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Title: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Mr. Bill on March 26, 2020, 08:46:11 PM
This topic is for news that is related to the coronavirus but not about the coronavirus.



Forest Service pauses prescribed fire across pacific northwest (https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/colville/news-events/?cid=FSEPRD716552)

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The USDA Forest Service is pausing all spring prescribed fire efforts on national forest lands across the states of Oregon and Washington.

“We care deeply about our communities across the region and didn’t want to risk introducing smoke from prescribed fire into communities that may be affected by COVID-19,” said John Giller, Director of Fire and Aviation Management for the Pacific Northwest Region of the USDA Forest Service. “With this pause, we can better protect those who may also be in higher-risk groups for COVID-19, such as the elderly and those with underlying respiratory conditions.”

While frequent, low-intensity fire is essential to the long-term health of many northwest forests and communities, employee and public safety remains the top priority.

The Forest Service Pacific Northwest Region contains 17 National Forests, a National Scenic Area, a National Grassland, and two National Volcanic Monuments, all within the States of Oregon and Washington.

Difficult decision.  Hard to know how that will impact smoke levels during the summer wildfire season.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: suzysurvivor on March 27, 2020, 04:42:56 PM
the whining and complaining about having to stay at home.

I don't know a SINGLE soul who doesn't say 'oh, if i only had more time, i'd XXXX'.  And now that they've been given that 'gift', they are complaining about it.  Like they say in Texas, 'some people would b*tch if ya hung 'em with a new rope'. 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: David in MN on March 28, 2020, 09:07:50 AM
The confusion is something that has been tough. Wisconsin made all state parks free so people could go for a walk. Chicago banned walking on the waterfront. Californians must isolate unless you're homeless and then all bets are off. Minnesota did a "lockdown" and we don't even know what that means. They're making up rules by the day. My city passed an emergency act so that city hall can close the freeway. What would that provide?

It iss nice to hear that many civic people like Donald Trump and Andrew Cuomo are starting to say that we need to start having a multi-tier approach and start wrapping our heads around how to manage based on age, wellness, and really get a feeling for how many of us already had the Wuhan flu. And maybe the best choices for New York and Iowa are different.

I'm sympathetic that it's a difficult situation but we need an accurate assessment and a clear policy.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Chemsoldier on March 28, 2020, 10:03:29 AM
Leading through ambiguity.

For us as citizens, we need to have mental bins for  "information" and "action items."

The rules for social distancing in your area are action items.  CDC guidance on the nuts and bolts of preventing spread (distsnces, disinfecting procedures, etc) are action items.  You use the second to help you make decisions in conjunction with the first.  There are things that are in accordance with the first that are probably not prudent...choose not to do them.

What the rules are in places you are not in, its just information. Dont worry about it unless you are talking to someone there about what you should do.

I think the growing awareness that different places need different procedures is indeed heartening
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: David in MN on March 28, 2020, 01:42:31 PM
Some things are downright confusing. Like the retrospect of 'maybe we should have cancelled Mardi Gras' or 'when do we close the NYC subway?'

Other things are just bizarre like the state of California shutting down the courts. So in Cali you don't have a right to a speedy trial anymore and if you get picked up for some stupid misdemeanor you get to wait 60 days in county lockup?

Then there's how many hundred millions learning on the fly how to homeschool.

Yup, there's a lot of strange things that we are learning. I've heard people who are saying that handshakes are a thing of the past. Well we adopted the handshake to prove we had no concealed weapons. Us Germans click glasses because as our beers slosh into one anothers' glass to prove we're not poisoning anyone. Even the military salute is a standby from knights lifting visors (look at a Brit salute if you doubt). I think a lot of centuries old traditions might die out.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: mountainmoma on March 28, 2020, 01:45:42 PM
Some things are downright confusing. Like the retrospect of 'maybe we should have cancelled Mardi Gras' or 'when do we close the NYC subway?'

Other things are just bizarre like the state of California shutting down the courts. So in Cali you don't have a right to a speedy trial anymore and if you get picked up for some stupid misdemeanor you get to wait 60 days in county lockup?

Then there's how many hundred millions learning on the fly how to homeschool.

Yup, there's a lot of strange things that we are learning. I've heard people who are saying that handshakes are a thing of the past. Well we adopted the handshake to prove we had no concealed weapons. Us Germans click glasses because as our beers slosh into one anothers' glass to prove we're not poisoning anyone. Even the military salute is a standby from knights lifting visors (look at a Brit salute if you doubt). I think a lot of centuries old traditions might die out.

No-one waits in county lock up in California, even before this pandemic.  No Bail is needed, that would be so unfair to require bail.  What is going to happen is that they are not even going to get more probation for violating their last probation.

Of course, not even being picked up or moved on by the police is going to embolden, and not just in Ca.

True story from a few days ago in a west coast coastal area :  Some drugged out guy drives around the barriers into closed campground, the bathrooms are locked, so he takes off his clothes at some random faucet outside, he has soiled himself, of course.  Fecal contamination now, naked guy.  Law enforcement is called, no-one wants to touch him.  He is demanding stuff, he tells them he has the virus, which of course he made up, but he could have it and not know it or Hepatitis or any number of things.  So, he is demanding a 50 pound bag of dogfood and sandwiches before he will leave.  Eventually someone realizes that they might know where they can get dog food, so it is fetched.  Guy says, that's not 50 pounds, they convince him, it is the best they can do....they put the dog food in a plastic grocery bag on the end of a shovel and try and keep distance.  Of course, now they have an area with fecal contamination. 

This type of thing is why more rural areas all over are trying to discourage other people from driving there.  This is why the campground was closed. It is likely why my area was shut down as early as it was.  This guy was not from that area ( if he was he would have known where to go to get food and to not mess so much with LEO's who are usually more  enforcement orientated in that area.  The thing is, LEO all over is going to not want to be hands on enforcement, which means keep out all the extra crazies from other places, ie., inland people driving to the coast.  New Yorkers trying to go to RI, or maybe anywhere (?) etc...

We did hear of a couple young aquaintances who escaped Louisiana 11 days ago, they had been living/working there, but left all and drove cross country.  They are very responsibly self quarantining for 14 days somewhere with friends and will then go to their older family house once they know they are safe.  But, others will leave places and just go with no connections at the other end and no responsible actions
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: mountainmoma on March 29, 2020, 11:22:00 PM
A few tidbits from a local crime blotter, so you can see that we just dont lock them up, well, if they kill someone we do, I dont know for how long though. 

This is obviously in California, in a relatively small city/county, this is part of what happened just last week.  do not let your area re-structure, pass a new law, claim they will only let non-violent criminals not do jail time -- their definition and yours is not the same for non-violent

There is one more of these, but I put it on the related to corona virus crime sub-thread as that one is for what even here would be "violent" these below are "non-violent" 

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A 32 year old transient was arrested and is facing charges that include possession of burglary tools, commercial burglary and conspiracy to commit a crime. He’s been arrested 4 times locally in the past 5 months.

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PD responded to some kind of altercation involving two males fighting in the lobby of Denny’s ------- ----. One man was possibly holding some kind of weapon. Arrested 19 times locally since 2015. We’ve been coddling this clown for the past 5 years. ........  Then around 6 hours later, -- PD responded to an alarm going off at --- ---- Pawn on ----- Street, where they saw the same guy jogging away with an antique black powder style pistol that he had stolen from the pawnshop. The 27 year old transient was again arrested for commercial burglary. Living up to his title!

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PD responded to the 100 block of High Street where they arrested a 24 year frequent flyer on the County Shuffle for burglary. He’s been arrested locally 18 times in the past 8 months. He was arrested 9 times in one week last July

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Police responded to -- --- --- ---  Drive where they arrested a 65 year old man for making criminal threats, possession of a sawed off shotgun, and resisting arrest. This is right next to a pretty major intersection for --- ---- ----- His bail was set at $25K and he’s out of jail already. He was also arrested (and obviously released) 2 weeks ago.

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deputies responded to ---- ---- ---- ----- for a report of a roommate disturbance of some kind. When they arrived, they found one man who attacked another with a sickle of some kind. They also found methamphetamine on him. He was arrested but only for a few hours. His bail was set at $25K and he bonded out.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: mountainmoma on March 30, 2020, 11:11:02 PM
no better time than an quarantine emergency to have public gatherings to protest for your rights

I saw cell phone video of the patient local-ish PD trying to communicate with the homeless food distributors that they would need to leave soon, that the area ( a public fountain area) was going to be fenced off as it was drawing crowds.
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Well, they would consider it, but only if the new place was alot better.... They know their rights and no-one can make them disperse, this kind of unreasonable demand -- to move to a provided area that will allow 6 feet between each tent, abundant porta-potties, lots of hand washing stations, security, medical and social services provided, along with food, etc... -- is just more proof that this is a police state !
  Yes, the transient element is also entitled around here, even in an emergency.  There is no convincing even the people that say they are their "advocates" that the county is only trying to keep them safer during the disease outbreak. This must be where part of the federal money is being used in California. 

 I hear that in other areas the healthcare workers are being heroic, dong much with little, etc...And, it is a very tough position to be in in a pandemic, no doubt.

But, in this hospital the nurses walked off the job and the previous shift nurses just had to stay and work overtime to cover for them.  There is no surge of patients yet. I dont even know if that hospital has a COVID-19 patient yet, it might.  But, they violated the mass gatherings emergency law that is in effect, and no -one broke it up.  The article says they were standing 6 feet apart, but the picture shows otherwise.  Just doesnt seem the right way to go about this.

https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2020/03/30/photos-coronavirus-watsonville-community-hospital-nurses-walk-out/

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The Watsonville Community Hospital said in a prepared statement that it is disappointed the union is more focused on distracting public displays than working with the hospital to prepare for a surge of COVID-19 patients. The hospital is also surprised that the union would organize a public gathering when they are discouraged.

My understanding is the central coast area is not slated to get a surge of patients for another 2 weeks.  Right now in California there are other denser population areas that need stuff NOW like the L.A. area.  It would be foolish to send extras to this hospital that are needed more elsewhere, and more stuff is going to be distributed later, and if there is a shortage, they wouldnt want to use everything up now too.

But, this part of California is all about the protests
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Packerfan78 on April 01, 2020, 12:54:51 AM
I have increased a lot of the urgency in my homesteading projects. For example, i built a much larger chicken coup with a rain water storage unit. I also plan on building an outhouse by my livestock. I have been planning this because i was sick of having people with muddy boots come into my house to use the bathroom. I am on septic so in toilet paper shortage we will be in bad shape. An outhouse will be a cheap back up if we run out of toilet paper and have to use newspaper.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Greekman on April 01, 2020, 03:34:34 PM
I think people are starting loosing it....and not just steaming off, i mean gradually slipping, the way real crazy oeple ar doing and nobody notices until the biog boom.

Most of the people i know are now edging on a conspiracy theory or another, even people who seemed serious or at least hid their beliefs well.

People are getting antsy on religion too. From the time ti was strongly suggest people abstain from any religious ceremonies and communion too, hard believers are getting angrier and louder.
There is a call to gather en mass outside the churches during the Good Days and Easter day ceremonies and pray ...

Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Carver on April 01, 2020, 03:49:45 PM
What has been already an unpredictable presidential campaign is going to really get bizarre due to the ramifications of the epidemic.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Morning Sunshine on April 01, 2020, 04:32:51 PM
I have increased a lot of the urgency in my homesteading projects. For example, i built a much larger chicken coup with a rain water storage unit.

no chicks at my farm store, no orders being taken, and no deliveries for another 3 weeks.  The hatcheries are overwhelmed, and cannot ship any more or any faster than they are, because the WHOLE country wants chicks.
I wasn't sure if I wanted more chicks, but I went to that section of the farm store anyway; I didn't hear the ubiquitous cheeping I hear every spring, and I was curious.  It looks like I need to find out which feline is eating my eggs and take care of it.  I have not bothered before now because mostly we keep the poultry for bug control, not eggs.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Mr. Bill on April 01, 2020, 04:40:21 PM
The front door on our new house is broken because of COVID-19.

Okay, the door is broken because apparently someone left the deadbolt extended during construction, and the wind slammed it shut and split the door.

The builder ordered a new door for us... but someone at the door factory tested positive for the coronavirus, so they had a several-day shut-down for decontamination.

I think we may see a lot of oddities like this -- delays or unavailability just because some company in the supply chain needed clean-up.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: NickJ on April 01, 2020, 06:08:59 PM
no chicks at my farm store,

I ordered some pullets from a local farm and they didn't want customers to let anyone know where they got then. They have been inundated  with people looking for birds and are concerned about thefts.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Mr. Bill on April 01, 2020, 09:23:48 PM
AP, 4/1/20: Feds: Man intentionally derailed LA train near hospital ship (https://hosted.ap.org/article/22cfbc4806c0befc7d8623c0bfa0cc53/feds-man-intentionally-derailed-la-train-near-hospital-ship)

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...Eduardo Moreno, 44, was charged with one count of train wrecking, prosecutors said. It wasn't immediately known if he has an attorney.

Moreno acknowledged in two separate interviews with law enforcement that he intentionally derailed and crashed the train near the Mercy, according to the criminal complaint.

“You only get this chance once. The whole world is watching. I had to," Moreno told investigators, according to the complaint. "People don’t know what’s going on here. Now they will.”

Moreno said he was suspicious of the Mercy and believed it had an alternate purpose related to COVID-19 or a government takeover, an affidavit states. ...

Phillip Sanfield, spokesman for the Port of Los Angeles, said the locomotive never came close to the Mercy.

“It would have had to have gone several hundred yards through a parking lot and cross a water channel to reach the ship,” Sanfield said. ...

The CHP officer reported seeing “the train smash into a concrete barrier at the end of the track, smash into a steel barrier, smash into a chain-link fence, slide through a parking lot, slide across another lot filled with gravel, and smash into a second chain-link fence,” according to an affadavit.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Prepper456 on April 02, 2020, 10:08:24 AM
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AP, 4/1/20: Feds: Man intentionally derailed LA train near hospital ship

those damn conspiracy theorists
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: David in MN on April 03, 2020, 08:40:13 AM
How about the improved health aspect? I see this two-fold:

First, there's a telegraphed illness a-coming. Maybe time to get the body ready. No kidding, I cut my nightly whiskey back to twice per week just to keep up hydration. I also really started watching my diet and vitamin intake intensely. I'm going to take a guess that smoking cessation is vastly on the rise as well. It's one of those odd things. If I told you there was good odds you'd get the seasonal flu or pneumonia in the next month you might make different health choices.

Second, the junk food's been picked over. But the fresh stuff seems in good supply. Same with the meat. It's the processed stuff that went quick but whole cuts are still there. Well, you're trapped at home, on a budget, with nothing to do, and internet connection... We can all start cooking with real ingredients. It's not that hard to roast a chicken and make a bone broth with the leftovers. Even with very simple techniques great dishes are possible. We could have a renaissance of home cooking.

It's a combination that yields improved public health. Add on that a lot of us have little else to do but take a family walk (although I'll confess we are loving that I built a basic home gym) we might see a healthier lifestyle emerge.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: chrisdfw on April 03, 2020, 11:20:12 PM
Is anything positive allowed?

I talked to my father on the phone for almost 2 hours the other night. My dads brother (my uncle) talked to his dad (my grandfather) for over an hour. We all work from home (although my grandad lives behind his auto repair shop... he's 89) or are retired, but the extra time seems like a gift for some of us.

I'm not all feeling like its mai tai's and yahtzee (movie reference, bonus points if you know the movie) as I've seen the downsides too, but its also not all bad.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Greekman on April 04, 2020, 12:07:03 AM
people are getting more and more accustom to technology.

me, i spend dome hours yesterday on teleconference in FB and Skype. Wicth i avoided for the extra hassle.. Now I will be trying an app that converts my phone to a web cam.

And the Greek state managed to setup remote transactions and teleconference schooling within weeks, even though the thing was discussed but not applied for years.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Morning Sunshine on April 04, 2020, 06:22:01 AM
I'm not all feeling like its mai tai's and yahtzee (movie reference, bonus points if you know the movie) as I've seen the downsides too, but its also not all bad.

I do see a whole lot of good coming out of this.  Reconnections with family and friends.  A contraction of "if-I-want-it-I-need-it-NOW" mentality.  A whole bunch of young people who have never been told NO and meant it are suddenly getting a Hard Stop on their behaviors.  People are re-evaluating what is important in their lives.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Chemsoldier on April 04, 2020, 08:11:48 AM
Ham radio nets in my area have surged in participation.

People seem more interested in local news.

Despite distancing, we are talking to our neighbors more while on walks or over fences. We are talking to our next door neighbors about have a simultaneous backyard BBQ.  We will each do our own thing at the same time.

Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: ChEng on April 04, 2020, 09:05:29 AM
How about the improved health aspect? ...
David,
I had noticed that the Mrs., and I have stepped up our health stuff (increased vitamins, better food, more exercise, etc.,) but had not really thought about it as an effect of the pandemic. Of course, it really is, I had just not considered it. I just wanted us to build up our health a bit, just in case...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Mr. Bill on April 04, 2020, 09:14:06 AM
Seems like non-personal phone calls are a bit more personal -- sharing commiseration and best wishes with random salespeople and customer service folks.  Like we're all remembering that the person on the other end of the line is a fellow human being, and not just a business contact.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: LvsChant on April 04, 2020, 09:48:51 AM
Seems like non-personal phone calls are a bit more personal -- sharing commiseration and best wishes with random salespeople and customer service folks.  Like we're all remembering that the person on the other end of the line is a fellow human being, and not just a business contact.

I think that is true! I also find myself adding a little note on work emails, wishing the other person wellness and safety...
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Carver on April 04, 2020, 10:10:39 AM
I put together a poster adapting the Golden Rule to the present situation:
(https://i.postimg.cc/gr4nc04S/The-Covid-Rule.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gr4nc04S)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: PorcupineKate on April 06, 2020, 08:51:53 AM
A couple of good things because I need to focus on positives right now.

I had my first medical consultation over the internet this morning.  It was a follow up appointment and I loved it.  I didn't have to go anywhere and waste and hour and a half of my time to spend 15 minutes with the doctor.  I hope this doesn't go away once the worst of the isolation measures are over.

The online quilting groups I are sewing masks like crazy right now out of high quality quilting cotton. They are burning through their scrap piles to make masks for friends, family and any health providers who request them.  There are patterns now for wearing over a N95 mask to extend the life of the mask for those in the medical professions.  I am waiting on a shipment of more elastic before I start binge making masks. 

I am  talking to my neighbors more.  There are only 4 of us on our little street and plenty of room to keep 20 to 30 feet away.  We are sharing our eggs with them and helping one of them with their garden.   

A group of people who have recovered from the virus have donated blood to help develop a vaccine.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/04/01/new-york-synagogue-members-donate-blood-help-fight-covid-19/5101844002/


 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: FreeLancer on April 06, 2020, 01:42:24 PM
Boris Johnson is now in ICU and control of the government passed to the next in line of succession.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: David in MN on April 06, 2020, 04:08:24 PM
Here's a real weird one out of left field that's come up. Several years back I spent about $800 on a set of Powerblock adjustable weights that go from 10-90 lbs. I have a bench, kettlebells, battle ropes, a heavy bag, double end bag, Bulgarian bag, sledge hammer and tire, medicine balls, box jumps, agility ropes, and probably stuff I'm forgetting.

I did all this because I detest working out with other people. Public gyms are basically where women bench the bar and in between sets read and idiot guys collect all the dumbells so they can superset down. No thanks. Besides I doubt the local gym would let me do half the stuff I do.

One of the weird things I'm up to is discovering new workouts and exercises. My wife was VERY grateful after her gym closed that we had options. I have had friends text their jealousy.

I basically built an at home training camp because I like to work out by myself. Never thought it would be a pandemic prep. But to be able to burn off some steam with a variety of workouts and keep the mind focused is awesome.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Chemsoldier on April 06, 2020, 06:06:51 PM
So...umm...we got a bidet seat for the toilet about 6 months ago.  It has definitely reduced the throughput of s**t tickets. #silverlinings
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Morning Sunshine on April 06, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
So...umm...we got a bidet seat for the toilet about 6 months ago. 

We bought one also, a few years ago.. still haven't gotten around to setting it up.  It has definitely been bumped up the priority list.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Carver on April 06, 2020, 08:45:28 PM
One of our own that lives in Asia reports they use a sponge in a bowl of water/vinegar. Oh my.
Another little skill to master is using the left hand. It is very unethical to use the right hand.
I have learned to do a lot of things with my left hand but this isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: mountainmoma on April 07, 2020, 12:47:13 AM
One of our own that lives in Asia reports they use a sponge in a bowl of water/vinegar. Oh my.
Another little skill to master is using the left hand. It is very unethical to use the right hand.
I have learned to do a lot of things with my left hand but this isn't one of them.

Yeah, shared washing implements,  is not sanitary.  People I have heard of and known that dont use TP at least do not share washing or drying implements.  The cloth used is used once by a person and then put in the dirty container to be washed and sanatized ---
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Morning Sunshine on April 07, 2020, 07:40:59 AM
Yeah, shared washing implements,  is not sanitary.  People I have heard of and known that dont use TP at least do not share washing or drying implements.  The cloth used is used once by a person and then put in the dirty container to be washed and sanatized ---

I read a blog post years ago, before I found TSP, about a family who always used flannel squares.  They used and dropped into a bucket of vinegar water and then washed at the end of the day.  I have been thinking about that blog post quick a bit recently, trying to remember anything else about their system.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: mountainmoma on April 07, 2020, 09:37:54 AM
I read a blog post years ago, before I found TSP, about a family who always used flannel squares.  They used and dropped into a bucket of vinegar water and then washed at the end of the day.  I have been thinking about that blog post quick a bit recently, trying to remember anything else about their system.

Most I have heard of leave them not soaking in solution, for the same reasons it is now thought best to leave dirty diapers not soaking.  Soaking grows bacteria, and I know that is the idea of vinegar, but, I wouldnt soak.  And then movement and handling would be more likely for sloshing, etc...  just drop them into a cute coverd container next to the toilet, I have seen on a blog a repurposed tea kettle, or small ceramic compost container ( those are for smaller families)

Around here, even now, some households are going the in between route, which is to use a piece of flannel for the women for urination dabbing.  This doesnt have the pathogen issue.  SO, those flannels are just dropped into a container next to teh toilet to be washed. Then TP is used for defecation by all.  A roll of TP would last a person a long time like that.  For some of us, let's see 500 square roll divided by 3 squares, ok, 5 squares ... is 100 times so  3 months for a roll of TP.  That can realy stretch out TP use without worring about the pathogens
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: iam4liberty on April 07, 2020, 03:50:45 PM
Oh my.  Bet there is a bit of tension in that household.  Wonder how divorce rate is running these days?  I can see it going either way.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alton-illinois-mayor-wife-coronavirus-party_n_5e8bfed2c5b62459a92e0da5 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alton-illinois-mayor-wife-coronavirus-party_n_5e8bfed2c5b62459a92e0da5)

Illinois Mayor Sends Police To Break Up Parties. They Found His Wife At One Of Them.
The Alton, Ill., mayor said his wife showed a stunning lack of judgment in violating stay-at-home orders intended to stop the spread of coronavirus
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: David in MN on April 23, 2020, 09:27:57 AM
There is something odd about covering your face in public. I've worn an Israeli battle shemagh for years when out doing outside stuff. This week was the first time nobody blinked and other walkers asked what it was and how it worked. Imagine that, I went from having terrorist headgear to being the sensible guy.

You could walk into bank dressed as the villain of a cowboy movie with a bandana over your face and find social acceptance. We are adopting the visage of our greatest foes. From the outlaw cowboy to Darth Vader to Bane it's kind of an American troupe.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing and I think any tool to keep your hands off your face is good but it is kind of a sea change. Do I feel cool dressed in my shemagh and boonie hat? You betcha. But a month ago I'd be called a psychopath and looked on with disdain.

It's like we broke a cultural taboo and it feels odd.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: mountainmoma on April 27, 2020, 01:19:33 PM
Just try to see a doctor.  I have allergies to various things, including super bad hay fever every spring.  SO a week and a half ago I developed a rash, which is not usual.  ANd then, it didnt go away, it has spread.  Stopping taking various things has no effect.  SO I go to urgent care yesterday. Because I never get rashes or hives. Especially one that spreads over a week and does not go away. No new foods or meds for me to see an obvious cause.

This was easy, I drove thru to tents outside where they took my temperature and asked me questions.  My temp was 98.8, which is like the rest of you having a low grade fever, as my temp runs under 98 most of the time.  I told them, that is actually a low grade fever for me, but they dont care, so I get a pass to go inside. 

I see a doctor in person who wants me to go see an allergy specialist with an urgent request. SO he figures it is hives and it is bad and the specialist will need to do tests.

I just got a phone call to set up an "appointment" to set up a remote appointment.  I inform the receptionist, how is the doctor going to see the rash or test me over the phone ? SO, why should I bother ?   We are at an impasse. I saw a doctor yesterday, but I cant see one now at a different location ?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: David in MN on April 28, 2020, 01:48:39 PM
Really let this sink in for how off kilter it is. I have no problem covering my face in public. If it prevents spread I'm all about it. But I donated my N95s and I'm not going to loop panties over my ears so the natural choice is my shemagh.

But here's the rub: What would you have said on 9/11/2001 if I told you I would in 19 years literally wear a shemagh that looks exactly like those Jihadis and go about in polite society?

That is the most strange feeling. Like something that was forbidden for 20 years suddenly became not just acceptable but almost a good standard. I'll be honest it makes me a little humbled at how quick society can change. Very strange times.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: LvsChant on May 01, 2020, 06:15:44 PM
@David: That's an interesting point. While many were predicting that a pandemic would occur at some point, the way it has been handled and its impact on so many parts of our daily lives is striking.

I ordered some cloth facemasks (washable type with added filters) in early January, so DH and I each have simple black masks that we wear when we must go out to shop or other necessary thing. At first, it felt completely strange to be wearing the thing in public... it is getting much less so at this point.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Carver on May 01, 2020, 07:25:18 PM
Really let this sink in for how off kilter it is. I have no problem covering my face in public. If it prevents spread I'm all about it. But I donated my N95s and I'm not going to loop panties over my ears so the natural choice is my shemagh.

But here's the rub: What would you have said on 9/11/2001 if I told you I would in 19 years literally wear a shemagh that looks exactly like those Jihadis and go about in polite society?

That is the most strange feeling. Like something that was forbidden for 20 years suddenly became not just acceptable but almost a good standard. I'll be honest it makes me a little humbled at how quick society can change. Very strange times.
There will have to be codes of conduct that will allow you to wear a face covering if you are doing so for public health reasons but not if you are a thief or a terrorist.  :sarcasm:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: iam4liberty on May 02, 2020, 12:54:32 AM
One interesting thing the news hasnt covered much yet is all the talk among the climate scientists.  Since the pandemic started, global temperatures have been dropping at record pace.  This wasnt supposed to happen as CO2 levels in the air are still at near record highs.  None of the UN models can explain this.  It suggests another contributor.  One hypothesis is that it isnt CO2 but rather plane exhaust coverage that is causing greenhouse effect. Regardless, it is creating a lot of excitement aa people wait to see if the trend towards lower temps continue.

And the oil glut has all but extinguished peak oil concerns.  And air quality is looking much better. So, ironically the pandemic is potentially alleviating other big fears.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Greekman on May 02, 2020, 03:16:56 AM
my non-scientific POV is that transportation-in all- has gone down and heat generation by it too.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Redman on May 02, 2020, 04:37:59 AM
One interesting thing the news hasnt covered much yet is all the talk among the climate scientists.  Since the pandemic started, global temperatures have been dropping at record pace.  This wasnt supposed to happen as CO2 levels in the air are still at near record highs.  None of the UN models can explain this.  It suggests another contributor.  One hypothesis is that it isnt CO2 but rather plane exhaust coverage that is causing greenhouse effect. Regardless, it is creating a lot of excitement aa people wait to see if the trend towards lower temps continue.

And the oil glut has all but extinguished peak oil concerns.  And air quality is looking much better. So, ironically the pandemic is potentially alleviating other big fears.

So if you are a believer you could say that the one who created all has decided his creation needs a good housecleaning.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: iam4liberty on May 02, 2020, 05:02:53 AM
So if you are a believer you could say that the one who created all has decided his creation needs a good housecleaning.

A good housecleaning is preferred over another good bath!  Should we be worried that Noah has been the most popular boy's name in US over last decade?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Redman on May 02, 2020, 06:06:45 AM
A good housecleaning is preferred over another good bath!  Should we be worried that Noah has been the most popular boy's name in US over last decade?

 :clap:
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Morning Sunshine on May 02, 2020, 06:33:25 AM
A good housecleaning is preferred over another good bath!  Should we be worried that Noah has been the most popular boy's name in US over last decade?

Nah.  He said never again by water.  By fire, however... I believe that is next on the list (after the pestilence, famine, earthquakes, and war)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: iam4liberty on May 02, 2020, 07:21:07 AM
Nah.  He said never again by water.  By fire, however... I believe that is next on the list (after the pestilence, famine, earthquakes, and war)

Good news is we will no longer  have to beg the Russian or Chinese government for seats if we need a ship for that circumstance. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-nasa-international-space-station-may-27/#app (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-nasa-international-space-station-may-27/#app)
SpaceX will launch two astronauts to International Space Station on May 27, NASA says

Without mentioning coronavirus safety protocols and the shutdown of multiple NASA field centers, agency Administrator Jim Bridenstine said in a tweet that the agency aims to "once again launch American astronauts on American rockets from American soil!"
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Carver on May 02, 2020, 09:48:40 AM
I looked at my order history at Amazon and many of my previous purchased items, made in China, are no longer available.
Real estate prices are dropping. I looked up real estate properties and all of them have gone down, some quite dramatically. A good time to purchase getaway property?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Carver on May 09, 2020, 09:55:36 AM
This topic has been derailed.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Mr. Bill on May 09, 2020, 12:11:55 PM
This topic has been derailed.

Yup.  Weather discussion has been split off into a new topic in General News:

May weather extremes (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=65117.0)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Carver on May 17, 2020, 09:48:18 PM
I think this fits here, I'm all in support of moral boosting, I don't know how the fly-overs do that.
https://youtu.be/x2R75RZA-zI (https://youtu.be/x2R75RZA-zI)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: FreeLancer on May 17, 2020, 11:59:39 PM
Driving through the high desert this weekend I noticed a swath of multicolored shapes in the far distance.  As it got closer I could make out hundreds of airline tail logos from all over the world, all parked and waiting for business to pick up again.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: David in MN on May 18, 2020, 09:05:01 AM
I think this fits here, I'm all in support of moral boosting, I don't know how the fly-overs do that.
https://youtu.be/x2R75RZA-zI (https://youtu.be/x2R75RZA-zI)

Last Thursday had a Chinook circle over the house about 5 times. I guess I just assumed it was waiting to land at the airport. Didn't think much about it but the neighborhood kids thought it was cool. Who knows.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Carver on May 18, 2020, 09:43:36 AM
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Couple finds true love, marriage during coronavirus pandemic
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Couple-finds-true-love-marriage-during-15276050.php (https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Couple-finds-true-love-marriage-during-15276050.php)

And then there's this:

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Can your marriage survive the coronavirus?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/marriage-coronavirus-wellness/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/marriage-coronavirus-wellness/index.html)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Redman on May 19, 2020, 05:48:22 AM
Last Thursday had a Chinook circle over the house about 5 times. I guess I just assumed it was waiting to land at the airport. Didn't think much about it but the neighborhood kids thought it was cool. Who knows.

We live close to Joint Base Ellington. There is the 147th Recon. Group there, a bunch of Apache helicopters, Nasa, and the Lone Star Flight Museum based there. Always something going on here. We often hear planes taking off on afterburners, sometimes see on going ballistic. The WWII planes fly around here sometimes. Just a couple weeks ago there was a flight of 30 WWII planes passing overhead. There's nothing like the sound of that many round engines. Every time I here a military helicopter or radial engine I have to run outside and try to find it. More impressive to me than the jets. Always cool.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: iam4liberty on May 19, 2020, 12:03:00 PM
Worldwide CO2 emissions have dropped an estimated 17% globally, the largest drop ever recorded.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1210331 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1210331)
Carbon emissions dropped 17 percent globally amid coronavirus
“Globally, we haven’t seen a drop this big ever, and at the yearly level, you would have to go back to World War II to see such a big drop in emissions."

Yet, CO2 concentration in the atmosphere continues to rise.  This is because of natural emissions of CO2 which dwarf manmade sources.  Even this huge reduction from human emissions is so small in absolute terms that it is undetectable against natural fluctuations.

April 2020:    416.21 ppm
April 2019:   413.33 ppm
Last updated: May 5, 2020

(https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/webdata/ccgg/trends/co2_trend_mlo.png)
(https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/webdata/ccgg/trends/co2_data_mlo.png)

Quite an interesting side effect to the COVID-19 pandemic.  We are learning a lot  about the drivers of CO2 concentration and global temperature.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Greekman on May 26, 2020, 04:20:19 AM
I think we will be seeing a redefinition/reformation from working from home.
It seems that not all is cheesy and convenient, since the bad after effects have started.
1. Many employers are taking advantage of the situation and require their employees be available during the whole day of.
2. Studies show that performance has dropped for people that work at home while kids are around.

And something interesting I learned while studying for an agronomist certification.
Labor is a resource, but its specific characteristic is that it is NOT storable.
An old time factory cannot plug on and off its labor forces.
But working from home, allows that specifically.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Morning Sunshine on May 26, 2020, 06:27:54 AM
I think we will be seeing a redefinition/reformation from working from home.
It seems that not all is cheesy and convenient, since the bad after effects have started.
1. Many employers are taking advantage of the situation and require their employees be available during the whole day of.
2. Studies show that performance has dropped for people that work at home while kids are around.

My husband works from home, and has for most of the last 13 years.  We have had lots of experience with this "new" phenomenon.

1 - yeah, I can see that.  My husband's company is a small tech company, and yes, he is "on-call" most of the day.  But with his co-workers in Puerto Rico and New Zealand, the three of them are able to be "on-call" at different hours and not be awoken.  They have it worked out that they have meetings at a certain time so that they can all be there, early-late, depending on location.  I think there will be some learning that goes on.  For example, employees being able to get up and start work at 5am if they want, and end at 2.  Part of that working, however, is a good communication.  Boss knows what time the worker is "on" and not expecting more of that.  Scheduling a strict meeting time so everyone can attend the meeting and plan it into the day, and work around that.

2.  Kids.  We have always had a strict "when dad is in his office, he is working" policy.  The kids are not to disturb him without talking to me first so I can see if he is available.  If I leave, the kids can only disturb him in cases of "broke, burning, or bleeding."  The hardest is when the baby-toddler realizes that her favorite daddy is NOT gone all day, but just on the other side of that door.  Then she bangs on the door and cries "daddy-daddy-daddy" and feels neglected and abandoned and unloved when daddy doesn't open the door.  It also breaks daddy's heart cuz we know if he opens that door, it will teach said child he can be disturbed whenever.  It takes a while, but our method was for me to come snag said crying child, love her happy, explain "daddy is working and loves you very much.  How about we make him a snack, and I can find out when you can take it down to him?"  And then she toddles a treat down, gets lots of love and comes back up.  But we teach that I am the gatekeeper.  The older kids have also been known to slip notes under the door to answer at his convenience.


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And something interesting I learned while studying for an agronomist certification.
Labor is a resource, but its specific characteristic is that it is NOT storable.
An old time factory cannot plug on and off its labor forces.
But working from home, allows that specifically.

I do not understand.  How does working from home allow labor to be stored?  Will you expound?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Greekman on May 26, 2020, 08:58:28 AM
I do not understand.  How does working from home allow labor to be stored?  Will you expound?

By either
1. setting an odd timetable i.e. the boss demanding from your husband's team to split the day in three and cover it in shifts. this way the company does not have to have the three on site at the same time.
2. by demanding an employee being on call 24/7 and be paid by the actual hours expended, with waiting time non-payable.
The worst case of the latter (work for 8 hours from home AND cover -without extra pay- emergencies after that) is already happening in Greece.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Carver on May 26, 2020, 10:27:35 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/25/report-national-lockdown-in-italy-drives-30-increase-in-divorces/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/25/report-national-lockdown-in-italy-drives-30-increase-in-divorces/)
Report: National Lockdown in Italy Drives 30% Increase in Divorces
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: ChEng on May 26, 2020, 07:36:30 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/25/report-national-lockdown-in-italy-drives-30-increase-in-divorces/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/25/report-national-lockdown-in-italy-drives-30-increase-in-divorces/)
Report: National Lockdown in Italy Drives 30% Increase in Divorces
I've heard stuff like this before. Not this specific country, nor this specific number, but that domestic troubles have gone sky high.

That is why I changed my schedule to spend a full hour for breakfast with my wife, and another hour for lunch, followed by an hour specifically for playing games, talking, or otherwise spending time with her. We also spend 20-30 minutes, several times a day, sitting on our swing, enjoying each other's company. You don't get to 40 years of great marriage without putting a lot of work into it - but it's well worth it. (Ephesians 5:25 - "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her" - I'll gladly give myself up for Mrs. ChEng.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: iam4liberty on May 26, 2020, 07:41:29 PM

You don't get to 40 years of great marriage without putting a lot of work into it - but it's well worth it. (Ephesians 5:25 - "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her" - I'll gladly give myself up for Mrs. ChEng.)

Congrats on the 40 years!  Lots of wisdom here.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: ChEng on May 27, 2020, 04:25:53 AM
Congrats on the 40 years!  Lots of wisdom here.
Thanks, actually 40 this December, I've been blessed with a great gal. And that wisdom was hard-earned; I often say that I wish I had the body I had when I was a kid of 20, but I would not be willing to give up the wisdom to get that body.  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Hurricane on June 30, 2020, 03:31:22 PM
If the schools stay closed into the fall, we might find ourselves transitioning to All on-line education a lot sooner than we once thought.
Think of the money we would save! No need for school buildings. No buses.
The more dedicated teachers could monitor the on-line programs.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: LvsChant on June 30, 2020, 09:49:23 PM
We're actually hoping it continues online in the fall... it will make it easier for our younger son to take a couple of courses remotely from his old university while he waits to transition here in another state...

Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: Prepper456 on July 01, 2020, 07:24:42 AM
If the schools stay closed into the fall, we might find ourselves transitioning to All on-line education a lot sooner than we once thought.
Think of the money we would save! No need for school buildings. No buses.
The more dedicated teachers could monitor the on-line programs.

think about more people on unemployment, think about more latchkey kids home alone as both parents work one or more jobs each, think about how easy it would be for kids to skip their classes, but i will bet you that there will still be school sports, as god forbid that those programs like football will be cut
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: iam4liberty on July 01, 2020, 08:15:43 AM
We are opening all our schools in fall.  In fact, we should be removing all remaing business restrictines starting Friday.  That's the advantage of doing widespread antibidy and active virus testing, proper contact tracing, quarantining only those ill, and not promoting riots.  In other words, putting science above politics.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous side-effects of the COVID-19 situation
Post by: iam4liberty on July 01, 2020, 01:45:45 PM
In fact, we should be removing all remaing business restrictines starting Friday.

Well, the governor decided to keep some of the reduced bar, restaurant, entertainment venue restrictions on for another two weeks because of potential issues with surrounding states.  Otherwise our restrictions are off on Friday.