on October 02, 2015, 09:58:33 AM
...As I understand it now,the shooter asked each person in turn "are you a Christian?"
And each who said yes were shot in the head....the ones who said NO were shot in the leg...

I've heard two versions of this story.  The other version is that he asked people's religions, and then shot at random.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 02, 2015, 10:17:29 AM
I've heard two versions of this story.  The other version is that he asked people's religions, and then shot at random.

Motives aside, if collectively we could shift the tactical response from "duck and cover" to "let's roll", these incidents would reduce in frequency.

It matters not if it's a depressed emo kid, a jihadist, or a stock broker going postal - these folks choose soft targets.  You don't hear about these guys charging into police stations shooting for a reason.  They want the most casualties with the least effort.

Imagine if the default response to a mass shooting was for every able bodied person to charge at the attacker?  Sure, some casualties would result, but the carnage would be limited.  If this response was assume to be the standard one, I don't think these killers would view their planned massacres the same way.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on October 02, 2015, 10:47:01 AM
Imagine if the default response to a mass shooting was for every able bodied person to charge at the attacker? 

I've been thinking the same thing.  We need to change our mindset in regards to these fucktards.  There's many more of us than them, and we stand a chance of surviving the bullets we absorb in the process of overwhelming their madness, especially when compared to just cowering on the floor in the fetal position.  With or without weapons, we are stronger, but we have to act.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on October 02, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
we need to attack them when the open fire, we might die, but maybe we can take the bastard with us.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on October 02, 2015, 11:29:22 AM
Motives aside, if collectively we could shift the tactical response from "duck and cover" to "let's roll", these incidents would reduce in frequency.

It matters not if it's a depressed emo kid, a jihadist, or a stock broker going postal - these folks choose soft targets.  You don't hear about these guys charging into police stations shooting for a reason.  They want the most casualties with the least effort.

Imagine if the default response to a mass shooting was for every able bodied person to charge at the attacker?  Sure, some casualties would result, but the carnage would be limited.  If this response was assume to be the standard one, I don't think these killers would view their planned massacres the same way.

I've been thinking the same thing.  We need to change our mindset in regards to these fucktards.  There's many more of us than them, and we stand a chance of surviving the bullets we absorb in the process of overwhelming their madness, especially when compared to just cowering on the floor in the fetal position.  With or without weapons, we are stronger, but we have to act.

we need to attack them when the open fire, we might die, but maybe we can take the bastard with us.

Absolutely agree. I wonder if the "duck and cover" response is just how modern society is being cultivated. I wonder if we're getting to the point where a large portion of the population literally does not know how to defend themselves and have been actively conditioned not to. Guns are to be feared so much that No Guns signs on schools have to be in word form only without the universal picture of a gun with a line through it. Dodgeball has been removed from virtually all PE classes as too barbaric. Kids aren't allowed to physically stand up to bullies or they get zero toleranced and sent to psych counselling to "fix" them.

Even in school lockdowns for active shooters, everyone is directed to cower in the dark and wait for the bullet...just hope it hits the person next to you. That child at Newton saved himself because he ignored his teacher's directions and listened to his parent's instead and ran through the open door when the shooter came into the room.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on October 02, 2015, 12:00:24 PM
Imagine a world where spree shooters were guaranteed to have their eyeballs and genitals ripped from their bodies, while still alive and conscious, by the bare hands of their would be victims.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: mountainmoma on October 02, 2015, 12:50:28 PM
I've been thinking the same thing.  We need to change our mindset in regards to these fucktards.  There's many more of us than them, and we stand a chance of surviving the bullets we absorb in the process of overwhelming their madness, especially when compared to just cowering on the floor in the fetal position.  With or without weapons, we are stronger, but we have to act.

exactly -- this is what I point out to my kids as they were raised, and one of the first things my youngest asked me when hearing about it
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on October 02, 2015, 07:22:43 PM
Seriously, if you're in even slightly close proximity, I've always thought how simple and effective tripping someone would be if they're not standing still.  Or kicking a knee if they're not, not even all that hard.  It doesn't have to be a full body tackle, at least initially.  Just something to make them lose their balance for a second or two, and then you can get them to the ground.


I can't say I've tried it (or had the opportunity, thankfully) but it seems really simple and logical.



Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on October 03, 2015, 10:26:30 AM
I'm seeing reports of the Roseburg shooter failing Army boot camp and being kicked out of a SoCal shooting school. Makes you wonder if those shortcomings should be reported and used in determining the outcome of a background check in firearms purchases.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on October 03, 2015, 01:45:38 PM
Yes, I heard the same thing, he was administratively discharged after 1 month. Typically these early discharges are because the recruit was unsuitable for military duty.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on October 05, 2015, 10:12:53 AM
Did anyone else hear about Chris Mintz and his heroic efforts to stop the gunman, even if it was just to act as a bullet sponge?

http://myfox8.com/2015/10/04/chris-mintz-oregon-shooting-hero-from-randleman-should-get-presidential-medal-of-freedom-according-to-petition/ (http://myfox8.com/2015/10/04/chris-mintz-oregon-shooting-hero-from-randleman-should-get-presidential-medal-of-freedom-according-to-petition/)

I'm not sure it's been confirmed, but I suspect his legs were broken by his giant swinging brass balls. ;D

Now that's someone worthy of some respect.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: mountainmoma on October 05, 2015, 10:19:58 AM
Did anyone else hear about Chris Mintz and his heroic efforts to stop the gunman, even if it was just to act as a bullet sponge?

http://myfox8.com/2015/10/04/chris-mintz-oregon-shooting-hero-from-randleman-should-get-presidential-medal-of-freedom-according-to-petition/ (http://myfox8.com/2015/10/04/chris-mintz-oregon-shooting-hero-from-randleman-should-get-presidential-medal-of-freedom-according-to-petition/)

I'm not sure it's been confirmed, but I suspect his legs were broken by his giant swinging brass balls. ;D

Now that's someone worthy of some respect.

yes, that is the take away name from this, had heard about this later that day --

I posted the link on my FB about him with the reminder that ...All it takes for Evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing....

Chris DID something ! He delayed the gunman, kept him from entering another classroom long enough for LEO to arrive

Of course, being where I live, only 2 likes on the linked article while I have no doubt lost someone I havent seen in years who used to be a friend due to the idiocy that abounds right now over this

So, yes, focus on the correct action Chris Mintz

It was Chris' young sons burthday, and even given his responsibilities at home, he ran TOWARDS the problem when he could have left, and can face himself in the mirror and his young son a Man
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Docwatmo on October 05, 2015, 11:22:31 AM
In essence at the very core of the problem is that as a group (society) of individuals, we forget that our safety begins and ends with us.  Sure, we hope we can count on others in between the beginning and end to assist if available, but as a society we have become lax on self defense and the responsibility of protecting ourselves and created this large gap that allows for bad people to willy nilly murder large numbers of people at will with little to no resistance.  As Archer said, when an event occurs, we need to move quickly and decisively TOWARD the threat and eliminate it in mass.  Which can't happen in free fire zones (AKA gun free zones) and is highly unlikely to happen outside of these zones due to the large number of people who do not actively take any measurements to ensure their own safety.   

It ALWAYS begins and ends with every individual.  If you are unable or unwilling to defend your own life, then PLEASE do absolutely nothing that hinders others ability to do that. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on October 05, 2015, 12:22:01 PM
It ALWAYS begins and ends with every individual.  If you are unable or unwilling to defend your own life, then PLEASE do absolutely nothing that hinders others ability to do that.

and yet... a kid who stops a bully from beating on a blind kid at school - is suspended because he stopped him with a well-aimed punch.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3248409/Teen-comes-defense-blind-classmate-beaten-school-bully-suspended.html  we are teaching our kids to not get involved.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Docwatmo on October 05, 2015, 12:39:24 PM
I have told my kids more times than I care to count.  If someone is being bullied or hurt, you can help them.  You will never be in trouble by me.  And in this case, I would congratulate my child for defending the helpless and tell him to enjoy his time off.   ;D

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on October 05, 2015, 12:47:39 PM
I have told my kids more times than I care to count.  If someone is being bullied or hurt, you can help them.  You will never be in trouble by me.  And in this case, I would congratulate my child for defending the helpless and tell him to enjoy his time off.   ;D

I totally agree.  But... this is a junior in high school, honor student, and is suspended.  That does not look good on his transcript, can get him removed from the honor society, and colleges will look askance at that record.

individual parents can and do react like you.  The system of no-tolerance cannot.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Docwatmo on October 05, 2015, 12:50:44 PM
Yep, we need to fix the system, not turn people into helpless sheep.  On that, I can agree whole heartily. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on October 05, 2015, 01:27:23 PM
And we need to stop reading the Daily Mail, since the entire point of the paper seems to be to comb through every bad story in the US and make a whole lot bigger deal of it than it really should be.  If it's not something that directly impacts me and my community, I try to ignore it, since all too often stories like this are like the game of telephone; at each retelling the story becomes more and more outrageous and I have no way of verifying the veracity of the original facts.  If something happens at my local school district, I can ask other parents, I can talk to teachers, I can vote out the school board if need be, but becoming outraged at things I have no control over and have absolutely no impact on my life does not help me build a better life.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on October 07, 2015, 01:47:28 AM
The Roseburg and Newton shooters both were living with their single mothers who were 110% pro gun.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: danimal on October 07, 2015, 09:08:49 AM
The Roseburg and Newton shooters both were living with their single mothers who were 110% pro gun.  Interesting.

Not really.

You failed to mention the OTHER factor which I think is more important...mental illness. Lots of single parents with family heritage/culture that includes firearms. I hunt near a property where a female corrections officer hunts to assist in putting protein on the table. Being a single woman and having a firearm isn't a bad idea of you are safe, train, and educate yourself and family. The mental illness thing is the issue.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on October 07, 2015, 09:17:30 AM
I bet if one would look closer they would see the young male shooters were ALL GIVEN DRUGS IN SCHOOL to control some multi-letter affliction of some kind.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: mountainmoma on October 07, 2015, 09:26:21 AM
I bet if one would look closer they would see the young male shooters were ALL GIVEN DRUGS IN SCHOOL to control some multi-letter affliction of some kind.

This seems so obvious, and yet we never get to see the statistics on it....
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on October 07, 2015, 09:27:35 AM
I bet if one would look closer they would see the young male shooters were ALL GIVEN DRUGS IN SCHOOL to control some multi-letter affliction of some kind.
I hear that the number of youngsters given drugs from multi-letter afflications is high enough that there is a good chance any student picked out randomly would have a high chance of being one.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on October 07, 2015, 09:48:09 AM
I hear that the number of youngsters given drugs from multi-letter afflications is high enough that there is a good chance any student picked out randomly would have a high chance of being one.

yet another reason I do not send my children to public school.  I have a neighbor who has all her kids on the pharmaceuticals, and she is often telling me to put my oldest on them to make my life easier.  And it may make my life easier.  But my oldest is not a BAD kid, just independent, a thinker, who likes to experiment and has to pee on the electric fence himself to learn that it is not a good idea* kid.  He is also bright, kind, helpful and loving, and loves to work with his hands.  He also learns better while doing summersaults in the living room.


* there is a story that there are 2 kinds of people in this world: those that believe when told that peeing on an electric fence is a bad idea, and those that have to do it themselves to understand.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on October 07, 2015, 11:13:57 AM
Mothers with medicated and/or mentally ill kids shouldn't facilitate access to guns, no matter how therapeutic they think it might be. Crazy and guns shouldn't mix.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: mountainmoma on October 07, 2015, 11:19:36 AM
I hear that the number of youngsters given drugs from multi-letter afflications is high enough that there is a good chance any student picked out randomly would have a high chance of being one.

This is true, but a certain percentage of people taking them have bad side effects, so they increase the chances of poor outcome. While it may be likely that mass shooters fall into most of these categories at once: males; between a certain age; from broken homes; with a diagnosis of aspergers or ADD/HD or other learning disorder or mental disorder; taking or coming off of taking phsychotropic drug; etc....  MOST young people in this category are NOT going to kill people.  So, more like a list of neccessary, but not at all sufficient. And, alot of the poor outcome is suicides without taking others out first....
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 07, 2015, 12:36:55 PM
Mothers with medicated and/or mentally ill kids shouldn't facilitate access to guns, no matter how therapeutic they think it might be. Crazy and guns shouldn't mix.

Tell that to Chris Kyle
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on October 07, 2015, 12:55:09 PM
Tell that to Chris Kyle

Exactly one of those cases I was thinking of.  And I believe it was the whack job's mom who begged Kyle to take him shooting.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on October 07, 2015, 07:25:29 PM
Mothers with medicated and/or mentally ill kids shouldn't facilitate access to guns, no matter how therapeutic they think it might be. Crazy and guns shouldn't mix.


I will say that a lot of the time single moms have firearms because they're single moms.  Even if they have a good relationship with their kids' father, there are some full blown wack jobs out there.  Stalkers, pervs, abusers - I've seen them all, and I was really only dating for about five years.


Having said that, you're absolutely right about knowing when you shouldn't have them in the house.  When my son was going through the worst of his emotional issues (and yes, taking Adderall for a year after pleading for it so he could get a handle on his emotions) I didn't have any weapons in my home.  None.  It was just too much of a risk.


Now he is stable, hasn't needed to take any meds for about 6 or 7 years and is just fine around guns.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on October 22, 2015, 10:13:18 AM
Not quite a shooter, but whack jobs dont need a gun to kill ppl at a school:

A man wearing a Darth Vader-like mask and armed with a sword went on a rampage at a Swedish elementary school Thursday, killing a teacher and a student.The attacker died later of gunshot wounds inflicted by police who rushed to the scene, authorities said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/10/22/man-attacks-sweden-school/74375106/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on October 22, 2015, 06:13:33 PM
More recent article said one of the students died and a different teacher was also wounded. So Darth Vader and 2 victims dead and 2 wounded.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on November 27, 2015, 01:33:50 PM
Active shooter situation unfolding in Colorado Springs, CO.  So far three police officers reported injured so far.  Unknown number of victims.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/colorado-springs-area/active-shooter-reported-at-planned-parenthood-in-colorado-springs (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/colorado-springs-area/active-shooter-reported-at-planned-parenthood-in-colorado-springs)

Disputed reports of whether it's in or near a Planned Parenthood.  It's in a medical complex near a mall.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on November 27, 2015, 01:49:03 PM
Active shooter situation unfolding in Colorado Springs, CO.  So far three police officers reported injured so far. 
I seem to recall they have a number of facilities.   Multiple injured officers is a little discordant for the average active shooter incident.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on November 27, 2015, 02:04:12 PM
I seem to recall they have a number of facilities.   Multiple injured officers is a little discordant for the average active shooter incident.
Yep, seems like one who's not going down without a fight. 

Still active and from scanner feed, sounds like another officer hit just now.  First officer hit 12:01 MDT, now 2:04MDT.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on November 27, 2015, 02:13:12 PM
Maybe I'm just imagining things, but what's up with Colorado and mass shootings?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on November 27, 2015, 02:22:09 PM
Maybe I'm just imagining things, but what's up with Colorado and mass shootings?
A question I've asked myself many times my friend.  However, Colorado Springs is a hotbed of very conservative thinking and Planned Parenthood seems like a high risk environment in that town.

Scene still very active. Shots fired calls still being aired every few minutes.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on November 27, 2015, 02:51:40 PM
6-7 just rescued via armored vehicle (bearcat).  They're using the internal video surveillance system to track the shooter.  They have several teams in the building, but it seems like a very difficult building, with dozens of patient rooms and treatment rooms.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: r_w on November 27, 2015, 02:59:24 PM
A question I've asked myself many times my friend.  However, Colorado Springs is a hotbed of very conservative thinking and Planned Parenthood seems like a high risk environment in that town.

Scene still very active. Shots fired calls still being aired every few minutes.

Very conservative and very liberal.  It will be a hotbed of conflict, similar to bleeding Kansas leading up to the civil war/War of northern aggression.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on November 27, 2015, 04:12:07 PM
I seem to recall they have a number of facilities.   Multiple injured officers is a little discordant for the average active shooter incident.

I have no idea if this is becoming a new standard but my buddy (LEO) remarked that his city department's SOP for an active shooter is now for all on-scene officers to advance on the shooter in a diamond formation until he's taken down. The officers expect to receive fire but their priority is now to take shooters down asap without considering cover or return fire.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on November 27, 2015, 04:36:39 PM
I have no idea if this is becoming a new standard but my buddy (LEO) remarked that his city department's SOP for an active shooter is now for all on-scene officers to advance on the shooter in a diamond formation until he's taken down. The officers expect to receive fire but their priority is now to take shooters down asap without considering cover or return fire.
that doesn't hold in all circumstances.  If speed isnt a virtue, such as most victims already escaped or the shooter being boxed up it is acceptable to slow down.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on November 27, 2015, 04:51:24 PM
I think they've changed tactics to waiting until he dies of old age.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on November 27, 2015, 05:05:43 PM
Suspect in custody, alive.  Seems to have surrendered moments before a dynamic entry of SWAT.  I suspect he was listening in all along and knew it was the end game.  He says he was alone.  They're clearing the building now.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on November 27, 2015, 05:10:02 PM
11 people transfered to hospital, 5 of them LEO.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: r_w on November 27, 2015, 06:17:16 PM
Weird.  So many injured.  First thing that popped in my head was a firefly quote.

Zoe: "Preacher, don't the Bible have some pretty specific things to say about killing? Book: "Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps."

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on November 27, 2015, 06:23:04 PM
One of the LEO just died.  :(

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on November 27, 2015, 08:24:43 PM
Earlier today, I heard a rumor that this started as a bank robbery nearby to Planned Parenthood.  Can't find nything about that in the current news, though.

EDIT:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/active-shooter-reported-at-planned-parenthood-clinic-in-colorado-1448654443

This might be the source of that rumor:

Quote
...Brigitte Wolfe, a manager at the Jun Japanese Restaurant in a strip mall across the street from the Planned Parenthood, said six policemen had taken positions in her restaurant and ordered her staff and three customers to stay inside as the scene unfolded across the street.

“We have a bank across the street, so we thought it was a bank robbery, and then all of a sudden we saw SWAT and ATF pull up,” she said....

However, the exact reason for the shooting isn't officially determined yet:

Quote
...“This is a complicated scene that is probably going to take hours, days for us to process,” Lt. Buckley said.

Police said they had not determined whether the gunman was targeting the Planned Parenthood clinic, which conducts abortions as well as HIV testing and other services, and was in the middle of a normal business day on Friday, with numerous staff and patients present. ...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on November 27, 2015, 08:27:25 PM
Earlier today, I heard a rumor that this started as a bank robbery nearby to Planned Parenthood.  Can't find nything about that in the current news, though.

I heard it started at Chase Bank. Witnesses were saying that, I will see if I can find anything for you Mr. Bill.
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/2015/11/27/colorado-police-active-shooter-planned-parenthood/76456084/

""All the shooting went down at the Chase bank," which is next door to Planned Parenthood, a witness said on MSNBC"
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/27/reports-active-shooter-barricaded-in-colorado-springs-planned-parenthood-firing-at-cops/

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on November 27, 2015, 08:30:51 PM
I heard it started at Chase Bank.

Added more info to my above post -- that may have been an incorrect assumption by people nearby.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on November 27, 2015, 11:53:22 PM
- Two civilians and a police officer were killed
- Shooter is a 69 yo white guy

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on November 28, 2015, 08:49:29 AM
RE: The shooter Robert Lewis Dear.
Somehow "politically unaffiliated loner who identifies as Female" sounds.....different.

This is from the site http://coloradovoters.info/by_number/6010/10372_robert_lewis_dear.html

Quote
Robert Lewis Dear, Jr. was born in 1958 and she registered to vote, giving her address as 809 OURAY CT, HARTSEL, PARK COUNTY, COLORADO 80449. Her voting status is: Active. She is unaffiliated.
Voter ID number 601010372
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on November 28, 2015, 02:32:22 PM
RE: The shooter Robert Lewis Dear.
Somehow "politically unaffiliated loner who identifies as Female" sounds.....different.

This is from the site http://coloradovoters.info/by_number/6010/10372_robert_lewis_dear.html (http://coloradovoters.info/by_number/6010/10372_robert_lewis_dear.html)


Was not expecting that...

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on November 28, 2015, 02:56:24 PM
RE: The shooter Robert Lewis Dear.
Somehow "politically unaffiliated loner who identifies as Female" sounds.....different.

This is from the site http://coloradovoters.info/by_number/6010/10372_robert_lewis_dear.html
I found this source helpful in clearing up some details about the shooter. The gender on his voter registration appears to have been a clerical error.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/robert-lewis-dear-colorado-springs-planned-parenthood-shooting-gunman-shooter-suspect-name-photos-identity-identified-charges-family-motive-pro-life-conservative-age-white/ (http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/robert-lewis-dear-colorado-springs-planned-parenthood-shooting-gunman-shooter-suspect-name-photos-identity-identified-charges-family-motive-pro-life-conservative-age-white/)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: danimal on November 30, 2015, 03:48:56 PM
I keep hearing "clerical" error. How about an FU to big data and he was dot filling at random?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 02, 2015, 12:38:58 PM
Reports of an Active Shooter in San Bernardino, Califorinia
Reports of 20 people shot

http://www.ktvu.com/news/55237712-story
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 02, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
ABC7 reported a source that said 12 fatalities in the Inland Regional Center.

Inland Regional Center is a center for people with developmental disabilities.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 12:53:15 PM
I'm just a couple miles from there, but still not exactly sure where it is.  Lots of sirens in the last hour.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 02, 2015, 01:00:12 PM
Around the 1300 block of South Waterman.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 01:19:04 PM
My downtown building is on lockdown. Rumor is that they're evacuating the scene because of bomb threat.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 02, 2015, 01:29:35 PM
Slight tinfoil hat, but this made me raise an eyebrow

Quote
"San Bernardino police Lt. Richard Lawhead said. The department’s SWAT team was training nearby and was suited, “ready to roll” and responded rapidly, Lawhead said."

http://ktla.com/2015/12/02/authorities-respond-to-20-victim-shooting-incident-in-san-bernardino-fire-dept/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 02, 2015, 01:30:20 PM
This is one unconfirmed but there were reports of three individuals performing the shooting and they drove away in a black SUV
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Max on December 02, 2015, 01:58:44 PM
This is one unconfirmed but there were reports of three individuals performing the shooting and they drove away in a black SUV

Okay.......I'm ready to put my  :tinfoily: on! Dear Leader Obama said Tuesday he hopes a deadly shooting at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic sparks national action to curb gun violence. Not 24hrs later another shooting happens.....3 White shooters driving off in a Black SUV! Black Flag Op? I'm honestly wondering at this point.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 02, 2015, 01:59:43 PM
Okay.......I'm ready to put my  :tinfoily: on! Dear Leader Obama said Tuesday he hopes a deadly shooting at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic sparks national action to curb gun violence. Not 24hrs later another shooting happens.....3 White shooters driving off in a Black SUV! Black Flag Op? I'm honestly wondering at this point.
Do we know they were white?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 02, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
Do we know they were white?

"we"  don't know diddly squat, but what gets reported publicly could be telling
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Max on December 02, 2015, 02:11:10 PM
Do we know they were white?

It's in this headline.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3343309/At-TWENTY-people-gunned-California-mass-shooting-police-search-three-suspects.html#readerCommentsCommand-message-field (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3343309/At-TWENTY-people-gunned-California-mass-shooting-police-search-three-suspects.html#readerCommentsCommand-message-field)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 02, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
"we"  don't know diddly squat, but what gets reported publicly could be telling
Right, and I'm not discounting they may be white, just making sure.
I have to say though, this smells of terror of the sort ISIS would inflict.
The facility is a very soft target with no political motive except to terrorize.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 02, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Ah!
Quote
three 'white men dressed in ski masks and military gear'

In a high stress situation, could anyone determine the ethnicity of a person wearing a ski mask and military gear?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3343309/At-TWENTY-people-gunned-California-mass-shooting-police-search-three-suspects
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 02:17:18 PM
Weird that two hours later, there's only one helo in the air over the scene. The average car chase gets 3-4, easy.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 02, 2015, 02:17:31 PM
Right, and I'm not discounting they may be white, just making sure.
I have to say though, this smells of terror of the sort ISIS would inflict.
The facility is a very soft target with no political motive except to terrorize.

Since we're pondering - if by chance they were 3x ISIS members of Arabic/Islamic persuasion - what possible motives would exist to conceal this fact?

white perps == not enough gun control, republican rhetoric fueling hate, etc.
middle eastern perps == everybody panic because THEY ARE HERE

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on December 02, 2015, 02:22:20 PM
Slight tinfoil hat, but this made me raise an eyebrow

http://ktla.com/2015/12/02/authorities-respond-to-20-victim-shooting-incident-in-san-bernardino-fire-dept/
The VT shooting saw the local SWAT team assembled and kitted up only two blocks away when it started.  They had originally deployed to the dorm shooting a few hours earlier (by the same shooter).  They were on scene with 2 minutes of the first radio call.  If the POS doing the shooting hadnt have chained the doors they might have gotten him very early in the shooting.

This is either terrorism (of some ilk) or the report of plural shooters is simply wrong.  I have heard of the occasional two nutball team (Colombine, Jonesboro) but not three.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 02:39:25 PM
So my building is now being evacuated. Wish me luck.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Max on December 02, 2015, 02:46:00 PM
So my building is now being evacuated. Wish me luck.

Stay safe, use the grey matter between the ears and...Good Luck man. Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 02, 2015, 02:47:38 PM
Reports of gunmen at a second location in San Bernardino.
It's being reported (not substantiated) that the Waterman Discount Mall is being evacuated after gunmen had been spotted.
Roberts Elementary school is located right next door and there were reports that a bearded man in camo was spotted.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: osubuckeye4 on December 02, 2015, 03:22:10 PM
As always, want to wait for more information before I start doing too much speculating.


3 gunman does sound like it was more than a lone wolf/"nut job gone postal" type situation.

With the way the media operates these days though, could turn out that it was one gunman, or it could turn it that it was seven.

Not that I think the media is outright lying... it's just that with breaking news, it's all about being first and running with whatever the first person tells you, rather than doing any type of fact checking or speaking with anyone who has any type of authority on the incident.



My thoughts and prayers are with all those impacted negatively.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Polar Bear on December 02, 2015, 03:29:05 PM
Hope you're ok Freelancer.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Canadian Prepper on December 02, 2015, 03:29:37 PM
As always, want to wait for more information before I start doing too much speculating.


3 gunman does sound like it was more than a lone wolf/"nut job gone postal" type situation.

With the way the media operates these days though, could turn out that it was one gunman, or it could turn it that it was seven.

Not that I think the media is outright lying... it's just that with breaking news, it's all about being first and running with whatever the first person tells you, rather than doing any type of fact checking or speaking with anyone who has any type of authority on the incident.



My thoughts and prayers are with all those impacted negatively.

Good points. I find it interesting though to listen to the speculation and resultant discussion, since it's often a good indicator of what people are thinking, especially in the media. A lot of what's described as media conspiracies could simply be explained away as an expression of universally or deeply held views amongst that profession.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 02, 2015, 03:30:16 PM
Got word my cousin is ok.  His office is ~5 minutes from the scene.  Maybe he knows FreeLancer?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on December 02, 2015, 03:37:17 PM
The interview I heard indicated it was a county Christmas party at the facility. IMHO, that really feels like disgruntled employees more than terror. Who knows about events like that besides insiders?  Why not hit a more open venue like a mall during Christmas if you're trying to instill fear and terror?  I know those are typically lone gunman events, but the three shooter could just be misreporting at this point or it could be three really pissed off road and bridge department guys.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 03:48:23 PM
Home, sweet home!

Skirting around the scene, still just the one helicopter overhead.  Every police agency within about 20 miles has members on site.  Swung past the ER and it's already packed with TV trucks.  They've got at least 4 patients and I'm sure County will be getting some, too.

They're reporting that the conference room was being rented out to County Public Health for a party.  If that's true, I'm afraid I may know some of the victims, or maybe even the shooter.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on December 02, 2015, 03:51:11 PM
CNN says:
Authorities are searching for one to three suspects [www.cnn.com] near a San Bernardino, California, center
for people with developmental disabilities, where at least 14 people were killed Wednesday, Police Chief
Jarrod Burguan told reporters. Fourteen other people were wounded in the shooting, he said.

The shooters "came prepared," Burguan said. "They were armed with long guns, not handguns." Police didn't
exchange gunfire with the shooters, he added.

The shootings were in the conference center at the Inland Regional Center, the center's executive director,
Lavinia Johnson, told CNN. She believes the county's Department of Public Health was having a holiday party
there.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: osubuckeye4 on December 02, 2015, 03:53:46 PM
Good points. I find it interesting though to listen to the speculation and resultant discussion, since it's often a good indicator of what people are thinking, especially in the media. A lot of what's described as media conspiracies could simply be explained away as an expression of universally or deeply held views amongst that profession.

Oh, no doubt.

It's interesting to follow the narrative, and to me at least, equally interesting to backtrack a few weeks/months later and try figure out what actually happened and why so many narratives spun off from the event.


Not to derail too much, but, Columbine was a real eye opener to me in that regard. You had everything from rock music (Marilyn Manson), to video games (Quake/Doom), to undiagnosed mental conditions, to bullying, to firearms, to religion (Cassie Bernall in particular)... tons of narratives and motives being discussed and thrown about initially. Then you go  back months after the fact and start reading the facts, and many of them didn't match up at all with the narratives that had been established and run with before more information was obtained by actual journalists.

Anyways, not trying to start a sub-discussion and that's enough backtracking down memory lane.. back to the topic at hand. Tying this back into the present... I'm interested in following the media-spun narratives (gun control is a frontrunner at the moment, which is par for the course in mass shootings... terrorism is a close second, also understandable), and then looking back in a few days/weeks and find out what actually happened and if the narratives matched up with the facts.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 04:13:00 PM
Police involved in a shootout to the east. Scanner is going nuts.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 02, 2015, 04:14:46 PM
Here is the flight track for a govt. surveillance plane.
https://www.flightradar24.com/N404KR/826791d
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 04:15:30 PM
Two people down, one on the run.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 02, 2015, 04:16:07 PM
Two people down, one on the run.

We'll await confirmation of course, but if the multiple attacker narrative holds, this could be a game changer...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 04:17:05 PM
Officer down. Calling for SWAT armored vehicle to extract.

Scanner is going nuts.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 04:22:33 PM
CBS TV shows dark suv and bodies in the street
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 04:29:39 PM
SUV is all shot up. Hopefully it's the right guys. Bad day to be driving a dark SUV with two other shifty dudes. It's typical San Berdoo hood area, so who knows.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on December 02, 2015, 04:37:36 PM
SUV is all shot up. Hopefully it's the right guys. Bad day to be driving a dark SUV with two other shifty dudes. It's typical San Berdoo hood area, so who knows.
From the scanner sounded like one in the back seat had an AR strapped to his chest.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 04:41:08 PM
Bomb proof bobcat moving in to inspect the SUV.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 04:52:07 PM
Dead body fell out when they opened the door. Sounds like all three dead.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 02, 2015, 04:58:04 PM
"orange T-shirt, camouflage pants - that suspect is done."
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 05:01:19 PM
Crap!  So much for my spidey sense.  My route home took me one block from the SUV shootout.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 02, 2015, 05:01:51 PM
Reports now of an armed man barricaded in a home/church near the SUV scene.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: trekker111 on December 02, 2015, 06:01:09 PM
ABC news is reporting 14 dead, 18 injured (17 party goers, 1 officer. 3 shooter's (1 dead, 1 in custody, 1 still on the loose)

The location is being reported as the San bernidino state office building health dept holiday party.

Police initiated a traffic stop on a vehicle matching the description of the getaway vehicle. Shootout ensued.

Based on my knowledge of police tactical teams, and the size of the agencies in the San bernidino area, they likely have a full time tactical team, and therefore there is a 50/50 chance during daylight hours that they were truly suited up for training and able to switch gears and roll out quickly.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on December 02, 2015, 07:07:52 PM
https://reason.com/blog/2015/12/02/active-shooter-san-bernardino (https://reason.com/blog/2015/12/02/active-shooter-san-bernardino)

Update (5:45 p.m. Pacific): San Bernardino Police and FBI officials held another press conference. The latest information:

The shootout with police and suspects happened when they were following a lead in nearby Redlands. Two people were killed in the scene. One was male. One was female. They were carrying both "assault" weapons and handguns. They have provided no other information about the two suspects.

They have a third person in custody that was seen fleeing the above situation. They do not know for certain whether this person is a suspect or actually connected to the shooting.

The police do not have a motive as yet. There has been a theory passed through anonymous police sources to the Los Angeles Times that somebody left the center after a confrontation at a meeting and came back, armed, with friends. Police acknowledged that somebody did indeed leave the building after a dispute of some sort, but they don't know if that person is one of the suspects.

They found what the believe to be is an explosive device at Center, and they're still working with it. A report that the suspects threw some form of pipe bomb at the police turned out to be incorrect. They are approaching both the home of the suspects and the SUV very carefully out of concern for additional explosives.

They don't know for certain whether there were any additional people responsible for the shooting.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 02, 2015, 07:22:42 PM
So someone was upset at a party and left only to return with heavily armed friends who also brought along bombs?
The LA Times must be smoking some good stuff.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on December 02, 2015, 07:43:55 PM
So someone was upset at a party and left only to return with heavily armed friends who also brought along bombs?
The LA Times must be smoking some good stuff.
Or they're following leads. Give it time. I think they're on to something.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on December 02, 2015, 07:49:22 PM
Possible suspect IDed as Syed Farook.


Interesting.


ETA: Per CBS News.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: trekker111 on December 02, 2015, 07:51:13 PM
The news here keeps saying "wearing black military gear and fatigues" which, granted, it's the "news", but outside some specialized units, no military I know of uses black fatigues and gear... When my son heard the description he said "that sounds a lot like ISIS uniforms". Either way there is no telling at this point.

For a person to leave after a dispute and come back with a gun and shoot someone or a couple people... I can buy that.

I can even buy coming back with a friend or 2...

But for a person to leave, and come back with rifles, handguns, IEDs, and friends, and shoot over 30 people... I ain't buying it.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 08:03:21 PM
I got to say, Redlands is the least likely place in this area where I'd expect to find creeps like this.  It's a quiet place, full of healthcare workers and college professors.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: danimal on December 02, 2015, 08:05:28 PM
Which is a great environment of soft targets.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on December 02, 2015, 08:12:51 PM
Update (6:50 p.m. Pacific): Multiple law enforcement sources have confirmed to the Los Angeles Times the name of the male suspect killed by police. His name is apparently Syed Farook. They investigate:

Two law enforcement sources identified one of the deceased suspects as Syed Farook, an American citizen.

Public records show a person named Syed R. Farook was employed by the San Bernardino County Health department as an environmental health specialist, but it was not clear if that was the same person involved in the shooting.

The identity of the second person killed by police was not immediately known.

Employees from the County's health department were having a party or event in the Center complex where the shooting happened.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Wilderness on December 02, 2015, 08:18:41 PM
I got to say, Redlands is the least likely place in this area where I'd expect to find creeps like this.  It's a quiet place, full of healthcare workers and college professors.

Agreed. San Bernardino yes. Rialto yes. Fontana and Bloomington sure. I guess they felt safe in Redlands.

TW
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 09:40:49 PM
From the Wikipedia entry on the shooting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_shooting):

Quote
The United States Department of Homeland Security also responded to assist law enforcement. A plane with no call sign appeared in the area, according to a flight tracking website. The aircraft, used primarily for surveillance, is registered to the Department of Homeland Security. The plane circled the skies above San Bernardino for hours mainly in the area where the shooting took place.

I didn't see it.  Must have been way up there.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 11:19:59 PM
Weird.  The brother of Farook has the same first and last name.  That wouldn't lead to any confusion, would it?

There are reports that the FAA instituted a no-fly zone over the area.

SBPD has announced that the female is Tashfeen Malik, girlfriend of Farook.  They believe it was only these two shooters involved, both of whom were shot dead in the SUV gun battle.  Also three bombs were found in the Inland Regional Center.  They're not ruling out terrorism, but also have nothing definitive that it is, either.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 02, 2015, 11:32:07 PM
Apparently both shooters dropped their 6 month old off at grandmas. 

And the American Islamic council held a press conference with Farook's brother in law.

They're tracking the origin of the AR.  My guess is it's not California legal, which requires 10 round mags and bullet button mag release.


Edited to add:  Chief also said that police were on site within 4 minutes and casualties were on the way to ER in 15 minutes. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on December 03, 2015, 04:34:12 AM
One thing I'm noticing is that women are becoming more involved in these types of shootings, which really wasn't common before.  There was Bonnie Parker (which was different because it was more robbery) and Patty Hearst (which was kidnapping and a mess of different psychological theories).  But until recently, women have not been part of the "I have a grudge so I'm going full assault on strangers" deal. 

The random cop killing we had in Vegas about a year and a half ago was a man and a woman, and that's why the citizen that tried to stop the guy completely missed the woman and was killed too.
I'm all for equality, but I'm cool with my gender getting left out of any shooting trends.


Latest news this morning: guns were obtained legally, with some purchased by someone else.  Explosives were attached to remote control cars which either did function (distance?) or were not detonated.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Canadian Prepper on December 03, 2015, 04:48:09 AM
On the morning news they were speaking to a former Commissioner of the Ontario Provincial Police who suggested that perhaps the group had been training for another target but that the dispute at yesterday's  party or something else may have triggered the decision to strike sooner.

Though I can appreciate that the police want to investigate the facts of the case before coming to any conclusions, I recall hearing the name of the primary shooter very early on yesterday afternoon, but not even the race or age of the two killed shooters was mentioned at the press conference at about 6pm, which seemed intentional. I cannot help but think that they were under orders from Washington to keep mum in order to keep alive the focus upon a "typical" mass shooting rather than focus upon the terrorism angle, which was less desirable to their political agenda. To the extent that they managed to miss the terrorism angle at the six pm news they largely achieved their purpose.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on December 03, 2015, 05:52:26 AM
A fairly reasonable, informative article on what is known so far.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/police-hunt-for-motive-behind-san-bernardino-shooting-1449131982?mod=e2fb (http://www.wsj.com/articles/police-hunt-for-motive-behind-san-bernardino-shooting-1449131982?mod=e2fb)

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Wild Colonial Boy on December 03, 2015, 06:12:58 AM
If they have not done so already, guaranteed Da'esh (aka IS/ISIL) will claim this as something they have coordinated via Social Media. With both shooters dead their true motives may never be known unless they have "prior history".
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Greekman on December 03, 2015, 06:29:29 AM
the local (international news) say that farook traveled to Saudi Arabia some time ago, from where he returned with his wife.
Considering it as a Christmass party farook became disgruntled at, the whole thing smells to me like a sleeper islamic lonewolf case.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on December 03, 2015, 06:37:14 AM
the local (international news) say that farook traveled to Saudi Arabia some time ago, from where he returned with his wife.
Considering it as a WORK Christmass party farook became disgruntled at, the whole thing smells to me like a sleeper islamic lonewolf case. workplace violence

fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: r_w on December 03, 2015, 06:58:55 AM
I very much preferred the liberal depressed SSRI shooters.  They always went to gun free zones, which I never do--problem solved. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on December 03, 2015, 07:02:01 AM
Fox News has a good article this morning. Even they are not definitely saying terrorism. BUT, they give a very good profile of the man. He was a devout Muslim who went to Saudi Arabia a little over a year ago. Came back with a wife who was a pharmacist and immediately began to grow out his beard and become even more fundamental in his religious practices. They found multiple bombs ate the shooting site, in the SUV and bomb making equipment in the home.

It sounds to me like he went to Saudi to fight became fully radicalized and returned with hisbomb making wife as a sleeper cell. It will be hard for even Obama to spin it any other way.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Wild Colonial Boy on December 03, 2015, 07:17:52 AM
........

It sounds to me like he went to Saudi to fight became fully radicalized and returned with hisbomb making wife as a sleeper cell. It will be hard for even Obama to spin it any other way.

I'm not across US domestic politics but why would Obama wish to spin it another way? I don't think anyone deny's the rise of Homegrown fundamentalism, regardless of faith or political belief.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: bcksknr on December 03, 2015, 07:20:34 AM
     I guess we should all ditch our "tactical" clothing, if we want to remain under the radar. I've heard this term three times now on news reports, heading up the list of items used by the shooters. I'm going to trade in my old camo jacket for a "My Little Pony" sweatshirt, just to be safe. I can see the term "tactical" (that seems to be attached to everything from attache cases to toilet paper these days) fast becoming a dirty word.
     What happened to the third assailant? In statements from survivors and witnesses, there was a third assailant. Seems to have dropped off the radar. Perhaps he and the shooter from the grassy knoll went away for a beer? The news doesn't play that "definitely three shooters" statement anymore.
     Apparently these folks weren't Catholics from Ireland. Although of Middle Eastern heritage (I kind figured that out just from the names), the media has identified the male shooter as an "American citizen". I've heard nothing about his wife's citizenship other than by marrying one, she must be an American citizen. That seems to have slowed speculation that this event had a terrorist agenda. In order to avoid the stigma of profiling (can't have that) I've noticed the avoidance on the news of using the term "Muslim", as to their faith connections. I guess it would be considered "profiling" to use that bit of information in the search for a motive.
     One last thing. What woman would dump her six month old daughter at Grannys, gear up and accompany her hubby to shoot up an office Holiday party, knowing it would probably be a one way trip? Since she was brought back from Saudi Arabia to wed, I'm betting she was the radicalized one, and dragged her husband into this.
     

     
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Wild Colonial Boy on December 03, 2015, 07:30:14 AM
     .......
     Apparently these folks weren't Catholics from Ireland. Although of Middle Eastern heritage (I kind figured that out just from the names), the media has identified the male shooter as an "American citizen". I've heard nothing about his wife's citizenship other than by marrying one, she must be an American citizen. That seems to have slowed speculation that this event had a terrorist agenda. In order to avoid the stigma of profiling (can't have that) I've noticed the avoidance on the news of using the term "Muslim", as to their faith connections. I guess it would be considered "profiling" to use that bit of information in the search for a motive.
     One last thing. What woman would dump her six month old daughter at Grannys, gear up and accompany her hubby to shoot up an office Holiday party, knowing it would probably be a one way trip? Since she was brought back from Saudi Arabia to wed, I'm betting she was the radicalized one, and dragged her husband into this.
     

Reporting suggests the nationality of the female was Pakistani who lived in Saudi Arabia prior to moving to the US. I am sure the investigation is still underway to determine this however...

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1003250/female-suspect-of-california-shooting-was-pakistani-cair/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: hackmeister on December 03, 2015, 08:02:40 AM
Global warming and work place violence. I have a bridge to sell to you.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on December 03, 2015, 08:24:13 AM
Reporting suggests the nationality of the female was Pakistani who lived in Saudi Arabia prior to moving to the US. I am sure the investigation is still underway to determine this however...

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1003250/female-suspect-of-california-shooting-was-pakistani-cair/

I was confused by the reports that she is a Saudi national.  From my understanding, Saudi women are not allowed to marry out of the country.  A saudi man can marry whoever from wherever, but the women are only allowed to marry Saudis.  I have heard this from a number of sources over a number of years, so while my experience may be wrong and it is an urban legend, I tend to believe it.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: bcksknr on December 03, 2015, 08:40:05 AM
     Apparently the wife was a Pakistani national, living in Saudi Arabia at the time she met Syed Farook. I would assume that Saudi marriage restrictions didn't apply. Farook was a natural born American citizen.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on December 03, 2015, 08:52:56 AM
     Apparently the wife was a Pakistani national, living in Saudi Arabia at the time she met Syed Farook. I would assume that Saudi marriage restrictions didn't apply. Farook was a natural born American citizen.

yes, sorry, I agree with this.  Which makes more sense to me than the original reports.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Canadian Prepper on December 03, 2015, 09:35:12 AM
I'm not across US domestic politics but why would Obama wish to spin it another way? I don't think anyone deny's the rise of Homegrown fundamentalism, regardless of faith or political belief.

Yes, outside of an awareness of US domestic politics this would all seem rather odd, but it makes more sense from over here.

For starters, Obama has been increasingly frustrated with his failure to enact any gun control measures, so it's only natural that he and Clinton began spouting off about revisiting the issue even while the facts of the attack remained unclear.

Domestically, Obama has been under some flack for bringing in Syrian refugees and to some extent his more hands off approach to foreign policy, though to be fair many Americans across the spectrum are cautious about getting too embroiled in new overseas adventures. He has however been pushing the politically correct mantras about tolerance and diversity to the point that he, along with much of the left remains averse to calling out religious fundamentalism. When Major Hassan went all out at Fort Hood and shot dozens even that was treated by the Administration as a case of "workplace violence," hence the contempt you might be hearing about that here and elsewhere.

If you followed some of the media and official speculation yesterday, many were hypothesizing openly about right wing violence as the cause, in part because some advocacy groups have made an industry out of formulating their interpretations of right wing threats and foisting them upon the media and police community. So yes, the blaming of the extreme right, guns, intolerance towards Muslims and diversity in general, etc. were all frighteningly present. Even offering prayers for the victims in the opening hours of the incident got a huge dose of criticism, even though for the most part one would think that it was too early to make more specific announcements about the threat or policy considerations.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on December 03, 2015, 09:59:57 AM
Turned on NPR while driving kids to school today.

They were interviewing some CAIR guy who attending some DHS/whitehouse training on terrorism.
There was some psycho babble about "cognitive openings",  where disaffected youth can be coerced into destructive behavior like gangs and terror.

The part that struct me as interesting was the idea of a "hybrid"  motive.

e.g. this guy was already "radicalized",  had been training, had the gear, but was waiting for a social incident like this to set it off.

As nutty as that sounds, it kind of makes sense.  There's enough evidence against this being total impulse, but if it was planned - why make a scene first and then return?   A better ambush would to be smiling up until the last moment.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Greekman on December 03, 2015, 10:55:03 AM
I'm not across US domestic politics but why would Obama wish to spin it another way? I don't think anyone deny's the rise of Homegrown fundamentalism, regardless of faith or political belief.

becuase of the Saudi word. Saudi Arabia is known as a hornet's nest to us outside the US, fostering funtamentalism and paying for supporting islam world around (they will be paying for the first mosque ever to be built in Greece too). Adn they have been financing ISIS.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: bcksknr on December 03, 2015, 12:08:41 PM
     This could be a remake of one of those old Bob Hope, Bing Crosby road show movies: "The Road to Riyhad". It seems as though if you follow the monetary signposts, and the trail of terrorist events, you eventually wind up back in Saudi Arabia.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 03, 2015, 01:46:13 PM
It looks as though my suspicions about the ARs are turning out to be correct.  They were bought legally (per ATF regulations), but not by Farook, which indicates to me that they were purchased out of state and then illegally transferred (per CA DOJ regulations) into California. 

Nobody would take a CA-legal AR to a mass shooting.  Ten-round capacity and difficult "bullet button" mag releases aren't conducive to a sustained high rate of fire. 

I can see both sides of the gun issue attempting to make hay with this.....
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: AlphaTangoSierra on December 03, 2015, 03:30:45 PM
Just as as a side note, did anyone notice some of the local LEOs were carrying Ruger mini14s. Just a little curious if that was a political statement (seeing how CA hates ARs) or just a matter of preference. I own both mini-14s and ARs and from a tactical standpoint I would chose the AR platform. But then again both are good choices I just feel most people would chose the AR over the Ruger, sales speak for themself.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Spartan Dad on December 03, 2015, 03:49:10 PM
12 pipe bombs found in the apartment and the male may have been in communication with terror suspects. Waiting to hear how this attack, likely Islamic terrorism at this point, will be officially labeled workplace violence again. Yesterday FBI essentially stated they weren't considering Islamic terror as a serious possibility though it hadn't been ruled out yet. Today they are very grudgingly admitting it might possibly extend beyond workplace violence.


from wsj.com

Quote
David Bowdich, assistant director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Los Angeles office, said Thursday that officials were not ready to declare a motive in the shooting, though they were exploring the possibility that the suspects intended to target additional locations.

“It would be way too early to speculate on motive,” Mr. Bowdich said, but added, “There was obviously a mission here. We do not know why.”

According to people familiar with the probe into the shooting, investigators increasingly suspect Mr. Farook was motivated at least in part by an attraction to international terrorism, an assessment based on the early stages of reviewing his contacts and computer usage.

However, that early suspicion, these people cautioned, doesn’t eliminate workplace grievances as part of his reasoning, as evidenced by his choice of targets.


A summary from Reason:
Quote
Authorities are still investigating why Syed Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, opened fire at a holiday party for county health employees in San Bernardino, California, yesterday, killing 14. The latest evidence is that an attack appears to have been planned in advance. They had rented a vehicle and pipe bombs were found in their home in Redlands. But Farook, an American citizen, was not being watched as a potential terror suspect, though sources now say he may have been communication with others who are suspects.

https://reason.com/blog/2015/12/03/why-did-syed-farook-kill (https://reason.com/blog/2015/12/03/why-did-syed-farook-kill)
UPDATE: At a morning press conference, San Bernardino Police and FBI provided the latest information on the investigation. Though they are still not willing to discuss a motive, there is additional evidence that the violence was planned in advance:

At the Redlands home that Farook and Malike were renting, police found about 12 pipe bombs. The explosive device found at the scene of the shooting conisted of three pipe bombs attached to a remote control vehicle. It apparently did not detonate during the shooting.

After the shootout between the suspects and police, they found more than 1,500 rounds of ammunition on the couple or in their vehicle for the four guns they owned.
The SUV they were driving had been rented locally several days before the shooting.

The third person they detained turned out to be unconnected to the shootings. There are no other suspects they believe were directly involved with the shooting itself.

The guns involved were all purchased legally. The handguns were purchased directly by Farook. The rifles were not, and the origins of the rifles are still being researched.

Farook had no criminal record to the police's knowledge and was not subject to any current investigations.

Farook did travel overseas in July 2014 and returned with Malik. Malik is from Pakistan, in the U.S. on a Visa.

Officials plan to start releasing the names of those killed today.

Police say the couple was wearing tactical clothing, but not body armor. And despite some media reports, they found no evidence they were wearing video cameras.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 03, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
Just as as a side note, did anyone notice some of the local LEOs were carrying Ruger mini14s. Just a little curious if that was a political statement (seeing how CA hates ARs) or just a matter of preference. I own both mini-14s and ARs and from a tactical standpoint I would chose the AR platform. But then again both are good choices I just feel most people would chose the AR over the Ruger, sales speak for themself.

A lot of SBSD patrol cars carry Mini-14s, but I don't think it's for political reasons, and I believe Deputies can use their own ARs if they choose to.  I see many more ARs in patrol cars than Mini's.  San Bernardino is probably the most pro-gun county in SoCal and the last several sheriffs have been as lenient on CCW issuance as the state will allow. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Canadian Prepper on December 03, 2015, 04:02:29 PM
A lot of SBSD patrol cars carry Mini-14s, but I don't think it's for political reasons, and I believe Deputies can use their own ARs if they choose to.  I see many more ARs in patrol cars than Mini's.  San Bernardino is probably the most pro-gun county in SoCal and the last several sheriffs have been as lenient on CCW issuance as the state will allow.

Thanks for your on the ground input. I think it's important to remind outsiders that despite it's reputation as a liberal, Democratic stronghold that California is still more diverse than the PC think that currently seems to run the show there. As someone who'd naturally sit on the conservative side of the political and cultural divide there, I feel for those still holding onto some good old American values amidst the opposition. It would be interesting to hear from you over the coming days how the local sentiment will interpret the official spin being placed upon this tragic incident.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 03, 2015, 04:38:00 PM
Thanks for your on the ground input. I think it's important to remind outsiders that despite it's reputation as a liberal, Democratic stronghold that California is still more diverse than the PC think that currently seems to run the show there. As someone who'd naturally sit on the conservative side of the political and cultural divide there, I feel for those still holding onto some good old American values amidst the opposition. It would be interesting to hear from you over the coming days how the local sentiment will interpret the official spin being placed upon this tragic incident.

Thanks.  I'm working up a separate thread dealing with more of the local experience of the shooting and avoid cluttering this thread.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on December 03, 2015, 07:36:57 PM
San Bernardino is probably the most pro-gun county in SoCal and the last several sheriffs have been as lenient on CCW issuance as the state will allow.


I would agree.  Them and maybe Kern County.  Get any closer to Los Angeles County and things get really tight.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: xxdabroxx on December 04, 2015, 05:26:50 PM
Don't include my neighbors in Kern county in "SoCal", we're a bit more country on the other side of the grapevine.   ;) 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 04, 2015, 05:38:12 PM
Things definitely do get "different" once you're north of the mountains, especially the high dessert communities in my county.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: trekker111 on December 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PM
Just as as a side note, did anyone notice some of the local LEOs were carrying Ruger mini14s. Just a little curious if that was a political statement (seeing how CA hates ARs) or just a matter of preference. I own both mini-14s and ARs and from a tactical standpoint I would chose the AR platform. But then again both are good choices I just feel most people would chose the AR over the Ruger, sales speak for themself.

Alot of agencies issue mini-14s as Patrol rifles because they get them as cheap grants from the feds through the 1033, and other, programs. Very few ARs have been given out to agencies, and those that are, are OLD and worn out. (Literally sporting Bakelite furniture, pencil barrels, and 3 prong flash hiders with serial numbers <60,000).

Simply put they are good rifles that are suitable for the intended roll and can be acquired at the lowest cost to the agency. Many forget that the mini was conceived and designed as primarily a 1970's police rifle. If you see an AR in a Patrol car, there is a 95% chance that it was purchased new from a manufacturer, distributor, or a local gun store by either the officer or his agency.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 04, 2015, 06:37:41 PM
Finally a picture of the female terrorist

(http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_tashfeen_malik_float_jc_151204_12x5_1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Alan Georges on December 04, 2015, 08:40:06 PM
Alot of agencies issue mini-14s as Patrol rifles because they get them as cheap grants from the feds through the 1033, and other, programs.
Interesting.  Maybe slightly less-scary than ARs to some of the public as well?  In the end, it'll be more about the officer's training and competence than the rifle, and the difference is probably of no practical importance.  Interesting choice though.

Finally a picture of the female terrorist
Also interesting.  Thanks for posting that.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 04, 2015, 09:18:43 PM
Umm... why did the FBI release the apartment and leave the credit cards, driver's license, SS cards, and other ID of the shooters at the apartment? Not to mention notes from the FBI.

http://www.businessinsider.com/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-live-2015-12

I did see the FBI say say on CNN that they were done with the apartment before the media rushed in.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 04, 2015, 09:32:12 PM
Umm... why did the FBI release the apartment and leave the credit cards, driver's license, SS cards, and other ID of the shooters at the apartment? Not to mention notes from the FBI.

http://www.businessinsider.com/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-live-2015-12

I did see the FBI say say on CNN that they were done with the apartment before the media rushed in.

Cedar
Incompetent comes to mind.
There was an interview with a retired FBI investigator and he was shocked how quickly the agency released the apartment. He also wondered why he saw no evidence of fingerprint gathering inside the apartment. There should have been lots of black powder all over the place.
If the FBI had not finished with their investigation, their done now. The crime scene is contaminated beyond recognition.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on December 04, 2015, 09:44:05 PM
Incompetent comes to mind.
There was an interview with a retired FBI investigator and he was shocked how quickly the agency released the apartment. He also wondered why he saw no evidence of fingerprint gathering inside the apartment. There should have been lots of black powder all over the place.
If the FBI had not finished with their investigation, their done now. The crime scene is contaminated beyond recognition.

I am surprised that place and the apartments on either side of it were not locked down for MONTHS!

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Polar Bear on December 04, 2015, 09:45:27 PM
Christmas shopping comes to mind.  What were those credit card numbers again?   ::)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on December 05, 2015, 04:00:33 AM
Black powder for finger print dusting is out for those with the bank.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: CandyGram4Mongo on December 05, 2015, 05:33:49 AM
Things definitely do get "different" once you're north of the mountains, especially the high dessert communities in my county.

It wasn't all that long ago that rabies was a real threat to every kid every summer, and if we have a societal collapse we'll see that threat escalate again.
When I was a kid we'd leave the city most summers & head back to the small town in the mountains where my Dad was raised.
All of my uncles had a gun within arm's reach, because all of them were aware that at any moment a rabid animal could emerge from the woods near us and the ONLY way to stop a rabid animal was to kill it, preferably from a distance.
Despite rabies being far less common now, I was back for a Family Reunion this summer and yes, all my uncles and most of my adult cousins kept a firearm on their bodies or within arm's reach.

I was reminded of this while I was standing in line at Starbucks listening to 2 ladies from Orange County, CA discuss how "nobody needs thousands of rounds of ammo like that shooter in San Bernardino."

Most of us take for granted that we're safe from rabies (and polio and tons of other diseases that afflicted our ancestors).  If the breakdown comes and availability of rabies vaccinations decreases, I think most of us are going to wish that 1) we have a loaded gun, 2) that we've got enough ammo to use it, and 3) that we've got enough ammo to teach our sons and daughters how to protect themselves.

So yeah, "only a terrorist would have that much ammo", except for anybody who recognizes that there are parts of the country where people still take for granted the fact that parents must be vigilant, armed, and able to hit what they're aiming at, if only to protect the children from creatures foaming at the mouth, whether it be from rabies or religion...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on December 05, 2015, 05:49:25 AM
All great points, And I like your handle...

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on December 05, 2015, 07:50:38 AM
Gentle nudge: topic is current active shooters and there's been substantial drift now. There's now a couple other threads running on the San Bernadino shooting, ISIS, and firearms/legislation topics, so let's hope this subject can fall quiet for a few weeks or months (or at least hours?).
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on December 05, 2015, 01:57:12 PM
Apparently a San Bernardino SWAT Doctor, a sworn officer who is also a medical doctor (and spends most of his time performing as a doctor, not a SWAT member) was one of the first responders to the shooting.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/health/san-bernardino-swat-doctor-profile/index.html

I see the article as generally positive, at the least it presents as a positive the idea that it is prudent that physicians could be armed.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 05, 2015, 09:27:09 PM
Apparently a San Bernardino SWAT Doctor, a sworn officer who is also a medical doctor (and spends most of his time performing as a doctor, not a SWAT member) was one of the first responders to the shooting.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/health/san-bernardino-swat-doctor-profile/index.html

I see the article as generally positive, at the least it presents as a positive the idea that it is prudent that physicians could be armed.

And he's middle eastern, too.

ER docs tend to be adrenaline junkies and more into guns.  Internists or pediatricians, not so much.

I can't remember his name, but a former US Surgeon General was ex-special forces who became a trauma surgeon and then went into public health.  He shot an attacker on the side of the road with a concealed weapon, called 911, and started resuscitation efforts before EMS arrived.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on December 06, 2015, 01:59:02 AM
ER docs tend to be adrenaline junkies and more into guns.

Sometimes they flip, though, often as an outgrowth of the inevitable burnout that arises from the steady stream of knife and gun club carnage passing through your ER every day. 

I remember a public health round-table presentation, pre-9/11, where an ER guy said he made a complete 180 and sold his entire collection.  Another one didn't go quite that far, he dumped all his modern weapons and dabbled in 19th century collectible firearms.  Not saying it's totally rational, but I can understand how trauma can do that over time.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on December 06, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
All great points, And I like your handle...


I agree.


I was throwing around Blazing Saddles quotes just this morning.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on January 26, 2016, 10:26:31 AM
Active Shooter @ Naval Medical Center San Diego

Gunshots were heard in building which houses offices, barracks for wounded soldiers.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZqUw93VIAAF_zv.jpg:large)

http://abc7.com/news/active-shooter-reported-at-naval-medical-center-san-diego/1174377/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on January 26, 2016, 10:44:40 AM
From a first responders perspective, is an angry guy emptying his magazine into a TV screen an "Active shooter"?  I don't condone that, or suggest police don't need to respond, but that seems quite different from a person seeking random targets for a spree killing.

I guess any negligent discharge is a terror attack in 2016.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: osubuckeye4 on January 26, 2016, 10:50:27 AM
From a first responders perspective, is an angry guy emptying his magazine into a TV screen an "Active shooter"?  I don't condone that, or suggest police don't need to respond, but that seems quite different from a person seeking random targets for a spree killing.

I guess any negligent discharge is a terror attack in 2016.

Yea, this one is confusing... reports are coming in and I'm seeing a lot of:

- "One witness made the report, saying three gunshots were heard"

- "Initial sweeps done, no evidence of a shooting. No injuries to report."



I truly hope that it was either a jumpy witness or a negligent discharge, but, it is concerning that every news outlet had this painted as an active shooter going on a killing spree at the onset.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on January 26, 2016, 11:14:36 AM
Now they're not even sure there was a gun involved.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on January 26, 2016, 11:23:44 AM
Dan Carlin recently talked about the importance of the Idea behind "home of the free and land of the brave". When we are scared little children we will happily trade our freedoms for security. First 9/11, now the media blitz on "active shooters and mass shootings" have made the masses beg for something to be done, but unless the FBI statistics are inaccurate, it's all media hype. Homicides and aggravated assaults are less than half what they were in the 80s and 90s. We are being manipulated. Kill your television.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on February 25, 2016, 07:06:14 PM
Hesston, KS

Sounds like it started as workplace violence and spread to several other locations within the town.  Single gunman, 4 killed, 20+ injured.  Looks like the weapon was a Glock 9mm.  Gunman has been neutralized.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/us/kansas-shooting/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/us/kansas-shooting/index.html)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: d3nni5 on February 26, 2016, 08:36:18 AM
Hesston, KS

Sounds like it started as workplace violence and spread to several other locations within the town.  Single gunman, 4 killed, 20+ injured.  Looks like the weapon was a Glock 9mm.  Gunman has been neutralized.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/us/kansas-shooting/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/us/kansas-shooting/index.html)

Washington Post provides information on this a few min ago...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/02/26/kansas-gunman-served-protection-from-abuse-order-shortly-before-shootings-sheriff-says/

Quote
The gunman was served with a “protection from abuse” order about 90 minutes before the first shot was fired, Harvey County Sheriff T. Walton said during a news conference Friday.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on February 27, 2016, 11:19:45 AM
 Looks like FF was a previous felon who received his firearms last August from a female acquaintance who is likely to be in significant trouble now.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/us/kansas-shooting/index.html
 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on March 28, 2016, 01:32:54 PM
Possible Active Shooter in DC
Reuters claiming Senate Sources:
Gunshots reported in U.S. Capitol visitors center, workers in Capitol told to "shelter in place".

Update:
Alleged gunman in custody after shots fired at Capitol complex

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/28/alleged-gunman-in-custody-after-shots-fired-at-capitol-complex-sources-say.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on March 28, 2016, 01:50:27 PM
man, I hate when this thread pops up again after a few weeks of silence.  Prayers with the victims
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on March 28, 2016, 03:14:30 PM
Fortunately the only injury is from a bullet fragment.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on March 31, 2016, 02:16:13 PM
Richmond VA greyhound depot.  A gunman shoots 5 is shot and killed.  Apparently the shooter saw a training exercise of the State police and opened fire on them.  The last report is the shooter is dead on arrival at the hospital and one Trooper is critically injured.  One civilian female wounded, the others have not been identified at all yet.

http://wtvr.com/2016/03/31/active-shooter-reported-at-richmond-greyhound-bus-station/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on March 31, 2016, 02:28:07 PM
Apparently one Trooper has died also.

http://www.newschannel10.com/story/31612519/state-police-trooper-among-2-dead-after-shooting-at-greyhound-station

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on March 31, 2016, 07:28:32 PM
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Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on April 01, 2016, 05:09:02 AM
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Probably .
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on May 10, 2016, 09:07:47 PM
Car Crashed Into Macy's at Taunton Mall; Multiple People Stabbed; Shots Fired.
Off duty officer shot and killed the shooter.

http://breaking911.com/multiple-law-enforcement-agencies-responding-to-security-situation-at-silver-city-galleria-in-taunton-mass/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on May 11, 2016, 10:45:55 AM
Car Crashed Into Macy's at Taunton Mall; Multiple People Stabbed; Shots Fired.
Off duty officer shot and killed the shooter.

http://breaking911.com/multiple-law-enforcement-agencies-responding-to-security-situation-at-silver-city-galleria-in-taunton-mass/
An update to this story;
The only shots fired were by the off-duty police officer taking down the attacker.
The guy only had a knife and managed to kill two and injure two.
Looks like comprehensive knife control is next on the agenda.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Black November on May 11, 2016, 12:03:47 PM
If only we had stricter gun laws.......Oh wait never mind
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on May 11, 2016, 12:28:32 PM
An update to this story;
The only shots fired were by the off-duty police officer taking down the attacker.
The guy only had a knife and managed to kill two and injure two.
Looks like comprehensive knife control is next on the agenda.
you joke.  From the UK...

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eatmedaily.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F06%2Fnon-stabby-knives.jpg&f=1)

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eatmedaily.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F06%2Fknife-edge-designs.jpg&f=1)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on May 11, 2016, 12:34:19 PM
And you have to be over 18 to purchase and carry a knife in GB.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Ms. Albatross on May 11, 2016, 01:23:40 PM
you joke.  From the UK...


Huh?  I don't understand the point of these pictures...  Is it because the ends of the knives do not have a point?  Is that mandated in the UK?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 11, 2016, 01:28:39 PM
Huh?  I don't understand the point of these pictures...  Is it because the ends of the knives do not have a point?  Is that mandated in the UK?

I'm guessing so, however I'm not sure about the mandates in the UK. If you view the image URLs for the pictures one of them has 'no stab knives' in it. A quick google search brings up this article: http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/15/the-%E2%80%98anti-stab%E2%80%99-knife-that-works-just-fine-in-the-kitchen-but-cant-kill-a-man/.

I'm rolling my eyes at the title because I'm pretty sure that knife could still slit a throat...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on May 13, 2016, 01:16:22 PM
Huh?  I don't understand the point of these pictures...  Is it because the ends of the knives do not have a point?  Is that mandated in the UK?

Last I heard that was at least proposed to their legislature.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on May 13, 2016, 04:11:34 PM
so, can you say that owning one is pointless?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on May 13, 2016, 04:17:25 PM
so, can you say that owning one is pointless?
:facepalm:
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Black November on June 01, 2016, 11:47:03 AM
Happening now

Details are still emerging, but reports indicate at least two people are dead after a shooting on UCLA's campus. The university is currently in lockdown as authorities investigate the situation. Stay tuned here for updates as the situation continues to unfold.

http://ktla.com/2016/06/01/police-investigate-possible-shooter-at-ucla/

https://twitter.com/i/moments/738058982829395968
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Ms. Albatross on June 01, 2016, 01:12:15 PM

Details are still emerging, but reports indicate at least two people are dead after a shooting on UCLA's campus.

http://ktla.com/2016/06/01/police-investigate-possible-shooter-at-ucla/


Incident is now over.  Being called a murder-suicide.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 01, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
Incident is now over.  Being called a murder-suicide.
Doubtlessly Mother Jones is trying to figure out a way to classify it as a mass shooting.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 12, 2016, 10:20:53 AM
 http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html

While not this article, CNN has deemed the Orlando attack the worst terror attack in the US since 9/11. Comes only a year after the previous worst since 9/11 which was San Bernardino.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 12, 2016, 11:07:21 AM
So CNN calls this a terror attack while obama makes reference to Newtown.

Quote
The 29-year-old suspect was known to the FBI
And they did nothing.

Quote
Asked later by reporters why authorities were quick to point to terrorism rather than a hate crime
Wouldn't terrorism be a hate crime in and of itself?
(I get the anti gay reference)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 12, 2016, 11:41:34 AM
Wouldn't terrorism be a hate crime in and of itself?


My thoughts as well.  All terrorism is hate crime in my mind.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 12, 2016, 12:15:11 PM
So CNN calls this a terror attack while obama makes reference to Newtown.
And they did nothing.
Wouldn't terrorism be a hate crime in and of itself?
(I get the anti gay reference)

The light bringer just called it terror and hate.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: never_retreat on June 12, 2016, 12:27:04 PM
50 Dead, 53 in the hospital, one cop took a round in the head but the helmet stopped it. US born Afgan parents.
"The gunman, Omar Mir Seddique Mateen, was heard shouting "Allah Akbar" "

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12/50-killed-in-shooting-at-florida-nightclub-in-possible-act-islamic-terror.html?intcmp=hpbt1 (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12/50-killed-in-shooting-at-florida-nightclub-in-possible-act-islamic-terror.html?intcmp=hpbt1)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: bcksknr on June 12, 2016, 12:48:28 PM
     What I'm having trouble with is the timeline. I've heard on the news that there was an exchange of gunfire at the nightclub at approximately 2:00 am. This was between police called to the scene and the gunman. Apparently that turned into a hostage situation.. I assume that the gunman was holding hostages in the nightclub. Not much information on what occurred during the three hours it took for the police to send in a SWAT team at approximately 5:00 am. I guess at that time they found the fifty dead patrons and some of the wounded who had not escaped earlier.
     What I don't understand is that it appears as though the police response spent three hours doing nothing outside, while the gunman proceeded to kill the fifty club occupants. If they knew hostages were being shot, why didn't they go in sooner?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 12, 2016, 01:19:58 PM
     What I'm having trouble with is the timeline. I've heard on the news that there was an exchange of gunfire at the nightclub at approximately 2:00 am. This was between police called to the scene and the gunman. Apparently that turned into a hostage situation.. I assume that the gunman was holding hostages in the nightclub. Not much information on what occurred during the three hours it took for the police to send in a SWAT team at approximately 5:00 am. I guess at that time they found the fifty dead patrons and some of the wounded who had not escaped earlier.
     What I don't understand is that it appears as though the police response spent three hours doing nothing outside, while the gunman proceeded to kill the fifty club occupants. If they knew hostages were being shot, why didn't they go in sooner?
I doubt it worked like that. At worst people may have bled out while waiting. Step one in a swat standoff is to prepare an emergency breech plan in case the suspect starts killing people. The close in ready team stands by to execute that. Another team practices a deliberate take down elsewhere for deliberate execution.
A wild card would be explosive devices. Did th authorities think he had them, did he say he had them?  Also how deep were they in the building when it went static? If they were outside and he was rooms and rooms in, it would have taken time to establish contact (shooting). Ideally you want the team in the last covered as concealed position to FF. That is what gives lightning fast take downs.

We will see.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 12, 2016, 01:22:20 PM
What are gun laws like in Florida?  I find it hard to believe that not one out of 300 people had a firearm, even if it was illegal.  Florida isn't exactly all sweetness and light.  There are really good reasons to want to be able to defend yourself in many parts of the state.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Polar Bear on June 12, 2016, 01:43:53 PM
Very gun friendly.  Florida is a shall issue state with a strong stand your ground law on the books.  It is illegal to carry into a bar or consume alcohol wile carrying.  What I would bet on more though, is the mindset of the people at the bar.  They went to have fun, party, and possibly hook up.   An attack was the furthest thing from their minds.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 12, 2016, 08:05:29 PM
Grumbles from the grave from the late Todd Louis Green. Even more poignant now than in January when he wrote it.

http://pistol-training.com/archives/9708

Train hard.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: bcksknr on June 12, 2016, 09:16:54 PM
     I'm also wondering about how many magazine changes the gunman had to make. Even with a 30 round magazine, I would assume that he needed to reload at least twice (30 rounds x 3 magazines = 120 rounds, which would seem reasonable allowing for missed shots). In such a do something or die situation, couldn't someone have rushed him or swung a beer bottle? I would think that at some point his back would have been turned to someone. If chances are your going to get shot anyway, throw a chair, drink glasses or a bottle. Dive at his legs during a mag change, take some kind of action. I know talk is cheap and armchair quarterbacking a tragedy such as this may be in appropriate, but couldn't somebody, or a number of patrons have tripped this guy up?
     I'm sure that FL. has similar carry laws as does my state concerning carrying where liquor is served. Unfortunately, only those who follow the rules are bound by them. It would seem as though the laws had little effect on the perpetrator and no safety for the victims. This is a perfect example of a person who has no regard for his own life, being empowered to commit a heinous act. As we have all seen, those who are willing to sacrifice their own lives in suicidal attacks (for whatever misbegotten ideology) are almost impossible to stop.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 13, 2016, 06:47:48 AM
I'm also wondering about how many magazine changes the gunman had to make. Even with a 30 round magazine, I would assume that he needed to reload at least twice (30 rounds x 3 magazines = 120 rounds, which would seem reasonable allowing for missed shots).

Was wondering this myself.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on June 13, 2016, 07:06:17 AM
I'm also wondering about how many magazine changes the gunman had to make. Even with a 30 round magazine, I would assume that he needed to reload at least twice (30 rounds x 3 magazines = 120 rounds, which would seem reasonable allowing for missed shots).

The reports that I have read so far indicate multiple wounds per victim therefore it would have taken many more magazine changes than 3.  As far as the mindset of the victims, I think most of them were either
1) running away as fast as they could
2) sheltering in place as they have been trained in school these days

Either way, few if any were trying to take down the shooter. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on June 13, 2016, 07:44:49 AM
I'm also wondering about how many magazine changes the gunman had to make. Even with a 30 round magazine, I would assume that he needed to reload at least twice (30 rounds x 3 magazines = 120 rounds, which would seem reasonable allowing for missed shots).

The reports that I have read so far indicate multiple wounds per victim therefore it would have taken many more magazine changes than 3.  As far as the mindset of the victims, I think most of them were either
1) running away as fast as they could
2) sheltering in place as they have been trained in school these days

Either way, few if any were trying to take down the shooter.

One bullet can wound many people,think about how packed a popular bar/dance area can get....
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 13, 2016, 08:37:58 AM
One bullet can wound many people,think about how packed a popular bar/dance area can get....

Also, assuming .223/5.56mm when the trajectory of the bullet is disrupted, they do all kinds of goofy things.
Possible to get shot in the chest and have it exit from the thigh.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: osubuckeye4 on June 13, 2016, 08:42:30 AM
     I'm also wondering about how many magazine changes the gunman had to make. Even with a 30 round magazine, I would assume that he needed to reload at least twice (30 rounds x 3 magazines = 120 rounds, which would seem reasonable allowing for missed shots). In such a do something or die situation, couldn't someone have rushed him or swung a beer bottle? I would think that at some point his back would have been turned to someone. If chances are your going to get shot anyway, throw a chair, drink glasses or a bottle. Dive at his legs during a mag change, take some kind of action. I know talk is cheap and armchair quarterbacking a tragedy such as this may be in appropriate, but couldn't somebody, or a number of patrons have tripped this guy up?
     I'm sure that FL. has similar carry laws as does my state concerning carrying where liquor is served. Unfortunately, only those who follow the rules are bound by them. It would seem as though the laws had little effect on the perpetrator and no safety for the victims. This is a perfect example of a person who has no regard for his own life, being empowered to commit a heinous act. As we have all seen, those who are willing to sacrifice their own lives in suicidal attacks (for whatever misbegotten ideology) are almost impossible to stop.

^^Pretty much this (bolded portion)


Even if you completely had your wits about you (keep in mind: after midnight at a crowded bar where the drinks were flowing), and knew exactly what you wanted to do. There are couple of things you have to contend with:

- Dim lighting
- People panicking/running/hitting the floor (either dead or trying to pretend to be dead) all around you
- Confusion/fog of war (where are the shots coming from?)
- Loud music/noises to mask the gunfire

This isn't a situation where someone walked into a library and jumped up on a table.

It's a club, there music blasting, people drinking/shouting even when there aren't gunshots going off.

I'm sure everyone who was there did everything they could. These types of situations are impossible to game plan and I'm sure that some of those who were dead did everything "by the book" and just ended up being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

RIP to all of those killed, and condolences to all of those affected. Terrible situation  :(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nano. on June 13, 2016, 08:53:08 AM
What I'm fearing through this situation is more gun regulations. I truly feel for the victims, but I'm already seeing a flood of anti-gun rhetoric pop up again on my FB feed...

:P
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 13, 2016, 10:57:07 AM
Quote
Sturm, Ruger & Company (NYSE: RGR) shares gained 9.74 percent to $62.97 following Orlando shootings on Sunday.

Smith & Wesson Holding Corp (NASDAQ: SWHC) gained 7.43 percent to $23.00 following Orlando shootings on Sunday. Gun stocks, including Smith & Wesson, were trading higher as the shooting could result in a surge of gun sales to individuals looking to protect themselves.

Worst case, the entire country has gun regulations 1/3 as bad as CA.  It would still suck, but confiscations won't happen any time soon as long as sales are in the millions.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on June 13, 2016, 02:15:43 PM
What I'm fearing through this situation is more gun regulations. I truly feel for the victims, but I'm already seeing a flood of anti-gun rhetoric pop up again on my FB feed...

:P

i expected that the moment i heard of this
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: surfivor on June 13, 2016, 04:08:17 PM
Quote
I truly feel for the victims, but I'm already seeing ..

 You and your right to have a gun are the victim. it's no accident and is planned to work out that way .. I feel sorry for those that don't realize this
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: r_w on June 13, 2016, 08:06:05 PM
There have been north of 100 million guns sold under Obama, there will not be a peaceful confiscation.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 13, 2016, 08:08:31 PM
There won't be a confiscation.  New AWB, doubtful, but possible.  Closing the "gunshow" loophole and banning private party sales, probably. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 13, 2016, 08:49:31 PM
There won't be a confiscation.  New AWB, doubtful, but possible.  Closing the "gunshow" loophole and banning private party sales, probably.


My thoughts as well.  There's no way there will be a confiscation in the near future (distant future - I have no clue) but I could see them closing the gun show loophole (which I really can't argue anyway) and maybe restricting future sales of very specific firearms.  But that's it.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Greekman on June 13, 2016, 11:15:00 PM
there is a petition on "we the people" on banning the AR-15 specifically.
So all this horror and lone wolf problem drained to just that.....

BTW there has been a new lonewolf incident in France. the perpetrator dragged a plainclothes cop into hsi home, held him and wife and 3-year old hostage. The situation was resolved by gunfire with the police and the couple was found dead afterwards.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: hackmeister on June 14, 2016, 05:49:19 AM
there is a petition on "we the people" on banning the AR-15 specifically.

Actually the Orlando terrorist used a Sig MCX not an AR-15:
http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/13/narrative-fail-orlando-islamic-terrorist-use-ar-15/

I'm completely baffled how the progressive left (and their media cohorts) has shifted the discussion from terrorism to gun control. Absolutely ridiculous. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. A cliche but absolutely true.  France has some of the most restrictive gun laws on the planet but the terrorists were able to smuggle in full automatic weapons. Even if one or two of the patrons or security in the club had a firearm it would of at least slowed the killer down and saved some lives. When seconds count minutes matter.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: osubuckeye4 on June 14, 2016, 07:22:07 AM
Actually the Orlando terrorist used a Sig MCX not an AR-15


Never let the truth get in the way of a good trampling over of the Constitution.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on June 14, 2016, 09:10:43 AM
an off duty police officer was acting as security and was armed with a pistol, but was outgunned and perhaps out maneuvered.  The attacker made it through anyway.  The delay may have allowed some to escape however.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 14, 2016, 09:16:37 AM
an off duty police officer was acting as security and was armed with a pistol, but was outgunned and perhaps out maneuvered.  The attacker made it through anyway.  The delay may have allowed some to escape however.
You mean guns are neither magic talismans of evil nor magic talismans of protection from evil?  This makes me uncomfortable, I am just going to go to Facebook and look at oversimplified memes for a bit.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: never_retreat on June 14, 2016, 11:17:44 AM
Someone is shooting up a wallmart in Amarillo Texas.

Amarillo (Texas) police on scene of active shooting with hostage situation where 1 to 3 Muslim Somalis dressed in Walmrt uniforms are holding hostages at Walmart in Amarillo TX and SWAT is responding. The number of Somalis is unconfirmed.
Georgia Walmart.JPG

The Amarillo Police Department have confirmed an active shooter situation at the Walmart on I-27 and Georgia. Police are asking the public to stay away from the area. (Credit: ABC 7 Amarillo)

AMARILLO, TX (KFDA) – “The Amarillo Police Department is reporting an active situation at the Amarillo Walmart at 4215 Canyon Drive. Early reports indicate an armed man is inside the store.

APD and several other agencies including DPS, Amarillo Emergency Management and Randall County are on scene. There are unconfirmed reports of a possible hostage situation. Police are searching for a Somalian man wearing Kakhi pants.”

Police are shutting down I-27 & Georgia Northbound frontage road. Police are asking motorists to please avoid the area so that officers can focus on the scene and not traffic.

NewsChannel10 has multiple crews on the scene and will report details as they become available.

ABC 7 news team have confirmed the Amarillo Police Department are evacuating people out of the West side of the building. The shooter is believed to have taken hostages.

A citizen tweeted that he heard on police scanner that it was 3 Somalis who were the hostage takers. The number is conflicting since “Police on scene asked for interpreter and said suspect was a Somali.”
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 14, 2016, 11:47:20 AM
Someone is shooting up a wallmart in Amarillo Texas.

The story seems to be changing rapidly as scraps of info filter out.  Is it 1 to 3 Somalis in Walmart uniforms, or is it 1 Somali in Khaki pants, or something else?

Muslim Somalis

Best to hold off on that assumption.  If the bad guy(s) are Somali, statistically there's a good chance they or their parents are Muslim, but I doubt there's been any official confirmation yet.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: hackmeister on June 14, 2016, 11:50:54 AM
Shooter is dead. Killed by SWAT and the hostages are all ok:
http://amarillo.com/news/latest-news/2016-06-14/amarillo-police-responding-active-shooter-walmart
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: endurance on June 14, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
Sounds like a workplace violence situation. Otherwise, how would one know he was Somali and not just Black? 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: never_retreat on June 14, 2016, 12:06:28 PM
The story seems to be changing rapidly as scraps of info filter out.  Is it 1 to 3 Somalis in Walmart uniforms, or is it 1 Somali in Khaki pants, or something else?

Best to hold off on that assumption.  If the bad guy(s) are Somali, statistically there's a good chance they or their parents are Muslim, but I doubt there's been any official confirmation yet.
Thats from the news report not me.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 14, 2016, 12:07:59 PM
Sounds like a workplace violence situation. Otherwise, how would one know he was Somali and not just Black?

The only evidence I heard so far was somebody heard on the scnner radio that the police wanted a Somali interpreter.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 14, 2016, 08:42:23 PM
Washington Post/AP: Police: Wal-Mart incident not tied to terrorism (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-police-say-suspect-shot-apparently-dead/2016/06/14/c1930484-3258-11e6-ab9d-1da2b0f24f93_story.html)

Quote
Amarillo police say the armed man who took two people hostage inside a local Wal-Mart was a store employee who had a work-related dispute with the manager and that there was no reason to believe the incident had any ties to terrorism.

Police Sgt. Brent Barbee says the suspect, 54-year-old Mohammad Moghaddam, took his manager and another person hostage over a dispute related to a promotion. ...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: osubuckeye4 on June 15, 2016, 07:38:07 AM
Washington Post/AP: Police: Wal-Mart incident not tied to terrorism (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-police-say-suspect-shot-apparently-dead/2016/06/14/c1930484-3258-11e6-ab9d-1da2b0f24f93_story.html)

That's one way to try to negotiate a raise...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: hackmeister on June 23, 2016, 08:56:17 AM
Movie theater shooting near Frankfurt Germany:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/armed-man-opens-fire-german-cinema-complex-50-143855941.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 23, 2016, 09:08:55 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36610068

At least one shot fired, some reports that some of the casualties (reported as around 25 injured) may be tear gas exposure.  Perhaps a barricaded suspect with hostages.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 23, 2016, 10:31:43 AM
Turns out he was a “Neo-Nazi”.
Well I guess Neo-Naziphobia caused this to happen.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 23, 2016, 10:42:53 AM
and the shooter is as dead as fried chicken. 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/europe/germany-cinema-attack/index.html

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 23, 2016, 01:59:32 PM
Attacker had a hand grenade & a bomb (ie suicide) belt, according to German police.
Spoke broken German.

Doesn't sound like a Neo-Nazi to me...


http://www.bild.de/regional/frankfurt/frankfurt-aktuell/kino-viernheim-bewaffneter-mann-schuesse-im-kino-center-46456070.bild.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 23, 2016, 03:43:13 PM
Attacker had a hand grenade & a bomb (ie suicide) belt, according to German police.
Spoke broken German.

Doesn't sound like a Neo-Nazi to me...


http://www.bild.de/regional/frankfurt/frankfurt-aktuell/kino-viernheim-bewaffneter-mann-schuesse-im-kino-center-46456070.bild.html
A Norwegian Neo-Nazi?  :D
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on June 23, 2016, 03:50:30 PM
A Norwegian Neo-Nazi?  :D
Oh, that's it!
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 30, 2016, 08:34:50 AM
Andrews Air Force base on lockdown due to report of active shooter

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/andrews-air-force-base-on-lockdown-due-to-report-of-active-shooter/2016/06/30/17f14c82-42c2-40ba-9ec5-ca1ee164203b_story.html

http://www.wboc.com/story/32344670/joint-base-andrews-on-lockdown-after-active-shooter-report

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/world-news/washington-airbase-andrews-airforce-shooter-2886217/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on June 30, 2016, 08:42:33 AM
- 6 minutes ago: Currently the word is there is no shooter. "Let's run a drill of an active shooter at a military base, but not inform anyone. "
- NBC News reported that there was no active shooter situation on the base, but the official "all clear" has yet to come.

2 mins ago: ALL CLEAR
https://twitter.com/JBA_NAFW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

1 Minute ago: UPDATE
"All Clear" for the base with the exception of Malcolm Grow medical facility

Fox news reporting - Ppl are still being escorted out from Malcolm Grow, though it's all happening pretty casually

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 07, 2016, 10:28:11 PM
Dallas 11 officers shot, 4 dead. Multiple police officers have been killed during a protest in Dallas over shootings by police of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota. Many protests all over the country tonight.


- Person of interest has turned himself in.
- Brown said two snipers shot the 10 from elevated positions during a protest. Two officers are in surgery and three are in critical condition.
- No suspects were in custody.
- At least 2 snipers from elevated positions according to Dallas police. Video from a man in a hotel shows one shooter on ground level between pillars.
- Some officers were DART
- Witness who filmed said the street level shooter got out of a Chevy Tahoe, (blue or black), started shooting, shot at least 30 rounds, got into the vehicle, drove west. Was wearing body armour, officer shot him, then he shot officer multiple times.

In Portland Oregon, a man pulls gun on crowd of Portland protesters. Hundreds of Portlanders gathered downtown to march in protest of the recent police shooting deaths of 2 black men.


Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: never_retreat on July 07, 2016, 10:58:25 PM
Im saying pros on this job. Hit nothing but their targets.
Probably home having a beer by now watching cnn.

Luckily sounds bigger than 223, won't be able to blame the ar.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 07, 2016, 11:04:33 PM
Scanners:
Dallas Police 1 Central http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/5318/web
Dallas Police 3 SE http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/5319/web
Dallas Fire and Rescue http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/2681/web

- The photo of the man who was a person of interest is apparently a licensed open carry citizen. He has turned himself in.

LIVE FEED:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZkG8_YBpHs

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 07, 2016, 11:09:16 PM
Damn, I just saw this on another site. My God this is terrible. I'm inclined to agree with never_retreat's thoughts that these guys aren't amateurs. I realize the details are fuzzy right now but any idea how many shots total were fired? I'd be interested in the accuracy of the shots given the situation.

EDITED to add this video - may or may not be significant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S44kDhD2A4Y
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Greekman on July 07, 2016, 11:13:15 PM
are we looking in a case of "agent provocateur", a lonewold vigilante or are we witnessing the rise of the organized black guerilla teams?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 07, 2016, 11:15:54 PM
A lot of things I've seen tonight say 2 shooters. I know 95% of the time it's a single shooter, but until things are sorted out who knows. Additionally there's no indication that the shooters are black (that I know of). Could be some KKK trying to cause trouble for all we know.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 07, 2016, 11:17:19 PM
Live streams:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg

http://www.cbsnews.com/live/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 07, 2016, 11:17:43 PM
but any idea how many shots total were fired?

I count on 35-40 on Ishmeal deJesus's video. Experts are saying he was very well trained and wearing body armor.
Michael Bautista's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnqZadaY-yE  I hear at least two kinds of gunfire? Can you count them?

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 07, 2016, 11:21:06 PM
I couldn't count them all, I'd say your close, possibly more. Sounds like two different types of fire to me. At first I thought it could have been the shooting positions but towards the end of the shooting I feel that they definitely sound more distinct. (I could be completely wrong though).
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 07, 2016, 11:22:58 PM
I couldn't count them all, I'd say your close, possibly more. Sounds like two different types of fire to me. At first I thought it could have been the shooting positions but towards the end of the shooting I feel that they definitely sound more distinct. (I could be completely wrong though).

Even with the echoing, on the Michael Bautista's video,  I think there was two kinds of guns used. One is a heavy sounding gun and one is much different. I want to hear the clearer deJesus video again without the reporters yammering over the top of it.

I have not been watching the news much, so I just presumed this was a "Black Lives Matter" protest, but this was over two men who were shot this week by police. Philando Castile was shot in his car in St Paul, Minnesota, on Wednesday as he reached for his driving license, his girlfriend said in a Facebook Live video taken during the aftermath. His death follows that of Alton Sterling, who was shot dead by police during an incident in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, on Tuesday.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36733673

2 minutes ago (12:29am Dallas time); FAA has issued a no fly zone over Dallas

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 07, 2016, 11:29:54 PM
Press conference to go live soon:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protests-in-Dallas-Over-Alton-Sterling-Death-385784431.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_DFWBrand
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 07, 2016, 11:39:51 PM
 Dallas Police news conference (12:37am Dallas time):

- In negotiations with someone in a parking garage who is shooting at officers from time to time, and not being overly cooperative for last 25 mins. He told the officers that the end is coming he was going to kill more police and bombs all over the garage and downtown Dallas. They did find a suspicious package the bomb squad is dealing with.
- Suspect is still shooting at this time. A standoff, He is in the second story of the garage.
- A female in custody in the same area as the garage
- 2 suspects in a Mercedes in custody and interviewed
- Not sure all suspects have been captured.
- Dallas Police were monitoring the protest via social media, went to the planning meetings of the protest.

Mayor:
-Active crime scene. Trying to find out how large the crime scene is. Wants people to stay away from crime scene and check website before you go to work tomorrow. www.dallascitynews.net/ (and it seems to be crashed right now)
- Check traffic routes before heading out.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 07, 2016, 11:43:25 PM
The chief of police said there may have been up to four people coordinating the attack together (not sure if that means 4 shooters).

Apparently there is a suspect cornered in a parking garage that police are attempting to negotiate with - shots have been exchanged.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 12:05:37 AM
- Along with the 11 officers, one civilian injured (shot)
- An estimated 800 people had gathered for a rally and protest march about two blocks from Dealey Plaza when the first shots rang out. One hundred police officers were providing security for the event, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 12:13:51 AM
- Civilian who was shot is said to be 37 year old Shetamia Taylor who was shot in right leg attending rally w/ sons, she's expected to be okay. Shetamia Taylor pushed one of 4 sons between two cars and shielded him from bullets. Sister of Shetamia Taylor, says Taylor's 2 sons are in building downtown. Unable to leave because of lockdown Dallas,
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm0ogDrUEAAxAIY.jpg)



On Michael Bautista's video again, I got 24 larger shots and 5 less noisy shots before someone in the house started talking (again).. I ignored what I thought were echos.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 12:40:59 AM
Almost 2 am Dallas time
- NEW NUMBERS: 11 officers shot, 5 dead.

- Standoff still happening in the  El Centro parking garage, 1:39am Dallas time. Flash bang just happened at the scene.
- Multiple news agencies reporting s reporting “loud blast” near parking garage where suspect is in standoff

LIVE FEED of El Cenrtro Parking garage
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1ZkJzvbbqAqJv

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: cheryl1 on July 08, 2016, 01:14:42 AM
Dallas PD just tweeted a 6th officer has died
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: cheryl1 on July 08, 2016, 01:37:20 AM
Never mind, either a typo or a miracle but it's been edited back to only 5 lost. Still 5 too many :(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Wild Colonial Boy on July 08, 2016, 02:40:11 AM
are we looking in a case of "agent provocateur", a lonewold vigilante or are we witnessing the rise of the organized black guerilla teams?

Greekman...I'd say its a little early to claim the race card with "black guerilla teams"
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Wild Colonial Boy on July 08, 2016, 02:42:54 AM
Also RIP to those Police Officers who have fallen and prayers to the families.  Hopefully this is does not get worse...the US has so many challenges ahead of it.  Unity & Calm words are the key to stability.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: PrepperJim on July 08, 2016, 06:05:22 AM
Damn. I wake up and see this.

It is going to be a long summer and decade ahead.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on July 08, 2016, 06:35:42 AM
how soon before police in these cities turn in their badges and GOOD with their families?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 08, 2016, 06:37:28 AM
From my vantage point I don't see any slam dunk that these guys had to have any special training or were terribly proficient.  They very well may have been, but I have seen Podunk insurgents in Iraq that sucked at life pull this kind of thing off.  Select good positions and use a weapon that is lethal and very capable at the range selected and you are going to do well long enough to inflict casualties.

The number of casualties speaks some to the relative power of the selected weapons against pistol rated armor. Additionally, With multiple positions and with the urban canyon effect (makes sounds bounce around), even officers that took cover next to their vehicles immediately may have been exposed without realizing it and were then easy stationary targets.

The clincher for me will be the background of the shooters and how they had their weapons configured.  For instance there was recently a shooting in St. Louis where the shooters had AR-15s with no rear sights.  So I will be interested in how well set up their gear was. 

One thing I did hear was that one was running around leaving a trail of ammo behind him from rounds falling out of his pockets.  That doesn't sound like a geardo to me.  So maybe a lot of internet research but not necessarily a person who has trained fire and maneuver extensively.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Alan Georges on July 08, 2016, 07:03:05 AM
how soon before police in these cities turn in their badges and GOOD with their families?
Seems to be underway:
Dallas:
http://interactive.tegna-media.com/video/embed/embed.html?id=2202371&type=video&title=Dozens%20of%20Dallas%20police%20officers%20quit%20this%20month&site=287&playerid=6918249996581&dfpid=32805352&dfpposition=Video_prestream_external%C2%A7ion=home (http://interactive.tegna-media.com/video/embed/embed.html?id=2202371&type=video&title=Dozens%20of%20Dallas%20police%20officers%20quit%20this%20month&site=287&playerid=6918249996581&dfpid=32805352&dfpposition=Video_prestream_external%C2%A7ion=home)

Pittsburgh:
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/03/30/kdka-investigates-pittsburgh-police-leaving-city-in-droves/ (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/03/30/kdka-investigates-pittsburgh-police-leaving-city-in-droves/)

Baltimore:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/07/cops-quit-baltimore-force-in-droves-while-murder-soars/ (http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/07/cops-quit-baltimore-force-in-droves-while-murder-soars/)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 07:33:34 AM
I just woke up so I do not have all the details, but the parking garage standoff, ended up with the shooter being blown up by his own bomb after police detonated it?

EDIT: "We saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was," Brown said. "Other options would have exposed our officers to grave danger. The suspect is deceased as a result of detonating the bomb." Is that even legal to put a bomb on a robot and blow a guy up??


- New Numbers:12 officers shot, 5 deceased, 2 civilians shot, 1 dead bad guy, 3 people in custody/POI
- None of the remaining injured officers injured last night in critical condition at this time. All expected to recover.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 08:27:45 AM
- DART identified the officer killed as Brent Thompson, 43. He joined the transit agency in 2009, and was its first officer killed in the line of duty. He was married 2 weeks ago to a fellow DART officer.

- The videos where the shootings were witnessed was the college. Those white pillars were part of the college.

The yellow lines are the protest route, the white "Star" is where the shooting/s took place starting at 8:58pm Dallas time
(https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2016/07/08/dallas-shooting/b45ba1c9b5474ae8404cf0bb787963f0b2a9ec01/route-720.jpg)

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on July 08, 2016, 09:13:31 AM
I just woke up so I do not have all the details, but the parking garage standoff, ended up with the shooter being blown up by his own bomb after police detonated it?

EDIT: "We saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was," Brown said. "Other options would have exposed our officers to grave danger. The suspect is deceased as a result of detonating the bomb." Is that even legal to put a bomb on a robot and blow a guy up??


- New Numbers:12 officers shot, 5 deceased, 2 civilians shot, 1 dead bad guy, 3 people in custody/POI
- None of the remaining injured officers injured last night in critical condition at this time. All expected to recover.

Cedar

I heard that a FLASH-Bang grenade was used and badguy shot himself.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 08, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
From my vantage point I don't see any slam dunk that these guys had to have any special training or were terribly proficient.  They very well may have been, but I have seen Podunk insurgents in Iraq that sucked at life pull this kind of thing off.  Select good positions and use a weapon that is lethal and very capable at the range selected and you are going to do well long enough to inflict casualties.

I was thinking about this this morning. Last night I was thinking 'wow, these guys could be pros' but today I don't believe that is the only option. I'm a regular civilian with no military training and even I know to put tactics like that together. A little planning and checking out the area and I could probably have executed something similar. A little internet research and documentaries and anyone with half a brain could have put this together.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: surfivor on July 08, 2016, 09:33:29 AM

 They killed one sniper who was a recluse and acted alone but 3 other un named individuals are in custody but they have not released the names or any info on these three people ? How many shooters where there ? Are they going to say in the end it was just one guy did the whole thing ?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 09:50:42 AM
They killed one sniper who was a recluse and acted alone but 3 other un named individuals are in custody but they have not released the names or any info on these three people ? How many shooters where there ? Are they going to say in the end it was just one guy did the whole thing ?

Los Angeles Times"
The garage shooter has been ID's as the suspect, who was identified as Micah X. Johnson, 25, a resident of the Dallas area, two U.S. law enforcement officials said. Johnson had no known criminal history or ties to terror groups, the official said, and has relatives in Mesquite, Texas, which is just east of Dallas.The official said federal agents were assisting Dallas authorities in the investigation. Authorities believe Johnson belonged to an informal gun club and took copious amounts of target practice, according to a law enforcement official.

Some sources show him in military uniform, and say he is a ARMY veteran. Some sources say he served in the U.S. Army Reserve.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 09:59:51 AM
Four of the officers killed are from the Dallas Police Department. The fifth victim, Officer David Thompson, worked for the Dallas Area Rapid Transit (DART) authority’s police department.

A second victim was identified by family members as Dallas Officer Patrick Zamarripa.
The other officers have not yet been identified publicly and Dallas Police Chief David Brown said they are working to notify families of the victims.
One wounded officer has been identified as DART Officer Misty McBride. She is expected to survive.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: surfivor on July 08, 2016, 10:06:25 AM
It was on various websites that there where multiple snipers and 3 or 4 people in custody but that is all changing as the news never even mentioned it on the radio
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 08, 2016, 10:09:06 AM
Here is some info on Johnson
http://popularmilitary.com/dallas-shooting-suspect-u-s-army-veteran/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: surfivor on July 08, 2016, 10:32:10 AM

 I thought if he was a sniper, he would have been on the roof .. but these videos show the guy running around on the ground and an officer being shot at point blank .. The fox news headline here says two snipers .. Also, I am not sure who is filming the video from the roof ?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5027266784001/warning-graphic-video-armed-suspect-attacks-dallas-police/?#sp=show-clips

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1410697/shocking-video-shows-dallas-shooting-gunman-blasting-hero-cop-in-the-back-as-he-took-on-snipers/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 10:49:16 AM
.. Also, I am not sure who is filming the video from the roof ?

There are two good videos..
Ishmeal deJesus's video is the one which is at the higher elevation.
Michael Bautista's video is the one at ground level.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: ncjeeper on July 08, 2016, 12:08:02 PM
Is that even legal to put a bomb on a robot and blow a guy up??
If deadly force is justified then you use whatever you got to stop the threat. In this case blowing the guy up was the best option.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 08, 2016, 12:12:35 PM
If deadly force is justified then you use whatever you got to stop the threat. In this case blowing the guy up was the best option.

Was the "bomb"  something the cops had in their arsenal, or was it actually an IED-like bomb that one of the suspects allegedly had deployed some where at the scene?

I've heard conflicting accounts, but I must admit blowing up the bad guy with his own bomb is the stuff of 1980's action movies.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: surfivor on July 08, 2016, 12:45:55 PM
Was the "bomb"  something the cops had in their arsenal, or was it actually an IED-like bomb that one of the suspects allegedly had deployed some where at the scene?

I've heard conflicting accounts, but I must admit blowing up the bad guy with his own bomb is the stuff of 1980's action movies.

 My mother thought it odd that a bomb was involved and no one had mentioned that or it raised no questions. Why break down the door of someone who didn't pay their water bill when you can just explode the house ? Not to be funny but I am not sure where that could lead except greater militarization of course
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
If deadly force is justified then you use whatever you got to stop the threat. In this case blowing the guy up was the best option.

I actually do not have an issue blowing up bad guys, or shooting them, or napalm or whatever they need to do if they are in a situation like this, to take the problem out.. but my thought was, "is this going to become common practice?"

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 01:27:14 PM
Was the "bomb"  something the cops had in their arsenal,

Yes, the bomb squad made/had it and put it on a robot to present it to the bad guy.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: PrepperJim on July 08, 2016, 01:38:49 PM
To me, the robot-born bomb had to be preplanned and tested. Otherwise, if something went wrong (too much boom, failure to boom) there would be political fallout over untested SWAT methods.

Wasn't there an indictment where police used a short-range EMP to disrupt suspected bombs in the vicinity? If police have EMP and IED capability, that is a significant development.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: surfivor on July 08, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
I actually do not have an issue blowing up bad guys, or shooting them, or napalm or whatever they need to do if they are in a situation like this, to take the problem out.. but my thought was, "is this going to become common practice?"

Cedar

 I think weapons of war and warfare are supposed to be totally different from law enforcement otherwise pretty soon we could have a war going on domestically in theory or at some point. That may not make any sense but not all wars make sense anyway
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 08, 2016, 03:06:37 PM
Here's a short article and picture of the bomb-robot: http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/dallas-police-department-lethal-robot/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 08, 2016, 03:08:37 PM
I think weapons of war and warfare are supposed to be totally different from law enforcement otherwise pretty soon we could have a war going on domestically in theory or at some point. That may not make any sense but not all wars make sense anyway

That ship has long ago sailed my friend...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 03:17:15 PM
Here's a short article and picture of the bomb-robot: http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/dallas-police-department-lethal-robot/

So much for "The Three Laws of Robotics". Wonder how Sonny feels about that.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Wild Colonial Boy on July 08, 2016, 03:25:53 PM
So much for "The Three Laws of Robotics". Wonder how Sonny feels about that.

Cedar

Cedar, I don't think the "three laws" count for "remote controlled""vehicles'.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 03:34:40 PM
Cedar, I don't think the "three laws" count for "remote controlled""vehicles'.

True that...

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on July 08, 2016, 04:56:46 PM
Dallas mayor says AR-15 used by the shooter.  Makes sense that an Army Reservist would be able to utilize a weapon like that to the effect he did.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 08, 2016, 04:59:23 PM
We call it a robot, but by some measures the robot was actually an unmanned ground vehicle.  Robot is often used to indicate a mechanical device with some sort of onboard decision making ability.

EOD units always have explosives on hand.  Many times, the safest way to dispose of bombs or found ordnance is by using explosives to conduct a "controlled detonation" (which is setting off a device on your own terms) or using an explosion to make another explosive device work differently than intended (an extreme case would be using explosive to destroy the explosive lenses on a nuclear device, merely causing a large, messy, conventional explosion rather than a fission reaction (a nuclear explosion)).

It takes almost no time and effort to build a bomb and bomb robots have arms on them friggin designed to pick up and carry bombs.  I haven't had a class in over a decade but give me access to purpose build explosive supplies (military explosive, blasting caps, det cord and detonation devices) and I remember how to make one.

It has been a horrible day for Dallas for Dallas PD.  But the bomb squad got to live the dream.
Incident Commander:  Get me Bob the Bomb Squad Guy
Bob: Yeah boss? Got something for me to disarm?
IC:  Bob, I want you to build a bomb to get this mook.  Are you up to it?
Bob: *excited* Sir, I got this!
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: xxdabroxx on July 08, 2016, 05:02:20 PM
Ban all the things. 

Did you guys see the link I posted to the scanner audio of the Castile shooting?  Cop pulled them over seemingly without just cause, part of the reason was the size of Castile's nose.  Definitely not profiling.  A person should be free to travel without fear of being harassed by a cop that doesn't like the way you look.  The shootings that have happened since certainly aren't doing anything to help that cause however. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 05:18:22 PM
Huge protest happening right now in Atlanta. 5 states had police targeted at protests last night, and Dallas was one of them.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on July 08, 2016, 05:54:20 PM
CNN is reporting this:

*  The gunman killed during the Dallas standoff was the lone shooter in the deaths of five officers [www.cnn.com], said
    Mayor Mike Rawlings. ?We believe now that the city is safe,? he said.
 *  At the same news conference, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott urged vigilance: ?What will be important is to ensure that there
    are no other potential co-conspirators."
 *  Investigators identified the dead shooter as 25-year-old Micah Xavier Johnson [www.cnn.com] of Mesquite, Texas, a
    military veteran who served in Afghanistan.
 *  Police said they searched Johnson?s home and found bomb-making materials, ballistic vests, rifles, ammunition and a
    personal journal of combat tactics.
 *  Johnson had at least two weapons with him during the attack, a rifle and a handgun, two law enforcement officials told
    CNN's Evan Perez and Shimon Prokupecz. One of the officials said the long gun was an SKS, a Russian-designed
    semi-automatic rifle.
 *  People across the United States are planning to come together [www.cnn.com] Friday and this weekend in reaction to
    back-to-back police shootings caught on video this week, and also in reaction to Thursday night's Dallas attack at a
    protest against those police shootings.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on July 08, 2016, 05:58:04 PM
an SKS? he had other rifles and he used an SKS? Seriously?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 08, 2016, 06:05:23 PM
an SKS? he had other rifles and he used an SKS? Seriously?


Was it for the long range accuracy or the quick magazine reload times?   ::)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 06:17:31 PM
- Thousands of people gathered outside of the CNN Center in Atlanta to protest recent police shootings. It might get moved to its own thread, but it is due to this last incident that I put it here

LIVE FEEDS ATLANTA:
http://www.wsbtv.com/live-stream
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153512957842493
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1mnGenRvjdZJX

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 08, 2016, 06:44:40 PM
an SKS? he had other rifles and he used an SKS? Seriously?
Who does that?

*rifle snob sniffs disdainful with pinky finger extended*
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Polar Bear on July 08, 2016, 07:12:04 PM
- Thousands of people gathered outside of the CNN Center in Atlanta to protest recent police shootings. It might get moved to its own thread, but it is due to this last incident that I put it here

LIVE FEEDS ATLANTA:
http://www.wsbtv.com/live-stream
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153512957842493
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1mnGenRvjdZJX

Cedar

So far it seems peaceful.  Thanks for the livestream links.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: PrepperJim on July 08, 2016, 07:25:06 PM
I was surprised the Orlando shooter used a Sig MCX which is a $2000+ gun (never heard of it before).  I guess if one is prepared to die, then money is no object. Not sure the price of the gun made a difference in the outcome.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: PrepperJim on July 08, 2016, 07:41:06 PM
EOD units always have explosives on hand.  Many times, the safest way to dispose of bombs or found ordnance is by using explosives to conduct a "controlled detonation" (which is setting off a device on your own terms) or using an explosion to make another explosive device work differently than intended (an extreme case would be using explosive to destroy the explosive lenses on a nuclear device, merely causing a large, messy, conventional explosion rather than a fission reaction (a nuclear explosion)).

It takes almost no time and effort to build a bomb and bomb robots have arms on them friggin designed to pick up and carry bombs.  I haven't had a class in over a decade but give me access to purpose build explosive supplies (military explosive, blasting caps, det cord and detonation devices) and I remember how to make one.

It has been a horrible day for Dallas for Dallas PD.  But the bomb squad got to live the dream.
Incident Commander:  Get me Bob the Bomb Squad Guy
Bob: Yeah boss? Got something for me to disarm?
IC:  Bob, I want you to build a bomb to get this mook.  Are you up to it?
Bob: *excited* Sir, I got this!

This is a great point and I was totally wrong earlier when I posted about testing such a device. I realize that I live in a protected, mental bubble and have never had to deal with this sort of situation. I have almost no imagination for the sorts of scenarios that police and military are prepared for nor the imagination for the depths that people will sink to in their depravity.

To be frank, this will be one of my biggest weaknesses if the excrement ever finds its way into a high velocity propeller blade. I am mentally unprepared for the lengths that people will go to feed themselves or their children nor the level of violence that people are prepared to commit.  I really don't know if there is any mental preparation available that could suffice, outside of being in the military or law enforcement (I have neither experience). I guess this is another thread entirely.....
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on July 08, 2016, 08:01:19 PM
Where is this SKS thing coming from?  All my searches (plus the TV) are saying AR15.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 08:11:02 PM
So far it seems peaceful.  Thanks for the livestream links.

Growing to ~5,000 people now. It is only 10pm there, it will grow yet. I think protests will grow all over the US this weekend, from past history from other protests I have been watching since 2010.

I started a new thread on the Atlanta March http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=58312.0

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on July 08, 2016, 09:43:10 PM
Where is this SKS thing coming from?  All my searches (plus the TV) are saying AR15.
CNN claimed it was an sks...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 08, 2016, 09:48:09 PM
CNN claimed it was an sks...

Not me  ;D

Cedar - formerly of the Cedar News Network
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 08, 2016, 11:23:49 PM
This is a great point and I was totally wrong earlier when I posted about testing such a device. I realize that I live in a protected, mental bubble and have never had to deal with this sort of situation. I have almost no imagination for the sorts of scenarios that police and military are prepared for nor the imagination for the depths that people will sink to in their depravity.

To be frank, this will be one of my biggest weaknesses if the excrement ever finds its way into a high velocity propeller blade. I am mentally unprepared for the lengths that people will go to feed themselves or their children nor the level of violence that people are prepared to commit.  I really don't know if there is any mental preparation available that could suffice, outside of being in the military or law enforcement (I have neither experience). I guess this is another thread entirely.....

Don't be so hard on yourself.  We're each here to learn...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 09, 2016, 12:13:27 AM
Are they 'sure' it's only one shooter? The audio from the videos I watched sounded like two distinct firing reports with some shots right on top of each other...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 09, 2016, 12:32:32 AM
Are they 'sure' it's only one shooter? The audio from the videos I watched sounded like two distinct firing reports with some shots right on top of each other...

Were the police not shooting back? I heard two kinds of guns. One was like a Boom and one was like a Pop. And yes, I know it is obvious I don't know my firearms.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on July 09, 2016, 03:18:04 AM
Were the police not shooting back? I heard two kinds of guns. One was like a Boom and one was like a Pop. And yes, I know it is obvious I don't know my firearms.

Cedar

ECHOS from the buildings..
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 09, 2016, 07:11:13 AM
ECHOS from the buildings..

I get that there were echos, but I didn't think they sounded consistent enough to be only one firearm.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 09, 2016, 08:33:26 AM
ECHOS from the buildings..

I get that there were echos, but I didn't think they sounded consistent enough to be only one firearm.

Yeah, I was trying to disregard the echoes. I still do not think those ones which are more of a 'pop' are echos. I just listened to the deJesus video again.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: PrepperJim on July 09, 2016, 09:26:21 AM
Now they are saying the guy was a former member of the New Black Panther Party of HOUSTON where I live.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/report-2-officers-shot-at-dallas-protest

*Sigh* And here I was going to downplay the effects of these events in Houston given this town's record of stability and good relationships between whites, blacks and Hispanics along with very little reaction to racially-charged events. I guess I need to wake up to another reality situation.

4GW here we come. Time to read up on my Bracken and Forward Observer.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 09, 2016, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: PrepperJim link=topic=48946.msg685798#msg685798 date=1468077981

4GW here we come. Time to read up on my Bracken and Forward Observer.
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Funny, how many of us have parallel interactions using our real names on Facebook.  ;)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Greekman on July 09, 2016, 10:42:45 AM
4GW here we come. Time to read up on my Bracken and Forward Observer.

PJ, if by Forward Observer you mean this https://readfomag.com/, I know it.
But what is Bracken?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Ms. Albatross on July 09, 2016, 11:28:13 AM
PJ, if by Forward Observer you mean this https://readfomag.com/, I know it.
But what is Bracken?

It might refer to author Matthew Bracken
Enemies Foreign and Domestic and its sequels
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: PrepperJim on July 09, 2016, 03:43:42 PM
PJ, if by Forward Observer you mean this https://readfomag.com/, I know it.
But what is Bracken?

I was making a vague reference to his CW2 cube. The article is here:

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: The Dark Unicorn on July 09, 2016, 04:53:48 PM
Apparently in the last 5 minutes a credible threat against the DPD, SWAT is activated and it's all situated around the parking lot....
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 09, 2016, 07:56:09 PM
Apparently in the last 5 minutes a credible threat against the DPD, SWAT is activated and it's all situated around the parking lot....

Is that Dallas?

Dallas police officers searched for hours for a suspicious person in the parking garage at their headquarters Saturday, the department tweeted.
The search yielded no suspects or strange items, the department said.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-ambush-investigation/index.html

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 09, 2016, 07:57:58 PM
Is that Dallas?

Cedar


Yep.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 09, 2016, 08:01:21 PM
All clear, no suspects found in Dallas.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: PrepperJim on July 09, 2016, 10:06:27 PM
It was reported that the threat to Dallas PD came from a Houston group.

**Sigh** My city of Houston who has, so far, avoided such radicalism is being drawn into the circle. Goodness, gracious.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: iam4liberty on July 10, 2016, 08:23:36 AM
an SKS? he had other rifles and he used an SKS? Seriously?

From the recent news articles his "stockpile" has shrunk considerably from earlier reports.  So it msy be the SKS was the only rifle he owned.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-shooting-20160709-snap-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-shooting-20160709-snap-story.html)

Investigators believe that he had assembled an arsenal of bomb-making materials, five handguns and a semi-automatic SKS assault rifle within the last two years, according to a federal law enforcement official who was not authorized to speak publicly about the case. The first three handguns were purchased in September 2014, the officer said.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on July 10, 2016, 08:54:34 AM
ARSENAL??? I have more (many times more) than that in my collection.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on July 10, 2016, 09:44:59 AM
ARSENAL??? I have HAD more (many times more) than that in my collection.  Before it was lost in that boating accident.

fixed it for you.   ;D
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 10, 2016, 11:18:57 AM
What a coincidence, that very same thing happened to me...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: ncjeeper on July 10, 2016, 11:39:44 AM
You guys need to stop boating.  ;)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: PrepperJim on July 10, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
My boat sank under the weight of my piddly gun and ammo stores too. Who would have thunk it?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 10, 2016, 03:07:13 PM
Someone is going to investigate the disproportionate number of boating incidences among preppers.
I"m just sayin...

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lKliNgynilA/Up_K5ZLb8gI/AAAAAAAAAQk/Nx2C6Zky0MQ/s1600/Nod-and-a-wink-glass.jpg)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 10, 2016, 05:55:04 PM
I don't even own a boat and i had a boating incident... ::)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Polar Bear on July 10, 2016, 07:39:18 PM
Someone is going to investigate the disproportionate number of boating incidences among preppers.
I"m just sayin...

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lKliNgynilA/Up_K5ZLb8gI/AAAAAAAAAQk/Nx2C6Zky0MQ/s1600/Nod-and-a-wink-glass.jpg)

Well with all the prepping we do, who has time to learn how to sail?   ;D
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Jeremy Downing on July 11, 2016, 06:41:35 AM
What a coincidence, that very same thing happened to me...

Gah! frigging boats. Why do I keep taking all my firearms out there only to lose them at the bottom of a lake!
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 11, 2016, 01:39:48 PM
Policeman just shot outside Berrien County Michigan court house. Apparently the one casualty so far no news if anyone in custody.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 11, 2016, 01:52:10 PM
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Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 11, 2016, 01:56:56 PM
CNN has a caller on saying that two court clerks were killed and more shots are coming from third floor. Apparently still an active shooter situation. None of that is confirmed by law I forcemeat.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: PrepperJim on July 11, 2016, 03:15:04 PM
Pictures of the Dallas shooter's SKS:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/10/report-micah-johnson-scrawled-black-revolutionary-message-blood/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29

There were rumors of a picture of him at a Sandra Bland protest northeast of Houston last year. If that is indeed him (and it is hard to tell), he had an AR variant there.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/07/08/confirmed-dallas-shooter-member-houston-new-black-panther-party/

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: xxdabroxx on July 11, 2016, 03:21:04 PM
Looks a lot more like an AK variant to me. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 11, 2016, 03:38:06 PM
Could we make a Dallas thread and post there, since there is another current event?

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 11, 2016, 04:15:06 PM
Thank you Cedar. In Michigan the were two court Bailiffs killed and the shooter. A sheriffs deputy was injured. A civilian was shot and several others are in stable condition at the hospital. They may have injuries from trying to escape the shooting. The media does not know yet. Speculation is the shooter took a deputy's pistol but no official statement yet.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on July 14, 2016, 04:16:40 PM
From http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691019/Several-people-injured-truck-crashes-crowd-Bastille-Day-celebrations-Nice.html#ixzz4EQL0RPnZ

BREAKING NEWS: At least 50 feared dead and shots fired as lorry RAMS into crowd celebrating Bastille Day in Nice leaving bodies strewn across the road in suspected Terror attack

At least 50 people are feared dead and 150 have been injured in a Bastille Day attack in Nice, southern France
Eyewitnesses reported a gunfight between police responding to the attack and suspects at the scene
Gunmen are believed to have taken hostages in a hotel and a restaurant in the city
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 14, 2016, 04:34:23 PM
Some reports are now saying 60. Photos comng out are horrible.ISIS taking credit

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 14, 2016, 04:58:04 PM
Some reports are now saying 60. Photos comng out are horrible.ISIS taking credit

Cedar

That's pretty low resource terror.  One motivated bad guy with a big truck, and a crowd of people distracted (looking at fireworks).

I read there's a potential hostage situation in an area hotel?  Any more on this?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 14, 2016, 05:00:01 PM
Yes, I heard ongoing hostages, but they say info pending. They are probably on delay on purpose

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 14, 2016, 05:25:29 PM
The Daily telegraph now reports 73 dead and about 100 wounded. 1 shooter dead and possibly one other still on the loose.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: iam4liberty on July 14, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
Anyone else remember this thread: http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=52871.msg612142#msg612142 (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=52871.msg612142#msg612142)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 14, 2016, 05:44:55 PM
Sad... :(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 14, 2016, 05:47:56 PM
AP and other media saying truck had explosives, grenades, Guns and other such things on it

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 14, 2016, 05:49:46 PM
That's pretty low resource terror.  One motivated bad guy with a big truck, and a crowd of people distracted (looking at fireworks).


It happened on the Vegas Strip several months ago.  Not technically terrorist related (girl with mental health and relationship issues), and the damage wasn't quite as bad (no guns or explosives), but she killed one person and injured more than three dozen more just by driving up on the sidewalk.  It's actually a very easy target.


So sad, though.  Very disturbing.  Can we reboot 2016?  Turn it off, then try turning it back on again?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on July 14, 2016, 05:51:27 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 14, 2016, 05:59:55 PM
They say he acted alone, our administration would call him a loan wolf, however no Jihadi's, lone wolf or otherwise ever truly acts alone.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 15, 2016, 01:02:31 AM
Current: The death toll rose to at least 84 people, including children, with around 20 more critically injured, the interior ministry said Friday.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: David in MN on July 15, 2016, 06:19:37 AM
Very disappointing. But when I visited Nice a decade ago we were warned which parts of the city had issues with race riots. It's odd under the strict definition of terrorism because the entire Riviera region has little political clout but it is one bastion of culture.

Sad. It makes me nervous. The French historically don't put up with patterns like this. We think of them as mild mannered wine drinkers but there's that Foreign Legion thing...
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Greekman on July 15, 2016, 07:34:00 AM
Smewhere,s oemtime I read ananalysis why France is gettign the lion's share fo terrorist attacks. It claimed it had to do with the wya foreigners/muslims are not assimilate as well as the Uk.
Also we should not forget that there are muslim french citizen coming from the former French colonies. that took alot of bloodshed to gain their independence. (may terorsists wereof Algerian or Tynysian anchestry)

Also,....I heard a very interesting obeservation today on the radio.
That all ISIS terrorsist attacks in Europe targeted western expressions of Joy (Charlie hebo, The Batclan concert Hall, the Cosmopolitan crowded Riviera.
which seems to be incompatie with the muslim extremism and the destiny of its followers

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 15, 2016, 08:09:27 AM
Also,....I heard a very interesting obeservation today on the radio.
That all ISIS terrorsist attacks in Europe targeted western expressions of Joy (Charlie hebo, The Batclan concert Hall, the Cosmopolitan crowded Riviera.
That theory doesn't seem to follow.

Airports and train stations (Belgium) are not expressions of joy.  Attacks on police and military service members (such as the Toulon shootings or the LEO and his wife that were stabbed to death recently) are not attacks on expressions of joy.  A grocery store is not an expression of joy (in the Paris area).  For that matter, Charlie Hebdo propper is not either.  Its a satirical newspaper, which may be enjoyed by many of its readers but does not seem to qualify as an expression of joy for the west.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: osubuckeye4 on July 15, 2016, 08:30:13 AM
That theory doesn't seem to follow.

Airports and train stations (Belgium) are not expressions of joy.  Attacks on police and military service members (such as the Toulon shootings or the LEO and his wife that were stabbed to death recently) are not attacks on expressions of joy.  A grocery store is not an expression of joy (in the Paris area).  For that matter, Charlie Hebdo propper is not either.  Its a satirical newspaper, which may be enjoyed by many of its readers but does not seem to qualify as an expression of joy for the west.

Beat me to it.


There's not really a trend at all.

I think part of that is by design, but I think another part of it is that some of these attacks are truly lone wolf. By lone wolf, I mean that there's no specific order issued for that specific attack. I'm guessing that some of these attacks are a surprise to ISIS leadership when they occur.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: PrepperJim on July 15, 2016, 08:57:42 AM
My wife never watches the news so she relies on me to alert her when something major happens. I saw this one last night before I went to bed, but did not want to inform her. I am just tired of telling her to look at the news after these events, which seem to be accelerating in frequency. 

A week after the Dallas shooting, she had an event in downtown Houston to attend. I had to monitor local news and blogs to see if a protest or other civil unrest was planned (it was not). Regardless, I warned her and her friends to be careful and keep their eyes open for trouble. I guess that is the world we live in now.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 15, 2016, 09:17:16 AM
That all ISIS terrorsist attacks in Europe targeted western expressions of Joy (Charlie hebo, The Batclan concert Hall, the Cosmopolitan crowded Riviera.
which seems to be incompatie with the muslim extremism and the destiny of its followers
My take is their targets are crowded venues.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 15, 2016, 09:21:03 AM
ISIS has promoted wannabe Jihadists to use whatever weapons they have to kill the infidels. The person who drove the truck was a Tunisian who was a French citizen. He was a professional truck driver, newly divorced and losing custody of his 3 children. He is said to have been a loner, wife abuser and not a member of a local mosque. He seems to have followed ISIS's instructions very well while committing suicide by cop. I think this is exactly the type of lone wolf that ISIS hopes to shake out of the woodwork to make headlin s for them.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 15, 2016, 09:59:24 AM
Current news:

- At least 84 people are dead, including 10 children
- 202 were injured, 52 remain in critical condition, 25 are in intensive care

- The attacker was known by the police and legal system because of threats, violence and petty theft between 2010 and 2016
He had been condemned on 24 March 2016, and been sentenced by a court, there was a prison sentence of six months for voluntary violence with a weapon in January 2016

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 16, 2016, 07:52:38 AM
- Five people believed to be linked to the man who killed 84 people in Nice are in police custody, the Paris prosecutor's office says.

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: iam4liberty on July 16, 2016, 10:06:36 AM
This one is thoroughly confusing.  One part of media says he was part of terrorist group, the truck was full of rifles/grenades, and they are actively seeking others who were going to be involved in second, hostage taking stage.  Another part says he acted alone, only had a pistol, and the rifles/grenades were "replicas".  If replicas, it makes me wonder if this was yet another sting operation gone bad.  That is, undercover police provided fake weapons for delivery as part of sting and he realized it and switched to plan B, using truck as the weapon. I hope we get clarity soon.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Wild Colonial Boy on July 16, 2016, 10:23:13 AM
That theory doesn't seem to follow.

Airports and train stations (Belgium) are not expressions of joy.  Attacks on police and military service members (such as the Toulon shootings or the LEO and his wife that were stabbed to death recently) are not attacks on expressions of joy.  A grocery store is not an expression of joy (in the Paris area).  For that matter, Charlie Hebdo propper is not either.  Its a satirical newspaper, which may be enjoyed by many of its readers but does not seem to qualify as an expression of joy for the west.

Concur.  The 300+ Iraqi's killed on 3 Jul 16 were also not participating in "Western" activities, they were killed for shopping and dining the the busy Karrada District during the one of the holiest of period of Islamic year.  I think it boils down to opportunity and being soft targets.

Not to many ISIS members seem ready to step up to the plate and attack Western or other military bases....hmm I wonder why!
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Greekman on July 16, 2016, 10:53:33 AM
I thnk it does....
Especially when you think they are being motivated by hatred towards the western civilisation.
To live under an oppressive religion does not mean that you don't lurk for the forbidden fruit. From a point on it turns to hate towards the "westerner haves" much like a spinster envies the spouse nextdoor with the 2 kids lively playing in the yard.
So while the crimes are light years apart, it is the same psychological mechanism.
That was my reasoning for saying they target the joy of life (joie de vie as the french call it)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 16, 2016, 11:20:42 AM
If they hate Westerners and joy and debauchery so much, I'm really stunned that they haven't yet made an attack in Vegas.  It's like the mascot for abandoning your ethics and partying.


Not that I'm complaining, but it's just kind of strange.


Maybe the population density, which is fairly low, doesn't have as much impact?  Maybe they don't realize how iconic the Strip is?  I don't know.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Morning Sunshine on July 16, 2016, 01:06:01 PM
When I am out driving, and I notice a flag at half-mast, I mentally stop and say a small prayer for the victims of the latest tragedy.  Today I started to do that and realized I did not even know for whom I am praying anymore.  They pile up and now it seems that I have not seem a flag at full mast for a week or more.  :'(
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Greekman on July 17, 2016, 06:13:46 AM
** conspiracy theory alert *** even if it comes from a good UK paper

Quote
Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel smuggled £84,000 to his family in Tunisia DAYS before murdering 84 in Nice
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3693227/Brother-reveals-violent-drug-crazed-ISIS-soldier-Mohamed-Lahouaiej-Bouhlel-smuggled-84-000-family-Tunisia-DAYS-murdering-84-Nice.html

Quote
Truck attacker “seemed to have been radicalized very quickly from what his friends and family” French minister says
http://www.timesofisrael.com/truck-attacker-radicalized-very-quickly-french-minister-says/




Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 17, 2016, 09:27:52 AM
Sunday 3 officers killed 7 shot in Baton Rouge. Ongoing at this time.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 17, 2016, 10:36:08 AM
Police spokesman reports 1 shooter killed they believe others involved and ask local public to report suspicious activities in the area. Ambush style shooting.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 17, 2016, 12:29:25 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if there was more than one however, a lot of multiple person incidents turn out to be one in the final analysis.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 17, 2016, 02:48:38 PM
MSNBC reports the dead shooter was Gavin Long from Kansas City, Mo. They are linking him to the sovereign citizen group! 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 17, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
It is interesting to watch what different things news agencies pass on depending on their point of view. MSNBC was quick to point out Gavin Longs association with the Sovereign citizen movement a "right wing" antigovernment group. Fox News picks up that he was African American with maybe marine corp training. No mention of right wing leanings. I am watching CNN right now to see what their spin is.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 17, 2016, 03:48:02 PM
MSNBC reports the dead shooter was Gavin Long from Kansas City, Mo. They are linking him to the sovereign citizen group!
I don't buy it.
I'm betting some liberal outlet on twitter fed the sovereign citizen line and others ran with it in order to deflect from BLM.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 17, 2016, 03:53:39 PM
I don't buy it.
I'm betting some liberal outlet on twitter fed the sovereign citizen line and others ran with it in order to deflect from BLM.
Why not? What will be will be, but weirder things have happened. Heck, with the disenchantment with the system he could be a black sovereign citizen.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 17, 2016, 03:59:40 PM
I don't know, it just doesn't pass the smell test to me.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 17, 2016, 04:00:35 PM
Kansas City Star article from a year ago.

The Moors. A black sovereign citizen group that has a branch in KC MO. Recognized as an anti-government group by SPLC.

  http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article32759247.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 17, 2016, 04:14:09 PM
Maximum freak out by society. The right will rail against black anti-cop violence, the left can scream about right wing hate and both will have a point.

That is what causes the social fabric to tear. Not when one side is right and the other wrong. Max chaos is the result of both sides being right.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 17, 2016, 04:26:28 PM
And some members of sovereign citizens groups in other parts of the country (like mine) have been known to plot LEO assassinations. 


While I can't vouch for the veracity of this particular case, it wouldn't be unheard of.

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: David in MN on July 17, 2016, 04:50:45 PM
Maximum freak out by society. The right will rail against black anti-cop violence, the left can scream about right wing hate and both will have a point.

That is what causes the social fabric to tear. Not when one side is right and the other wrong. Max chaos is the result of both sides being right.

Just amazing what 2 or 3 lunatics can accomplish as their actions are assumed to represent their entire ethnicity, political affiliation, or religion. Amazing how we don't lump guilt according to gender or state of residence or hair length or eye color....
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: PrepperJim on July 17, 2016, 04:58:09 PM
Separatist rhetoric is a staple of black nationalism. They often preach separating from the US and establishing a sovereign nation apart from the US. They want their "40 acres and a mule."

And this is their public rhetoric. I wonder what they discuss in private.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 17, 2016, 05:38:35 PM
Just amazing what 2 or 3 lunatics can accomplish as their actions are assumed to represent their entire ethnicity, political affiliation, or religion. Amazing how we don't lump guilt according to gender or state of residence or hair length or eye color....
I don't know what you are talking about, I totally blame you for all the socialist crap coming out of Minnesota

 ::)
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Polar Bear on July 17, 2016, 05:41:27 PM
Separatist rhetoric is a staple of black nationalism. They often preach separating from the US and establishing a sovereign nation apart from the US. They want their "40 acres and a mule."

And this is their public rhetoric. I wonder what they discuss in private.

Only some.  Only those that seek power in their own little nation/fiefdom.  The majority just want to go through life without hassle.  Many are leaving the inner city for the suburbs and see what drivel the separatists spew.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: I.L.W. on July 17, 2016, 06:52:48 PM
Not to change the topic, but can someone explain this nonsense to me? If, as the media has claimed, the motive of the shooter was in reciprocity for the assaults and murders of black men by police, why do these guys target random white cops? Why not go after the ones who actually killed black men? I fully understand the principal of revenge. It's "an eye for an eye" (or so we're told)... but that's not what this is.

This is "seven substituted eyes, chosen on the basis of approximate vocation and comparable levels of epidermal melanin present in their respective hosts, taken by proxy, by a man who still has both of his metaphorical eyes, yet out of empathy for someone he doesn't even know who lost an eye at the hands of yet another unrelated 3rd party who remains unaffected by this act of reciprocity for his actions." What F*ing sense does that make?

This is why these types of guys leave behind 4,000 page manifestos. It takes that much to explain their reasoning. I try to mentally evaluate reasoning with the visualization of a sequential logic diagram (like a flow chart). My brain is melting trying to conceptualize this. This is an open appeal to everyone here: if you ever go bat-shit crazy and head out on a shooting rampage, please in your manifesto, leave me a flow chart that explains your decision making process.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 17, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
It wasn't quite random. This is a KC resident that targeted the department accused of killing a black man in anot her state. Trying to find the officers involved would have generated a signature that likely would have gotten him caught before doing whatever he intended to do.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 17, 2016, 07:42:54 PM
Gavin Eugene Long at one time was a Nation of Islam member, however in a video he posted on YouTube, he claims he's not a member of any outside organization.

Quote
“Yeah, I also was a Nation of Islam member. Don’t affiliate me with it. Don’t affiliate me with anything.”

https://youtu.be/CEIg4jc6Bqc

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/17/baton-rouge-shooter-gavin-eugene-long-was-nation-of-islam-member-railed-against-crackers-on-youtube-channel-video/
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: David in MN on July 17, 2016, 09:48:58 PM
I don't know what you are talking about, I totally blame you for all the socialist crap coming out of Minnesota

 ::)

Brother, if you knew the half of it.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Wild Colonial Boy on July 17, 2016, 11:23:28 PM
Not to change the topic, but can someone explain this nonsense to me? If, as the media has claimed, the motive of the shooter was in reciprocity for the assaults and murders of black men by police, why do these guys target random white cops? Why not go after the ones who actually killed black men? I fully understand the principal of revenge. It's "an eye for an eye" (or so we're told)... but that's not what this is.

.......

I don't think that the shooters in Dallas and Baton Rouge deliberately targeted "White Police"rather just Police.  If you look at the ethnic breakdown of the police killed it seems to be a reasonable representation of the population as a whole...White, Black, Hispanic etc.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 18, 2016, 08:03:14 AM
why do these guys target random white cops? Why not go after the ones who actually killed black men?

I would think they have gone onto Admin leave and hidden somewhere (and their families), and not easy to get to.

Cedar

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 21, 2016, 10:27:20 AM
Update on Bastille day truck attack.

Quote
The Bastille Day truck attack had been planned for 'several months' and terrorist Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel had 'support and accomplices' before he killed 84 people in Nice, a prosecutor has revealed.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3701122/Kalashnikov-rifle-ammunition-French-police-basement-man-Bastille-Day-attacker-sent-text-messages-minutes-massacre-five-suspects-appear-court.html
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: bcksknr on July 21, 2016, 04:07:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html


     Miami cop shoots unarmed blackman lying on his back with empty hands raised trying to explain he is a behavioral therapist attempting to retrieve an autistic patient. Cops were responding to a "citizen" 911 that an erratic man with a gun was attempting suicide. The autistic patient had apparently walked away from a treatment center, holding a toy truck (gun??). After several minutes of the therapist trying to explain and also calm down his patient, one cop shot him. When asked why he shot, the cop said he didn't know. Just another reason why I fear cops more than the "bad" guys, then again I don't have to worry, i'm a white guy.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: David in MN on July 21, 2016, 04:20:09 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/us/miami-officer-involved-shooting/index.html)


     Miami cop shoots unarmed blackman lying on his back with empty hands raised trying to explain he is a behavioral therapist attempting to retrieve an autistic patient. Cops were responding to a "citizen" 911 that an erratic man with a gun was attempting suicide. The autistic patient had apparently walked away from a treatment center, holding a toy truck (gun??). After several minutes of the therapist trying to explain and also calm down his patient, one cop shot him. When asked why he shot, the cop said he didn't know. Just another reason why I fear cops more than the "bad" guys, then again I don't have to worry, i'm a white guy.

Yeah, impossible to know all the details but it looks bad. Seems like a catch 22 these days. Citizen gets shot, lunatic murders police, police get a little jumpy, rinse and repeat. It's a positive feedback loop based on a self fulfilling prophecy. I don't know how to break the cycle.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 21, 2016, 05:50:30 PM
I'm generally supportive of cops, and generally accept that a only small minority are bad.

So given that, what I'd like to see is the good majority drop this frat-boy BS and kick out the few bad ones. 

If I shot someone under similar circumstances, I would likely face 2nd degree murder charges, but would plead down to manslaughter, etc.

I'll buy a round of beer if this cop even gets fired permanently.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: FreeLancer on July 21, 2016, 06:28:29 PM
So given that, what I'd like to see is the good majority drop this frat-boy BS and kick out the few bad ones. 

As long as there are police unions, it won't happen.  Unions are the masters of making sure the dregs of their members get the same pay and treatment as the cream of the crop.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: bcksknr on July 21, 2016, 07:01:27 PM
     On the evening news, the union rep said that the officer was trying to save a life and his shot went astray. I guess that means that he was trying to shoot the autistic man holding the toy truck (another cop can be heard shouting in the video "He's loading his weapon") and all of the three shots fired missed him, but one hit the therapist in the leg. I'm not much for litigation, but I hope the therapist sues the hell out of everyone remotely connected with this tragic farce. I ask myself these days if our Presidential candidates are really the best that the nation has to offer? Now I have to ask if these cops and the system that hires and trains them is really the best we can get?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: RitaRose1945 on July 21, 2016, 08:33:30 PM

This.

I'm generally supportive of cops, and generally accept that a only small minority are bad.

So given that, what I'd like to see is the good majority drop this frat-boy BS and kick out the few bad ones. 

If I shot someone under similar circumstances, I would likely face 2nd degree murder charges, but would plead down to manslaughter, etc.

I'll buy a round of beer if this cop even gets fired permanently.


And this.


     On the evening news, the union rep said that the officer was trying to save a life and his shot went astray. I guess that means that he was trying to shoot the autistic man holding the toy truck (another cop can be heard shouting in the video "He's loading his weapon") and all of the three shots fired missed him, but one hit the therapist in the leg. I'm not much for litigation, but I hope the therapist sues the hell out of everyone remotely connected with this tragic farce. I ask myself these days if our Presidential candidates are really the best that the nation has to offer? Now I have to ask if these cops and the system that hires and trains them is really the best we can get?


I know some really amazing, protective, decent human being cops.


And I know some real assholes.  I even had one literally tell me he'd break a window and drag a guy out through it at a DUI checkpoint because "Civil rights?  You have no civil rights!"


I would love for the amazing ones to get tough on the assholes.  I get the whole "brotherhood" thing, and I know unions protect the crappy ones just as hard (if not harder) as the good ones (been there, done that).  But it still gets me irate.  We're talking about the lives of HUMANS here!
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: David in MN on July 21, 2016, 09:24:19 PM
I'm generally antagonistic toward police. I've had a warrant wrongfully issued for my arrest due to the state of California claiming I was a dead beat dad who owed $40k in child support because I have a common name. My wife has has had a warrant for her arrest due to a data copy malfunction in a small town. Both times the police were perfectly happy to threaten us with imprisonment and (in my wife's case) refused to leave us alone without either her in shackles or $300 bail. In short, if I hired a security team to protect me and they performed this way I would cease our business relationship immediately and file grievances with the BBB and Yelp.

It doesn't mean the police are always wrong, but my past experience counts for something. They don't even apologize in the "we were wrong" form letter. Now we're a middle class white family. I can't imagine the antagonism of a kid who has seen dad, friends, and family do time for pot or being unable to mount a defense for other property crime.

If the police want the public to support them, they ought ask what would cause us to not support them. As I joked with my grandmother (who gets it) the police don't carry "distinguished citizen awards" amidst their guns, tasers, pepper spray, handcuffs, batons, etc.

Win me back. It's real easy. Catch the robbers and rapists. Return stolen property. Stop with the petty tickets that turn you into cash generators. Start telling the city that you aren't marriage counselors or the errand boy of the block nanny. Stop it with the speed traps on roads with rapidly changing limits. Start refusing to enforce BS laws. You are the thin blue line... between us and our corrupt government. If we believe you'd protect us from wrongful edicts you'd have all the support you ever need.

I'm not on board with the people who gun down police in the street. Here's a standard I apply broadly: It's wrong to kill (or hurt) a person who isn't a legitimate threat to your well being. Period. The second that rule gets broken, all bets are off.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Alan Georges on July 21, 2016, 09:43:16 PM
Win me back. It's real easy. Catch the robbers and rapists. Return stolen property. Stop with the petty tickets that turn you into cash generators. Start telling the city that you aren't marriage counselors or the errand boy of the block nanny. Stop it with the speed traps on roads with rapidly changing limits. Start refusing to enforce BS laws. You are the thin blue line... between us and our corrupt government. If we believe you'd protect us from wrongful edicts you'd have all the support you ever need.

I'm not on board with the people who gun down police in the street. Here's a standard I apply broadly: It's wrong to kill (or hurt) a person who isn't a legitimate threat to your well being. Period. The second that rule gets broken, all bets are off.

^^^this.  It's hard to see how anything good could come of today's news.  It was just such a bizarre incident.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Docwatmo on July 22, 2016, 05:48:12 AM
I'm generally antagonistic toward police. I've had a warrant wrongfully issued for my arrest due to the state of California claiming I was a dead beat dad who owed $40k in child support because I have a common name. My wife has has had a warrant for her arrest due to a data copy malfunction in a small town. Both times the police were perfectly happy to threaten us with imprisonment and (in my wife's case) refused to leave us alone without either her in shackles or $300 bail. In short, if I hired a security team to protect me and they performed this way I would cease our business relationship immediately and file grievances with the BBB and Yelp.

It doesn't mean the police are always wrong, but my past experience counts for something. They don't even apologize in the "we were wrong" form letter. Now we're a middle class white family. I can't imagine the antagonism of a kid who has seen dad, friends, and family do time for pot or being unable to mount a defense for other property crime.

If the police want the public to support them, they ought ask what would cause us to not support them. As I joked with my grandmother (who gets it) the police don't carry "distinguished citizen awards" amidst their guns, tasers, pepper spray, handcuffs, batons, etc.

Win me back. It's real easy. Catch the robbers and rapists. Return stolen property. Stop with the petty tickets that turn you into cash generators. Start telling the city that you aren't marriage counselors or the errand boy of the block nanny. Stop it with the speed traps on roads with rapidly changing limits. Start refusing to enforce BS laws. You are the thin blue line... between us and our corrupt government. If we believe you'd protect us from wrongful edicts you'd have all the support you ever need.

I'm not on board with the people who gun down police in the street. Here's a standard I apply broadly: It's wrong to kill (or hurt) a person who isn't a legitimate threat to your well being. Period. The second that rule gets broken, all bets are off.

Well said. 
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Carl on July 22, 2016, 06:13:28 AM
Our local sheriff just had a man in California arrested after the Cali man posted a photo of the sheriff and the statement "The next one to drop" along with Cali-man's photo with a gun....man had extensive 'history'  with Shreveport La LEO's.

Think before you post....
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on July 22, 2016, 08:36:40 AM
     On the evening news, the union rep said that the officer was trying to save a life and his shot went astray. I guess that means that he was trying to shoot the autistic man holding the toy truck (another cop can be heard shouting in the video "He's loading his weapon") and all of the three shots fired missed him, but one hit the therapist in the leg. I'm not much for litigation, but I hope the therapist sues the hell out of everyone remotely connected with this tragic farce. I ask myself these days if our Presidential candidates are really the best that the nation has to offer? Now I have to ask if these cops and the system that hires and trains them is really the best we can get?

maybe the police depts need to get glasses for their officers.. because the are blind if they think that truck is a gun and miss the target 3 times and hit the therapist once.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: osubuckeye4 on July 22, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
Call me a skeptic, but I really don't think that we're seeing a rise in "bad policing".

I think that body cams/dash cams/increased oversight and media exposure are simply exposing what has been the status quo for quite some time. The status quo being, that while the vast majority of cops do an adequate to good job on a daily basis... there have always been random one-off incidences where bad/undertrained cops do bad things. Generally those were swept under the rug in the past because it was easier to do so.

Eh... maybe there is a slight uptick this year, just due to the increased media exposure flaring up tensions and generating more high-risk situations for police in general.


I'm not saying any of what I just wrote is a good thing, but, people who were completely fine with police 10 years ago, who are deathly terrified today need a reality check. There's no real increased danger for the vast majority of the population.

If you live in a terrible neighborhood,  you've probably always been afraid of police. If you live in a nice suburb, you probably are better off not burning all those fear calories... because you're really at no greater risk than you were at any other point over the last 20 years. Actually, you're probably a heck of a lot safer than you were in the mid-90s.

I dunno... just my opinion. I just get kind of annoyed when I'm talking to another 34 year old white couple with children who are also living in an affluent suburb where the police make $80,000 a year and there are literally 0.01 murders per year over the last decade and 0.00 police shooting of civilians over the last decade, who are talking about how they are now terrified any time they see a police cruiser pass by their home because that cop could decide to indiscriminately gun them down for obeying the law, because, you know, that's what cops do.

It's kind of jumped the shark and gotten to the point of ridiculousness. One most likely unjustifiable shooting in Florida doesn't mean that it's open season on you (you in the universal sense) and your family halfway across the country.

This need for countless national dialogs on police is rather absurd. Dialogs need to be had, but they need to be had within communities where these problems keep occurring. Scaring everyone into thinking that Officer Friendly is going to gun down their child for obeying the law isn't helping anything.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Cedar on July 22, 2016, 10:12:47 AM
Ummm.. guys? Can we make a thread for the 'bad policing' subthread? If I see this one is updated, I am "Oh no.. another shooting?"

Cedar
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: archer on July 22, 2016, 11:02:05 AM
Police say a shooting spree at a shopping [www.cnn.com] mall in Munich, Germany, is over. A large police operation was underway.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 22, 2016, 12:20:35 PM
From Twitter:

News_Executive ‏@News_Executive  1m1 minute ago
UPDATE: 6 people dead and many others injured after gunman open fire in Munich, witnesses report seeing 3 gunman, Police cannot confirm yet
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: nkawtg on July 22, 2016, 12:23:34 PM
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=58393.msg687043#msg687043
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: osubuckeye4 on July 22, 2016, 12:34:50 PM
Ummm.. guys? Can we make a thread for the 'bad policing' subthread? If I see this one is updated, I am "Oh no.. another shooting?"

Cedar

Apologies, my post can be deleted by mods if it's easier than moving it.

Definitely not on the topic of active shooters.


Here is an active shooting though:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html



 (CNN) — A police operation is underway after gunfire erupted at a shopping center in Munich Friday. CNN affiliate NTV reports several are dead and others are wounded. Authorities shut down public transportation and warned people to stay home or seek protection.

Here's what we know so far:

• At least one shooter is still on the loose after a shooting inside a McDonald's across from the Olympia shopping mall, police spokeswoman Claudia Küntzel said. "There could be several dead and one or even several shooters are on the loose," Küntzel said. The shooting at the McDonald's happened around 5:50 p.m. (11:50 a.m. ET), she said. It's unclear whether shootings have occurred at other locations, and whether the gunfire has stopped.



• Gunfire also broke out inside the mall, witnesses said.

 

• On Facebook, police said gunfire was reported in several locations, and that witnesses report seeing three different people with firearms.







• "At the moment, we have not been able to arrest any perpetrators. The manhunt is underway at high speed," police said. "Because of the unclear situation we ask all people in the city area to stay at home or to look for protection in any nearby building. The operation of public transportation service has been stopped."

 

• Lynn Stein, who said she works at the Jack Wolfskin store in the mall, told CNN that the shooter was inside the mall. "I heard several shots," Stein said. "(I) was just going to buy something while my co-worker was still in the shop.

"People started running. I went outside as well; more people (were) running outside. I think I heard more shots. Then it sounded like he went to the parking house next to the mall -- several shots there."

Stein said she then went back into the mall.

"I saw ... somebody lying on the floor, presumably dead, I don't know. Or badly hurt. And there's a woman over them, crying."

Eventually, she said, police "told everyone to clear off the area and go to the other side of the street."

"And we just stayed there for a while until police told us to go further back and further back," she said.

A string of recent terror attacks have put Europe on high alert.

A truck plowed into a crowd of Bastille Day revelers in Nice, France, last week, killing more than 80 people.

This week, a teenager who said he was inspired by ISIS stabbed passengers on a German train before police shot him dead.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 22, 2016, 12:43:07 PM
Back to the world ended via "active shooting"

Eyewitness video shows gunman at #Munich McDonald's:
https://twitter.com/VOANews/status/756557475592146945

Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 22, 2016, 01:18:56 PM
Today (7/22/16) is the 5th anniversary of the Anders Behring Breivik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik) mass-murder in Norway.

Something to keep in mind until we have more data on the Munich shooting.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 22, 2016, 01:25:17 PM
CNN quoting German sources says 6 dead an unknown number wounded in multiple locations in the largest shopping mall in the area and at least one shooter fled into the subway shutting it down. Witnesses give multiple descriptions of at least 3 distinct shooters. Update. 5 confirmed dead.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 22, 2016, 01:29:38 PM
Today (7/22/16) is the 5th anniversary of the Anders Behring Breivik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik) mass-murder in Norway.

Something to keep in mind until we have more data on the Munich shooting.

Alright, I refrain from insulting all followers of Islam until we get confirmation.   :o
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 22, 2016, 02:11:30 PM
Alright, I refrain from insulting all followers of Islam until we get confirmation.   :o

It'll probably end up being IS sympathizers, but the date coincidence is interesting.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 22, 2016, 02:19:24 PM
It'll probably end up being IS sympathizers, but the date coincidence is interesting.
Or simply that there have been more than 365 interesting events in history!  ;D
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Smurf Hunter on July 22, 2016, 02:19:37 PM
It'll probably end up being IS sympathizers, but the date coincidence is interesting.

For what it's worth, twitter seems about mixed with people claiming right-wing/xenophobic/neo-nazi or islamic/ISIS.

"death to foreigners"  and "allah akbar"  with both reportedly shouted by the shooter.  Seems near impossible for both to be accurate.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Chemsoldier on July 22, 2016, 02:21:49 PM
For what it's worth, twitter seems about mixed with people claiming right-wing/xenophobic/neo-nazi or islamic/ISIS.

"death to foreigners"  and "allah akbar"  with both reportedly shouted by the shooter.  Seems near impossible for both to be accurate.
Maybe it will be like Dave Chapelle's blind and black KKK member?
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 22, 2016, 02:38:25 PM
Death toll up to 8. Eye witness reporting children targeted. Not confirmed by police yet. Several reporters discussing if ISIS or NeoNazi. Still no word on shooters or follow up attacks.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: osubuckeye4 on July 22, 2016, 03:27:04 PM
Maybe it will be like Dave Chapelle's blind and black KKK member?

Lord help us all if Clayton Bigsby was on the loose.


News seems to be all over the place, different sites have different death counts and narratives. Kind of makes sense when you factor in that the police are still looking for the shooters and very little in the way of an official statement has gone out. I'd give it 2-3 hours after the shooters have been apprehended until a clearer picture has been painted.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: TheRetiredRancher on July 23, 2016, 07:28:55 AM
Gunman was mentally unstable German born of Iranian heritage teenager. Angela Merkel says it was just a madman shooting not terrorism. He had not been googling for Islamists websites but he was Muslim and did shout Alahu Akbar. Was he a terrorist, a crazy teenage murderer or ?  Good question but I have to believe he was at least a copycat of ISIS inspired shootings. He even hacked into a stores website and announced a fantastic sale to attract more teens to the mall a few hours before the shooting. Pretty organized.
They are now saying 10 dead 14 wounded mostly teens.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Wild Colonial Boy on July 23, 2016, 04:39:20 PM
If the German Shooter was Iranian, he was probably Shia rather than Sunni.  ISIS are nominally Sunni...Shia are their enemies.....If ISIS claim this....it just goes to show how screwed up the world is.
Title: Re: Current active shooter thread
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 23, 2016, 06:14:52 PM
Thread locked.  We now have 5 new "Alert" threads to report current emergencies -- please see:

How to use the ALERT topics (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=58410.0)

Discussion of the Munich shooting incident continues here:

Shooting at shopping mall in Munich (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=58393.0)