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Title: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on January 31, 2012, 10:54:56 AM
It bothers me a lot to have to post this.  But we occasionally have new members wandering in here, from Stormfront or wherever, who assume that since we are survivalists we must be white separatists.

If that describes you, you're seriously in the wrong place.  The members of The Survival Podcast Forum are of every race and mixture of races.  Prepping is for everybody.

I get a laugh out of white separatists who think of themselves as "leaders".  No, folks, you are followers.  You're following the oldest lie in human society: that we must fight people who are not our close relatives.  That's not a recipe for survival, it's the seed of eternal conflict, death and suffering.  Wake up!

Just in case it's not completely clear: racists of any race are unwelcome on TSP Forum.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Nicodemus on January 31, 2012, 12:32:21 PM
Hear hear and Woot, Sir!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: ttubravesrock on January 31, 2012, 01:35:05 PM
I suppose that there really are people like that... Was there a specific incident that triggered this post?
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: jhaggs35 on January 31, 2012, 01:44:58 PM
Well said Mr. Bill
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Thox Spuddy on January 31, 2012, 01:52:16 PM
AYE!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Greywolf27 on January 31, 2012, 01:56:50 PM
What they said :P

The hatred towards preppers is one of the 5 steps of denial... of course marketing is a great way to invalidate someone you disagree with.  The stereotype is just another way to try to "scare" people from opening their eyes.

Second time I've typed this today:
I love this crowd
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on January 31, 2012, 02:20:27 PM
I suppose that there really are people like that... Was there a specific incident that triggered this post?

Yes, but I'd rather not go into the details.  This is a pretty rare occurence here -- TSP tends to attract very good people almost all the time.  I just wanted to put up a clearly-visible notice, for those few people who think we are something that we are not.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Deeweext on January 31, 2012, 02:21:29 PM
When you post on an online forum, no matter the type of forum, you express an opinion and you're pressen tation is only in the form of words. If someone start assuming things about you, then they are trying to find a reason behind your opinion, trying to label you in a group. Basically you have no reason to ever start guessing who's writing what, what gender are they or what colour.

The meaning of forum [pl:fora] is "A meeting or opportunity for an exchange of views." - Not a place to presume things based on opinion.

Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: JerseyVince on January 31, 2012, 03:30:35 PM
I have to say, this is one of few forums that I belong that race rarely if ever comes up in any topic. Even general news about race, it just isn't a topic here. It's nice to see a group that even when they disagree strongly would rather work towards a goal than try to break it's members into splinter groups. Everyone here brings something to the table and appreciates what is received, it's hard to say that about people i know ,even some in my own family. i have the empty wallet and as much as i hate to admit it, grudge to prove it.

What would make any racists want to try to recruit here? You have to be a total bunch of morons to try to find racists in people you have never seen ::)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: daveinmichigan on January 31, 2012, 04:08:19 PM
The ONLY time we could possibly need a whites only board is if we are talking about cooking with eggs. Or perhaps I am just cracked and the yoke is on me...   ;D
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: ttubravesrock on January 31, 2012, 04:15:41 PM
The ONLY time we could possibly need a whites only board is if we are talking about cooking with eggs. Or perhaps I am just cracked and the yoke is on me...   ;D

You're on crack?!?!

That's no yoke, its searious
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: LJH on January 31, 2012, 09:22:15 PM
Hear, hear, Mr. Bill!  :clap:

Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Den Mother on February 01, 2012, 02:25:58 AM
WoW ... Good to know... People not Sheeple !
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: KellyAnn on February 01, 2012, 04:11:13 PM
I think there's a heck of a lot of us that wouldn't be on this board if it had a white supremacy feel to it, or for that matter an anti-women feel to it.
The more prepared we all are, the better we'll all be.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: monkeyboyf on February 01, 2012, 06:56:02 PM
Thank you, Mr. Bill.  I picked up on that post right away and was holding my breath for the mods to see it and chastise,lol. We really can feel out the vibes when you are old like me. ;D
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Sister Wolf on February 02, 2012, 10:19:54 PM
Thank you, Mr. Bill.  I picked up on that post right away and was holding my breath for the mods to see it and chastise,lol. We really can feel out the vibes when you are old like me. ;D

Report that sumbitch next time, grannie! <hugs> sorry it was left up for as long as it was. We saw it, and the boys were like "oooweee, we gots a troll!" and then there were all kinds of ban hammers slamming down and it got really loud and bloody for a second, and then it was like "what troll."
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Gas-Mask on February 03, 2012, 02:23:17 AM
Wait!  This is not an all "Hispanic" forum?  LOL
Too funny! 
I guess the ignorant sheeple and drones think im a white supremacist with a tan that eats beans and tortillas cuzz im a prepper?
I always thought being a prepper made me a prepared person, not an hispanic white supremacist.  Lol

Im sorry, but I feel more at home here at the forum then dealing with my reconquista side of the family.

All right, rant over.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Alan Georges on February 03, 2012, 06:04:12 AM
Wait!  This is not an all "Hispanic" forum?  LOL
Too funny! 
I guess the ignorant sheeple and drones think im a white supremacist with a tan that eats beans and tortillas cuzz im a prepper?
I always thought being a prepper made me a prepared person, not an hispanic white supremacist. 

 8) I just love seeing an ugly stereotype being broken and ridiculed first thing in the morning. Puts a smile on my face all day.  Thanks Gas-Mask!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Cedar on February 03, 2012, 10:29:29 AM
I am not 100% white and neither is my daughter, she even actually has Maori in her blood. I like how the net USUALLY tends to equalize people. I have talked to deaf people on the net for years without knowing for a long time they were deaf. I have literally 'talked' to blind people on their computer program called JAWS. Unless I see a photo of someone, I have no clue what race or culture they are.... I don't care if they are black, blue, green, white or pink. It is just what they have to say that is worthwhile is what the point is.

I am also not what I call a survivalist or a prepper.. I do however call myself a 'homesteader'. I just belong to a survival/prepper online community who puts up with me  :P

Cedar
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: LJH on February 03, 2012, 11:40:50 AM
Unless I see a photo of someone, I have no clue what race or culture they are....

THIS! I use and appreciate the internet for many, many things but IMO this is one of its most valuable aspects - you can get to know people and build friendships and relationships without ever knowing an individual's race, age, sex or anything else they choose not to disclose.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: EMichael on February 03, 2012, 11:54:30 AM
AFAIK, the Internet is color/religion/race/etc blind - unless someone chooses to disclose that information.

It bothers me that this post was even made, especially by an administrator.  If someone is sensitive for being of a specific demographic, then perhaps they should not disclose that information.  If they were attacked in a post because of that demographic, then the attacker should be dealt with in an individual off-line discussion. 

I just don't see this community as one which really gives a rat's tail about these issues.  To see this subject brought up is disheartening.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on February 03, 2012, 12:19:34 PM
...It bothers me that this post was even made, especially by an administrator. ...

Bothers me too.  But just to clarify: nobody attacked anybody here.  A new member gave us a not-too-subtle hint about his interests.  He's gone.  This post is here to inform any other potential new members, preferably before they register.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Thox Spuddy on February 03, 2012, 03:06:08 PM
Am I white? My skin color is closer to the color of the heartwood of pine, a sort of beige/pinky-tones and light coffee stained patchwork. And to complicate categorization, I turn different colors at different times of the year. None of my Norwegian, Swedish or German ancestors had truly white skin either. If I woke up one morning and looked in the mirror and saw me as white as Casper the ghost, I'd assume I was one.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: PistolWhipped on February 03, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
(http://nbcsportsmedia4.msnbc.com/j/ap/331eb423-a8e6-44dd-98a9-85142a807739.nbcsports-story-612.jpg)

PETA ain't welcome either. (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/29104505)  :'(

I've physically thrown two blood relatives out of my house for being obnoxious racists.  I'm not going to act like I'm "color-blind" and I've been known to crack a joke on occasion, but if someone is going to be a racial supremacist, and by that I mean of or for ANY race (Klan, Black Panthers, La Raza, loudmouthed jackasses, any of them), they won't be in my home.  Glad to see the forum is equally as level-headed.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: soupbone on February 03, 2012, 06:29:02 PM
Thank you, Mr. Bill, for making a tough decision on a tough topic. One thing that has kept my interest in this forum going - apart from the fine folks I've met here - is it's acceptance of all people and all viewpoints. You may not agree with everything said here, but you can learn from it - even if its to reinforce your own previous opinion.

Unfortunately, a forum such as this can attract people with peculiar or unacceptable beliefs. As a spot of mold can grow to rot the fruit basket, so too can a questionable individual or philosophy rot the beautiful on-line community that we have here.

Those of us who have been around for a while often forget that there are others out there who are not like us - this is a perfect example. It does us all good to be reminded, from time to time, of their existence.

Again, thank you for a tough job well done.

soupbone
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: 2fingers on February 21, 2012, 08:20:21 AM
Rule to live by. Strive to meet each individual with an open mind and allow them to prove their worth or lack of it. It has been my experience that color, nationality or gender has little to do with it.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: atherts on February 21, 2012, 09:13:57 AM
Hear Hear! The only race I have a problem with at times is the human race. They are so pig headed ignorant sometimes.  ;D
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: mikem on February 21, 2012, 09:17:21 AM
I judge people based on individual stupidity, not group preconceptions :) Living in Seattle, one of the most tolerant and accepting cities in the US, it always amazes me how much intolerance, ignorance and general hatefulness is out there. That's why I love TSP - it always seems like a much higher class of people that congregate around these parts.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Victory1 on March 19, 2012, 07:50:51 AM
  I so agree!! I have seen enough Divided States, we must work to be a United States or we will surely distroy our country.

  I am a Vietnam Vet. I know that everyone has the same color blood first hand. I also know there are very good and very bad people in ANY race. I have gone out of my way to respect people out of hand until I get to know them. After that my opinion of them is formed by my values and their character.

Victory1
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: socaldavel on March 19, 2012, 01:03:40 PM
I judge people based on individual stupidity, not group preconceptions

Amen.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Insidious on March 20, 2012, 07:50:54 PM
this is so NOT a racist/sexist/-ist forum that I was TOTALLY confused when I saw the topic. (thought I was missing some kind of joke)

=)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: maxrobes on April 03, 2012, 04:02:04 AM
Nations are never built on disagreements and differences but of commonality.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: jasperg357 on April 03, 2012, 06:10:00 AM
It has been my experience that there are two kinds of people in the world, people who are assholes and people who aren't, if you run across some one who's a asshole it really doesn't matter what color there skin is.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Outdoorfury on April 03, 2012, 09:33:34 AM
It has been my experience that there are two kinds of people in the world, people who are assholes and people who aren't, if you run across some one who's a asshole it really doesn't matter what color there skin is.
I concur. I hold the same viewpoint. Issue came up last night at dinner. "I said really? I think as a society we should be past this or we are never going to get anywhere"
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Jonathon January on April 03, 2012, 09:47:16 AM
I've been pretty much absent from the forums for the past month and a half. So i have no clue what post got this posted but this is the first one I saw when i logged on two minutes ago and this is one reason I love being apart of this community. 

If this place had even the slightest hate feel to it I would NOT be apart of it!!!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: TexDaddy on April 03, 2012, 09:52:19 AM
...i have no clue what post got this posted ...
Unfortunately, we had someone show up with a swastika tattooed on his forehead. He was gone in short order. He seemed to think people like us would be like him. He was shown the door and then kicked through it.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: hillclimber on April 03, 2012, 01:28:41 PM
Unfortunately, we had someone show up with a swastika tattooed on his forehead. He was gone in short order. He seemed to think people like us would be like him. He was shown the door and then kicked through it.
LOL! at least he hung his shingle out where everyone could see it!!

Seriously, until this thread, the race issue on this board never even occurred to me. I mean like totally a non issue. I never even thought about what color other folks here were.
I feel like a little kid who just noticed the circus clown has a U.S.N. tattoo on his hairy arm. ;D

Note to self, do not look behind the curtain.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Jonathon January on April 03, 2012, 02:08:40 PM
Unfortunately, we had someone show up with a swastika tattooed on his forehead. He was gone in short order. He seemed to think people like us would be like him. He was shown the door and then kicked through it.



Charles manson joined the forum????  I would have never thought him to be a prepper...
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mysphet on April 07, 2012, 09:50:33 PM
Thanks, Mr. Bill!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Thom on April 07, 2012, 09:54:15 PM


Charles manson joined the forum????  I would have never thought him to be a prepper...

Well, he IS up for parole next week.  Maybe he's just doing some catching up until the let him loose...like he's ever going anywhere without a body bag.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Jonathon January on April 08, 2012, 05:17:03 AM
I glad.someone picked up that joke and went with it...
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: CrunchDog on April 08, 2012, 11:58:33 AM
Wow, never got that vibe at all from here. As a Filipino member with a White wife, the only White Power I'm ok with is the White Power Ranger.

Bad joke? hahaha, I tried.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Jonathon January on April 10, 2012, 08:23:13 AM
Wow, never got that vibe at all from here. As a Filipino member with a White wife, the only White Power I'm ok with is the White Power Ranger.

Bad joke? hahaha, I tried.

I'm a fan of the pink one.... ;-)

Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Thox Spuddy on April 12, 2012, 07:47:30 PM
It bothers me a lot to have to post this.  But we occasionally have new members wandering in here, from Stormfront or wherever, who assume that since we are survivalists we must be white separatists.

If that describes you, you're seriously in the wrong place.  The members of The Survival Podcast Forum are of every race and mixture of races.  Prepping is for everybody.

I get a laugh out of white separatists who think of themselves as "leaders".  No, folks, you are followers.  You're following the oldest lie in human society: that we must fight people who are not our close relatives.  That's not a recipe for survival, it's the seed of eternal conflict, death and suffering.  Wake up!

Just in case it's not completely clear: racists of any race are unwelcome on TSP Forum.


There are reports from other forums that it is the NSA http://www.nsa.gov/ (http://www.nsa.gov/) that has been visiting websites such as this one and posting remarks that are intended to evoke a racist response as well as to cause division not only between forum members but between various forums. Research into the origin of the posts have determined that they have all come from one location operated by NSA. I am by myself unable to determine whether or not that is fact, and it is somewhat irrelevant as it does not really matter from where such attacks come from. They don't belong here. This place nor any other survival/preparedness orientated website, doesn't welcome or entertain the sentiment or nature of any divisive or bigoted appeals to any individual or groups with racist or divisive intent or agenda. Furthermore the survival/preparedness community is not one of contention, exploitation,  but of  cooperation and fellowship.   
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Truik on April 12, 2012, 07:57:05 PM


There are reports from other forums that it is the NSA http://www.nsa.gov/ (http://www.nsa.gov/) that has been visiting websites such as this one and posting remarks that are intended to evoke a racist response as well as to cause division not only between forum members but between various forums. Research into the origin of the posts have determined that they have all come from one location operated by NSA. I am by myself unable to determine whether or not that is fact, and it is somewhat irrelevant as it does not really matter from where such attacks come from. They don't belong here. This place nor any other survival/preparedness orientated website, doesn't welcome or entertain the sentiment or nature of any divisive or bigoted appeals to any individual or groups with racist or divisive intent or agenda. Furthermore the survival/preparedness community is not one of contention, exploitation,  but of  cooperation and fellowship.   


Yep. Doesn't matter where they are coming from. They will get deleted and banned ASAP.

TSP members are a pretty diverse group across all fronts and racist crap gets reported pretty quickly.

Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: reefmarker on April 12, 2012, 11:11:01 PM
I'm a fan of the pink one.... ;-)

Yep, Amy Jo Johnson is her real name.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Nicodemus on April 13, 2012, 06:26:38 AM
Yep. Doesn't matter where they are coming from. They will get deleted and banned ASAP.

TSP members are a pretty diverse group across all fronts and racist crap gets reported pretty quickly.

The fact that I don't think I've seen more than a handful of these is a testament to the Mods, Admins and TSP community. I know it makes my life less stressful when I don't have to get spun up by idiots.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Jonathon January on April 13, 2012, 10:03:13 AM
Yep, Amy Jo Johnson is her real name.


Oh I know... I know .... Hahahaha

She was really really ... . . . cute is the movie Suzie Q.



I'm so glad our group doesn't erupt into race b.s .... Instead we all gather up and take care of the douche bags....   Can i just say i love everyone here???? Can I say that?
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Shaunypoo on April 13, 2012, 10:24:53 AM
Race doesn't matter, especially when TSHF. 


I am proud to be a member of this community and the integrity that is displayed is an affirmation that what we are doing is right.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Gas-Mask on April 13, 2012, 11:46:15 AM
Thanks Gas-Mask!
For what?  For being the weird one of my family?   Im the only hill billy with a tan.  Everyone else just has a tan.  That and their "Rat Race jobs".

 Im the weird one....  And I have Mr. Spearko  to thank for that one and I love it! 8)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Jeff Brackett on April 16, 2012, 07:49:36 PM
Wow.  I'm new here and am just beginning to poke around.  Found this thread and was at first a little fearful that this was going to be a site wherein this (racism) is enough of an issue that something like this had to be posted.  Can't tell you how thankful I am after reading the entire thread that this appears to be the exception rather than the norm.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on April 16, 2012, 09:37:01 PM
...Can't tell you how thankful I am after reading the entire thread that this appears to be the exception rather than the norm.

Very much the exception.  I'm still having second thoughts about starting this thread at all, since it's not directed at any of our active members.

Just think of it as an information sign for potential members, to prevent mutual disappointment.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Nicodemus on April 17, 2012, 09:29:35 AM
Very much the exception.  I'm still having second thoughts about starting this thread at all, since it's not directed at any of our active members.

Just think of it as an information sign for potential members, to prevent mutual disappointment.

I'm glad you started it.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: bobandjess on April 23, 2012, 02:46:28 PM
Very much the exception.  I'm still having second thoughts about starting this thread at all, since it's not directed at any of our active members.

Just think of it as an information sign for potential members, to prevent mutual disappointment.

I think it's a good idea to have posted it. Surfing the web for prepper info I've come across more than one site where this was not the case. Needless to say, their sites were not revisited.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Red Foot on April 26, 2012, 07:22:51 PM
Glad to hear you all say this!!!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Shaunypoo on April 30, 2012, 10:48:53 AM
It has been my experience that there are two kinds of people in the world, people who are assholes and people who aren't, if you run across some one who's a asshole it really doesn't matter what color there skin is.

As an asshole, I take exception, sir.  I am most definitely not a racist and they are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Morning Sunshine on April 30, 2012, 10:52:34 AM
As an asshole, I take exception, sir.  I am most definitely not a racist and they are not mutually exclusive.

just goes to show, people will take any excuse to be offended.   ;)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Shaunypoo on April 30, 2012, 12:31:05 PM
just goes to show, people will take any excuse to be offended.   ;)

It helps if you read it with a Foghorn Leghorn accent.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on April 30, 2012, 12:39:01 PM
As an asshole, I take exception, sir.  I am most definitely not a racist and they are not mutually exclusive.

TSP Forum does not tolerate discrimination against assholes.

Oh, wait... yes we do.  8)

(You guys are just getting silly now...)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Saint on April 30, 2012, 12:55:09 PM
I just appreciate the blunt mission-focus ("git yer butts prepping! here's how...") of this team (forum) and total lack of pandering to any group ("Oh, we're all exactly perfectly equal, unicorn loving, rainbow beings with no differences or faults").

Keep it up.

Saint

(p.s. ok, I do like unicorns, but that's not the point)

(p.p.s. yes, dammit and rainbows, cut it out and get back to prepping)

Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Nicodemus on April 30, 2012, 01:09:30 PM
We shouldn't be discriminating against creatures in the D&D Monster Manual or anywhere else either.  ;D

I think the fact that we can be a little silly within the context of such a serious issue is a pretty good indication of how few problems we have here relating to one another.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: bluebeast on May 04, 2012, 09:54:20 PM
I thought we were all just ugly bags of water , just some not as ugly.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on May 05, 2012, 03:04:32 PM
I thought we were all just ugly bags of water , just some not as ugly.

The crystalline intelligent life of Velara III doesn't appreciate our inner beauty. ;D
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Rexhavoc on May 05, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
That's "Ugly bags of 'mostly' water." Seriously, my welcome  e-mail from the local Nine-twelve group came bearing the Stars and Bars confederate battle flag, I got the impression it would be a lily-white group because of that, so I declined to join.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: LJH on May 06, 2012, 02:55:27 PM
Hey, some of my best friends are assholes.  >:(
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: hedgewitch on August 14, 2012, 02:56:41 PM
i would say this forum is not only "not racist" it is also tolerent of "religious differences", and i find that refreshing
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: dk1138 on August 14, 2012, 03:17:20 PM
I have to say, this is one of few forums that I belong that race rarely if ever comes up in any topic. Even general news about race, it just isn't a topic here.

(Since this thread just popped up again....)

Agreed!  That (the above quote) speaks volumes.  There are so many firearms boards where people post stuff (usually anti-immigrant) that, even when not intended as such, brings up a whole lot of race-baiting and bigoted remarks.  It doesn't even really show up on the radar here. 

I truly find the dialogue here so much above the "internet norm" that it's not even funny. 

Cheers,
David
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: archer on August 14, 2012, 04:38:42 PM
We work hard to keep everything calm....
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: murf on August 29, 2012, 01:48:57 PM
Glad to see this.  :)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Jonathon January on September 01, 2012, 10:22:42 PM
Hey, some of my best friends are assholes.  >:(


Hi, my names Jonathon January and I am an asshole!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: fritz_monroe on September 02, 2012, 07:01:58 AM
It doesn't even really show up on the radar here. 
Actually, it shows up every so often.  But we have enough moderators and we take this stuff VERY seriously.  We get rid of the post and deal with the offender however seems fit.

But the biggest aspect of why this stuff doesn't pop up very often is you guys.  The members of TSP make this forum what it is.  If we had a bunch of people looking to cause trouble by posting racist crap, no amount of moderators would be able to keep up with it.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: soupbone on September 03, 2012, 08:29:55 AM
I am glad to see that this thread is remaining active. I would like to see it at the top of the threads list on the home page - that way anyone coming onto the site would have it in their face on their first visit- NO DOUBT AS TO WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE STAND FOR!!! There are too many REAL issues that need to be dealt with - the color of one's skin or his family's ancestry only play a part when we can tap into the wisdom  of those ancestors ("I remember growing up on a farm in ..... and we used to .....; here's how we did it...."). And that seems to be the way things go here.  And that's why I've been an active participant here for over two years.

soupbone
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Dawgus on September 03, 2012, 12:30:48 PM
 I'm happy to see this thread and also that it has gotten so many responses. Both of my parents are horrible racists. I was raised with it in the home as much as TV and apple pie. I was much the same as a kid and teen, but once I got out in the real world, I grew a brain and realized that people are people; no matter of race or origin. My sister won't even let dad have much interaction with his own granddaughter because of him throwing around the "N" word like candy. It just sickens me to deal with it in my own life, so I'm damn happy that it is not tolerated here at TSP. You folks are the best. Hands down.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: monicaB on September 07, 2012, 11:52:37 PM
I agree with you. this is for everybody. :)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Roamer on September 08, 2012, 05:54:55 AM
  One of my Facebook friends made a post last week about the Chief Diversity Officer at the State Dept sending out a memo
advising the employees to watch their tongue and refrain from racist and ethically sensitive comments like "hold down the fort" and "rule of thumb" What caught my attention  was a comment made to that post. It is true and I had never thought of this before.

  Here is that comment:
 Cracked me up and made my morning to read this. It's like an SNL script isn't it? The first thing that cracks me up is that we actually have a Chief Diversity Officer in the State Department....whose job it is - at t
ax payer expense - to systematically destroy the notion of America being the great "melting pot", becoming instead the great "patchwork quilt" where every national, religious and subversive culture is celebrated with fanfare, except our own. The irony is that race will always be a divisive issue, and will always be destructive to our national soul, as long as we celebrate diversity over unity. This stupidity keeps us lost in a cold race war. Why doesn't the State Department of the UNITED States of America have a Chief Unity Officer, instead? Until then, we'll just have to hold down the fort. (wait, I just cracked myself up.)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: jasperg357 on September 08, 2012, 11:21:58 AM
  One of my Facebook friends made a post last week about the Chief Diversity Officer at the State Dept sending out a memo
advising the employees to watch their tongue and refrain from racist and ethically sensitive comments like "hold down the fort" and "rule of thumb" What caught my attention  was a comment made to that post. It is true and I had never thought of this before.

  Here is that comment:
 Cracked me up and made my morning to read this. It's like an SNL script isn't it? The first thing that cracks me up is that we actually have a Chief Diversity Officer in the State Department....whose job it is - at t
ax payer expense - to systematically destroy the notion of America being the great "melting pot", becoming instead the great "patchwork quilt" where every national, religious and subversive culture is celebrated with fanfare, except our own. The irony is that race will always be a divisive issue, and will always be destructive to our national soul, as long as we celebrate diversity over unity. This stupidity keeps us lost in a cold race war. Why doesn't the State Department of the UNITED States of America have a Chief Unity Officer, instead? Until then, we'll just have to hold down the fort. (wait, I just cracked myself up.)

Maybe I am just slow but how is the phrase "Rule Of Thumb" racist??
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on September 08, 2012, 12:33:23 PM
Here's an article with some quotes from the aforemetioned Diversity Officer:

State Department: 'Hold down the fort,' other common phrases could be offensive (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/30/state-department-hold-down-fort-other-common-phrases-could-be-offensive/)

I can sorta see where the State Department has to be hyper-aware of things that might cause offense, since they're in the diplomacy business.  This does make them look a tad silly, though.

The comment about "melting pot" vs "patchwork quilt" -- I have mixed feelings about this.  The way the commenter has worded it, I think he's missed the point.

Quote
...the great "patchwork quilt" where every national, religious and subversive culture is celebrated with fanfare, except our own. ...

The point of the melting pot is that there's no such thing as "our own" culture; there's just a constantly-changing mix as new immigrants bring in new bits of their own culture.  Ideally, we are continually updating "our" culture with the best imported bits, and throwing out the worst bits (new or old).

Anyway, I don't want to drag this thread completely off-topic.  So getting back to how we moderate the forum...

Generally speaking, we ask two things of our members:

We aren't going to ban the word "handicapped" -- everyone on this forum has Internet access and is able to look up the real origin of the term (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=handicap&searchmode=term), which has nothing to do with "cap in hand".  But if someone uses "handicapped" in an obviously offensive manner, we'll certainly take action.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Morning Sunshine on September 08, 2012, 01:14:29 PM
Maybe I am just slow but how is the phrase "Rule Of Thumb" racist??

sexist.   ::)

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2550/does-rule-of-thumb-refer-to-an-old-law-permitting-wife-beating

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumb
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: morleron on September 24, 2012, 05:02:15 AM
I am so glad that this post is right up front for everyone to see.  Let's hope that they also understand that, if society does indeed collapse to the point that we get a chance to stuff the Federal government back into its Constitutional box and start the U.S. over again, we also have a once in a millennium opportunity to start a "raceless" nation.  Those who preach that we need to return to this nation's "founding principles" need to understand that when Jefferson wrote "all men are created equal" that's exactly what he meant - political equality and equality of opportunity are mankind's inherent rights.  Even though he was unable to put into practice what he preached it doesn't lessen the importance of the principle.  It also means that it is up to us to do our best to make dream of true equality come true.  As the OP said, prepping is for everyone.

Just my $.02 (in silver),
Ron
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: nursemommy on October 07, 2012, 09:38:22 AM
I am so thankful for this forum! I knew when I was listening to the Zello channel that this was the place for me. Survival is for everyone, not just a select few. We can learn so much from each other when we break down barriers. Again, thanks for the open minds.  8)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: wildfiddler on October 11, 2012, 09:19:52 PM
As an interesting side, geneticists have recently determined that most of the world's human population carry 1-4 percent Neanderthal genetic material; however, since Neaderthals didn't make it far into Africa, most Sub-Saharan African popualtions are "pure", with no Neaderthal "mixing". How the plot thickens...

And yes, it's high time to find commonalities rather than differences.

Wildfiddler

Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Twibble on October 12, 2012, 12:26:01 PM
I know that everyone has the same color blood first hand.

Taking this completely out of context.

People get mad at me if I try to check...guess I'll have to take your word for it.  ;)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: soupbone on October 12, 2012, 05:14:10 PM

And yes, it's high time to find commonalities rather than differences.

Wildfiddler

VIVE LE DIFFERENCE!!! The majority of us here revel in the differences between us. Different is not better or worse, it is merely, well, different. And from that difference in lives, experiences and heritages, we draw our strength as a community. A world-wide community, I might add, with members from Scandinavia to Australia and ALL points in between.

soupbone
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: scaatylobo on November 11, 2012, 08:37:47 AM
LOL.

Its not the color = its the mentality.

If you judge,prepare to be judged.

I hope to meet a RTK&BA Martian someday,dont care if he/she is green.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on November 21, 2012, 06:42:47 PM
As a newbie here, I have to say that I was really glad to see this thread.  I have blonde hair and blue eyes, and I can't tell you how many times people assume I'm racist and start spouting crap.  Glad to see it's not what this place is all about.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: mrfusion70 on December 10, 2012, 11:54:22 AM
agreed and well said!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: TorontoGrl on December 12, 2012, 09:16:08 AM
This forum is also nice to Russians (former enemies of the republic) haha
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: soupbone on December 13, 2012, 08:56:49 AM
This forum is also nice to Russians (former enemies of the republic) haha

Of course, TG. Russians gave us two of our most useful items - AK's and Vodka. Not to be used at the same time, of course. Unless you're using the Vodka as a bore cleaner. A waste, granted, but sometimes you do what ya gotta do........ ;)

soupbone

PS: Welcome to the forum.   s.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: TorontoGrl on December 13, 2012, 09:31:08 AM
Of course, TG. Russians gave us two of our most useful items - AK's and Vodka. Not to be used at the same time, of course. Unless you're using the Vodka as a bore cleaner. A waste, granted, but sometimes you do what ya gotta do........ ;)

soupbone

PS: Welcome to the forum.   s.

HILARIOUS!

Thanks  8)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Muddyboots on December 13, 2012, 02:06:18 PM
The Russians brought us more than that!

The writing alone! Then there is philosophy and dance and a lot more. It was never the people, just the State.

I want to point out that not only do the Mods and Admin break their backs keeping this place running and free from Trolls, they are also in contact with the teams from several other boards. We compare notes and give each other "heads up" on problems. Communication and research skills are powerful tools against hate mongers.

Muddyboots
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: kellgy on December 22, 2012, 01:29:37 AM
Funny how so many groups (including racists) believe the lies being told about people who choose to be prepared. Marginalized, labeled (preppers, survivalists, etc.), and thought to be made irrelevant . . . just another lie.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: hawkman008 on December 27, 2012, 06:17:40 PM
good to here
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: jim124816 on December 28, 2012, 12:52:24 PM
Does anybody besides me find it a bit funny that we have four pages on this thread confirming how many of us are intolerant of the intolerant?  Things that make you say "Hmmmm".  Not that we are wrong in this particular case...
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on December 28, 2012, 01:02:38 PM
Does anybody besides me find it a bit funny that we have four pages on this thread confirming how many of us are intolerant of the intolerant?  Things that make you say "Hmmmm".  Not that we are wrong in this particular case...

We should be intolerant of those who are intolerant of people who are intolerant of the intolerant.  I think.  Let me run that through a computer program to make sure. 8)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Nicodemus on December 28, 2012, 01:05:14 PM
Does anybody besides me find it a bit funny that we have four pages on this thread confirming how many of us are intolerant of the intolerant?  Things that make you say "Hmmmm".  Not that we are wrong in this particular case...

As far as I'm concerned, people can talk all the fudge they want IRL, but sometimes that comes with the responsibility of knowing what the outcome might be, especially when they're doing it in someone else's home and on someone else's property. That speech can mean the offending party is sent away from the home or property and barred from returning.

The TSP is such a home and the folks under its roof are only showing their support.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Gene.243 on January 05, 2013, 06:18:19 PM
Glad to be here.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: IPSC on January 11, 2013, 07:52:15 AM
It bothers me a lot to have to post this.  But we occasionally have new members wandering in here, from Stormfront or wherever, who assume that since we are survivalists we must be white separatists.

If that describes you, you're seriously in the wrong place.  The members of The Survival Podcast Forum are of every race and mixture of races.  Prepping is for everybody.

I get a laugh out of white separatists who think of themselves as "leaders".  No, folks, you are followers.  You're following the oldest lie in human society: that we must fight people who are not our close relatives.  That's not a recipe for survival, it's the seed of eternal conflict, death and suffering.  Wake up!

Just in case it's not completely clear: racists of any race are unwelcome on TSP Forum.

Mr Bill, Thanks for having the Balls to call out the white sheets!!  I guess you might say you put it in "Black & White" (and everything between)!   :popcorn:
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Duckman on January 14, 2013, 01:50:45 AM
I'll never understand people who are so mentally lacking and insecure that they have to resort to putting down other's race or appearance to make themselves feel adequate.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Halfbreed Mike on January 24, 2013, 12:38:37 AM
I'm glad this forum has a zero tolerance policy. I wear my heritage like a badge of honor. It is my strength. Born and raised in south central PA. My mothers parents were Appalachian people from West Virginia and my fathers parents were hard working black folks. My father was a member of the real Black Panther Party. I've gotten the taunts and stares from all sides. I wouldn't trade it for anything. The only difference between my grand parents was color and location. All of my grandparents were prep peers before it was a word. They all had gardens. My grandmothers canned. My grandfathers hunted. 2 black 2 white = 4 hard working Americans. This thread is why I finally decided to join the forum. As strong an mature as I am I'm not perfect and I didn't want any BS to make me SMA. So thank you sir.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: flippydidit on January 24, 2013, 12:49:27 AM
We have more in common than we have to divide us.  There are enough sources of divisive viewpoints to contend with daily.  That's why I really appreciate TSP.  The maturity and intelligence contained in this forum is awe inspiring.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: archer on January 24, 2013, 09:42:26 AM
There is a lot of work done behind the scenes to keep the riff-raff out. thanks to all the hardworking moderators and admns.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: liftsboxes on January 24, 2013, 02:01:26 PM
Personally, all the writing on this forum looks black to me.



 8)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: LJH on January 24, 2013, 02:43:19 PM
Personally, all the writing on this forum looks black to me.



 8)

 Racist!  >:(   :rofl:
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: American freak on January 24, 2013, 04:09:45 PM
This is one of the reasons I am so proud to be an American. Its not just about black or white either. Lady Liberty has always stood at the waters edge of our great Nation beckoning the unwanted from all corners of the world to join us here in prosperity. I now see the wisdom in religious and racial tolerance. If the Germans would have been tolerant than they would have ended up with Atomic fusion first. Here in America we all have the God given right to pursue happiness.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Altoidfishfins on February 19, 2013, 06:26:17 AM
Hard to believe it's even an issue. I guess some would like to make it an issue. It serves no useful purpose to do that.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Cylon on February 21, 2013, 09:21:36 AM
I'm a Paramedic and I can say from experience that you're all the same basic model under the skin... :o but its a really messy (and final way) to prove my point!

Seriously though, I joined this forum due to the lack of white power types and the overwhelming amount of good solid practical types. ;D
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: zanedclark@att.net on February 21, 2013, 10:09:51 AM
I agree.
z
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: MississippiJarhead on April 30, 2013, 02:14:34 AM
I always think it's funny in gun forums people assume everyone else is racist white guys, just because they are!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: newsur on May 11, 2013, 12:50:06 PM
  It's amazing how people are open about their beliefs under the veil of anonymity, but when confronted in person, they are unanimous with the group.  Yes, their are good and bad in all races, it's the hypocrites that scare me.  I stand for my beliefs in person and on the web consistently.  I am not racist, just because I'm white does not make me any better than the next race.  Every race has their own advantages and downfalls. BUT... Their is wisdom in prejudism.  A healthy balance is crucial to your personal safety.  If you see a gangster type, do you wan't them babysitting your child for instance.  Please don't take offense, I love all of you and am not hiding one single belief.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on May 11, 2013, 02:03:22 PM
If you see a gangster type, do you wan't them babysitting your child for instance.  Please don't take offense, I love all of you and am not hiding one single belief.

Yes, but would you have the same feelings regardless of the race of the "gangster type"?  That's the difference between being prejudiced and being aware of the clues people give out.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: newsur on May 11, 2013, 03:04:01 PM
Any race buddy, Italian, Mexican, Black or even White, the gangster type is not welcome in my life. A thug is a thug, no matter the race.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: newsur on May 11, 2013, 03:11:04 PM
 ???
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Ms. Albatross on May 11, 2013, 05:20:47 PM
Thanks Mr. Bill for this thread.

I pretty new to the forum.  But, so far, all I have seen on this forum are people who are here is "to live a better life if times get tough - or even if they don't."  I don't think race plays a factor in wanting to live a better life.....

BTW - in my immediate family of 5, we have the following: one white parent, one Asian (half-Japanese and half-Chinese) parent, one half-Asian/half-white child and two half-white/half-hispanic children (from a previous marriage). 

Probably the worst thing you could say about us is that we are still living in California :-\  (But that is going to change soon - walking to freedom is in our future) ;)



Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: theBINKYhunter on May 13, 2013, 04:55:07 PM
We should be intolerant of those who are intolerant of people who are intolerant of the intolerant.  I think.  Let me run that through a computer program to make sure. 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ882QYzr-M
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: deanabess on June 07, 2013, 09:58:46 AM
Well said!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: creedyrn on June 07, 2013, 11:42:41 PM
It bothers me a lot to have to post this.  But we occasionally have new members wandering in here, from Stormfront or wherever, who assume that since we are survivalists we must be white separatists.

If that describes you, you're seriously in the wrong place.  The members of The Survival Podcast Forum are of every race and mixture of races.  Prepping is for everybody.

I get a laugh out of white separatists who think of themselves as "leaders".  No, folks, you are followers.  You're following the oldest lie in human society: that we must fight people who are not our close relatives.  That's not a recipe for survival, it's the seed of eternal conflict, death and suffering.  Wake up!

Just in case it's not completely clear: racists of any race are unwelcome on TSP Forum.

seriously?  cmon ppl, this is a HUMAN issue, not a racial issue...IDK what color you are...if you can contribute a useful skill, you are in...
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Joliet_Johnny on June 21, 2013, 05:49:38 AM
I used to have the beliefs of those people. Heck I found the podcast because it was said "he is no friend of us F him!!!", but I gave it a chance cause I make up my own mind. Now one of my good friends is an ex gang-banger who went to prison for slinging rock. Im still proud of my heritage and in this modern day PC world that may be racist? Honestly I dont care. I treat everyone the same, with a little mistrust. I think the best way to talk to the WN or skinhead is to say "if the people you dont like were prepared and took responsibility for their lives would they be a treat?" they will most likely say no(unless their head is that far up) if they say no then maybe they can turn out like me, proud of where they come from but man enough to know they can help fix a problem. The most common thing that happens to me is the little black children know I have an air compressor built into my Jeep (to air up tires after letting air out to offroad) and when their bike tires go low I can either be a nonsensical racist Ahole or fill them up? I hate to go on but since Im new and I exposed myself as a former almost klansman or NS guy I hope all reading see the change I have had because of Jack's podcast. I have built a community in my apartment building where 10 years ago it may have happened but I surly wouldnt have been nice to the kids or even talked to the guy with the oversized novelty rims that needs Jeep air every other day.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: MississippiJarhead on June 21, 2013, 08:44:26 PM
I was raised passively racist. Nobody I knew was in the clan or would go out of their way to hurt anyone but "(disgusting word)" was a fairly common word among the men I was around. It wasn't always or even most of the time said in a hateful manner. I had a general disdain for blacks until I went into the Marine Corps where I actually really got to know some black guys really well and that has changed everything for me.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Cedar on June 21, 2013, 08:55:45 PM
I was not sure if I should post this or not and I have wavered since May to post it on this thread....

The day before Mother's Day this year, my daughter wanted me to see the 'white man' while we were in the truck parked in town waiting for Z.

"Look mamma at the white man!", she said. I am looking and all I can see for humans anywhere around is a tall black man with short hair and sunglasses mowing his lawn on a sunny day. I ask, "What white man honey?" She points. As we could only see one person, I asked again, "What man?" and she says somewhat frustrated at her apparently blind mother, "The man in the white shirt with the lawnmower." I don't usually note a persons skin color per se any more than noting their hair or if they wear glasses, but apparently my daughter really doesn't and just cued in on what a person wears. I liked that.

Cedar
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 21, 2013, 09:15:43 PM
That's pretty funny, Cedar! ;D

When I was little, one day my grandmother pointed out the window and said "There's a colored man walking down our street."  I ran to the window to see what colors he was.  There was a dark-brown man but he was just one color, so I was disappointed.

Yes, I had a somewhat sheltered childhood. ;D
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: MississippiJarhead on June 22, 2013, 06:52:57 AM
When I was little, one day my grandmother pointed out the window and said "There's a colored man walking down our street."  I ran to the window to see what colors he was.  There was a dark-brown man but he was just one color, so I was disappointed.

Yes, I had a somewhat sheltered childhood. ;D
People over use "LOL" but I literally cracked up at that one!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 22, 2013, 07:23:32 AM
When I was little, one day my grandmother pointed out the window and said "There's a colored man walking down our street."  I ran to the window to see what colors he was.  There was a dark-brown man but he was just one color, so I was disappointed.

Totally expecting this, right?

(http://termitis.pblogs.gr/files/f/426538-rainbow_man-d84.jpg)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Cedar on June 22, 2013, 09:51:33 AM
That would be cool.

Cedar
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 22, 2013, 01:05:20 PM
Totally expecting this, right?

(http://termitis.pblogs.gr/files/f/426538-rainbow_man-d84.jpg)

Seriously, I really was!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: LJH on June 22, 2013, 01:57:22 PM
"Colored man" :rofl: BTW, Rita - I'm totally stealing that picture.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: archer on June 24, 2013, 10:32:17 AM
Seriously, I really was!


is that a man or a woman or does it matter?
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on June 24, 2013, 11:49:22 AM
is that a man or a woman or does it matter?

I'm thinking "man", but I've been wrong before!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: coldwater on July 07, 2013, 07:45:18 AM
I was raised not to really give a crap one way or another. Act like you're someone and I'll treat you like you're someone. Act like a friend, and I'll treat you as a friend. Act like a fool and I'll treat you like a fool. Come at me with violent intent, and I'll drill a hole in you. I try to break life down to it's simplest functions. It's so much easier to enjoy when you just separate the chaff from the wheat.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 07, 2013, 01:54:42 PM
I was raised not to really give a crap one way or another. Act like you're someone and I'll treat you like you're someone. Act like a friend, and I'll treat you as a friend. Act like a fool and I'll treat you like a fool. Come at me with violent intent, and I'll drill a hole in you. I try to break life down to it's simplest functions. It's so much easier to enjoy when you just separate the chaff from the wheat.

unfortunately there is a LOT of chaff in today's society.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: joelevi on August 05, 2013, 03:32:43 PM
I'm 1/2 Native American (Paiute) and 1/2 white.

My kids have grown up knowing that skin color just determines how much sun screen a person needs to put on before going swimming.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: phil white on August 25, 2013, 01:45:47 PM
I post on Stormfront but I can play "politically correct" when I have too.  :-)

I heard prickly pears can be used to treat infections.
We used to apply that term to the whole cactus.  /
When it comes to using prickly pears to treat infected wounds do you use the cactus stem or do you use the actual pear fruit?

Secondly is there a good way to take the spins off without getting stuck?

Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Morning Sunshine on August 25, 2013, 02:06:22 PM
I post on Stormfront but I can play "politically correct" when I have too.  :-)

 :o
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Samuel Fairlane on August 25, 2013, 02:37:31 PM
I'm glad this forum has a zero tolerance policy. I wear my heritage like a badge of honor. It is my strength. Born and raised in south central PA. My mothers parents were Appalachian people from West Virginia and my fathers parents were hard working black folks. My father was a member of the real Black Panther Party. I've gotten the taunts and stares from all sides. I wouldn't trade it for anything. The only difference between my grand parents was color and location. All of my grandparents were prep peers before it was a word. They all had gardens. My grandmothers canned. My grandfathers hunted. 2 black 2 white = 4 hard working Americans. This thread is why I finally decided to join the forum. As strong an mature as I am I'm not perfect and I didn't want any BS to make me SMA. So thank you sir.
That is one cool tattoo. I think there's way more mixed people around than people realize.  From the old photos my grandmothers people (Black Crow) were way darker than most African-Americans.  You'd never know it by looking at me or my relatives. I think once people get to 80% of some ancestry,  that's pretty much what your going to look like.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: soupbone on August 25, 2013, 02:46:04 PM
I post on Stormfront but I can play "politically correct" when I have too.  :-)

We tend to be very polite on this forum, phil, but we are anything but politically correct. There is no hesitation in calling an ass-clown an ass-clown, for example. We do it politely, but do it nonetheless. Please do not confuse us with Stormfront, either philosophically or demographically.

soupbone
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on August 25, 2013, 03:47:13 PM
I post on Stormfront but I can play "politically correct" when I have too.  :-)

I don't think it's an issue of "playing politically correct" or even being politically correct.  I would say most of us are miles away from being able to pull off a PC act very effectively.

It's an issue of knowing that people are people, and that they're all equally worthy of respect until their own individual actions prove otherwise.

It's not an act we put on in case someone is watching.  It's what most people on this forum honestly believe.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: TexDaddy on August 25, 2013, 06:10:57 PM
I post on Stormfront...
The storm has passed.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: theBINKYhunter on August 25, 2013, 11:17:23 PM
The storm has passed.

good looking out. you had to know something was off when he said politically correct, never mind the other crap about SF.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on August 26, 2013, 05:10:24 AM
good looking out. you had to know something was off when he said politically correct, never mind the other crap about SF.

Yeah, but I feel like a moron for not catching the screen name.  Duh.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Docwatmo on August 26, 2013, 07:36:18 AM
The storm has passed.

Best comment EVER LOL   Good Job TD!!

Doc
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: ttubravesrock on August 26, 2013, 11:42:08 AM
I think it's a good thing that I had to look up what Stormfront was. However, I did it at work, so I hope that doesn't get me in trouble.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Theswerd on August 26, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
I think it's a good thing that I had to look up what Stormfront was. However, I did it at work, so I hope that doesn't get me in trouble.
Being both curious myself, and also at work... would you please enlighten me? I feel as though something important happened... and I have no idea what, or why...
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: ttubravesrock on August 26, 2013, 01:34:50 PM
Being both curious myself, and also at work... would you please enlighten me? I feel as though something important happened... and I have no idea what, or why...
Stormfront is a white nationalist and supremacist neo-Nazi Internet forum that was the Internet's first major hate site.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Theswerd on August 26, 2013, 02:00:58 PM
Stormfront is a white nationalist and supremacist neo-Nazi Internet forum that was the Internet's first major hate site.


Oh.
OK.
I guess I can file that away for use later. Somehow.  ??? 
It's times like this that I realize just how sheltered I am.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on August 26, 2013, 03:24:33 PM
Stormfront is a white nationalist and supremacist neo-Nazi Internet forum that was the Internet's first major hate site.

It's also heavily into survivalism, so we get the occasional visitor here from there.  In this case, "phil white" is a "Friend of Stormfront Sustaining Member" with nearly 2500 posts (not under that username, but it was trivial to identify him).

We got a bit more communication from him after he was banned.  If I understand correctly, he believes that the "politically correct" survivalist sites such as TSP are created and funded by the federal government using his taxpayer dollars.

Cool.  I'm looking forward to that big federal paycheck! ;D
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: theBINKYhunter on August 26, 2013, 03:42:50 PM
can i get a piece of it too?

i cruised around SF when i first heard about it (through here) and i was impressed/surprised with how intelligent the majority of the posts were. it's not a bunch of red neck KKK people looking for a tree. it's the guy in the cubicle next to you or the mom who is getting her kids ready for soccer practice while finishing dinner.

not at all what i was expecting, although i haven't been back there since. not my style to hate on people for something they had no choice in.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on August 26, 2013, 05:33:39 PM
If I understand correctly, he believes that the "politically correct" survivalist sites such as TSP are created and funded by the federal government using his taxpayer dollars.

Oh, honey... I got laid off from my job 2 months ago due to a $130 million inflow of stimulus money to the monopoly where I worked.  And I'm a Libertarian.

The government has absolutely NO love for me.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: FrugalFannie on August 26, 2013, 07:46:02 PM
I was raised not to really give a crap one way or another. Act like you're someone and I'll treat you like you're someone. Act like a friend, and I'll treat you as a friend. Act like a fool and I'll treat you like a fool. Come at me with violent intent, and I'll drill a hole in you. I try to break life down to it's simplest functions. It's so much easier to enjoy when you just separate the chaff from the wheat.

I was raised by a racist father. The things he said disgusted me. The strange thing is, where I grew up there were no people who weren't white. Okay, there was 1 half black kid and we had 1 exchange student. So When I "went out into the world" and encountered some people who looked different then me or talked different then me, etc I found thoughts popping into my head that I was, in some way, "better than them". I didn't even understand how I could have these thoughts. Thoughts that echoed things my father said for years just popped into my head. I didn't really think I was better but certain feelings/thoughts would just "happen." This could have been because they had no ambition, talked slower, and yes, because some had different skin tones. It wasn't always about color. The first time it happened it really shocked me. And disgusted me. I had to examine my thoughts and figure out why I was having them. It was how I was raised. But then I took responsibility and gave each person a chance and my thought patterns changed. I no longer have those thoughts when I meet people who are different than I am. I think we teach our children through what we do and say.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on August 30, 2013, 06:40:25 PM
Oh my.

I was Googling something for Jay and clicked on the first hit that seemed to have something other than ads.  Never do that without looking at the web address, which I usually do.

It was a Stormfront forum page.

I hadn't ever seen it before.  Why?  Because I hate crap like that.  But I did read the page, and it was pretty disgusting.  I'm not naive enough to think that there aren't people like that, but it was just SO not what I was expecting to see as the page loaded.  So much hate for people they've never even met.

Lesson learned, I guess.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Sardo on August 30, 2013, 09:26:17 PM
I had to work with a guy for ten years who was the biggest racist I have ever met. I work in construction which made it very interesting since a lot of trades have primarily Hispanic workers in our area. This guy just bristled when people who weren't the same color as him showed up on the job. The only thing that kept me from getting mad at his ignorance is that I was too busy laughing at him for being so uncomfortable. When any one of any background showed up on my job site they all got the same treatment, work hard and shoot straight or go home. Life has too many issues already to be concerned with how somebody looks. This was one of the first threads I read when I found the forum. If the word NOT had not been in the title I wouldn't have gave this site a second look and would have deleted it from my history.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: JustMeJennie on January 10, 2014, 07:11:48 PM
I guess the best thing that I can think of to say is that people of all cultures can be uncomfortable around other cultures that are foreign to them.
The great thing about prepping, is that this is ALL OF OUR culture. This is OUR common thread. This is how we relate to one another and feel familiarity with one another. So glad to be in a community of GOOD HARDWORKING PEOPLE That believe wholeheartedly in self reliance. That is our common bond that makes us all brothers and sisters. We're all in this together as preppers and self sufficient minds. What a beautiful thing :) I HOPE this forum is full of as many beautiful skin colors and religions and creeds! That's what makes this resource so valuable: Getting info and feedback from
so many perspectives!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Samuel Fairlane on January 17, 2014, 02:29:41 AM
I watched a interview with the Author of DNA USA. He found that 100% of white people in the south, who said they were 100% white were in fact 100% WRONG and had recent African DNA. 
I'm sure the racist of the world hate data like this.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Oakie on January 17, 2014, 10:47:54 AM
I had to work with a guy for ten years who was the biggest racist I have ever met. I work in construction which made it very interesting since a lot of trades have primarily Hispanic workers in our area. This guy just bristled when people who weren't the same color as him showed up on the job. The only thing that kept me from getting mad at his ignorance is that I was too busy laughing at him for being so uncomfortable.
Yeah, I think those responses are mostly fear based. At least we've progressed to a place they have to be quiet about their feelings. Perhaps they will change in time.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: David in MN on January 17, 2014, 11:44:18 AM
I've had race come up a few times in this forum: Thai food, Mexican food, Polish food, African food... Each time it's been delicious. With a forum full of gardeners and cooks exploring ethnicity is a wonderful gift.

Seriously, though... I have no idea what race most writers are and couldn't care less. Because of some great grandparents who refused to admit where they emigrated from, I'm not 100% sure what my ethnicity is.

Besides, we're all from North Africa. When we left that little hill in search of greener pastures, some went North, some South, some East, and some West. Racism is literally hating someone whose ancestors moved.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Cory (NewOldTech) on February 14, 2014, 08:28:43 PM
I must agree with the OP, that is how a lot of sheeple view the "survivalist crowd."  I am not racist and I believe most, if not nearly all, of the people here are not racist.  This has to be the best community of people I have ever stumbled across.  And I am so glad I have.

To those racists that do not belong here clogging up the forum, in the words of Jack Spirko, "GOOD BYE, GO OUT!"  And I'll add: Good riddance to ya!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: threebarracing on May 19, 2014, 11:41:51 PM
Weird notion.  It never would have occurred to me that someone would think this was a "whites only" forum.  If only "being white" gave me some kind of special "white power", LOL!  I will try shouting that at the raccoons that are raiding my birdfeeder and let you know if it helps.  Nope, just an average Joe that is more concerned with your thoughts than your race.  We are all colorless on the internet.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: soupbone on May 20, 2014, 06:07:02 PM
"We are all colorless on the internet."

Well, actually, we have quite a collection of colorful characters here......

soupbone

Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Betsy on May 25, 2014, 06:13:08 PM
Color doesn't determine CHARACTER......it sure doesn't if your core values are reasoned. 
:)
God bless U.S.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: frankd4 on July 31, 2014, 10:20:51 AM
One Nation, All People.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Rohloffc on August 22, 2014, 12:06:18 PM
I am actually quite surprised to even see this post!  I have never understood people who negatively view the differences between people.  Our differences in culture, creativity, and backgrounds make us so much stronger!  If there are anyone who want's a whites only forum, I would suggest a long walk off a short pier :)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: LonghornGardens on August 22, 2014, 08:58:48 PM
It's also heavily into survivalism, so we get the occasional visitor here from there.  In this case, "phil white" is a "Friend of Stormfront Sustaining Member" with nearly 2500 posts (not under that username, but it was trivial to identify him).

We got a bit more communication from him after he was banned.  If I understand correctly, he believes that the "politically correct" survivalist sites such as TSP are created and funded by the federal government using his taxpayer dollars.

Cool.  I'm looking forward to that big federal paycheck! ;D

Why did you ban him? 
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: TexDaddy on August 22, 2014, 09:00:06 PM
Why did you ban him?
"Friend of Stormfront Sustaining Member"
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on August 22, 2014, 09:16:49 PM
"Friend of Stormfront Sustaining Member"

Which I made the mistake of Googling a while back because of the drama here.

Not pretty.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Cedar on August 22, 2014, 09:36:20 PM
Do I dare look?

Cedar
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on August 22, 2014, 09:45:39 PM
Do I dare look?

Cedar

I can give you the Cliff's Notes version.

Post - Life sucks, and it's all because of people that look different than I do.

Reply #1 - That's too bad.  Here's a funny joke about those people, at about a 3rd grade reading level so no one gets confused.

Reply #2 - LOL.  That joke is very true because it subscribes to the stereotypes that I use to hide my own insecurities and failings.  Screw 'em all!

Reply #3 - Well you know they're just stupid anyway, unless they're using their intermittent intelligence to steal our jobs.

Reply #4 - True!  I'm so glad I'm not the only one smart enough to see how they've completely ruined our lives, including making our spouses leave and hide the children.  They also got me fired from my job after I used my freedom of speech to tell a customer she should go back to her country.

(In a snarky mood tonight)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: LonghornGardens on August 22, 2014, 09:47:03 PM
You banned him for saying he posted at stormfront?   Or that he was a sustaining member?  Either way it does not seem he broke any rules here....  if you banned him for either of these reasons and no other then I think you are way out of line and I hate racist pos as much as the next guy.

Please enlighten me because right now you are sounding a whole lot worse than this phil white pos and while I am new to this forum I will not stay with this heavy handed censorship. 
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: nelson96 on August 22, 2014, 10:19:36 PM
Please enlighten me because right now you are sounding a whole lot worse than this phil white pos and while I am new to this forum I will not stay with this heavy handed censorship.

Aren't you kinda giving the heavy hand here ^^^^^  Enlighten me or I quit? . . . .  I guess you did say please.  ;)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: LonghornGardens on August 22, 2014, 10:34:50 PM
Yeah I did say say please and I didn't ask you.  If phil akmed with isis had said he posted on one of those forums and then got banned I would raise some hell as well, even though they rub me the wrong way, if he had broke no rules.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Morning Sunshine on August 22, 2014, 10:49:03 PM
Longhorn, calm down.  Nelson, don't scare the new guy.
Look, Longhorn, I know you are not really asking me either since neither Nelson nor I are mods/admins, but I'll tell you anyway, the mods around here are pretty darn cool.  There has not been a banning of which I was aware that was not justified by some reason or another, often because multiple notifications from other members about not adhering to the terms of service.

I suggest you read this: http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=28698.0 (old but still relevant)
and maybe this: http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=625.0  I do not remember why exactly the fellow above was banned; I do know that he posted elsewhere in the forum things that violated #4 with specific racist comments, and was subsequently banned and those posts removed.

Stick around for a while, read the great homesteading and kitchen advice, if you are a gun guy, read what is posted over on the firearms threads; be humble and come to learn, and then teach us from your niche of expertise - Everyone here contributes something to make this a great place to be, but we do it respectfully, and disagree appropriately.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Cedar on August 22, 2014, 10:52:27 PM
...the mods around here are pretty darn cool.  There has not been a banning of which I was aware that was not justified by some reason or another, often because multiple notifications from other members about not adhering to the terms of service.

Yes they are.

Cedar
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: FarmerJim on August 22, 2014, 11:16:25 PM
And yes people that post on sites like Stormfront SHOULD be banned. This forum isn't public right or property, it is a privilege  and privately owned. Just like I wouldn't like Black Panthers or NAMBLA rubbing elbows with me!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: LonghornGardens on August 23, 2014, 12:28:43 AM
I have enjoyed hearing how not racist y'all are though.  That was great.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Cedar on August 23, 2014, 05:08:54 AM
Guys!!! Can all of you go in the corner and have a five minute time out?

Cedar

PS while you are in the five minute time out, read this thread from the start and post #15

Pps if you don't read back, it looks like the guy was banned for trying to recruit people from this forum to a white supremist site. Aka "cherry picking' from TSP
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Zeus on August 23, 2014, 07:53:32 AM
I'm a noob on this forum and don't know who "phil white" was but from what I gather he definately had his tinfoil hat too tight.  ;)
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on August 23, 2014, 11:11:45 AM
You banned him for saying he posted at stormfront?   Or that he was a sustaining member?  Either way it does not seem he broke any rules here....  if you banned him for either of these reasons and no other then I think you are way out of line and I hate racist pos as much as the next guy.

Please enlighten me because right now you are sounding a whole lot worse than this phil white pos and while I am new to this forum I will not stay with this heavy handed censorship.

Okay, I'll try to answer you.  But I want to make one thing clear: moderation decisions are made only by the moderator/administrator staff, which has access to information unavailable to the general members, and a lot of experience in keeping this place running smoothly.  We can't, and don't, try to plan in advance for every possible problem by spelling it out in the rules.

In the case of "phil white", his very first action on the forum, just half an hour after he registered, was to go straight to this Race issues thread and say:
I post on Stormfront but I can play "politically correct" when I have too.  :-)

Five moderators discussed this, and banned him.  Was that a bit pre-emptive?  Yup.  We feel he was sending a clear message about what was most important to him and how he intended to conduct himself on the forum.

Banning is reversible, and we do provide banned members with an e-mail address to contact us.  In this case, the e-mails we received (which I will not reproduce here) made us more certain we had made the correct decision.  He seemed to believe that we are a covert government-funded entity and that as a taxpayer he was paying our salary.  (We also determined that "I post on Stormfront" was an understatement: he had nearly 2500 posts there.)

We recognize that not everyone will agree with this style of moderating.  That's fine.  I've participated on other forums that use very different moderating styles; there's no one single way to moderate that is universally "right".  But our version works well for this forum.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Mr. Bill on August 23, 2014, 11:19:24 AM
I'd also like to add that we do have a very clear rule prohibiting personal attacks on other forum members.  A moderator has removed several posts in this thread that contained personal insults.  Please take this as a warning.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Blue Sky on August 23, 2014, 02:27:13 PM
Thank you, Mr Bill.  Now I know of one forum NOT to bother with :)

On the issue of race - racism isn't only whites against...... It goes both ways.  However, I've found that if a person is a PERSON first, not their race first or their culture, it usually puts the issue on the back burner at the very least.  If people are just people no matter what their skin color there is always common ground.  Martin Luther King Jr. was talking to everyone and about everyone regardless of race/culture.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Cryptozoic on January 03, 2015, 11:20:06 AM
President Kennedy on race, his finest hour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GmZ1a5hnxo
Very inspiring, it's a great speech.

I don't understand why anyone cares about race. 
We are humans and there are only 2 tribes, the decent and the indecent.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: nelson96 on January 03, 2015, 11:43:25 AM
We are humans and there are only 2 tribes, the decent and the indecent.

Identifying differences, good or bad, is what seperates us and thus create race issues.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Michael8593 on June 14, 2015, 05:38:49 AM
Thanks for the clarification! I am glad to hear that racism is not tolerated here.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Carl on June 14, 2015, 01:07:45 PM
More aptly ,I think hatred is not welcome.

I came here to get some of the fresh popcorn .  :popcorn:


This forum is a living thing and only through the watchful eye of the admins and mods does it remain a comfortable place .
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: whatsda511 on December 07, 2015, 06:05:45 PM
For what it's worth....

I am a young African American male who stumbled across the Survival Podcast a few months ago.  I would NEVER have learned a lot of the history, knowledge, perspectives, and values Jack talks about without it. My life might change forever because of it. I've already started with basic food storage and want to learn more about permaculture.  I think the world can be a much, much better place because everyone who will listen, can learn.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on December 07, 2015, 07:20:25 PM
For what it's worth....

I am a young African American male who stumbled across the Survival Podcast a few months ago.  I would NEVER have learned a lot of the history, knowledge, perspectives, and values Jack talks about without it. My life might change forever because of it. I've already started with basic food storage and want to learn more about permaculture.  I think the world can be a much, much better place because everyone who will listen, can learn.


Nice first post - welcome!

Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Chemsoldier on December 07, 2015, 08:08:19 PM
For what it's worth....

I am a young African American male who stumbled across the Survival Podcast a few months ago.  I would NEVER have learned a lot of the history, knowledge, perspectives, and values Jack talks about without it. My life might change forever because of it. I've already started with basic food storage and want to learn more about permaculture.  I think the world can be a much, much better place because everyone who will listen, can learn.
Welcome and well said. A world where we find togetherness in getting our own houses in order rather than worrying about the affairs of others could be amazing.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Montag 451 on December 08, 2015, 06:38:51 PM
Welcome whatsda511
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: SittingElf on February 20, 2016, 05:05:00 AM
It is indeed unfortunate that these idiots automatically assume that the words "Patriot", "Survivalist", "Prepper", "Conservative", and others are all in lock-step agreement with their hate-filled beliefs.

I see them show up on many forums, and in comment sections of big sites like Breitbart. 

Free Speech is one thing, but hate speech is another.  Damn glad to see this forum does not tolerate the latter!

Cheers
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Sonofcepha on February 22, 2016, 06:57:07 PM
Can't stand all the racial uproar now. We all bleed red in the end. I don't care what color you are, if you've got my back... I've got yours!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on February 22, 2016, 07:10:26 PM
I'm fortunate that I work for one of the most diverse employers in a very diverse area.


It's actually good for problem solving because everyone is coming from different backgrounds and can see things from different angles.

Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Montag 451 on February 26, 2016, 09:42:52 PM
Welcome whatsda511
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: will slacker on October 07, 2016, 05:07:07 AM
It still boggles my mind that in 2016 racism is still around. Everything we have been through and that's still part of everyday life for a lot of people.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on October 07, 2016, 08:22:51 AM
It still boggles my mind that in 2016 racism is still around. Everything we have been through and that's still part of everyday life for a lot of people.


Agree.


I know most of Jay's family still uses the N word (Jay doesn't), and when you call them on it, they say "I'm not racist.  I have black friends."


Where I work, it's very diverse, and it's not really even an issue most of the time.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Carl on October 07, 2016, 08:40:30 AM
It still boggles my mind that in 2016 racism is still around. Everything we have been through and that's still part of everyday life for a lot of people.

If racism was really as common as the media makes it out to be,they would call it 'NORMAL'
I do not think it is as common as that though have encountered it quite often from the local black community as they are often the first to bring up color in conversation.
I grew older while an air force brat and so often relocated and found few problems as a child,so I can only surmise that RACISM is TAUGHT by parents and elders as so
it will be up to the elders to set the example to effect a cure.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: notmyrealname on October 11, 2016, 05:52:48 AM
When I was growing up, I thought racism was over but that was until I met some very open racists.  It's really gross when you hear someone spouting off the N word or ranting about interracial relationships.  I've only experienced this twice.   It's out there, and very few people talk about it in public.  There is also racism in all directions. 

Unfortunately I don't think racism will die out like I used to think it would.  It's an easy tactic for people to use to blame problems on "the others". 
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: fritz_monroe on October 11, 2016, 07:52:27 AM
There is also racism in all directions. 
I've been told multiple times by coworkers that this does not exist.

As far as I'm concerned, we are all members of the human race.  It's not the color of your skin that I care about, it's your character and actions.  The type of person that you are. 

A scumbag is a scumbag no matter what color they are.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Chemsoldier on October 11, 2016, 08:12:41 AM
If racism was really as common as the media makes it out to be,they would call it 'NORMAL'
I do not think it is as common as that though have encountered it quite often from the local black community as they are often the first to bring up color in conversation.
I grew older while an air force brat and so often relocated and found few problems as a child,so I can only surmise that RACISM is TAUGHT by parents and elders as so
it will be up to the elders to set the example to effect a cure.
The media does call it a normal occurrence at times.

Its worth noting it does not need to be common to be a problem (for example, mass shootings are exceedingly uncommon, however many we agree with advocate people being armed or getting medical training with this amongst the reasons).

It is absolutely up to elders.  We have to be sure to model proper behavior.  Politeness does not eliminate racism, it simply hides it.  Those who are prejudiced yet polite, their kids see them when their guard is down.  Even a kid who knows and thinks it wrong likely stands a chance of adopting the behavior or a variant of it later in life.  Sort of like abusive behavior. 

This does not mean you cannot have opinions on social issues, but one must be very precise.  To give an example with sexism, have you ever seen someone who disagrees with the actions of an individual but cannot avoid couching their displeasure in a way invoking their gender?  This piece of paper didnt get processed so they call the individual a "b*tch" or the like.  It mentally associates the individual's gender with their performance.  It is intellectual laziness.

Of course, there needs to be maturity on all sides.  A person has to be able to express legitimate concerns in a constructive way wtihout being accused of crypto-prejudice.  "You say the problem is a neighborhood culture of no snitching, that is just a veiled way of blaming black people."  That is not helpful, because then issues cannot be discussed.  This inevitably though, leads us to the problem that some people DO use factually correct and more precise terminology as substitutes when they really do want to ascribe issues as inherent traits of ethnic groups.

Ultimately, racism is a heuristic technique that allows people to place a simplified model of understanding on the world. They do it for all sorts of reasons.  Common ones include they were taught to, they dont want to take the time and effort to do otherwise, they dont have time to do otherwise, they are lazy, it is in their own self-interest (such as making them feel better about themselves without any effort), maybe just because they are *ssh*l*s.

I personally believe racism has declined because as the general quality of life of the world has allowed it.  Most do not work 18 hour days in the field on the slimmest margin between life and death, they have relatively more education and have been afforded more time to observe the world and finally media, travel and leisure time has given them more time to observe the world and realize it is more complex than some oversimplified models of humanity. They do not have to make a split second choice on the matter.

Unfortunately, this means that if forces, re-regionalize and localize the world, as people live closer to the edge (spending more time staying not dead and have less time to understand the world) and basically as people get into their own bubble (because of self-selecting media, not having media or simply not giving a damn about external information) racism and prejudice in general will grow again.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on October 11, 2016, 10:19:49 AM
The media does call it a normal occurrence at times.

Its worth noting it does not need to be common to be a problem (for example, mass shootings are exceedingly uncommon, however many we agree with advocate people being armed or getting medical training with this amongst the reasons).

It is absolutely up to elders.  We have to be sure to model proper behavior.  Politeness does not eliminate racism, it simply hides it.  Those who are prejudiced yet polite, their kids see them when their guard is down.  Even a kid who knows and thinks it wrong likely stands a chance of adopting the behavior or a variant of it later in life.  Sort of like abusive behavior. 

This does not mean you cannot have opinions on social issues, but one must be very precise.  To give an example with sexism, have you ever seen someone who disagrees with the actions of an individual but cannot avoid couching their displeasure in a way invoking their gender?  This piece of paper didnt get processed so they call the individual a "b*tch" or the like.  It mentally associates the individual's gender with their performance.  It is intellectual laziness.

Of course, there needs to be maturity on all sides.  A person has to be able to express legitimate concerns in a constructive way wtihout being accused of crypto-prejudice.  "You say the problem is a neighborhood culture of no snitching, that is just a veiled way of blaming black people."  That is not helpful, because then issues cannot be discussed.  This inevitably though, leads us to the problem that some people DO use factually correct and more precise terminology as substitutes when they really do want to ascribe issues as inherent traits of ethnic groups.

Ultimately, racism is a heuristic technique that allows people to place a simplified model of understanding on the world. They do it for all sorts of reasons.  Common ones include they were taught to, they dont want to take the time and effort to do otherwise, they dont have time to do otherwise, they are lazy, it is in their own self-interest (such as making them feel better about themselves without any effort), maybe just because they are *ssh*l*s.

I personally believe racism has declined because as the general quality of life of the world has allowed it.  Most do not work 18 hour days in the field on the slimmest margin between life and death, they have relatively more education and have been afforded more time to observe the world and finally media, travel and leisure time has given them more time to observe the world and realize it is more complex than some oversimplified models of humanity. They do not have to make a split second choice on the matter.

Unfortunately, this means that if forces, re-regionalize and localize the world, as people live closer to the edge (spending more time staying not dead and have less time to understand the world) and basically as people get into their own bubble (because of self-selecting media, not having media or simply not giving a damn about external information) racism and prejudice in general will grow again.


Yep.  All of this.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: shadowalker_returns on November 15, 2016, 09:54:09 AM
This is exactly why I'm returning to this Forum. It seems that 80 percent of the world thinks Survival is a synonym for Bigotry and Racism. On the other hand 80% of the world is Stupid.. Or they would all be Us  :D
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Carl on November 15, 2016, 11:22:31 AM
This is exactly why I'm returning to this Forum. It seems that 80 percent of the world thinks Survival is a synonym for Bigotry and Racism. On the other hand 80% of the world is Stupid.. Or they would all be Us  :D

I wonder sometimes as I know so many people who would have 'nothing ' to eat if they didn't pick it up on the way home.
I was never raised that way and keep enough stuff to care for my needs for a month and for many years in my BOL/Pantry.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: yellowjkjeep on January 13, 2017, 01:25:12 PM
HUA
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Cylon on January 13, 2017, 06:12:06 PM
If this was a whites only forum i wouldn't be here, i have zero fucks to waste on that level of stupid.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: RitaRose1945 on January 13, 2017, 07:25:19 PM
If this was a whites only forum i wouldn't be here, i have zero fucks to waste on that level of stupid.


Amen.

Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Meadowlily on January 23, 2017, 02:49:08 PM
There is only one race: Human - We all bleed red!
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: JimNKC on April 10, 2017, 11:14:36 PM
As a newbie here, I'm glad it's not whites only... while my birth parents were both of mainly Swedish extraction, my wife is Bolivian and we mainly speak Spanish at home and with our kids. Their English has grown in leaps and bounds this year in Pre-K, but I insisted on them first learning and speaking Spanish. Speaking two languages, even imperfectly, allows us to communicate with more people... it helps a ton in my job, and also to share the Gospel. :)

I don't usually think anything of it, but most of my friends are Hispanic, mainly from Central America and I am usually the lone guerro (white boy) at many of our fiestas/get togethers. With other good friends from Germany, India and Rwanda... skin color means very little. God made us in all sorts of colors.
Title: Re: Race issues: This is NOT a "whites only" forum!
Post by: Redman on August 13, 2017, 05:03:25 PM
Well said Jim.  :clap:

This place need a thumbs up thingy.