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Title: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on October 06, 2019, 05:20:56 PM
Scenario: the results of the next Presidential election are close, and the apparently-losing side refuses to concede, claiming that fraud and/or hacking caused a false outcome.  Extremists on both sides (plus angry people who don't fit on the left-right political spectrum) start resorting to violence.  They are joined by normally-nonviolent people who believe the other side is attempting a coup.

Can we, as individuals, do any prepping for this possibility?

(This is a touchy subject, and I hope we can stick to the prepping topic, and not get into the politics of which side is right or wrong.  I'd especially like to hear from any of our non-US members who have lived through violent elections in other countries.)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: archer on October 06, 2019, 08:26:15 PM
-increase your food storage
-store more gasoline/propane/etc for preparing food/generators/etc
-increase water storage..
-etc
normal preps i expect...
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Knecht on October 07, 2019, 08:25:24 AM
Sorry, can't advice, our elections don't go that rough. Maybe next time they will.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: DDJ on October 07, 2019, 10:47:00 AM
Based on current trend I see in protests
+1 on fuel
+1 increased food preps

I would also add plan on travel disruptions.  Highways bucked delay deliveries. 
Up your get home bag for a travel disruption add stuff to stay at work for an extra day.
     Identify additional alternative routes to and from home and work
Be more diligent about having fuel in the car (specifically if you have to take alternative routs or get stuck behind a protest.
Be more mindful of your Meds if you are on them think of no UPS for a week.

I would think that any sort of civil unrest would be in and around city and state buildings or complexes. the majority of us would not see much close to home.  In your story line I think planning for the roads to be shutdown will be the best propping you can do.  There is the possibilities that a real fighting between groups could start and at that point all bets are off as to how to prepare.  The good news is we have gotten to the point everyone hates everyone not like them so those will not be organized for some time.  With any luck by the time that organization comes about everyone will see what Presidential candidates never let on they know "They can not do anything without the other side wanting it as well" and it will all die down.

That is my 2cents it and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 07, 2019, 11:30:39 AM
I know the local and state heads of the three political parties here.  They are all level headed and will quell any such things here.  But for elections it definitely would be prudent to avoid any of the cities where political violence is now tolerated.  A planned bug out vacation may not be a bad idea if you live in such areas.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: rustyknife on October 07, 2019, 05:59:59 PM
Try not to be traveling during the elections, but, if you must prepare three possible routes. Also, prepare your vehicle for possible long term delays. I was stuck on a mountain for 9 hrs waiting in traffic for the police to clear a bad accident, snow and ice, and was surprised how many people did not have any water or munchies. I also took a smoke tarp off my flatbed truck, dug into a snow bank, created a place for women and children to relieve themselves. The backed up traffic was about 10-12 miles and I was about in the middle. Have a cell phone charger with you, extra blankets and flash lights. Many ran out of fuel thinking they could refuel in the next town at the bottom of the mountain.  If your staying home have enough food and meds to go a week or so. Being in a store or mall with lots of other people may not be a good idea. 
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on October 08, 2019, 08:49:38 AM
If you happen to be out and about then, make sure your GHB is with you and full.


Good thread  ;)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: FreeLancer on October 08, 2019, 06:23:06 PM
It's hard to anticipate the potential ramifications of a widespread breakdown in national trust.  The lack of faith in the fair transfer of power poses an existential threat to the republic and a critical mass of the populace could take us down dark paths, where the perception of desperate times produces a will for desperate measures.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a direct threat of violence.  With sufficient motivation, critical infrastructure serving large swaths of the country can be efficiently sabotaged within a single state or municipality, even more so with that local government's cooperation.  Think ports, bottlenecks at bridges or mountain passes, communications, financial services, and power/fuel lines.  Disruptions in these areas amounts to an economic siege to attempt to force compliance from the rest of the nation.  It's worth considering what resources are at risk of being cut off by other states in protracted conflict and either stock up or find alternatives.  We've seen this before when fuel producing nations shut off the pipelines to consuming nations in the middle of winter.  As hard as it may be to fathom, we have to consider the prospect that states and large cities could leverage their resources and economies in order to sway a national outcome.

A big unknown is the potential for use of force by the federal government (regardless of which party controls it) against states that go down this path, as well the compliance by individual members of federal agencies in carrying out orders.  So, too, state and local governments' ability and will to support or suppress their own populations with national guard, police, or militia forces. 

Also, in this type of scenario, controlling the flow of information used to influence public sentiment will be paramount.  Foreign actors have already mounted cyber and psychological operations to influence the electoral process, so the motivation to do a better job in the future raises the temptation of over-correcting and throttling the internet and social media in ways that seriously impact the economy, to say nothing of free speech.  With so much of our gross national product dependent on the internet, the economy could take a huge hit.  How much economic pain the respective sides are willing to absorb in defense of their political beliefs is unknown. 

It's tempting to book an extended international vacation until things shake out but, with a US consumed by interregnal strife, the rest of the world may not be much better.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on October 08, 2019, 08:31:31 PM
...Also, in this type of scenario, controlling the flow of information used to influence public sentiment will be paramount.  Foreign actors have already mounted cyber and psychological operations to influence the electoral process, so the motivation to do a better job in the future raises the temptation of over-correcting and throttling the internet and social media in ways that seriously impact the economy, to say nothing of free speech. ...

This issue has been on my mind.  It's become standard operating procedure in multiple countries to shut off telecommunications during periods of social unrest.  I'm not sure exactly what form that might take in the US, since we're so Internet-dependent, but merely shutting down Facebook, plus its Instagram and WhatsApp services, would have a huge impact on communications but a fairly small impact on commerce.  People would try to switch to alternatives, but the alternatives would probably crash under the unexpected load.

Ideally we'd all have several backup plans for staying in touch with friends and obtaining news.  Ham radio is great for the handful of people who own and can use the equipment, but I'm really interested in alternatives that use our existing smartphones and computers.  There's LOTS of work being done by rather tiny groups of people to create decentralized Internet networks, or even to avoid the Internet entirely and just use a mesh of WiFi-connected or Bluetooth-connected devices.  Maybe next year I'll make time to learn more about this.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on October 09, 2019, 07:26:57 AM
Why would the American government shut down the communications platforms it already controls? I don't really care what flavor of political bias I guarantee your 8 pm talk show will host "an ex-CIA paid contributor". Worth repeating that the head of the NSA can lie to congress under oath and the programmer who proved he was lying will be on the run for the rest of his life.

There are things that do scare me and most have to do with travel. Obviously don't go to a major city wearing anything that resembles supporting Republicans. In Minneapolis you will be pelted with rocks while the police laugh. As mom taught, keep the politics to yourself. She grew up in Chicago where police took off their badges to brutalize hippies. I know such abuses have been more common than I would like in cities like Chicago, LA, Milwaukee... you get the drift. That would be bad to get caught up in.

The only impactful events I have seen are both Black Lives Matter and Identity Evropa shutting down roads. I'm just picking on those 2 because they have locally done it and while I have no time for white pride racists it's really easy for Black Lives to lose support on things I would tend to agree with if they shut down a freeway. And that did happen.

Other than that it's common sense. Avoid groups. Avoid big public events that could turn. Once you are in a group of people who either believe we are under attack from rapist hordes of immigrants or the world is literally about to end (and that rhetoric is not a joke unfortunately) the biggest hurdle to violence is already gone.

That's my best guess based on what I've seen.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: LvsChant on October 09, 2019, 11:04:11 AM
Since we still have a bit of time, there are many things we can do personally to secure our food, water, etc. stores in advance. Setting up redundancies for necessities (well water, power for the well in case of outage, propane options for cooking/grilling, woodstove heat/cooking, neighborhood watch program for security, bump up garden production and food storage)...

Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on October 09, 2019, 11:16:05 AM
Since we still have a bit of time, there are many things we can do personally to secure our food, water, etc. stores in advance. Setting up redundancies for necessities (well water, power for the well in case of outage, propane options for cooking/grilling, woodstove heat/cooking, neighborhood watch program for security, bump up garden production and food storage)...

All good ideas. I'll add to that, gasoline for the generators
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: LvsChant on October 10, 2019, 08:16:51 AM
We're moving to a propane generator... and we'll be getting a 1000 gallon tank. We may not fill it, but it things start to look bad, we could fill it. Plus, we don't have to worry about rotating fuel and deterioration over time.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on October 10, 2019, 09:17:32 AM
I've thought about (probably should) converting our gen over. Kit is a hundred or so.
With two 500gal tanks it would make sense for us.
But as always, there's another project ahead of those ideas. Currently it's easier to roll it out of the shop and plug it in at the pole and fill with gas.
I need to be working on being able to get water from the well without elec.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: sams on October 10, 2019, 09:56:39 AM
Sorry to year the USA might get an African post election celebration

A few advises from an African:

1- these things are rarely spontaneous, it is all about one party stocking riot supplies (food and water) and weapons (stones, slings, bottles gasoline), so keep an eye out for reports of that.
2- Factor in the possible tactics to be used by rioters: clashes with police, road cutting, destruction of infrastructure. depends a lot on who is planning this disturbance.

In short you want to stay put at home until the conflict reaches a political conclusion, which should take a few weeks max.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: bigbear on October 10, 2019, 10:40:14 AM
Each region is different.  Even within a state, country, and city/town.  I'll echo knowing and avoiding the hot spots.

Build community and relationships now.  Like the old saying goes, "love covers a multitude of sins."  If you're known as the neighborhood soccer coach or piano teacher or soup kitchen volunteer, then you're "love" is not forget by the recipients.  Not sure who said it, but I'll throw out another quote, "They may not remember what you say, but they'll remember how you made them feel."  The trick is people these days can't separate feelings from thinking because, in general, their life is unstable to begin with (aha the powers of 'everything is relative').  Which is why must see the divine spark/intrinsic value in everyone we come across in life.

Financial interests will be preserved, so it will act as a stabilizing force as some point. 

Why would the American government shut down the communications platforms it already controls?

I was thinking more akin to how Apple just shut down an app that the HK protestors were using to share where HK police are (probably at the request of the HK police/gov't).  FB, IG, etc would be a broad circuit-breaker measure.  I would think it would take mass hysteria to do that.   

Sorry, can't advice, our elections don't go that rough. Maybe next time they will.

History shows ours peaceful transitions too.  And I fully expect they will be in 2020 as well.  But when the sitting POTUS makes "civil war" comments, it's tough to measure how long the fuse on the street is. 
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: DDJ on October 10, 2019, 11:04:27 AM
I would expect that once it is seen as  a threat/planning tool then internet will be shutdown.  They may even use that as a weapon a siege weapon at that.  Shutting down the internet in all forms to an area would be as effective at cutting moral and grinding the US to a halt as carpet bombing.  The likelihood that it would be used would depend on who has the power.  Again stock up on Food water medicines fuel and anything else that you might need to buy.  Being ready for a week or 2 of blackout is your best bug in plan. 
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 18, 2019, 05:41:55 PM
I am quickly coming to the opinion that restraing people is an important capability.  Ziptie cuffs (not typical cable ties) are being used extensively to restrain rampagers until they can be picked up for mental evaluation.  Having a few on hand may be a pretty good idea.  Something like these Safariland Double Cuff Disposable Restraints:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41d9ezizq5L._AC_.jpg)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: FreeLancer on October 18, 2019, 05:46:40 PM
What are the legal ramifications for civilians cuffing rampagers?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on October 18, 2019, 06:17:02 PM
Looks like a good idea. But I've got a bazillion big ties from my truck mechanic'in
days. If I have too....
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 18, 2019, 07:38:56 PM
What are the legal ramifications for civilians cuffing rampagers?

In my state one will probably get a commendation.  Our militia laws are still in full effect, specifically:

(a) Any person may arrest any other person if:

(1) the other person committed a felony in his presence;

(2) a felony has been committed and he has probable cause to believe that the other person has committed that felony;  or

(3) a misdemeanor involving a breach of peace is being committed in his presence and the arrest is necessary to prevent the continuance of the breach of peace.

(b) A person making an arrest under this section shall, as soon as practical, notify a law enforcement officer and deliver custody of the person arrested to a law enforcement officer.

(c) The law enforcement officer may process the arrested person as if the officer had arrested him.  The officer who receives or processes a person arrested by another under this section is not liable for false arrest or false imprisonment.


Looks like a good idea. But I've got a bazillion big ties from my truck mechanic'in
days. If I have too....

Some duct tape over top would definitely make a good restraint. It prevents the various break techniques.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: FreeLancer on October 18, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
Apparently California has similar citizen's arrest law, Penal Code 837, but it doesn't protect you from civil or criminal penalties if it's deemed a wrongful arrest. 

Are you going take video of the rampager to document their crimes (you know there will be at least one video of you "violating their civil rights" as you cuff them), or assume that your word against theirs will work to your advantage? 

Murderers, rapists, and terrorists seem pretty easy to justify, but I wouldn't have a lot of confidence in being scrutinized for arresting someone  for breach of peace. 
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 18, 2019, 09:17:30 PM
Are you going take video of the rampager to document their crimes (you know there will be at least one video of you "violating their civil rights" as you cuff them), or assume that your word against theirs will work to your advantage? 

Murderers, rapists, and terrorists seem pretty easy to justify, but I wouldn't have a lot of confidence in being scrutinized for arresting someone  for breach of peace.

No, not needed. Indiana law is clear and gives citizens wide authority.  Our courts have ruled "A breach of the peace includes all violations of public peace, order or decorum. Census Fed. Credit Union v. Wann, 403 N.E.2d 348, 350 (Ind.Ct.App.1980). It is a violation or disturbance of the public tranquility or order and includes breaking or disturbing the public peace by any riotous, forceful, or unlawful proceedings."

Someone tried to argue against the law in 1996.  They were drunk and a person reached into their car, took keys from ignition.  The court threw the challenge out with strong words. 

Furthermore, ourvlaws explicitely acknowledge right to use force in severe cases  All that is needed is probable cause.

"A person other than a law enforcement officer is justified in using reasonable force against another person to effect an arrest or prevent the other person’s escape if a felony has been committed and there is probable cause to believe the other person committed that felony. However, such a person is not justified in using deadly force unless that force is justified under [IC 35-41-3-2]"

"IC 35-41-3-2 says “… A person is justified in using reasonable force against any other person to protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person:

(1) is justified in using deadly force;  and

(2) does not have a duty to retreat;

if the person reasonably believes that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person or the commission of a forcible felony.  No person in this state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting the person or a third person by reasonable means necessary. ”

But the legal part is only half of it.  There is the cultural part.  We expect people to stand up and help keep the peace here.  No CLEO, prosecutor or judge in this area is going to support a rampager over a well known citizen.    That is key to maintaining a peaceful society.  It is about doing what is right and the law is viewed in the light which best enables that.

As a side note, who knew a shop like this existed?!  https://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/ (https://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: FreeLancer on October 18, 2019, 09:24:23 PM
And you have no sleazebag attorneys that will bleed you dry in civil court for wrongful arrest?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 18, 2019, 09:37:28 PM
And you have no sleazebag attorneys that will bleed you dry in civil court for wrongful arrest?

Not really.   The judges chop them into bits.  You need complicit judges to enable those types of people.  And the law shields against civil as well.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: FreeLancer on October 19, 2019, 01:44:59 AM
With everyone already on the same page in your state, then, it sounds like there's a pretty low risk of having to deal with any rampagers in the first place.

But for the rest of us, how does one best go about coaxing rampagers into cuffs without risking being charged with unreasonable use of force? 
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on October 19, 2019, 06:17:31 AM
Personally I wouldn't go near restraints. As a civilian I have a "duty to retreat" when possible so I use self defense as a last resort. Restraints have a "I'm using this to further engage you" kind of thing. Doesn't quite fit with the self defense narrative.

I have one set of Peerless handcuffs I use to practice picking (handcuffs being the #1 lock in the world and a pretty crappy one at that) but beyond that I can't see using them in any practical way.

I realize the laws are goofy in that I am justified in blowing some guy's head off with a .44 magnum if I feel threatened but if he turns and walks away I have to let him go. Laws vary and I would have a good grasp of my jurisdiction before I made self defense plans.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 19, 2019, 06:44:06 AM
History shows that during riots those who do the right thing to protect themselves and their communities come out ahead regardless of the legal consequences. 

(https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/rooftop-koreans.jpg)

The restraints aren't to keep them from walking away, they are to prevent them from killing, burning down buildings, beating others, etc. 

It seems crazy to let some ANTIFA thug beat the heck out of a little old lady and let him/her move on to another target because of fear of a civil lawsuit.  Even in France they understand the importance of citizens stepping up to take down rampagers.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190201-americans-who-thwarted-thalys-train-terror-attack-become-french-citizens (https://www.france24.com/en/20190201-americans-who-thwarted-thalys-train-terror-attack-become-french-citizens)
Americans who thwarted train terror attack become French citizens

As I said above, you don't go looking for these situations.  If you are in an area about to descend into chaos it is a reasonable idea to bug out.  But if that isn't possible to me personally the right thing to do is protect the Innocents from the aggressors using the minimum force possible.  To me restraining a person and handing them over to law enforcement is preferable to putting them six feet under.

It is worthwhile to note how in certain states ANTIFA doesn't show up to attack people after the president holds rallys there.  So there definitely is a state effect in play as to where incidents are likely to occur.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 19, 2019, 07:03:15 AM
Alternatively, you can use a chair and a milk crate:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/13/sydney-stabbing-one-woman-injured-knife-wielding-man-arrested/amp/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/13/sydney-stabbing-one-woman-injured-knife-wielding-man-arrested/amp/)
Sydney stabbing: One woman dead as three British men praised for restraining knife-wielding attacker

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2019/08/13/TELEMMGLPICT000206326639_trans%2B%2Bm145K216fnIW9eXjLo07uTwe9Oyiw3C9dvwOUuinKek.jpeg)

But having handcuffs ready is a nice upgrade, in this case he could have shot him but restrained him instead:

https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/bloomington-brothers-make-citizens-arrest (https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/bloomington-brothers-make-citizens-arrest)

Bloomington brothers make citizen's arrest

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. -- A Bloomington man took the law into his own hands and made a citizen's arrest when he says a man was breaking into his garage.
...
The homeowner said the intruder was holding a flashlight, that he initially thought was a gun. The man tried to get away and the two started to fight.

"All of a sudden my brother comes running out of the front door, bare foot, jumps on the guy, puts him in a strangle hold, takes him to the ground," Kaericher said.

As he placed handcuffs on the man, the police arrived.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 19, 2019, 09:11:14 AM
Watch this video and please explain to me how it was wrong for these citizens of Los Angeles to stop and ziptie up this rampager.  Who knows how many lives would have been lost if he gained control of that bus and drove it through a school yard of kids as some believe he intended.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/05/23/shirtless-man-goes-on-rock-throwing-rampage-targeting-buses-motorists/ (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/05/23/shirtless-man-goes-on-rock-throwing-rampage-targeting-buses-motorists/)
Shirtless Man Goes On Rock-Throwing Rampage Targeting Buses, Motorists
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on October 19, 2019, 11:19:20 AM
I'm not arguing the value. I'm just wary of the possible legal ramifications that could arise. When you hold someone against their will you're in dangerous territory of false imprisonment or kidnapping.

That said, I'm a hobby lockpick so I have a box of padlocks and plenty of chain so...

It's a really dark last resort.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: FreeLancer on October 19, 2019, 12:53:20 PM
A single bad guy is one thing, a violent mob is quite another. 
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 19, 2019, 07:27:28 PM
A single bad guy is one thing, a violent mob is quite another.

With a large mob the best bet is to redirect them using barricades and, if necessary, suppressing fire.  Just like the battle for k-town. 

(https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/mini-14.jpg)

But the vast majority of rampaging will be by small groups of vandals.  Except in a few cities, the numbers of violence oriented protesters is small and will be easily handled.

In most areas, if the police need help they will just draw upon us citizens they know they can trust.  They have started doing this in portland despite the cries of 'no fair' from ANTIFA.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-oregon-arrest-patriot-prayer-trump-free-speech/ (https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-oregon-arrest-patriot-prayer-trump-free-speech/)
Man Confirms Officers Asked For Help Arresting Portland Protester

(https://images5.opb.org/c_limit%2Ch_730%2Cq_90%2Cw_940/news_20170604_police_homeland_security_protest_bvm-1925_kgwtdx.jpg)
Todd Kelsay, left, assisted federal law enforcement officers in restraining and handcuffing an antifa protester outside of a pro-Trump free speech rally in Portland on Sunday, June 4, 2017.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: The Professor on October 23, 2019, 09:40:39 PM
This is something that's been increasingly on my mind, but I've not been sure how to post it, since we no longer have the TFHB, anymore.

I'm not taking sides on this, politically, but let me make a few personal observations:

Historically, it's been the Far Left that has been the most violent.  If the Republican Candidate wins, they'll lose their collective minds, again.  We've seen examples of rioting and general stupidity wherein they've destroyed even their own "holy places" (think Starbuck's).

Currently, I see two semi-realistic scenarioes arising from a political upset.

The First is if the Republican Candidate wins.  I expect widespread unrest (yes, even in Indiana, despite the law).  They run on emotion.  No laws are going to stop them, least of all a worry about some Red-Stater trying to zip-tie them.  Proof is in the recent spate of such disturbances.   While they whine and snivel and even curse out the police, they are quick to turn to the boys in blue when they feel they've been slighted.  They expect this protection, so no jackwagon wearing a red hat is going to intrude on their right to riot.  Logic goes right out the window in a riot and the anonymity of a wilding crowd.

The Second I expect is if the Left Candidate wins.  Same scenario, just on a smaller, more celebratory scale.  Despite all the chest-beating and promises to "take to the streets," the average conservative just is not a rioter.  A counter-protestor?  Maybe, some are. . .but as a general rioter?  I don't think so. 

However, even though I expect some level of unrest, I don't think it will necessarily be on a large enough scale to truly disrupt general lives.  Rioters typically don't riot in neighborhoods.  They tend to riot in business districts or in places where they'll be more easily seen/noticed.  Luckily, I live in a rural area so even if all the people "surrounding" me is a Far-Lefter, I'll maybe have a dozen protestors to deal with.  Furthermore, I don't expect it to last more than one or two nights.  If it does last longer than that, and if it's the Far Left who's doing it, then I think it will revert back to cowardly attacks similar to those that the Left perpetrated in the late 60's and early 70's.

The real problem comes when I go into town for business.  FWIW, we've been updating our Get Home Bags and making sure they're in each of our vehicles when we leave the house.  The ability to egress or bunker in place (away from  home) until the threat passes becomes vital.

My biggest fear is if I/we do get caught up in a major riot or unrest while away from home.  I remember watching the LA riots as they pulled Reginald Denny from his truck. A year or so ago, there was a night time video shot from a balcony where people where throwing stuff at vehicles including metal road blocks.  Look at the Antifa riots where they were forcing cars one way or the other.  The wife and I have been working at how to unass the vehicles as a team and get to cover if the vehicles become inoperable or immobile.

And, yes, that equates to armed self-defense.  We've considered most everything including less-lethal methods such as OC/CS dispersal devices.

Our most likely course of action is that we'll take the entire election week off as vacation.  We live out in the country, so we could just stay home and encourage our friends to do so, as well.

The Professor
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on October 24, 2019, 10:15:29 AM
There is something weird happening with police. From the disaster of Charlottesville where I am of the belief the police directed protestors into one another to ensure a melee happened to local issues where police locked doors while elderly women were assaulted in the street by protestors to Portland just having a "stand down" order where ANTIFA directs traffic and beats up old men something is going on.

I don't know if it's a political mess or what but it is alarming that police have ceded control to violent street gangs. These are gangs who have escalated from "glitter bombing" anti-gay politicians to throwing milkshakes to openly talking about putting concrete in the milkshake.

I actually believe the police are hamstrung by city governance which won't permit them to take back the cities but it has to catch in your craw that there are several instances of police letting this unlawful protest and even violent interactions continue unabated. To be fair I don't know what a couple cops could hope to effect in the face of violent mobs if they have no support from leadership and are out-muscled.

Even if there is some semblance of law and order you still are throwing the dice at best. Good old LA jury decided that hitting Reginald Denny with a brick was every bit the non-crime of cops beating a shackled Rodney King. King was recorded and Denny was assaulted on live TV but the juries decided that was the correct thing to do.

It's worth the perspective. If you unwittingly get gummed up in one of these events the police will not likely be able to protect you at best and might steer you into violence at worst and the courts may offer no redress. Do your best to "not be there".
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on October 24, 2019, 10:48:50 AM
Lots of useful ideas here.  But I think only FreeLancer really addressed the situation I'm worrying about:

Scenario: the results of the next Presidential election are close, and the apparently-losing side refuses to concede, claiming that fraud and/or hacking caused a false outcome.  Extremists on both sides (plus angry people who don't fit on the left-right political spectrum) start resorting to violence.  They are joined by normally-nonviolent people who believe the other side is attempting a coup. ...

I'm not talking about a few weeks of Antifa breaking windows and torching buildings (although that's a believable scenario).  I mean a situation where both the Democrats and the Republicans claim to have won the presidential election, and we're at serious risk of a literal civil war.

I'm not sure how this would be resolved via politics or the courts, or whether any such resolution would be negated by the actions of private citizens.  I do know that the Republicans have a lot more firearm-owning supporters than the Democrats do.  Things could get very messy for an extended period of time.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on October 24, 2019, 11:33:04 AM
Lots of useful ideas here.  But I think only FreeLancer really addressed the situation I'm worrying about:

I'm not talking about a few weeks of Antifa breaking windows and torching buildings (although that's a believable scenario).  I mean a situation where both the Democrats and the Republicans claim to have won the presidential election, and we're at serious risk of a literal civil war.

I'm not sure how this would be resolved via politics or the courts, or whether any such resolution would be negated by the actions of private citizens.  I do know that the Republicans have a lot more firearm-owning supporters than the Democrats do.  Things could get very messy for an extended period of time.

Well we went through that in Florida in 2000 and Hillary never conceded in 2016. For better or worse we have a couple months between elections and swearing in. Things usually work themselves out. There's a lot of shady stuff that can go on like the clearly fraudulent votes for MN senator Al Franken but for the most part it comes out in the wash.

There's a lot that could stir the pot though. Lots of claims of Russian agents (like Tulsi???) from the Clinton camp and let's be honest Ruth Bader Ginsberg is hanging on by a thread. It's not beyond the possibility that the DNC and RNC could lose control of their conventions and even the Libertarians are going tooth and nail as the Mises Caucus has their sights on Nick Sarwalk. Things are so shattered Obama won't endorse his own VP. It's an odd time.

But an all out war of all against all? I'd bet against it. I think getting caught in a downtown skirmish is more likely than a full blown civil war or even wholescale unrest. I'll admit we're in a dark place but pointing a gun at someone because they voted wrong just feels too far.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 24, 2019, 05:47:35 PM
However, even though I expect some level of unrest, I don't think it will necessarily be on a large enough scale to truly disrupt general lives.  Rioters typically don't riot in neighborhoods.  They tend to riot in business districts or in places where they'll be more easily seen/noticed.  Luckily, I live in a rural area so even if all the people "surrounding" me is a Far-Lefter, I'll maybe have a dozen protestors to deal with. 

Yes, this is likely. It will be concentrated in very limited areas. 

The First is if the Republican Candidate wins.  I expect widespread unrest (yes, even in Indiana, despite the law).  They run on emotion.  No laws are going to stop them, least of all a worry about some Red-Stater trying to zip-tie them.  Proof is in the recent spate of such disturbances.   

Only a very limited number of places in Indiana.  Even in Chicago-influenced Lake County (home of Gary Indiana) where 70% are democrats, only 58% voted for Clinton.  And it was a tie in St Joseph County where Mayor Pete is. So, you got those two and maybe a couple areas in Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, and some students in Bloomington.

There will be zero where I am. The number one employer is a coal-based aluminum plant that Obama forced closed but restarted because of Trump. The few remaining elected democrats actually support Trump. 

As an example, Trump had a rally near here.  For weeks the media pushed that there were going to be thousands of protesters, many who were going to riot.  The reality was there were 13,000 Trump supporters and under 150 anti-Trump protesters.  There were three incidents.  One anti -Trumper hit a MAGA hat wearer.  The MAGA hat wearer punched him back knocking him out.  The police arrested both then released them after they paid a small amount.  An ANTIFA type got in an argument with a cafe owner and pulled a knife on him. Three people reached for their guns and he dropped the knife and was picked up by a cop.  Another ANTIFA type slapped a woman and then ran away.  On the positive side, a protester lost his wallet which was found by a pro-Trumper.  The pro-Trumper turned it in to police who returned it to the owner.  The media appeared heartbroken by how quite it was.

There were a couple days of riot in Indianapolis in the mid 1990s in response to a police incident.  Primarily it was activists bussed in from St Louis and Chicago.  They allowed them to break windows for a couple nights.  But once it started to get beyond that it was shut down. 

Violent riots are just not embedded in the culture here.

I'm not sure how this would be resolved via politics or the courts, or whether any such resolution would be negated by the actions of private citizens.

Well, ultimately whoever convinces the Chief Justice to swear him/her in will probably come out on top. That is a pretty powerful tradition.  Cant imagine the majority not accepting that.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: fritz_monroe on October 24, 2019, 07:23:34 PM
Lots of useful ideas here.  But I think only FreeLancer really addressed the situation I'm worrying about:

I'm not talking about a few weeks of Antifa breaking windows and torching buildings (although that's a believable scenario).  I mean a situation where both the Democrats and the Republicans claim to have won the presidential election, and we're at serious risk of a literal civil war.

I'm not sure how this would be resolved via politics or the courts, or whether any such resolution would be negated by the actions of private citizens.  I do know that the Republicans have a lot more firearm-owning supporters than the Democrats do.  Things could get very messy for an extended period of time.

This is my concern as well.  I know there's been states that have signed a pact to change their electoral votes to match the winner of the nationwide popular vote.  But in the past couple of years, there's been a full court press to try to get this into other states.  According to Washington Post, there's 12 states that have signed a pact.
Colorado signs on to popular-vote effort ahead of 2020 presidential election (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/16/another-state-signs-popular-vote-bill-that-could-decide-presidential-election/)

My worry is something similar to 2016 happens.  The Republican nomination wins the electoral vote, but the Democrat wins the popular vote.  The states that have signed this pact put it in to action and change their electoral votes to give the election to the Democrat nomination.  Democrats claim the win.  The Republicans claim that this is not legal.  Both sides see themselves as the winner and the opposing side has stolen the election.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: The Professor on October 25, 2019, 03:59:45 PM
Yes, this is likely. It will be concentrated in very limited areas. 

Only a very limited number of places in Indiana.  Even in Chicago-influenced Lake County (home of Gary Indiana) where 70% are democrats, only 58% voted for Clinton.  And it was a tie in St Joseph County where Mayor Pete is. So, you got those two and maybe a couple areas in Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, and some students in Bloomington.

There will be zero where I am. The number one employer is a coal-based aluminum plant that Obama forced closed but restarted because of Trump. The few remaining elected democrats actually support Trump. 

As an example, Trump had a rally near here.  For weeks the media pushed that there were going to be thousands of protesters, many who were going to riot.  The reality was there were 13,000 Trump supporters and under 150 anti-Trump protesters.  There were three incidents.  One anti -Trumper hit a MAGA hat wearer.  The MAGA hat wearer punched him back knocking him out.  The police arrested both then released them after they paid a small amount.  An ANTIFA type got in an argument with a cafe owner and pulled a knife on him. Three people reached for their guns and he dropped the knife and was picked up by a cop.  Another ANTIFA type slapped a woman and then ran away.  On the positive side, a protester lost his wallet which was found by a pro-Trumper.  The pro-Trumper turned it in to police who returned it to the owner.  The media appeared heartbroken by how quite it was.

There were a couple days of riot in Indianapolis in the mid 1990s in response to a police incident.  Primarily it was activists bussed in from St Louis and Chicago.  They allowed them to break windows for a couple nights.  But once it started to get beyond that it was shut down. 

Violent riots are just not embedded in the culture here.

Well, ultimately whoever convinces the Chief Justice to swear him/her in will probably come out on top. That is a pretty powerful tradition.  Cant imagine the majority not accepting that.

I am very familiar in the area of which you speak. In fact, I once worked for Uncle Al while working on my undergrad degree nearby.

I might suggest that you reconsider your position of "it can't happen here."  While I would agree with you in general, I think there's going to be a lot of priming the pump, politically speaking, in the year preceding the election.

Take a close look at the largest town in the area of which you speak.  Almost 1 out of 4 (actually 23.3%) live in poverty. The town has a higher crime rate than 96% of the rest of the US and 98% of the rest of Indiana.

These are the exact people which will be pandered to by the Leftists.  They are falling all over themselves promising free stuff to everybody.  They will be expecting it, after all. . .they are ENTITLED to it.

I have no doubt that Trump's election numbers will be like they were in 2016.  The problem is, as others have pointed out, is that some won't wish to observe the legal definition of winning.  We have already had the Governor of Colorado say that he will "most likely" direct Colorado's Electoral candidates to side with the popular vote (note the caveat. . .I'd bet that he will claim he was just considering the idea if Trump wins the Popular Vote).  I also promise you that if it's close, every freaking news channel (with the possible exception of FOX) will be screaming for blood and how the dreams and lives of millions of poor and dependents were ripped from their hands by the crooked, evil conservatives.   They will make those poor feel that they've had their promised welfare hikes, their free cell phone, their free food, their free homes, and everything else stolen from them.

That town of which you speak recently held a vote of it's own police officers that show a ridiculously large number of them have no confidence in their own Police Chief.  With the number of meth busts, the number of murders, rapes, etc. climbing while the number of fielded officers drops. . .it's no wonder.

That river city is a powder keg and the Leftists are running around with fists full of strike-anywhere matches in one hand and a can of gasoline in the other.  I would still expect something to happen if the Conservative win and the riots happen elsewhere.  The squeaky wheel does, indeed, get the oil.

And, while the result may not be as spectacular as, say, Chicago, East St. Louis, Nashville, etc. . .if you're caught in a crowd of 150 pissed off liberal free-everything promisees. . .

Well, it may not be the best day you've ever had.

The Professor

PS- Oh, don't forget that the kids nowadays have been conditioned to flashmob for any reason whatsoever.  So, maybe protests are out, but if you're in the Drugstore they attack, will the results not be the same?   After all, they've been taught that Trump will take away their free ride future, their free healthcare (and subsequently their lives), their environment and their world (what, in 12 years?). 
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 25, 2019, 06:08:01 PM
I am very familiar in the area of which you speak. In fact, I once worked for Uncle Al while working on my undergrad degree nearby.
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Take a close look at the largest town in the area of which you speak.  Almost 1 out of 4 (actually 23.3%) live in poverty. The town has a higher crime rate than 96% of the rest of the US and 98% of the rest of Indiana.

You are correct by 'town' but that is definitely not representative of the area. If you look at the poverty rate for the area it is 15.4% and this is not adjusted by cost-of-living.  Adjusted by COL it is well below national average. The unemployment rate is 3.1%.  The crime rate quoted is similarly skewed, with the city-center level driven by drug crime due to the creation of the I-69 meth corridor. 

If you are interested, you might want to check out the Mayoral debate from yesterday.  A friend of mine is running (I will let you guess at which one).  For the first time in the city's history there is no Democrat candidate.   

Where I specifically am located was named one of the 10 best places to live in Indiana and the number one place in the state to retire.  Our sheriff and police chief have everything well in hand.  It is a completely different force than the one you mention (which, again, is fighting the drug corridor issue).

I have no fear of liberals.  I am equally as comfortable in a room full of liberals as conservatives.  Even if 150 of them prone to violence could be gathered (highly unlikely), I am someone who didn't vote for Trump and doesn't support him so there is no reason for them to target me. 

That said, it is a wise idea not to be in any city-center on election night.  But I am definitely not going to lose sleep that a mob will spontaneously spring up in my town and start rampaging.  It isn't realistically going to happen.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 26, 2019, 01:14:20 PM
The Count Love Project at Boston University has some very interesting data.  They have been monitoring protests over the last decade using verified media reports.  They have made maps showing the types of protests by area as well as overall trends. The below map is particularly pertinent.  It shows the population of the states (size of circle) by concentration of protesters (color).  Obviously, DC is off the chart.  But there is a wide variety across the other states.

(http://www.bu.edu/files/2017/10/image7-cartogram.png)

Another interesting chart is the comparison of urban vs. rural.  What they found is that while the levels of protests may vary, the topics driving protest when they happen are very similar.  So there is consistency in concerns if not in actions.

(http://www.bu.edu/files/2017/10/image6-rural-urban.png)

Here is an interesting time lapse video of various protests.  There are definitely some consistent areas across all types of issues (i.e. a culture of protest).  These are obviously the areas most susceptible to future outbreaks.  It may be worthwhile to see what has occurred in your area. There have been none in my area and only a very small one in the largest nearby city.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEK8ty5goxI&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEK8ty5goxI&feature=youtu.be)

Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: The Professor on October 27, 2019, 01:32:05 PM

My biggest fear is if I/we do get caught up in a major riot or unrest while away from home.  I remember watching the LA riots as they pulled Reginald Denny from his truck. A year or so ago, there was a night time video shot from a balcony where people where throwing stuff at vehicles including metal road blocks.  Look at the Antifa riots where they were forcing cars one way or the other.  The wife and I have been working at how to unass the vehicles as a team and get to cover if the vehicles become inoperable or immobile.

Here is the link to the riot/unrest video of which I earlier spoke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4mQg0qVBng (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4mQg0qVBng)

The background of this appears to be a post-soccer game fan riot.  However, it shows what I fear. . .unrest even with a smaller crowd base. . .not hundreds, but scores.

Of particular note is the 0:20 - 0:45 timeframe.  The antagonists actually attempt to gain entry into a vehicle with limited success.

All this, supposedly, over a mere soccer game. 

The Professor
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on October 27, 2019, 03:44:21 PM
I'd be popping bullets into their heads while they were trying to gain entry to my car.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 27, 2019, 03:55:35 PM
I'd be popping bullets into their heads while they were trying to gain entry to my car.

Next year I am hoping to on takie an evasive driving course.  i planned to do it this year but had to cancel to cover a meeting for a colleague.  It is ingrained in us not to break the road lines, run over people, etc. Stopping in the middle of a riot is a good example of living on auto pilot putting one in danger. 
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on October 27, 2019, 04:40:37 PM
Next year I am hoping to on takie an evasive driving course.  i planned to do it this year but had to cancel to cover a meeting for a colleague.  It is ingrained in us not to break the road lines, run over people, etc. Stopping in the middle of a riot is a good example of living on auto pilot putting one in danger.

I took one and I was amazed how hard you can run a car. You train on a little sports car and then graduate to a Suburban. You are literally going 40 in reverse and realizing the road is an "option". It flies in your face when the teacher reminds you that your life is in danger and "fucking up the car" is a way out. If you have that big truck or SUV you "can" smash through the mall's front door. They will teach you to lay on the horn and jump a curb while the trainer is next to you screaming "my baby's dying". They are good classes if for no other reason they really shatter your normalcy bias. Hard part is that it only applies in that darkest of days. 99.99999999% you're better off obeying the limit and having plenty of space. But it did break me of my bias. In the right circumstance I will plow through a neighbor's fence and get the family to safety in the park.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: cmxterra on October 29, 2019, 06:09:25 PM
If you have not completed you ammo fort, now would be the time. No matter who wins or loses you can expect more laws to be coming onto the books making it more difficult to procure food for your pew pew.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Morning Sunshine on October 29, 2019, 06:22:52 PM
If you have not completed you ammo fort, now would be the time. No matter who wins or loses you can expect more laws to be coming onto the books making it more difficult to procure food for your pew pew.

hey CMX - good to see you.  I am thinking it is time to invest in our firearms
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on October 29, 2019, 06:33:09 PM
If you have not completed you ammo fort, now would be the time. No matter who wins or loses you can expect more laws to be coming onto the books making it more difficult to procure food for your pew pew.


 :rofl:
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: The Professor on October 29, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
If you have not completed you ammo fort, now would be the time. No matter who wins or loses you can expect more laws to be coming onto the books making it more difficult to procure food for your pew pew.

I'd suggest doing it soon.  Once the political rhetoric starts flying, especially with the liberals now not even worrying about hiding their confiscation/banning intentions, the panic will grow.  That means supplies will go down, prices will go up and opportunities will become fewer and far-between.

We've set a deadline of the new year.  We're sitting pretty good, right now, but we're filling the finals "gaps"  in the next two months.

After that?

The Professor
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on October 29, 2019, 09:37:36 PM
I'll hafta refill my stock pile, after having that boating incident. Sheesh......
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: cmxterra on October 30, 2019, 06:37:00 AM
I'd suggest doing it soon.  Once the political rhetoric starts flying, especially with the liberals now not even worrying about hiding their confiscation/banning intentions, the panic will grow.  That means supplies will go down, prices will go up and opportunities will become fewer and far-between.

We've set a deadline of the new year.  We're sitting pretty good, right now, but we're filling the finals "gaps"  in the next two months.

After that?

The Professor

Do you have reloading supplies?
Something else to think about.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on October 30, 2019, 09:24:41 AM
The political talk is totally off the rails. Julian Castro (I can't make this up) said that he wants to preserve abortion rights for trans women.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/27/julian-castro-debate-abortion-1385950

We live in a land where we need to protect abortion for those with a Y chromosome which feels like a head scratcher.

But the cool thing is that nothing is insane or off the table. So if you need a full auto deck mounted boat gun to defend yourself against invisible space aliens well that's about as logical as giving men abortions.

In another wonderful Democratic town hall we were told that mispronouncing a trans woman's name is "violence". Can't make this up either.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/11/nia-malika-henderson-scolded-for-violence-after-mi/

So to be fair I have my space pirate deck gun and mispronouncing my family names is violence so I'm going to rack the cannon and let you work with Dziedzic and Przybilkski. I'm going to respond to your violence when you don't get the right Northern German pronounciation of Tamburich.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on October 30, 2019, 02:51:19 PM
Much of the discussion in this thread has been about left-wing violence.  Trump wins re-election, and Antifa blocks a freeway and torches a Starbucks to support the right of uterus-free persons to obtain government-funded abortions, and then in a week they all go home and post angry memes on Facebook for the next 4 years.

Which side has more weapons?  Which side has organized groups of trained people who could form armed militias within a few days?

Scenario: Trump loses re-election according to the official results, but claims it's due to fraud and that he actually won.

What happens when Trump demands that his supporters defend his Presidency?  When he asks the same of his supporters in Congress, two dozen of them perform an act of civil disobedence, disrupting an impeachment hearing and illegally bringing cellphones into a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility.  I'm not asking whether y'all think this was justified.  My point is that some of Trump's supporters will violate the law in his defense, if they're convinced the Democrats are attempting a "coup".  So we should also be preparing for possible right-wing violence, and this could be greatly different in character than the Antifa vs Alt-Right skirmishes we've seen.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on October 30, 2019, 02:56:21 PM
Another scenero from Bill. Thanks
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: FreeLancer on October 30, 2019, 06:45:46 PM
Much of the discussion in this thread has been about left-wing violence.  Trump wins re-election, and Antifa blocks a freeway and torches a Starbucks to support the right of uterus-free persons to obtain government-funded abortions, and then in a week they all go home and post angry memes on Facebook for the next 4 years.

Which side has more weapons?  Which side has organized groups of trained people who could form armed militias within a few days?

Scenario: Trump loses re-election according to the official results, but claims it's due to fraud and that he actually won.

What happens when Trump demands that his supporters defend his Presidency?  When he asks the same of his supporters in Congress, two dozen of them perform an act of civil disobedence, disrupting an impeachment hearing and illegally bringing cellphones into a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility.  I'm not asking whether y'all think this was justified.  My point is that some of Trump's supporters will violate the law in his defense, if they're convinced the Democrats are attempting a "coup".  So we should also be preparing for possible right-wing violence, and this could be greatly different in character than the Antifa vs Alt-Right skirmishes we've seen.


And here be dragons.....
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on October 30, 2019, 08:09:08 PM
Again, I'm really hoping to keep this focused on prepping and not politics.  The scenario is (I think) worth considering, regardless of whether you'd be sympathetic to the hypothetical right-wing militia.  (And also, they might not be sympathetic to you, if you don't meet their idea of "patriot".)

And here be dragons.....

Yeah, it's a huge unknown -- nothing similar has happened in this country in living memory, AFAIK.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: cmxterra on October 31, 2019, 08:52:15 AM
I have noticed that the violence the liberal left inflicts is on a sliding scale from blocking streets, rioting and bike locks to the forehead.

However the conservative right seems to be more of an on/off switch. It will be a bad day when that switch gets flipped.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on October 31, 2019, 09:30:12 AM
Conservative politics is a civil war dumpster fire right now. It's the trendy thing to crap on Meghan McCain and Mitt Romney. The "nice guy" leaders are done. Bill Kristol will not hold the reigns again.

That said, if there is one group with a legit bone to pick... Just have a chat with dad about wading through rice paddies full of snakes while Jane Fonda smoked grass with the enemy and his tax dollar went to fund tenured professors who were from the Weather Underground and Baader Meinhoff Komplex.

You're going to tell a normal conservative that you will impeach his president over an offhand phone comment when the last guy used the IRS to target him and shipped guns to drug cartels with no issue?

As a guy who came from the right and still has a lot of family there something has changed. It's not flag waving Ron Reagan stuff anymore. It's a fight. Could it turn violent? Maybe. I hope not. Armed and motivated conservatives are a force. Didn't work out good for Hitler or Hirohito. Some angry corn farmers with experience on a gun have toppled empires.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 31, 2019, 09:58:46 AM
Rioting by its nature is primarily a cultural response.  People have to be psychologically disenfranchised and impotent to believe it is a good idea to burn down their own community.  For the left extremists this is currently the case in isolated places as discussed above (Portland, Berkeley, Minneapolis, Seattle, LA, etc)..  For the middle and right this is not the case.  So for any type of major violent response there would have to be really compelling evidence of voter fraud with high level individuals besides the president confirming it; Vice-President, Chief Justice, Joint Chiefs, etc. 

Even then, the right extremists wouldnt riot but would probably do targetted actions outside of their own communities.  Those sympathetic to the fraud charges would control the majority of land so they would likely have free movement. 

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/XOhwW48KRAkxHx8zvh6XjE2LfcqXveTY1nfNTOhSJVSHwHruQBe2PeVDh5L4W03Ci74dt5SS7OwOK0bWnFOgzBOMMSAmvxmwuGaI-vQMxes3_fnR_hsVTuIrxKAp9RWXm5biDX4j)

They probably would choose to just cut off supply lines to those cities and let them destroy themselves.  For example, We probably would see the major West Coast ports, power grid and water lines severed in the first couple weeks.  Blockcades and ambushes on the roads would stop trucks from entering.  In short, they would be under seige.  As this happened the rest of the states would probably meet to overturn the fraudulent election. 

Chances of such a response are close to zero.  More likely, they would take a wait and see attitude. It wouldnt be until the left tried to implement policies like enforced firearm confiscations that they would respond by force.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: nano. on October 31, 2019, 12:25:24 PM
Looking that that map, I have to call BS on Vermont... The eastern counties in the state are Republican, the western ones by NY border are Blue. This map shows all but Essex County being blue... nope, don't buy it...

Small state I know, we only have 500Kish people here...

But yeah, since first getting on TSP back when Jack was rolling in the Jetta, things have surely gone down the shitter as of late, eh?

;)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on October 31, 2019, 02:08:40 PM
Looking that that map, I have to call BS on Vermont... The eastern counties in the state are Republican, the western ones by NY border are Blue. This map shows all but Essex County being blue... nope, don't buy it...

What do you mean?  Those are the 2016 election results by county/parish. You can find county data here or on SOS site:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Vermont (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Vermont)

County   Clinton   Votes   Trump   Votes   Others   Votes   Total
Addison   59.0%   11,219   27.8%   5,297   13.2%   2,515   19,031
Bennington   54.9%   9,539   34.1%   5,925   11.0%   1,917   17,381
Caledonia   45.8%   6,445   39.3%   5,534   14.9%   2,095   14,074
Chittenden   65.7%   54,814   22.3%   18,601   12.0%   10,001   83,416
Essex   34.8%   1,019   51.5%   1,506   13.7%   400   2,925
Franklin   43.7%   9,351   40.9%   8,752   15.5%   3,308   21,411
Grand Isle   51.0%   2,094   36.2%   1,487   12.9%   528   4,109
Lamoille   56.7%   7,241   28.0%   3,570   15.3%   1,951   12,762
Orange   51.5%   7,541   34.2%   5,007   14.3%   2,101   14,649
Orleans   43.0%   5,185   42.8%   5,159   14.1%   1,702   12,046
Rutland   46.0%   13,635   42.1%   12,479   11.8%   3,501   29,615
Washington   59.8%   18,594   25.7%   7,993   14.5%   4,499   31,086
Windham   63.4%   14,340   24.1%   5,454   12.6%   2,840   22,634
Windsor   58.7%   17,556   28.8%   6,805   12.6%   3,767   28,128
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: scoop on October 31, 2019, 03:03:50 PM
IMO, it would have to get a whole lot worse for anyone who's not a liberal/progressive/socialist/anarchist to go out in the streets and bust some heads.
And my advise to those who want to do something about this kangaroo court currently in session I have this to say;
"Never interfere with an enemy in the process of destroying themselves".
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on November 01, 2019, 11:05:53 AM
I guess we're pretty lucky that conservatives spend their time at church and raising families. As I've thought this over the past couple days the specter of 63 million Tim McVeighs is a little unsettling. We'd be in the dark ages.

There is something to the fact that conservatives refrain from retaliating against routine liberal rioting and unrest. I doubt dad would show up to a fight with a milkshake. It'd be more like a .308.

And maybe the really scary thought about right wingers is the skill set breakdown. We're going into a civil war where one side has the veterans, engineers, and tradesmen and the other side has teachers and lawyers (painting with a broad brush here but the math bears it out)?

I guess I've never really thought about it because I'm a peaceful guy but I have the skill set to build an aircraft (done it) and I've seen a friend make dynamite in his kitchen (don't do that kids). If you pool up my conservative/libertarian friends it's a laundry list of trades, engineers, combat vets, and others who could make your day very bad. And we think a good day is spent at the gun range and having beers around a campfire. I've never thought of the mayhem one of those groups could do. It would be ugly.

I don't know why conservatives tend to be less willing to be violent but if you just assess on the ability to cause damage... Holy crap. You move from a downtown riot to "the transfer station is on fire and the water main is cut". Ugly.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on November 04, 2019, 05:26:42 PM
Looks like we wont have to wait for after the election to see the flare ups.  Antifa has already morphed into a group of violent street thugs being used to target political rivals.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/antifa-attack-portland-sentenced-halloween-home (https://www.foxnews.com/media/antifa-attack-portland-sentenced-halloween-home)
Journalist attacked by Antifa describes Halloween incident at his home: 'It looked like something out of The Purge'

Prosecutors should be more vigilant in bringing charges against members of Antifa and push for prison time, said journalist Andy Ngo, describing a "terrifying" Halloween incident in which a group of men tried to force their way into his home.

Ngo discussed the case of an Antifa activist who was sentenced to six years in prison for cracking a man's skull open during a demonstration at which he was present in Portland, Oregon. He said the assailant's allies have gotten off easy and urged law enforcement to double their efforts.

"I wanted to point out this is only the second violent Antifa criminal across the United States to face actual prison time," he said Monday on "America's Newsroom."
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: FreeLancer on November 04, 2019, 11:04:15 PM
Interesting read about Andy Ngo:  https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/)

(https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/GettyImages-1152896318W.jpg?resize=900,600&w=1200)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on November 05, 2019, 06:30:19 AM
Interesting read about Andy Ngo:  https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/)

(https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/GettyImages-1152896318W.jpg?resize=900,600&w=1200)

LOL. I love these Rolling Stone hit pieces.  They skill and time they take in trying to wrap reality into a pretzel is a work of art.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on November 06, 2019, 03:22:05 PM
It's OK to try to kill a man because he spoke politely with unsavory folks? Hunter S Thompson rode with the Hell's Angels and Nellie Bly checked into a bad asylum. That's what journalists do. Max Kellerman and Joe Rogan will literally turn from one fighter to his opponent and treat each with respect and honesty. We have better civility in a boxing ring than the city streets of Portland.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on November 10, 2019, 12:08:41 PM
First time ANTIFA was ever mentioned in services today.  I hadnt yet heard about the church desecrations by ANTIFA groups this week. Not a good look.  So now discussions of beefing up security further against ANTIFA mobs have started all over the world.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-11-08/chilean-catholic-church-looted-by-vandals-as-protests-rage (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-11-08/chilean-catholic-church-looted-by-vandals-as-protests-rage)
Church Looted by Vandals as Protests Rage in Chile's Capital
Hooded protesters in Chile have looted a church near the main gathering site of mass demonstrations against the government over inequality.


(https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/1f8b720/2147483647/thumbnail/970x647/quality/85/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcom-usnews-beam-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbb%2F8d478a3930ba56ed51e5c99eaedf07%2Fmedia%3A75210721c219424dae6cae82a2bc8069Chile_Protests_14825.jpg)

Lots of local video and images on social media.
(https://image-media.gloria.tv/placidus/f/hf/3d4102lgjcfdv717a3nzds49gv717a3nzds4c.jpg)

Antifa profaniert katholische Kirchen in Chile
Es sieht so aus, als ob der Tabernakel geplündert worden wäre.

Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Carver on November 11, 2019, 08:20:41 PM
Is my observation wrong that the aftermath of every civil disruption, or conflict has seen a weakening of our constitutional form of government? That is to say, a gravitation towards tyranny.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: rustyknife on November 12, 2019, 12:09:12 PM
Is my observation wrong that the aftermath of every civil disruption, or conflict has seen a weakening of our constitutional form of government? That is to say, a gravitation towards tyranny.
Yes, I agree with you. A slippery greasy slide down hill.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: fritz_monroe on November 12, 2019, 07:29:06 PM
Is my observation wrong that the aftermath of every civil disruption, or conflict has seen a weakening of our constitutional form of government? That is to say, a gravitation towards tyranny.
Nope, your observations are exactly right.  After all TPTB can never let a good crisis go to waste.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Gamer on November 14, 2019, 07:00:33 AM
Scenario: the results of the next Presidential election are close, and the apparently-losing side refuses to concede, claiming that fraud and/or hacking caused a false outcome.  Extremists on both sides (plus angry people who don't fit on the left-right political spectrum) start resorting to violence.  They are joined by normally-nonviolent people who believe the other side is attempting a coup.
Can we, as individuals, do any prepping for this possibility?

If law and order breaks down, then a man's gotta do....;)
Check out the film 'Panic in Year Zero' (1962) starring Ray Milland as a decent caring family man who switches into ruthless survival mode in the aftermath of a nuke attack in order to protect himself and his family, so he's a great role model for us all.
I watched it on youtube a while back but now it seems to have vanished apart from this trailer-

https://youtu.be/g0vMgIQVicQ

PS- in case the trailer vanishes too, here's a shot from a scene in the film where Milland tracks down two teenagers who messed with his daughter and catches them defenceless and unarmed. Will he kill them in cold blood or not? That'd be telling..;)

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Panic-year-zero1_zpsa5905927.jpg~original)

(SPOILER ALERT- If you're dying to know the answer, the fact is that yes, he blows them both away.)

Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on November 14, 2019, 01:06:51 PM
...a decent caring family man who switches into ruthless survival mode in the aftermath of a nuke attack in order to protect himself and his family, so he's a great role model for us all. ...

Yep, that's been a standard wet dream in survivalist fiction for a long time.  The good guys are always 100% good, the bad guys are always 100% bad, there's no question of mistaken identity, there's no question of whether the punishment is in proportion to the crime, so you don't need a trial, you just need a good guy with a rifle.

Antifa will be following this same great role model when they go out and start killing people they consider to be Nazis.  The alt-crazies have already been following it when they massacre "invaders".  If this is the way things are headed, we're in a lot of trouble.

Somewhat related topic: Do many preppers actually hope for an economic collapse? (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=64246.0)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on November 14, 2019, 04:14:12 PM
Is there any solace in our recent experiences? Not that things are ideal but in both Charlottesville and the Bundy stuff as soon as one person is killed it seems everybody steps back with a "shit got real" moment. That does give me hope. Passions flare and people make poor decisions but when confronted with real mortality it seems even the most ardent back off. Not to diminish the horror of the loss of life but it seems like one death and we all realize our humanity. Kathy Griffen got shut down for her Robespierre look. Maybe there is a collective humanity has a better angel in our souls?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Morning Sunshine on November 14, 2019, 05:05:04 PM
Is there any solace in our recent experiences? Not that things are ideal but in both Charlottesville and the Bundy stuff as soon as one person is killed it seems everybody steps back with a "shit got real" moment. That does give me hope. Passions flare and people make poor decisions but when confronted with real mortality it seems even the most ardent back off. Not to diminish the horror of the loss of life but it seems like one death and we all realize our humanity. Kathy Griffen got shut down for her Robespierre look. Maybe there is a collective humanity has a better angel in our souls?

+1 for the Reign of Terror reference.  I love it when history is known
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Gamer on November 15, 2019, 07:14:43 PM
Yep, that's been a standard wet dream in survivalist fiction for a long time.  The good guys are always 100% good, the bad guys are always 100% bad, there's no question of mistaken identity, there's no question of whether the punishment is in proportion to the crime, so you don't need a trial, you just need a good guy with a rifle.

WE are the good guys..:)
So if it hits the fan we can plug the bad guys with a clear conscience to protect ourselves and our families, no rules in a knife fight..;)

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/pres-John-Adams_zps1qqqh4mk.jpg~original)

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/tucker2_zps8nx415wg.jpg~original)


Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on November 17, 2019, 09:54:06 AM
There is some magic here that gives me hope. We boast the peaceful transition of power. We didn't hang the loyalists after our revolution. We had Reconstruction in the South. We went from bombing to the Berlin Airlift in one generation. Despite our leadership that continually gets us embroiled in global conflict continually Americans have never had a stomach for excess violence. Our "Boston Massacre" left 5 dead. Not exactly like France, Russia, or Germany.

And everyone gets this 180 degrees wrong. This  is the land where 2 cowboys could meet in a field with Colt revolvers and Bowie knives  and walk away after a chat. There are households with more weaponry than their local police (include me here). Our safety is our collective distaste for what we know we are capable of.

I do worry this lesson is being lost, particularly in young leftists, but is still our heritage. We've never been a people who do what we're capable of. We "pick on someone our own size", "don't kick a man who is down", "don't punch below the belt". It gives me hope when I see a people who in the throws of combat hold their ethics.

Not a reason to not prep but maybe a reason to keep the candle of hope burning. These are trying times but this people defeated slavery and the Nazis. We've made mistakes but I think we can move forward.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on November 18, 2019, 01:50:55 PM
Number one hot spot, heed the words:

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=14000 (https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=14000)
However, despite her experience, Kestecher, who is only in her first semester of college, says she’s willing to stay involved in politics: “The more that they push back on me the more I’m going to keep pushing forward.”
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on November 24, 2019, 08:20:30 AM
Media refuses to cover it, but patience is gone with the blocking of traffic by ANTIFA and Extinction Rebellion.  Seen dozens of incidences like this in Poland and UK:

https://twitter.com/BasedPoland/status/1197894502758912005?s=19 (https://twitter.com/BasedPoland/status/1197894502758912005?s=19)

Lots of reports again of importing of baseball bats into these countries where people don't play baseball.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on December 05, 2019, 02:22:10 PM
Gotta love the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/amp/internacional-50593015 (https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/amp/internacional-50593015)
Americans preparing for an 'apocalypse' caused by political polarization
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: FreeLancer on December 05, 2019, 02:31:10 PM
Portuguese?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on December 12, 2019, 01:13:54 PM
Put yourself in the shoes of my boring conservative parents. I mean the people who go to the early church service because it's more conservative. They're going to witness the impeachment of their president over a 2 minute phone call while the previous president used the IRS to target conservatives and ferried rifles to Mexican drug cartels.

Oh but that's all "whataboutism" and there is no history.

If you can look at this and not think the conservatives are getting hot under the collar look again. I mean there's the super criminal act of asking a Ukraine president to look into criminal actions which is definitely not the normal presidential behavior of turning Syria into a slave state, fomenting false wars in Iraq, using the IRS as a weapon, handing guns to narcos, getting blown by your intern, or hanging with Jeff Epstein.

What scares me about conservatives... They're right. Liberal women will line up to falsify rape charges at Kavinaugh. The media will blame schoolchildren who were assaulted by a drummer.

When I talk to my boring conservative parents.... They kinda get this. Liberals will accuse them of rape out of thin air. Liberal presidents will audit them. The IRS is a liberal weapon. The CIA and FBI are run by former Marxists. The socialist left runs this country.

Pretend I'm an insane person but just walk it through. If I was to say that the boring churchgoing conservatives were being targeted by the IRS, CIA, FBI, and men who fuck their interns would I be wrong?

There's a nugget of truth here. Righteous and violent is a bad combination.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Black November on December 12, 2019, 04:36:54 PM
Practice de-escalation techniques

https://www.policeone.com/police-training/articles/shift-briefing-series-taking-an-integrated-approach-to-de-escalation-wyT6oh4ZXMEYGItl/ (https://www.policeone.com/police-training/articles/shift-briefing-series-taking-an-integrated-approach-to-de-escalation-wyT6oh4ZXMEYGItl/)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on December 12, 2019, 08:12:05 PM
Portuguese?

BBC often does articles in multiple languages.  Press the button for English.  If the browser isn't compatible, google translate can do it:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/internacional-50593015&prev=search (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/internacional-50593015&prev=search)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on December 13, 2019, 09:33:03 AM
There's a certain point where you find yourself in a Lincolnian total war and it really doesn't matter if you're the anti-slavery southerner when Sherman burns your fields and starves your kids. Ifyou are a prominent conservative women will falsely accuse you of rape and face no consequence.

The conservative neo-Trumpian backlash is clear. He gets excoriated for "mean tweets" and faces impeachment over completely made up Russian hoax and a phone call to a Ukrainian. And I'll say it... Hunter Biden belongs in prison. So do the democrats behind the IRS scandal, Fast & Furious, whoever greenlit using drones on Americans, and Hillary Clinton for going on national TV to joke about a Libyan president who was sodomized to death with a bayonet while that shellshocked country devolved under her watch to the point of open air child sex slave markets. Joe Biden can sniff fondle little girls because he votes the right way.

Understand to my parents I'm a wild eyed libertarian anarchist but they aren't wrong when they get incensed. My dad had to go to Vietnam and suffer napalm burns to fight the communists who later controlled the FBI (James Comey advocated an unconditional surrender by Reagan to the Soviets and the disarming of the American populous).

So when I look at conservatives nowadays they have no time for warhawks like the neocons Bush or Hillary or John McCain who gave weapons to ISIS. Conservatism is rediscovering their Burkean history and guys like Paul Gottfried are cropping up again. Whatever is happening in conservatism is a radical shift. If I was to say in 2003 that by 2019 the conservatives would rediscover anti-militarism and "America First" nobody would have believed me. It's rather telling to hear dad say this "isn't the country I bled for" or mom donating her Ayn Rand books to local libraries.

I can't really put my finger on this but there is something happening under umbrella "conservatism". When I talk to my dad and he has gone from saying he could never again hold a gun because of the unspeakable horrors of Vietnam to nowadays talking about getting that AR something has changed. I don't know what this means but I'm very sympathetic to conservatives who look as liberals run roughshod over our laws with no consequence. Maybe part of it is that I came from conservatism so I speak their language and boy is that language changing.

I wish I had clearer thoughts here. I will say the Democrats are going unabashed socialist, the Republicans are going old-school and us libertarians are digging out of a dumpster fire as the Mises caucus tries to supplant the beltway types. It's a weird time and our bedfellows have never been stranger. Does that make for violence? Don't know.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: fritz_monroe on December 13, 2019, 01:36:02 PM
David, you've mentioned a couple of times about your conservative parents.  You mentioned that because you came from conservatives, you speak their language.

Keep in mind that in the minds of the radical left, unless you have the same views as they have, you are the enemy.  So to them, you are conservative, just like your parents.

I'm center and lean a bit conservative, and I know that in their eyes, I'm the enemy.  Let's not forget that as a white male, I'm the root of everything evil.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: LvsChant on December 13, 2019, 03:24:28 PM
I was also raised by very conservative parents and still consider myself pretty conservative in many things. I think I'm more libertarian than Republican these days, but still find myself voting against the crazy socialists and their local bond issues, so the end result is often the same as before.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on December 13, 2019, 08:08:09 PM
Who could have ever predicted this?

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/breaking-antifa-protests-in-london-following-conservative-landslide-win/ (https://www.thepostmillennial.com/breaking-antifa-protests-in-london-following-conservative-landslide-win/)
BREAKING: Antifa protests in London following Conservative landslide win

The British capital descended into chaos as the Met Police struggled to contain protesters connected to antifa, socialist and communist groups. They had shut down the streets in and around Westminster. They demanded a “revolution” and the ousting of the Conservatives.

Protesters disobeyed police orders and shoved officers who attempted to block them from certain routes. At one point, officers brandished batons at the crowd to get them to comply.

The protesters held anti-Boris Johnson signs distributed by the Socialist Workers Party. Others, wearing masks, brandished antifa flags.

The on-going chaotic protest echoes left-wing demonstrations-turned-riots in the U.S. after Donald Trump’s electoral win in November 2016.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on December 14, 2019, 08:55:12 AM
Well you've got to look around at what is acceptable behavior. College liberals can do half a million in damage at Berkeley to prevent Ben Shapiro from talking. You can wear a Che Guevara shirt despite his being a child rapist. For all the manufactured outrage at Trump McCabe and Strozk were talking impeachment the day of the election so pardon my lack of belief in the impartiality of this process. Obama's heads of the FBI and CIA were communists. Every democrat running for president wants to use our taxes to pay for free heathcare for illegals. In our liberal bastion of NYC you can't get a 20 ounce soda and forget about a straw. And they are having serious talks over criminalizing "misgendering" while requiring I memorize all 75 genders.

Our FISA court will renew a search warrant based on the Steele dossier because it's OK for Hillary Clinton to use British and Ukraine intelligence but asking Zalinski to look into Hunter Biden is beyond the pale. I mean they guy has a multimillion dollar no-show job in a language he doesn't speak and pisses it away on cocaine and strippers but  he votes the right way.

And even if you get through the legal mess we still have Facebook execs openly talking about swinging elections for democrats at company meetings. Youtube demonetizes conservative channels. Twitter shadowbans right wingers. Our big tech is hand in glove with liberals.

My possessions are already illegal in California. Not just the guns but the varnishes and finishing products. I already have to sign off that I acknowledge wood is known to California to cause cancer. It's wood. It grows outside.

So where is this vast right wing power base? I don't see it anywhere. We won't even grant the presumption of innocence to Duke lacrosse players or Catholic schoolboys. Liberals openly talk about expanding abortion to after birth.

I'm sorry but as much as my libertarians are in a mess (the infighting resulting from Johnson/Weld is ugly) I can see the validity of conservative outrage.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on December 14, 2019, 11:36:49 AM
...This is a touchy subject, and I hope we can stick to the prepping topic, and not get into the politics of which side is right or wrong. ...

Please?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on December 14, 2019, 02:18:33 PM
Sorry if I got a little off my rocker. Happens. If I'm blunt the stuff that is scaring me is the transition period. If Obamacare was a disastrous launch what will putting 330,000,000 Americans on Medicare look like? I'm guessing some hiccups. And we have cities where the police won't show up if a theft is under $1000.

I'm not super worried about violence because the only 2 violent events where damage was done were Berkeley and Charlottesville and let's call a spade a spade that the big white supremecist event got 200 attendees. They couldn't sway a small town mayoral election. And if I'm blunt the Daily Stormer guys have fled the country, Matt Heimbach of the Traditionalist Workers' Party (the real Nazis) got caught banging his step-mom, and the "crying Nazi" Cantwell has been shut down on every platform including being denied banking services. And while I'd like to think the left should be better policed I can't imagine BAMN, ANTIFA, or itsgoingdown.org have many cheerleaders.

That's not to say I don't have concerns. I'm worried because groups like BLM have shut down freeways and local to me Identity Evropa have a following and believe me I know about RAMM and the "liftwaffe". Yes, neonazis who take steroids. What could go wrong? But these are all fringy and have no broad appeal. Even Joe Biden's endorsement of ANTIFA came off hamhanded and made him look foolish.

I guess I have more belief in the banality of evil.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Prepper456 on December 19, 2019, 01:25:18 PM
why do you think it wont get worse than berkeley and charlottesville by any side?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on January 14, 2020, 03:59:27 PM
So more perspective on what to prepare for given election outcomes.  Bernie Sanders staffers preparing to burn down Milwaukee, beat police,  and trigger widespread violence in certain cities if they lose.  If they win they are planning to set up gulags for everyone who voted against them because, you know, Stalin's gulags just got a bad rap...they were really great

https://washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/14/project-veritas-sanders-staffer-says-cities-burn-i/ (https://washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/14/project-veritas-sanders-staffer-says-cities-burn-i/)
Project Veritas: Sanders staffer says 'cities burn' if Trump reelected, predicts violence at DNC

A Project Veritas video released Tuesday showed a man identified as a campaign organizer for Sen. Bernard Sanders, a Democratic presidential candidate, saying “cities burn” if President Trump wins reelection and predicting violence against police at the 2020 Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee.
...
Asked what would happen if Mr. Trump is reelected, the man described as Sanders campaign field organizer Kyle Jurek said, “F–ing cities burn,” adding, “I mean, we don’t have a lot of time left, we have to save f–ing human civilization.”
...
“We’re going to make 1978 [1968] look like a f–ing Girl Scout f–ing cookout,” he said, adding, “The cops are going to be the ones that are getting f–ing beaten in Milwaukee. They’re going to call out the National Guard for that s—t. I promise you that.”

He was apparently referring to the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago, where police famously clashed with protesters.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: fritz_monroe on January 14, 2020, 04:12:11 PM
Wonder if anyone will be asking Bernie what he thinks about his campaign field organizer's statements. 

Oh, that's right, never mind.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on January 14, 2020, 04:31:58 PM
I hope someone does ask...Maybe trump officials will ask.....
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Redman on January 15, 2020, 06:02:22 AM
Sounds like that could be a terroristic threat. Is the guy still roaming the streets?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on January 17, 2020, 07:08:35 AM
Let me ask another serious question... We're a little from Iowa and Bernie just suffered a heart attack. Donald Trump eats like a teen pothead. What happens if we have an election and both candidates die? When Paul Wellstone died both parties turned it into a shit show. We had riots and school disruptions at colleges and roads were shut down. Then conservatives got on the air and said it was all lefty stuff and unemployed idiots (we know the drill) and even though every sane person walked back knowing that the timing was bad and it's hard to have the sudden death of a senator with no plan for memorial or succession there were plenty of idiots on both sides to fill that vacuum.

Party affiliation aside, Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Joe Biden are not young and not looking healthy or quick. And think of the damage Clinton did to herself in 2016 with her coughing fits and feinting out of her shoes. What would happen if the last savior political candidate (either side) dies?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on January 17, 2020, 07:31:47 AM
Party affiliation aside, Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Joe Biden are not young and not looking healthy or quick. And think of the damage Clinton did to herself in 2016 with her coughing fits and feinting out of her shoes. What would happen if the last savior political candidate (either side) dies?

That is a very good question.  Add Ginsburg to that mix as both sides violate so many election laws that the SCOTUS is always involved.

For republicans it is easy.  Pence would become nominee and probably add a senator as VP.  For dems it would become a bunch of lobsters in a bucket. Another interesting question is what becomes of the campaign war chests.  Those campaign treasurers would become very powerful political figures controlling the money.

In last debate Biden looked like he was having a series of mini-strokes.  He couldnt put two sentances together without stumbling.  His campaign also reportedly cut back on appearances after 8 PM.  Bernie looked remarkably good guven his heart condition. Pelosi this week has also been stumbling and rattling on so that noone understands what she is talking about.

Not sure how public would react.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on January 17, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
Of the bunch Biden looks the worst. And I'll confess I'd love to see an olive branch to Ginsberg and replace her with another she approves of because it's really hard to see a person who is clearly at the last stage clinging to her position for politics rather than being with her family.

There's a bigger story here I've been struggling with. It the whole "the parties are a shambles" thing. 2016 was a bloodbath for the Democrats and it's amazing how names like Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Donna Brazil just went away. The DNC establishment became a power vacuum. The Republicans have fared little better as Megyn Kelly scuttled her career and in the Trump/never Trump battle we lost National Review nad the neocons are on the fence.

Whether you like him or not John McCain (the slimy warmonger) went on the Tonight Show to laugh about conceding to Obama. That's a healing moment. That's like a stable system where we can healthily joke over our failures. When I was a kid being a D or an R wasn't a big deal because we looked up to charitable Carter and farmhand Reagan. But look at 2016... After cheating with the DNC to screw Bernie (and the Bernie people have earned the chip on their shoulder) and using CNN to plan debate questions Hillary couldn't so much as give a concession speech? And while I actually believe that Reagan just wanted to be the American cowboy and Carter just wanted to serve his neighbors (which I think of as American ideals) we've seen Bush and Obama just slink away instead of being elder statesmen.

I am struggling to articulate this. What I'm at is that I like slow moving agreeable politics where we laugh at ourselves and realize at the end of the day we just want to see happy kids and have a lemonade on the porch things go well. When the long established parties start going bump in the night and we get (jeeze) a new upstart like the Republicans we have a Civil War right behind them. Or the Democrats fractionalize and we have mayhem in Chicago and the National Guard establishing order on college campuses as the draft letters are sent out.

Michael Malice has a contextual (if not perfectly accurate) joke about nation-states. In one of their epic arguments Jefferson told Hamilton the British system was corrupt. Hamilton had a very sagacious reply that basically the slop in the system is what made it work. It's the House of Commons open insults and then tea time that hold it together. When you have events where rigid idealogues entrench the world falls apart.

I am very worried that both parties are dissolving into frayed fractions. Pelosi has lost control and the new voice of the right is Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity? Do you remember like 20 years ago when Tucker sparred with Paul Begala and Hannity had to deal with the snipey comedian Colmes?

Maybe I'm all wet. But this is the big disaster I see coming. Both world wars were nothing more than unwavering political factions and our own Civil War was an event where thousands of young men showed up with dad's rifle and a Bowie knife. As much as I hate politicians having one to pump the brakes is almost always a blessing.

Soapbox rant over. I hope I was cohesive... 2nd cup of coffee and all.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: cmxterra on January 23, 2020, 04:18:37 PM
Scanned the other responses.. did someone mention soft and perhaps hard body armor? Not that I see myself going walkabout and needing it but if the S really hits the F then even those in stationary OPLP positions would benefit from a little ballistic protection.

Water, food and fuel are easy ones.

Black plastic for those in urban environments to keep good light control if things go dark.

A well stocked GHB is a must.

Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on January 23, 2020, 08:43:03 PM
If your working on government projects, probably good idea to carry.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-allegedly-kills-pro-trump-boss-argument-throws/story?id=68444984 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-allegedly-kills-pro-trump-boss-argument-throws/story?id=68444984)
Man allegedly kills pro-Trump boss after argument, throws American flag on his body

A construction worker in Florida has been accused of murdering his pro-Trump boss with a trowel after a political argument on the construction site where they both worked and then throwing an American flag on the man’s body.

The incident occurred on Monday morning at approximately 10:30 a.m. when emergency dispatchers received a call from co-workers saying that Mason Trever Toney, 28, had stabbed and killed their boss, 28-year-old William Steven Knight on the Florida Turnpike job site, according to the arrest affidavit obtained by ABC News’ Orlando affiliate WFTV.

The Orange County Sheriff’s Office says that the murder appears related to a political dispute between the men. Knight was a big supporter of President Donald Trump while Toney was anti-government.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on January 24, 2020, 08:21:11 AM
I'd be very scared to be in Milwaukee during the convention. Forget about a couple of Bernie guys talking about burning it; I'm more scared of the dirty tricks catching up with people. Warren and Clinton have both insulted Bernie directly as it seems the more establishment types prefer Biden. Bloomberg is playing dirty by buying up ads and driving up the price.

Now I know that dirty tricks are part of politics and the RNC was no better in mistreating Ron Paul and (lesser extent) Donald Trump. I even see the parallels between Paul and Sanders as they are outsiders so having rigid party types work against them is almost normal. But this right off an election where dirty tricks cost Bernie a shot at Trump and for all their scheming the Hillary plan went bust.

Add to that Pelosi has to oversee the event as chair which means giving boring speeches and gladhanding while Trump and AOC fan the flames live Tweeting the event.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on February 04, 2020, 11:33:47 AM
Wow. If Iowa doesn't vote correctly they can just ignore the results. You expect me to believe that the one caucus state that Joe Biden ignored like an idiot can't count votes? This is the most underhanded do-over gift to the Biden campaign ever. The DNC found a way to shaft Bernie yet again.

Get ready to see some sparks. The dirty tricks are just starting.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: robkaiser.me on February 04, 2020, 11:50:27 AM
A well stocked GHB is a must.

Pardon my ignorance, but "GHB"?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on February 04, 2020, 12:15:23 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but "GHB"?

"Get Home Bag".  Like a bugout bag, but in reverse. 8)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on February 04, 2020, 01:43:52 PM
Wow. If Iowa doesn't vote correctly they can just ignore the results. You expect me to believe that the one caucus state that Joe Biden ignored like an idiot can't count votes? This is the most underhanded do-over gift to the Biden campaign ever. The DNC found a way to shaft Bernie yet again.

Get ready to see some sparks. The dirty tricks are just starting.

You can bet yer fat bippy it's held up cuzz they don't like the numbers.
3 different systems to count the votes and........bam, the rubber band broke supposedly.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 04, 2020, 04:02:05 PM
You can bet yer fat bippy it's held up cuzz they don't like the numbers.
3 different systems to count the votes and........bam, the rubber band broke supposedly.

As they say in South Bend, former Mayor Pete kicked their dupa's.  They couldnt let a Midwesterner embarass them like that.  Bernie bros are as peeved as the Bidenites.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: robkaiser.me on February 05, 2020, 06:51:32 AM
"Get Home Bag".  Like a bugout bag, but in reverse. 8)

About 10 minutes after typing this, I realized this and thought "duh"

Grateful to be refocusing and getting back to this mindset in addition to everything else

What an interesting few years it's been!
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on February 06, 2020, 11:48:38 AM
As they say in South Bend, former Mayor Pete kicked their dupa's.  They couldnt let a Midwesterner embarass them like that.  Bernie bros are as peeved as the Bidenites.

My Polish grandfather delighted in calling me a dupa yash. Polish for dumbass. I love the "old world" insults.

It is rather a scary thing that Iowa won't certify anything. It's a very large democratic field and the purpose of the caucus is to narrow it down and get to a candidate. I don't know how democrats show up to the caucus only to have the results flushed away. For the DNC to have monkeyed with the 2016 primary and now get right into 2020 with underhanded tricks to not certify a winner based on a voting app programmed by a Clinton stooge is nuts.

I can't believe I'm saying this but it looks like the DNC will negate voter turn out in favor of a brokered convention. We are watching the implosion of half of the polity in this country. What happens when Bernie wins in New Hampshire? Gonna ignore that one too?

As wrongheaded and fractionalized as the Republicans are over Trump these Democratic plays are literally taking power back from the voters and grassroots liberals. It looks ugly and the convention is poised to be a war.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: fritz_monroe on February 06, 2020, 03:49:10 PM
As wrongheaded and fractionalized as the Republicans are over Trump these Democratic plays are literally taking power back from the voters and grassroots liberals. It looks ugly and the convention is poised to be a war.
You know what's so amazing to me is that they all hate Trump so much that they will do just about anything to get him out of office.

But not a single candidate will drop out of the primary early on in order to not make enemies of the other voters in the party.  They will all go to the end insulting each other and telling the voters how horrible candidate XYZ is.  Then when candidate XYZ gets the nomination, they are all surprised when the voters won't vote for the person that they have been told is so horrible.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on February 07, 2020, 12:12:47 PM
You know what's so amazing to me is that they all hate Trump so much that they will do just about anything to get him out of office.

But not a single candidate will drop out of the primary early on in order to not make enemies of the other voters in the party.  They will all go to the end insulting each other and telling the voters how horrible candidate XYZ is.  Then when candidate XYZ gets the nomination, they are all surprised when the voters won't vote for the person that they have been told is so horrible.

Yes but the whole purpose of the caucus is to give context, narrow the field, and let the winner give a big speech that solidifies the base. That's what Obama did and it's kind of the process we follow. For the Iowa Democrats to not certify for days and then claim a 2 vote gap between Pete and Bernie while Biden fared horribly feels like the deep state antics of 2016. I'm all for being honest and if Pete and Bernie are too close to call you admit it and move on but for them to not give the wind to their backs and not admit that Biden languished in 4th is a little more than dishonest.

If I'm honest both parties look really fragile and the Democrats' antics belie the complete sham of the primary season. More and more I see a violent brokered convention that rips the party in half. This is the ugly Tammany Hall politics we were all supposed to oppose. And don't think the RNC is any better. They'll be lucky to pull off a convention if Trump decides not to go and sticks to Twitter.

Iowa was a bellweather. They could have said it was neck and neck with Pete and Bernie. That would have been honest. But they chose not to certify anything for days sucking the wind from the sails of the lead horses (too many metaphors I apologize) and letting the clear winners have no moment in the sun.

This is what scares me. If you want a formula for angry violent people whose votes were not counted it's starting to happen.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: ChEng on February 07, 2020, 04:08:56 PM
This does look kind of scary. I've told Mrs. ChEng that the day before November's Election Tuesday we are going to have two 5-gallon gas cans and the car's tank filled up. Then on Election Tuesday, we will vote early, and then go out to a motel, a bit outside the city. We haven't had a couple-time vacation for a LONG time, anyway.  ;D We'll take some of our prep stuff, and pack it in the car, just in case we need to stay out of town more than a couple of nights.

When ever we go on a planned outage, we pack and take our "vacation" backpacks, and still keep our 72-hour kits in the trunk of our car, so we will have extra clothes. We can also get at our retirement fund (nation-wide company,) and get a withdrawal sent to our bank (headquartered in a small town about 100 miles outside Pittsburgh) within a couple of days.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: fritz_monroe on February 07, 2020, 04:49:54 PM
Yes but the whole purpose of the caucus is to give context, narrow the field, and let the winner give a big speech that solidifies the base.
Yeah, I get that's what it is for.  My main point is that instead of talking about how great they are, they talk about how horrible the opponent is.  Then are always shocked at how the public can't vote for the person that they spent the past 6 months talking about how horrible they would be for the office.

If they were serious about getting Trump out, the candidates and the DNC would meet and discuss who has the best chance of winning and they would all get behind that person.  Of course each of them thinks that they have the best shot. 
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 07, 2020, 04:58:16 PM
Good news is, the Iowa caucuses were peaceful.  Some of Bernie's group got upset when they were outmanuevered during realignment in some precincts.  But they didnt riot, just loudly stormed out.  Lesson for them is if you have a bunch of scary acting (and according to many reports, doped up and smelly) people caucusing for you, dont expect others to want to join them.  Buttigieg's people were articulate and polite even to those with whom they severely disagreed. For example: https://youtu.be/mV1CkKDWUeI (https://youtu.be/mV1CkKDWUeI)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 07, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
However, things are already getting pretty bad on many of the college campuses.  Might be wise to bug out beforehand if you are a student on a radical campus.

https://twitter.com/sft_asu/status/1225214752068030464 (https://twitter.com/sft_asu/status/1225214752068030464)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on February 08, 2020, 07:56:38 AM
But it's already a failure of the primary system. This is supposed to be a unifying process where you win in the first 3 caucus/primary states and become the frontrunner. It's not supposed to be a herky jerky process where we offer no guidance because the DNC candidate came in 4th.

This is the ugly politics where loud minority groups of polity get emboldened. We are smack in the middle of the Stalinist quote of not caring who votes but caring who counts the votes. And not even on a grand scale. This was a cluster (you know what) for 170,000 Iowans. Not even a good turnout.

If the DNC is going to keep Biden alive Milwaukee will host a convention with 5 viable candidates. And we're tossing the voter out in favor of the smoky back rooms.

I'm not claiming violence will occur. But the seeds of division have been sowed deep. This election does scare me.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Carver on February 08, 2020, 08:14:22 AM
The potential for violence is increasing with the increasing inevitable reelection of Trump.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: mountainmoma on February 08, 2020, 12:06:31 PM
I live in an area that was Bernie-all-the-way last election, and they know he was cheated of nomination votes ( at least, if not the nomination; they feel, for good reason, the nomination) I dont know if they will finally see the light if the party machine, again, messes with the democratic voters will and do something ( reform the party rules ? Get involved ? Make a new party ? ) This is also an area where I just stayed home, out of many public areas, for a couple years after the last election as people were just out of their minds, not violent, but only because anyone of a different mindset just stayed away from them.  This county has a large minority voted for President Trump ( the state electral votes all went to Secretary Clinton, of course) I cant find that data, but the state itself did go 30% to President Trump in the election, 7% or more went to 3rd party candidates, making almost 40% not Sec. Clinton, that is sizable enough that people should not be violently villifying such a large portion of their fellow people, but the anti-Trumpsters dont seem to notice that, and certainly dont acknowledge that.  This county, in the primary in 2016, went heavily to Bernie Sanders over Sec. Clinton. 

So, as far as future violence.  This area is not known for violent attacks.  On the other hand, nobody "tried it out" by openly saying what they realy feel or who they realy voted for.  Everyone kind of unsaid knows that there is danger of cars damaged, people pushed, hit or harrassed, business boycotted and shut down ( this happened in one case already, seems that campaign contributions are public record), and alot of other social fallout.  Seems this area is kind of a political dont ask dont tell.  Which is actually stifling.  The majority think they are inclusive, but in actuallity are the most non-inclusive you could meet.  I often thought about trying it out in public, just calmly knit with the wrong hat or t shirt on to show this, but I am not up to the abuse. 

I certainly would not want to be in the downtown area after the election, I will stay home for a while again
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on February 08, 2020, 12:59:54 PM
The potential for violence is increasing with the increasing inevitable reelection of Trump.

I'm not sure it's inevitable yet, but the Democrats are trying their best to make it so.  Front runners: a guy who can't beat Trump because he's a socialist antique, a guy who can't beat Trump because he's gay, a gal who can't beat Trump because she's a gal, and a guy who can't beat Trump because he's Biden.  Sheesh.

But this is sorta changing my view of what might happen come election day.  If there's a general belief that Trump's re-election is inevitable, then if he does lose, a whole lot of people will declare the results fake.  That could get very nasty very fast.

On the other hand, if Trump wins, there's a whole lot of discontent ready to boil over, and we already know there's a minority of the anti-Trump side that will become violent.  But it's hard to predict what their targets will be.  Most of the violent ones are so stupid that they think firebombing Starbucks is a great blow against the tyrants.

Also, I think a lot depends on which party takes control of the Senate.  I think many people realize that gridlock protects us.  If one party gets the White House and both houses of Congress, extremists of the other party will be more energized than if control is split.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Carver on February 08, 2020, 01:34:08 PM
Quote
I'm not sure it's inevitable yet, but the Democrats are trying their best to make it so.
I would've agree with that until this past week's events. The acquittal, the Democrats loss of their court case, the SOTU address and Pelosi's hysterical antics; but more than anything the liberal media reaction to the Democrat debate Friday night. James Carville, Bill Mahrer, Van Jones, Chris Matthews and others have pretty much given up hope.
Not that it is a good thing, the total loss of any hope of winning the election when they will do anything to prevent his reelection means that they will do anything.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: mountainmoma on February 08, 2020, 05:15:20 PM
The potential for violence is increasing with the increasing inevitable reelection of Trump.

Well, I agree that the other party acts out more when upset.  I was talking about this when visiting someone out of state a few months ago, lets call him "Hill".  Hill was originally from around here, in my county,  and now lives in a much more conservative county out of state.  He was complaining about how another county resident likes to drive around in his truck with a large trump sign and American flag flying off the back.  He felt this wasnt very inclusive.  I asked him if anyone was ever harrassed, or would be harrased if the had a "Hillary 2016" or similar bumper sticker, etc...  He admitted, no, he wouldnt see anyone doing that.  I then asked, well, if someone had a large Make America Great sign, or large flag off their truck, or even a "Trump 2016" bumper sticker back in this county, what would happen.  And Hill agreed that vandalism, property destruction, public harrassment of the person would result.  SO I made my point of which group is actually inclusive and which one isnt !

Point being, I agree that we have more potential for violence if President Trump wins than the other way around.  It is obvious which group has the larger propensity for low to medium level violence.  (  Of course, if there was ever a real reason that got the other side riled up, gun confiscation, etc... well, then we would see some real violence.  Dont poke the Bear !)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 09, 2020, 09:32:04 AM
! Point being, I agree that we have more potential for violence if President Trump wins than the other way around.  It is obvious which group has the larger propensity for low to medium level violence.  (  Of course, if there was ever a real reason that got the other side riled up, gun confiscation, etc... well, then we would see some real violence.  Dont poke the Bear !)

Lots of talk on twitter that republican registration booths are arming up based on this incident:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/driver-in-florida-plows-into-gop-voter-registration-tent-nearly-hitting-6-volunteers-reports.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/driver-in-florida-plows-into-gop-voter-registration-tent-nearly-hitting-6-volunteers-reports.amp)
Driver in Florida plows van into GOP voter registration tent, nearly hitting 6 volunteers: reports

Authorities in Florida were searching Saturday night for a driver who they claim drove his van into a Republican Party voter registration tent in a shopping center parking lot, just missing six volunteers working there.
...
Volunteer Mark Alfieri gave FOX 30 his account of what happened.

“Kind of out of the blue, a man approached us in a van, was waving at us, kind of a friendly demeanor, thought he was coming up to talk to us. Instead he accelerated his vehicle and plowed right into our tent, our tables,”
...
“After he ran over everything, he backed up, took out a cell phone, kind of recorded the damage, made some obscene gestures at us and then proceeded to leave the complex.”

Jacksonville Mayor Lenny Curry called the incident "outrageous."

"The hate is toxic and dangerous," the mayor wrote on Twitter. "Thankfully no one was injured but certainly they are shaken after being targeted because they were registering voters."
...
Florida's two U.S. senators -- Marco Rubio and Rick Scott -- also commented.

"Thanking God that no one was injured in today's politically motivated attack against @DuvalGOP volunteers today," Rubio wrote.

"This appears to be a politically-motivated attack on hard-working volunteers in Duval County," Scott added. "Thankful that no one was hurt. @DuvalGOP will not be silenced or intimidated."

Jacksonville authorities said the driver intentionally tried to strike the tent with his vehicle, the Florida Times-Union reported.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 09, 2020, 10:39:55 AM
FYI.  Looks like they caught the van guy.  Apparently he is a well known ANTIFA, Bernie Bro, and entertainment labor union member (IATSE Local 115) and has history of violence and other criminality.  Police say it is amazing no-one was killed just injured as he barrelled straight towards them.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQUpS1-U4AACPZh?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on February 09, 2020, 11:35:54 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on February 09, 2020, 12:33:19 PM
Great, a left-wing Charlottesville copycat.  Here's local coverage, updated 2 hours ago:

News4JAX: Man accused of driving through Republican voter registration tent arrested (https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/02/08/police-van-drives-through-republican-partys-voter-registration-tent/)

He had a court appearance scheduled for 1PM Eastern time today, so perhaps there will be another update later.

Maybe we can just lock the neo-Nazis and the Antifas in a demolition derby arena together?

EDITED TO ADD:

Not a lot of info here:

First Coast News: What we know about Gregory William Loel Timm, man accused of driving into Jacksonville Republican voter registration tent (https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/crime/what-we-know-about-gregory-william-loel-timm-man-accused-of-driving-into-jacksonville-republican-voter-registration-tent/77-aa234040-c3b6-4524-9ebd-74afcc1eb97c)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on February 09, 2020, 12:41:08 PM
Apparently he is a well known ANTIFA

This would not surprise me in the least.  But I haven't been able to find anything online about the antifa connection -- got a link?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on February 09, 2020, 01:41:55 PM
So it's started.......
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 09, 2020, 07:15:03 PM
Well this is interesting.  Some police groups are openly declaring war on democratic politicians for supporting violent, anti-cop groups. See twitter link from one group below.  This could get interesting...

https://twitter.com/SBANYPD/status/1226622830244171781?s=19 (https://twitter.com/SBANYPD/status/1226622830244171781?s=19)
Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!

Background: https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-bronx-police-shooting.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-bronx-police-shooting.amp)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on February 10, 2020, 06:51:34 AM
Twitter and Reddit are a mess. Lots of claims that the coinflips were unfair (and the videos look bad if they are an accurate depiction). I don't know what went on in Iowa but to believe this was on the straight and narrow feels very wrong.

As silly as it sounds Bernie Sanders may sue Iowa if they certify Buttigeg. I don't know what that would accomplish as the court case would likely be resolved after it would matter to the election.

Add all the former Clinton people who now run the DNC and this has the feel of 2016 all over again. Forget about the Ds and Rs fighting it out in the streets. It's the Ds and the Ds that have the momentum now.

The closer this election gets the further I want to be from it.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on February 10, 2020, 02:39:10 PM
Tiny bit more about the Jacksonville incident:

AP, 2/10/20: Man who drove van at GOP voter sign-up worked as stage hand (http://Man who drove van at GOP voter sign-up worked as stage hand)

Quote
...Gregory Timm, 27, was a stage hand who had been referred work through the local International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, according to the arrest report released Sunday.

Jail booking information said he had lived in Jacksonville for two years.

The heavily redacted arrest report didn't offer a motive for the Saturday incident and didn't reveal Timm's political affiliations. Records from Arizona showed Timm registered to vote in 2011 as a “non-partisan." Florida records showed no voter registration information for him. ...
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on February 12, 2020, 01:40:00 PM
Pew Research Center has survey data regarding Americans' willingness to accept election results:

Question: Generally speaking, how much confidence, if any, do you have in the American people to accept election results regardless of who wins?

|--Total US adults--||--Democrat or D-leaning--||--Republican or R-leaning--|
Great deal of confidence:
11%
12%
11%
Fair amount of confidence:
40%
44%
36%
Not too much confidence:
38%
35%
41%
No confidence at all:
10%
9%
12%
Refused to answer:
1%
1%
0%

Note that the question was "how much confidence do you have in the American people to accept election results?" and not "how likely are you personally to accept election results?".  But this is still a bit ominous.  10% of us have no confidence that the people will accept the results, and another 38% are dubious.

The main focus of this survey was on how these attitudes correlate with how interested we are in political news, and where we get our political news.  That's covered more in this article:

2/12/20: Confidence in public acceptance of election results connects to following political news, relying on social media (https://www.journalism.org/2020/02/12/confidence-in-public-acceptance-of-election-results-connects-to-following-political-news-relying-on-social-media/)

Quote
...Americans’ confidence in the public’s willingness to accept election results regardless of who wins – a fundamental underpinning of our electoral system – is only modestly tied to party identification. Instead, it appears to have a closer relationship to how intensely U.S. adults engage with political and election news...  The more closely someone follows political news, the more confidence that person has that election results will be accepted. And those differences cross party boundaries. ...

Reliance on social media for political news also appears to be a factor in someone’s confidence in the acceptance of election results. Americans who get most of their political news on social media display less confidence in the public’s acceptance of election results, regardless of the winner, than those who mostly get this news in other ways such as cable TV, news websites or print newspapers. ...

Interactive tool available here: https://www.pewresearch.org/pathways-2020/confvaluesa/
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: FreeLancer on February 12, 2020, 03:27:10 PM
That is a bit ominous.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 12, 2020, 03:43:36 PM
But how is this any different from 2016?  No one from the winning side will have an issue.  Just the 40ish percent of losing side.  This will just be 10% to 20% of the populace (depending how independents fall).

https://news.gallup.com/poll/197441/accept-trump-legitimate-president.aspx (https://news.gallup.com/poll/197441/accept-trump-legitimate-president.aspx)
In U.S., 84% Accept Trump as Legitimate President

Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on February 12, 2020, 08:03:43 PM
No one from the winning side will have an issue.  Just the 40ish percent of losing side.

Well, that brings up an interesting question.  How does our forecast of violence change depending on the size of the margin of victory?

If the popular vote results are close to 50:50, there's a clear opportunity for the losing side to claim carefully targeted vote fraud in a few key swing states.

If it's 60:40, I think many people would not be expecting such a huge landslide, and we'll be hearing claims of massive vote fraud, hacking, interference by foreign governments, etc.  That would be a different flavor of "sore-loser-itis".
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on February 13, 2020, 08:24:58 AM
I don't know how this media created "popular vote" became a thing. I realize it's a push to isolate power in New York and California (ironically media hubs) but it's got nothing to do with American presidential elections.

I will say I hve zero confidence in the system. The voting machines are less secure than a run of the mill ATM. The electoral college is apportioned on census data which counts everyone. Do a quick thought experiment and imagine you live in a city with 999,999 illegal immigrants. Your one vote carries a million electoral college votes. If you think this doesn't have an effect on where we build section 8, prisons, or locate refugees think again. For all the kvetching about a non-existent popular vote from people in "sanctuary cities" they ought to settle down and look at how the numbers are being fudged in their way.

Add to that we have seen repeated debacles. We've had them in MN, Florida in 2000 was a complete breakdown, and the recent Iowa caucus looks like a rigged game unless you believe Mayor Pete can't lose a coin toss because he's just that lucky.

But I don't feel that this lack of confidence actually leads to violence. It's not good but when people like me see all the faults and rigging and gerrymandering I think it produces a "tune out" effect more than a reaction.

There i another side that has some ire for me. The media have squandered any credibility. From reporting Hillary would win by 97% to telling us Biden was the lead horse in the primary to unbelievable antics like having Hillary read emails from a fake resolute desk as though she was president we live in a complete "Dewey Defeats Truman" world of constant lies.

I'm hopeful the lack of faith in the system leads to more people who think like me. I get nervous about people who believe in these things.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 13, 2020, 05:42:21 PM
Just a normal day.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-hampshire-man-arrested-after-allegedly-assaulting-pro-trump-teen-polling-site.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-hampshire-man-arrested-after-allegedly-assaulting-pro-trump-teen-polling-site.amp)
New Hampshire man arrested after allegedly assaulting pro-Trump teen at polling site

https://www.newsweek.com/republican-congressional-candidate-claims-threatened-antifa-1485789 (https://www.newsweek.com/republican-congressional-candidate-claims-threatened-antifa-1485789)
PELOSI'S GOP CHALLENGER SHARES VIDEO OF PROTESTER THREATENING HIM IN SAN FRANCISCO: 'I ACTUALLY WANT YOU DEAD'

https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/suspect-back-out-on-the-street-after-arrest-for-attempted-arson-at-eureka-gop-office (https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/suspect-back-out-on-the-street-after-arrest-for-attempted-arson-at-eureka-gop-office)
Suspect back out on the street after arrest for attempted arson at Eureka GOP office

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-is-antifa (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-is-antifa)
What is antifa, the far-left group tied to violent protests?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on February 13, 2020, 06:29:23 PM
I don't usually go for "false flag" stories, but this one seems to have some evidence behind it.  Although it's not directly related to elections or candidates, it's an example of the sort of fakery we've seen in the past (yes, from both sides) and are likely to see in the future.

Quartz, 2/11/20: Disgruntled Civil War reenactor allegedly framed Antifa by fabricating threats against his unit (https://qz.com/1800988/antifa-falsely-accused-of-threatening-civil-war-group/)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 14, 2020, 07:31:26 AM
Another example of what is happening on college campuses: this time University of California Santa Cruz:

https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/02/13/caught-on-video-lefty-thugs-trash-college-republican-display-at-university-of-california-santa-cruz/ (https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/02/13/caught-on-video-lefty-thugs-trash-college-republican-display-at-university-of-california-santa-cruz/)
Caught on Video: Lefty Thugs Trash College Republican Display at University of California, Santa Cruz
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: fritz_monroe on February 14, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
Caught on Video: Lefty Thugs Trash College Republican Display at University of California, Santa Cruz
Interesting that I did a Google search on "College Republican Display at University of California, Santa Cruz" and the only MSM source on the 1st page is The Washington Examiner, if we can call them main stream.  Then on page 2 is Fox News.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: mountainmoma on February 14, 2020, 02:46:17 PM
Interesting that I did a Google search on "College Republican Display at University of California, Santa Cruz" and the only MSM source on the 1st page is The Washington Examiner, if we can call them main stream.  Then on page 2 is Fox News.

There is nothing in the local paper, and no expectations there would be, it is so routine it is not news.  But also, this is happening at the same time there is a HUGE illegal strike happening on UCSC campus, blocking the main entrance, with arrests, so basically the local news is about the huge protest/strike and the tearing down of the banner is just not going to make the news. 

I watched the clip and basically the person who tore down the banner, cursed, spit on the flag, etc.... knows there will be no repercussions.  It is not fair of course, if one of the college republicans had trashed her political booth it would have made the news and been classified as a hate crime.  If they had defended themselves or their booth, ie., not let her thru, the same.  We have made protected classes of people and that never turns out well.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Carver on February 14, 2020, 09:19:56 PM
Quote
I watched the clip and basically the person who tore down the banner, cursed, spit on the flag, etc.... knows there will be no repercussions.
Today burning the American flag is freedom of speech, but to display it is hate speech.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: LeonardMaine on February 15, 2020, 04:07:31 AM
Honestly, I find this to be an impossible scenario. But for the sake of argument, I would prep like I would for any other crisis situation. Stock up on food, water, and try to provide protection for everyone in my household in case things escalate and become seriously violent.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on February 15, 2020, 08:55:43 AM
Honestly, I find this to be an impossible scenario. But for the sake of argument, I would prep like I would for any other crisis situation. Stock up on food, water, and try to provide protection for everyone in my household in case things escalate and become seriously violent.

I agree.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 15, 2020, 05:01:09 PM
Now they have moved to tacit endorsement.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQC0eZiWoAMCvwc?format=jpg&name=medium)

https://www.pressherald.com/2020/02/06/u-s-senate-candidate-selects-guillotine-as-symbol-of-the-work-we-have-to-do/ (https://www.pressherald.com/2020/02/06/u-s-senate-candidate-selects-guillotine-as-symbol-of-the-work-we-have-to-do/)
U.S. Senate candidate selects guillotine as ‘symbol of the work we have to do’
Bre Kidman said the campaign logo is meant to be a sign of revolution by the lower and middle classes


A U.S. Senate candidate in Maine has selected an unusual logo for campaign T-shirts – the guillotine – citing the need for a revolution to remove big money from politics.

The logo, unveiled this week by Democrat Bre Kidman, recalls the execution device known for its role in the 18th century French Revolution and is intended to symbolize revolt by low- and middle-income people, Kidman said.

“The guillotine is an image which calls to mind what people have done for revolution before,” said Kidman, an attorney who’s running for the seat held by Republican Sen. Susan Collins. “If we can find a better path to revolution than that we owe it to ourselves and our country.”
...
Kidman, who is non-binary and uses the pronoun “they,” said the logo is something they came up with out of frustration over the large amounts of money in politics.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: ChEng on February 16, 2020, 04:25:20 AM
...
Kidman, who is non-binary and uses the pronoun “they,” said the logo is something they came up with out of frustration over the large amounts of money in politics.[/i]
Just curious as to how much money is going into his campaign...  ::)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 16, 2020, 07:06:07 AM
Outside of normal protection, not one dime of taxpayer dollars should go to this.  They are private events and DNC and RNC should arrange for own security just like LNC does.  Especially the case for DNC which has contributed to growth of violent mobs.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/01/15/milwaukee-requests-50-million-federal-security-grant-2020-dnc/4483102002/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/01/15/milwaukee-requests-50-million-federal-security-grant-2020-dnc/4483102002/)
Milwaukee requests $50 million federal security grant for 2020 Democratic National Convention
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on February 16, 2020, 07:49:04 AM
Milwaukee is a real risk. That's the city where officers took off their badges to club hippies. When I was a kid it was common knowledge your elevator ride from jail to the courtroom came with a beating. Milwaukee police (I was born there) have a reputation. They don't care about a 17 year old with a beer. But you disturb the public and it's hammers and tongs.

Also bear in mind Milwaukee isn't a big enough city to hold a convention. It's kind of a sprawling blue collar rebuilding industrial town. The tallest building in Wisconsin is 42 floors. That's not to say you wouldn't have fun with me hitting blues clubs on the East Side or getting food in the 3rd ward; it is a wonderful city (as all are) but it's not a big downtown. It's a city where you can't walk from dinner to the theater.

So I mechanically look at Milwaukee and think people will be hotelling all around the city. There are only so many ins and outs because of the river and being smushed on the lake and anything that goes wrong will be amplified. On a normal day you only have I43 and I45 to go south and north and they are gridlock. I assume the zoo and Mitchell interchanges will be a disaster. Speaking of Mitchell Milwaukee has a very small airport due to proximity to O'hare and it won't handle it well.

The convention has a lot of concerns for me.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 17, 2020, 10:01:05 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/startling-threats-and-violence-against-gop-voters-part-of-a-pattern.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/startling-threats-and-violence-against-gop-voters-part-of-a-pattern.amp)
Startling threats and violence against GOP voters: Part of a pattern?

Meanwhile, one of Bernie Sanders' own campus organizers wrestles with him for microphone while topless accomplices dowse themselves and the stage with unidentified red liquid.  Ben & Jerry would not approve.   Seriously, given how frail he is, he needs better security vetting.  Secret Service shouldnt have to keep jumping in.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8010713/Topless-animal-rights-protester-confronts-Bernie-Sanders-Nevada-campaign-rally.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8010713/Topless-animal-rights-protester-confronts-Bernie-Sanders-Nevada-campaign-rally.html)
Topless animal rights protesters confront Bernie Sanders at Nevada campaign rally and demand he drop his support for dairy farmers
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on February 18, 2020, 01:00:43 PM
Maybe a reprise... Biden and Warren are being handed their walking papers if nothing changes. That's how it's supposed to work. Still it's pretty divided between Bernie's crowd draw and Bloomberg's cash. And neither are the darling of the DNC.

Bernie has a talent for getting wild crowds though. From Black Lives matter stealing his mike to topless women protesting milk to a recent brawl at a rally in Colorado he gets some weirdos out.

To be fair I wouldn't go near a Trump rally either but Bernie has the streak for unpredictable events. The others seem tame by comparison. Bloomberg even cut an ad about Bernie bros harassing people at events and online.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 18, 2020, 04:42:04 PM
To be fair I wouldn't go near a Trump rally either but Bernie has the streak for unpredictable events. The others seem tame by comparison. Bloomberg even cut an ad about Bernie bros harassing people at events and online.

You arent kidding.  White Bernie Bros reportedly attacked an African American at one of his rallys for wearing a black guns matter shirt.

https://youtu.be/Z_5iq1Yd_Fo (https://youtu.be/Z_5iq1Yd_Fo)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: mountainmoma on February 18, 2020, 05:58:42 PM
Another example of what is happening on college campuses: this time University of California Santa Cruz:

https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/02/13/caught-on-video-lefty-thugs-trash-college-republican-display-at-university-of-california-santa-cruz/ (https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/02/13/caught-on-video-lefty-thugs-trash-college-republican-display-at-university-of-california-santa-cruz/)
Caught on Video: Lefty Thugs Trash College Republican Display at University of California, Santa Cruz

There is now something in the local paper, but I cant read it as I have been on the site too much, it is here

https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2020/02/17/investigation-continues-into-student-altercation-with-uc-santa-cruz-college-republicans/



Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on February 22, 2020, 05:00:45 PM
Even in progressive Hobart attacking kids wont fly.  They are looking at minimum of a year in prison, most likely 2.5, and everything they own taken in civil suit. Rumor is they had Bernie stickers on the car. 

(https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox32chicago.com/www.fox32chicago.com/content/uploads/2020/02/764/432/kyren-gregory-perry-jones-cailyn-marie-smith.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/indiana-couple-drove-boys-with-trump-flags-off-road-police (https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/indiana-couple-drove-boys-with-trump-flags-off-road-police)
Indiana couple drove boys with Trump flags off road: police

A northwestern Indiana couple allegedly used a car to force two teenage boys off a road, angered that the twin brothers were riding bicycles adorned with flags supporting President Donald Trump, before ripping one of the sibling's flag from his bike, police said Friday.
...
According to a probable cause affidavit, the boys told officers that a vehicle with a man driving and woman passenger followed them before the male driver pulled up nearby and asked one of the boys “if they were Trump supporters” - to which the boy replied that they were.

The driver then swerved at the boys, forcing them onto roadside grass to avoid being struck, according to the affidavit. The driver followed the boys before exiting the car and tearing off the flag from one of the brother's bikes, the affidavit states.

The driver dropped the flag, which was affixed to the bike with fishing pole, ran back to his car and drove off, “but not before running the flag over,” it states.
...
In a video posted to Snapchat, allegedly by the couple of their encounter with the boy, shows “the driver turns the wheel sharply as if he saw the boys and wanted to hit them with the vehicle while yelling `ya'll better get home,'" according to the affidavit. A male's voice is then heard telling the female passenger “pull that flag down" in the video which shows the female trying to reach it through her window and her saying, “get closer."

“The female is then heard saying `ya'll scared, just like your president'' and `America is not great'" followed by an expletive, according to the affidavit.

In a second Snapchat video, Perry-Jones allegedly says, “Don't let me see you downtown" to one of the boys and threatens to beat him up.


Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Hogeye on February 25, 2020, 07:38:34 PM
Everyone think about your "public" image. Don't set yourself up for punishment by the crazies. My suggestion is to quietly go by the Democrat & Republican campaign offices, get a yard sign for a no-win candidate from each party. Stick the sign of the LOSING party on the edge of your yard by the street the night of the election. That way the angry people will think that you are on their side but you are too stupid to be a real threat to anyone. After the tempers calm, use the sign in your hydroponics tank.

Keep your true thoughts to yourself.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on March 03, 2020, 09:48:32 AM
Well it's "Super Tuesday". That's not to say that we won't see some voting shenanigans as tempers flare. I have neighbors down the road from me where one side of the road is festooned with Bernie signs and the other side is equally kitted out with Mike Bloomberg signs. But, thankfully no issues of violence.

We should know, by the end of the day, what the breakdown of voting totals are in the primary. We'll see if one candidate can get the delegate total to be the party leader or if this will be a brokered convention in Milwaukee (which does scare me a little). Also bear in mind that 2 of the 3 front-runners aren't Democrats. Bernie is an "independent" and Bloomberg is a long time Republican so the party politics are a little messy and you can see lifelong Democrats reluctantly going to Biden retreating to at least a known quantity.

Getting past 2020 I have some real questions moving forward. What will the Republicans do in the wake of Trump? What happens as we inevitably see the loss of party leadership like McConnell and Pelosi (neither are spring chickens). I don't know if it comes to violence in the streets but the bumps in the road are clearly coming.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on March 03, 2020, 03:11:25 PM
I will say I was a little surprised to see staff at my daughter's school wearing "I Voted" stickers. Now granted I live in Minnesota and we're all some flavor of Democrat up here but announcing you voted in a primary when only one party is having a primary is a little bit more of showing my hand than I'd be comfortable with. My parents instilled that you keep your vote private and announcing that you had a hand in the primary is about as far removed from the secret ballot as one can get.

It did strike me as odd.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on March 04, 2020, 10:18:41 AM
Wow the Bernie shenanigans keep going. Bloomberg ducked out and threw his support to Biden. If you're not aware of the dirty tricks going on everyone who ducks out supports Biden and the only candidate to stick it out without a chance to win, Warren, keeps in the race because she splits with Sanders on the extreme end of the party.

I can't make a claim the Democrats are involved in electioneering Bernie out but if they were it wouldn't look any different. All the moderates are aligning behind Biden while they keep Warren in to leech Bernie support.

My friends and family back in Milwaukee are openly joking about buying fire extinguishers and upping their home insurance. Lots of concern about the DNC getting a little out of hand if they walk in with 2 potential candidates and go hammer and tongs between party establishment and a socialist outsider.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on March 04, 2020, 10:26:20 AM
I can't make a claim the Democrats are involved in electioneering Bernie out but if they were it wouldn't look any different. All the moderates are aligning behind Biden while they keep Warren in to leech Bernie support.

It isn't just Bernie.  Bloomberg wrote a big 'ole check to the party and word is they took a sizable chunk of that and dumped it in primary races against AOC PAC backed candidates.  It looks like they got wiped.  It is a full on fight against the democratic socialists.  Health related stocks are flying this morning
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on March 04, 2020, 10:41:07 AM
It isn't just Bernie.  Bloomberg wrote a big 'ole check to the party and word is they took a sizable chunk of that and dumped it in primary races against AOC PAC backed candidates.  It looks like they got wiped.  It is a full on fight against the democratic socialists.  Health related stocks are flying this morning

Oh, I'm seeing that locally. Bernie tapped Ilhan Omar to be his MN surrogate and Biden trounced him. They are conducting a purge.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on March 04, 2020, 04:23:32 PM
Holy cow.  Schumer is essentially calling for attacks on Supreme Court justices.

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/04/roberts-schumer-scotus-121490 (https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/04/roberts-schumer-scotus-121490)
Roberts slams Schumer for 'dangerous' rhetoric against justices
The chief justice rebuked the Senate minority leader for saying Gorsuch and Kavanaugh ‘will pay the price’ if they cut back abortion rights.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Bradbn4 on March 04, 2020, 08:20:21 PM
Help avoiding the issues:

No yard signage
No stickers on my car
have a good food supply; now harder to do with zero MRE's or freeze dried items for sale.

Good gas mask that you could use for painting your car, or other items.  Also good safety glasses is also useful.

Good routes, road maps, etc - standard items in a good quality GHB
refresh your bail out bag
good first aide kit

A place to rent a Prius to fit in?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on March 07, 2020, 09:04:19 AM
We just watched a coup in the Democrats. You remember how for something like 30 years the "pay to play" was the Clinton Foundation... That's gone and the new moneybags in town is Mike Bloomberg.

That's where I see a sustained risk. It's 2020 and the kingmakers in both parties are doing musical chairs. We're a couple heartbeats from losing both Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi as leadership icons and where do you think each party goes to replace them? That's not the fear of a "fight it out in the streets" civil war. It's more the fear of a massive rudderless ship and a power vacuum at the top. We are dangerously close to a non-functional federal government.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on March 07, 2020, 09:55:43 AM
We just watched a coup in the Democrats. You remember how for something like 30 years the "pay to play" was the Clinton Foundation... That's gone and the new moneybags in town is Mike Bloomberg.

No kidding. Just to get them to change the debate rules so he could be in them, he wrote a $400K check to national DNC and spread another $400k among state parties to go along with it.  That was just a first downpayment contribution, talk is total deal is for over a hundred million.  Now he just got them to change again to keep Tulsi Gabbard out of the next debate so as to help Biden.  The DNC is literally selling debate podiums.  The Bernie Bros are furious and it is looking more and more that violent protests are in the works.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on March 07, 2020, 04:29:45 PM
I did not understand why Gabbert and Yang (while I might disagree with them) didn't get higher billing. Those were the only 2 in the field who articulated an agenda moving forward.

You have to really scratch your head looking at the Democrats these days. The rockstar coming out of the Obama admin was supposed to be Hillary Clinton. Retrenching back to Biden seems like they swung and missed and this is the best emergency option. I guess it's either that or we turn America into Venezuela.

I'm not really scared of Americans gunning it out in the streets; even with hot tempers we tend to back down. But I do worry about the lack of service when the feds are busy drawing guns on each other. I think the Mueller probe is the perfect metaphor for our failed government on all sides. It starts with wild rumors and ends with a doddering retiree who can't keep his own facts straight.

I guess as a person moving forward what gets me is not my neighbors who disagree but the federal Katrina response. We're not making things work; we're dysgenic on all sides.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: The Professor on March 09, 2020, 05:25:51 PM
I'm becoming increasingly of the opinion that they're just humoring Biden, this time, so they can get him out of the way.  Sort of ". . .it's his turn and we know he's going to lose, so why not do it now so he can't complain. . ."

Then again. . .maybe I'm just grasping at straws in disbelief that they can be that stupid.

The Professor
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 20, 2020, 09:01:28 AM
Scenario: the results of the next Presidential election are close, and the apparently-losing side refuses to concede, claiming that fraud and/or hacking caused a false outcome. ...

Fox News Sunday, 7/19/20, Chris Wallace interviews Donald Trump (https://video.foxnews.com/v/6173005245001/)

[transcript by me]

Trump: I think mail-in voting is gonna rig the election, I really do.

Wallace: Are you suggesting that you might not accept the results of the election?

Trump: I have to say, look, Hillary Clinton asked me the same thing.

Wallace: No, I asked her the same thing at the debate.

Trump: And you know what? She's the one that never accepted --

Wallace: I agree.

Trump: She never accepted her loss, and she looks like a fool.

Wallace: Can you give, can you give a direct answer, you will accept the election?

Trump: I have to see. Look, you, I have to see. No, I'm not gonna just say yes, I'm not gonna say no, and I didn't last time either.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 30, 2020, 08:36:39 AM
7/30/20: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1288818160389558273

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With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???

AP, 7/30/20: Trump floats November election delay - but he can't do that (https://hosted.ap.org/article/d203eaa406dc5e7362dfa9e33522195e/trump-floats-election-delay-amid-claims-voting-fraud)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Prepper456 on July 30, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Bill

AP, 7/30/20: [url=https://hosted.ap.org/article/d203eaa406dc5e7362dfa9e33522195e/trump-floats-election-delay-amid-claims-voting-fraud
Trump floats November election delay - but he can't do that[/url]

maybe, as president, maybe trump should have read the US Constitution? like the 20th ammendment? actually, any of it really.. does he know it actually exists?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Cedar on July 30, 2020, 09:29:48 PM
Wow.

Who would ever have thought this could  happen in the USA? You would have thought someone would have rung a warning bell or something. Shout? Say something? Post something?....So strange... or did people just not look, listen, take heed, or ...

A Fascist dictator? Really? Here, in America? But yet, all 14 of the 14 indicator characteristics for having an autocrat dictator at the head of a country, has now been checked off as of today with this tweet... Yes, here, in America.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273

So many people were worried about George Orwells "1984" happening, when maybe they really should have read "It Can't Happen Here", by Sinclair Lewis.

Beau said it best today..
https://youtu.be/TKBoQZfYPaI

Beau is wrong, not everyone thought Trump wouldn't make that statement, many actually thought Trump would. Sadly, many of us were correct. It was proven just a few hours ago.

So, like Beau says, are you in opposition to this? Or are you in on it? Are you going to hold up our Constitution, or help undermine it to destroy it? To destroy our Republic.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you can support Trump in any way, shape or form, and still support the United States of America's Constitution. None. Absolutely none.

Cedar
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: LvsChant on July 30, 2020, 11:15:03 PM
hi cedar! hope you are doing well. we have missed you here!

i also don't think universal mail-in voting is a good idea when we already have the absentee ballot for those who don't feel voting in person is prudent. too much possibility for fraud or simple error because of inaccurate voting rolls (thus the anecdotes about dead people voting).

that being said -- as much as you are unhappy that trump is president, you should know that many others of us were equally opposed to obama during his years in office and felt the same level of mistrust for him. making a blanket statement that anyone who supports trump cannot support the constitution is truly an unfair and inaccurate statement. so... let's try to keep it civil around here. we can all express our opinions and share information relative to prepping without making statements that tend to attack others who have different political opinions.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on July 31, 2020, 07:41:33 AM
 :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: ;D
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 31, 2020, 08:01:25 AM
Cedar is here!  Yayyy!!! ;D

Okay, now... [moderator hat on]:  There have been a few changes here since you left.  In particular, we've (sorta) banned political discussion, because the forum was tearing itself apart.  ("Sorta" meaning we've got a board called Political News, which is theoretically for news and not argument, but nobody is moderating it.)  Outside of the Political News board, though, the forum is supposed to be prepping-centered and apolitical (although you can guess how well that has been working on controversial topics).

Anyway, I'd just like to quote yet again the post that I started this thread with, way back last October:

Scenario: the results of the next Presidential election are close, and the apparently-losing side refuses to concede, claiming that fraud and/or hacking caused a false outcome.  Extremists on both sides (plus angry people who don't fit on the left-right political spectrum) start resorting to violence.  They are joined by normally-nonviolent people who believe the other side is attempting a coup.

Can we, as individuals, do any prepping for this possibility?

(This is a touchy subject, and I hope we can stick to the prepping topic, and not get into the politics of which side is right or wrong.  I'd especially like to hear from any of our non-US members who have lived through violent elections in other countries.)
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on July 31, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
Both my (divorced) parents live in the burbs of Milwaukee. With all the tension going on right now they have seen a couple patterns and it's tied to the upcoming convention. Dad has (no joke) had 2 neighbors ask him to teach them to use their new rifles because he got a massive amount of firearms training in the 70s along with a free trip to Vietnam. Mom is having flashbacks to when she was younger in 1968 Chicago. She's trying to do an AirBNB getaway for the convention.

I wouldn't call it violence but there is definitely a feeling of unease.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on August 11, 2020, 10:38:41 AM
As street violence envelops Chicago, LA, Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis it's hard not to notice the political pattern.

Sorry to say living in a super-lefty downtown looks less and less appealing. Not to say the righties won't do something crazy but right now anywhere super blue and super populated is kind of a no-go-zone.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: LvsChant on August 11, 2020, 12:27:25 PM
Yes... with the destruction in Chicago and the vote to de-fund the Seattle police dept., big liberal cities are looking unappealing - although it seems that nearly all big cities tend to be liberal, so... I sort of hate to see this. If those folks who voted for those politicians who are allowing all this mayhem move out to the small towns, they are likely to bring their big city sensibilities with them, which is not good. I'm not convinced that they will learn the lesson in this.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: David in MN on August 24, 2020, 02:42:19 PM
I did have an odd thought about this yesterday. To date our adaptive strategy has been to use the full brunt of the law on conservatives while letting liberals run roughshod. It might even be a good strategy in the sense that we're making the heaviest armed toe a tighter line. Might be a little over the line when you can't hold a gun in your own front yard in gun-friendly Missouri (and I paid attention to this because I have been known to clean a rifle in the backyard) but that's the path we've chosen.

But there's another Missouri story that fits in here. I'm talking about Ken McElroy, the "bully" of Skidmore, Missouri.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

You can read the story but the long and short of it is that Ken was kind of a menace to society and everyone wanted him gone. One day he was shot by at least 2 different guns in broad daylight in his truck with about 35 eyewitnesses. But nobody saw nuthin' and his murder is still unsolved.

I'm not saying it will happen in Portland, Seattle, or NYC. But there are parts of this country where we could have a little more mob justice. And not just because the citizens are over it. Perhaps the police will turn a blind eye. I could see a situation where either the police or the witnesses nullify the law if they think a little violence will return the community to normal. But I'm also wary that once one person gets away with it it will be repeated.

It's kind of my concern that we are closer than ever to vigilantism. Not something I relish.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: totalredundancy on August 25, 2020, 12:29:02 PM
As street violence envelops Chicago, LA, Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis it's hard not to notice the political pattern.

Sorry to say living in a super-lefty downtown looks less and less appealing. Not to say the righties won't do something crazy but right now anywhere super blue and super populated is kind of a no-go-zone.

Yeah even my fairly liberal wife is warming up to leaving Chicago, even if we live just at the edge.  It's a shame because a lot of these cities are really cool and have a ton of positives to live in, but it's just gotten too hard to justify when people are getting shot 3-4 blocks away and my favorite small businesses are getting looted.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Bradbn4 on August 28, 2020, 07:19:07 AM
There is not much one can do other than

Keep a low profile
Keep your head on a swivel
Prep for what I would consider a normal unnatural disasters.   (man made versus nature)
Pretty much for the COVID thing + hurricane + strike + more (civil unrest)

Will we give up too much liberty/freedom to be safe?

Sometimes you have to take a stand, but when you do make sure it counts for something good.

For now I see being the grey man as a valid option of keeping one self safe.

Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on August 28, 2020, 08:13:41 AM

Being a grey man sounds like a good option.
These continued cop/black killings are keeping us all very concerned.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: The Professor on August 29, 2020, 06:16:52 AM
The problem with being a "grey man" in this particular circumstance is that some people are targeting anyone who does not fit a specific mold.  Unless you look and act within a very tight set of parameters, you will be sought out, you will be confronted and you will be engaged.

It's like finding yourself in a Detroit Redwings post-loss crowd.  If you're not wearing a Redwing shirt, Nikes and a pair of Levi's, someone's going to get into your face, tell you they went to the University of Michigan and demand to know what you're going to call them.  If you don't answer immediately with "Boss" and wave your pet octopus at them, you might not make it home that night.

A "grey man" in this will be directly targeted because he is NOT openly and enthusiastically displaying his support for the Redwings.  Anyone. . .anything different from what the mob wants and expects must be beaten down.  Being a "grey man" is not the solution.

Yes, I realize there's more to this than appearances.  I also realize that a significant portion of being a "grey man" is conflict avoidance and situational awareness. The reality is, however, much more complicated.  You can only remain situationally aware for so long before your efficiency begins to degrade.  With these groups migrating out into business and residential districts, you may turn around from mowing the lawn and find yourself face to face with a crowd that wants to know why you aren't wearing your jersey and why, exactly, you don't have Al hanging off your shoulder while you mow. . .all while holding frozen water bottles, ziploc bags of human feces, baseball bats and skateboards in their hands looking directly at YOU.

Sadly, this discussion is skirting an issue that must be talked about but everyone is afraid of looking or being accused of being a Bad Word.

I'm going to be me.  Sorry, I know that's not the popular thing, right now.  At the end of the day, I know who, and what I am.  I'm going to go where I need to go, not try and start anything, simply not engage anyone (mainly because I generally don't like ANYONE, let alone sports fans) and do what I must to protect myself, my friends and my family.

If that results me in being tried by twelve of my peers, then so be it.   I will not allow myself, or my loved ones, to be carried by six of their friends because of my inaction or fear.

Yeah, I know. . .it skirts the edge.  I understand if a moderator has to take this down.

The Professor
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on August 29, 2020, 06:46:57 AM
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I'm going to be me.  Sorry, I know that's not the popular thing, right now.  At the end of the day, I know who, and what I am.  I'm going to go where I need to go, not try and start anything, simply not engage anyone (mainly because I generally don't like ANYONE, let alone sports fans) and do what I must to protect myself, my friends and my family.

Well I kinda thought this was mainly *being* somewhat grey.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: fritz_monroe on August 29, 2020, 11:16:04 AM
Well I kinda thought this was mainly *being* somewhat grey.
I agree.  Part of being grey involves disappearing into the crowd.  But another part is not being in areas where you should likely avoid.

Using the Redwings analogy, if I don't know the jargon and don't look the part, I should not be mingling with the crowd.  We all would defend ourselves and families.  However, in a riot where you have become the target of the violence of the crowd, you are VERY unlikely to be able to fend off the attack.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Bradbn4 on August 29, 2020, 06:13:08 PM
Prof - you are not wrong - and I know there are downsides to that approach of the grey man.  Not saying it should be a way of life, but an option.  One of many...

I really wish you were wrong, but as my mother use to say...wish in one hand...

Sometimes you just can't wear a MAGA hat and not expect problems.   So who is going to get targeted first?  The person with the MAGA hat on and a US Flag on the back of their jacket or the person in simple bluejeans, a simple hoodie?

Part of what I am just using the lesson plans that was provided by my training classes when going on road trips (TDY) . .

And I am not saying that a nice shoulder rig would be verboten, or even a small black jack like my grandmother use to favor.   I am not saying she when out and bought one, nope....she made her own. The rest of the kids were sort of dismayed...I thought it was good planning.

Do I think it is wrong that people are being targeted for having a MAGA hat or one that can be mistaken for one?  Join a group like the Tea Party and get an IRS audit?  Well now, for some that is a real touchy subject and I rather not go into it.  You can be grey as long as it works, and grey on the outside don't mean grey on the inside.

I did just pick up some nice RMR style sites, looking at a Form 1 as a method to protect my hearing.  My sierra  and speer books did come in so I can have supplies for training with my new PSA upper.

Prof...if you were still in town, I would offer to pick up a liter of my favorite rum to see if you enjoyed it with a ice cold coke.  My choice would be fresh squeezed OJ...but I have always known my taste buds don't quite work right.  ;D

You pick the fights you must fight, you do what is right, and remember what Duty, Honor, Country mean to you. I was in the wrong service for this, but hooah.

An old saying, I did not know what it meant when I was young but have a somewhat better understanding today.....duty is heavier than a mountain, and death as light as a feather.

Oscar Mike, out.



Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Morning Sunshine on August 29, 2020, 09:25:38 PM
An old saying, I did not know what it meant when I was young but have a somewhat better understanding today.....duty is heavier than a mountain, and death as light as a feather.

al'Lan Mandragoran?
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Bradbn4 on August 30, 2020, 06:27:05 AM
al'Lan Mandragoran?
way of the bushido
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on September 12, 2020, 08:31:53 PM
Things just got very real. 

A LEO friend of mine just told me an antifa/BLM cell knocked off a gun store in Texas getting away with a few dozen firearms.  The owner managed to get one of them which is how they traced the connection. Current belief is that they were looking to gain untraceable arms in preparation of election related attacks.  A warning is going out to gun stores to prepare for more such robberies and to review mandatory mask policies.

Seems prudent at this time to begin ratcheting up your home defense options.  If you normally use a handgun, you might want to consider switching to a longarm and making sure it is lubed and ready to go.  Talk with your neighbors about securing your neighborhood should things go South.  Also, have a backup exit plan that doesn't rely on major roads.  And make sure your vehicle is well serviced and the gas tank is filled. 

If you are in a riot prone city, take precautions to protect against fire like having a multipurpose fire extinguinsher and running your sprinklers that day.  Remove any loose bricks, big stones, flower pots, etc that could be used as projectiles.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on September 12, 2020, 11:45:25 PM
A LEO friend of mine just told me an antifa/BLM cell knocked off a gun store in Texas getting away with a few dozen firearms.  The owner managed to get one of them which is how they traced the connection. Current belief is that they were looking to gain untraceable arms in preparation of election related attacks.  A warning is going out to gun stores to prepare for more such robberies and to review mandatory mask policies.

Found a news story corraborating the theft details:
https://youtu.be/JsXDBoOlVQA (https://youtu.be/JsXDBoOlVQA)

This is an obvious wake up call that intentions are for more than just looting.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Stwood on September 13, 2020, 08:18:55 AM
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Seems prudent at this time to begin ratcheting up your home defense options.  If you normally use a handgun, you might want to consider switching to a longarm and making sure it is lubed and ready to go.  Talk with your neighbors about securing your neighborhood should things go South.  Also, have a backup exit plan that doesn't rely on major roads.  And make sure your vehicle is well serviced and the gas tank is filled.

If you are in a riot prone city, take precautions to protect against fire like having a multipurpose fire extinguinsher and running your sprinklers that day.  Remove any loose bricks, big stones, flower pots, etc that could be used as projectiles.

Thanks for the heads up. All good ideas
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Canadian Prepper on September 14, 2020, 06:38:09 PM
Hi Fellows,

I am a bit late to this discussion but will offer two links for your consideration. The first is an account of a person who along with a small group got caught up in an Antifa protest. Very telling:

https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/09/antifa-reality-check/

The second is a booklet from the organization Unconstrained Analytics. The first half consists of an analysis of the current unrest, but the second speaks more to the tactical and local level that's the subject of this thread. It does not go into detail about weapons and tactics for self-defence per se, but situates them nicely into an overall preparedness posture:

https://unconstrainedanalytics.org/insurrection-and-violence-a-citizens-guide/
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: LvsChant on September 14, 2020, 07:37:24 PM
Hi Fellows,

I am a bit late to this discussion but will offer two links for your consideration. The first is an account of a person who along with a small group got caught up in an Antifa protest. Very telling:

https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/09/antifa-reality-check/

The second is a booklet from the organization Unconstrained Analytics. The first half consists of an analysis of the current unrest, but the second speaks more to the tactical and local level that's the subject of this thread. It does not go into detail about weapons and tactics for self-defence per se, but situates them nicely into an overall preparedness posture:

https://unconstrainedanalytics.org/insurrection-and-violence-a-citizens-guide/

Thanks for sharing... it is certainly a point of view that isn't expressed on MS media, isn't it? I downloaded the guide and will be reading it and sharing. Thanks!
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: Mintbird on September 15, 2020, 10:44:34 AM
Hi Fellows,

I am a bit late to this discussion but will offer two links for your consideration. The first is an account of a person who along with a small group got caught up in an Antifa protest. Very telling:

https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/09/antifa-reality-check/

The second is a booklet from the organization Unconstrained Analytics. The first half consists of an analysis of the current unrest, but the second speaks more to the tactical and local level that's the subject of this thread. It does not go into detail about weapons and tactics for self-defence per se, but situates them nicely into an overall preparedness posture:

https://unconstrainedanalytics.org/insurrection-and-violence-a-citizens-guide/

Wow! Very scary. I've downloaded the guide.
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: The Professor on September 20, 2020, 07:52:11 AM
Things just got very real. 

A LEO friend of mine just told me an antifa/BLM cell knocked off a gun store in Texas getting away with a few dozen firearms. 


Has there been anything confirming the antifa/BLM connection?  The video had nothing in it about the robbers' affiliation.

The Professor
Title: Re: Prepping for widespread political violence associated with the election
Post by: iam4liberty on September 21, 2020, 03:45:13 PM
Has there been anything confirming the antifa/BLM connection?  The video had nothing in it about the robbers' affiliation.

The Professor

Yes.  But it isnt publicly released as the Feds have now completely taken over the case and they arent releasing any information until the three at large are apprehended.

Meanwhile, the cell from the bay area riot has been charged.  Same exact tactics deployed.  This was the first one. They only caught them because one lowered his mask.  This is why they are pushing for gun stores to end mask requirements.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/4-charged-with-stealing-27-guns-on-day-of-california-protest/2338789/?amp (https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/4-charged-with-stealing-27-guns-on-day-of-california-protest/2338789/?amp)
4 Charged With Stealing 27 Guns From Hayward Shop During Protests
The suspects robbed Richardson Tactical at the height of George Floyd protests in May


Four people have been charged with stealing at least 27 firearms from a Bay Area gun store on a night in May when thousands of people took to the streets to protest police brutality.

Dashawn Taylor, Anthony Craft Jr., Tyronza Hampton Jr. and a fourth person whose name is still sealed because they have not been arrested were indicted Monday for the theft May 31 at Richardson Tactical in Hayward, federal prosecutors said in a statement.
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Authorities later identified him as a burglar who’d pulled his mask down in front of a surveillance camera,the East Bay Times reported.