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Title: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Speaker0311 on February 27, 2015, 11:02:00 AM
I dont see where the NRA is spending my money in my interest. Backing Harry Ried, this ammo ban coming out of nowhere, not sponsoring or promoting (as far as I can see) actual activism such as open carrying. In addition to constantly telling me OBAMAS GONNA GET YUR GUNS and begging for more money everytime I open the mail box.

Maybe Im just in a bad mood but this lifetime membership is probably going away tonight.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: hackmeister on February 27, 2015, 11:18:41 AM
Well there are doing some good things in Pennsylvania by suing municipalities that ignore the state's preemption laws:
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=52211.0
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 27, 2015, 12:10:44 PM
My private range requires NRA membership as a pre-requisite.  I think it has something to do with underwriting the club's insurance.
I'm generally very supportive of their support of shooting sports, and participate in some of their hosted clinics.

Politically I am more dismayed. I've begged and pleaded for the NRA to get involved with recent issues at our state level, but they do next to nothing.
Seems they prefer to make a big show at the national level - but in truth the real threats to our gun rights are at the local level.

Neither Obama, or congress will take away our guns - that'll happen one city council meeting at a time...
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Alpha Mike on February 27, 2015, 02:43:36 PM
If you have a lifetime membership. it really is not costing you anything (except for the extra junk mail). 
The NRA does tend to "pick" it's fights.  For a while it pretty much abandoned California, but now that we have won some significant lawsuits against the .GOV, they are back supporting the efforts of the locals.

just my $.02

AM
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: flippydidit on February 27, 2015, 02:56:08 PM
I discarded my membership a few years ago and never looked back.  Just another lobbyist pleading for more money to less with than I accomplish in a month.  They have plenty of money.  They don't need yours.  Maybe when they run out they'll realize that schmoozing people at black tie, $600 dollar a plate dinners, while they auction off multi-thousand dollar guns to their best pals is not the way to preserve our Constitutional Rights.  Then again......
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: endurance on February 27, 2015, 03:10:13 PM
It's hard not to support them when they do so much for helping ranges stay in business and bring new folks into the fold. Their network of instructors and ranges is unparalleled. That doesn't mean they are the best investment for fighting political fights, but for growing and improving the sport, Appleseed it the only other group on the field (and they use mostly NRA insured ranges).
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on February 27, 2015, 03:16:33 PM
It's hard not to support them when they do so much for helping ranges stay in business and bring new folks into the fold. Their network of instructors and ranges is unparalleled. That doesn't mean they are the best investment for fighting political fights, but for growing and improving the sport, Appleseed it the only other group on the field (and they use mostly NRA insured ranges).

I agree. Few people are aware how much they offer to recreational shooting.  I'm personally an NRA range safety officer.  I paid a few bucks, attended an all day course, and now can earn service hours shooting the breeze with old guys talking guns.  Beats the snot out of pulling weeds or painting the storage shed for my volunteer hours :)
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on February 27, 2015, 03:34:02 PM
I've got mixed feelings about the NRA, they drive me crazy with all the mailings and robocalls asking for more money.  When I mailed off my life membership dues years ago, I told myself that was good enough, I've done my part and they aren't getting any more of my money.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Jack Crabb on February 27, 2015, 03:34:34 PM
A life membership costs nothing to continue.

Advertising rates are set by the number of subscribers. Your membership is a legitimate subscription number that helps advertising revenue.

It is the "National" Rifle Association, not state or local rifle association. There are any number of state and local organizations to work that level.

Few, if any, organizations can match the financial clout that the NRA brings. Not only can they fund candidates directly, they can fund organizations to help candidates. Being able to present elected officials with the backing of millions of members vs. the antis hundreds of members carries some weight.

Quantity has a quality all of its own. Having an 800 pound gorilla on your side is good.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 27, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
I think the NRA is one of those necessary evils. They've done good, bad, and questionable things in the past. What rubs me the wrong way the most is the articles in their magazines. All three are 75% the same fear-tactics based articles each month with a few actually interesting things in there. I've quit looking at them, pull out the HF coupons, and am done with it.

I do appreciate the points that have been brought up about their role in ranges and shooting, it casts a different light on how I've always viewed them. I never really put thought into that aspect of the NRA because all I ever see is 'Fear this' and 'They want our guns that'.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: JLMissouri on February 27, 2015, 06:01:05 PM
I agree that their fear based revenue system is annoying as well as asking for money all the time. That said the good far outweighs the bad. They are by far the largest national pro-gun lobby group and they do make a difference on the national level. Maybe not as much on the states level, but they probably help more than many think. The NRA was behind many of the concealed carry laws passed in states the last decade. Having a powerful lobby that most elected officials don't want to be on the wrong side of can get things done.

Here in Missouri the NRA helped with passing the concealed carry law, and they have helped just about every other state with that effort as well. Often behind the scenes. Just because guns seem pretty safe now doesn't mean they will stay that way. The NRA helps, when I was growing up I was pretty sure it was just a matter of time before guns were going to be banned. Luckily on average public sentiment has swung in guns favor the last decade. The NRA is probably one of the main reasons we still even have the right.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: gundog on February 27, 2015, 07:11:32 PM
When someone else comes along and do a better job I'll stop being an NRA supporter. Reminds me of the quote.........capitalism the worst system........besides the others. Thats how I feel about the NRA.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: endurance on February 27, 2015, 07:20:47 PM
When someone else comes along and do a better job I'll stop being an NRA supporter. Reminds me of the quote.........capitalism the worst system........besides the others. Thats how I feel about the NRA.
For fighting state bills, there's often local groups that do a better job.  Different eggs for different baskets.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: ResidentCelt on February 27, 2015, 07:48:50 PM
I dont see where the NRA is spending my money in my interest. Backing Harry Ried, this ammo ban coming out of nowhere, not sponsoring or promoting (as far as I can see) actual activism such as open carrying. In addition to constantly telling me OBAMAS GONNA GET YUR GUNS and begging for more money everytime I open the mail box.

Maybe Im just in a bad mood but this lifetime membership is probably going away tonight.

Disclaimer, I'm not a member of the NRA. But,

1. Insurance. Most homeowner's limits total firearm coverage to 1000 or maybe 2000 bucks. NRA gives you coverage up to 7500 I think.

2. Harry Reid. They back him for 1 reason only. Reid is the senate majority leader. Do you know who will be senate majority leader if Reid loses his seat? Chuck Schumer. He is probably the most anti-gun politician in the history of forever, second only to Michael Bloomberg and Bloomberg isn't in the senate. Reid is wishy-washy on guns. Schumer will push to criminalize thoughts about guns and refuse to consider any pro-gun bills on the floor. Reid will at least let pro-gun bills be voted on.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: David in MN on February 28, 2015, 06:34:21 AM
I think it speaks to a broader schism in the shooting community. I gave a speech at our range last year about attracting younger shooters. It boiled down to: New shooters aren't coming in with $2000 over under shotguns looking to join the sporting clays league. They're coming in with a used Glock looking for fun targets and courses of fire on a pistol range.

I think the NRA got pigeon holed focusing on hunting (I'll never go on an African safari), wine clubs, etc. They totally missed the bus on modern shooting sports. They've gotten a little better over the years and It's nice to see them embrace the tactical side a little more. Hopefully we find room for all shooting enthusiasts.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Mortblanc on March 01, 2015, 10:55:21 AM
You can do all the whining and complaining you wish, the fact of the matter is that if it were not for the NRA the Second Amendment would have been repealed in 1968 and we would all be discussing the best way to soup up an air rifle and still stay below 12ft/lbs energy,  like the British forums.

I was there and I remember the feeling of helplessness as the media guided the political process to the edge of the cliff and then screamed because they did not push the gun owners over the edge.

Only the presence of the NRA stopped that plot before the days of e-mail and direct access to one's reps in congress.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: machinisttx on August 25, 2015, 01:23:35 AM
Last time I checked, the NRA-ILA had tried to have the Heller vs DC case rolled into one of their own cases so they could kill it(feel free to go look up Heller's, or Robert Levy's, comments on that if you don't believe me). Outside of that case, SAF has been the major player in actual accomplishments(McDonald vs Chicago was one) in the last couple decades with the NRA-ILA riding their coattails. Then there is this, which should be pretty well known: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGySNLyACE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGySNLyACE)
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Chemsoldier on August 25, 2015, 04:56:54 PM
Last time I checked, the NRA-ILA had tried to have the Heller vs DC case rolled into one of their own cases so they could kill it(feel free to go look up Heller's, or Robert Levy's, comments on that if you don't believe me). Outside of that case, SAF has been the major player in actual accomplishments(McDonald vs Chicago was one) in the last couple decades with the NRA-ILA riding their coattails. Then there is this, which should be pretty well known: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGySNLyACE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGySNLyACE)
We could also attack the SAF for Gottleib's belief that universal background checks are inevitable and we should try to get something for it.
http://www.guns.com/2014/05/01/gottlieb-gun-rights-lobby-needs-to-lead-not-follow-on-background-checks-video/

There was also the big flap when JPFO was absorbed into the SAF after the death of Aaron Zelman. 

Get big enough, do enough and raise enough money and someone will dislike you.  Whether deserved or not *shrug*?  Look at the trajectory of bloggers and podcasters.  Inevitably, as they get more popular, people start cropping up that seem dang near incensed that the blogger or podcaster even exists.

The money I give the NRA anymore usually goes to the NRA Foundation.  Though the next time they do a big discount to the membership rates I will likely up my membership level again (I am above Life already).
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on December 13, 2018, 03:14:02 PM
Today's the final straw for me. 

Obviously my $1000 is gone for good, but I want my name removed from NRA Lifetime Membership. 

Anybody know how to best go about that?
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: kid_couteau on December 13, 2018, 05:20:37 PM
What happened? I missed it?
Kid
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on December 13, 2018, 05:26:31 PM
What happened?

Maria Valeryevna Butina
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 13, 2018, 08:15:05 PM
Maria Valeryevna Butina

You cant really blame her.  They locked her up for 5 months and said they would detain her indefinitely.  But if she plea bargained she would get sentence for about five months and so would walk free given time held.  Most people would take that offer so they can get on with life regardless of innocence.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on December 13, 2018, 09:01:09 PM
I don't blame her.

I blame the feckless "patriots" running the NRA.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 13, 2018, 09:32:20 PM
I don't blame her.

I blame the feckless "patriots" running the NRA.

Gotcha. 

To answer your question you write a simple resignation letter and mail it in.

On the other hand, you could stay in organization and work to change board.  There is going to be quite a challenge in upcoming election.  Personally, I think Wayne LaPierre will be leaving soon.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: David in MN on December 14, 2018, 07:16:44 AM
It's a PITA phone call. I did it a few years back as I saw the NRA as nothing but a Republican front group and not a gun advocacy group. They were late to the party on all the 2nd tests at the supreme court and have supported gun bans. The latest fiasco is nothing but proof.

It's a sad time when I'm no longer a member of the NRA and ACLU. But when they show their hand as nothing but a shill group I'm moving on.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 14, 2018, 07:46:38 AM
It's a sad time when I'm no longer a member of the NRA and ACLU. But when they show their hand as nothing but a shill group I'm moving on.

Yeah. It was a sad day when I dropoed ACLU.  But there is a difference.  ACLU is centralized and has no redeeming qualities.  The NRA is compartmentalized.  So while the political organization goes off the rails, the membership portion including education still goes strong.  And this is where vast majority of fees go.  If that fails the repurcussions will be great.  I have seen estimates of 75% of gun ranges closing, 50% of instructors leaving, 90% of youth shooting programs ending, and 100% of school firearm safety programs stopping.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 14, 2018, 05:30:01 PM
I don't blame her.

I blame the feckless "patriots" running the NRA.

You may want to consider the Wall Street Journal article with the actual details.  It is 180 degrees from the hyped articles being pushed in social media. The NRA and the lobbyist she was introduced to were found non-culpuble and no charges are being filed.  Also, they dropped all charges of her being an agent of the Russian government and cleared her of any involvement with election influence campaign.  She is only being charged because she accepted money to attend conferences "with the hope of making connections with prominent political players" for a banker without filing proper forms.  Likely outcome is sentence of six months which she has already served and $9k fine after which she will be sent back to Russia.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/maria-butina-pleads-guilty-to-conspiracy-to-influence-u-s-politics-11544719313 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/maria-butina-pleads-guilty-to-conspiracy-to-influence-u-s-politics-11544719313)

Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on December 14, 2018, 06:09:13 PM
It's a plea deal, she accepts responsibility for lesser crimes (for which there is likely much hard evidence) in exchange for fingering complicit US citizens.  Russia wins either way, regardless.

What are the chances the leadership at the NRA walk away from this with clean hands?  Was there anyone really stupid enough to believe in the oxymoronic concept of Russian Gun Rights?

It's ludicrous, sad, embarrassing, and disgusting all at the same time.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on December 15, 2018, 02:39:06 PM
Finally got a response back to my online query:

Quote
Thank you for contacting us.
 
As stated in the NRA Bylaws, Article III, Section 10, entitled, “Voluntary Termination of Membership,” “Any member may terminate his or her membership at any time by a resignation in writing sent by first class United States mail…” The Bylaws go on to state that “…such member will not be entitled to any refund of dues or contributions already paid.”
 
Please send your termination letter to:
National Rifle Association
ATTN: Office of the Secretary
11250 Waples Mill Rd.
Fairfax, VA 22030
 
We are not permitted to cancel a membership per any other request than in physical letter form received via US mail per the NRA Bylaws.
 
Thank you for your support!
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: David in MN on December 15, 2018, 02:56:32 PM
Finally got a response back to my online query:

Did mine on the phone. Maybe because I didn't have a life membership and paid annually. It was more of a "not renew" I guess.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 16, 2018, 09:24:21 AM
What are the chances the leadership at the NRA walk away from this with clean hands?  Was there anyone really stupid enough to believe in the oxymoronic concept of Russian Gun Rights?

Given that they said there was no malfeasance and no charges are being filed, 99.9%.

Gun rights have been expanding in Russia.  A few years back they ended the USSR ban.  Now anyone over 18 can get a shotgun and after 5 years of owning that a rifle. They are investigating adding handguns.  Even Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation travelled to Moscow to advocate for further liberalization via the International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights of which Butina’s group was a member.  Right now over 10% of Russians own guns which is about the same as New York state and a higher rate than several others.

Surely you dont believe Gottlieb, a key figure behind the string of supreme court 2A victories, is a Russian agent?
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on December 16, 2018, 04:11:34 PM
Butina's "organization" had 10,000 members, tops, and is supposedly struggling for the right to own something more capable than a double barrel shotgun, while the NRA has millions of members.  Now, if the NRA was looking to help expand Russian rights, you'd expect to see a flow of money and support towards Russia.  Not quite how it happened, is it?  Why?
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Stwood on December 16, 2018, 05:17:05 PM
I've never been a member, and it's too late in life for me to consider one.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on December 16, 2018, 05:58:59 PM
Now, if the NRA was looking to help expand Russian rights, you'd expect to see a flow of money and support towards Russia.  Not quite how it happened, is it?  Why?

Not sure what you are implying here or from where your information is coming..  Gottlieb and the others did travel to Russia to push for liberalization. It was primarily about handguns.  Russians already can own shotguns and rifles as stated above.   From 2013:

http://www.thegunmag.com/civilian-arms-rights-advocates-meet-russia/ (http://www.thegunmag.com/civilian-arms-rights-advocates-meet-russia/)

Civilian Arms Rights Advocates Meet In Russia

Americans are not alone in having a fundamental desire for a right to keep and bear firearms for self-defense.

While the right to arms continues to be an important political, legal and media struggle in the United States, representatives of dozens of countries from around the world gathered in Moscow to press their case for greater access to personal arms.

Representatives of gun rights associations from 56 Russian provinces were in attendance and speaking as well as Russian political leaders and firearms manufacturers.

They were joined by representatives from countries in eastern and Western Europe and Asia, including India, Israel, Italy and the USA.

The event was the 2nd Annual Meeting of international gun rights organizations hosted by the Moscow-based Right to Bear Arms organization, and the UN Arms Trade Treaty was as much a key topic as the arms rights debate in all of the nations involved in the conference.

In all, over 200 people participated in six-languages, with participants listening through headphones with UN-style multiple immediate translations.

Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, was the leadoff speaker. Gottlieb is also the founder and a director of the International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights (IAPCAR), of which the Russian Right to Bear Arms association is a long-time member.

Gottlieb told TGM that he believed there was considerable support in the Russian parliament for more relaxed firearms rights legislation, but it was unclear whether there was yet enough for a majority.

Julianne Versnel, a representative to the United Nations, who is also the Second Amendment Foundation’s Director of Operations, also spoke early at the Moscow meeting. During the UN’s deliberations of the Arms Trade Treaty in March she submitted testimony objecting to the exclusion of civilian arms rights from the ATT.

“Nothing that is in an Arms Trade Treaty should affect a woman’s right to defend herself,” Versnel told the delegates, as she linked the arms rights debate to earlier adoption of UN treaties on human rights that focused on women.

Former National Rifle Association President David Keene also spoke later in the program, representing the Association. The NRA and SAF are both members of the World Forum on Shooting Sports.

Immediately after the Moscow meeting, IAPCAR announced that civilian arms rights groups in the Ukraine, Moldova, and Belarus had joined the international coalition of 28 associations in 20 countries dedicated to the preservation and defense of civilian firearms rights.

They include the Ukrainian Gun Owners Association, Moldova’s Practical Shooting Association, and the Association of Practical Shooting in Belarus.

“The global coalition of like-minded civilian arms rights groups is unified with greater strength in Europe now more than ever before,” IAPCAR’s Executive Director Philip Watson said. “I think most people agree with the right of self-defense, that’s why our coalition just continues to grow.” The three groups will expand the European membership of IAPCAR to ten groups from ten different EU and non-EU countries.

The IAPCAR civilian arms rights coalition is focused on opposition to the ATT, which does not acknowledge or protect civilian arms rights or recognize the right to self-defense in its enforceable language.

Civilian arms rights vary considerably from country to country.

Readers are familiar with the fact that Americans face a hodgepodge of state gun laws as well as federal laws and regulations.

In other nations, the right to arms may be more stringently controlled.

In Russia, for example, civilians may own hunting rifles and shotguns, plus gas-powered pistols, but cartridge guns, whether for home protection or concealed carry, are almost totally prohibited, and licensing and registration many vary considerably from one province to another.

Presently, many Russian lawmakers are pressing for a relaxation of laws regulating pistols for possession outside the home.

The cultural program at the meeting featured an exhibition of photographic work by Olga Volk, a Russian-American freelance photographer that focused on the theme of people carrying civilian weapons, prepared to defend their families and homes.


I could reach out to Olga Volk for more information on the meeting. We met through Appleseeding.about a decade ago.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 27, 2019, 11:25:47 AM
The NRA Convention sounds like it’s been interesting. Oliver North’s attempt to oust Wayne LaPierre by threatening to release dirt has backfired.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 27, 2019, 11:48:06 AM
The NRA Convention sounds like it’s been interesting. Oliver North’s attempt to oust Wayne LaPierre by threatening to release dirt has backfired.

Been getting from the ground reports for last two days.  Everyone there is quite upbeat. Membership has grown to over 5.5 million and is rising quickly.  And the Indiana passed legislation to protect places of worship is being heralded as a model for country.

What backfired was North's hidden deal with Ackerman McQueen.  He is implicated in that lawsuit.That said, the board has been too lenient on governance of NRA officers and staff.  That will change and NRA will come out even stronger going forward.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Stwood on April 27, 2019, 12:51:01 PM
Shady deals everywhere
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 27, 2019, 02:49:15 PM
Shady deals everywhere

And big egos.  That is why it is so important to have good board of directors in these organizations.

Instructor Stephen Gutowski just tweeted out that he got a chance to talk to NRA board member Allen West.  Here is the raw video he is sharing:

https://youtu.be/QBQQTma5--w (https://youtu.be/QBQQTma5--w)

It will be sorted in the meetings on Monday. Expect a new auditing system with monthly reviews by BOD to be in place shortly.  Also, NRA is going to shift significant money to training which is important given the number of new gun owners.  Those are the two big things members want.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 27, 2019, 05:06:06 PM
What are they saying about the legal battle with NY AG?
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: antsyaunt on April 27, 2019, 05:44:09 PM
What are they saying about the legal battle with NY AG?
This.  As a NY resident, I feel abandoned. 
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 27, 2019, 10:44:58 PM
Sounds like Ollie is corrupt AF, in bed with the equally corrupt Ackerman McQueen which runs NRA’s media and they’re pulling the classic extortion scheme.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 27, 2019, 11:07:42 PM
What are they saying about the legal battle with NY AG?

Not much concern.  Letitia James completely undermined her fake investigation by calling NRA a terrorist organization.  The legal team seemingly has things well in hand.  She is a spitting image of Michael Avenatti. 

This.  As a NY resident, I feel abandoned. 

Abandoned in what way?  The NRA is right now spending huge resources fighting for New Yorkers' rights in the N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol Association v. City of N.Y., case in front of the Supreme Court.  The continued losses on that case is why James launched her fake investigation.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Mr. Bill on April 28, 2019, 12:15:19 PM
Related topic that I probably should have posted in this thread:
The New Yorker is dubious about the NRA's finances (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=64024.0)
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 28, 2019, 12:59:23 PM
Does anyone know if the NRA observed a moment of silence for Maria Butina? 
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Mr. Bill on April 28, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
Does anyone know if the NRA observed a moment of silence for Maria Butina?

 :spit:
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 28, 2019, 02:01:53 PM
Does anyone know if the NRA observed a moment of silence for Maria Butina?

No.  Everyone knew from the start that the whole "NRA is an agent of Putin" narrative was fake news.  So the Mueller exoneration and complete absence of NRA from his report was no surprise to the membership. 

Same with these new stories out of New York. The New York press knows nothing of the workings of the NRA (or firearms for that matter).  So everyone takes all that with a huge grain of salt. If anything these fake stories just backfire and help with membership growth and fundraising.  The more fake news claiming the NRA is a group of terrorists, the lower the news credibility goes, and the more willing people are to become involved. The industry loves it as it sells tons of firearms.  And the polling data looks good too with a majority of Americans having a favorable rating of the NRA, one of only a handful of institutions.

So all reports are membership is very upbeat and having a good time at convention.  Word is Chuck Norris is knocking it out of the park as the new Glock spokesperson.  There is a movement afoot to draft him as new NRA president, LOL.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 28, 2019, 02:29:15 PM
John Lott does a pretty good job explaining how the membership feels.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/john-lott-second-amendment-nra-oliver-north (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/john-lott-second-amendment-nra-oliver-north)
John Lott: NRA turmoil is not a threat to Second Amendment but THIS could do real harm

The announcement Saturday that Oliver North is stepping down as president of the National Rifle Association – following news that the New York attorney general is investigating the group’s tax-exempt status – has sparked overwrought media speculation that the NRA is in danger of shutting down.

It’s not.

Try as they might, those on the left cannot wish the Second Amendment out of existence.
...
What happened to force North out?

It turns out that North and longtime NRA Executive Vice President and CEO Wayne LaPierre got into a power struggle. LaPierre came out on top.
...
The messy infighting is unfortunate, but, by itself, won’t get in the way of the NRA achieving its objectives.
...
The NRA has faced numerous challenges in recent years. Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg gives hundreds of millions of dollars each year to fund his gun control organizations, fund research that supports gun controls, and support political campaigns of candidates hostile to allowing individuals defending themselves.

This past year, Bloomberg spent $110 million just on Democratic campaigns for the U.S. House of Representatives. He devoted similar amounts to state-level races.

The state of New York, where the NRA is incorporated, has been particularly hostile to the nonprofit organization. State Attorney General Letitia James is investigating the NRA’s nonprofit status. Her office sent letters to the NRA and affiliated entities Friday to preserve relevant records for that investigation.

This action by James is reminiscent of how the Obama administration used the Internal Revenue Service to deny tax-exempt status to those it disagreed with politically and tilt the 2012 election toward Democrats.

New York state has gone so far as to make regulatory threats to force insurance companies and banks to stop doing business with the NRA, which has suffered tens of millions of dollars in losses as a result.

Even the liberal American Civil Liberties Union has joined the NRA in fighting what the group views as New York's outrageous actions, saying: “Our position in this case has nothing to do with our opinions on the NRA’s policies – it’s about the First Amendment rights of all organizations to engage in political advocacy without fear that the state will use its regulatory authority to penalize them for doing so.”
...
So in the long run, Oliver North stepping down as president of the NRA will be a footnote in history. But if Democratic politicians use this internal NRA battle as an excuse to further hobble their political enemies all Americans will come the losers.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 29, 2019, 12:55:37 AM
Rob Pincus apparently doesn’t think everything’s all sweetness and light at the NRA convention.

https://youtu.be/AJDNMiB36r8 (https://youtu.be/AJDNMiB36r8)
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 29, 2019, 01:42:18 PM
Rob Pincus apparently doesn’t think everything’s all sweetness and light at the NRA convention.

https://youtu.be/AJDNMiB36r8 (https://youtu.be/AJDNMiB36r8)

Sure, there are some legitimate issues as I outlined above.  But the "end is near" prophets are silly.  Some perspective: there are 5.5 Million NRA  members.  About 80 thousand of them are attending the conference.  Of them, about 2 thousand attended the general members meeting.  Of that two thousand, only a handful spoke with a negative perspective.  The general members voted to deal with the legitimate concerns in the Board meeting. 

The board has been meeting all day today.  About 200 members showed up at start.  Then the board went into executive session and has been in such for seven hours.  They have to come back to membership with real solutions like increasing auditing, potentially moving the corporate charter from New York to another state, reareanging budget for greater emphasis on training, and a full accounting of expenditures by Ackerman McQueen.

These are real topics being addressed by the member reps for the betterment of the organization.  The whole "sky is falling" over the top Bloomberg reporting is just nonsense.

Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 29, 2019, 03:24:24 PM
Knew this a few hours ago, but they had not officially released.  Board is unanimous on leadership.and Carolyn Meadows is the new NRA President.replacing Oliver North. Strong, experienced choice for governance..Anti-gun media is going to go nuts with a female president.  Expect the fake news hit pieces to start immediately.  I give it a day before they shift from mysogeny narrative to one of racism...they are totally predictable.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2019/4/29/nra-evp-wayne-lapierre-and-other-officers-elected-unanimously/ (https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2019/4/29/nra-evp-wayne-lapierre-and-other-officers-elected-unanimously/)
NRA EVP Wayne LaPierre and Other Officers Elected Unanimously
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on April 29, 2019, 04:41:55 PM


They have absolutely no qualms watching our rights go to sh!t state by state, but when there's a flimsy threat at the national level, we get panicked pleas to donate.
At this point I'd rather have no allies than the fear mongering, self-serving NRA.


I have no hope for change.  Praying the NRA implodes on itself. 
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 29, 2019, 05:20:49 PM
How can they change when the leadership that got us to this point are left in place for decades? 

I will say, I got one magazine and two mailers after sending my termination letter and not single piece of paper or robocall since.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 29, 2019, 05:39:18 PM
I thought you two were happy about the magazine ban lawsuit.  Who do you think paid for that case?
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 29, 2019, 05:55:32 PM
Where were they when the last batch of legislation came down here in CA? 

Oh, right, courting the goddamn Russians.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 29, 2019, 06:06:47 PM
Where were they when the last batch of legislation came down here in CA? 

Oh, right, courting the goddamn Russians.

What are you talking about?  The NRA has been pumping millions into lawsuits in California over the last four decades.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-nra-files-another-lawsuit-challenging-1504887910-htmlstory.html (https://www.baltimoresun.com/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-nra-files-another-lawsuit-challenging-1504887910-htmlstory.html)
NRA files another lawsuit challenging California's assault rifle restrictions
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 29, 2019, 06:53:18 PM
And our laws have never been worse.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 29, 2019, 07:21:46 PM
From Fox News:

https://youtu.be/cFaWDjj_zQ8 (https://youtu.be/cFaWDjj_zQ8)
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 29, 2019, 07:25:19 PM
And our laws have never been worse.

So are you doing what Rob Pincus suggests and every dollar your not sending to NRA is being sent to another gun rights organization like SAF?  That would be cool.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: antsyaunt on April 29, 2019, 07:50:04 PM
Not much concern.  Letitia James completely undermined her fake investigation by calling NRA a terrorist organization.  The legal team seemingly has things well in hand.  She is a spitting image of Michael Avenatti. 

Abandoned in what way?  The NRA is right now spending huge resources fighting for New Yorkers' rights in the N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol Association v. City of N.Y., case in front of the Supreme Court.  The continued losses on that case is why James launched her fake investigation.

I feel abandoned because I am not seeing how there have been changes for the better in the 5 years since the SAFE act was put into place.  We residents who are not in law enforcement or retired LEOs lost so much with that law.  Central NY state is mostly rural.  There are many people who enjoy owning and using firearms whether for hunting or developing marksmanship.  There are also many who feel that owning a gun is important for defending homes and selves.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 29, 2019, 08:42:32 PM
So are you doing what Rob Pincus suggests and every dollar your not sending to NRA is being sent to another gun rights organization like SAF?  That would be cool.

Yes.  California specific gun rights organizations.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 29, 2019, 09:07:04 PM
Yes.  California specific gun rights organizations.

 :clap:  Wouldnt want to lose you from the battle.

I feel abandoned because I am not seeing how there have been changes for the better in the 5 years since the SAFE act was put into place.  We residents who are not in law enforcement or retired LEOs lost so much with that law.  Central NY state is mostly rural.  There are many people who enjoy owning and using firearms whether for hunting or developing marksmanship.  There are also many who feel that owning a gun is important for defending homes and selves.

Taking down Cuomo is definitely a major objective and the NRA is one of the chief oponents of the SAFE act.  Winning the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. City of New York Supreme Court case is the number one legal agenda item.  That is why so many people have been joining the NRA state affiliate, the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association.  The number of members doubled in the last year, specifically because of the work to overturn the SAFE act.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on April 29, 2019, 09:32:29 PM
For over a decade I've been a paying member.  As of July 2019, an assault weapon designation goes into affect for new purchases in WA.  Even a Ruger 10/22 qualifies. 

This means registration, waiting period and waiving of various rights, including law enforcement inspection of said assault weapon storage, upon their discretion.

I've never had less firearm freedom where I live, but a man dressed like a politician is sending letters asking me to donate because Chuck Shumer or DiFi has some half assed national bill.  Guess what, I had to explain to my 15 year old that he cant legally buy a rifle until hes 21 now.  The NRA couldn't be bothered.

And no, I dont personally travel to my state legislature on work days, but as I'm a board member at a local gun club, im in close contact with those who do.  The SAF is testifying, but not the NRA. 

The mission of any gun rights org should be to remove the need for their own existence.  Seriously, the NRA needs just enough wins to seem effective, but if they over do it, we will get complacent and stop donating.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 29, 2019, 10:33:07 PM
For over a decade I've been a paying member.  As of July 2019, an assault weapon designation goes into affect for new purchases in WA.  Even a Ruger 10/22 qualifies. 

This means registration, waiting period and waiving of various rights, including law enforcement inspection of said assault weapon storage, upon their discretion.

I've never had less firearm freedom where I live, but a man dressed like a politician is sending letters asking me to donate because Chuck Shumer or DiFi has some half assed national bill.  Guess what, I had to explain to my 15 year old that he cant legally buy a rifle until hes 21 now.  The NRA couldn't be bothered.

And no, I dont personally travel to my state legislature on work days, but as I'm a board member at a local gun club, im in close contact with those who do.  The SAF is testifying, but not the NRA. 

The mission of any gun rights org should be to remove the need for their own existence.  Seriously, the NRA needs just enough wins to seem effective, but if they over do it, we will get complacent and stop donating.

NRA and SAF work hand-in-hand, drawing on each's strengths.  From a google search there were something like a dozen NRA funded lawsuits in Washington in the last year like these:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/18/nra-sues-washington-state-over-ballot-initiative-r/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/18/nra-sues-washington-state-over-ballot-initiative-r/)

NRA sues Washington state over ballot initiative raising minimum age for guns

The National Rifle Association and other Second Amendment supporters are suing the state of Washington to stall a ballot initiative passed this month to limit gun sales, after gun control advocates declared victory in the 2018 midterm elections.

The initiative, which was approved with 59 percent of the vote, increases to 21 the minimum age for purchasing semiautomatic rifles, among other changes.

The NRA says those are infringements on constitutional rights, and gun-rights advocates say the election was swayed by activist billionaires.

“We will not sit idly by while elitist anti-gun activists attempt to deny everyday Americans their fundamental right to self-defense,” said Chris W. Cox, who heads the NRA’s legislative lobbying arm.


https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190321/washington-nra-saf-lawsuit-against-city-of-edmonds-moves-forward (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190321/washington-nra-saf-lawsuit-against-city-of-edmonds-moves-forward)

Washington: NRA & SAF Lawsuit Against City of Edmonds Moves Forward

On March 20th, the Washington Superior Court rejected the defendant’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit filed by the NRA and Second Amendment Foundation against the City of Edmonds to invalidate the mandatory firearm storage ordinance passed by the City Council.  The lawsuit can now proceed.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on April 30, 2019, 08:15:36 AM
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/04/nras-dirty-laundry-exposed-as-pro-gun-group-cleans-house/#axzz5mDc6yUe8
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 30, 2019, 09:43:03 AM
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/04/nras-dirty-laundry-exposed-as-pro-gun-group-cleans-house/#axzz5mDc6yUe8

Very interesting.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Stwood on April 30, 2019, 09:54:17 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on April 30, 2019, 03:06:53 PM
https://gunculture2point0.wordpress.com/2019/04/29/open-letter-to-nra-board-of-directors-by-former-nra-staff-member-andrew-lander/?fbclid=IwAR3TXfUwduyUistNrKmJ7Yg_uzi_gn5-fxb5RJwxRsomlZqwopjW54Qz-2s
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 30, 2019, 03:45:08 PM
Very, very interesting.

I’m a USCCA member and NRA wanting them to go under is infuriating.  Concealed Carry magazine has ten times the useful/practical information and a tenth of the propaganda.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on April 30, 2019, 06:12:25 PM
Very, very interesting.

I’m a USCCA member and NRA wanting them to go under is infuriating.  Concealed Carry magazine has ten times the useful/practical information and a tenth of the propaganda.

Look, common ground!  I agree 100%. I complained to an NRA board member on the concealed carry insurance and how they mistreated uscca.  CC magazine is one of the best gun mags.  It is alao one of the best for women content.  USCCA has done a great job of helping women join the CC ranks.  And Tim Schmidt is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on April 30, 2019, 08:07:16 PM
Hallelujah!!
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on May 01, 2019, 02:17:18 PM
Just got his email.  Truncated:

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XXX,


I need your help and I need it TODAY.


The fact is, your NRA is now facing an attack that's unprecedented not just in the history of the NRA, but in the entire history of our country.


    
And if this attack succeeds, NRA will be forced to shut down forever.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on May 04, 2019, 10:57:30 AM
Ironically, the media attacks are leading to the biggest fundraising and membership expansion opportunity ever.  Pretty much everyone now recognizes these attacks for what they are and that is attracting new members.  Here our local NRA affilliated range just hit record (1275 familes).  This is happening all over.

https://www.greensburgdailynews.com/news/nra-members-media-tarnishing-organization/article_dced69c3-1aa4-51e4-a403-7530f4bd3c02.html (https://www.greensburgdailynews.com/news/nra-members-media-tarnishing-organization/article_dced69c3-1aa4-51e4-a403-7530f4bd3c02.html)
NRA members: Media tarnishing organization
NRA supporters dismissed financial woes, leadership upheaval


INDIANAPOLIS – The National Rifle Association’s leadership turmoil and financial deficits were described by some loyal NRA members at the group’s national convention last week as the product of an overzealous news media.

“I don’t believe what they say,” said Dave Martin, a Richmond, Indiana, gun shop owner. “The NRA doesn’t need to change; people have to stop paying attention to the media.”

Martin and his wife, Becky, have been NRA members since 1972. They also own a gun shop and operate a shooting range in Richmond.
...
Carl Carson, an NRA member from northern Indiana, said there is always criticism of the organization, given its strong stance in favor of the Second Amendment and its opposition to gun-control measures.

“I joined the NRA because I really don’t have a voice in Washington, D.C.,” he said. “I’m just an average American, I want someone who will take my concerns and voice them in Washington.”

And Carlson isn’t concerned about the NRA’s budget.

“I know it costs money to get the word out,” he said. “I think certain media have inflated the issue.”

William Le Gette Jr. of Clemson, South Carolina, has been an NRA member since the 1980s.

“I think they will be able to overcome it,” he said of the NRA’s financial deficits. “They need to do whatever it takes to support the Second Amendment. It’s too important to ignore it.”

NRA members interviewed said the organization doesn’t have an image problem.

Jason Clark of Greensboro, Indiana, just joined the NRA last week. He blamed the group’s problems on liberals.

“The left hates who we are, they hate the Second Amendment,” he said. “What image do we have to change? We’re law-abiding citizens. We have a right to bear arms.”
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on May 11, 2019, 02:39:03 PM
WSJ:  Leaked Letters Reveal Details of NRA Chief’s Alleged Spending  (https://www.wsj.com/articles/leaked-letters-reveal-details-of-nra-chiefs-alleged-spending-11557597601?mod=hp_lead_pos2)

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National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre billed the group’s ad agency $39,000 for one day of shopping at a Beverly Hills clothing boutique, $18,300 for a car and driver in Europe, and had the agency cover $13,800 in rent for a summer intern, according to newly revealed NRA internal documents.

The documents, posted anonymously on the internet, provide new details of the clothing, travel and other expenses totaling more than $542,000 that Ackerman McQueen Inc. alleges Mr. LaPierre billed to it.


Beverly Hills?  Really???
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Stwood on May 11, 2019, 02:43:53 PM
And.......

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had the agency cover $13,800 in rent for a summer intern


Summer intern........Someone's rent??
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on May 11, 2019, 02:46:38 PM
And.......


Summer intern mistress........Someone's rent??
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Ken325 on May 12, 2019, 04:13:09 PM
I did a 2 month detail in DC and rent was about $4000 at a nice extended stay hotel.  It's an expensive place to live but $13,800 is crazy. 

On the main topic.  I am keeping my membership.  The NRA is the most effective orginization for preserving gun rights.  The dems, Blumberg, and others are coming for us.  Once they take our gun rights then we are done as a country.  I think the media, democrats, and  billionaires like Soros want global government.  That won't happen until the US is disarmed.  I am disapointed with recent decisons by the NRA but we need to fix it not abandon it.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Smurf Hunter on May 13, 2019, 09:19:29 AM
Maybe if the NRA paid it's executive like the non-profit charity it claims to be?

When people donate $100 to the Red Cross following a natural disaster, and later they learned that < $10 of their donation ended up "on the ground" helping victims, donors are rightfully angry.

I think we should at least hold a similar standard for the NRA.


Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on May 13, 2019, 11:28:49 AM
It’s like the NRA has turned into a sleazy mega church where the slickster at the podium is telling all the little old ladies that it’s God’s will they donate so he can get that new G5 jet.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Stwood on May 13, 2019, 04:45:03 PM
Ayup.

Hey, without googling for the answer at the moment (me), wasn't Oliver North in some kind of government/military scandal before he took over NRA leadership??
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on May 13, 2019, 05:12:58 PM
Yep. Iran Contra during Reagan years.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on May 14, 2019, 07:12:09 PM
Today, NRA Board Member Allen West called for Wayne LaPierre to resign:  https://theoldschoolpatriot.com/statement-regarding-nra/ (https://theoldschoolpatriot.com/statement-regarding-nra/)

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It has become very apparent that I need to speak out about what is happening at the National Rifle Association.

I am in my second term as a Board member, and I am deeply concerned about the actions and statements being made. The recent statements by Charles Cotton and Carolyn Meadows that are appearing in the Wall Street Journal, and now other news outlets, are outright lies. I have never been told, advised, informed or consulted about any of these details mentioned in the WSJ, and who knows how much more despicable spending of members’ money.

These statements have maliciously, recklessly and purposefully put me, and uninformed Board members, in legal jeopardy.


Prior to the NRAAM in Indianapolis I sent an email to Wayne LaPierre’s managing director, Millie Hallow, expressing my sentiment that Wayne LaPierre resign immediately.

I also drafted a memo entitled “Resolution of Concerns,” both of these statements are known to the NRA Board. It is imperative that the NRA cleans its own house. If we had done so in Indianapolis, much of this could have been rectified.

I do not support Wayne LaPierre continuing as the EVP/CEO of the NRA. The vote in Indianapolis was by acclamation, not roll call vote. There is a cabal of cronyism operating within the NRA and that exists within the Board of Directors. It must cease, and I do not care if I draw their angst. My duty and responsibility is to the Members of the National Rifle Association, and my oath, since July 31, 1982, has been to the Constitution of the United States, not to any political party, person, or cabal.

The NRA Board of 76 is too large and needs to be reduced to 30 or less. We need term limits of four (4) terms on the Board. We need to focus the NRA, the nation’s oldest civil rights organization on its original charter, mission, training and education in marksmanship, shooting sports, and the defense of the Second Amendment.

I will dedicate all my efforts to the reformation of the National Rifle Association and its members, of whom I am proud to serve.

It sickens me to publicly make this statement, but I will not allow anyone to damage my honor, integrity, character, and reputation. Needless to say, there are those who have willingly done so to their own.


NYT:  At the N.R.A., a Cash Machine Sputtering (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/us/nra-finances-executives-board-members.html)

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The tantalizing leaks have spilled out in the weeks since the National Rifle Association’s annual convention in Indianapolis devolved into civil war.

Amid anxiety over falling revenue and mounting legal trouble has come news that the gun group’s longtime chief executive, Wayne LaPierre, billed $275,000 for purchases at the Zegna luxury men’s wear boutique in Beverly Hills. Its largely ceremonial president, Oliver L. North, had a contract worth millions of dollars a year. And a litany of payments benefited prominent officials, like the $60,000 for advertising on a TV show featuring the rock musician and N.R.A. board member Ted Nugent.

But behind the internecine squabbling lie deeper financial problems. A review of tax records by The New York Times shows that, to steady its finances, the powerful lobbying group has increasingly relied on cash infusions and other transactions involving its affiliated foundation — at least $206 million worth since 2010.


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Some members believe the group has been woefully managed. In a recent open letter, Steve Hoback, a former N.R.A. official in its training department, warned that the organization had “become the swamp that many have lashed out against in our Federal government.”
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on May 14, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
Maybe if the NRA paid it's executive like the non-profit charity it claims to be?

When people donate $100 to the Red Cross following a natural disaster, and later they learned that < $10 of their donation ended up "on the ground" helping victims, donors are rightfully angry.

I think we should at least hold a similar standard for the NRA.

I found this in the above NYT article:

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Senior N.R.A. executives are well compensated; eight of them make more than the head of the American Red Cross, a tax-exempt organization with 10 times the revenue of the N.R.A. Mr. LaPierre’s total pay spiked in 2015 to more than $5 million because of an early retirement payout.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on May 15, 2019, 10:48:08 AM
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/15/722960414/as-leaks-show-lavish-nra-spending-former-staff-detail-poor-conditions-at-nonprof (https://www.npr.org/2019/05/15/722960414/as-leaks-show-lavish-nra-spending-former-staff-detail-poor-conditions-at-nonprof)


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Buried at the bottom of one page of the pension report, in a bullet point, the NRA said it had implemented a freeze to their pension plan in 2018. This means that even current employees who are in the plan can no longer accrue new benefits despite continuing to work for the organization.

"In effect, it is the most an organization can do to cut pension benefits without completely terminating its plan," Mittendorf said.

The freeze in benefits for employees who participate in the pension plan is in contrast to a one-time $3,767,345 supplemental retirement payment LaPierre received in 2015 according to the NRA's public disclosures.

"It's indicative that the organization has not set aside sufficient funds to cover of its rank and file employee's retirements," Mittendorf said. "That means that the organization's financial trouble puts these rank and file employees' future at risk. Something would need to change at the organization to cover them... The people at the top are going to be financially secure. It's the rank and file employees that are at risk."
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Stwood on May 15, 2019, 12:29:16 PM
I praise that board member for speaking up, though it may get him ousted/voted out.
Somebody in that organization needs to speak up...
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on May 17, 2019, 04:13:31 PM
I praise that board member for speaking up, though it may get him ousted/voted out.
Somebody in that organization needs to speak up...

Below is Carrie Lightfoot's statement.  Carrie is an extremely well respected member of the industry.  She is both an NRA instructior and USCCA training counselor and founded The Well Armed Woman, one of the fastest growing shooting groups in the country.  As an NRA board member she has direct access to the information under discussion.  It is worthwhile to read her statement in full.

https://thewellarmedwoman.com/blog/knock-it-off-and-protect-the-wall/ (https://thewellarmedwoman.com/blog/knock-it-off-and-protect-the-wall/)
Knock It Off and Protect the Wall

I’m surprised and disappointed at how quickly and blindly so many grab on to the misinformation about the NRA that’s put forth and paid for by Bloomberg and those foaming at the mouth to take away our Second Amendment. If you didn’t know, they are the source of all the lies that we see flooding the news. This tactic of intentionally spreading misinformation to discredit an enemy is no different from what we see happening in DC every day. We witnessed it during the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh, and we see it happening now to Attorney General Barr. I would wager you abhor this foul play and shake your fist at it every day. Now ask yourself is what we are seeing with the NRA somehow different?  I think you will see that it isn’t.

This spreading of misinformation is an intentional tactic designed to weaken the NRA. Why? Because the NRA is the solid brick wall between them and our Second Amendment. Guess what? Those that believe the garbage and attack the NRA without knowing the facts are creating cracks in our wall. You do as much damage to our Second Amendment as Bloomberg and his ilk.

Of course, there is work to be done at the NRA. Of course, it isn’t a 100% perfect organization free of mistakes. There have been actions some won’t agree with or understand but don’t we all want the healthiest and most effective NRA we have ever had? However, some rip the leadership, the staff, and those that passionately volunteer their time on OUR behalf damaging the wall even further. You undermine not only them personally but undermine their work as well. Based on what? Falsehoods, gossip, and lies?

It is true, you don’t have all of the facts and all information. It’s important to keep in mind this is necessary for them to protect us as well as themselves.

The NRA is in the middle of MAJOR legal actions. They are wrapped up in lawsuits with NY Governor Cuomo, New York’s financial regulation agency, and NY Attorney General Leticia James. For example, the NRA is fighting back for the state of New York’s “blacklisting campaign” aimed at getting banks to cut ties with the NRA. James, while campaigning for her election last year, said in an interview “The NRA holds [itself] out as a charitable organization, but in fact, [it] really [is] a terrorist organization.” Now elected, she is coming after us. She has opened an investigation threatening the NRA’s nonprofit status. These legal battles threaten the very existence of the NRA.

The facts MUST be protected to ensure our success. The NRA can’t put out information or evidence that would in any way jeopardize our position in these cases. Is it a coincidence that the misinformation put out there that is causing the anxiety and anger towards the NRA is precisely the type of information that can’t be released to clear their name? It is more than a coincidence, it’s intentional. It is intended to cause the exact response we are seeing in the gun community with the intended goal of creating division, discrediting NRA leaders and bringing down the NRA-giving them free run to trample our Second Amendment.

“There are influential people in the gun community that are writing articles and saying it is all true” you say. I can’t speak for them, know what is in their heart or what motivates them to do so, but I can and will tell you what I think: They don’t know the facts! They are not privy to them, period. Does ego play a role? Perhaps. Do some naysayers just have to be in a fight? Perhaps. Could retribution be the motivation? Perhaps. Do some people just love the thrill of a scandal? Perhaps.

They may tell you they heard this or that from someone on the inside, but I must ask, how can you trust what has been divulged if they so greatly lack integrity, that they are leaking information in the first place? That alone puts their “facts” into question. How do we know said leaker is not a plant or paid off by those that are hell-bent on the destruction of our Second Amendment? If someone from the inside did truly leak information, it is a fraction of incomplete information intentionally absent of “the rest of the story.” Shame on them.

Another “scandal” surrounding the NRA is that of their CEO. I can hear it already! “Wayne LaPierre is paid too much!” So how much is the protection of your Second Amendment worth to you? I don’t know about you, but I want the person best suited, best gifted, most experienced, and most qualified to lead in the fight to preserve our Second Amendment. I also want to pay him enough to compensate for all the sacrifices and the threats to him and his family. Do you really want to change the General in the middle of a battle that we are winning just to try and save a few dollars? Is putting our Second Amendment at risk worth it? No, I don’t think so.

The CEO of the Los Angeles Philharmonic makes more than Wayne. The CEO of the Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts makes a lot more than Wayne. What has either of these CEO’s done to protect your Constitutionally protected rights? Nothing. By the way, both examples also operate on smaller budgets than the NRA. The President of the University of Chicago makes more than twice what Wayne makes. Believe it or not, these salaries are from 2014!! I wonder what they are paid now? Now, do you believe Wayne is paid too much? No, I don’t think so.

Yes, I am frustrated. I am discouraged by what I am seeing and reading out there. I have read article after article, social media post after social media post, and I just can’t take it anymore. It is painful to watch all of these forces weakening our wall. My brother and sister patriots so quickly losing sight of the decades of successes, un-grateful for all the sucker-punching of our NRA leaders on our “behalf,” and to see you turn against the one and only organization that stands between us and the loss of our ability to protect ourselves and our country is very disheartening.

Again, is the NRA perfect? No. Do we have some work to do? Yes, but for heaven’s sake, wise up to the masterful manipulation playing out and don’t fall prey to it. Don’t be a weak brick in the wall and please don’t be so quick to jump ship. Hang in there, we are all on the same side.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Stwood on May 18, 2019, 09:27:48 AM
Well. What..who to believe
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on May 18, 2019, 09:50:20 AM
I made it to “foaming at the mouth...”
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on May 19, 2019, 02:51:42 PM
Allen West released a new statement

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/05/we-need-a-strong-focused-reformed-national-rifle-association-video/#axzz5oPCTg811 (https://www.ammoland.com/2019/05/we-need-a-strong-focused-reformed-national-rifle-association-video/#axzz5oPCTg811)
We Need a Strong, Focused, & Reformed National Rifle Association

Okay, there has been quite a bit of reaction to my statement earlier this week about the National Rifle Association. I took my public stance because we need to have an NRA that is laser-focused and ready to do battle against the progressive socialist left.

Unless you have been completely ignoring the news from Venezuela, and its history, disarmament of the people is a necessity for the tyranny of the left to succeed. This is indeed an “all in, all hands on deck” moment for freedom and liberty loving Americans. I have a special, and sincere, affinity for the NRA, which I had the honor to express in a speech at the NRA-ILA in Atlanta, my hometown, in 2017.
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If we are to defend this great nation, it means defending that one constitutional right that precludes us from being subjugated. In order to achieve that objective, that goal, we do not need the distractions that currently face the NRA. We need not focus on single individuals, but rather what shall we secure, and pass on, for future generations.
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To all these leftist media outlets that want to talk with me [about the NRA], please stop contacting me. Trust me, it was not my intent to give y’all talking points with my statement. My statement was all about reforming the NRA, focusing it on its core competencies so we can kick Michael Bloomberg in the ass. I long for the day when I can look down to this little tyrannical Napoleon and let him know he will not succeed. I want to see each and every single anti-gun group defeated. I want to stand before the CEO of Levi Strauss wearing my Wrangler jeans and let him know he will not enable the disarming of the American people.
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What Sen. Harris is seeking to do is abjectly unconstitutional. Her aim is to use the tyrannical power of her office, as president, to strip individual American citizens of their constitutional right. It may sound good to the deranged followers of progressive socialism, but it will not succeed.

Just why won’t it succeed? Because Americans now, just as back in 1775, will not tolerate this. There is no difference between these people and King George III, or Hugo Chavez.

What stands in their way? Yes, the nation’s oldest civil rights organization. No, it ain’t the doggone NAACP, which was started by two white progressive socialists . . . and run by a black communist.
The nation’s oldest civil rights organization is the NRA.

I believe that out of this current organizational turmoil, our nation will witness a stronger, more committed, NRA. It will be an NRA that will regain the trust and confidence of its five million members, and increase its numbers. It will be an NRA that will not have to send out incessant solicitations for funding and support. The resources will flow because a new, reformed, re-energized NRA will go on the offense and instill fear in the hearts of the tyrants of the left.
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America needs the National Rifle Association in these troublesome times.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on May 24, 2019, 03:52:59 PM
Email Dated May 23, 2019

From: National Rifle Association <admin@nramedia.org>
Subject: An Important Message From Your NRA Leadership and Past Presidents

Dear Fellow NRA Member:

Since the NRA was founded almost 150 years ago, our adversaries have repeatedly tried to take us down. Today is no different. A recent burst of media claims the NRA is vulnerable, financially unstable, and weakened in its fight to defend the Second Amendment. Obviously intent on not letting the facts get in the way of a good story, most reports offer a distorted and inaccurate view of the NRA. As officers and past presidents of the NRA, we write today to set the record straight.

As you may know, we recently convened in Indianapolis for one of the largest NRA conventions in our history. More than 80,000 of our members showed up to gather as one NRA family - to support our Association and celebrate our nation's constitutional freedoms. During our annual Members Meeting on April 27, some asked for greater insight into three issues: the NRA's financial affairs, our direction and strategy, and the supervisory role being played by our board of directors. We had an open forum and spirited discussion.

Of course, our discussions were portrayed as a sort of family feud. (Infighting at the NRA - Chaos and Controversy!). At the NRA, we take pride in the fact that our Association is inclusive and invites the active participation of every member. Every member has an opportunity to voice any concern they may have at the Members Meeting. In fact, our greatest privilege is hearing from our members. Like many of you, that's why we were at the Members Meeting in the first place and spent countless hours on the convention floor.

Fact: During a board of directors meeting on April 29, Wayne LaPierre was elected by acclamation to continue serving as our CEO and Executive Vice President. The board also unanimously elected Carolyn D. Meadows to serve as our new president.

Perhaps looking for a way to counter the narrative about a stronger, more unified NRA, questions have now conveniently surfaced about our financial situation and our standing in the regulatory arena. There also have been frequent attacks on Wayne's personal character.

Fact: According to the NRA's chief financial officer, we are on budget in 2019. The NRA is meeting all banking and supplier financial obligations and we continue to aggressively manage our cost structure to offset the orchestrated and calculated attacks against NRA's finances in 2018. Put another way, our financial house is in order - we aren't going away.

We have full confidence in the NRA's accounting practices and commitment to good governance.

Fact: The Association's financials are audited and its tax filings are verified by one of the most reputable firms in the world. Internally, the Association has a conflict of interest policy and, where appropriate, related-party transactions are reviewed and approved by the board's Audit Committee.

Simply put, we are well-positioned on the regulatory front and poised to handle all challenges that confront us.

Personal attacks against the NRA's leaders are nothing new. Recent ones have focused on wardrobe purchases and travel expenses incurred by Wayne. If members hear of an allegation, they can be assured that it has been or will be addressed by the appropriate committees within our board of directors.

Fact: We have committees in place to oversee issues relating to Accounting, Legal Affairs, and Ethics, among others - and every board member is invited to attend these meetings. Please remember that all of us are elected by you - our members. We are not elected by Wayne or anyone on the NRA executive team. We serve as your elected representatives.

Fact: Over the years, Wayne had been advised by the NRA's advertising professionals to invest in his professional wardrobe due to his numerous public and media appearances. We understand that this was the same agency that facilitated the clothing purchases. What wasn't as evident in this "disclosure" is that the clothing expenses referenced in media reports dated back to expenses from 15 years ago! To put it in perspective, over this time period, Wayne has participated in thousands of events and hundreds of TV appearances, and personally directed fundraising efforts that total in the hundreds of millions of dollars. In any event, this practice was discontinued some time ago.

Fact: The vast majority of the travel in question involved donor outreach, fundraising, and stakeholder engagement. As an example, The Wall Street Journal reported that a trip to Italy was "tied to a 2015 documentary feature on the Italian gun maker posted on NRATV." Beretta, as you may know, is a major supporter of the NRA and our Second Amendment.

We are not inclined to further discuss unfounded attacks on our organization, political infighting, or a "weakened" NRA.

However, we will say this: Our adversaries will not divide us and any further discussion about the so-called "demise of the NRA" is only meant to distract us from our mission. This is how it goes when you stand on the bedrock of constitutional freedom - and represent the last line of defense against a campaign to take down the Second Amendment.

While board members may argue, and perhaps even disagree as to tactics, the support Wayne and the current leadership enjoys reflects our assessment of his past and future value to the association as well as our realization that our opponents know they have to take him down if they want to weaken the NRA.

As one NRA member recently said, the true story of the NRA won't be found in today's press clippings. It will be written in the history books.

Wayne has been standing shoulder-to-shoulder with all of us for most of his professional life. He has our support. A campaign to oust him failed - as the facts emerged, true motivations became apparent, and we agreed as to who should lead our fight for freedom. We are now moving forward.

Fact: We will confront our opponents, defend our values, and proudly continue our tradition as the greatest civil rights organization in the world.

Just like you, we care about the Second Amendment and our NRA. Just as you do, we know that our fights today are less for us and more for our children and our grandchildren. Just like you, we are all courageous foot soldiers in our fight for freedom. Every single one of us in this fight matters. The Second Amendment is where it is today because of all of OUR efforts. That's why you matter to our cause and our Association.

We are the NRA. United we stand. And together, we'll win.

Signed,

Carolyn D. Meadows
President

Charles L. Cotton
First Vice President

Lt. Col. Willes K. Lee USA (Ret)
Second Vice President

Allan D. Cors
Past President

James W. Porter
Past President

David A. Keene
Past President

Ronald L. Schmeits
Past President

John C. Sigler
Past President

Sandra S. Froman
Past President

Kayne B. Robinson
Past President

Marion P. Hammer
Past President

Robert K. Corbin
Past President
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on May 29, 2019, 04:06:01 PM
Ad agency that runs NRA TV calling it quits:  https://www.thedailybeast.com/nratv-future-in-jeopardy-after-the-ad-agency-ackerman-mcqueen-severs-ties-with-the-nra (https://www.thedailybeast.com/nratv-future-in-jeopardy-after-the-ad-agency-ackerman-mcqueen-severs-ties-with-the-nra)

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“Today, faced with the NRA’s many inexplicable actions that have constructively terminated the parties’ Services Agreement, Ackerman McQueen decided it is time to stand up for the truth, and formally provide a Notice to Terminate its almost four-decade long relationship with the National Rifle Association,” the ad firm said in a statement.

“The turmoil the NRA faces today was self-inflicted,” the statement continued. “It could have been avoided. We deeply regret that it wasn’t.”
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Stwood on May 29, 2019, 04:46:37 PM
There's no way common folk can figure out who to believe in the NRA mess.
Maybe if one of us become a board member........ ::)
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Redman on May 29, 2019, 05:22:03 PM
There's no way common folk can figure out who to believe in the NRA mess.
Maybe if one of us become a board member........ ::)

There's now way common folk can figure out who to believe about anything political and don't say the NRA isn't political. Becoming a board member won't help.

Sorry that's the way I see things.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on May 30, 2019, 01:52:31 PM
https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-membership-dues-contributions-rebounded-in-2018/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-membership-dues-contributions-rebounded-in-2018/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
NRA Membership Dues, Contributions Rebounded In 2018

The National Rifle Association of America and its associated groups saw a sizable increase of both membership dues and contributions in 2018, according to the group's annual report.

The report, which was handed out during the group's latest annual meeting, shows dues went from $128,209,303 in 2017 to $170,391,374 in 2018—an increase of $42,182,071, or 33 percent. It also shows contributions rose from $132,879,299 in 2017 to $165,075,288 in 2018—an increase of $32,195,989 or 24 percent. The rise in dues came ahead of the NRA announcing it had reached 5.5 million members, a record number.

Overall, the NRA and its affiliates brought in $412,233,508 in 2018. That's up from $378,122,489 in 2017. In total, the group's revenue rose $34,111,019 or 9 percent. The numbers represent a clear resurgence of funding for the gun-rights group during 2018. Membership dues even topped those the group saw in 2016—$163,517,961.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on June 09, 2019, 04:25:05 PM
WaPo: NRA money flowed to board members amid allegedly lavish spending by top officials and vendors (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/nra-money-flowed-to-board-members-amid-allegedly-lavish-spending-by-top-officials-and-vendors/2019/06/09/3eafe160-8186-11e9-9a67-a687ca99fb3d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.56a30c1d0ef6)

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Tax experts said the numerous payments to certain NRA directors create potential conflicts of interest that could cloud the board’s independent monitoring of the organization’s finances.


“In 25 years of working in this field, I have never seen a pattern like this,” said Douglas Varley, a Washington attorney at Caplin & Drysdale who specializes in tax-exempt organizations and reviewed the NRA’s federal and state filings from 2016 through 2018 for The Washington Post. “The volume of transactions with insiders and affiliates of insiders is really astonishing.”


Varley said he did not see any apparent violations of the law, and noted that the NRA, for the most part, appeared to have properly disclosed the payments.
“But the pattern raises a threshold question of who the organization is serving,” he said. “Is it being run for the benefit of the gun owners in the country and the public? Or is it being run as a business generating enterprise for officers and employees of the organization?”
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on June 15, 2019, 08:30:51 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-nras-finances-deepening-debt-increased-spending-on-legal-fees--and-cuts-to-gun-training/2019/06/14/ac9dc488-8e30-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.00477cd667ef (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-nras-finances-deepening-debt-increased-spending-on-legal-fees--and-cuts-to-gun-training/2019/06/14/ac9dc488-8e30-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.00477cd667ef)

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The records show that the NRA froze its pension plan for employees at the end of last year, a move that saved it close to $13 million, and obtained a $28 million line of credit by borrowing against its Virginia headquarters.

Despite that, the nonprofit group, four affiliated charities and its political committee together ended the year $10.8 million in the red. In 2017, the six groups ended the year with a $1.1 million shortfall.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Ken325 on June 19, 2019, 09:21:11 PM
And the Washington Post is compleatly unbiased?   Our established media has been losing money left and right since the internet became a better source of news and a better place to advertize.  The failing media has been bought up by a handful of billionairs who don't care if they lose money.  They use the media to push their globalist, socialist agenda.  The Washington Post and Jeff Bezos are the perfect example of this.  They are not going to get to bring about a "new world order" unless they can disarm the American citizen. The NRA is the most effective orginization at stoping this.  I am also mad at some of the dumb things the NRA is doing, but the reason they get attacked by the left is they are effective.

If the NRA is gone then we will have gun confiscation. After this US soverenty is given to the UN in the name of stopping global warming or something stupid.  Redistribution of income from the developed world and the productive class to disfunctional socialist countries, and the lazy pot heads is next.  Control of the internet and the media means that anyone who protest this will be labeled a Nazi, racist, who uses hate speech by the controled media and tech billionaires.  People will have their careers ruined because they are opposed to having an intact, 6 foot tall, 200 pound biological male who is confused about his gender compete in sports with a 100 poound 15 year old girl.  And if you are opposed to him showering with your 15 year old daughter after the competition then you are destroyed by this same media.  If you want immigration laws enforced to prevent your community being overwhelmed by unskilled, uneducated, non- english speaking central americans, who are going to get the vote and then vote to give your money to the government, so it can be given back to them as welfare then you should oppose the NRA.  After the NRA is gone then if will be easy to do all this.  If you can flip Texas like they flipped California with massive immigration then the Republicians will never win anouther election. Then we get the green new deal, agenda 51, income redistribution, Christian persucution, and you won’t be able to do anything about it because you bought the Washington Post story about how the NRA is bad.  If you think I'm wrong then look at what is happening in Europe.

This is why you keep your NRA membership.  Fight to change the NRA if you want to fire current leadership and get them to focus on protecting your rights.  Get rid of the NRA and we are hosed.  When we lose the second ammendment the USA is toast.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on June 20, 2019, 09:57:19 PM
WaPo:  NRA sidelines its top lobbyist, Chris Cox, in latest sign of internal turmoil (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/nra-sidelines-its-top-lobbyist-chris-cox-in-latest-sign-of-internal-turmoil/2019/06/20/6db1bd14-938b-11e9-b58a-a6a9afaa0e3e_story.html?utm_term=.f343d2bcae12)

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The National Rifle Association has sidelined its top lobbyist, Chris Cox, after accusing him in court documents of participating in what it called a failed extortion scheme to rid the organization of its top executive.

Cox, the NRA’s second-in-command and leader of its powerful political arm, was placed on administrative leave after the organization filed a lawsuit Wednesday in New York against former NRA president Oliver North, who resigned in April after accusing the NRA of exorbitant spending.

Chief executive Wayne LaPierre has accused North of attempting to extort the group. In its new suit, the NRA accused Cox of participating in a “conspiracy” with North.

NRA officials on Thursday confirmed Cox has been suspended, declining to comment further.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on June 20, 2019, 10:06:45 PM
WaEx:  Chaos at the NRA (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/chaos-at-the-nra)

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It all appears to have started in January when, according to the Wall Street Journal, the NRA’s top outside counsel, William Brewer, gave a presentation to board members about concerns that newly-elected New York Attorney General Letitia James, a Democrat, would investigate and try to break up the gun rights group. James was openly hostile toward it during her campaign and referred to it as a “terrorist organization” in an interview with Ebony magazine.

With a looming threat of investigation by the NRA’s charter state, some in its leadership began to scrutinize its business relationship with Ackerman McQueen, its largest contractor, that accounted for $40 million of NRA spending in 2017. Ackerman and the NRA had enjoyed a decadeslong relationship. Ackerman was reportedly responsible for not only creating and running NRATV but also developing its most iconic commercials and messaging. Top executives Angus and Revan McQueen are Brewer’s father-in-law and brother-in-law, respectively.

The group was behind everything from the “I am the NRA" ads, NRA chief executive Wayne LaPierre’s declaration that “the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” and Charlton Heston’s famous ultimatum that the only way anyone would take his guns would be “from my cold, dead hands.” It also runs one of the NRA’s magazines, America's 1st Freedom, and provides logistics for its massive annual meetings and leadership forum.

Much of what the average person knows about the NRA was created by Ackerman.

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Unfortunately for all involved, and gun rights supporters at large, it will be months before we know what will come of the Ackerman lawsuits, the New York investigation, and how those ordeals will affect the NRA’s ability to spend money in elections or on lobbying. What is clear, however, is just how much is at stake.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on June 26, 2019, 04:59:18 PM
Chris Cox officially resigned as the No. 2 executive at the NRA today. 

Also announced, NRATV production is shutting down.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Stwood on June 26, 2019, 05:04:41 PM
Hopefully they can get their shit together.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on July 02, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
NYT:  N.R.A. Donor Directs a Revolt Against a ‘Radioactive’ Leader (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/us/nra-donors-wayne-lapierre.html)

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David Dell’Aquila, the restive donor, said the N.R.A.’s internal warfare “has become a daily soap opera and it’s decaying and destroying the N.R.A. from within, and it needs to stop.” He added, “Even if these allegations regarding Mr. LaPierre and his leadership are false, he has become radioactive and must step down.”

Until that happens, Mr. Dell’Aquila, a retired technology consultant who has given roughly $100,000 to the N.R.A. in cash and gifts, said he would suspend donations — including his pledge of the bulk of an estate worth several million dollars.

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But a second prominent donor, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is a senior firearms industry executive, said he was also suspending a plan to give more than $2 million from his estate, as well as halting other donations, and was backing Mr. Dell’Aquila’s effort.

“The donors are rebelling,” the executive said, adding that he believed that the leadership turmoil was “helping to destroy, temporarily, the strength of the N.R.A. as one of the strongest lobbying groups.”
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Carver on July 02, 2019, 07:32:53 PM
pretty tired of their publications, they're supposed to be about shooting and firearms but are mostly political rant. Like preaching to the choir on steroids.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on July 26, 2019, 06:01:40 PM
https://www.thegunwriter.com/24792/nra-director-joel-friedman-setting-the-record-straight/ (https://www.thegunwriter.com/24792/nra-director-joel-friedman-setting-the-record-straight/)

NRA Director Joel Friedman: ‘Setting the Record Straight’ http://
BY LEE WILLIAMS ON   JULY 24, 2019 GUEST COLUMNS

Lee’s note: Joel Freidman is a member of the National Rifle Association’s board of directors. His letter arrived unsolicited and is published with permission.

Setting the Record Straight

While I have wanted to speak out concerning the situation at the NRA, I have not due to the amount of litigation that has been ongoing, as well as my belief in the fiduciary responsibilities of a board member and trustee. However, I feel strongly about our mission to protect the Second Amendment, and while I may be maligned by some for sharing my thoughts, I can no longer remain silent.

I am not a Johnny-come-lately. I have been involved in the firearm rights movement for over 30 years, primarily at the grassroots level in California. I have gotten hard, calloused hands from my work, and I’m proud of it. I have been on the NRA Board of Directors since 2004 and served on various committees.

I would like to begin by discussing how we, the NRA, got to where we are today. After the election of Donald Trump – an election in which the NRA played a key role in securing his victory – the other side determined that they must find a way to neutralize, if not completely destroy, our Association in an attempt to win back Congress, the White House, and to destroy firearms’ freedoms as we know them today.

Funding for this anti-NRA campaign comes from people whose net worth is more than 11 figures. Their interest income alone from a month or two is so much greater than the entire budget of the NRA. For you and me, it is hard to conceive of such wealth.

Through the talents of those they hired, these people are working to destroy the reputation of the NRA – and attack our not-for-profit status. As we know, ongoing investigations by the attorneys general in New York and Washington D.C. have caused the NRA to use more resources for legal help than anyone could have ever imagined. But it is a battle we must fight based on our commitment to good governance. Losing our not-for-profit status would put the NRA out of business. I fear it would also lead to a repeal of the Second Amendment.

Beyond this critical fight, we also are waging a battle that could impact advocacy organizations across our nation. Our First Amendment lawsuit against New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and the New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS) is so significant that the ACLU has filed an amicus brief in support of the Association.

The NRA contends that Governor Cuomo and DFS are trying to coerce banks and insurance companies to withhold services from the NRA as retaliation for our political advocacy. If New York is successful in violating the NRA’s First Amendment rights, then every advocacy group in this country is at risk. We cannot allow politicians to determine who should and should not be in business because of their political or religious views.

In the face of orchestrated campaigns and legal disputes, the NRA has made tough decisions – demanding, among other things, increased transparency from its vendors. Most complied, but not all.

After 38 years of working hand-in-hand with the NRA, it is MY BELIEF that one of our vendors attempted to take over NRA leadership in order to preserve its own lucrative contracts. It is also MY BELIEF that this vendor had, for some time, believed that the NRA’s entire success was due to its efforts alone.

For more information on this, I encourage you to read the NRA’s lawsuit filed against Col. North. You will see what was done, and what was attempted, by this vendor.

As we know, the takeover attempt failed. Subsequently, as threatened, certain documents were leaked online with an aim to make NRA top management and board members look bad.

When tens of millions of dollars are on the line, some people will do extraordinary things.

I know there have been comments from certain individuals about how much money the NRA is “wasting” using its current legal firm. I bring to you a quote from Mr. Harlon Carter, creator of ILA and someone who brought the NRA into the political fight that would be necessary to preserve the Second Amendment.

He said, “I’ll spend every dime the NRA has to protect the Second Amendment.” Ladies and gentlemen, the NRA is in a fight for its life right now.

For those who have had negative things to say about the law firm representing us, I ask one simple question: Name one thing the firm has done that has hurt the NRA? Thus far, no one has been able to answer that question. The reality is, the firm has continuously moved the ball forward and pulled off improbable and extraordinary victories, while handling multiple cases on multiple playing fields.

With regard to the allegations made against Wayne LaPierre – brought forward in conjunction with the failed takeover attempt – I would like to remind everyone that he has given his life to the NRA and to the protection of the Second Amendment. Over the years, he excelled in every position he held and was finally elected as Executive Vice President (EVP) in 1991. During his tenure as EVP, the NRA grew from an anemic less-than-two-million-member association into a more than five-million-member powerhouse.

From his days as an NRA lobbyist to now, Wayne has played a pivotal role in our greatest accomplishments. For instance, when we kept the Gun Control Act of 1968 from taking your guns. When we lost on the “assault weapon ban,” but were smart enough to push for a 10-year sunset clause that expired. When we passed the ’86 Firearm Owners Protection Act. We stopped excessive waiting periods and one-a-month purchase schemes. The NRA led the fight to increase carry states from three to more than 40. Consider the NRA’s growth, under Wayne, from a standpoint of influence, finance and power.

Some claim his time has passed. I disagree. Wayne is still guiding the NRA faithfully, strategically and correctly through the most difficult time in its 150-year history. And after over four decades, Wayne knows more people, has more insight, and garners more respect than anyone I know. His absence alone would create problems not only for the NRA, but for the defense of the Second Amendment.

I want to directly address all the “lavish” spending that Wayne has been accused of.

Over the last 15 years, he has done hundreds of media interviews, campaign commercials, and attended thousands of events in promotion of the NRA and the Second Amendment. His wardrobe expenditures were directed by Ackerman McQueen. The agency invoiced the NRA for the clothing as a business expense.

During that same period, Wayne was responsible for helping to raise $300-400 million annually, or $25-33 million a month. But for discussion purposes only, let’s say that Wayne, through his direct involvement in speeches and media appearances, helped raise roughly $8 million a month (that’s 25%). That translates in 15 years to $1.5 billion. In that circumstance, the money spent on clothes is miniscule – not to mention the number of people this money helped elect who have stood by us and helped us save the Second Amendment.

Now, go and check other large associations in the hundred(s) million-dollar world and see what their CEO is getting in total renumerations. The truth is, Mr. Wayne LaPierre is one of the most underpaid people in the giant trade and interest group world by percentage.

Now let’s talk about the trips. These trips were to secure and interact with both donors and high-profile individuals and to arrange for the donation of firearms. Do you think the NRA’s high-profile supporters magically appear to support our cause?  Do you think that this happens overnight?  That is what Wayne and only Wayne is able to do based on his reputation.

So the idea that his time has passed and it’s time for him to leave is probably the single largest mistake anyone can make. Everyone should not only be thankful, but should pray for his continued good health and dedication. This man has received more death threats than almost anyone else on the planet. For Pete’s sake – Google it – it’s public knowledge – Wayne LaPierre was “swatted!”  He and his family have been targeted in more ways than anyone can imagine.

Let us discuss what some of the anti-NRA, anti-Wayne people are saying, “I don’t know what’s going on but …”

Now to be fair, that’s because they don’t know, and they can’t know the details because of the lawsuits as well as the New York investigation. Therefore, isn’t it ludicrous for anyone to make decisions and proclamations after admitting they’re ignorant of the facts.

I ask you to consider this for a moment – do you think that there’s anyone better equipped to guide the NRA during these challenging times?  The neophytes who are agitating would get their clocks cleaned in about 2 hours!  Even our former chief lobbyist – as talented as he may be – wouldn’t be able to navigate this.  Let’s face it – the reason the opposition wants Wayne gone is because they know without him, it’s easier to take down the NRA.  And, now, we have some so-called pro-gun types naively joining the chorus!

The last part of my message has to do with the concept that the NRA is wasting its money and there is no oversight.  Not only do we have a Treasurer’s department, we have a finance committee overseeing the organization, and we have an audit committee.  We are all under such a microscope that I personally have been refused payments for expenses I have incurred because I only had credit card statements and not the actual receipts. This idea that the board and top management are ripping off the organization is just another attempt to separate us and to neuter our ability to do the job we need to do in 2020, which is to protect the rights of firearm owners in America. No one else can do it, and if we all don’t stick together and stop letting the haters and the media drive us apart, the anti-gunners will win.

You don’t believe me? In an article from The Hill, “Democrats Look to Capitalize on Turmoil Inside the NRA,” dated July 23, 2019, Democratic members of congress claim that we are plagued by “internal problems” and state, “Now’s the time to capitalize on that.”

Kris Brown, president of the Brady Campaign, states, “Given the series of self-inflicted wounds that they have, which are draining significantly diminished resources at a significant rate, yes, it’s obviously a time for us really to focus on pushing candidates and pushing this issue.”

I believe many are fueling the exact false and inaccurate narrative driven by our adversaries – dividing us in a manner that weakens the Association and strengthens our enemies. We must not posture our adversaries for success. Doing so supports them in their aim is to take away our constitutional freedoms.

In closing, please allow me to say that we truly appreciate that the majority of our members are committed to the NRA – and its fight to protect the Second Amendment.  We appreciate that they, like us, trust that we’ll prevail over these orchestrated attacks.

The stakes are higher than they have ever been.  It is time to come together – united and committed in support of the NRA and the constitutional freedoms in which we all believe.

Joel Friedman

NRA Board Member
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Stwood on July 26, 2019, 07:22:57 PM

That's a good read, and about the only one I believe coming out of the NRA.

Thanks for posting
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: FreeLancer on August 06, 2019, 09:39:36 PM
WaPo:  Documents show NRA discussions to purchase luxury mansion for its chief executive to use (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/documents-show-nra-discussions-to-purchase-luxury-mansion-for-use-of-its-chief-executive/2019/08/06/eb8b0490-b7ce-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html?wpisrc=al_news__alert-national&wpmk=1)

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The discussions about the roughly $6 million purchase, which was not completed, are now under scrutiny by New York investigators. The transaction was slated to be made through a corporate entity that received a wire of tens of thousands of dollars from the NRA in 2018, according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

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One property that was considered, according to an individual familiar with the plans, was a 10,000-square-foot French country estate with lakefront and golf course views.

The four-bedroom, nine-bath home in a gated golf course community, northwest of Dallas, resembles a French chateau, with a stately boxwood-lined drive, a formal courtyard, vaulted ceilings and an antique marble fireplace, according to its online real estate listing.

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New York attorney Daniel Kurtz, an expert in nonprofit law, said such a home purchase could have violated New York charity law, which requires all transactions benefiting the group’s insiders to be “fair, reasonable and in the corporation’s best interest.”

“There’s no way they could defend a $6 million house for the chief executive as reasonable,” Kurtz said. “This is like the worst kind of corporate waste because buying the house does nothing to advance the interests of the NRA. How can you explain that? It’s not like he’s been underpaid.”


Because you can't expect a guy with a $1+ million salary to foot the bill for his own mansion and those fancy Beverly Hills suits. 
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on August 20, 2019, 06:50:42 AM
Worth every penny.  :clap:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/08/20/trump-stopped-calling-for-very-meaningful-background-checks-on-guns-after-talking-to-the-head-of-the-nra/23797570/ (https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/08/20/trump-stopped-calling-for-very-meaningful-background-checks-on-guns-after-talking-to-the-head-of-the-nra/23797570/)
Trump 'retreats' on gun control after talking to head of the NRA

Following his talks with NRA chief executive Wayne LaPierre and gun rights activists, President Donald Trump struck a different tone on potential gun regulations in the weeks after two mass shootings.
The NRA reportedly launched a campaign to contact lawmakers in the wake of the back-to-back El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, shootings on August 3-4.
Trump also personally spoke to LaPierre multiple times, according to several news reports earlier this month.
The shift comes after Trump signaled he was willing to broach the topic of universal background checks.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-goes-dark-on-gun-control-after-pledging-background-checks-like-weve-never-had-before (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-goes-dark-on-gun-control-after-pledging-background-checks-like-weve-never-had-before)
RINSE, WASH, RETREAT
After Mass Shootings, Trump Loses Interest in Gun Control: ‘He’s Started to Move On,’ Official Says


It’s been roughly half a month since dual mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso, Texas, forced the president, his administration, and Capitol Hill lawmakers into yet another debate about gun control. And in those short weeks, Donald Trump has already started to pump the brakes on his support for background checks legislation the likes of which, he said, “we’ve never had before.”

“He’s started to move on,” a White House official conceded, adding that they haven’t heard the president discussing the topic in recent days with the same urgency or frequency that punctuated the immediate aftermath of the high-profile shootings. “If it were up to the president, he’d do background checks today. But that’s not how it works, and he loses patience [quickly].”
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In case there was any confusion, Trump added: “Look, I've had a great relationship with the [National Rifle Association], and I will always have a great relationship. I've been very good for the NRA.”

Though the gun rights lobby finds itself in a state of internal turmoil, its influence has not waned on the Hill or within the West Wing. The group staunchly opposes ongoing efforts to expand background checks, and quickly jumped on the phone with Trump to restate that position in the wake of the two recent mass murders. Since then, more conservative voices, including figures closely aligned with Trump, have signalled their disapproval with far-reaching legislation favored by Democratic lawmakers.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on August 20, 2019, 07:22:53 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/458169-trump-called-nra-chief-to-tell-him-universal-background-checks-are (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/458169-trump-called-nra-chief-to-tell-him-universal-background-checks-are)
Trump called NRA chief to tell him universal background checks are off the table: report

President Trump called National Rifle Association (NRA) CEO Wayne LaPierre on Tuesday to tell him that universal background checks for gun purchases are off the table, The Atlantic reported.
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"He was cementing his stance that we already have background checks and that he's not waffling on this anymore," a source told The Atlantic with regard to Trump's phone call with LaPierre on Tuesday. "He doesn't want to pursue it."

Trump told LaPierre that he instead wanted to focus on "increasing funding" for mental health care and directing attorneys general across the country to start prosecuting "gun crime" through federal firearms charges from the Justice Department, according to The Atlantic.

Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Mr. Bill on August 21, 2019, 11:25:58 AM
Or maybe not.

Reuters, 8/21/19: Trump says he will push to close background check loopholes for gun buys (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shooting/trump-says-he-will-push-to-close-background-check-loopholes-for-gun-buys-idUSKCN1VB1WD)

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U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday his administration would seek to fill in background check loopholes for gun purchases after Democrats accused him of reversing course on gun control measures.

Trump spoke with the leader of the National Rifle Association lobbying group, Wayne LaPierre, on Tuesday, a White House official said. Trump told reporters outside the White House he did not tell LaPierre, whose group strongly opposes increased gun restrictions, he would avoid pursuing measures on background checks. ...
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on August 21, 2019, 12:31:34 PM
Or maybe not.

Reuters, 8/21/19: Trump says he will push to close background check loopholes for gun buys (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shooting/trump-says-he-will-push-to-close-background-check-loopholes-for-gun-buys-idUSKCN1VB1WD)

Read Trump's quotes.  This is exactly what NRA said.  That Trump will not support universal background checks but will work to fix problems with existing checks- the "Fix NICS" legislation the NRA supports.  Just shows how the media is either unknowledgeable or deceptive in their reporting.  One can be against the draconian universal gun check law but be for trying to at least get some value out of the check system which we pay a fortune to maintain.

“We’re working on background checks. There are things we can do. But we already have very serious background checks. We have strong background checks. We can close up the gaps. We can do things that are very good and things that frankly gun owners want to have done,” Trump said.

“We have background checks but there are loopholes in the background checks. And that’s what I spoke to the NRA about yesterday. They want to get rid of the loopholes as well as I do. At the same time, I don’t want to take away people’s Second Amendment rights,” Trump added later.

This all came about by walking him through the incidents:

"Three NRA officials told me they’ve focused their efforts in the past week on walking Trump through nearly 40 mass shootings in which the gunmen obtained their firearms legally. “Once he understood” that universal background checks would not have prevented many of these massacres, according to the first former senior White House official, “the temperature changed.” They were heartened, then, to hear Trump tell the crowd at his rally in Manchester, New Hampshire, last Thursday that gun violence was mainly a “mental-illness problem” and that “it is not the gun that pulls the trigger; it is the person holding the gun.”"
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on August 21, 2019, 04:59:59 PM
Background on check gaps: https://youtu.be/JLTMkg1RLW0 (https://youtu.be/JLTMkg1RLW0)
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on August 21, 2019, 06:56:29 PM
Some contiguous video footage released by CBS, not cut up like CNN and AP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmymcryQXjw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmymcryQXjw)
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on August 22, 2019, 08:26:49 AM
Heck, it is worth the membership due just to watch the anti-gun Vox staff go into spasms.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/8/21/20826511/trump-background-checks-nra-el-paso-dayton-shootings (https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/8/21/20826511/trump-background-checks-nra-el-paso-dayton-shootings)
Trump echoes NRA talking points, showing that “background checks” talk was all a charade

What a difference two weeks makes. During a Q&A session with reporters on Wednesday, Trump completely reversed himself, saying, “We already have strong background checks.”

He also portrayed the National Rifle Association — which spent $30 million to elect him — as something akin to a co-equal branch of government, and echoed NRA talking points by expressing concern that any new gun control measures would be “a slippery slope.”

Pressed by a reporter on how his talking point about “a slippery slope” mimics the NRA’s preferred language on gun control, he added, “No. It’s a Trump talking point ... we have a Second Amendment and our Second Amendment will remain strong.”
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: mountainmoma on August 22, 2019, 11:43:50 AM
I am a life member, it is important to be a member for many reasons, not least to show high numbers so that the part of the population and leadership that wants to restrict gun rights knows how many of us there are.  Now, it is also a very good idea to support your local groups, for example in California we have https://crpa.org/   the california rifle and pistol association.  SO, they are good to work on the local political issues whearas NRA legislative sub group, a seperate organization ( https://www.nraila.org/ ) does that nationally.  But, the regular NRA is something like $25/year and is not doing the political donations, but what a small price to pay to show those large numbers of members nationally.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on September 16, 2019, 12:55:32 PM
Good news.  NRA Political Victory Fund raised near record amounts this year mainly through small donations.  This is critical as the NRA is the only pro-gun group with a PAC able to support candidates directly like this. For first half of year they have raised two times what largest anti-gun Giffords PAC did.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-pac-fundraising-remains-strong-in-2019/ (https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-pac-fundraising-remains-strong-in-2019/)
NRA PAC Fundraising Remains Strong in 2019
$6.7 million raised through the first half of the year


The National Rifle Association's political action committee raised more funds in the first half of 2019 than gun control PACs did, filings show.

The NRA's committee, the National Rifle Association of America Political Victory Fund, hovered slightly below the fundraising levels it saw at this point during its record-breaking cycle of 2013-2014. The PAC pulled in a total of $21.9 million throughout that cycle. It raised $8.3 million from the start of the cycle through July 2013.

Through the first seven months of 2019, the NRA's PAC reported $6.7 million in contributions with multiple months surpassing $1 million in donations. An overwhelming majority of the PAC's money—$5.7 million—came from unitemized contributions, or small dollar donors who gave $200 or less to the committee. Individuals who contributed more than $200 to the PAC accounted for $970,000 of the PAC's totals.

The NRA's PAC pulled in more than twice the amount any gun control committee did so far this year. The Giffords PAC, for example, reports $3.3 million in receipts through July.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: Stwood on September 16, 2019, 01:32:46 PM
Awesome.

Now if they could straighten their internal shit out, it could be a lot more I would imagine. Probably lots of folks out there that are gun shy of the NRA because of the turmoil.
Title: Re: Why shoud I keep my NRA membership?
Post by: iam4liberty on September 16, 2019, 02:54:10 PM
Awesome.

Now if they could straighten their internal shit out, it could be a lot more I would imagine. Probably lots of folks out there that are gun shy of the NRA because of the turmoil.

Board meeting went very smooth this weekend.  A couple people tried to cause trouble but other members got them to calm down.  Key piece was replacement of legal head and notification that Supreme Court is going to hear New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. The City of New York (which is freakin huge).