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Title: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 02, 2014, 09:16:57 AM

So, I started my rain catchment finally.   I'm utilizing four 55 gallon barrels, and I will take you step by step through my progress.


In their previous life my barrels were used at a car wash.   When I got them, they seemed pretty clean with very little odor.  They were rinsed a couple of times until they passed my "smell test".   Then I filled them with water, added about 1/4 bag of pool shock to each. All have been baking in the sun for several weeks. 

I siphoned out the bleach water, took off both bung caps and aired it out in the sun, while I went to work on the frame.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140601_091845_zpsreqg5jpt.jpg)


I'm starting out with the following.....12 blocks (8"x8"x16"), 2 big timbers (6"x6"x8'), 4 posts (4"x4"x6')

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I sized things up on the drive, just to make sure they would fit like I expected.  Barrels are about 2' wide and 3' high.  Side by side, all four come in less than 8 feet, happiness, I can work with full nominal lengths, no issues.   At full capacity, I'm figuring 8lbs per gallon, 55 gallons, times 4.....1760 lbs.....or so.    According to what I have found online, the horizontal strength of 6x6's at 8 feet should be well enough to support this weight.


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I've picked the area between my house and drive with access to the downspout in the front of the house...

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The area is sloped so I have dug in and leveled out the blocks.

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I have put everything into place, but not secured anything down yet.   

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Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: archer on June 02, 2014, 10:16:19 AM
keep going!
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: Perfesser on June 02, 2014, 10:51:53 AM

1. If the sun shines on these for any length of time they'll be growing algae and plug up everything. You'll have to cover them or at least paint them.
Better yet, put them in the perpetual shade of the North side - may not be an option for your downspout location.

2. Blocks piled like that have little resistance to shifting, the uphill ones will gradually lean downhill, especially once the water pools and freezes in the mini swale you just dug. Fencepost type vertical post in concrete is a better choice on a slope than a retaining wall type support.   
 
3. It's going to be a pain keeping the grass cut underneath them.

In a case like this I would level a spot right beside the door for the barrels and slope the ground down a little steeper from the corner of the house and make sure runoff flows out and away from the building, not down towards the barrels.
It's probably too late now but by next spring the things I pointed out above will have become obvious.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 02, 2014, 11:02:08 AM
1. If the sun shines on these for any length of time they'll be growing algae and plug up everything. You'll have to cover them or at least paint them.
Better yet, put them in the perpetual shade of the North side - may not be an option for your downspout location.

2. Blocks piled like that have little resistance to shifting, the uphill ones will gradually lean downhill, especially once the water pools and freezes in the mini swale you just dug. Fencepost type vertical post in concrete is a better choice on a slope than a retaining wall type support.   
 
3. It's going to be a pain keeping the grass cut underneath them.

In a case like this I would level a spot right beside the door for the barrels and slope the ground down a little steeper from the corner of the house and make sure runoff flows out and away from the building, not down towards the barrels.
It's probably too late now but by next spring the things I pointed out above will have become obvious.


Good points, that I've thought about

1.)   Plan on building a lattice frame around it for two reasons.  First, for the algae factor.  Second to be decorative.

2.)   I thought about this, thinking of adding a couple of posts to firm it up

3.)   Grass will be killed with RoundUp, and weed barrier put down.

Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: Cedar on June 02, 2014, 11:13:56 AM
You might also put 'chocks' between barrels.. JUST in case...
(http://www.dexion-china.com/media/product/637.jpg)

You could make them out of scrap 2x4"

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 02, 2014, 11:17:30 AM
Yup,

Chocks will be made with those 4x4 posts,  cut to lengths to fit between the barrels. 

I only had time enough to rough up the framing this weekend.   I will be putting finishing touches on it as the week goes (so long as the weather works in my favor) and then I will start plumbing it up.

Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: Cedar on June 02, 2014, 11:19:52 AM
It is looking good. Keep posting pics as you go.

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: endurance on June 02, 2014, 11:35:54 AM
 :popcorn:

Great project, keep posting!

I just picked up a shallow well pump for my water catchment systems (my tanks are below ground) from Harbor Freight for $119, so if you don't get enough pressure, keep something like that in mind.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: Ms. Albatross on June 02, 2014, 12:02:13 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: archer on June 02, 2014, 12:58:19 PM
are you going to put in a first flush diverter?
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: chad on June 02, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Looks good...my.02¢... definitely paint, cleaning out algae sucks especially from plugged fittings and drip lines.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 02, 2014, 01:38:40 PM
are you going to put in a first flush diverter?

I haven't thought that far ahead yet.   I already have my diverter from Fiskars...

http://www2.fiskars.com/Shop-Products/Rain-Barrel-Accessories/DiverterPro-Rainwater-Diverter#.U4zNyVSwfGg

But adding another first flush system may be wise, interesting to know if there is a simple DIY design out there, saw some youtube vids using standard PVC with a ping pong ball.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 02, 2014, 01:40:52 PM
Looks good...my.02¢... definitely paint, cleaning out algae sucks especially from plugged fittings and drip lines.

My plan is to box in the whole thing with privacy lattice, to which I will staple black plastic.   This should keep out the sunlight, make it look nice yet be modular enough that I can remove it and expose the system when I need to work on it.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: chad on June 02, 2014, 01:48:06 PM
My plan is to box in the whole thing with privacy lattice, to which I will staple black plastic.   This should keep out the sunlight, make it look nice yet be modular enough that I can remove it and expose the system when I need to work on it.


That'll work...
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: scoob on June 02, 2014, 02:21:55 PM
Nice work!  In for updates, as I see one of these systems in my future too.   ;)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 06, 2014, 08:19:01 AM
I have changed my mind about my base structure.   As you can see I am on a slope with neighbor's on the downhill side of me.  I think the block construction would have been fine, but setting posts is really the safer bet.   I consulted with a couple of my friends who looked it over too.  Lord knows, I don't need to be explaining to my insurance company just why I had to buy my neighbors a new wall, or car or whatnot.  I basically have four 440 lb depth charges waiting to roll into my neighbor's back yard if the foundation were to slip.  Thanks for all the input folks.

So, I bought a few more 6x6 posts, pulled out the blocks and took advantage of a nice cool evening last night and dug my post holes.   They are well below the frost line and I have just temporarily leveled them.   (By the way, if you set posts, the post level is a great purchase, I've used this many times building my pool deck and other assorted projects).

I will cut the 6x6's to height tomorrow, and start roughing out the rest of the structure to make sure everything is going to fit together square.   Once I got it all loosely in place and level again, I'll add some quickcrete to the holes to solidify it and move to the next step.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140605_173133_zps473x0hii.jpg)
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Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: archer on June 06, 2014, 09:03:24 AM
a good upgrade!
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: endurance on June 06, 2014, 09:57:34 AM
I was hoping for something like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui-xBeqBNi4).  Shucks. :o ;D
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 09, 2014, 05:52:03 PM


I didn't get much done this weekend.   Well, depends on how you look at it.   I did level and set my posts.   I am glad I've changed my mind, and now I have a couple dozen blocks to use on another project (whatever that will be).  Overall it was about an additional $75 in lumber and materials, but worth the piece of mind.

I used an 80lb bag of Sakrete in each hole.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140607_085048_zpstpgimvqd.jpg)

Leveled up the posts and put some temporary braces in place until the concrete set.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140607_102040_zps3ae8luaq.jpg)


Mixed and poured.

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Once it set I filled in the rest of the hole with leftover dirt and started to cut the posts to height.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140608_102209_zpszanlcwsj.jpg)

Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 11, 2014, 08:09:27 AM

Last night I finished the posts and horizonal beams.   Nothing is secured yet, but that won't take long.   Tonight I should have the barrels back on and starting my "Lowes List" for PVC, valves and what not.


I created a lap joint (I think :), not a carpenter) so I could rest the beams on top of the posts for more strength.   I cut down 5.5 inches and left a 1.5 inch lip.   This is the same as the nominal thickness of the 2x6's I'll use to support the sides.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140610_203120_zpslonkghpz.jpg)
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I cut the beams to length, overall it is 8 feet long.   Slid them in.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140611_092637_zpsgnx1xo8x.jpg)

So I'm ready to fasten it on and move on to the fun stuff.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140611_092648_zpscuywpj0m.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: Cedar on June 11, 2014, 09:03:20 AM
In the meantime, it is a gymnastic balance beam  ;D

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: endurance on June 11, 2014, 09:25:13 AM
Nice detail work.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 06:23:46 PM

OK, I have to admit, this is getting a bit pic heavy.   But I want to help out folks who haven't had a chance to do this yet.   The next several posts are going to get into today's work.   

I have loosely plumbed together my rain water catchment system.   Nothing is glued, so I may have some finishing changes.

Before I start posting pictures, I want to point out that the PVC sizes are mostly 2 inch and 3/4 inch sizes.   So, all the bigger pipes you see are 2”, the smaller sizes are 3/4”.

Here we go...
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 06:28:19 PM

First things first, I joined together the horizontal timbers with the posts.  These are 1/2 by 6 inch (I think) lag bolts.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_110206_zpswig2qskk.jpg)

I drilled some pilot holes and screwed them in....

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_110401_zpsfa3eqvux.jpg)

I may sure up the framing a little more, but I think for the most part this will be strong enough as it sits right now.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 06:30:31 PM

Next I put up the barrels on the frame and spaced them close to where I need them.


(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_113306_zps2jb5qwln.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 06:34:02 PM
Here is an overview of the PVC I used.   

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Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 06:46:05 PM
As you see, I have placed the barrels on their side with the bung holes at 12:00 and 6:00 positions.   Each bung in the barrel has different threads.  A corse thread and a fine thread.   I have positioned the top hole with the fine thread, and the bottom hole with the coarse thread.   THIS IS IMPORTANT to my design, as we will see in a few more posts.

The top most bungs (again the fine threads) are the same threads as standard 2” PVC.   So I screwed into each top hold a male 2” thread to female 2” slip coupler.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_113335_zpszv8pnbbu.jpg)

I added a 2 inch tee, female slip on all three points.   The 2" PVC pipe in between is cut to allow just enough room to snuggly fit the two.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_114008_zpscduhckeb.jpg)

Next, I do the same for all barrells, joining the top run with 2” PVC lengths.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_114730_zpszizwgl8e.jpg)

Each of these are about 22 inches in between, but YMMV.   Just have to measure and cut based on your own set up.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_115419_zps4gtbeqnb.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 06:54:16 PM
I will be painting and (eventually) encolsing my entire set up.  My buddy Joe had this idea for keeping tabs on how full the barrels were.  A sort of gauge, to show the water's height in the barrels.

Keeping this in mind, I ran an extra tee, this one with a threaded 3/4” connector, to which a placed a barbed 3/4” nylon connector.   

I know this may seem odd now, but keep reading, you'll see where I'm going.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_115545_zpsbijrbdwt.jpg)

I extended the top run here with this barbed section pointing down.   Trust me, you'll see where I'm going by the end of the thread.  :)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_115755_zpsk06eh0yf.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 07:02:18 PM
To finish out the top run of plumbing, I built a vent.   This will allow the system to drain without the “glug, glug, glug” you'd get with no air coming from the top when you turn on the hose bib to use the water.  It is just a couple of 90's with just enough 2” PVC to joing them together.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_120200_zpswh9wws4x.jpg)

I took the end cap and cut a 1 1/2” hole.  I used a bladed drill bit, and then my dremel tool to smooth it out.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_121610_zpszbcseoz6.jpg)

To keep the bee's out, I added some screen I had laying around.   This is just held in with some Alex Plus caulking.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_121924_zps4apgrllo.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 07:17:09 PM
OK, 

Now that I got the top run of 2” plumbing done, I will move to the bottom section of plumbing.   Remember the top section is what is filling up the barrels.   So, I used the 2” size to allow for as much flow as possible.

The bottom section of plumbing is all 3/4”.   That is because I don't need to drain  as fast as I need to fill the barrels.    This is good for a couple of reasons.   First, the size of a typical garden hose is 1/2 to 3/4 inches.   I don't need to have any more drain flow than that.   Also, as we previously mentioned, the bung holes in these barrels are not threaded the same.   As I note above, THIS IS WHERE IT IS IMPORTANT to position the barrels in the manner I have.

So, here is a close up of the threads so you can see.   The one on the left is the coarse thread that I have at my 6:00 (drain) position.   

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_123316_zpszouyb7cm.jpg)

What is cool about these coarse threaded bung caps is they also have threading on the top side, as you see here.  As luck would have it, these are precisely 3/4” PVC threading.   Great!   

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_123504_zps09nzfcq0.jpg)

I can use a 3/4” coupler like this, with a 3/4” female slip connection on the other side to screw into this cap.   All I have to do is drill out the cap and ream it to size.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_123546_zps3jxzcj6n.jpg)

I drilled out the back side of this bung cap, then used a utility knife to CAREFULLY open the hole to the 3/4” size I need.   You only get one shot here.   Do not ruin the threading as you do this.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_123612_zpshhqbupdf.jpg)
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After screwing in the above coupler, I hand tightend the bung cap into the bottom hole in the barrel.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_125701_zpsdyb2mmfk.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 07:24:48 PM
After all the bottom bung caps have been drilled, reamed and hand tightened into the bottom holes, I move forward with the drain end of the system.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_125714_zpsgj7e42b9.jpg)

I cut a small length of 3/4” PVC, just long enough to connect a 3/4” PVC valve to each barrel.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_143512_zpstij55k6t.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_143522_zpswoccm9xb.jpg)

As I did with the top, I added tee's and I cut lengths PVC to connect each of the bottom run.  Again, these are about 22” apart, but you need to measure your own system as you do this.  I ended up looking like this...

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_152230_zpshemltsnc.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: endurance on June 14, 2014, 07:28:37 PM
 :clap:

Nicely done. Thanks for all the pics and detailed descriptions.  Threads like this are a great reference source for the community.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 07:31:58 PM
As previously mentioned, I wanted a way to gauge how full my barrels were.  After I spray paint them black, how will I know?

Easy, I added a length of nylon hose between the top in the bottom sections like this....

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_145703_zpsg1hh9gjo.jpg)

The idea here is that as water fills, it will settle to its lowest point, allowing me to have sort of a level  gauge.   I will hide this nylon hose from the light with a piece of pipe insulation, pulling it off only when I need  to reveal my water level.   You also see I simply tee'd off the bottom section with a 3/4” brass hose bib to finish the drain part of the plumbing.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_180244_zpsxvyxgnzy.jpg)

Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 07:39:26 PM

Now I will start to run the piping up to my downspout.    Here is a wide angle view of the system.   As you see, I start extend the top 2” pipe back to the house and up to the corner next to the gutter.

Remeber, nothing is glued or set.  This is just roughing out the plumbing before I finish.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_152230_zpshemltsnc.jpg)

I cut my downspout, making sure my diverter system is HIGHER than the top of my barrels.  It's all about gravity folks.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_165734_zps92embqgc.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 07:44:14 PM
I went with an off the shelf diverter from Fiskar's.   You can choose what you want.  I actually bought this over a year ago, and I've had it setting in my garage.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_175819_zpse8okhquo.jpg)

The unit comes with the main diverter housing, a hose, some gutter reducers, and a mechanism to flush debris away from the catchment itself.   It seemed like a good product when I bought it.   I do have some complaints, but we'll get to that.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_165935_zpsls14tjkz.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 07:57:42 PM
So, here is the rub....and really the only complaint I have with this system so far....You see the hole that is on the side, channeling the water out ?   Well it happens to be 1 1/16”.  Yup!  Proprietary nonsense! 

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_165945_zpsvmkjm4pv.jpg)

Try to find PVC or nylon tubing with an inner diameter of 1 1/16”.   Fiskars, you can go pound sand! They do this because they want you to use their plumbing fixtures, their barrel, and their little watering can.   Ha!  Fiskar's you can suck it!   I worked around your little proprietary ploy to get me to buy everything else you sell!   These asshat's even registered the URL http://www.rain-barrel.com/.   

Rant over, back to hooking it up.   

I cut my downspout, again ABOVE the height of my barrels.  Attached the top reducer.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_170518_zpsrmxfb1qv.jpg)

Attached the diverter to the reducer.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_170649_zpsdxr0liux.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 08:05:43 PM
I then used 2” tee's, this time the tee is a threaded 3/4” PVC, to which I used the same 3/4” coupler as above, this has 3/4” male threads to 3/4” female slip.   I cut a couple of small lengths of 3/4” PVC and completed the pair.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_171141_zpsqfaylvzk.jpg)

As you see, I then took those sections, cut some 2” PVC and joined them together, capping the upper end.   The aforementioned 1 1/16” hose will now snug down nicely over the 3/4” stubs I've just created.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_172416_zps9ey4lumt.jpg)

I made sure everything was level.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_175725_zpseuzn4qlr.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 08:06:37 PM
Here is a final look at what I've finished so far.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140614_172408_zpstkoajrwg.jpg)


Stay tuned, back at it tomorrow!
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 14, 2014, 08:30:21 PM
:clap:

Nicely done. Thanks for all the pics and detailed descriptions.  Threads like this are a great reference source for the community.

Thanks,   I hope it isn't too much info.  Sometimes that can be just as confusing as not enough.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: riverbend_rich on June 14, 2014, 08:43:30 PM
Nice work and thanks for the detail! I want to get one going soon but I first need gutters. And before that I need to replace all of the rotten facia and flashing! (Never ending list of projects)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 16, 2014, 08:20:01 AM


I worked slowly yesterday.   Combination of the sun and some stomach issues had me at about half speed.   But lots of Gatorade and rest, I got through some more.   I'm hoping by mid-week to have it ready for water.

I chocked the barrels with some 4x4 posts and 2x6 lumber.   I loosely fit the chocks in place between the barrels and drew mark lines.   Removed the barrels and secured with some nails and lags.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140615_121727_zpsyaaxdrvh.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140615_124138_zpsif2sd5ds.jpg)


My lag bolts barely make it into the timber, but the 2x6 is securely mounted to it.  I'm not worried about this holding at all.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140615_131250_zpsuuq8wumg.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140615_131230_zpscszaqocs.jpg)

Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 16, 2014, 08:24:49 AM


With the barrels off, I started working on securing the pipe. First, the barrel connections.

Every connection that has threaded ends gets a good wrap of tape dope.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140615_140602_zpscuh775zx.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140615_140728_zpsgscpmriw.jpg)

The bottom bung (the drain, with coarse threading) was screwed in with a bung wrench and then the center 3/4" coupler taped and tightened.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140615_144041_zpsfu1def36.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140615_144108_zpsweha69a9.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140615_144252_zpsdylumqta.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 16, 2014, 08:31:55 AM


I missed getting pics of gluing the slip connections.   For the record, this is simple.   The only thing to worry about here is making sure your checking your length as you glue things together.   

As previously mentioned, everything was loosely fit.   Sometimes that hides your short cuts until you got something wet with glue.   

Sand every surface you want to glue.   It doesn't have to be much, just rough it up.  Knock the "shiney" off of the PVC and the glue sticks much better.


(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140615_161730_zpsxjv4gh0n.jpg)


(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140615_161746_zps8ebdy3ri.jpg)


My final runs have not been glued into the barrels yet.   Here is what they look like...

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140616_092056_zpsfajez6zt.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 16, 2014, 08:33:57 AM


Ready for painting

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140616_092100_zps589uoobv.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140616_092647_zpshg961dtq.jpg)

Bottoms are done and drying.   Will flip over and get the rest once dry.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140616_094135_zps9qhgfykp.jpg)

Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: Cedar on June 16, 2014, 09:13:38 AM
Looking great!

Cedar
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 16, 2014, 04:15:49 PM
Painting the barrels done for the most part.   Rain clouds on the horizon, stopping for the night.   Still have to paint the PVC.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140616_165922_zpsgbdwdlu4.jpg)

Used some scrap PVC to keep the paint from getting into my couplers.  I didn't want these painted where the glue would be.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140616_165932_zps1ixrgq78.jpg)
(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140616_165940_zps8nnxejvu.jpg)



Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: Josh the Aspie on June 16, 2014, 05:08:35 PM
I followed a link here from one of the status update threads.

That's quite a project, congratulations!

One comment though, about the water levels.  I figure you already know this, but if you commented on it, I didn't see it, so I want to make sure.

In order to keep the level of water between the barrels even, and give you a good indicator of the water-line, you'll need the water to use the lower pipes to gravity equalize, which will mean keeping the barrel spigots on the lower level open, while the pipe-wide outflow valve remains closed.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 16, 2014, 05:19:49 PM
I followed a link here from one of the status update threads.

That's quite a project, congratulations!

One comment though, about the water levels.  I figure you already know this, but if you commented on it, I didn't see it, so I want to make sure.

In order to keep the level of water between the barrels even, and give you a good indicator of the water-line, you'll need the water to use the lower pipes to gravity equalize, which will mean keeping the barrel spigots on the lower level open, while the pipe-wide outflow valve remains closed.

yes, good point on the gauge level.   My plan is to leave everything wide open all the time.   The valves are there for built in flexibility of the system.   I thought of putting valves on the top run too, but 2" PVC valves are like $15 each.   $60 total, for just a little flexibility, was not worth it to me.

If I do shut off a valve, you are correct, the water gauge is not reliable.

Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: NCFreedom on June 16, 2014, 07:50:32 PM
nice work man!  Good job detailing all your work too.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: strensk on June 17, 2014, 10:06:20 AM
Good job, love the detail...

I may have missed it initially, but what are your plans for the collected water?
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 17, 2014, 10:40:29 AM
Good job, love the detail...

I may have missed it initially, but what are your plans for the collected water?

Watering my garden mainly.   I would filter and drink it if necessary, you never know what the future holds. 

I have a 12K gallon pool in the side yard too.   I'd bucket it into the house and use that mainly as a "toilet flusher", "bath taker", "dishes cleaner"  if my city water were to get interupted.   I'd even filter and drink the pool water it if times were tough.   But the pool is a last resort option for me for drinking water.   I'd walk to one of the two or three streams I have near the house first before I'd resort to the pool.

I also keep about 30 gallons of water stored in 2 liter soda bottles.   I have three or four different ways to filter/sanitize my water too....and want to add a Berky system.  It may be my birthday present to myself :).
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: endurance on June 17, 2014, 11:17:46 AM
One suggestion I'd make is adding just a little bit of bleach from time to time.  There's a lot of pollen and dirt that get flushed into the system, which is all food for bacteria.  When I first set up my system, which is underground for the most part, I discovered my water smelled awful (like rotten eggs) by the end of the first summer.  Just a quarter cup of bleach in each of my 275 gallon totes and the smell was gone in a matter of days.  Now I use bleach as a preventative.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 17, 2014, 02:22:30 PM
I got the PVC pipes painted this morning.  Dried throughout the day.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140617_080527_zps3ygygf2n.jpg)

I hooked in the diverter flex hose and attached to my end piece

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140617_154513_zpsoc2rd25o.jpg)

Glued on the rest of the PVC pipes

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140617_160308_zps1fs5xaw2.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 17, 2014, 02:26:43 PM

It's ready to catch water!

Final touches are done.   I put the screen in the diverter, this helps keep large debris from entering the system..

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140617_160613_zpstutvcgxv.jpg)

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140617_160712_zps3zwxd41v.jpg)
 

I added a rain gauge.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140617_161242_zpso9gnzsxd.jpg)


Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 17, 2014, 02:29:25 PM
Obviously, I have some final touches. but all that can be done with water in the system.   I have to build a small brace to hold up the PVC running up toward the house.   I may have to build a small brace on the diverter too, we'll see.

My next project is to put up a lattice box around this, screen it in with black plastic and hide the whole system from the sun.   I have to paint the outside of the basement wall this summer too, so everything will get a nice bright white coat of paint.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: archer on June 17, 2014, 02:44:36 PM
congrats!!! now hope for rain!
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: Hootie on June 17, 2014, 05:16:38 PM
let me know how you like that downspout diverter.

I am using a 50 gallon trash as a giant filter to remove leaf litter and would love to use something smaller.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 18, 2014, 08:09:41 AM
This was a great thread. I've been lazy as of late with my projects and this was the inspiration I needed to get back with it.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 19, 2014, 05:48:26 AM
This was a great thread. I've been lazy as of late with my projects and this was the inspiration I needed to get back with it.

In the words of Larry the Cable Guy, "Git R Dun!"   I hope you have a chance to do something like this TWH!   It was fun, and got me using skills in carpentry, plumbing, and painting.   Not to mention, math and science.   Sure, it isn't rocket science over here, but I did have to stop and think a little :).   


Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: Nicodemus on June 19, 2014, 05:52:56 AM
Nice work!
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 19, 2014, 06:06:08 AM


OK, it rained!   Not much, between .3 and .4 inches....

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140619_072657_zpsjfkrgnhh.jpg)

I guess I don't need much.   The barrels are almost half fllled already!   Hard to tell in this picture, but the waterline is there if you look close.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20140619_072643_zpsubi8bp8v.jpg)

So, rough calculations here, it will take about 1 inch of rain to fill my barrels from empty.   I also roughly figured the front half of my roof is about 672 sq feet.   I may to google for some equations to see what I can predict for the future, but honestly, it fills when it fills.   

I'm so happy such a little amount of rain got me as much as it did!   :happydance:
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: mountainmoma on June 19, 2014, 08:27:51 AM
great job !
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: endurance on June 19, 2014, 08:34:28 AM
The calculation I've always been given is that for every 1000 square feet of roof, 1" will provide 600 gallons.  I've never checked the math on that, but based on my experience with a 240 square foot collection area and a 275 gallon IBC tote, it's in the ball park.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 19, 2014, 09:08:18 AM
The calculation I've always been given is that for every 1000 square feet of roof, 1" will provide 600 gallons.  I've never checked the math on that, but based on my experience with a 240 square foot collection area and a 275 gallon IBC tote, it's in the ball park.

Yea, there seems to be no easy method to get this calculated.   I'm reading about "collection effeciency" and so forth now.   Honestly, it's not worth it other than it is sort of a fun puzzle to solve.   "Ball park" is all I need.   I may need to climb up on the roof and measure it now :).

At your rate, that is .6 gallons per sq ft, per 1" of rain.  So I got .4" of rain last night, that filled me to about 100 gallons.   

.6 (gallons) x 672 (sq feet) x.4 (inches of rain last night)=161.28 gallons.    So, given this equation my collection efficency is about 61%, that's if my #'s are right.   I could have less sq feet and my rain gauge is the cheapest they make :).   

Another factor at play here....is my diverter capable of gathering 100% of the runoff? I don't think so, I think most of the water I'm losing is simply because the diverter can't keep up and the overflow is going into the downspout.   The rest of my system should be big enough not to bottleneck the flow into the barrels.

But again, "ballparking" it is all i really need.   And if I can fill it up every time it rains an inch, I'm a happy camper.  We get on average about 4 inches of rain per month in the summer.   That means I can, on average, drain the system once a week and expect it to refill.



Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 19, 2014, 11:30:50 AM
Another burst from the clouds this morning.....and its full.   Wow it fills fast.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: nkawtg on June 19, 2014, 11:51:21 AM
Rain is nice!
Vegas sucks....
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: endurance on June 19, 2014, 12:03:46 PM
Another burst from the clouds this morning.....and its full.   Wow it fills fast.
Cool!
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: Perfesser on June 19, 2014, 02:21:56 PM
Nice work. Maybe a bit of overkill on the piping and valves but nice workmanship. I used 3/4" NPT standard garden hose valves, garden hose header (4 outlets screw on a standard valve), short hoses or washing machine supply lines(2 female ends on a short hose). 

Re: first flush
I happened to be in the box store and found that a plastic toilet tank float fits just inside a 3 or 4"PVC pipe. You would have to make the rest up as you go but the only hard part is to find a good sturdy float ball.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on June 07, 2015, 06:21:43 PM
I added a first flush system today.   My gutters needed cleaned out, it was the first time in 6 years I have needed to do that.   The neighbor's maple tree really had an abnormal amount of those "helicopter" seeds this year.   I found them clogging my downspouts on both front and back gutters.    So I decided to add this just as a saftey measure.   Probably more overkill, but it wasn't much money and I had fun building it.

(http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag432/mountainstateprepper1/water%20catchment/20150607_110205_zpskywbxkpy.jpg)
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: Denny27 on January 22, 2016, 01:52:33 PM
How about a little detail on the first flush. I'm looking to add that to mine, but not sure how.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on January 22, 2016, 02:34:27 PM
How about a little detail on the first flush. I'm looking to add that to mine, but not sure how.

My first flush was very simple.   I put a 2" threaded T, opening it up to a 4 inch pipe.    The bottom is just a temporary cap that I glued in.   I can unscrew it at the "T" and dump it out.

I did not put a ball (float) valve in mine, although it really should have one to make it a better flush.  Like this...

(http://www.tightspottanks.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/flush-diverter.gif)


I do not have many trees around my house, and get very little gutter debris.   I put a metal roof on my house last year, so i don't even get those asphalt crumbles anymore either.   As long as I dump it after every rain, I'm good.

I don't think you need to buy one of these per se, you can construct one yourself out of the same 2" and 4" PVC i have here, adding a 3" plastic ball from a child's toy, or perhaps one of those colored balls from a bounce house.

Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: archer on January 22, 2016, 02:52:53 PM
cool. now i have the land, time to do a setup like this. Or shall I get a tote.. hmm.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: archer on April 23, 2016, 07:43:40 PM
so i picked up a 275 gallon tote,  anyone have suggestions on how to set it up? Just clear the ground and put it there? build a base from 4x4's and gravel? put it on cinder blocks? tia.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: d3nni5 on April 23, 2016, 10:42:27 PM
so i picked up a 275 gallon tote,  anyone have suggestions on how to set it up? Just clear the ground and put it there? build a base from 4x4's and gravel? put it on cinder blocks? tia.

At 8 lbs a gallon, we are looking at approximately  2200 lbs full.   I would say you want to use  posts anchored in the ground past the frost line with quickcrete settings.   The problem here is the ground sinking or shifting, then you got a whole lot of water sloshing around.   I worried about the cinder blocks shifting when I set up my system.

Another nice thing about setting posts and working from there....it is easier to level, not as much digging involved.   
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: endurance on April 25, 2016, 09:31:49 AM
so i picked up a 275 gallon tote,  anyone have suggestions on how to set it up? Just clear the ground and put it there? build a base from 4x4's and gravel? put it on cinder blocks? tia.
I have two underground, two above ground. The underground ones are on a scraped flat pad, the above ground ones are just on cleared ground with some bricks and cinderblocks used to help level them. They're a big heavy box of water. If yours have the 2" threaded fittings, you are set. Everything you need from there is at the hardware store. If it's that proprietary thread, I used one of those 2" to 2" rubber low pressure thingies with the hose clamps on each end to get to 2" PVC. Once you're at 2" PVC, you have options to go to 3/4" garden hose fairly easily.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: archer on April 25, 2016, 10:23:34 AM
It has the clamp on hose fittings and the guy who picked it up for me got that also. Now I just need to flatten out the ground. I'd rather not have it fall over...
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: endurance on April 25, 2016, 11:17:37 AM
It has the clamp on hose fittings and the guy who picked it up for me got that also. Now I just need to flatten out the ground. I'd rather not have it fall over...
I've abused mine badly. They're not truly level, they get full sun in the mornings, and one froze solid three winters in a row. They're a lot tougher than they look. I was shocked when they froze and the valve didn't burst.
Title: Re: MSP's Rain Catchment Project
Post by: scoob on April 26, 2016, 05:59:25 AM
For the benefit of those that don't know anything about plumbing, the rubber couplings
are typically called "Fernco" couplings.  Fernco is the Q-Tip of couplings. 
They look like this:

(http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/31/31ffd297-a231-4f02-9415-fa9bf971e4be_400.jpg)

You can get them them from the big box:

Home Depot 2" Fernco (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Fernco-2-in-x-2-in-PVC-Plastic-Socket-to-Plastic-Socket-Flexible-Coupling-1060-22/203310960)

It's a good idea to keep one or two of different sizes around the home or homestead.  Hint-hint.  ;)