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Title: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: XtvvmEb on May 16, 2016, 02:10:45 PM
I do not understand the prepper fascination with the concept of "bugging out" the way it's commonly discussed.

I get why you might need to get from Point A to Point B in any number of disaster scenarios--forest fires, hurricanes, etc. I have no argument there.

But where does this fascination with a no-electricity, roads-clogged-with-broken-down-cars, and hordes-of-angry-people-wanting-to-kill-you-and-steal-your-food-and-gas scenario come from?

The threads go on-and-on. I have to have a bug-out vehicle that is 4x4 with high ground clearance and has a bug-out boat hooked to the bumper, a bug-out bike on the front and a bug-out cart inside in case we go on foot.

Could somebody please suggest for me a few scenarios where that type of situation could actually exist?
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: nkawtg on May 16, 2016, 03:05:40 PM
Because in a wrol situation there may be riot gangs roaming the streets in your neighborhood.
Do you want to bug in and maybe put your family at risk?
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Chemsoldier on May 16, 2016, 03:30:07 PM
I do not understand the prepper fascination with the concept of "bugging out" the way it's commonly discussed.

I get why you might need to get from Point A to Point B in any number of disaster scenarios--forest fires, hurricanes, etc. I have no argument there.

But where does this fascination with a no-electricity, roads-clogged-with-broken-down-cars, and hordes-of-angry-people-wanting-to-kill-you-and-steal-your-food-and-gas scenario come from?

The threads go on-and-on. I have to have a bug-out vehicle that is 4x4 with high ground clearance and has a bug-out boat hooked to the bumper, a bug-out bike on the front and a bug-out cart inside in case we go on foot.

Could somebody please suggest for me a few scenarios where that type of situation could actually exist?
Welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Smurf Hunter on May 16, 2016, 03:31:34 PM
Volcanic eruption.

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fraymondpronk.files.wordpress.com%2F2014%2F09%2Fscreen_poster_lahar_haz.jpg&f=1)
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Knecht on May 16, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
It's simple. The bugout believers are all very generous people, who intend to go to the woods, bringing guns, ammo, traps and supplies to those who would be there already :D
While I keep couple "emergency kits" around, I don't really have a bugout kit. Where I currently live is the best place for me to be when bad things happen. Not very likely would they happen right here. I'm here, keeping the place and supplies for the rest of the family - whoever survives would arrive here, sooner or later. The whole house and it's surroundings is my bugout kit.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: r_w on May 16, 2016, 04:43:23 PM
Because it is fun, and making it a little extraordinary makes it feel safer to play along. 

Zombies and jackboots and EMP's, oh my!

Once in a while you can get a good idea out of it, but for the most part it is mindless entertainment.  Just a little more thought than watching TV.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on May 16, 2016, 05:11:47 PM
I do not understand the prepper fascination with the concept of "bugging out" the way it's commonly discussed.

Could somebody please suggest for me a few scenarios where that type of situation could actually exist?

The only good answer is when you have a place to 'bug 'to and prepositioned supplies. Unless forced by circumstance or 'the man' for your own safety.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: machinisttx on May 16, 2016, 05:26:31 PM
Chemical spill
gas leak
loss of habitable home(fire/tornado/earthquake/etc)
riots(sports team wins/loses, rodney king kinda thing)

Once, when I was a kid, we had to "bug out" for a couple nights because the dog killed a skunk under the house. Intolerably stinky....vomit inducing stank.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Mr. Bill on May 16, 2016, 07:32:34 PM
I get why you might need to get from Point A to Point B in any number of disaster scenarios--forest fires, hurricanes, etc. I have no argument there.

That's mostly the focus on this forum.  Disasters of the sort you read about in the news regularly, rather than post-apocalyptic scenarios.

But where does this fascination with a no-electricity, roads-clogged-with-broken-down-cars, and hordes-of-angry-people-wanting-to-kill-you-and-steal-your-food-and-gas scenario come from?

Because it's more fun to think about?  I don't know.  I mean, it might happen.  I think the details would vary quite a bit depending on your exact location, but in any case I don't expect it would be much like Hollywood portrays it.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: excaliber on May 16, 2016, 08:49:09 PM
in my opinion bugging out is a great option for many, think about the millions who live in a small apartment in the middle for New York City. or in any other huge city, where they have a small apartment in a highly populated area. or inner city. These places will be the worst. for people like me outside of city limits of a small (under 12,000 population), I am kind of already bugged out. I have an acre of land and what I need. but the guy in the middle of Chicago needs to find a better place.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: BillyS on May 16, 2016, 10:33:36 PM
I've had to evacuate twice. The first time I had a duffel full of crap I didn't need and a backpack full of stuff that I did need. In the backpack- flashlight, phone charger, $40 cash in small change, magazine to read on the side of the road, and a pack of baby wipes. In the duffel- guns, ammo, camping shit, axe, beer can stove, shovel, etc, etc. I've since taken the common sense thinking of the backpack and applied it to my duffel. now it's merely a 3 day overnight bag with a flashlight, a knife, and a gun just in case.

But yeah, it takes digging though useless gear and not finding clean socks among the zombie-killing equipment to realize that you're being a dumbass.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Ms. Albatross on May 16, 2016, 11:10:19 PM
But yeah, it takes digging though useless gear and not finding clean socks among the zombie-killing equipment to realize that you're being a dumbass.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on May 17, 2016, 05:56:51 AM
I've had to evacuate twice. The first time I had a duffel full of crap I didn't need and a backpack full of stuff that I did need. In the backpack- flashlight, phone charger, $40 cash in small change, magazine to read on the side of the road, and a pack of baby wipes. In the duffel- guns, ammo, camping shit, axe, beer can stove, shovel, etc, etc. I've since taken the common sense thinking of the backpack and applied it to my duffel. now it's merely a 3 day overnight bag with a flashlight, a knife, and a gun just in case.

But yeah, it takes digging though useless gear and not finding clean socks among the zombie-killing equipment to realize that you're being a dumbass.

AMEN...testify brother.....
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Jeremy Downing on May 17, 2016, 06:52:06 AM
But yeah, it takes digging though useless gear and not finding clean socks among the zombie-killing equipment to realize that you're being a dumbass.

Every now and then you stumble across a gem of truth. Ta-da! haha. :D
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Cedar on May 17, 2016, 10:36:52 AM
Check out the recent and ongoing Fort M.cMurray wildfires
Oil spill into that Virginia river
Noxious fumes which inundated that California town
The big landslide in Washington State
The radioactive leak in a southern state near that town
All the railroad wre ks with noxious chemi als which would kill you in minutes over the last two years
All tbe refinery explosions over the last two years
Look at how many people had to get to higher ground due to flooding across the US and Canada in tbe last two years. Check out the Calgary flooding.
Lead in the city water in MI
Hurricane Katrina, Ike and the one on the upper east coast
My cousins had to BO when Mt St Helens exploded and fhey lived on the Toutle River,

Look further away like Donetsk, Aleppo, Homs...

Cedar
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: osubuckeye4 on May 17, 2016, 10:39:14 AM
I'm glad you mentioned disasters... because that's the reason the vast majority of people should have a reasonable "bug out" bag prepped and ready to go at all times.



But where does this fascination with a no-electricity, roads-clogged-with-broken-down-cars, and hordes-of-angry-people-wanting-to-kill-you-and-steal-your-food-and-gas scenario come from?

The threads go on-and-on. I have to have a bug-out vehicle that is 4x4 with high ground clearance and has a bug-out boat hooked to the bumper, a bug-out bike on the front and a bug-out cart inside in case we go on foot.

Could somebody please suggest for me a few scenarios where that type of situation could actually exist?

I think that once people cover the basics, they get bored and let their imagination run wild.


It's sort of the same reason why my wife owns 9,000 pairs of shoes (hyperbole  ;)). Why does anyone need that many shoes, you can only wear one pair at a time?

To her, it keeps her going and gives her something to do when all of her other obligations are taken care of.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on May 19, 2016, 07:36:58 PM
I'm more like Knecht. We are not planning on bugging out. We're planning on staying put and surviving here off the grid. I've been trying to get the extended family to get their chit together so they can get here if need be. So far it's mostly fell on deaf ears and hasn't sunk in.
One of my sons when they were here last, I grabbed some pantry supplies and gave them to him. I told him *here's your start, buy a darn bag and continue.*
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Greekman on May 20, 2016, 11:36:48 PM
ALL of the above, plus

it is fancy,
it re-activates men's (mostly) adventure gene, that has been rendered dormand nowdays,
it is good for the industry.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: surfivor on May 21, 2016, 12:52:37 AM

 I think you could end up in an area where there is no electricity or running water, there's crime and the govt or police might tell you you have to leave. Either go to a shelter they provide or leave the area
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on May 21, 2016, 04:54:15 AM
If everyone went to the woods to live,their would not be enough food and it would be over crowded and produce much lawlessness
as people resorted to violence for food and big screen TV's and beer.I think I will stay at home unless I absolutely must  leave due
to danger. And then I will go to my BOL and live comfortably ,well beneath the surface.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on May 21, 2016, 08:25:58 AM
I'm already in the woods.  ;D
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Canadian Prepper on May 21, 2016, 12:03:09 PM
There's definitely some types of situations where people have to "bug out" as in the Fort McMurray fires and the sudden evacuation of 180 000 residents of Mississauga, Ontario in 1979, so there's an argument for being prepared for such eventualities, though there was no significant crime or violence if any associated with those evacuations.

I know of people that had to be ready to suddenly deploy for work purposes that took them into fairly remote areas and a variety of climates, so they had to have gear ready to go on a moment's notice. We've also had opportunities for Red Cross and possibly ARES to deploy on short notice, so I've on occasion found myself adjusting my bags for that.

Lots of us like to camp, sometimes even fish and hunt in the bush, so I regularly pack my gear for that and know many others who do. For a while I had gear sorted in such a way that it would be ready for a couple weeks at a fishing or hunt camp, plus my more condensed camping gear and 72 hr bags, with the idea that I could also use the gear for an extended ARES deployment, etc. I could show up ready to operate for a few days with a BOB and perhaps an extra radio bag, or pack more gear into a vehicle for a longer duration.

Though some of my hunting, shooting and tactical gear could work for some of the dramatic situations spoken about on survival forums, the likelihood of having to conduct a SERE style escape from my home city is miniscule to say the very least. Of course, we don't have anything like a crime ridden American inner city here, but even there I would see it as unlikely.





Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: rustyknife on May 21, 2016, 04:21:42 PM
I'm pretty much in agreement with Cedar. Too much chance of either man made or natural disasters. I also carry a spare tire in my pickup even though I haven't had to use it in years. I have seen first hand what a grocery store looks like in a panic buy by the public. I live pretty much where I feel I can make a stand if I have to, if not, then the mountains are only a few miles away.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Bolomark on May 21, 2016, 05:21:24 PM
Why would I need to bug out?

1.survival till tomorrow.
2.the same reason I wear a seat belt when driving and flying (just in case i need it)
3.to get back to some sorta resemblance of normality.
4. I do not trust the government to save me, just look at the fine jobs in the past (new Orleans, ect . they roll in once it is safe.) even in japan the most  prepared country in the world was not ready and botched the handling of the area after the earthquake and tsunami. life goes on like nothing happened around the area of incident,so why would you want to stay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti7nZwxUEjU
5.the most of all.... i am responsible for my own life and that of my family. job one
You Only Get One Life. Rise Up And Live It. (Terry Goodkind )
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: XtvvmEb on May 23, 2016, 05:04:26 AM
I appreciate all the responses, amigo!

I certainly agree with all of you who provided scenarios in which a bug-out might be necessary.

And, I'm in favor of having kits and gear pre-packed and ready to go in case of certain scenarios.

But, none of you really provided a scenario which fits the fantasy with the exception of localized riots. (A scenario in which all the power is out, people are shooting each other in the streets, you need a 4x4 vehicle to head cross-country to escape the zombies, etc.)

The most helpful comment to help me understand came from @Greekman: "it is fancy, it re-activates men's (mostly) adventure gene, that has been rendered dormand nowdays, it is good for the industry."

I like the first 2 reasons. And I think it does activate a bit of that adventure gene.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy reading "Lights Out" or "Patriots" as much as the next guy. I've just never been able to understand a plausible scenario to get to that level of WROL.

I look at Venezuala right now and, although I'm sure violent crime is on the rise, I don't see zombies in the streets.

Thanks for all the input!
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Cedar on May 23, 2016, 07:12:35 AM
But, none of you really provided a scenario which fits the fantasy with the exception of localized riots. (A scenario in which all the power is out, people are shooting each other in the streets, you need a 4x4 vehicle to head cross-country to escape the zombies, etc.)

 ???

* "Heavy shelling by the Ukrainian Army and paramilitary units have caused civilian fatalities in Donetsk. Human Rights Watch has called on both warring factions to cease using BM-21 Grad in populated areas, and has said the use of these weapons systems may be a violation of international humanitarian laws and could constitute war crimes

(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/54c11bedecad042e769135d7-1200-800/aeroport.png)

(https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M60fe0250992c02cb146b17c965d2589co0&pid=15.1)

I doubt there are 'zombies', but I am pretty much thinking anyone who could get out of Donetsk in the last two years has. Believe it or not, there are people who did not leave for some reason living under the streets in communities in something which looks like it would have been in a Mad Max movie scenario.. these people have no electric, very little food, very little water, no outside contact that I can tell unless reporters go in, film and come out. There are men, women and children of all ages living underground. And that still does not keep their 'world' from shaking each time the bombs go off.


* Homs.
"Homs is one of many cities in Syria where large anti-government demonstrations have been held, part of the wider Syrian civil war. It has been referred to as the "Capital of the revolution." Thousands to tens of thousands gathered in the city's main square on 17–18 April 2011 in a sit-in protesting the government of current president Bashar al-Assad. At least 62 people were killed by government security forces in armed clashes against local anti-government militants.

Starting on 6 May 2011, the city has been under siege by the Syrian Army and security forces. The Syrian government claims it is targeting "armed gangs" and "terrorists" in the area. According to the Syrian opposition, Homs has since become a "blighted city," where authorities regularly block deliveries of medicine, food and fuel to the inhabitants of certain districts. By June, there were near-daily confrontations between protesting residents and Syrian forces. As a result of these circumstances, there have been more deaths in Homs and its vicinity than in other areas of Syria.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Homs_offensive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Homs

(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M6559992d8676a68388cafc7bb16ee751H0&pid=15.1)

There are still people living here as well. How? I have no idea. Why? No idea.


* Fort McMurray
The people have not been able to return to their homes yet. Many had nothing except what they were wearing. Power was out, radio stations were out/dying, tv was out, had to use vehicles to escape cross country as well as deking the fire off the road at times (see photo - they had to go though the grass due to the fire to the left side of the photo) . Many were 4x4's because that is pretty much what is required up in that part of the country. Again, no Zombies, but I am sure there were enough smoke inhantant exhausted humans to qualify as such. Now (today) health authorities reported an outbreak of gastronenteritis in shelters for people evacuated from Fort McMurray, with 105 cases tallied so far, majority in one facility.

(http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/article29979611.ece/BINARY/w620/WX303_Fiery_Earth.JPG)

The fire was 371 miles long as of 2 days ago, and now has crossed into the next province. No one has been able to get back into Fort McMurray since it started 23 days ago

http://www.wired.com/2016/05/case-forgot-canadas-massive-northern-fire-still-burning/


I do not understand the prepper fascination with the concept of "bugging out" the way it's commonly discussed.

I took your opening post as reality, not the fantasy. For me, possible/probable is the way it is commonly discussed, as I loathe any talk about Zombies, "The Walking Dead" and so forth. Since you are new, and have only 2 posts both in this thread, perhaps you have been reading OTHER forums where that FANTASY thing tends to be more common, but maybe you ought to read more of the posts around TSP and see we are of a different flavor (most of the time).


Cedar
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: XtvvmEb on May 23, 2016, 11:52:52 AM
Cedar,

Thanks so much for that awesome link! Interesting to see a Mad Max world in real life.

I know this forum is more practical than many. I'm glad for that.

I'm a long-time listener to TSP and a long-time lurker here...just haven't chosen to contribute anything in the past.

I guess there's just this consistent theme of people planning for an immediate, violent collapse that seems pervasive through many prepper circles. There's an idea that, "I'll be at my desk, the bomb will go off, and I'll grab my bags, fire up my 4x4, and head off through the throngs to get home!"

Most events (even including the Homs example?) seem to be much slower in their onset. They seem to have plenty of lead time to get away before the crowds are on your tail.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: XtvvmEb on May 23, 2016, 11:53:57 AM
btw, The Ft. McMurray story is very, very compelling. Truly incredible imagery.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Badhog on May 23, 2016, 05:55:13 PM
Has the OP's mother-in-law never come to visit?
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: FrugalFannie on May 23, 2016, 06:06:52 PM
Chemical spill
gas leak
loss of habitable home(fire/tornado/earthquake/etc)
riots(sports team wins/loses, rodney king kinda thing)

Once, when I was a kid, we had to "bug out" for a couple nights because the dog killed a skunk under the house. Intolerably stinky....vomit inducing stank.

right but you wouldn't be heading off to the woods and trying to live off the land in those cases. You would likely head out of the affected area to family or a hotel.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: endurance on May 24, 2016, 10:52:21 AM
right but you wouldn't be heading off to the woods and trying to live off the land in those cases. You would likely head out of the affected area to family or a hotel.
This is exactly my strategy for 95% of the events I can imagine. For me, the greatest risks of displacement are wildland fire, severe winter storms, extended power outages, or a tree falling on my house. In most cases a friend's house (pre-arranged) or hotel would be the best bet. I could get trapped by snow away from home, so I keep a couple changes of clothes at work and can walk to the nearest hotel. I keep a couple days of food in my filing cabinet in case the hotel restaurant runs out of food.

Because I hike a lot and don't always plan for my hikes in advance, I keep a spare pack in my trunk with all the essentials to get me through a night or two in the back country. I also have the possibility of sliding off the road, so I keep several days worth of food in the car. Because I'm a volunteer firefighter, I always have my turnout gear and wildland gear (in the summer) in my car. As a result, I'll never freeze!  Otherwise I used to keep an old sleeping bag in my trunk in the winter.

I get that my situation is just that; I don't have the risks of hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, etc. Some of those situations could lead to very chaotic and lawless situations because of the social structure of the area in which case I would want a lot more tools and equipment available to me.

I came out of the Cold War, so I used to plan for Armageddon. Most of the time I consider the bugout fanatics who focus mostly on the extreme end of things are welcome to plan for the unlikely, but it's not for me... Then I see Russia invade the Ukraine and realize that if they push into a NATO state like Lithuania we might be racheting up to World War III quite quickly and think that it might not be a bad idea to have a teotwawki kit around.

I guess that's my quandary. I really don't see the need, but I also don't see the harm. Of all my deep preps, not just the edc and car kit stuff, but the stuff that sets us apart from the majority, the most useful thing to date is a deep pantry. Having been laid up for three weeks at the same time as my wife due to my gallbladder and her broken ribs, it was nice to have the cushion of food to defray our expenses while we had a reduced income. It has also kept us off the roads in winter when we might otherwise be compelled to go out to eat or go shopping; instead we go to the basement or deep freezer.  Sure, I've been a hero with a good first aid kit when we were at a company picnic, or providing that tarp for a wind break or shade structure for the class graduation BBQ, or the bug spray that kept us sane on the Fourth of July, but I have a hard time justifying the deeper stuff that leans toward mad max. ...for now...
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: bcksknr on May 25, 2016, 07:15:56 AM
     If you are prepared to bug out, then you are also prepared to stay put. I remember a magazine article. possible in Popular Science, from the Cold War (which was during my impressionable and formative years). As a test, a family was more or less chosen at random and given 30 minutes to pack up and "evacuate" their home, ostensibly because of an anticipated nuclear strike. What they did and didn't do successfully was documented by observers. Unfortunately, the only two recommendation I can remember from the exercise were to always keep clothes hangers facing the same way on a closet pole; that way you can empty a closet by gathering up and "unhanging" an armload without having to untangle hangers. The other suggestion was to remove entire drawers and put them in your vehicle, rather than picking through them and packing in a different container. I know there were other, similar findings from resources in every room of the home. Example: I keep canned goods in their cardboard trays so that I could carry out a tray of 12 or 24 cans, instead of trying to pack individual items.
     I still keep my closets organized that way, although in light of today's reality, being prepared to bug out in advanced makes more sense than a
grab and run" scenario. There are so many things that could necessitate evacuating in an emergency. How much more sensible to have pre-packed easily transportable items, than to have to run around the house, throwing things in a vehicle, perhaps in a panic.
     Naturally, the best place to be in a "situation" is in your home. Your home should have all of (or most of) the resources you would need. If you have the usual shelter, first aid, clothing, food, filters and survival tools packed and ready to go, but you can "shelter in place", then you're that much more organized and ahead of the game. The activity of preparing bug out supplies is valuable in and of itself, because it allows you to think and evaluate what would really be needed in an emergency situation, specific to your situation. We don't get hurricanes, but seasonal severe weather is a possibility. We also have oil trains that run through the area.
     There are many events that could necessitate leaving your home, for the safety of yourself and family. You are much better off being prepared to do so, than needing to do so and not being prepared and if you can shelter in place, so much the better.   

     
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: endurance on May 25, 2016, 08:17:21 AM
Along those same lines, pillow cases make decent bags for emptying a pantry into and I always keep two extra large duffel bags empty for emergencies.

One of my bigger issues is that in a wildland fire, I'll be busy with the fire since I'm a volunteer firefighter. My wife is no longer a member of our local department, so the plan is to have her focus on loading up the animals, grab the laptops, and turn on the roof sprinklers as she heads out the door.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Cedar on May 25, 2016, 08:28:06 AM
Along those same lines, pillow cases make decent bags for emptying a pantry into

When my families house was robbed many years ago, my mom was mystified that the thieves stole her pillow cases. The police told her the bad guys used them to haul the loot away. Pillow cases are also good cat carriers in an emergency. Tie the top.

Cedar
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on May 25, 2016, 08:39:30 AM
bcksknr, excellent post.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Sephiroth on May 25, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
Bugging out is the way to go if you are in a huge city like New York or Los Angeles...

Take my example. I moved from the States back to Brazil years ago... I currently live in São Paulo, that as of today has a population of 13 million people and another 9 million people in the satellite-cities. That is 22 MILLION people living in an area of 75 square KM.....

So no, i can´t stay here in WROL situation.

I had to do, with the help of people from this forum and my wits, my homework. I mapped all possible and likely scenarios and prepped for each one. Example: if i see a WROL situation developing, i bug out to my B location that is ready. But if it´s a energy crisis or economical collapse of my city, i can bug in for a full week.

IMO, every prepper has to prep for  for his/her most possible scenarios and never say "never". I personally dont like the idea of bugging out, but MY PERSONAL life doesn´t grant me the luxury of saying i dont need to do so...
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Mr. Bill on May 25, 2016, 11:06:27 AM
Pillow cases are also good cat carriers in an emergency. Tie the top.

 :jaw-drop:

I think I would need a suit of armor to make that work!

Okay, serious suggestion: If you have a cat carrier, leave it OPEN somewhere convenient (for the cat) all the time.  Our cat occasionally naps in his carrier, so when it comes time to load him into it for a vet trip (or bugout), he won't be afraid of it.

Come to think of it, I've got a photo here somewhere... Ah:

(http://statler.ws/PrepperCat.jpg)

We had a grass fire nearby, and even though it didn't appear to be threatening our property we went ahead with a partial bugout drill and piled all our stuff in the foyer.  The cat carrier turned out to be self-loading. ;D
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Ms. Albatross on May 25, 2016, 11:57:56 AM
  The cat carrier turned out to be self-loading. ;D

 :rofl:
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: archer on May 25, 2016, 11:59:22 AM
hmm good idea..
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on May 25, 2016, 07:49:47 PM
:rofl:

+1  :rofl:
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: bcksknr on May 26, 2016, 05:15:35 AM
     Endurance; one of a Preppers bigger concerns is what to do when one or the other spouse is employed as an emergency responder. In some instances maybe both parents of children are similarly employed. What takes priority? Duty to self, family, neighbors, community or job? It must be a terribly difficult choice to make between reporting to the fire station, hospital, police station, etc. and getting your own family out of harms way.
     My feeling is that in a calamitous event, one's first duty is to personal and family safety. I can only speak for myself and I don't think anyone can really say what they would do if they were in a situation where they had to choose between helping a family across town evacuate, when their own family might also be at risk. This makes the case for pre-planning how a responder's family would deal with a "bug-out", while the responder was called to duty.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Cedar on May 26, 2016, 06:56:36 AM
Okay, serious suggestion: If you have a cat carrier, leave it OPEN somewhere convenient (for the cat) all the time.  Our cat occasionally naps in his carrier, so when it comes time to load him into it for a vet trip (or bugout), he won't be afraid of it.

This is basically what I did with my cat too. I had a small pan I kept in his cat carrier as a litterbox. He had to use the cat carrier or cross his legs until he decided to use it. He travels awesomely... loose in the car, and in the back seat I have his cat carrier with his litter pan and he uses it while we were on the road from Canada to Oregon. He was 4 weeks old or so when I started him in there.

You could also start feeding a cat in a carrier. Some people do the same thing with horses/trailers to teach them to load.

The pillowcase is easier than you think, and what I had clients bring fractious cats into the clinic in when they did not have a carrier. I think it is easier to get the wild cat into the pillowcase, than it is to get it out when you cannot see its head (or claws). But the pillow case does tend to calm them as they cannot see anything.

Cedar
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: endurance on May 26, 2016, 11:06:20 AM
     Endurance; one of a Preppers bigger concerns is what to do when one or the other spouse is employed as an emergency responder. In some instances maybe both parents of children are similarly employed. What takes priority? Duty to self, family, neighbors, community or job? It must be a terribly difficult choice to make between reporting to the fire station, hospital, police station, etc. and getting your own family out of harms way.
     My feeling is that in a calamitous event, one's first duty is to personal and family safety. I can only speak for myself and I don't think anyone can really say what they would do if they were in a situation where they had to choose between helping a family across town evacuate, when their own family might also be at risk. This makes the case for pre-planning how a responder's family would deal with a "bug-out", while the responder was called to duty.
The biggest thing I can do to improve my situation is mitigate to the point where my house is likely to survive regardless of how bad it gets. Thanks to some strategic tree harvesting over the years, having horses to keep the grass short and neighbors who do a decent job mitigating themselves, I'm in pretty decent shape for a major wildland fire.

Most disasters can be planned for and many can be mitigated for in some form or another. Having a spouse that gets it makes a huge difference. My wife isn't into the whole prepping thing, per se, but she's a fire line qualified paramedic, neuro & critical care certified ICU nurse and gets it more than most. While there was a time I had a hard time getting her to carry even a basic first aid kit before she started with the fire department, now she carries a full jump kit and bunker gear in her car at all times. I responded to a call last summer and when I arrived on scene, she already had an IV started (she was driving home from work and came across the scene). 

Our critters are our only real concern and we have good neighbors that would make sure they got out safely. I've never felt more a part of a community than I do here. That counts more than bugout bags and bugout locations. Much of that closeness comes from my fire department experiences. There's no better way to earn your neighbor's trust than to really be there for them in their hour of need.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: sams on May 26, 2016, 01:25:14 PM
Has the OP's mother-in-law never come to visit?

THIS.

Also Rioters, Hemoragic fever, stolen elections, rioters, and Civil wars.

In that order
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Knecht on May 29, 2016, 04:06:40 PM
Don't worry about carrying your cat along. Just release it. Other preppers wanna eat, too! Don't be selfish!
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Ms. Albatross on May 30, 2016, 11:22:37 AM
Don't worry about carrying your cat along. Just release it. Other preppers wanna eat, too! Don't be selfish!

 :jaw-drop:
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Knecht on May 31, 2016, 06:04:47 PM
You may not like it, but that's the way it is. In most times of poverty and need, the home pets end up on plate very fast.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Greekman on May 31, 2016, 11:54:18 PM
see Venezouela this month...
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on June 01, 2016, 05:04:46 AM
Note to self....get some pet cows..;.and barbeque sauce :P.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on June 01, 2016, 09:08:05 PM
Note to self....get some pet cows..;.and barbeque sauce :P.

Fer sure. There's a good supply of them right across the road.... ;D
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: bcksknr on June 02, 2016, 09:40:18 AM
     In reality, in a full scale WROL societal meltdown following the first few days of relative "shock and awe", during which public empathy, compassion and compliance will wane, fueled by confusion, lack of information and direction, fear and panic, the real S will HTF. Big cities, with their crowded urban centers are basically deserts, without modern technology to support them. As the realization that their cities can no longer support them, citizens will begin to move. Not unlike a herd of cattle. spooked by lightening, they will stampede to whatever rural ares they think will have the basics for life. Even the police and National Guard troops will not be able to hold back the millions, if they haven't already left for perceived safety with their families and loved ones. All that will remain will be lawless gangs, feeding on the bones of civilization and not realizing that they are trapped in a "deadzone".
     Those of us that live in a more rural setting will slowly see increasing numbers of "refugees" (we are 15 miles from a city of 50,000). The first to arrive in small towns or villages may find shelter, but as the numbers swell and pose a threat to those in the countryside, violence is the only outcome. What about mankind's "good nature"? Wouldn't those that have something want to share with those who have lost everything? If there is any semblance of governmental order and authority still functioning, wouldn't they mandate giving aid to the hordes that have spread out into the countryside?  Surely, food and supplies will be arriving soon, along with personnel to restore order. Nope.
     Think of a hurricane Katrina, but occurring in every state in the nation simultaneously. No internet, no television, no radio, no electricity, no public utilities, no law enforcement, no way for an unprepared government to function or even offer any help for the helpless. So, back to "Why would you need to "bug out?.
     You would need to go"someplace else" if you were in a city because cities will rapidly become deathtraps in the event of a nationwide SHTF event. You would eventually need to go "someplace else" if you lived in a small, rural town or village because you would be overrun by desperate or lawless groups escaping the cities, looking for supplies (remember, groceries would be emptied within hours or at most three days). Even if you lived on a rural farmstead far into the country, you would be forced out by the remnants of the looters, like locusts picking the landscape clean.
     Stay or leave? In the city, leave as fast as you can ahead of the mobs. In the country, stay as long as you can until forced to flee. What then? Find the largest, strongest, best armed, most organized group (gang) you can and hope you have some skill of value to them. Get used to a less pleasant than medieval lifestyle.
         
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Jeremy Downing on June 02, 2016, 11:26:40 AM
     In reality, in a full scale WROL societal meltdown following the first few days of relative "shock and awe", during which public empathy, compassion and compliance will wane, fueled by confusion, lack of information and direction, fear and panic, the real S will HTF. Big cities, with their crowded urban centers are basically deserts, without modern technology to support them. As the realization that their cities can no longer support them, citizens will begin to move. Not unlike a herd of cattle. spooked by lightening, they will stampede to whatever rural ares they think will have the basics for life. Even the police and National Guard troops will not be able to hold back the millions, if they haven't already left for perceived safety with their families and loved ones. All that will remain will be lawless gangs, feeding on the bones of civilization and not realizing that they are trapped in a "deadzone".
     Those of us that live in a more rural setting will slowly see increasing numbers of "refugees" (we are 15 miles from a city of 50,000). The first to arrive in small towns or villages may find shelter, but as the numbers swell and pose a threat to those in the countryside, violence is the only outcome. What about mankind's "good nature"? Wouldn't those that have something want to share with those who have lost everything? If there is any semblance of governmental order and authority still functioning, wouldn't they mandate giving aid to the hordes that have spread out into the countryside?  Surely, food and supplies will be arriving soon, along with personnel to restore order. Nope.
     Think of a hurricane Katrina, but occurring in every state in the nation simultaneously. No internet, no television, no radio, no electricity, no public utilities, no law enforcement, no way for an unprepared government to function or even offer any help for the helpless. So, back to "Why would you need to "bug out?.
     You would need to go"someplace else" if you were in a city because cities will rapidly become deathtraps in the event of a nationwide SHTF event. You would eventually need to go "someplace else" if you lived in a small, rural town or village because you would be overrun by desperate or lawless groups escaping the cities, looking for supplies (remember, groceries would be emptied within hours or at most three days). Even if you lived on a rural farmstead far into the country, you would be forced out by the remnants of the looters, like locusts picking the landscape clean.
     Stay or leave? In the city, leave as fast as you can ahead of the mobs. In the country, stay as long as you can until forced to flee. What then? Find the largest, strongest, best armed, most organized group (gang) you can and hope you have some skill of value to them. Get used to a less pleasant than medieval lifestyle.
         

Sound's like I should join Negan's band. lol
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: bcksknr on June 02, 2016, 10:28:18 PM
     I'll admit that I take a rather negative view of human reaction to a world without law due to some calamitous event. I propose a dark scenario only in the case where the public sees little or no hope for a return to normalcy. Most of the time, given the restrictions of future retribution after the resolution of an emergency, I believe most of the public will act within civilized bounds. Neighbors will help each other, governmental resources will be available, strangers will contribute to aid organizations. If we are talking about a complete societal breakdown due to catastrophic national or global disaster, eventually the realization that things will potentially never revert to normalcy will sink in to even the most charitable individual. At what point will family members watch each other starve or die from thirst or disease before they will do normally unthinkable things to survive.
     When the food stocks are gone (the shelves are emptied), when the water doesn't flow from the tap or flush the toilet (treatment plants shut down), when the hospitals have used their last resources (if you can find a health facility that hasn't been looted for drugs), when even the police and military have gone to protect their own families and loved ones, then we will see what people are really made of. My belief is that most people do the "right" thing because they are afraid of the consequences of doing the "wrong" thing. Strip away the thin veneer of a hopeful civilization and I see the future, where only the strong survive, looking very ugly.   
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: osubuckeye4 on June 03, 2016, 07:36:59 AM
     I'll admit that I take a rather negative view of human reaction to a world without law due to some calamitous event. I propose a dark scenario only in the case where the public sees little or no hope for a return to normalcy. Most of the time, given the restrictions of future retribution after the resolution of an emergency, I believe most of the public will act within civilized bounds. Neighbors will help each other, governmental resources will be available, strangers will contribute to aid organizations. If we are talking about a complete societal breakdown due to catastrophic national or global disaster, eventually the realization that things will potentially never revert to normalcy will sink in to even the most charitable individual. At what point will family members watch each other starve or die from thirst or disease before they will do normally unthinkable things to survive.
     When the food stocks are gone (the shelves are emptied), when the water doesn't flow from the tap or flush the toilet (treatment plants shut down), when the hospitals have used their last resources (if you can find a health facility that hasn't been looted for drugs), when even the police and military have gone to protect their own families and loved ones, then we will see what people are really made of. My belief is that most people do the "right" thing because they are afraid of the consequences of doing the "wrong" thing. Strip away the thin veneer of a hopeful civilization and I see the future, where only the strong survive, looking very ugly.   

I don't think people do the right thing because they are afraid. I think most people do the right think out of convenience.

It's way more convenient (for most) to fall in line and play by societies rules than it is to break the law/social code at every turn and try to continually get away with it.

Put it this way... life is much easier when you choose to try to get along with your neighbor, than if you chose to constantly bicker and fight with your neighbor. That's why most people put aside the more petty differences, and generally get along with their neighbor. If not get along with, at the very least, co-exist.


I think that once the tables turn and it's more convenient to behave in a counter culture way, that is what people will do.

Eventually though... rules are formed, and people realize that they have to start working together. Not because it's "right" or "wrong", but because it's necessary and more convenient in the end.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: endurance on June 03, 2016, 08:58:08 AM
     In reality, in a full scale WROL societal meltdown following the first few days of relative "shock and awe", during which public empathy, compassion and compliance will wane, fueled by confusion, lack of information and direction, fear and panic, the real S will HTF. Big cities, with their crowded urban centers are basically deserts, without modern technology to support them. As the realization that their cities can no longer support them, citizens will begin to move. Not unlike a herd of cattle. spooked by lightening, they will stampede to whatever rural ares they think will have the basics for life. Even the police and National Guard troops will not be able to hold back the millions, if they haven't already left for perceived safety with their families and loved ones. All that will remain will be lawless gangs, feeding on the bones of civilization and not realizing that they are trapped in a "deadzone".
     Those of us that live in a more rural setting will slowly see increasing numbers of "refugees" (we are 15 miles from a city of 50,000). The first to arrive in small towns or villages may find shelter, but as the numbers swell and pose a threat to those in the countryside, violence is the only outcome. What about mankind's "good nature"? Wouldn't those that have something want to share with those who have lost everything? If there is any semblance of governmental order and authority still functioning, wouldn't they mandate giving aid to the hordes that have spread out into the countryside?  Surely, food and supplies will be arriving soon, along with personnel to restore order. Nope.
     Think of a hurricane Katrina, but occurring in every state in the nation simultaneously. No internet, no television, no radio, no electricity, no public utilities, no law enforcement, no way for an unprepared government to function or even offer any help for the helpless. So, back to "Why would you need to "bug out?.
     You would need to go"someplace else" if you were in a city because cities will rapidly become deathtraps in the event of a nationwide SHTF event. You would eventually need to go "someplace else" if you lived in a small, rural town or village because you would be overrun by desperate or lawless groups escaping the cities, looking for supplies (remember, groceries would be emptied within hours or at most three days). Even if you lived on a rural farmstead far into the country, you would be forced out by the remnants of the looters, like locusts picking the landscape clean.
     Stay or leave? In the city, leave as fast as you can ahead of the mobs. In the country, stay as long as you can until forced to flee. What then? Find the largest, strongest, best armed, most organized group (gang) you can and hope you have some skill of value to them. Get used to a less pleasant than medieval lifestyle.
         
While I've always been a little less dark than this, I recently read Rebecca Solnit's book, A Paradise Built in Hell, and while she's a bit more of an anarchist than I am, nevertheless, she cites several very well documented examples of situations where people didn't lose it.  In fact, they responded better than the government could have imagines and the government was the real problem.  The stories out of Katrina were grossly exaggerated when it comes to human-caused tragedy.  One fact that blew my mind because the media never covered the actual facts was the Superdome.  Do you know how many actual deaths there were in the Superdome?  The media reported raping babies and homicide, but in the end, there were six deaths; four from natural causes, one suicide and one apparent homicide. 

The author's look at the San Francisco earthquake of 1906 is just one example of how communities banded together and were the key to their own salvation.  I highly recommend the book because history may surprise you.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: bob3 on June 08, 2016, 04:31:38 AM
OP, I believe it depends on the geographic size of the societal problem.  To me, a BOB is what you need until you get out of the area affected, because unless it's national or regional (multi-state) you're going to be able to get to a motel and a Wal-Mart within a day or two.

I'm in hurricane country.  The easiest "bug-out bag" for me is money I can spend somewhere safe because I can buy everything I need to live in an area not affected by the storm.  Yes, my assumption is that the area is limited, and I have the means to escape it, but this is consistent with hurricanes, wildfires, volcanic eruptions, etc. 

Example -- my Texan in-laws got stuck on I-10 fleeing from Ike because they waited until everyone else left, and every convenience store on every exit in the immediate area was getting cleaned out.  They parked on the highway for 6 hours and wanted water, snacks, and something to do (I would have also had an EDC weapon & ammo and decent first-aid kit, just in case).  But even with something on that scale, traffic cleared in a few hours and they had a nice dinner and a good night's sleep in a motel.  Yes, you could plan for much worse, but I try to focus on the most likely and serious threats.  Nation-wide EMP and I'm just screwed, but I would be no matter what was in my backpack.

Outside my BOB I have a causal EDC bag that has some decent first-aid and other doo-dads.  I also have a "car kit" that isn't for evacuating but just normal life where we take family trips in cars and need auto-specific things, including more water and food.  Add all this up, and I can "live", albeit uncomfortably, for 24 hours without any outside support until I get somewhere comfy. 

I would appreciate any responsible mocking of gaping holes in my thought process.

Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on June 08, 2016, 04:38:38 AM
OP, I believe it depends on the geographic size of the societal problem.  To me, a BOB is what you need until you get out of the area affected, because unless it's national or regional (multi-state) you're going to be able to get to a motel and a Wal-Mart within a day or two.

I'm in hurricane country.  The easiest "bug-out bag" for me is money I can spend somewhere safe because I can buy everything I need to live in an area not affected by the storm.  Yes, my assumption is that the area is limited, and I have the means to escape it, but this is consistent with hurricanes, wildfires, volcanic eruptions, etc. 

Example -- my Texan in-laws got stuck on I-10 fleeing from Ike because they waited until everyone else left, and every convenience store on every exit in the immediate area was getting cleaned out.  They parked on the highway for 6 hours and wanted water, snacks, and something to do (I would have also had an EDC weapon & ammo and decent first-aid kit, just in case).  But even with something on that scale, traffic cleared in a few hours and they had a nice dinner and a good night's sleep in a motel.  Yes, you could plan for much worse, but I try to focus on the most likely and serious threats.  Nation-wide EMP and I'm just screwed, but I would be no matter what was in my backpack.

Outside my BOB I have a causal EDC bag that has some decent first-aid and other doo-dads.  I also have a "car kit" that isn't for evacuating but just normal life where we take family trips in cars and need auto-specific things, including more water and food.  Add all this up, and I can "live", albeit uncomfortably, for 24 hours without any outside support until I get somewhere comfy. 

I would appreciate any responsible mocking of gaping holes in my thought process.


Your common sense approach is refreshing...PLUS 1 karma...If you have family,I suggest a written plan with alternate locations and phones to call once out of danger etc.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: bob3 on June 08, 2016, 11:02:26 AM
Thanks.  Yes, that is the tricky part.  We're so dependent upon instant communication if "something happened" fast and the cell network was down, there needs to be an emergency plan in each person's mind (or glove compartment) that says who does what when.  I envision this type of scenario in my area as a chemical, ship, or distant nuclear plant explosion affecting a large downwind area, and then everyone getting on their phones once to discuss it and collapsing the network.  Texts might still go through, but if not, with spouses and kids all in four different places, everyone needs to know WTF to do after the initial shock wears off.  I tried to game through the algorithm on paper that lives in glove compartments and still prompts some mocking from the wife:  if I'm at work and you're at home, you do this and I'll do this;  If you're out, you do this then I'll do this; If you leave home to get kid leave not that says this; if the area's not safe AND we're not in communication go here, etc.  That gets complicated fast the more steps into it you get, so I had to cut it off and keep it simple. 

But getting back to the point of the original post, all this presumes 90 miles away life is normal, and while traffic may make getting there take 6 hours instead of 1.5, it's not time to break out the tent and start trapping rabbits along the I-95 shoulder.  Spare ammo, well, that's another story...  ;-)
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Cylon on June 08, 2016, 08:28:52 PM
I live in rural Australia and the only thing that would make me bug out would be a bushfire. Apart from that i'm staying put because all my shit is there.

However i do carry a "get home bag" in my car (that goes everywhere with me) that would make the 80km tab from work to home that little bit more civilised.  ;D
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on June 08, 2016, 08:48:32 PM


However i do carry a "get home bag" in my car (that goes everywhere with me) that would make the 80km tab from work to home that little bit more civilised.  ;D

I need to get a GHB together, and get it *in* the pickup, somewhere. Maybe a couple of slim bags, and put them under the seat
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Cylon on June 08, 2016, 11:32:03 PM
I need to get a GHB together, and get it *in* the pickup, somewhere. Maybe a couple of slim bags, and put them under the seat

My GHB used to be a stupid big rucksack, but I've now boiled it down to a little ex east German haversack that covers everything i would realistically need in the event of a non specific fuck up that doesn't involve zombies, emp's, super volcanoes, black helicopters, north Korean paratroopers or Indonesian special forces... ;D

Mainly food (mainstay bars), water (lots of water), the basic emergency tools/equipment and a first aid kit.

Weighs in at about 2 kilos, not including water.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: archer on June 09, 2016, 12:17:57 AM
who has TP in their BOB/GHB?
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on June 09, 2016, 02:51:15 AM
who has TP in their BOB/GHB?

You would likely have used TP first,before bugging out... :stop: :spit:
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: endurance on June 09, 2016, 04:20:34 AM
who has TP in their BOB/GHB?
My GHB is also my general car kit with all the things I wish I had over the years and gradually added, so TP, Deet, sunscreen, cork screw, bottle opener, plastic wine glasses, baseball cap, swim suit, baby wipes, headlamps, toothbrush and toothpaste, tweezers, Imodium, pseudofed, ibuprofen, earbuds with microphone, gloves, rain jacket, and a half-dozen other things that aren't necessarily related to survival and would probably get culled if I really did have to hike with it are in there.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on June 09, 2016, 08:40:10 AM
My GHB used to be a stupid big rucksack, but I've now boiled it down to a little ex east German haversack that covers everything i would realistically need in the event of a non specific fuck up that doesn't involve zombies, emp's, super volcanoes, black helicopters, north Korean paratroopers or Indonesian special forces... ;D

Mainly food (mainstay bars), water (lots of water), the basic emergency tools/equipment and a first aid kit.

Weighs in at about 2 kilos, not including water.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on June 09, 2016, 11:00:03 AM
My GHB is also my general car kit with all the things I wish I had over the years and gradually added, so TP, Deet, sunscreen, cork screw, bottle opener, plastic wine glasses, baseball cap, swim suit, baby wipes, headlamps, toothbrush and toothpaste, tweezers, Imodium, pseudofed, ibuprofen, earbuds with microphone, gloves, rain jacket, and a half-dozen other things that aren't necessarily related to survival and would probably get culled if I really did have to hike with it are in there.

There are still ALIENS to worry about...but I know they taste like chicken and there is no limit... 8)
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: r_w on June 09, 2016, 01:21:11 PM
You would be surprised how much you can get under the seat if you find the right sized bag.  I carried a full tool kit under one seat and a ghb under the other. 
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Knecht on June 09, 2016, 07:47:35 PM
There are still ALIENS to worry about...but I know they taste like chicken and there is no limit... 8)

Almost everything unusual tastes like chicken  :D
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on June 09, 2016, 08:09:37 PM
Rabbit used to taste like chicken... ;D
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Alan Georges on June 09, 2016, 08:26:46 PM
Aliens taste like chicken alright... if the chicken's been cooked down in Thai curry sauce.




Well, it's what I heard.  Er, read.  On the interwebz.  y'know, just sayn'
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: XtvvmEb on August 28, 2017, 02:48:34 PM
It is really remarkable to see so many people experiencing hardcore bugout situations in the Houston floods. Just saw a woman walking down the middle of the interstate, trying to escape on foot. Wow.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Chemsoldier on August 28, 2017, 03:12:50 PM
Just had some normiest of normal on the Facebooks mention evacuation and how to be ready for it.  I offered some common sense tips.  Crazy times...preppers and Colbert watching liberals...living together...mass hysteria.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Cedar on August 28, 2017, 05:16:12 PM
It is really remarkable to see so many people experiencing hardcore bugout situations in the Houston floods. Just saw a woman walking down the middle of the interstate, trying to escape on foot. Wow.

This is why I watch disasters when I can and file it away for future reference.  Haiti. Earthquakes. Fukushima. Homs. Euromaiden. What are people doing? What they prepped? What was their strategy?. How are they bugging out? What did they screw up on, whether from being a dolt, or just unluck of the draw? What did the natural disaster do? How did it actually? Could anyone have done something different?

Cedar
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: bcksknr on August 28, 2017, 07:19:50 PM
     I would think that many in Texas are being forced by the changing circumstances to "bug out". I guess if I was in that area and saw what was coming, I'd plan a little vacation inland and up hill. I wouldn't wait for the official order to evacuate, which never came. Although I now understand that some areas are be under mandatory evacuation now because of the need to open the floodgates on two decrepit reservoirs, built in the 1940's, that will drain through previously unflooded areas. Most of the evacuations now seem to be by boat. Lots of images of elderly or infirm folks who are in a world of hurt. I guess the younger, more able people have gotten out on their own, or at least aren't newsworthy.
     The Houston Convention Center is at near capacity, at least for occupancy. I haven't seen anything about how well they are supplied. That's about 5,000 people in shelter with another expected 30,000 yet to come (in the near term). They seem to have literally only the clothes on their backs.
     So what does this tell us about "bugging out"? First you must stay informed and aware of what's happening. If it looks like it could all go South, and even if you think you might be in the clear, you don't want to be at the end of line getting out of Dodge. Even if the authorities say to stay put (which I initially agreed with in this case) you could do worse than to pack a few things and take a drive to a safer are. I know they were trying to avoid a massive eight lane grid lock panic exit, with cars out of gas and overheating in 100 degree heat like the last mandatory evacuation attempt; leaving people trapped on the highway to face the full force of the storm. However, leaving a day or two earlier could have put you inland and uphill ahead of any traffic crush.
     If at all possible, you don't want to wind up in a public shelter. I'm sure everyone on this forum knows the horrors of masses of humanity, in shock, packed into overcrowded facilities with inadequate sanitation and supplies (think Katrina). Where do you go? Outside of the "danger zone" there will be county, city, state, and Federal campgrounds. There may even be commercial accommodations if you get out fast and far enough. If you don't have relatives in a "safe" area (maybe even if you do), you should have packed what you need to set up a basic campsite. Anticipate and stay ahead of the situation.
     You have all of the classic "Prepper" supplies, prepacked and ready to go, don't you. That's why you didn't have to face the panicked crowds cleaning out the grocery and hardware stores. If you don't have adequate supplies to meet your needs for weeks or months now, it's probably too late when the SHTF. You don't want to be the last in line at the supermarket, or all you will find is shoe polish and cat food (which isn't bad, actually). Being prepared to "bug out" is also being prepared to "bug in". You need to be flexible to meet changing conditions. You had better have a plan "B" or even "C" if it happens that you can't stay where you are, due to underestimating the situation. Estimate your safety on the side of caution. Anticipate.
     They say that now people, in some flooded areas are rushing the rescue boats. There was a brief, incomplete report of shooting (CNN). Once tens of thousands of folks realize that they will have little or nothing to return to, they have lost everything, they don't have insurance that covers this type of event, there could be no electricity or air conditioning (in the Deep South), they have no housing on the horizon, most of the familiar "comforts" of daily life are gone and will be a long time returning, etc. etc., things could turn really ugly. I for one would not want to be there when they do (hopefully I'm over estimating how much a Katrina like situation this could be, but the news says this is a much worse, 1000 year disaster).
     Bugging out to avoid panic and it's violence seems very reasonable to me. Many of those rescued who were interviewed said that they wished they had left. Hindsight is always 20/20; foresight is more valuable.   
     
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Cedar on August 28, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
I found out today, that my daughter's best friend, who moved with her family to Houston area last June, is back in Oregon this week. Her dad is a bit of a Prepper I am guessing from little talks we have had, so I am interested to see if he bugged his family back here ahead of the storm or what, since they got here a bit over a week ago.

Cedar
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: iam4liberty on August 28, 2017, 09:59:35 PM
who has TP in their BOB/GHB?

Weird to see this again as I just added compressed towels from amazon to my bag after seeing this video a few weeks ago:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dP9U7cuzpuY (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dP9U7cuzpuY)



Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on August 28, 2017, 11:44:55 PM
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Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Cedar on August 29, 2017, 07:27:52 AM
who has TP in their BOB/GHB?

I do. In a quart ziplock. 2-6 rolls on the truck, depending on if my 'job box' is in the back or not.

Reevaluating why SP and I would have to BO:
- high winds
- extreme cold weather
- recently did BO for extreme hot weather
- wildfire

Cedar
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on August 29, 2017, 07:35:12 AM
No TP in GHB yet, as we are still putting a bag together. We need to get that done, then match a bag for the truck.

Those TP pills iam4 posted look like the cats meow. Spendy, but don't take up much room.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: bcksknr on August 29, 2017, 08:06:13 AM
     Leaving or staying? One of the concerns that has not reared it's ugly head yet, is lack of working sanitation. We've all heard that "you can go three days without water, three weeks without food", but how many times a day do you need to "go to the bathroom"? I don't now if the toilets are still working at the Houston Convention Center or if the Houston sewage treatment infrastructure is above ground and still working, but I suspect there to be human waste disposal issues soon (think sewage flowing out of restrooms of the New Orleans Superdome during Katrina). Another reason to avoid large shelters if possible.
     The floodwaters themselves are by now a toxic soup. In a radio interview, a farm wife said that they could see their pigs, cattle and horses drowning or starving. Think dead animals, fuel, oil, chemicals, sewage and God knows what mixed in with the flood water. Got a cut or scrape exposed to that, and you could be looking at a serious infection. You want to be someplace where you aren't exposed to that and if you do get soaked, you want to shower off as soon as possible. You don't want to be in "Dodge" with a serious infection or disease (think cholera).
     On this mornings news, they said that the Convention Center, capacity 5,000, now has in excess of 9,000 people. They only have cots (as of now) for 5,000. More rescued are expected and someone stated that no one will be turned away. I guess food for 20,000 is on it's way. So why don't you want to be in a shelter?
     Think how fast a cold can spread through a crowded, stressed out, tightly packed population. Think of that group with nothing to do (no T.V., video games, books, etc.) except sit and worry. Think of children and adults with ADHd and no meds. Think of those addicted (drugs, cigarettes, booze) who can't get a fix and now have to go cold turkey in the worst of situations. How about those unfortunate to need daily medications and can't get them or who have lost medical records or don't even know what they are supposed to be on. Think of those who may be violent and will prey on others.
     I'd rather be camped out on a dry patch (or better yet with friends or relatives), far from the urban area (or whatever danger), with the supplies I had packed in my truck, until things had settled down a little because I saw what could be coming.
     If the idea of leaving home, admittedly a last ditch option, can't work because of a fast moving or unforeseen "disaster", the supplies needed to "bug out" can still be used to "bug in". It gives you more options. If you live in a flood plain or area that could even possibly flood, do you keep you supplies on a second floor? Most of us keep our stuff in the basement or garage. Is that the best place, given your location? One problem with standby generators in commercial, urban buildings is that either they are in a basement, or their fuel is stored where it can get infiltrated with flood water. Where you store supplies is as important as what you store.
      How you store things matters too. Loose racks of canned good can't be easily moved. Large containers of heavy items may not be easy to load up if you have to get out. Do you have "bug out" bags, graduated in size and manageable weight that you can grab and go? So many of those in Texas that are wading through the flooded streets seem to have, if anything, only a garbage bag loaded with stuff. Think how much better off they'd be, no matter where they ended up if each had a pack with food, a liter or two of water, the ability to heat water and a good filter, flashlights and batteries, basic first aid and all medications, including medical records (and copies of all personal documents, both paper and digital), dry clothing and sleeping gear for the climate and a shelter system of some sort and maybe a book or deck of cards; you know what I'm talking about.
     Bugging out is just another option to consider; whether it's the best for you depends on the situation. If you don't prepare yourself that option, then you better be darn sure that staying put, come "Hell or high water" is the only thing that you will be prepared to do.
 
     

     

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Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: mountainmoma on August 29, 2017, 08:11:14 AM
Purse sized packets of tissue will do if you dont have room for a full roll of TP, or just roll some off a roll, the amount you anticipate needing. This is for GHB -- get home bag or stuck in the car bag where space can be extremely limited and the bag is for a short time. BOB should have a full roll. I often have a roll in the truck or car, just in a ziplock in the trunk ( or behind the seat in the truck) This can end up being needed just when picnicing or camping or other normal activities that end up with no TP. Last goat show my dd attended a couple years ago, there was no TP in the ladies room at the fairgrounds, so it was good for manyof us that I was able to put a roll there.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on August 29, 2017, 08:19:04 AM
  Some situations may force one to leave,even with no planned place to go. I have a nearby BOL with everything I might need ,and then some....but I also have TWO ALTERNATE BUG TO places as one can't always go in the planned direction. I 'share' the 'bug to alternates' with the same people as I have room should they need to go away from their homes for a time ...or just need a place to eat and shower. I also have further out places that I have option to stay ,depending on circumstances.  The trick is to have a plan and be packed (my hospital bag with clothes,shoes,and laptop/Ham radio) will provide and is always ready as I don't get to plan...the bag is a comfort to know it is ready. Plan ahead to save panic.


For those who use TP (I use plastic) I found this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071CL3KZN/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I184T5AF058BGL&colid=21UV0BYV3WTZU
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Greekman on August 29, 2017, 09:52:39 AM
      How you store things matters too. Loose racks of canned good can't be easily moved. Large containers of heavy items may not be easy to load up if you have to get out. Do you have "bug out" bags, graduated in size and manageable weight that you can grab and go?

this is why I try to keep levels of my preps ready to go. And exercised with. i.e in my kitchen I have a plastic bin with pastry utensils. I will be using it to put non perishable food in it (cans mostly), I have practiced filling it, and i have taken a pic of it how it packs.
Same thing with clothes. i have a very large travel bag and I know what to put in it,

bcksknr, you are correct in your observations. we are getting carried away with this grab-and-go-now! 72hr BOB thing, while it is only applicable to house fires and earthquakes. The rest of the disaster and emergencies allow you more preparation time than a situation conscious person could use.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: The Professor on August 29, 2017, 11:48:20 AM
Weird to see this again as I just added compressed towels from amazon to my bag after seeing this video a few weeks ago:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dP9U7cuzpuY (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dP9U7cuzpuY)

I looked into these because of your post.

Has anyone, <cough>, actually used these or otherwise tested them out?

I think I'm going to add a batch to my next Amazon order. . .see if they're, um. . .worthy.

The Professor
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on August 29, 2017, 12:12:59 PM
...skid worthy?......

Better than sticks and leaves,but I always wear two pairs of socks......just in case.
Don't laugh,I know many who made it home with just one sock.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: bcksknr on August 30, 2017, 07:32:40 AM
     For personal hygiene, "wet wipes" work pretty well. they can serve as a temporary "shower" where water is scarce and they are antibacterial. They are a welcome item for troops in the Mideast. I have them in all of my kits. The problem is that once used, especially as a "butt wipe", they are discarded. You will run out eventually. If possible, you want to have durable and reuseable items in your kit.
     I also have a cloth wash and two "kitchen" sponges in each kit. The washcloth is for personal hygiene and can be rinsed out and used over and over (assuming there is water to do so). I have a white one so that when I wash it out, I will see that it is clean. The orange sponge is also for hygiene. The other, blue sponge is for washing utensils and containers. Needless to say, they are in separate Ziplocs and "never the twain shall meet". The ancient Romans shared sponges attached to sticks for "wipes" at their public toilets. Some poor guy got paid a few coins to rinse them out in a bucket, before reuse by the next customer.
     "Nuf said. More on topic, if you have been a Prepper or Survivalist for any length of time, you know that two of the most important skills are flexibility and adaptability. Stay or go; you must be prepared to do either, depending on the circumstances. To limit yourself to only one option is foolish. It's all about using options, that you have thought out and planned for, to stay safe. "If you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail", but what if you are faced with a screw or a bolt.
     You don't have to be overwhelmed with different scenarios; pick the most likely to affect you and prep for that. We don't get hurricanes, but a blizzard with cold and possible power outages is definitely possible. So I have a wood stove, but not a liferaft (although I do have a fishing boat). There are many times when preps will "overlap" for a variety of events. If you prep for one disaster, those items may also serve for another.
     My home is my refuge. It has everything I need for an extended period of time. I and my family will stay there, no matter what, until it becomes unsafe to do so and it is obvious that we must go somewhere else. The bug out supplies that we have are meant to give us a scaled down version of the safety and comfort that our home once did. A person who doesn't plan for evacuation will soon become a suffering refugee. As we have seen all to often, outside agencies become quickly overwhelmed during a disaster and it's up to the individual to plan for the safety of themselves and their loved ones.

     
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: r_w on September 03, 2017, 03:31:34 PM
I looked into these because of your post.

Has anyone, <cough>, actually used these or otherwise tested them out?

I think I'm going to add a batch to my next Amazon order. . .see if they're, um. . .worthy.

The Professor

I don't remember if I bought them or they were thrown in as a freebie on an order, but I have them.  They are tougher than normal paper towels, more like those industrial disposable towels.  I have them in a small pill bottle, primarily for sponge baths.  TP would be second use for the same towel. 

I still carry regular TP.  And a stack of napkins from a fast food joint. 
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on September 03, 2017, 04:01:03 PM
 

For those who use TP (I use plastic) I found this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071CL3KZN/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I184T5AF058BGL&colid=21UV0BYV3WTZU

Thanks. I added those to my want list, along with the tp pills
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on September 03, 2017, 06:44:15 PM
  I use some COTTONELLE FRESH CARE (baby wipes) for personal hygiene at times as they are bio degradable and smell pretty good too.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on September 03, 2017, 10:31:38 PM
Not cottonelle, but we do to. Kept them in the truck when I drove 30 states pulling a reefer. Handy to wash your face of a morning if you weren't at a rest area or truck stop.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: iam4liberty on September 03, 2017, 11:44:10 PM
I used to carry antiseptic wipes for wounds and petroleum jelly on cotton for firestarters.  But now i just carry the compressed towels and a small bottle of alcohol.  Serves those purposes in addituon to others like wiping oil on guns. They are wringable and fairly strong so can be used for sponge bath and dish cleaning. As a substitute for TP i found it best not to soak in water.  Rather put on drops of water around edge untill it is just moist enough to unroll.  In other words it is actually fairly dry to touch,  Then tear in half and fold each. The fold is because it has small holes.  You end up with two good size pieces. 

There is a lot to be said for a small flask of alchohol, an achohol stove (even one from aluminum can), an alchohol match (so call permanent match), and these towels.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Greekman on September 03, 2017, 11:44:59 PM
Quote
Not cottonelle, but we do to. Kept them in the truck when I drove 30 states pulling a reefer. Handy to wash your face of a morning if you weren't at a rest area or truck stop

I see that the online dictionaries have not caught up with the current "reefer" meaning/use  :D
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on September 04, 2017, 12:54:49 AM
I see that the online dictionaries have not caught up with the current "reefer" meaning/use  :D

Refrigerated (reefer) semi trailer. We hauled mostly frozen food
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: mountainmoma on September 04, 2017, 10:23:04 AM
Refrigerated (reefer) semi trailer. We hauled mostly frozen food

That word doesnt mean that in california....
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on September 04, 2017, 12:29:25 PM
That word doesnt mean that in california....

We still drink adult beverages and listen to the band in a JOINT here in Louisiana too...California smokes them.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on September 04, 2017, 12:53:03 PM
We still drink adult beverages and listen to the band in a JOINT here in Louisiana too...California smokes them.


 :rofl: Same here Carl. Beer joint..........


Mountain Momma, what iz it in Cali? Or should I be asking?  :o
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: mountainmoma on September 04, 2017, 02:01:54 PM

 :rofl: Same here Carl. Beer joint..........


Mountain Momma, what iz it in Cali? Or should I be asking?  :o

Both Reefer and Joint mean a rolled marijuana "blunt" to the old folks
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on September 04, 2017, 02:21:13 PM
Copy. Ck. And that's now how much I know about marijuana and such.  ???
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on September 04, 2017, 02:58:49 PM
  You just lost any coolness points you had with that.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on September 04, 2017, 03:08:13 PM
  You just lost any coolness points you had with that.

 :facepalm:  :censored:  :facepalm:
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on September 04, 2017, 03:13:21 PM
  We will get over it as I look at a #10 can to see how it can be a good draft stove. The cans really beg for a project as the empties pile up.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on September 04, 2017, 03:19:11 PM
  We will get over it as I look at a #10 can to see how it can be a good draft stove. The cans really beg for a project as the empties pile up.

I've got a bazillion coffee cans I've saved over the years. Lots of empties stashed.
Have bolts, screws, clamps etc in the ones I use.


Hard to find a metal can in about anything anymore.
I've got lots of the #10's in the storeroom


I've been cruising my walmart lists. Lots of augason farm stuff in there. Prices are way up.  :(
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on September 04, 2017, 03:27:08 PM
I've got a bazillion coffee cans I've saved over the years. Lots of empties stashed.
Have bolts, screws, clamps etc in the ones I use.


Hard to find a metal can in about anything anymore.
I've got lots of the #10's in the storeroom


I've been cruising my walmart lists. Lots of augason farm stuff in there. Prices are way up.  :(

I watch for sale prices from the different places I order from so I often get vegetables and soups for under $10 for each #10 can to fill in and now stock rotation has reached the point where I do not need to buy much as the members do not want to keep their dated stock so I get rid of it for them.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on September 04, 2017, 03:43:51 PM
Sounds good. I've still got some holes to fill to attain my 2 year supply.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: r_w on September 23, 2017, 01:31:49 PM
My issue with any of the wet wipes isn't the wipes, but the packaging.  I have yet to find some that don't dry out.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on September 23, 2017, 01:50:21 PM
  I would think that a localized event like fire,chemical spill,or a plane crash ,as I am in the glide path of an Air Force Base, would be reason to get out and because I have a place to go within a few miles that is totally secure and stocked for most any event. But a large scale event would cause an eventual relocation as my BOL has everything I might need and all the comforts of home. Shelter in place during any non-direct threat and relocate after the locals panic while collecting as much detail  of the threat as I can..Without a place to go to would deter just going to the woods as all you would find there is a bunch of panicked ,desperate ,dangerous people.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Greekman on September 23, 2017, 04:07:20 PM
My issue with any of the wet wipes isn't the wipes, but the packaging.  I have yet to find some that don't dry out.

so what? if they are not the alcohol containing ones, you can always re-moist them.
BTW....a reason for drying is a non-sticky flap. this is because during use, liquid is squashed out and transfers on the sticky flap.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on September 23, 2017, 04:16:51 PM
  I'm gonna' try to keep my flap dry.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Stwood on September 23, 2017, 07:54:14 PM
  I'm gonna' try to keep my flap dry.

That's almost impossible Carl, especially the rear one.  :(
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: FreeLancer on September 24, 2017, 12:50:21 AM
My issue with any of the wet wipes isn't the wipes, but the packaging.  I have yet to find some that don't dry out.

I get Dude Wipes from Amazon Subscribe and Save. They’re individually Mylar wrapped and I’ve never had one dry out, even after months in the bottom of a pack.  Cottonelle quit making individual Mylar packaging, so I looked around and found these.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on September 24, 2017, 05:25:08 AM
That's almost impossible Carl, especially the rear one.  :(

Well,remember that a surgeon mover my rear flap to the front so I can see when it gets wet.
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on September 24, 2017, 05:29:23 AM
I get Dude Wipes from Amazon Subscribe and Save. They’re individually Mylar wrapped and I’ve never had one dry out, even after months in the bottom of a pack.  Cottonelle quit making individual Mylar packaging, so I looked around and found these.

I thought the name DUDE WIPES was a joke...these look like a great 'cleanup' option for a dude on the run...Thanks FLancer.

https://www.amazon.com/Flushable-Unscented-Vitamin-Biodegradable-Individually/dp/B01BGE0RUG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1506252350&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=dude+wipes+individually+wrapped&psc=1
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: TheLastBoyscout on September 25, 2017, 05:24:36 AM
Obviously we live in our homes as a fixed and desired shelter and are area to live it.  No one wants to just pick up and leave but, at times it is not safe to be there.  An example is if there was flooding in your area and your home was being filled with water.  What about a wild fire that was encroaching on your home.  These are just two reasons that you might want to bug out.   
Title: Re: why would you need to "bug out?"
Post by: Carl on September 25, 2017, 07:26:26 AM
  The most frequent need to bug out would be for localized events ...except for hurricanes,earthquakes,major flood,winter storm...wow Nature can be a real beast.