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Title: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on May 28, 2016, 11:17:03 PM
So if you are like me; you do a lot of resurch and internet study on your carry ammo. Reviews, Balistic Gel Test, Barrel Length, Velocity Ect...

Then you test it out yourself, Reliability, Controlability, Does it shoot point of aim, point of inpact.

After all it is an important decision, I mean you trust your life to it.

So what do you carry???

How & Why did you Choose it???


Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Carl on May 29, 2016, 07:21:30 AM
In summer I carry Aguila 60 grain 22 long rifle in a Walther P22 .
In winter ,cooler times,I carry 125 grain 357 loaded to 1200 plus FPS in my snub Ruger.


Both hit like sledge hammers ,I have had successful encounters with both as proper placement trumps power.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: machinisttx on May 29, 2016, 12:43:06 PM
125 grain remington SJHP .357 mag in a Ruger snubbie...or a S&W k frame snubby.  FMJ in a .380. Winchester Ranger hp in .45 acp.

Nobody around here carries gold dots or I'd be loading them in the .45.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: fnfalguy on May 29, 2016, 03:00:22 PM
9mm 124 gr +p gold dot, 1200 fps out of my carry.  Plenty of real life data on shootings with it.  Gel tests are a start, but if I can see real life shooting data, that's ideal.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Chemsoldier on May 29, 2016, 04:20:48 PM
124 grain 9mm +p Gold Dot hollow points

I have fired for accuracy off sandbags and about 100 rounds of it for reliability  (FMJs are   obviously range fodder due to cheaper cost).

I have never tried gel testing or anything.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: machinisttx on May 29, 2016, 08:15:27 PM
124 grain 9mm +p Gold Dot hollow points

I have fired for accuracy off sandbags and about 100 rounds of it for reliability  (FMJs are   obviously range fodder due to cheaper cost).

I have never tried gel testing or anything.

Use milk jugs full of water. According to Dr. Fackler, it's about a 2:1 ratio for penetration...about twice as much penetration in water.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on May 29, 2016, 08:45:34 PM
Nice Guys!
Seems like Gold Dots are a favorite.
They are an old favorite of mine also cerried them for years on and off duty.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Marinesg1012 on May 29, 2016, 09:25:44 PM
230 grain XTP's carried in a XDs
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on May 30, 2016, 12:00:16 AM

So in 9mm for years I carried Federal 9BPLE its a 115gr +P+
I carried that for years on and off duty and still have quite a bit of it. It has decades of street cred.
I'm very blessed back when the PD was buying my ammo, I fired a lot of this ammo. One week I was given 1000 rounds of it for training, so I'm confident in saying, It's good ammo.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=W9iiaXoRaRY#t=192

Draw Backs It's Hot!!! and since it's +P+ 9mm reloading data will not list a load as hot,  you can't practice with a similar load, unless you want to practice with the hollow points.

 Now I carry the Winchester Train and Defend 147gr 9mm.

Why did I choose it.
1. It's accurate, Match accurate!
2. Reliable I'm close to or over 1000 rounds with Zero Malfunctions.
3. Good balistic reports.
4. It's affordable Winchester makes the same load one training one defence. So you can practice a ballisticly Identical Load same recoil impule, same POA, POI, same profile so you know if your gun will eat it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwsVe1fxXLE&feature=player_detailpage#t=283
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: machinisttx on May 30, 2016, 08:00:38 PM
Have a look at some of the loads the IDPA guys shoot in 9mm to make "major". Probably hotter than +p+(which there is no SAAMI spec for, btw).
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on June 01, 2016, 11:11:19 PM
In my snub nose for years I carried Speer Gold dot 135 grain.

But I have found a load I like better its Barnes Tac-XPD 125 grain .357 mag
It advertises 1200 Fps out of a 2 inch barrel!!

From the shooting I have decided me it's super accurate, reliable and shoots POI POA with my J Frame!




PS
I was not sold on solid copper bullets at first but after my wife used Barnes Triple Shocks successfully to take several deer with a .223 no less and hearing similar things from others I let go of my hesitation.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: DrJohn on June 02, 2016, 07:27:00 AM
Remington HD 180gr  BJHP .40 S&W.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: endurance on June 02, 2016, 08:26:22 AM
I carry gold dot because it's well tested and hot enough to get good expansion, but not so hot that I can't fire it through my Shield.

I wish more manufacturers would label things in a way that you knew if they worked well in shorter barrels vs longer barrels. My goal is to have something that's over 1100fps at Impact since below that threshold many rounds don't expand well. But without doing a lot of personal testing, it's hard to know just which rounds will do that out the end of a 3-ish inch barrel.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Carl on June 02, 2016, 09:14:22 AM
I carry gold dot because it's well tested and hot enough to get good expansion, but not so hot that I can't fire it through my Shield.

I wish more manufacturers would label things in a way that you knew if they worked well in shorter barrels vs longer barrels. My goal is to have something that's over 1100fps at Impact since below that threshold many rounds don't expand well. But without doing a lot of personal testing, it's hard to know just which rounds will do that out the end of a 3-ish inch barrel.

It is a mistake most people make ...expecting and or relying on handgun bullet expansion.
It is better to expect less over penetration of target and non-target contact and less ricochet potential..
Handgun knockdown is really only an effect of movies and also cannot be depended on.

I have seen a 'target' take TWO loads of "00" buck at such close range that the wads were sticking in him ,
and yet he continued the confrontation ( He lived)

I 'took' a 45 ACP to the upper leg and yet was able to deliver the message to TWO assailants without notice of my injury,
this did leave me sore for a few days and didn't hurt my tough guy rep as a truck driver.

I have learned to only trust a bullets effect on the central nervous system as a reliable 'last word' in a confrontation.
And this is why I am 'well armed' with as tiny a weapon as a Walther P22 or TPH...though I prefer a carbine.

People used to be soft targets ,but I understand that this is not always the case these day....one should carry the most power that he can shoot well and if you train well,and often,you will revert to training in stressful confrontations.

I still think I win all of the confrontations that I avoid..

I have tried to live a peaceful life,but sometimes life comes at you.
NO,I am not a LEO,though I have works closely with many of them for many years.

Get a 45 ACP or 44 special and you will never have to apologise for a non-expanding bullet.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: machinisttx on June 02, 2016, 08:24:32 PM
I carry gold dot because it's well tested and hot enough to get good expansion, but not so hot that I can't fire it through my Shield.

I wish more manufacturers would label things in a way that you knew if they worked well in shorter barrels vs longer barrels. My goal is to have something that's over 1100fps at Impact since below that threshold many rounds don't expand well. But without doing a lot of personal testing, it's hard to know just which rounds will do that out the end of a 3-ish inch barrel.

Been a while since I looked, but the bullet manufacturers used to list minimum impact velocity for expansion in load data. Sierra bullet company is usually pretty good about answering questions, even about other company's bullets.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on June 08, 2016, 09:45:20 PM
Anybody out there carry anything more unique like buffalo bore, double tap, civil defense?
I always see the stuff advertised but I don,t know anyone who carries it?
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Carl on June 09, 2016, 02:56:05 AM
Anybody out there carry anything more unique like buffalo bore, double tap, civil defense?
I always see the stuff advertised but I don,t know anyone who carries it?

I have a large supply of KTW ,metal piercing 357 magnum ammo in an 8 shot Taurus revolver.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: endurance on June 09, 2016, 04:29:04 AM
Anybody out there carry anything more unique like buffalo bore, double tap, civil defense?
I always see the stuff advertised but I don,t know anyone who carries it?
I used to carry some Israeli Improved Metal Jacketed rounds toward the bottom of my magazines as a last resort if normal Hydroshock rounds I was carrying failed to have an effect. I'm not sure they were al that good other than being an expensive talisman.

The challenge with some of the unusual highly touted rounds is that they're so expensive you don't want to shoot them. For me, I need to put a few magazines a year through my gun of my carry ammo just to know what it recoils like and be assured it feeds well.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Chemsoldier on June 09, 2016, 12:33:03 PM
I have a large supply of KTW ,metal piercing 357 magnum ammo in an 8 shot Taurus revolver.
That should be a good robot load.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Carl on June 09, 2016, 02:21:34 PM
That should be a good robot load.

1/4 inch decking will get holed...and so will autos , I also have a case or two of 45 ACP tracer rounds...but of little tactical use.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Alan Georges on June 09, 2016, 05:47:16 PM
That should be a good robot load.
Bender is not amused (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pRnQYS0S5c).

Smartassary aside, I use a little .380 for daily carry, so I searched youtube and found this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtPHYwcDts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtPHYwcDts)
Bulk Ammo carries the Hornady Custom XTP's (one of the top five in the gel test video) and I was placing an order anyway, so that what I've gone with.

Still need to shoot up what's left of my former carry loads, and order some more XTP.  Hurricane season is here.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: machinisttx on June 09, 2016, 09:47:25 PM
I carry fmj in my .380. When I last looked at gel test data, none of the self defense oriented ammo had truly reliable expansion from barrels as short as my P3AT. Most handgun ammo is tested from 4" barrels.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on June 09, 2016, 09:57:50 PM
Machininsttx
You mak check ammo quest on you tube he does a whole series on .380 from a abort barrel. Some of the new loads did pretty good. .380 has come a long way in a short time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtPHYwcDts
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Carl on June 10, 2016, 02:35:42 AM
Bender is not amused (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pRnQYS0S5c).


Still need to shoot up what's left of my former carry loads, and order some more XTP.  Hurricane season is here.

What ammo will stop a hurricane????
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Alan Georges on June 10, 2016, 06:19:05 AM
What ammo will stop a hurricane????
Daily bag limit 1, season limit 3. ;)
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: machinisttx on June 11, 2016, 03:20:39 PM
Machininsttx
You mak check ammo quest on you tube he does a whole series on .380 from a abort barrel. Some of the new loads did pretty good. .380 has come a long way in a short time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtPHYwcDts

I'll check it out sometime. Need to dig out my water box and save up some more milk and tea jugs to do my own testing.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on June 18, 2016, 10:20:40 PM
I've been seeing this new Browning Ammo show up at the local gun stores. It looks like good ammo. They are making target and defense (X Point ) ammo. Anyone use it or even see any Gel tests on it?

http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/ba1.jpg
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on August 14, 2016, 09:31:46 PM
Follow up on the Browning ammo 147 grain 9mm. I can't speak to its terminal ballistics but quality wise it's great. $13 a box and very good quality. Haven't had any problems with it.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: DrJohn on August 15, 2016, 07:18:54 AM
Anyone tried out G2 Research R.I.P?

http://g2rammo.com/hand-guns/r-i-p/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmy7Vp7aNHw
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: simpleguy on August 15, 2016, 08:07:14 AM
It's been a while since I've posted, but here you go.
1.  IMHO - The minutiae matters less than getting a hit in a self defense situation.
2.  I want to use ammo along the lines of what law enforcement uses.  They will use it for the same reasons I will.  a.) They want it to work with all kinds of media (glass, clothing, etc.)  b.) They don't want over penetration.  Hitting something and going through it is not a good thing.  You want a hit to stop in it's intended target.
3.  I buy bulk, 1-3k rounds at a time, yes even self defense ammo.  The only place I've been able to reliably get that kind of bulk at decent prices is by purchasing from sgammo.com, however I'll check ammoseek.com as well.
4.  Once I've got an round I like, I see how it performs in comparison to it's peers........so I double check http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

YMMV & everyone has an opinion, but after years and years of splitting hairs on the best this and that, I'm pretty much becoming a middle of the road guy......I've got solid equipment, solid ammo and I have not been in a self defense situation yet, and God willing I never will.

Thanks,
Scotty
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: CR Williams on August 15, 2016, 05:21:03 PM
I still have some 135gr bonded +P that Federal used to make. I am likely to replace that as it goes away (I don't cycle it out fast but I do cycle it out) with Critical Duty +P and standard.

I like the somewhat heavier rounds but am not fond of the 147gr subsonic as others are. I do want at least a good possibility of barrier penetration. That's about it for reasoning.

If not this I would go with a 124gr Ranger T or Gold Dot depending on what was most available.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Enterprise65 on August 17, 2016, 08:58:25 PM
10mm 180gr Rainier HP projectiles loaded just shy of max load with CFE Pistol powder in a Glock G40 MOS in an IWB holster. Just in case I'm ever attacked by Sasquatch riding a grizzly bear.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: trekker111 on August 19, 2016, 02:41:17 AM
40 s&w 180gr hornady custom xtp hollow point, because that's what they issue me, so I also use it in my back-up for liability and court purposes. But it is good ammo.

If I am consulted on the next purchase, I would go for hornady critical duty.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on August 27, 2016, 10:39:39 PM
In response to simple guys post. You make good points. But don't overlook the fact that most police officers use full duty siz pistols. Those rounds were designed for that the same rounds may or may not expand in a compact or subcompact handgun.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: bdhutier on August 28, 2016, 11:51:47 PM
Federal Hydra-Shok in a Gen4 G22.

PD gun, PD ammo.  I trust it on duty, why not off?
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Carl on August 29, 2016, 03:39:43 AM
The 240 grain 44 special at 950 FPS does the job without the need for expansion as few handgun bullets ever expand in the real world.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on September 01, 2016, 09:25:42 PM
I agree I think .44 special is very underrated. Great Round. I'd love to see it make a resurgence like 380 has done in the past decade.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on September 03, 2016, 10:58:47 PM
So found a new great ammo to tell you guys about Winchester Train and Defend that I mentioned in an earlier post for 9mm is great. After some recent shooting I found that Winchester Train and Defend .45 ACP is also great runs smooth very accurate. The practice rounds are affordable and a ballistic match to the defensive rounds.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on September 25, 2016, 10:07:15 PM
You guys may like this.

It's a very comprehensive ballistics test

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: David in MN on September 26, 2016, 08:06:22 AM
It appears that along with being a gunslut I'm a bit of an ammoslut as well. After digging through a few boxes of defensive ammo, I have everything from Golden Saber, Hyrda Shok, Hornady hollow points and rubber tips, even Winchester hollow points.

They all kinda work just fine I guess. I only get picky with the J frame which gets Speer 135 (made for short barrel) and the 1911 which seems to be picky with hollow points which are too wide (it's a Kimber Goldmatch so it's a little tight).

I suppose that one load might be 3% more effective at expanding or 1 MOA closer to my sights but my gut tells me we're into diminishing returns. I'm not hating on anyone with the passion to get into the gritty details but that's not me.

There is one glittering exception. A full size .357 is (in my mind) one of the few handguns that can be adapted to different uses via ammo changes. I can go from a 125 grain personal defense to a heavier 180 grain hunting load depending on where I am. One of many reasons I love revolvers.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on September 26, 2016, 05:09:39 PM
Good points.

Though I think it should be paid attention to and looked at as far as your gun, reliability, barrel length ect..
If you look at the tests some of those loads didn't expand at all!!!
They were basically FMJs
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Carl on September 26, 2016, 05:16:05 PM
That is why big handgun bullets RULE,no expansion needed and the power (and weight) to need not say you are sorry. :deadhorse:
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: David in MN on September 26, 2016, 05:30:43 PM
Good points.

Though I think it should be paid attention to and looked at as far as your gun, reliability, barrel length ect..
If you look at the tests some of those loads didn't expand at all!!!
They were basically FMJs

I don't put that much faith in hollow points to begin with. I like "defensive" ammo because it is (generally) loaded to tighter specs but where I live... after the round passes through a winter jacket, 2 sweatshirts, and a pair of Carhartt overalls it's basically a FMJ anyway. When I'm in the frigid time I actually use heavy hunting .357 ammo for this very reason. Something that goes thud just makes more sense. Wait...

That is why big handgun bullets RULE,no expansion needed and the power (and weight) to need not say you are sorry. :deadhorse:

Couldn't have said it better.

This is also the reason the HD shotgun gets #4 buck all summer and 00 all winter.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Marinesg1012 on September 26, 2016, 09:49:58 PM
The new Hornady XTP's have the flex tip in them to ensure expansion even through clothing and other things, in the last class I was at we shot one through a windshield to show how bullet strikes are different then where you aim through glass. The bullet did shed its jacket but the rest of it held up and expanded i found it lodged in the 6x6 we used as the target backer.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on September 28, 2016, 10:54:10 PM
Those are some very valid points for sure.

I'm not criticizing the FBI test protocols. They have defiantly pushed the defensive ammo to be batter and better levels in the past few years.

With that said I don't know many people that walk around with 4 layers of blue jean denim. I would love to see some test with a carheart jacket and long johns or something  like a very heavy leather.

PS #4 buck is great round and under appreciated in my opinion.




Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on October 20, 2016, 09:11:52 PM
So when I was a Law enforcement officer after going through the the .40 .45 stage I finally settled on the 9mm we / I used a lot of federal 9BPLE +p+
Great ammo but I didn't carry it for my CCW because it has a short barrel and I was not sure how it would do until now.

But found some shorter barrel tests that show it doing well. Great ammo very good quality been used by several major law enforcement agency's for years. I know personally from talking to federal it's rated to 40,000 psi it is +p+ so consult manual

https://youtu.be/W9iiaXoRaRY

https://youtu.be/q1Rx_Mf2PTY

Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Nate on October 27, 2016, 05:40:44 AM
Freedom munitions 380 fmj staggered with their jhp in my LCP.  In my 357 LCR its the old Remington FBI load.  Found a box a few years ago at a pawn shop.  When in dangerous critter country the LCR gets Federal 357 158 grain jsp. STINGERS live in my 22LR NAA mini.

I read up a lot and every thing came down to cost, reliability and ease of finding ammo.  I got into ccw in the middle of the great ammo shortage.  I bought and tried the best available.  I pretty much stuck with what i got.  Wife carries these too so choosing ammo she can hit with was also a factor.  Found out She is a better pistol shot than me.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Carl on October 27, 2016, 06:04:08 AM
Freedom munitions 380 fmj staggered with their jhp in my LCP.  In my 357 LCR its the old Remington FBI load.  Found a box a few years ago at a pawn shop.  When in dangerous critter country the LCR gets Federal 357 158 grain jsp. STINGERS live in my 22LR NAA mini.

I read up a lot and every thing came down to cost, reliability and ease of finding ammo.  I got into ccw in the middle of the great ammo shortage.  I bought and tried the best available.  I pretty much stuck with what i got.  Wife carries these too so choosing ammo she can hit with was also a factor.  Found out She is a better pistol shot than me.

You might find the AGUILA SSS 60 grain 22 rounds are a bit more potent in the NAA mini gun .
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Nate on October 27, 2016, 06:08:36 AM
Carl,

I will look in to those.  Thanks!
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Carl on October 27, 2016, 06:23:25 AM
They are a 60 grain bullet at about 850 feet per sec from the short barrel of my Walther TPH and have penetration for 'large game'.

I used to carry an NAA mini on a chain around my neck with a brass cleaning brush in the barrel holding it firmly in place,
some may call it not wise with a loaded gun pointed at my head...but I left 1 chamber empty and the brush kept from cocking the
hammer and firing till the mini was pulled from it's hiding place.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on October 29, 2016, 09:51:53 PM
Some good points the only hole in the logic is defense ammo along the lines of what the police use is

designed for a full size duty pistol. If you are carrying a smaller, shorter barreled pistol then you are loosing

velocity. Sometimes those "duty rounds" will expand in a short barrel often times they don't.

Also buying defense ammo in bulk is a great idea for a lot of reasons.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on December 21, 2016, 10:33:14 PM
Tried a new carry load today.
Purchased and tested Barnes Tac- XPD 9mm 115 + p Solid Copper

They did very well in the lucky gunner ammo tests with .70 inches of expansion in clothed gelatin. So I thought that I would give then a try.
Very high quality ammo 100% reliable out of Glock 26
For a +p round recoil did not feel like +p

After testing them side by side I decided to stay with my 147 gr Winchester train and defend. I love this round very accurate good recoil and shoot well in all my defensive guns.

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: d3nni5 on December 22, 2016, 06:50:03 AM


I've been using the Liberty Civil Defense in my G26.   According to that Lucky Gunner site, it is about the worst option I could pick.   I've heard really good things about the ammo too.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: 9mmMaster on December 22, 2016, 04:10:03 PM
Yes the new hot ammo always promises big returns but rarely delivers. Liberty defense, RIP, Ect...
You could get another good trusted HP. Federal HST or Speer Gold Dot or my fav Winchester TD 147s
And keep those Liberty Defence for your spare Glock 17 mag because they won't weigh much. 17 rounds of 147s can add up. My spare mag is the Ruger ARX in a Glock 19 mag.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: CagedFeral on February 16, 2017, 04:51:58 AM
9mm hollow points from Hornady.
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: Carl on February 16, 2017, 05:05:46 AM
Today,my carry ammo is 5.7 X 28 MM for my FN Five Seven MK2
Title: Re: What Is Your Carry Ammo and Why?
Post by: sukivel on February 19, 2017, 10:54:31 AM
9mm hollow points from Hornady.

+1