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Armory, Self Defense, And EDC => Firearms (Including Long Guns, Pistols) => General Ammo, Reloading, Bullet Casting, & Ammo Craft => Topic started by: Beetle on May 17, 2009, 07:40:00 PM

Title: What is this?
Post by: Beetle on May 17, 2009, 07:40:00 PM
It's a .38 special from a German box of ammo? I have never seen this type of bullet and was curious if someone knows what it is?
Title: Re: What is this?
Post by: Sister Wolf on May 17, 2009, 07:58:38 PM
No pic?  ;)
Title: Re: What is this?
Post by: cohutt on May 17, 2009, 08:55:48 PM
What does the box say?

S (German designation) = (light) pointed ball
SS (German designation) = heavy pointed ball
spetskula = pointed bullets
and
S. Spitzgeschoss = (light) pointed ball bullet
S.m.E. Spitzgeschoss mit Eisenkern = pointed bullet w/ iron core
s.S. schweres Spitzgeschoss = heavy pointed ball bullet

Nasty looking, but I presume all of them hurt pretty badly whether flat round pointed or hollow.  :P
Title: Re: What is this?
Post by: union hill on May 18, 2009, 01:59:42 AM
Well, Vollmantel-Geschoss just means fully jacketed projectile ... I don't know about the significance of the cone shaped bullet, but I do know that hollowpoints have a really evil reputation in Germany dating back to WW1, and I wouldn't be surprised if they are seldom sold there.
Title: Re: What is this?
Post by: cohutt on May 18, 2009, 04:19:27 AM
Estate sale bounty?

They messed around with pointed bullets in the mausers way back when but i haven't seen this sort of thing around here in commercial ammo. 

Looks like moly coated lead, I wouldn't want to line those up in a tubular mag lever rifle though. 

Nice to have "non-erosive" rounds whatever that means....
Title: Re: What is this?
Post by: Beetle on May 18, 2009, 10:50:07 AM
  Got them from a friend....Laughing at the non errosive...So are they for punching holes in paper/protection? I was gonna run them through a revolver, do you think that would be ok???
Title: Re: What is this?
Post by: Angus on May 18, 2009, 05:03:31 PM
10.2 grams = 157.410055 grains

You can convert most things right from Google.

Just type "10.2 grams in grains" and out it comes.
Title: Re: What is this?
Post by: cohutt on May 18, 2009, 06:03:45 PM
Not a truncated cone bullet.

Truncate= to shorten, in this case by flattening or chopping the end of the cone.

It is just an oddball pointed bullet; since it appears to be lead it is probably intended to be a target or plinking bullet. 158g is a common weight for 38.  Made for revolvers, fire away.

230g truncated cone bullets on the left

 (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m284/cohutt/bullet%20porn/45s.jpg)

from this mold:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=397569
Title: Re: What is this?
Post by: Beetle on May 19, 2009, 03:08:25 AM
Cool thanks everyone
Title: Re: What is this?
Post by: product85 on May 19, 2009, 01:58:16 PM
Not a truncated cone bullet.

Truncate= to shorten, in this case by flattening or chopping the end of the cone.

It is just an oddball pointed bullet; since it appears to be lead it is probably intended to be a target or plinking bullet. 158g is a common weight for 38.  Made for revolvers, fire away.


good call, you can see the reason why i went with that angle on my guess. The weight is definitely a 38/357 bullet weight.
thanks for the correction.

Anyone ever encounter any molds like that?
Title: Re: What is this?
Post by: cohutt on May 19, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
NEI does

www.neihandtools.com

I think they make it in .358.; I know they make it in .451.



(http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/451-200-sp.jpg)