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Title: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on April 27, 2014, 05:05:37 PM
It has been a long time coming getting my garden back into shape.   In both 2010 and 2011, I had a great garden....tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers.   You know, the usual stuff.  Two years ago my ex bought a pool.   The leveling of the yard to take it to a flat grade produced a lot of extra soil we decided to put on my garden area.   

So, in 2012, my focus was on building a deck around the pool, vacations, and so on.   I never put my garden in.  What was once a nice little spot in the yard, was now a big pile of dirt and rocks.   

In 2013, my father became very sick, and early spring was all about making him comfortable in his last days.    Shortly after he passed, my relationship hit the rocks....gardening was not high on the priority list.

This year, I've a new found drive to get things going again.   Posting some pics soon.

Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on April 27, 2014, 05:18:36 PM


I started my weekend planting nine blueberry bushes.   Thanks to Cedar on her advice.  I found 4 varieties...Northcrop(?), Elliot, Earliblue and Bluecrop.   I spaced them out so no two varieties were next to one another.  This fit perfect between the driveway and the fence in the back yard.   A space that previously just was a pain to mow and trim.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/blueberries2_zps7f41a975.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on April 27, 2014, 05:25:19 PM
Today I finished prepping the garden space.   It is about 25' x 16'.    I wish I had some "before" pics to show you.   This mountain of hard clay soil.

I built the retaining wall, which really ends up making it more like a big raised bed I think.  I shoveled, and moved more softball sized rocks than I can count.   I tilled twice.   Once to get it broken up,   Then again after I got some manure, peet and compost mixed in.

I'm really happy with how this ended up looking.    If I do this right, I doubt I'll have to till again.   Not that I'm "anti-tiller" like a lot of folks....But just think as I get this soil improving, a good fork and spade will be all I need.


(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/just_tilled1_zps83673030.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/just_tilled3_zps3a95b9b2.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/just_tilled2_zpsad02a0b9.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on April 27, 2014, 05:29:17 PM

Finally, after all that work....I got some pots going with herbs.   I have a variety of basil, cilantro, oregano, chives, and spring onions in these containers.    I figure I will build out a shelf on the retaining wall posts (above) and set these along the edge so as I water I can get these wet too.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/herb_pots_zps7bb6f1a8.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: Herew on April 27, 2014, 05:40:17 PM
It looks like you've done a lot of work! Good job! Do you have any concerns of erosion? It looks like some soil is already spilling out by the retaining wall on the up-hill side.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on April 27, 2014, 05:41:53 PM
Almost forgot.   I put in about 2 dozen (maybe more, didn't count) white onion sets.   A lot of folks around here already have thiers in.    I love onions, so i doubt these will get huge...I'll have them dug up and on my plate before they fully mature.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/white_onion_sets_zps9ac2e8ab.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on April 27, 2014, 05:48:53 PM
It looks like you've done a lot of work! Good job! Do you have any concerns of erosion? It looks like some soil is already spilling out by the retaining wall on the up-hill side.

I am concerned.   Most of the overspill you see here is from me working it smooth.   I have the posts 2-3 feet in the ground, and then set with concrete.   I hope it will hold.   The really wet, rainy season isn't here yet.   Crossing my fingers it holds.  I'll just have to figure out the weaknesses and adjust as problems arise.

Thanks for the reply, appreciate it.   I have been busting my butt.  I'm not in the best of shape after this winter, and it has been putting my back to the test!
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: Cedar on April 27, 2014, 05:57:58 PM
That looks awesome!!! Glad I could help on the blueberries.

On your terrace there,.. and the spillover.. you might consider rock, urbanite, something heavy there, even 2 foot more over and as high as your second board to keep the weight of all that soil back.. and planting something edible in there.. and maybe a lavender or something on the corner to help keep that soil in place.

+1 for all your hard work.

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on April 27, 2014, 06:19:59 PM
That looks awesome!!! Glad I could help on the blueberries.

On your terrace there,.. and the spillover.. you might consider rock, urbanite, something heavy there, even 2 foot more over and as high as your second board to keep the weight of all that soil back.. and planting something edible in there.. and maybe a lavender or something on the corner to help keep that soil in place.

+1 for all your hard work.

Cedar


Thanks again Cedar.   I'll keep working on that end and see what I can do.   Been thinking about it all day as I worked in the peet and compost.   That corner is just really steep.    That whole part of the yard was a mess until this weekend when I finally dug in.   

I'll look into planting something that will creep up that slope and hold in the dirt.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: Cedar on April 27, 2014, 07:04:01 PM
You can also go back in like 5 feet or so on the 'entrance side' and have 2-3 boards on that side too... and I think you can get away with one post. I can see the side hill part sloughing off with the weight in not too long of a time, which is why I think it might be wise to make a second terrace to hold the weight of the upper one back.

Not to this extreme, but maybe it will kinda show you what I mean, since I have a stupid computer and I cannot use any paint programs on this one (but Z decided I really DO have a stupid computer and I am getting a different one for doing this kind of stuff on, not my work computer).

(http://philip.greenspun.com/images/200404-ecuador-peru/200405-urubamba-valley/chinchero-inca-terraces-2.3.jpg)

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: mountainmoma on April 27, 2014, 07:40:11 PM
Nice work on prepping for your garden ! And, great to put an awkward space to good use with the blueberries
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on May 09, 2014, 10:43:09 AM

OK, another group of pics.   Since the garden is pretty much prepped to plant, I focused on my front yard.   I bought too many flowers, not realizing how many I needed.   So I ended up planting over 480 so far....petunias, begonias and marigolds of all flavors.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/20140509_110021_zpskc5khkjg.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/20140509_105924_zpsjmxshetv.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/20140509_105957_zpsr0algxxv.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/20140509_105907_zpsje3clece.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/20140509_105931_zpss85wxpkf.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/20140509_105948_zps8tmssdld.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/20140509_105852_zpsfz6xktrt.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on May 23, 2014, 06:12:20 PM


Today I got in the rest of the garden.   I planted zucchini, sugar snap peas, blue lake's, "big boy" tomatoes, "bell boy" green peppers, habanero peppers, and red cabbage.

I also planted some juliet grape tomatoes in  containers.  These pics make it hard to tell how much went in, but I feel I got the the most out of my 300 sq feet.  We'll see...

P.S. ---After several days of soaking rains the last month, no erosion to speak of.  Still keeping an eye on it.


(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/20140523_141216_zpspvgyryjx.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/20140523_184658_zps6gvrazlo.jpg)

Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: Cedar on May 23, 2014, 07:04:33 PM
So I ended up planting over 480 so far....petunias, begonias and marigolds of all flavors.

LOL --- you and my mom. She does that alot. It will look even more lovely here in about 4 weeks time. How did you get the flowers to stick in the vertical lattice? There must be a pot or something behind it?

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on May 23, 2014, 07:28:27 PM
LOL --- you and my mom. She does that alot. It will look even more lovely here in about 4 weeks time. How did you get the flowers to stick in the vertical lattice? There must be a pot or something behind it?

Cedar

It is a lattice frame with plastic sheeting behind it. Then filled it with potting soil.  I cut an 'X' in each hole, hollowed out a little and shoved in a petunia.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on June 09, 2014, 05:22:14 PM
Two weeks in and the garden is looking good.   Here are a few pics...

First the flowers....they are popping!    I'm very happy with my vertical lattice experiment.  I'll build a few more of these next year.  Petunias are perfect for this.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140609_161237_zpsxej9eyyo.jpg)

Front yard beds are filling out nicely too.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140609_161312_zpsd5ag9hte.jpg)

I actually got some blueberries!   Didn't think I'd get any my first year, its not much, but will make a nice snack later this year.   I have to weed this area far too much.   Going to put down some landscape fabric to control it better.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140609_161156_zpsoczon3kn.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140609_161144_zpslijnbldy.jpg)

Beans and snow peas sprouted pretty quickly.   Look healthy, not sure if I need to thin these out?

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140609_161003_zps5ogqjefi.jpg)


Potted tomatoes (Juliet Hybrid) are growing fast too.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140609_160930_zpskvi78xro.jpg)

And the basil and cilantro are coming along nicely.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140609_160922_zpslw3hvmuo.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140609_161017_zpsth9nmjye.jpg)


That's all for now.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: MIZZOU_RAH on June 10, 2014, 07:22:06 AM
Looking good! I wouldn't worry about thinning the beans. I planted mine closer together than that even last year and they produced just fine. I had quite a dense "thicket" of bean plants to pick through, but I didn't see any downside other than that!
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: NCFreedom on June 10, 2014, 01:11:01 PM
looking good!
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 08:36:35 PM


When (and how) do I start plucking these basil leaves?   If I do it right, won't I have basil all summer?

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140614_200540_zpsl4sywjen.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 09:08:06 PM
My habenero's are not growing as fast as other things.   I'm thinking peppers in general grow slower, because my bell peppers are also slowing coming along.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140614_102136_zpsrxivzprt.jpg)

Zucchini look good, growing fast.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140614_102031_zpsitv9z1mi.jpg)

I started to train the peas to the lattice netting.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140614_101024_zpsxmi4xukm.jpg)

Beans also growing every day.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140614_102109_zps5gim1wbe.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: bigbear on June 16, 2014, 07:31:27 AM
Awesome vertical lattice!  It's beautiful.  (Note to self:  don't show my wife this thread until I'm ready to do the work...) 

Yes, peppers grow slower, especially compared to tomatoes.  My peppers are about 1/2 to 1/3 the size of my tomato at this point (in southern PA).

As for thinning the beans, one downside is not seeing or picking beans because of the thickness.  The less you miss on each plant, the more that plant produces. 
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: AvenueQ on June 16, 2014, 08:06:22 AM
How did you train your peas to the netting? Mine are having a hard time finding the lattice I planted them near.

In my experience with peppers, they either stunt early and barely produce, or they go crazy (either way yes, they do grow quite slow compared to other plants). I've had better luck with hot peppers than bell peppers, but my two California Wonders are doing pretty well so far, maybe I'll actually get some good ones this year.

As far as basil goes, you can probably start harvesting it now. Always chop off the top 1-3 sets of leaves and let it regrow a bit before harvesting again.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on June 16, 2014, 08:44:56 AM
Awesome vertical lattice!  It's beautiful.  (Note to self:  don't show my wife this thread until I'm ready to do the work...) 


Thanks, it wasn't too hard.   I plan on making a couple more.  I'll document what I did and post.   All it is really is a simple frame with lattice screwed to the outside.   Line the lattice with some black plastic before attaching.   Pour in the soil.   When you are ready to plant, score each hole w/ an "X" and shove in a petunia.


How did you train your peas to the netting?

I actually waited until they were flopping over before I pushed them under the first net string.   They had started to intangle each other, but i gently pulled them apart a little, and tucked each one under the net.

Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on June 20, 2014, 11:57:35 AM


I got grape tomatoes coming in!

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140620_074918_zpsw4uo0wr0.jpg)

and zucchini blossoms

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140620_074817_zpskcsqevty.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: endurance on June 20, 2014, 05:31:08 PM
Looking good.  I love making slopes into growing spaces with terraces.  Of course if I didn't, I wouldn't have a garden. ;)

And another +1 on the lattice thing.  That's awesome.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on June 26, 2014, 08:24:32 PM


My beans were looking like they needed a little nitrogen.   I added some blood meal and another organic fertilizer tonight.   Hope this brightens them up some.   I didn't do too much, just a boost.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140626_182252_zpsxyfincdu.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: busymomx3 on June 26, 2014, 08:35:59 PM
Oh I love the lattice work with flowers that is beautiful.  So making the hubby build me some :).
Your garden is looking great.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on June 26, 2014, 08:51:05 PM
Oh I love the lattice work with flowers that is beautiful.  So making the hubby build me some :).
Your garden is looking great.

Thanks, I got the idea from a Home Depot commercial :).   Pretty simple, just a box frame, some lattice with black plastic stapled to it.   Once you get it boxed in, filled with dirt, you can cut a little "X" in each of the lattice holes and shove in a flower.

Only troube I'm finding is keeping it watered from the side.   I have gotten plenty of rain, but I still find I have to spray down the sides regularly.   Perhaps a couple of upright peices of PVC in the center, drilled like  you would for a French Drain?  Maybe that would keep it watered better.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: mountainmoma on June 26, 2014, 10:43:03 PM
beans should be fixing their own nitrogen, did you plant with an innoculant ?
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on June 27, 2014, 06:44:53 AM
beans should be fixing their own nitrogen, did you plant with an innoculant ?

I did not, I planted right out of the package, but soaked the seeds for awhile before I planted.   

I do want to say, this soil in my garden is not the greatest.   A few months ago it was a mound of mostly clay and rock.   I took a tiller through it three times.   I added peet and composted manure from the local Southern States.   I got it nice and lose and I could dig way down into it with my hands after I was finished.   I don't think I have a drainage problem, nor do I have an issue with with lack of rain.

My hope is over time, as I grow, chop, drop and start my own composting I can get this soil really nice, but this year it is what it is :).   Now that I got the things started, my hope is I can simply turn the soil every year by hand now as I prep for  the next year.

I used only organic stuff for my fertilizer, I would rather have a whole pile of nice steamy compost, but that is my next project :).
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: mountainmoma on June 27, 2014, 05:05:49 PM
You can still add inoculant to the soil by the beans, they should sell some at your local garden store. You should also pinch off some of the beans to thin to about 6" on center, the peas can be left 2 or 3 inches apart. So, the inocculent will let them fix nitrogen into the soil, but there are other nutrients your soil may be lacking in. Blood meal can be strong, so be careful, another source is dilute human urine, so if you feel a quick acting not- to- strong nitrogen boost is actually needed, pee in a bucket and add a bunch of water and then go water the pants with that.  For general garden usages, mulching with alfalfa will provide nitrogen without worrying about burning the plants.

You should do a soil test, but if you cant, you can use the in the middle recommendations for added fertility from How To Grow More Vegetables....(John Jeavons, check it out at the library or buy a copy) So, while your area may need more than this, it would be unlikely that this would be too much : 8-12 lbs alfalfa, 1.5-2 pounds bone meal, 1.5 lbs wood ash. This is per 100 sq ft, so use proportionally less for smaller beds, in ADDITION they recommend 8 cubic feet (1/3 cubic yard) of compost per 100 sq ft, or half that amount of composted horse or cow manure. It is especially good to do these types of recommendations the first few years of your garden to build up your soil. Crushed granite would be a nice addtion too.



Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on June 27, 2014, 06:19:38 PM
You can still add inoculant to the soil by the beans, they should sell some at your local garden store. You should also pinch off some of the beans to thin to about 6" on center, the peas can be left 2 or 3 inches apart. So, the inocculent will let them fix nitrogen into the soil, but there are other nutrients your soil may be lacking in. Blood meal can be strong, so be careful, another source is dilute human urine, so if you feel a quick acting not- to- strong nitrogen boost is actually needed, pee in a bucket and add a bunch of water and then go water the pants with that.  For general garden usages, mulching with alfalfa will provide nitrogen without worrying about burning the plants.

You should do a soil test, but if you cant, you can use the in the middle recommendations for added fertility from How To Grow More Vegetables....(John Jeavons, check it out at the library or buy a copy) So, while your area may need more than this, it would be unlikely that this would be too much : 8-12 lbs alfalfa, 1.5-2 pounds bone meal, 1.5 lbs wood ash. This is per 100 sq ft, so use proportionally less for smaller beds, in ADDITION they recommend 8 cubic feet (1/3 cubic yard) of compost per 100 sq ft, or half that amount of composted horse or cow manure. It is especially good to do these types of recommendations the first few years of your garden to build up your soil. Crushed granite would be a nice addtion too.

This is great info.   Thanks for the tips.   My extension office will do a free soil test, I will have to go down.  I want them to verify that Kousa Dogwood in my front yard too.

I already added the blood meal and some other fertilizer.   Not much, again, I just added a little to see what would happen.   I would like to be able to switch to all compost and natural remedies as time goes on.   I know it will take time.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: jamendjr on July 07, 2014, 11:58:05 AM
Lattice...excellent.

Maybe the beans won't get dark green leaves? I had some beans a few years ago at our old house that were a very light green, produced fine. I would think that if the tomatoes ( heavy feeders ) are doing good right next to them it would be something other than nitrogen right? Anyone out there have any additional thoughts on that?



Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: Cedar on July 07, 2014, 12:17:09 PM
Maybe the beans won't get dark green leaves? I had some beans a few years ago at our old house that were a very light green, produced fine.

I raise 42 different kinds of beans. Not all the leaves are dark green.

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on July 08, 2014, 04:40:59 PM
Some production photos!


Zucchini are looking good, I picked one :)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140708_181129_zpsyddolfk2.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140708_180205_zpsdxxwlkfp.jpg)

Juliet tomatoes

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140708_180108_zpszvsn5fnj.jpg)

Big boy
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Beans and peas are starting to produce too!
(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140708_180227_zpslsamwqge.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140708_180401_zpsvnesxjwn.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on July 17, 2014, 07:31:04 AM


I got a few things out of the garden today.   

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140717_075047_zpsv4bkpion.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: bigbear on July 17, 2014, 12:26:44 PM
Nice!  Are those zucs seedy?  If so, try picking them a little smaller?  They look like they are a good 15+ inches!  You have more tomatoes there than I've had all year...  A lot are getting close though!  :)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on July 17, 2014, 12:52:43 PM
Nice!  Are those zucs seedy?  If so, try picking them a little smaller?  They look like they are a good 15+ inches!  You have more tomatoes there than I've had all year...  A lot are getting close though!  :)

Not sure, not cut them yet.   The last two were not, but not quite that big.   I usually don't let them go that long, but i didn't see them.  My red tomatoes have only been Juliette grapes so far....one here and there.   Cant help but snack on them outside :)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on July 22, 2014, 10:31:42 AM
Another load of beans this AM.    I"m blanching, shocking and then putting in vacuum bags for the freezer.

Some peas and tomatoes too, but that will be for salads

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140722_073836_zpsgdam9f0a.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on July 22, 2014, 07:07:03 PM


Zucchini bread!   Yeah!   I mean damn, this is good stuff.   One for my belly, three for the freezer.

I also took those beans, blanched, shocked and vacuum sealed a bunch of bags....enough in each one for a meal and a 'leftover'.   I am much happier being out of the relationship that I was in (she and I just were not right), but I sure do miss enjoying the good things with somone.  I hate having to think about my preps and food storage from a single point of view.  :(   

Not getting depressed though, I have Zucchini Bread to eat!  Nom Nom Nom Nom.


(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140722_195934_zps8djxokvl.jpg)


Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on August 09, 2014, 08:20:52 PM
Been awhil since I've updated but my garden is producing great.   I've picked several buckets of beans and peas.   My zucchini is done, dunno what happened to them.   Cabbage isn't ready to pick, but looks really good too.   

Tomatoes are almost ready....my Juliet tomatoes are pretty much picked through.   But the Big Boy tomatoes are nice sized and just about ready to turn.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on August 14, 2014, 06:39:00 PM


My garden is slowing down to a crawl.   Zucchini are dead, peas and beans almost finished.   I'll be lucky if I get another half gallon of beans, and peas will be just for eating raw off the vine.

My "Big Boy" tomatoes are just now coming into ripeness and I will be picking those over the next couple of weeks.   They are really the only thing left.

I had a second clippings of basil and oregano.  I dried/dehydrated most of that (another quart sized ziploc bag of each after drying).  Also, made some pesto last night.   Tonight I made some red sauce with fresh basil and oregano too, that was good over rotini, pretty quick dinner, and fresh as I could make it.

I'm bummed things are not going to last until the end of the summer, but at the same time this is the first garden I've had in over 2 years.    I have plenty of beans in the freezer and I've done as well as I can for what I planted.   

The only flop was my peppers, they just did not grow or produce.   I had a had a half dozen "Bell Boy's" and another half dozen habenero plants.   I got one bell pepper, and there are (at last count) a whopping 3 hots.   Dunno what went wrong, but I need to figure it out for next year....I like peppers too much to not get them producing.

Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: zarfbloot on August 16, 2014, 07:33:23 PM
The pepper plants are perennial and may product for you again next season. My datil pepper (a florida native version of habanero) really cranked this spring and was it's second season. The first one I got nothing out of. Just a thought.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on August 17, 2014, 08:30:51 AM
The pepper plants are perennial and may product for you again next season. My datil pepper (a florida native version of habanero) really cranked this spring and was it's second season. The first one I got nothing out of. Just a thought.

Will they survive the winter?   I'm in WV, get plenty of cold and sub freezing temps all winter long.   My varieties are "Bell Boy" and a no-name habenaro.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: zarfbloot on August 19, 2014, 06:20:47 PM
That I can't say for sure. But I do know that the weather this past winter didn't drop below 34.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: joeinwv on August 19, 2014, 09:02:06 PM
Will they survive the winter?   I'm in WV, get plenty of cold and sub freezing temps all winter long.   My varieties are "Bell Boy" and a no-name habenaro.
Peppers will not winter over in WV - mine did squat this year. I have done the best with regular bell peppers and banana / hungarian wax varities. Past few years peppers have been late for me - like september.

My squash always get wiped out by vine boring beetles - I have had better luck with patty pan varities which taste the same. Leaves will get dry and die and the base stems look rotten.

This was a tough year in WV weather wise - looks like you did pretty good. I am buried in tomatoes right now - picked a 5 gallon bucket full today and I only have 96 sq ft of garden.

Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on August 20, 2014, 06:53:02 AM
Peppers will not winter over in WV - mine did squat this year. I have done the best with regular bell peppers and banana / hungarian wax varities. Past few years peppers have been late for me - like september.

My squash always get wiped out by vine boring beetles - I have had better luck with patty pan varities which taste the same. Leaves will get dry and die and the base stems look rotten.

This was a tough year in WV weather wise - looks like you did pretty good. I am buried in tomatoes right now - picked a 5 gallon bucket full today and I only have 96 sq ft of garden.

Hey Joe!   Been awhile since I've seen you post.   Yea, I'm pretty happy w/ the garden, I'll be patient w/ the plants until they die.   Maybe I'll get some late peppers.   I will switch up varieties next year maybe.   My tomatoes are right there ready to turn, just not quite red yet....that pinkish color.   I'll have a bucket or two myself next week.

I'm going to expand my garden next year, onto the hill in front.   Maybe I'll move the tomatoes in peppers into the new space.

As to the weather, yup....storming again today, just heard some thunder.   Can't complain about the water, garden got its fair share and all the rivers and streams look good.  I was fishing up on the Cheat near St. George a couple weeks ago, smallies were biting good.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: bigbear on August 20, 2014, 08:26:41 AM
I've heard they could the winter if you are able to move them indoors (i.e. transplant them into a container).
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on August 20, 2014, 08:59:54 AM
I've heard they could the winter if you are able to move them indoors (i.e. transplant them into a container).

Yea, not sure I"ll go to that trouble, no place really to put them.   If they don't winter, it's OK.   I'll just try a new spot, new variety next year.   Part of the fun of a garden is to make it better I suppose.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: Cedar on August 20, 2014, 09:06:16 AM
They will winter indoors, I have done it many a time, but they will sulk around February, drop leaves ect, but bounce back. But a trick I used in Canada for those I left outside, is put a tomato cage around them, and slip a black garbage bag over the whole tomato cage.  I took it off during the late morning and then put it back on in the evening. It helped extend the harvest a bit. Just don't forget to take it off!!

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on September 01, 2014, 12:13:20 PM


OK, I'm trying some water bath canning w/ my tomatoes.   Wish me luck.   I have enough now to do about 8 pints, and more on the vines.   I'm simply dicing them and cold packing w/ a little salt and a couple basil leaves.   I just want to do it quick before the tomatoes are too far gone.

Pics to come.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on September 02, 2014, 06:06:52 AM

My very first attempt at canning anything were these diced tomatoes.   They seem good to go.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140902_075633_zpsw2p5vvow.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140902_075625_zpszofdxvwy.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: AvenueQ on September 03, 2014, 07:44:56 AM
Pretty! Wish I had enough tomatoes this year to can some.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on September 03, 2014, 08:22:58 AM


I'm psych'd how easy it was.   Dunno what my fear was all about doing this.   I put it off much too long.   I'm getting myself a really nice pressure canner for a Christmas present for myself this year.    Next year, I'm going head first into canning everything.   I want to really try meats.   In particular, making up my own pasta sauce with sausage in it.    Chicken soup base, with chicken already in it.

I never seem to find time to cook a good dinner, if I can prepare things like that, it would make dinner time much quicker.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on September 09, 2014, 05:57:56 PM


Made a quick spaghetti sauce tonight.   Not sure what I did, but man is it good.   Fresh tomatoes, basil and oregano from my garden.   Added a green and yellow pepper, an onion, a pound of ground italian sausage, lots of garlic. Salted to taste.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20140909_194822_zpslz6m1q3v.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: ResidentCelt on September 18, 2014, 02:43:30 PM
MSP, I'm in Western Virginia and my peppers pretty much were a fail too (about 4-5 varieties). I think it was a lack of hot days this year and IDK about you but we had a REALLY mild August. That pretty much seals the coffin on standard pepper varieties if you don't get enough heat to 'em.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on September 18, 2014, 05:18:11 PM
MSP, I'm in Western Virginia and my peppers pretty much were a fail too (about 4-5 varieties). I think it was a lack of hot days this year and IDK about you but we had a REALLY mild August. That pretty much seals the coffin on standard pepper varieties if you don't get enough heat to 'em.

Yup, that is what I have been thinking.    Thanks for the input.   There is always next year too.  Even the habenero peppers are a flop.  But otherwise I can't complain.   The garden,  after a couple of years off, did well.  Next year I am going to step it up.  :)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on October 13, 2014, 10:07:27 AM


OK, got a "woody bed" question.   As you see here I have some wood already laid out.   I need a few more lengths to finish up.   My garden is 15' x 20'.   This woods is about 5-6" in diameter, and about 3' apart in these rows.

Is this enough?  I don't want to dig it up again after I get these buried.   Any help is appreciated.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20141013_120046_zpsorfm8sww.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: Cedar on October 13, 2014, 10:19:02 AM
I saw those logs and was excited that you were starting mushroom logs.. nevermind...

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on October 13, 2014, 10:28:24 AM
I saw those logs and was excited that you were starting mushroom logs.. nevermind...

Cedar

My buddy got one from Mother Earth News Fair recently.   He's not had much luck with it.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: Cedar on October 13, 2014, 10:30:38 AM
Get your logs, and then contact FungiPerfecti for dowels... with whatever mushroom will grow on the logs you can get. Get a drill, a hammer and some beeswax. Doesn't take that long.

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on October 13, 2014, 10:34:32 AM

I like mushrooms, maybe I'll try that.    These logs are getting buried though for a hugel/woody thing.   Just not sure I have enough.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: Cedar on October 13, 2014, 11:07:48 AM
They have also been sitting on ground for "X" amount of time. I like ones which have not had contact with the ground and possible contamination with other fungi than I want to innoculate into them.

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on October 17, 2014, 04:50:06 PM
I ate a burrito made from some leftover roast and stuff from the garden.  Not many garden veggies left....the habeneros were HOT HOT.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: Nicodemus on October 17, 2014, 05:08:29 PM

OK, got a "woody bed" question.   As you see here I have some wood already laid out.   I need a few more lengths to finish up.   My garden is 15' x 20'.   This woods is about 5-6" in diameter, and about 3' apart in these rows.

Is this enough?  I don't want to dig it up again after I get these buried.   Any help is appreciated.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20141013_120046_zpsorfm8sww.jpg)

I would say that any wood is going to be a benefit after you get over the initial hump of it starting to break down, but also that if you've got more that you can put in there then you might as well do it.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on October 17, 2014, 08:08:51 PM
Thanks Nicodemus.   I'm thinking I need more.   I have a bunch of split wood.   I don't have a fireplace, I just use it for camping wood and "just in case".   I can put some it in there.

Tomorrow I'm visiting my friend's father.  He has a farm about 45 min away, promised me some manure.  He may have some long lengths like these around the property, maybe i can score another 5 or 6 to tighten this up some.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on October 18, 2014, 06:49:15 PM


I gathered up 3 big bags of manure today for my garden and compost pile.   Yes, I shoveled s#$t.  Yes, that is a big bag of s*@t.  :) 

So, this is at my friend's father's farm.   He was nice enough to let me have as much as i wanted, but wasn't nice enough to help me out!      Oh, but he found time to take this pic (notice the rain on the windshield?!).  Thanks for nothing, at least he could have held open the bag :).   The cows are looking at me like...."hey, we just put that there, what are you doing!?!"
:rofl:

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/IMAG0313_zpsglohecjw.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: jamendjr on October 22, 2014, 10:39:26 AM
Thats a funny picture, we had a small bonfire/smores roast at a friends family place a few weeks ago. The cows followed us to the campfire thinking they were about to get a treat.

My limited experience with wood core beds says mo' wood, mo' kinds of wood, mo' sizes of wood, and mo' stages of degeneration the better.

Small pieces break down faster, already rotting pieces break down faster, larger pieces take longer, etc. I would say adding variety will extend the useable life of the bed.

Also, I forced my wife to go to a mushroom cultivation class recently. We brought home two logs, with a sure fire method of bagging the log until Spring. It seems outside logs while easier, also offer the potential issue of competing fungi and temperature/humidity swings that could hinder the growth of the fungi you selected. I will post our results next year, but my understanding is that the spawn run can take anywhere from a few months to a year and a half before fruiting occurs.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on November 24, 2014, 01:33:43 PM
I got my wood buried yesterday.   All the yard leaves were mulched and put on top.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20141123_105856_zps9pi3bssz.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/garden/20141123_105906_zpsysbs5ewu.jpg)

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Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: jamendjr on November 24, 2014, 01:55:22 PM
Check it off the list!

Any reason you decided to go with one single log in each trench?
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on November 24, 2014, 02:06:50 PM
Check it off the list!

Any reason you decided to go with one single log in each trench?

that's what i had :)
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: Cedar on November 24, 2014, 02:21:18 PM
that's what i had :)

Can't do any better than that in some places.

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: jamendjr on November 24, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
Thats the best reason!

I am glad you didn't have an in depth answer that would start to make me re-think all things "woody bed"!

I am currently working my way through 8-10 yards of pine mulch...because thats what I had. More importantly thats what was most recently free.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on November 24, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
After I got those in the ground, I'm thinking I need another 2 rows in between.   Maybe in the Spring I'll put some more in, we'll see.   

Another point about this garden.   Just six short months ago, I got this going again.   My soil was a mixture of hard clay (lots of rocks up to softball and cantaloupe sized) with some top displaced from other parts of the yard.   I added a lot of peat.  I added some composted manure.   I tilled and tilled and tilled again, three times I turned over that mixture to get that clay broken up.   All this BEFORE I planted anything.   You could call it starting from "square one".

Over the summer I added little fertilizer, all organic, blood and bone meal.   I did little weeding, just pulled and dropped the weeds as they encroached on the plants I wanted to grow.   I got great rain, needed to water very little.

I chopped and dropped everything after it was over.   Hit it all with the mulching mower and a weed eater to get it breaking down.

When I turned over the soil, and dug those ditches to bury the wood, it was CRAWLING WITH LIFE.   Lots of insects, ants and such.   A fair amount of worms, would have like to have seen more, but considering with what I started, I'll take it.

I can't wait to get going again next year!   Hoping the wood adds another layer into that ecosystem and promotes the healthy growth of the soil life that I want to see.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: jamendjr on November 24, 2014, 05:06:34 PM
Thats a lot of hard work. I have clay and rocks here so I know the feeling. I chickened out compared to the effort you put in, impressive.

Even with all that hard work, its pretty amazing how all that "life" just shows up. Its like you prepared the most difficult10 course meal for soil life.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on November 24, 2014, 05:08:33 PM
It's fun.    Wish I had more land.   I have a plan for that, but until then I'll learn to get the most out of what I got.   Hopefully it transfers well to a bigger plot one day.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: jamendjr on November 24, 2014, 05:51:50 PM
How much room do you have now?

I had big land dreams but big land dreams around here come with big dollar signs.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: d3nni5 on November 24, 2014, 06:12:59 PM
How much room do you have now?

I had big land dreams but big land dreams around here come with big dollar signs.

My garden is about 25' x 16'.   I have room to extend it to about 35' x 16' next year.   If you look back on the pictures in this thread, you'll also see I have two flower beds in front of the house.   I liked all the color this year, but thinking I could find something to plant there next year that is more useful, dunno what I'm gonna do there.   It was cool having all the nice smells in the air out front.    I'm planning on finding a place for herbs next year for sure.
Title: Re: MSP's garden 2014
Post by: jamendjr on November 24, 2014, 06:28:47 PM
Thats a pretty good space to work with.

The more I do myself, the more I realize my own limitations! When I had 200 sf of garden, I had lots of time and dreamed of a 1/2 acre of annual production. This past year I had somewhere between 300-400 sf, and about half the time, and began to realize how beautiful small and manageable can be. Even so, I have plans to expand next year, but its pretty amazing how much production you can get from a small space.

I think I heard Ben Falk say something like, its better to manage one acre well than 100 acres poorly. Numbers may not be exact but that was the "gist" of it.