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COVID-19 Coronavirus Pandemic / Re: The Pandemic Kitchen
« Last post by Morning Sunshine on Today at 03:35:46 PM »
update from the grocery stores in Northern Utah.

I hit Sam's club, the "scratch-and-dent," the health food, and the regular local grocery store. 

Shelves were low, but MOST of the buying limits were gone.  Sam's had TP and water with no limits.  The discount store had bacon for $2/pound (I will be canning the 40# I bought; I had to do that so I can make sure to get 14 oz of MEAT per pint jar); the cashier did not even blink at the amount.  They also had 25# bags of flour, oats, and wheat; pallets of them.  That was limited to 3 bags per variety per customer.
The health food store had suggestions that you do not "stock up" at this time so that everyone who needs something can get it.
The regular grocery store had no limits on anything I could see EXCEPT yeast.  But at least they had yeast.

Oh, and I stopped at the farm store - a different one from last week (I should have gone to the other one but it is far on the other side of town and I just didn't want to; pretty sure they would have had my item).  They had chicks - lots of them and said they had no trouble getting them in.  They did not, however, have my pressure canner gage I need :(
US intelligence knew about the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak in late November.

ABC, 4/8/20: Intelligence report warned of coronavirus crisis as early as November: Sources

As far back as late November, U.S. intelligence officials were warning that a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population, according to four sources briefed on the secret reporting.

Concerns about what is now known to be the novel coronavirus pandemic were detailed in a November intelligence report by the military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI), according to two officials familiar with the document’s contents.

The report was the result of analysis of wire and computer intercepts, coupled with satellite images. ...

"Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," one of the sources said of the NCMI’s report. "It was then briefed multiple times to" the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s Joint Staff and the White House. ...

From that warning in November, the sources described repeated briefings through December for policy-makers and decision-makers across the federal government as well as the National Security Council at the White House. All of that culminated with a detailed explanation of the problem that appeared in the President’s Daily Brief of intelligence matters in early January, the sources said. For something to have appeared in the PDB, it would have had to go through weeks of vetting and analysis, according to people who have worked on presidential briefings in both Republican and Democratic administrations. ...
Mountain, you will be in my prayers today.  That is all I can offer right now.  :)

That is helpful, Sunshine, I do appreciate it, just forgot to say so earlier ! Hard when not feeling well. And, I have been feeling better, not feeling sick any more, and spirit up too.  Made myself some brownies the other day, and a few more interesting meals, like the Palak panner, and stir fry with peanut sauce, i am due for soup again, but will make 1/2 batch ! So it cycles thru quicker.

Still not as productive at all as I should be, but, it is a very very off-kilter time, wierd vibes all over. 
COVID-19 Coronavirus Pandemic / Re: The Pandemic Kitchen
« Last post by mountainmoma on Today at 12:42:30 PM »
Yup. I have about 6 months worth of hummus and homemade crackers. Add any grilled meat with an ethnic (Italian, Mideast, Indian) rub and no complaints by the campfire. Homemade crackers and hummus is like the appetizer at high end restaurants. It can be made at home in minutes from storables.

Yes, hummus is an easy last minute bring to a potluck item here as well.  But, I dont do it with crackers, I roll out yeast dough onto a hot cast iron pan with a lid and do fresh pocket bread.  I keep brown sesame seeds in the refridgerator, I do not use the tahini paste, and brown those on a hot pan, then add with fresh garlic, apple cider vinegar, and olive oil in the blender with the garbanzos, salt, pepper and cumin.  I get rave reviews at parties with it, very tasty, fast and inexpensive.  I do usually use canned garbanzos so I can do it last minute.  The other way we eat it is with store bought thick blue corn tortilla chips and carrot sticks, this is what we ate on our road trip to see family out of state at Christmas in the car.  It is also brought to last minute forgotten potlucks or parties that way, throw together the hummus at home, drop by a store on the way for the chips
COVID-19 Coronavirus Pandemic / Re: The Pandemic Kitchen
« Last post by ChEng on Today at 12:39:05 PM »
Thanks, it looks interesting, but I think that I'll give it a pass until things lighten up a bit (we aren't hurting right now.) I would hate to be the straw that broke the Azure camel's back.  :D
COVID-19 Coronavirus Pandemic / Re: The Pandemic Kitchen
« Last post by ChEng on Today at 12:37:04 PM »
Mods, if this is in the wrong place, please accept my apology, and move it as needed.

...freeze the left-overs into meal-sized packets. We use a vacuum sealer, and it does a pretty good job of keeping things ready for quick meals. When we have something that sets up like a cake (some firmer casseroles, dinner-type pies, etc.,) we cut it into serving-sized pieces and then freeze it before sealing those pieces. ...
This is one of those cake-like dinners:
Quote from: Hamburger Pie
A girl, named Una, whose father was stationed at Bergstrom AFB at the same time that we were there, gave this recipe to us. Her family went to the same Base Chapel church service that we went to, and she, my wife and I became friends. She gave us this recipe and said that we could modify it with many variations.

We have tried this with many different veggies (basically anything that you would like on pizza would work well.) We have also used pizza/spaghetti sauce in place of the ketchup, and sausage in place of the ground beef and with shredded mozzarella. This also works well using taco meat and shredded cheddar, and having a Mexican-type meal. One more variation that has gone well is to use chili (without beans turned out better than with) in place of the meat and ketchup and some of the veggies - Chili Pie! Experiment, and have yummy fun.

2 boxes of Jiffy Corn Bread
2/3 cups of milk (for the Jiffy mix)
2 large eggs (for the Jiffy mix)
1 Lb ground meat, browned
1 cup of chopped onions
1 cup of chopped bell peppers
1 cup of chopped mushrooms
1 Lb shredded cheese
Salt and pepper to taste

Mix 1 box of Jiffy Corn Bread mix per directions, but use two eggs, rather than the one in the directions. Pour the batter into the bottom of a cake pan. Layer the browned ground meat on the batter, and then add a layer of veggies [onions, peppers, mushrooms, etc.] Spread a layer of ketchup on top of the veggies, and then add a layer of the shredded cheese. Add salt and pepper to taste. Top it off with another box of Jiffy batter, mixed with the two remaining eggs.

Place in oven pre-heated to 350 degree F, and cook for 45 minutes, or until top is golden brown.

This also scales up well; we often use a large lasagna pan, and double the recipe. It turns out well.

Serving suggestion: We cut the pie (like we would a cake) into individual meal-sized pieces and then freeze over night. When thoroughly frozen, take the pieces and vacuum-seal them then return to the freezer. We package them for the two of us; to serve those two-person-sized packs, take out of the freezer, cut a tiny hole for the steam to escape, and microwave on high for about 2 minutes - the vacuum-seal bag will puff up, heating the pie with the steam. Flip up side down, and microwave for another 2 minutes. Experiment and adjust times for whatever size packs you use.
COVID-19 Coronavirus Pandemic / Re: The Pandemic Kitchen
« Last post by mountainmoma on Today at 12:31:58 PM »
Mama, I know of Azure as Microsoft's cloud computing platform. Is your Azure the "Azure, the Standard of Healthy and Abundant Living" ( site?


I have been a part of a monthly food order for the past almost 30 years, not Azure until the last recent years, we used to have bulk order co-ops we would form, with different distributers. So, it is part of my lifestyle, and my kids were raised seeing, very little buying in stores and bulk orders of cases or 25 lb bags, and then direct farm purchases, CSA's back when they were CSA's and new, and later farmers markets or our own backyard. 

But, others are now seeing the advantage of ordering from Azure and joining in, straining supplies past breaking, and also regular customers who might have price shopped before are now deciding it is all from Azure
Gardening and Agriculture / Kratky Containers
« Last post by flynnguy on Today at 12:28:01 PM »
I'm surprised there isn't more Kratky discussions on here but I found what I think is an ingenious container for herbs and small plants. Soda/Beer cans, especially the new 19.2oz ones. Using a regular can opener, you can remove the top (without leaving any jagged edges) and it fits a 2" net cup perfectly.

I'm just getting started with hydro/kratky but I think these will work well, the only real downside is they are light and might tip over easily. However, you could put them in a 6 pack holder which would probably help. I dunno, I'm gonna give it a shot.
COVID-19 Coronavirus Pandemic / Re: The Pandemic Kitchen
« Last post by ChEng on Today at 12:25:47 PM »
...Well, me and the other ladies in the family find ourselves frantically checking the Azure website ...
Mama, I know of Azure as Microsoft's cloud computing platform. Is your Azure the "Azure, the Standard of Healthy and Abundant Living" ( site?
...Unfortunately, with being basically unofficially medically retired (not enough strength/endurance to have any real income, taking money out of our retirement fund to live) those prices are out of my reach. Free to $10 is more along the lines of my budget. ...
For anyone else in my financial situation (or anyone who wishes to conserve their money,) I found a video on a paper Battleship game ( He does not follow the Hasbro rules (different ships,) but it seems pretty playable. I made one of these paper game boards, and will be checking it out later today. If anyone would like the file (MS Word .doc) give me a couple of days to fine-tune it and I will make it available.
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