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Title: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Freedom Forged on October 22, 2015, 06:18:41 AM
My Patriot Supply has instant coffee that will store long term.  I ordered some samples and tried them last night.  If their was no coffee to be had I could accept this and drink it.  However, I would like to store the coffee I drink, in bulk, long term (20-25 years). 

I'm thinking that I could buy the 1 lb bags, open a pour them into a mylar bag, ad O2 absorber and seal just as I have done with rice, beans and other items.

Your thoughts please.  Thanks in advance for your help.
David
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: DrJohn on October 22, 2015, 06:40:29 AM
Best way to store coffee is unroasted beans.

http://greencoffees.coffeebeandirect.com/?gclid=CMq3-OCM1sgCFVIXHwod3bUNeA
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: scoob on October 22, 2015, 06:55:24 AM
We've been buying raw beans from Costco.  They sell a case (6 - #10 cans) for what works out to about $4/lb last time we bought it.  It's good coffee, and it'll store forever.  Can't remember which beans they use.  I tried to pull up the link, but Costco's site is down at the moment.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: iam4liberty on October 22, 2015, 07:51:10 AM
I'm thinking that I could buy the 1 lb bags, open a pour them into a mylar bag, ad O2 absorber and seal just as I have done with rice, beans and other items.

Most beans will off gas and will blow up like balloons in mylar bags and could eventually pop. There are a few options.   One is to put then in mylar bags with o2 absorbers leaving an unfilled area.  As they blow up occasionally put a small slit in the unfilled area the to let gas escape and then seal the slit by applying heat to it.  A hair iron works great for the revealing.  Another option is to buy mylar bags with an off gassing valve that lets the gasses out but keeps oxygen from coming in.   However these valves can fail without notice so there is a bit of risk in using them.   Third option is to use canning jars with o2 absorbers instead of mylar bags.  In my experience this works the best but is more expensive.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Alan Georges on October 22, 2015, 05:36:02 PM
In the past I have stored roasted beans in mylar with O2 absorbers for up to 5 years without issues.  In every case, they pulled down tight and stayed that way.  However, these days I put them in quart Mason jars with an O2 absorber.  It's just more convenient.  Some seem to pull down a partial vacuum so that I have to pry the lid off, others seem to build up a little pressure.  There's no rhyme or reason to it, but the coffee tastes fine either way.  I think the main thing is to absorb out the O2 so that the bean oils don't oxidize and give that "skunked" flavor.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: r_w on October 22, 2015, 05:56:33 PM
Lots of disagreement in how to store it for LONG term.  Up to five years doesn't seem to matter so much green or roasted, past 10 seems to.  Whole roasted bean already in a real #10 can would be easy. 
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Stwood on January 03, 2016, 07:43:22 PM
I buy and store 2lb bags of whole beans. I store as is in a f gal bucket.
I can get five packages in a bucket.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Hurricane on January 04, 2016, 02:55:36 PM
Plant a few unroasted beans. If the climate DOES change, you might be able to grow your own.  :)
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: d3nni5 on January 04, 2016, 03:57:48 PM
I'm a fairly heavy coffee drinker.   I've found, for the most part, coffee is already packaged well enough (regardless of the packaging).   Most has "Best By" storage up to and over a year.   So I usually buy my coffee on sale (ground or whole bean, whatever i find) and keep it in the original packaging, cycling in and out in FIFO manner.   This gives me plenty (6+ months worth) of coffee without really needing to do anything other than put it on the pantry shelf.   In a SHTF scenerio, I'm sure I would ration and stretch that out 2-3 times as long  and only brew exactly what I plan to drink.   This keeps me in an "eat what I store, store what I eat" frame of mind, and meets my long term needs too because I always have it in stock.

Read this  (FYI, I didn't read them completely either) :) ,

http://www.scaa.org/chronicle/2012/02/15/what-is-the-shelf-life-of-roasted-coffee-a-literature-review-on-coffee-staling/

And this (you may need to use google to translate it),

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0101-20612003000400005&lng=pt&nrm=iso&tlng=pt

According to this, roasted coffee is shelf stable, and age only affects its quality.   So, as long as you are not "snooty snobby" about your coffee, you can just keep it on the shelf.   Freezers, bucketing, etc etc I'm sure will only help preserve the flavor more.

The Binky Hunter is our resident expert on coffee.   He should weigh in.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Stwood on January 04, 2016, 08:21:42 PM
My post above, should have been 5 gal, not f gal.  ??? :)

No editing your own posts here?
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: oktheniknow on January 04, 2016, 11:02:55 PM
Not to change the subject but I'm looking to plant some yaupon holly plants. The dried/roasted leaves can be used for caffeine, and were used by Native Americans. Anyone actually tried and can attest to the taste in comparison to coffee?
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Oil Lady on January 05, 2016, 05:49:43 AM
My post above, should have been 5 gal, not f gal.  ??? :)

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Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Stwood on January 05, 2016, 07:17:27 PM
Ok thanks Oil Lady
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on April 25, 2018, 06:22:57 PM
bumping up an old thread... just wondering after several years how most of us do this...

Around here, coffee is a staple -- we typically have 6-9 months' supply on the pantry shelves, rotated (FIFO). I also have some instant coffee (in case I'd ever get really desperate).

I find this is enough to satisfy my prepping mentality and have never ventured into the whole "storing unroasted beans and then figuring out how to roast them correctly" thing. I realize storing the unroasted beans would give a much longer shelf life, but the whole effort just seems a bit too great to me...
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Stwood on April 25, 2018, 10:23:37 PM
Only thing I've changed is *not* storing our 36oz whole beans coffee in buckets.
I'm just storing on a self, so I can rotate the bags.
We keep between 12 and 16 bags all time.
We use (2 of us) 1 bag in about 30 days or a little less.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on April 26, 2018, 06:37:17 AM
I find shelf storage simpler to rotate, too... I think you keep a bigger supply on hand than I do typically...
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Stwood on April 26, 2018, 09:05:34 AM
I try and replace each bag as used, but sometimes don't. Then I buy 2 to catch up.
At 13.00 for a bag, I don't want to get too far behind.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Hurricane on April 26, 2018, 03:44:49 PM
Not to change the subject but I'm looking to plant some yaupon holly plants. The dried/roasted leaves can be used for caffeine, and were used by Native Americans. Anyone actually tried and can attest to the taste in comparison to coffee?
It makes a very nice tea. Nothing like coffee.
I and another family member have enjoyed these folks products:
https://www.yauponbrothers.com/collections/all

Depends on whether you need the caffeine or the coffee ?
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on April 26, 2018, 04:23:18 PM
It makes a very nice tea. Nothing like coffee.
I and another family member have enjoyed these folks products:
https://www.yauponbrothers.com/collections/all

Depends on whether you need the caffeine or the coffee ?

Cool beans. I've never tried it. Do you live where you can grow your own? If so, have you done it and how do you process/dry the yaupon?
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Hurricane on April 26, 2018, 04:43:36 PM
I could, but I have not.
Don't really drink that much of it.
Trying to stay away from caffeine altogether.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on April 26, 2018, 04:46:28 PM
Not me... I run on caffeine, I think :)

Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Redman on April 26, 2018, 05:05:18 PM
Not me... I run on caffeine, I think :)

I used to run on caffeine also and nicotine. Quit the nicotine and several years later retired, not much caffeine now and can do without if I want to, just make about 8 cups out of habit. Drink only about half of it if that much.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on April 27, 2018, 09:01:10 AM
I was never a smoker, but I understand that many who are think coffee and cigarettes go well together...

We make a big pot of coffee (about 10 cups) each morning and drink it all... and then sometimes I want another cup in the afternoon from the keurig...
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Stwood on April 27, 2018, 09:52:09 AM
Yes cigs and coffee are family.  ;D Or used to be for me.
I used to live on both. Just coffee now.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Bradbn4 on April 28, 2018, 10:20:41 AM
For now my long term coffee needs are met by instant coffee stored in mason jars.  By long term storage, I figure 2 - 3 years based on my current consumption rate.

The only green coffee beans that I have seen for sale are in plastic bags.  I would not mind picking up a few cans of a Moca Java blend.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on April 28, 2018, 12:21:54 PM
@Bradbn4: Do you typically drink instant coffee? I would have a hard time adjusting to that when not an emergency...

It has been awhile since I searched for green coffee beans... as I looked today, I see a wide variety on Amazon... plus I found this nifty vid about using a popcorn popper for a coffee roaster:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBAVyQA-Ys
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Hurricane on April 28, 2018, 12:27:03 PM
Last year I opened a jar of instant coffee which had been sitting unopened, in original factory seal, for a year. Tasted Terrible!
I had had that brand of coffee before and it was fine when fresh.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Bradbn4 on April 28, 2018, 01:04:11 PM
@Bradbn4: Do you typically drink instant coffee? I would have a hard time adjusting to that when not an emergency...

It has been awhile since I searched for green coffee beans... as I looked today, I see a wide variety on Amazon... plus I found this nifty vid about using a popcorn popper for a coffee roaster:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBAVyQA-Ys

Coffee at work is so bad it makes instant taste coffee good.  I drink my coffee weak, tho when I use a french press the coffee taste real smooth and kicks like a mule.   I did not see any green beans in long term storage cans.  I think Safe Castle does sell green beans that way. 

Depending on the time of the year, I will only have one cup of coffee a day, and my efforts to brew a constant good tasting cup of joe fails unless I made a full pot.


Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: David in MN on April 28, 2018, 03:31:55 PM
Boy I hate to be that guy but...

Coffee doesn't store. Its flavor comes from volatile oils. Coffee should be consumed fresh. It's shipped green, roasted, and sold as a fresh commodity.

I'm not throwing shade on long term storers. I do with vacuum packed whole beans but it's the best way to lose.

If you want a long term storable caffeine you really want to look to tea. Not only does it store better but it requires much less space. My Earl Grey, Darjeeling, Puerh, Gunpowder, etc. are awesome pick-me-ups and they will last years in Ball jars in the cupboard. Long after my coffee goes rancid I will have tea.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on April 28, 2018, 04:55:41 PM
Boy I hate to be that guy but...

Coffee doesn't store. Its flavor comes from volatile oils. Coffee should be consumed fresh. It's shipped green, roasted, and sold as a fresh commodity.

I'm not throwing shade on long term storers. I do with vacuum packed whole beans but it's the best way to lose.

If you want a long term storable caffeine you really want to look to tea. Not only does it store better but it requires much less space. My Earl Grey, Darjeeling, Puerh, Gunpowder, etc. are awesome pick-me-ups and they will last years in Ball jars in the cupboard. Long after my coffee goes rancid I will have tea.

Agreed... I know that there are many coffee snobs who would think the coffee I am happy with is not fresh enough. However, when I store coffee on the shelf for up to 6 months or so, we really have no complaints and are pretty happy. Much longer than that and I imagine even our less-sensitive palates might complain. I also tend toward the darker roasts, which have less caffeine per cup, so perhaps my coffee habit isn't as bad as it could be :)

Tea is a great thing to store... I have had many teas that have been stored for a really long time and still taste great. Also, if I am ever unable to get tea with caffeine in it (I really do prefer the black teas), I think I could do just fine with rosehip or mint tea that I could grow myself... so it is all good.

I do know from sad personal experience that I shouldn't try to quit caffeine cold turkey... it gives a whopping bad headache. I've accidentally done this a time or two when traveling and is not something I want to repeat...
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Hurricane on April 29, 2018, 11:43:13 AM
Many of us might not need to actually store tea:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camellia_sinensis

   Camellia sinensis is mainly cultivated in tropical and subtropical climates, in areas with at least 127 cm (50 inches) of rainfall a year. Tea plants prefer a rich and moist growing location in full to part sun, and can be grown in hardiness zones 7 – 9. However, the clonal one is commercially cultivated from the equator to as far north as Cornwall and Scotland on the UK mainland. Many high quality teas are grown at high elevations, up to 1,500 meters (4,900 feet), as the plants grow more slowly and acquire more flavour.

   Tea plants will grow into a tree if left undisturbed, but cultivated plants are pruned to waist height for ease of plucking. Two principal varieties are used, the small-leaved Chinese variety plant (C. sinensis sinensis) and the large-leaved Assamese plant (C. sinensis assamica), used mainly for black tea.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on April 29, 2018, 01:49:25 PM
Have you tried this, hurricane?
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Hurricane on April 29, 2018, 02:41:41 PM
No
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: quiet-man on November 12, 2018, 09:58:28 AM
I've read through the responses on coffee but didn't see anything on the results of storing freeze-dried instant. I would like to try putting instant in mylar w/ O2 absorbers and store indoors at room temperature.
I'm not a coffee snob but my wife is so I store tea that way already. Any feed back on the results of doing this and trying it a couple years down the road?
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on November 12, 2018, 11:21:19 AM
I haven't seen anything on that either, quiet-man. I have an unopened jar of Folgers classic roast crystals that recommended use by April of 2011. I have not stored it in mylar or with any O2 absorbers... shall I perform a taste test and let you know how it survived???

8+ years beyond the use-by date with no special packaging may give us some idea...
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Alan Georges on November 12, 2018, 04:22:31 PM
I have an unopened jar of Folgers classic roast crystals that recommended use by April of 2011. I have not stored it in mylar or with any O2 absorbers... shall I perform a taste test and let you know how it survived???
If you do, we'd love to hear the results.  Did the crystals come through all that time without absorbing moisture?  Were they clumped up, discolored, etc.?  But don't try anything that seems unsafe on our account.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on November 13, 2018, 06:56:06 PM
OK... as requested... I photographed the jar and sampled a cup. What can I say? It tasted just like instant coffee... no ill effects and didn't taste any worse than I remember instant coffee tasting the last time I sampled it. (half and half did help).

(http://castraponere.com/janet/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/IMG_20181113_160042.jpg)

(http://castraponere.com/janet/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/folgers-2.jpg)

(http://castraponere.com/janet/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/folgers-3.jpg)

(http://castraponere.com/janet/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/folgers-4.jpg)

(http://castraponere.com/janet/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/folgers-5.jpg)

(http://castraponere.com/janet/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/folgers-6.jpg)

(http://castraponere.com/janet/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/folgers-8.jpg)

(http://castraponere.com/janet/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/folgers-9.jpg)

(http://castraponere.com/janet/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/folgers-10.jpg)

In short, my determination is that this stuff is fine... even after all these years... of course it won't be like your typical cup of Starbuck's.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Alan Georges on November 13, 2018, 07:07:31 PM
Thanks for the report LvsChant!  Might have to stockpile a few jars now.  Not my usual brew, but when things go sideways there may not be time to grind beans and brew the good stuff.  And honestly, instant is pretty good these days, head an shoulders above what it used to be.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on November 13, 2018, 07:12:05 PM
You are welcome... thanks for the encouragement to open it up. I may need to get more (y'know... just in case).
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Stwood on November 13, 2018, 09:28:38 PM
 8)
Good report.
My folks drank instant. Yuk. They saved all the jars, case after case......all went to the dump. Oh well.

How much is instant these days? May have to find a brand we like and stock some.
We keep whole beans, about a years worth I'd say. We rotate them.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: FreeLancer on November 14, 2018, 12:18:43 AM
Wow, good to know LvsChant.  I'm going to stock some long term.

I really don't like coffee, especially black, but a few years ago I decided to start drinking it with nothing else added  because of the increasing amount of data showing a significant positive effect on all-cause mortality, which has been repeated in several different studies and is positively correlated to dose.  There's also no significant difference between method of preparation or caffeine content, so I decided to test a bunch of different instant brands to find the one I hated the least, which turned out to be the NesCafe Taster's Choice from Costco. 

One thing I've noticed is that I can mix instant coffee crystals into cold tap water and actually don't mind drinking it lukewarm.  In a grid down situation, where filtered or boiled water still has some weird color/taste issues, I'd probably be much happier disguising it with coffee crystals and drinking it that way.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: Hurricane on November 14, 2018, 02:51:34 PM
I had a jar of store-brand instant which did not last a year before it got moisture in it, turned black and crunchy. Fortunately it was a small jar.

I think it depends on the quality of the seal. If I was going to stock up now for long term, I would pick a good national brand and then wrap at least the top of the jar in plastic wrap. Or dip it in wax or something to double-seal it.

I have been trying to get away from the first-thing-every-morning habit, but I still drink too much.
Title: Re: Question for those who store coffee long term
Post by: LvsChant on November 15, 2018, 06:45:16 PM
Yes... especially in high humidity climates I can imagine that situation. As you can see from the photos I posted, the seal on the top of the glass jar was still in excellent condition.

I did nothing special to keep it that way (and you might be interested to know that the jar moved with my family two times during that time period. It was stored part of the time (probably about 2 years) in a non-air-conditioned garage and the rest of the time in an interior pantry).