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Title: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on October 21, 2009, 03:13:53 PM
Ok so I am new to TSP. I bought some land, 2 acres, a few years ago. On this land I have around 40 apple trees, 2 peach trees, 1 walnut tree, 1 HUGE chestnut tree, and 2 pear trees.  

The previous owner used to sell to local farmers markets or something like that as a retirement.   When I took over the house he had been dead for many years already and his widow had let everything run wild.  Now some of the trees look very sickly and some are looking very strong.  

The majority of the trees are smashed into a quarter acre tract in the rear of the property and then I have a random smattering of fruit trees throughout the rest of the yard.

I was thinking I would remove the sickly ones and then prune the stronger ones. Should I just prune them all and let the sickly ones come back to health? I'm feeling overwhelmed by all these trees!

What is the best way to approach a local farmers market or grocery?  What do I need to do to sell this as "organic"  

Can I prune now with it being so close to winter or should I wait until winter is over?  

I take some apples every year, but 99% of the apples just fall off and rot on the ground and as a new urban survivalist I can't abide all this waste!! This tree situation is stressing me the heck out. This might seem like a dream situation for a survivalist to find himself in, but for me this has all the makings of another full time job.

So do I get out the loppers or the chainsaw?

I posted this also to the  regional board on here. I am in pittsburgh PA

The apples are pretty good. Any apple experts able to identify the type?


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Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ubergeek on October 21, 2009, 03:23:08 PM
Eat some, sell some, can some, make apple sauce, can some apple sauce, apple cider, apple wine...give what you can't use away, or buy some buckets and let people pick a bucket full for $x, just a few ideas. No reason to let it go to waste.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Herbalpagan on October 21, 2009, 03:58:57 PM
You have a gold mine! If you know what you are doing, just prune (no more than 1/3 in any year). If you don't get some guy who knows to come in and do it for you or show you how.
Fruit is good for your stockpile, but you can also make juice (FREE, 100% pure and all your own!)
You can also make a few bucks and maybe even pay the taxes on the land and house with it. That's being a homestead and self sufficient!
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: KYdoomer on October 21, 2009, 04:01:44 PM
You will want to wait until the heart of winter when the trees are good and dormant.

Trim everything from 3 feet up down near the trunk.  Don't leave stubs.

Don't prune too much on apple trees.

Remove any branches pointing down or contacting other branches.

Your goal is to remove branches that obstruct light.  This is an artform.

Oh and I'd prune the sickly ones and hope they come back.  Learn to can and dry.  When that becomes boring, give them away.  I'll send you my address!  LOL

J
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: KYdoomer on October 21, 2009, 04:07:24 PM
Variety looks like winesap, honeycrisp or some "delicious" hybrid.

J
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: HelenWheels on October 21, 2009, 04:09:03 PM
Just a thought..

What trees you do cut down, maybe you could cut and season the wood for sale later for applewood smoking chips.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on October 21, 2009, 05:11:39 PM
Ok so I am new to TSP. I bought some land, 2 acres, a few years ago. On this land I have around 40 apple trees, 2 peach trees, 1 walnut tree, 1 HUGE chestnut tree, and 2 pear trees.  
What is the best way to approach a local farmers market or grocery?  What do I need to do to sell this as "organic"  
Can I prune now with it being so close to winter or should I wait until winter is over?  
I take some apples every year, but 99% of the apples just fall off and rot on the ground and as a new urban survivalist I can't abide all this waste!! This tree situation is stressing me the heck out. This might seem like a dream situation for a survivalist to find himself in, but for me this has all the makings of another full time job.
So do I get out the loppers or the chainsaw?I posted this also to the  regional board on here. I am in pittsburgh PA
The apples are pretty good. Any apple experts able to identify the type?
Wow I consider you EXTREMELY blessed if you're not afraid of a little hard work and it doesn't sound as if you are. I think you got great answers from everyone who posted so far. First I think the apples are possibly called Maiden Blush but I am absolutely not an expert - we had a tree with those and the picture looks similar. Maiden Blush originated back east (Philadelphia I think) although we are in Colorado.  As far as what is organic - don't use any pesticides or treatments/waxes and I think you are well within the guidelines of calling them organic. I'm sure your apples would sell easily.  I know I'd buy some if you were close.  Visit your local farmers market and find out who's in charge and ask what it takes to sell there.  Sometimes you can find this info on the internet by just typing in farmers market and your area as I found this info when I was looking to supplement some of the stuff we don't grow. You could also check the Backwoods Home Magazine website (www.backwoodshome.com (http://www.backwoodshome.com)) for info as they are a treasure trove of good stuff especially the Ask Jackie column - you can even email her for answers.  She grows a lot of things and I'm sure has some good advice. As far a a second full time job - could it replace your first or if there is a spouse, theirs? Or if there are children could they be recruited to help?  Could you become totally self-sufficient by doing you job and selling apples for a while and then make it your only job? Could you set up a fruit stand on the weekends on your property to sell homemade apple cider, applesauce, etc. and of course ORGANIC apples?  I guess I see infinite possibilities on your two acres.  I know I would try to make it work somehow because this opportunity could take you on the route of becoming a totally self-sufficient ant.  Wishing you good luck and many blessings.  Keep us posted as to how it goes!!  TBM
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on October 22, 2009, 07:03:39 AM
Thanks for the pep talk guys. I know I am blessed with this land even though my consumer mindset didn't even consider this an asset when I purchased the house, now after listening to TSP it has my mind swirling but I feel so overwhelmed by the sheer quantity of things I have going on at the moment that it just makes me do nothing.

I have a few trees that have fallen and I did have a lot of interest in friends wanting apple chips or chunks for smoking so that is definitely something people want.  Looks like you can sell a burlap sak of dried chunks of apple wood for $5.

I do have a follow-up question. I was out inspecting the apples this past weekend and ended up kicking up a hive. I got stung 30+ times. Should I go in with some hornet/wasp spray and nuke them or is there a better way to deal with them?

As for knowing what I am doing? I have absolutely no clue! I have no kids...yet. I'll be turning 32 this month so were thinking that kids are a year away at most. It would be great to have this thing going while I have the time now. I'm thinking it might be worth it to pay a tree service to just to do the initial trim and cleanup of the orchard, I had considered that possibility as I have a very strong DIY mindset, but in this case my logic is that the tree service could get me up to that maintenance mode I need to be in and take away a lot of the stress of this endeavor. 

A friend had suggested that the local agriculture departments have tons of free info and pamphlets they can give you that have information on organic fruit trees so I will look into that and post the results.

I'll be researching and compiling a list of local farmers markets. If I have any success I'll report back with the results of this project if anyone is at all interested in how this goes. Also if anyone is in the PGH area feel free to look me up.   

I had a bunch of things I want to make and I'm sure the list will grow. If anyone spots a good used cider press I am looking..



Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: KYdoomer on October 22, 2009, 07:36:23 AM
My advice is to not go near the nest.  You've done the hard work by finding it.  Wait until Winter when they go dormant then go into seek and destroy mode.  There should be no risk of stings.  Its turning colder here now.  I was able to find our yellow jacket queen by sheer circumstance and dispatch her quickly.  You and I may get crap for this but the use for hornets to kill bad insects is much overshadowed by their ability to inflict pain and ruin a good time in the orchard.

While you are calling the local universities, you may ask them if any of their professors would be interested in bringing a class out to your location and having him teach you and them the pruning methods.  Just an idea.  If nothing else, watch the tree service closely, I'm sure they wouldn't mind telling you what they are doing as well.  That way you only need to rely on someone else once and then you'll have that knowledge forever.

I'm jealous though, you've got a good setup.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Possenti2264 on October 22, 2009, 07:42:01 AM
You could just get some neighbor kids together to pick them.  Then stick a big hand-painted sign at your driveway announcing apples for sale.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: SigMan34 on October 22, 2009, 01:02:38 PM
ladieu, don't feel like the lone ranger......or fruit farmer. I've been living in my current location for six years with old overgrown, uncared for apple and pear trees (only four trees though!) that were only a pain in the butt due to the drops falling on the ground. Once I got connected to TSP and interested in prepping a couple months ago, I realized I was crazy for not trying to save the fruit.

So I guess you 'n' me better get out the pruning tools come January/February!!! It'll be an interesting challenge, don't you think? I haven't even begun my research yet, but the good folks here have me pointed in the right direction. Check this out:    http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=9784.msg108005#msg108005 (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=9784.msg108005#msg108005)   
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on October 22, 2009, 01:12:08 PM
Yeah for sure man! Thanks for checking in. Glad I'm not the only one eating store bought fruit while enough fruit to stock the grocery store 10 times over rots in the backyard! ha ha.

Keep me posted on your success.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on October 22, 2009, 01:18:50 PM
Just read your thread and subscribed. I ordered that "backyard orchardist"  book a few days ago so hopefully that will deliver the goods.

Once I get these pruned I'll make some videos for the benefit of the community. EIther a "how to" if it works out for me, or a "what not to do" if it doesn't

Either way...

;)
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: jbritely on October 22, 2009, 01:50:26 PM
There are a few "pick your own" apple farms near me that seem to do very well.  You could keep it small and just offer to friends and family too: come pick some apples.  The bad ones go into apple cider.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: SigMan34 on October 22, 2009, 01:56:47 PM
Yeah for sure man! Thanks for checking in. Glad I'm not the only one eating store bought fruit while enough fruit to stock the grocery store 10 times over rots in the backyard! ha ha.

Keep me posted on your success.

I sure will. I have to take before/after photos, as well. Too bad I already missed shots of the grass full of half-rotten drops!!!  :-[

My right knee is sore from trying so hard to kick myself in the butt for not getting with this program (and so much more) sooner. Better late than never, I hope.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on October 22, 2009, 02:03:46 PM
you sound more diligent than me. I just run the rotting fruit over with the lawnmower or just let it lay. Sadly the walnuts and chestnuts suffer the same fate. A few years back I harvested a few bushels of chestnuts, now that is just a terrible job. Even with thick gloves those things really get you.  I'm sure there is a better way, I'll search for some youtube videos.

I'll take some pictures of everything I have going on this weekend.  One bad thing is the orchard is fenced off from the rest of my yard, so rerouting the fence is yet another major project, or else I won't be able to drive my truck to that part of the yard (god I'm such a red neck!)

Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: SigMan34 on October 22, 2009, 02:10:39 PM
Whoa, you're getting the wrong idea...........I'm not diligent.........the drops were just pitched into the wooded area outside the lawn --- preferably before they turned to mush!   ;)

Hey, hey, don't be using "redneck" in a negative   sense around me now!!!  ;D  Some of my best friends and ALL my relatives (and therefore, me too) are rednecks!!!
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on October 22, 2009, 02:33:29 PM
ha ha, not a problem. I just never pictured myself as someone who would be driving an old beatup pickup truck around their yard. A pickup truck that never leaves the yard in fact... but I actually digging it so its more of a badge of honor now
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: mash on October 22, 2009, 05:22:24 PM
Plenty of rural land owners here in Australia have old beat-up Land Cruisers that have not been registered for 10 years, just to drive around the property!

Ladieu, I have to agree with the other people that have answered above, don't cut down any of those trees until you know what you have... With a little TLC one of them might come back strong and turn out to be your best producer!

I ordered this book but have not got it yet... http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Grower-Guide-Organic-Orchardist/dp/1931498911/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256253166&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Grower-Guide-Organic-Orchardist/dp/1931498911/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256253166&sr=8-1) It's got some good reviews though.

If you got some chickens they would do a pretty good job of cleaning up all the apples that drop. Less work for you, they eat all the bugs that want to live in the rotten fruit, plus you get eggs out of it!

It would probably be fine to call your stuff organic, but you wouldn't be able to call it "certified organic" without getting certification... just a thought.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on December 24, 2009, 07:28:10 AM
Dudes,

took a quick vid of the current state of my orchard. Plan to follow up after I start my prune

Orchard Rehabilitation #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvcQHOQQ2QA&feature=player_embedded#normal)
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Dawgus on December 28, 2009, 10:29:35 AM
 We had a similar situation here at home. Next door is whats left of a 5 acre apple orchard. Besides the apple trees, there are blackberries, pears, and grapes. The owner rents the house, and neither he or the tenants do anything at all with the produce. The owner was happy to let me prune and take care of whats left. (several were just too far gone or lost during storms) His tenant mows that 5 acres with a lawn tractor, and I mow with the LoBoy when I can just to help out. (sure its brown-nosing but it helps keep good terms with the owner)
 Every year we pick apples and can applesause and pie filling. The grapes and berries go to jam and jelly, and the pear to preserves. This year alone we got 35 qts of applesauce, 30qts pie filling, 45lbs blackberries, and ended up with over 50 1/2 pint jars of  grape jelly...all for nothing but a bit of my time next door. Last year in one weekend i managed to get 14 5 gallon buckets of grapes.
 I started a small local urban homesteading group in my area,and I barter apples with other members for other produce or items. This year I got honey, chickens, feeders, and even hard cider for trading apples that aren't even mine! You could always try something like this and find locals to barter for other goods, it's worked out great for me. Baret is a great thing many people overlook.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on December 28, 2009, 10:38:07 AM
Every year we pick apples and can applesause and pie filling. The grapes and berries go to jam and jelly, and the pear to preserves. This year alone we got 35 qts of applesauce, 30qts pie filling, 45lbs blackberries, and ended up with over 50 1/2 pint jars of  grape jelly...all for nothing but a bit of my time next door. 

I'm so jealous!!  So cool that it was free except for your sweat and playing nice! Ah what preppers can do when they think like preppers.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: cowdog on December 28, 2009, 10:40:09 AM
Ladiue,
Where are you in general location to Pittsburgh? Shoot me a PM. There is still a commerical cider press about 25 miles north of Pittsburgh, and there is also a roving tree pruner working these parts who is VERY good. Here is a link from my wife's old blog........
http://grannymillerblog.blogspot.com/2007/12/apple-trees.html (http://grannymillerblog.blogspot.com/2007/12/apple-trees.html)
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: cohutt on December 28, 2009, 03:01:22 PM
Your shoulders are going to be in shape by spring

two links

1 http://www.weekendgardener.net/how-to/prune-apple-trees.htm (http://www.weekendgardener.net/how-to/prune-apple-trees.htm)
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2 http://www.stihlusa.com/polepruners/telescoping.html (http://www.stihlusa.com/polepruners/telescoping.html)

Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on January 04, 2010, 07:50:10 AM
Thanks for the links, I'll be in touch.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Cool Blue on January 04, 2010, 08:03:19 AM
If you need help picking and pruning I'd suggest contacting a local food bank/church group.

Offer to give them half of the harvest for helping you.

Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Stein on January 14, 2010, 10:49:39 AM
If you need help picking and pruning I'd suggest contacting a local food bank/church group.

Offer to give them half of the harvest for helping you.



That's the line of thought I had.  I would make a few calls to county extensions that may offer pruning classes and offer my trees if they need a place to hold the class.  I would also think about craigslist posts, as we would rather see someone get free apples than watch them rot.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Crispy Critter on January 17, 2010, 10:34:56 AM
Ladieu...and other orchardists. I FEEL YOUR PAIN!

I worked a 400+ peach tree orchard for two seasons here in central Texas. I took the orchard over from an individual who inherited it from her father. He was an amazing orchardist...she didn't inherit her father's passion for fruit trees. So, I entered the orchard of 12+ year-old trees which had not been pruned for 3-4 years. It was my first major pruning job and took over two weeks to complete. I had to develop a method that would vary the physical tasks being performed. I broke the tasks down into the following chores (bear in mind, peach trees are pruned in a 'bowl' fashion, allowing light and air circulation in the middle of the tree as well as the outer perimeter branches and limbs, therefore I was pruning limbs anywhere from 4" diameter to 1/2" diameter "fountain" shoots). Varying my chores kept my muscles from turning into knotted burl from using loppers above my head for 12-14 hours. Breaking this daunting task into individual chores made for pleasant work at whatever pace I could handle. Remember that safety goggles, gloves and hearing protection (chainsaw, chipper) are absolutely necessary for this task. Also, it is critical...I mean absolutely CRITICAL that you do not go into your orchard to start pruning unless you have notified a family member or neighbor (or bring a really smart dog!). I only make this point due to the age and size of trees you will be working with. I'm guessing your experience with the hornets has put you on guard, as well.

NEVER TAKE OUT MORE THAN 1/3 OF A TREE'S CANOPY PER YEAR!

0) create a map of your orchard, carry a COPY with you along with a good pencil - update the map each time you visit; map every tree, path, fence line, irrigation line, sprinkler/emitter, etc.
1) mark limbs for removal with colored surveyor's tape; (whenever I would reach my physical limit of pruning, I'd drop my tools and just start moseying through the orchard, marking limbs which needed removal)
2) inspect each individual tree for disease and/or damage, mark diseased limbs with a different color tape so they can be destroyed; make corresponding mark on your map;
3) inspect mulch depth and irrigation lines/system if applicable;
4) remove "fountain" suckers;
5) remove large limbs from ground/ladder/climbing inside "bowl";
6) remove limbs crossing another or growing in toward center trunk;
7) have a chipper available so you can chip on those days when you simply cannot prune another twig;
8) keep your chainsaw sharp, sharp, sharp!!
9) use a dilute 10-percent bleach solution in a spray bottle to disinfect your cutting tools after finished with a tree (even the chainsaw, though it might not be needed due to the heat generated by the chain and bar...anybody have input on this?) - this solution will help prevent the spread of any disease between trees due to your own actions;
10) take a break every now and then, admire your work, admire your setting (thank your lucky stars if you are so inclined), take a deep breath and get back to it!
11) okay, so not all of these are actual tasks, I just didn't want to reformat my message...it's getting sunny outside and I'm feeling the beckon call of a garden bed needing my attention.

I hope these observations are helpful. If I think of anything else, I'll add it to this thread. I can't wait to hear about your progress.

Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on January 18, 2010, 07:18:01 AM
Thanks for taking the time to reply! I'll be doing my first round of pruning this weekend! I'll take some pics and post them here.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Crispy Critter on January 18, 2010, 08:08:56 PM
One other thing I forgot, try to make your pruning cuts about 1/8-1/4 inch above any terminal buds. (Other orchardists, please correct me if I am wrong. I have only worked with five apple trees in the past.) Proper pruning cuts make for a more productive tree. Cutting too long (i.e. too far away from a terminal bud) creates small sections of dead wood at the end of your branch. Cutting too close has a negative affect on any growth coming from the terminal bud. That said, don't be intimidated. Have a good look at each tree before you make the first cut. Plan on how to make the least number of cuts to create your desired effect. Review your work after you've made a few major cuts. Revise your pruning plan accordingly. I'll post more of my orchard experiences as they surface.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: KYdoomer on January 18, 2010, 08:25:13 PM
One other thing I forgot, try to make your pruning cuts about 1/8-1/4 inch above any terminal buds. (Other orchardists, please correct me if I am wrong. I have only worked with five apple trees in the past.) Proper pruning cuts make for a more productive tree. Cutting too long (i.e. too far away from a terminal bud) creates small sections of dead wood at the end of your branch. Cutting too close has a negative affect on any growth coming from the terminal bud. That said, don't be intimidated. Have a good look at each tree before you make the first cut. Plan on how to make the least number of cuts to create your desired effect. Review your work after you've made a few major cuts. Revise your pruning plan accordingly. I'll post more of my orchard experiences as they surface.

That is correct.  You may want to also tip each branch.  The terminal buds (at the end) create a hormone called auxin (sp?).  The hormone halts the auxiliary buds (further down) from forming new growth.  By tipping the end you can give more buds a chance to become the best branches that you want to keep to produce more fruit.

J
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Sweethearts Mom on January 21, 2010, 07:08:32 PM
I can not wait to have a full orchard. I planted a pair of Granny Smiths last year. I just bought 3 Arkansas Blacks and a walnut trees onlline; The are only 4 feet tall though. I have a pot started trying to sprout some miniature black walnuts that I found in Austin TX at a friends house.

I will be putting up a wire fence around the orchard in the next few weeks or so (if the rain stops here) and will put ducks and geese in there to graze and eventually eat any falls.

I will lock up the fowl at night in a smaller run and open the gate for the huge hound to patrol in there. Under each tree I will keep a large flat black tray of water for the ducks and geese to play in and will dump these onto each tree once a week or so to water them.

I will also plant 2 hardy kiwis...does anyone know if these are vines or trees?
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Whatatata on January 25, 2010, 08:45:24 AM
Yeah, so me and my brother (Ladieu) along with 2 friends had our work cut out for us this weekend!!!  Saturday, we came out to his house and he rented a smaller chipper. (I wish it was bigger, that thing was a PAIN!)  There was a giant burn pile situated well away from the orchard so we chipped almost the whole pile, then our friend Doug had a chainsaw and he did most all of the pruning. That is awesome, because he works for the city of Baltimore's parks dept. doing this type of stuff.  By the end of the day Saturday, somehow we managed to clear out almost the whole orchard!  Hopefully Nick will post some pictures of what we have done, it looks pretty good.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: sclindah on January 30, 2010, 10:45:24 AM
We have had some trees for the past three years and I'm still trying to learn how to take care of them. I found a really useful youtube channel on pruning fruit trees by Stephen Hayesuk from England. He has a lot of videos and even how to take care of older trees to get them back to use.
stephenhayesuk
Fruitwise guide to pruning apple trees-spur thinning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36N4dUaUWMA#normal) 

I had some sort of rot on our apple and peach trunks that I'm trying to figure out what to do for next year.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Stein on February 01, 2010, 11:57:18 AM
I just checked out a DVD from our library - Easy Steps to Fruit Tree Pruning with Gary Moulton of Cederdale Orchards.  It has a section on what to do with huge neglected trees.  Overall, the DVD has great information, but is early 80s and low budget.  You may want to see if you can get a copy from your library.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on February 01, 2010, 12:06:26 PM
Thanks everyone who has responded so far. As my brother said we did a fair amount of cutting a few weeks ago to at least get this thing to the point where I can walk through there.   So next step is to spread all the new mulch I just made on the floor of the orchard. I'm going to work on that this weekend.

I'm going to consult a local fruit tree guy and pay him to teach me to do the pruning. I have a few books on it, but I think once someone actually shows me the proper techniques just one time I should be set for life.

I have some pictures of the progress that I will be posting up soon.

-Nick
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on February 07, 2010, 04:04:23 PM
No progress on the orchard project this weekend. We got about 26 inches of snow on friday/saturday.  Figured this was a good time to post some update pictures.

I'm sort of treating this thread like a mini blog for this project. I was involved in another forum involving making homemade LCD projectors and these were called "PLOGS" project logs. So it helps me stay motivated and if people want to track the progress of this project and offer any suggestions please do so.
Here is that thread for the curious http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9546 (http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9546)


Yours truly getting gas for the shredder I rented. (Yes I know I should have stored gas at my house. It's on my list!)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_LCXRYkfBh8U/S29Dj7xIQ7I/AAAAAAAAH6w/6VnGLg3qd8Q/s400/IMGP1572.JPG)

Front of orchard... pile of stuff waiting to be chipped
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My good buddy came up from Baltimore to do the chainsaw work. I still plan to buy a good chainsaw, but this offset that cost for awhile... I'll get one this spring.
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_LCXRYkfBh8U/S29D0QLZbKI/AAAAAAAAH7Y/QgDv5S7lDRI/s400/IMGP1581.JPG)

The shredder I rented
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What your not seeing in this picture was a pile of brush about 20 feet high that we chipped. This was there before we even started on the orchard.  We started a burn pile that burnt all night. We sat around and had some laughs and many beers
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My buddy smoked some ribs and we I have a fresh pile of firewood to chop up.
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My brother came up from harrisburg to join the party. He is the one that woke me up with TSP
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Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Pathfinder on February 07, 2010, 05:06:29 PM
Very cool, a day outside working. Looked like fun.

BTW, blue cans like yours are for kerosene, not gasoline. Not that the plastic is any different, but it prevents the rest of us from thinking kerosene and getting gas. Just an FYI.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on February 07, 2010, 06:49:31 PM
Yeah I know, it even says kerosene on the side of it, I needed a gas can and that is what the wife brought home...

Anyway no big deal, when i get around to storing gas I'll get new containers...

-Nick
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: whitewaterhawk on February 07, 2010, 10:36:30 PM
Sounds like you have just about got this task licked.  My parents have some old apple trees that produce small fruit.  We found this website from Iowa State University Horticulture Dept. ( http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/hortnews/2001/2-9-2001/prunetree.html (http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/hortnews/2001/2-9-2001/prunetree.html) )for instructions on pruning neglected fruit trees.  Hoping to get out and trim them up in a couple weeks. 

There are other fruit tree pruning instructions links on that page.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Crispy Critter on February 08, 2010, 06:23:36 AM
Great progress, Ladieu. I'm glad to see you have some excellent moral support. Let me tell you, pruning neglected fruit trees alone can be very daunting. I look forward to seeing pics of Springtime blooms!
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ebonearth on February 09, 2010, 08:29:32 PM
That is so awesome! I just love permaculture. I spent part of the afternoon plotting out my future orchard and your plog is an inspiration!
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on February 09, 2010, 09:38:09 PM
Thanks so much for the encouragement. At the moment I am trying to figure out what to plant in the orchard. I'm thinking legumes, vines, bushes.. also I want to grow berries and grapes on the fenceline. My big problem at the moment is I don't understand really what Jack is talking about when he talks about noticing the flow of the land, etc.

At an overall concept level I understand permaculture, however I am getting lost in the details.

I mean I understand the words obviously, but I can't look at my yard and put those words into any sort of action. I realize I need vines and bushes... etc... add mulch.. "Chop and drop".. I understand these basics, but I have no experience growing edible plants. My entire garden experience is doing a bit of landscaping on my driveway. Just some flowers. They grew, they come back every year. I never watered them or did anything to them, just put them in the ground from the nursery and forgot about them. I weed it, that is it.

I'm hoping that between this forum and my local nursery's I can figure out how to make this orchard into a food forest.

Luckily I live in Pennsylvania and have great soil. Anything that you put down just grows even if you never water it.  I have more problems with overgrowth than I do with things not growing. I hope this gives me a beginner's edge.

Right now I am considering ordering the permaculture course from midwest permaculture and getting some books off amazon like Gaia's Garden (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1603580298?ie=UTF8&tag=freedebtelims-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1603580298)

I just got "backyard food production" in the mail a few days ago so hopefully this sheds some light on things. I haven't watched it yet.

Project Update:

Started getting some plans together for the homestead. Right now I am just window shopping online on sites like gurney's looking at bushes and vines to buy. I plan to go to the local nursery and talk to them and hopefully give them my business. Even with strawberries there are like 100 different kinds with all sorts of claims as to what they can do and how big and awesome they are. Too many choices!

(http://www.julietladieu.com/nick/plans.jpg)

a - planned location of annual vegetable garden. Plan to do square foot gardening with raised beds                   
b - secondary well. Plan is to install a hand pump and run soaker hose to raised beds. Possibly greywater from rain water catch system too
c - chestnut trees, pear trees, more apple trees
d- walnut trees, more apple trees
e - concrete planters from the previous owner. Currently empty. Plan to put salad garden and herbs here.
f  - property line
g - possible area for chicken coup. I figured chickens could do a lot of good inside the orchard with pests, etc... plus this is outside of my fenceline and thus they won't become husky food 

This first year I don't want to overwhelm myself so I will focus on the square foot garden, planting only a few bushes and vines and possibly some beans in the orchard. I realize this is more than a hobby, it is important, but I still have a life outside of food production.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on February 10, 2010, 08:42:57 AM
The best video i have found so far on pruning.
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-prune-apple-trees-between-autumn-and-spring (http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-prune-apple-trees-between-autumn-and-spring)
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: “Mark” on February 10, 2010, 03:12:19 PM
Thanks so much for the encouragement. At the moment I am trying to figure out what to plant in the orchard. I'm thinking legumes, vines, bushes.. also I want to grow berries and grapes on the fenceline. My big problem at the moment is I don't understand really what Jack is talking about when he talks about noticing the flow of the land, etc.

At an overall concept level I understand permaculture, however I am getting lost in the details.

There is bound to be a certified permaculturalist in your area.


You may also find this to be of interest: http://isohunt.com/release/127902/permaculture (http://isohunt.com/release/127902/permaculture)
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: cowdog on February 11, 2010, 10:29:03 AM
There is bound to be a certified permaculturalist in your area.


You may also find this to be of interest: http://isohunt.com/release/127902/permaculture (http://isohunt.com/release/127902/permaculture)

Actually, there is a permaculture program very near you Ladieu
http://www.sru.edu/pages/6735.asp (http://www.sru.edu/pages/6735.asp)

However, be careful..Their people may range from excellent to pachuli reeking idiots at various times.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Whatatata on February 11, 2010, 10:53:33 AM
I wonder what the chances are to get these "students" to come to your house and set up a permaculture landscape for you, for practice?  Sell it to them as a, "learning experience."
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on February 11, 2010, 12:01:44 PM
Your on to something Whatatata
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on February 11, 2010, 02:44:31 PM
However, be careful..Their people may range from excellent to pachuli reeking idiots at various times.
Ok i have learned a new derogatory term for hippies today :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=patchouli (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=patchouli)
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: mash on February 11, 2010, 09:42:11 PM
be careful..Their people may range from excellent to pachuli reeking idiots at various times.

I think it's supposed to cover up the scent of other "herbal" things.  ;)
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Jon M on February 12, 2010, 07:51:58 AM
It's great to see your orchard being revived.

So much great advice from everyone here on the TSP forum.

Crispy Critter mentioned walking around and tagging the branches that you want to prune using pieces of tape. That seems like it would make it easier when you have a bunch of people helping you make the actual cuts. Is that the strategy you used with Doug and Ben?

Call me up next time you do pruning and I'll bring my chainsaw!
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on February 12, 2010, 08:24:58 AM
Jon, that is the next step. This first phase was to clear it out enough where you could walk through without getting torn to bits by thorns and branches :D
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: zackandjen2004 on February 12, 2010, 03:01:11 PM
Have you ever considered getting a pig to fatten on all that fruit?  In The Self Sufficient Life and How to Live It, John Seymour mentions running pigs in the orchard.  The Gloucestershire Old Spot was managed this way (http://www.animalcorner.co.uk/farm/pigs/pig_breeds.html#gosp (http://www.animalcorner.co.uk/farm/pigs/pig_breeds.html#gosp))   BTW...Pigs LOVE chestnuts.  I had a couple of massive chestnut trees at my previous home.  A neighbor had some hogs.  I picked up all the chestnuts (without the spiny hulls) and hauled them over to the piggies. They loved them!  Chestnuts are high-starch, like acorns.  I tried to process them for food myself, but found that it wasn't worth it. 

By the way, stay on top of the chestnut hull pick up if you EVER want to walk around your yard in safety!  Those spines don't decompose easily.  They're very tough to burn, too...near impossible if they get wet.  Bees love chestnut blooms, and the pollen has a nice scent.  You'll enjoy these trees. 
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on February 12, 2010, 03:22:08 PM
@zackandjen2004

I was thinking a goat would also appreciate eating apples...  my problem right now is my husky will definitely kill a goat, he already took out a goat sized baby deer.  With the chickens I can keep them separate and it isn't a problem, but I think the goat will need to be fenced in.

-Nick
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ebonearth on February 13, 2010, 09:13:11 AM
Have you ever considered getting a pig to fatten on all that fruit?  In The Self Sufficient Life and How to Live It, John Seymour mentions running pigs in the orchard.  The Gloucestershire Old Spot was managed this way (http://www.animalcorner.co.uk/farm/pigs/pig_breeds.html#gosp (http://www.animalcorner.co.uk/farm/pigs/pig_breeds.html#gosp))
As a Gloucestershire Old Spot owner I approve of this message.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: texican on February 13, 2010, 11:39:06 AM
If you don't know what your doing, I'd not recommend pruning anything... wait until summertime and see if each tree gets plenty of sunshine.  The commercial orchards I've seen have a pretty good planting density.  The trees that appear small and spindly might just be replacement trees.  In my orchard I have big trees and tiny trees... some might think the small ones are sickly... No, they're just babies, one or two years old, compared to the 20 year old ones.

I wonder what the problem is, wondering what to do with all that fruit??? Isn't that what people move to the country for?  Very first thing I did when I got land was to put in an orchard... knowing it'd take several years to get any fruit production at all.

BTW, I've not pruned any of my trees, except for limbs that were ridden down to the ground by deer.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on February 13, 2010, 12:41:57 PM
Thanks for all the advice. I take all the advice I have gotten very seriously.  When I moved in my plan was to cut down all the trees and grind the stumps to the ground.  I had no notion of food production in my life.  Now that I am turning around to a new way of thinking having a semi-large orchard under my control is intimidating.  Especially since I am a city boy with no practical experience doing anything that would be considered useful post shtf.   So I didn't move to the country with any notion of homesteading. In fact I live 2 miles from major interstates and big box stores, developments, all of that crap.   

So it isn't a problem, but a challenge.  Also I would say all of the trees are a
minimum 15 years old based on when the former owner died and when I got the place.  Unless they are volunteers.  Realistically they are all 20+ but seem to still be good producers
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: cohutt on February 14, 2010, 04:16:14 AM
interesting project. 
keep the updates coming!
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: “Mark” on February 14, 2010, 08:46:45 PM
Thanks for all the advice. I take all the advice I have gotten very seriously.  When I moved in my plan was to cut down all the trees and grind the stumps to the ground.  I had no notion of food production in my life.  Now that I am turning around to a new way of thinking having a semi-large orchard under my control is intimidating.  Especially since I am a city boy with no practical experience doing anything that would be considered useful post shtf.   So I didn't move to the country with any notion of homesteading. In fact I live 2 miles from major interstates and big box stores, developments, all of that crap.   

So it isn't a problem, but a challenge.  Also I would say all of the trees are a
minimum 15 years old based on when the former owner died and when I got the place.  Unless they are volunteers.  Realistically they are all 20+ but seem to still be good producers

Maybe you can partner with someone for a year or two? In exchange for their guidance, give them half the crop or whatever you work out.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on April 06, 2010, 08:54:01 PM
Ok people, I've been absent on this thread for awhile. I'll probably start a new thread since the original intent of this thread was about asking a question.

So here is a basic question... book to follow (as I learned from Jack :D)

I had a 35+ year orchard veteran out to my house to impart some knowledge.  Now I suppose he is "old school" but he is telling me to use Calcium Nitrate on all of my trees.  He is coming back this summer to check up on me and I don't want to let him down!

What can I do organically with these trees? Is it just a matter of buying the organic fertilizer... or is there a more sustainable method for fertilizing these guys? Or should I just use the calcium nitrate as he suggests?

I need to take some more pictures but here is an update on how the project is going. I'll make a better and more detailed post with everything in it I have learned about rehabbing old fruit trees and post the link back to this thread. If I fail you guys will see me fail, If I succeed then hopefully something can be learned from this. It is so overwhelming!



Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Cool Blue on April 07, 2010, 04:43:47 AM
Interesting post, thanks for the info.

In mother earth news I read that putting paper bags over the apples as they grow will prevent bugs from getting at them.  I've also heard that nylon stockings will do the same.

I've also read that putting a thick coat of vaseline around the trunks will help prevent bugs but I bet that soap and water mix he recommends will help as well.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: zackandjen2004 on April 07, 2010, 05:59:11 AM
Ladieau, if you want to be "scientific" about record keeping, give all your trees a number.  Mark the trees with a tag with their ID and make a map.  Then, take a daily walk and make observations about bloom time, fruit set, etc.  Always bring your pruning shears on your walk so you can snip off water sprouts.  Anything growing straight up is a water sprout, and you don't have to wait until the tree is dormant.  When trees are pruned heavily, they will do a lot of water sprouts.

Keeping records will help you and your orchard guy figure out what cultivars these are.  Oh, and pictures are always good.  You don't have to do this, of course.  But the first rule of permaculture is observe and interact.  So just keep hanging out in there. 
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on May 20, 2010, 01:17:14 PM
Not much to report

(http://gallery.me.com/marilynladieu/100637/IMG_4497/web.jpg?ver=12743715440001)

Lots of buds. I have started the tedious process of hand thinning them. You can use a chemical thinner of course, but I am doing this organic.

Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Crispy Critter on May 20, 2010, 01:26:27 PM
 :o

Ab-so-lute-ly Amazing Transformation!

No wonder you (I assume that is you, ladieu, in the pic) are grinning from ear to ear!

+1 for your hard work and budding future (yes, the pun is intended  ::) , I'm bad like that).
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on May 21, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
Ok so I am new to TSP. I bought some land, 2 acres, a few years ago. On this land I have around 40 apple trees, 2 peach trees, 1 walnut tree, 1 HUGE chestnut tree, and 2 pear trees. 

YOU'VE COME A LONG WAY BABY!

Not much to report

(http://gallery.me.com/marilynladieu/100637/IMG_4497/web.jpg?ver=12743715440001)

Lots of buds. I have started the tedious process of hand thinning them. You can use a chemical thinner of course, but I am doing this organic.



I remember that first post and how overwhelmed you felt and how blessed I thought you were and look at you now.  Amazing!  +1 for a great transformation and awesome "ant" thinking.  Blessings TBM
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on June 15, 2010, 11:00:52 AM
I am doing further follow-ups to this thread in the "show us your garden" forum as it is a more appropriate location for showcasing personal projects

-> http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=18131.msg201393 (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=18131.msg201393)
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: MyBookie on August 12, 2010, 12:51:49 AM
You have done a great job.  This would have been a good place to point you if you hadn't already solved your problem:

http://www.fedcoseeds.com/trees/renovating.htm
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on August 12, 2010, 07:44:12 AM
Thanks man! I'm eating apple pies, making a cider press, thinking of making some butter... I'm swimming in apples!

The pears are getting really huge too, won't be too long now
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: MyBookie on August 12, 2010, 11:19:42 AM
I'm so glad you didn't solve this "problem" with a chain saw.  Here is a great PDF about fruit trees (mostly about new ones bought at the nursery)

http://www.fedcoseeds.com/forms/ft32guide.pdf
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: mangyhyena on August 30, 2010, 03:21:05 PM
You could use the fruit to make fuel alcohol.  Perhaps you could make those trees keep your vehicle running.  Maybe even fuel a generator for your home.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Oakie on August 31, 2010, 03:59:43 PM

Wow, thanks for sharing the info.  I will be planting a few apple trees soon I hope, among many other things.  I have some old pecan trees I'm working with and peach trees I hope will do better now that I've acquired geese to fertilize them.
Looking at a Walnut tree guild I see mulberry and elaeagnus can be used to protect neighboring plants from it's toxins.  You may have enough space for that to be no concern but did you mention food forests?

Thanks also to MyBookie for the links.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on August 31, 2010, 06:58:51 PM
Hey i have a few mulberry trees. I enjoyed some nice mulberry syrup on my pancakes this spring. Yummy!

I wan to do the food forest thing... however the south facing side of my main orchard is in the neighbors yard.

Really I don't understand practical application of Permaculture either so that is another issue.

-Nick
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Oakie on September 01, 2010, 09:38:07 AM
Nick, I don't think you need much room at all to guild an apple tree.
All the companion plants seem to be directly under the tree.  The example I'm looking at in Toby Hemenways "Gaia's Garden" shows a thickly planted ring of grass suppressing daffodils just under the drip line (outer leaves) circling the tree.  Within that circle are plants described as insectary plants (dill, fennel, bee balm) Nutrient accumulators (yarrow, chicory, plantian) mulch plants (comfrey, artichoke) and another inner circle of grass-suppressing bulbs (daffodils, camas, garlic chives).
They each perform a function.  Without the proper grouping you have to do all the work of spraying for disease, watering, fertilizing and perhaps even importing bee hives.
He lists the 3 main plants; walnuts, hackberries, and currants for a walnut guild.  Then building on that with chile peppers, wolfberry, mulberry, tomatos, possibly lagumes, russian olives.  I see that that grouping spreads well outside the dripline but could be cut close on the south side I'm sure.
Jack explained recently how to add .pdf to the end of a search to bring up files and I've found a wealth of info doing so.  One source I've found online is: http://www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org/PDC_ALL.pdf (http://www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org/PDC_ALL.pdf)
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on September 01, 2010, 10:43:20 AM
That gaia's garden seems to be a book worth investing in. Thanks for the thoughtful response.

I'll be looking to pick this book up.   Right now my sour varieties do well, and the pears do well, however the sweeter apples (red skinned) get destroyed by bugs. This is fine for cider, but they aren't very appetizing for fresh eating.

For bees I was planning to bring in mason bees. They can be purchased throughout the winter and the housing requirements are simply a thoughtfully placed untreated 4x4 with some holes in it

They are known as being super pollinators and one colony is said to be sufficient pollination for many acres.  However based on this years yields I wonder if I will even see a benefit... I can't imagine having any more apples!
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ladieu on September 29, 2010, 07:39:26 AM
Hey I finally figured out "what the heck I can do with these"

Make cider and hard cider :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM81m5PxdqM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM81m5PxdqM#ws)
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: Oakie on October 01, 2010, 03:41:06 PM
 :)   That is awesome!
Isn't it neat how one thing leads to another...
I have a memory or REAL apple cider my neighbor made when I was 7 or 8 yrs old.    ymmmm  can almost taste it
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: TxMom on December 02, 2010, 07:33:21 PM
Searching online for various tree guilds, ideas of what others are doing and ran into this site:

http://theorchardhousepcdesign.pbworks.com/w/page/22118219/Initial-PC-Design (http://theorchardhousepcdesign.pbworks.com/w/page/22118219/Initial-PC-Design)

A permaculture design project for an old apple orchard, reminded me of all of Nick's apple trees.  Includes links to their presentation to their client, lots of ideas, images, lists of plants for various purposes etc.   

They did sample guilds around a few trees at a time, added bees, greenhouse, etc. 
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: oktheniknow on August 19, 2013, 10:44:09 AM
Hi,
Read with interest your comments as I have an old pecan orchard in central Texas. Has lots of dead limbs from no one living here for several years. Still trying to figure out how to/if the old irrigation lines work. For the dead limbs, plan to add some to around the dripline of trees and to slow down the runoff of rain water.
Title: Re: 40+ apple and fruit trees. What the heck can I do with these?
Post by: ag2 on August 19, 2013, 03:51:45 PM
use the rotten apples to make alcohol fuel.