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Title: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 03, 2012, 09:34:51 AM
A bit of humor before the "real" thread starts...

In the scene where Mrs. Ngyuen asks Pow and his friends for help, he's referred to as his full name "William Kung".  For whatever ridiculous reason I remembered this dude: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_hung 

Hopefully this struck someone else as amusing and I haven't lost all credibility by sharing how my twisted mind can work.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: hedgewitch on September 03, 2012, 11:48:02 AM
Loved the second book as much as the first it was just to short i ran out of book, can't wait till the others come out
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Post by: EOTS on September 03, 2012, 03:18:05 PM
Loved the second book as much as the first it was just to short i ran out of book, can't wait till the others come out

I kind of felt the same -- the book flew by. But my reflection is that of course it would feel that way -- The Preparation covered, what, 45 years, and the Collapse covers about two weeks.

That said...how fast a read The Collapse is just made it all the more disappointing that Book 3 won't be around for another couple months. Ah, well.
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Post by: Grannywhiskers on September 03, 2012, 03:23:08 PM
Enjoyed both books!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Jeff NH on September 03, 2012, 05:24:51 PM
Both were fun reads. Makes me really want a cabin :)
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 03, 2012, 06:29:14 PM
The only weird part of this book I couldn't reconcile was Lisa.  I understand the normalcy bias and the mechanics of all that, but the introspection of her internal thoughts a little awkward.

This is difficult to articulate, but wondering if anyone else had similar thoughts about Lisa's character?
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Jeff NH on September 03, 2012, 07:45:56 PM
The only weird part of this book I couldn't reconcile was Lisa.  I understand the normalcy bias and the mechanics of all that, but the introspection of her internal thoughts a little awkward.

This is difficult to articulate, but wondering if anyone else had similar thoughts about Lisa's character?

Yes. It sure seemed to me that it was taken too far and, leaving the kids because the wife would not leave was also hard to take/believe.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on September 04, 2012, 07:43:04 AM

Yes. It sure seemed to me that it was taken too far and, leaving the kids because the wife would not leave was also hard to take/believe.


The outside thought tells him to go and that everything will be OK.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: idelphic on September 04, 2012, 08:11:22 AM
Man am I behind... I haven't gotten book one yet....soon..very soon...
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 04, 2012, 01:26:27 PM
Here are my predictions for the next several chapters (starting with book 3)...

1) Too many people show up at the cabin.
a) Matsons (4) + Lisa's parents (2) + chip (1) + team (4) + extras (WAB peeps/Jeanie?).  How many of us have primary houses big enough, let alone a "cabin" ?
b) this throws off Grant's planning

2) Nancy Ringman continues stirring up trouble
a) some aspect of OPSEC was compromised/overlooked
b) the breadth of the POI alert on Grant increases

3) Someone that Grant trusted turns on him
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Griz on September 04, 2012, 01:52:16 PM
Just finished book 2, don't want to wait a couple months to read book 3..... :(  Anyway, each book took me a day each to read, could not put down once started.  Also, has made me kick myself in the arse to get back into prepping more.  Thanks for the push "Glen Tate"!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Jeff NH on September 04, 2012, 07:38:49 PM
The outside thought tells him to go and that everything will be OK.

Yes, that is true but Jack is not Yoda and neither is our outside voice. There are some things you don't leave to the hunch. The outside voice can help one decide between purchasing two seemingly equal pieces of property but leaving your kids without (real) protection with a mother who is as out of touch as the author makes her is NOT something to leave up to a Ouija board.

Of course it is just a book and I don't want to over state the impact of this sequence but I can say it was one of the areas that I did not enjoy.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on September 04, 2012, 09:29:00 PM

Here are my predictions for the next several chapters (starting with book 3)...

1) Too many people show up at the cabin.
a) Matsons (4) + Lisa's parents (2) + chip (1) + team (4) + extras (WAB peeps/Jeanie?).  How many of us have primary houses big enough, let alone a "cabin" ?
b) this throws off Grant's planning

2) Nancy Ringman continues stirring up trouble
a) some aspect of OPSEC was compromised/overlooked
b) the breadth of the POI alert on Grant increases

3) Someone that Grant trusted turns on him


Some of your predictions are right and others... well, you'll really love Book Three.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on September 04, 2012, 09:31:07 PM

Yes, that is true but Jack is not Yoda and neither is our outside voice. There are some things you don't leave to the hunch. The outside voice can help one decide between purchasing two seemingly equal pieces of property but leaving your kids without (real) protection with a mother who is as out of touch as the author makes her is NOT something to leave up to a Ouija board.

Of course it is just a book and I don't want to over state the impact of this sequence but I can say it was one of the areas that I did not enjoy.


You've only seen 2/10ths (two out of ten books) of the outside thought.  You will see in later books why Grant left his family after the outside thought told him to.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Jeff NH on September 05, 2012, 05:10:17 AM
You've only seen 2/10ths (two out of ten books) of the outside thought.  You will see in later books why Grant left his family after the outside thought told him to.


I'll make you a deal, release all the books this weekend so I can buy them and get back to reading and I'll let you off the hook  ;)
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Post by: DrJohn on September 05, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Just for the record: I feel like knocking Lisa over the head and dragging her to the cabin, screaming if necessary. 

Thanks G for manipulating me this way!  :P
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: PrepperJim on September 07, 2012, 09:29:20 PM
I finished book two last night.

I liked this book more than book one. Of course, I must preface the evaluation with the realization that I am an action junky so book one was a little slow. I understand why book one had to be slow and still liked it. But, the collapse part of book two was far more entertaining.

I too, was bothered by Lisa's attitude that it was time to get the hell out. I really think that people would wake up faster than that. If my wife just killed three people protecting the neighborhood, I would know that it was time to go. That it took a crazy woman's attack on the children to convince Lisa was a stretch. But, OK...she finally was convinced.

I was expecting far more trouble heading to the cabin beyond $10 / gallon gas and a stalled car blocking the road. Pow and the Team had it too easy! ;-)


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Post by: FrugalFannie on September 07, 2012, 09:43:58 PM
Unfortunately I know too many real life 'Lisa's'. I do think that a direct attack on her or her children, especially at her own home where she always felt safe regardless of what was going on 'out there' would do the trick for most of the 'Lisa's' I know.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on September 08, 2012, 12:07:15 AM
I got home from work and found the books on my porch. I had also DL'd the kindle version of book 1 and finished it a few days ago, so I figured I would read a couple chapters of book 2, then get some stuff done around the house while my wife is out of town. Well, at about halfway through, I gave up on putting it down, and just finished it. This one felt pretty different to me. The first one seemed very analytical and, umm....biographical?  This one was much more like telling a story, and as was mentioned, it was a more fast-paced story. There is something still very organic about it though, and that is what made it so compelling. I honestly expected to hear sirens, and felt some real anxiety that there might be violence outside my door. It was an odd sensation. I hope it rings true with non-preppers/borderline preppers as well. Well done G. Can't wait for the next one!
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Post by: P_Coltrane on September 08, 2012, 05:15:16 AM
I found it interesting that Lisa's ego and her need to be right were stronger than her desire for self preservation and protecting her family.

It was pretty good foreshadowing in the first book when Grant stated he had a gift for reading people and knowing how to get them to do what he needed.  With her personality, Grant had no choice but to leave her and the children behind.  She would have held a grudge and become more of a liability had he forced her to bug out.

Just as servicemen vow to protect against enemies foreign and domestic, Grant was protecting his family from both external and internal threats.

Anyway, being fiction, any or all of my opinions can be annihilated at the turn of the page . . .
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on September 08, 2012, 06:53:20 AM

I finished book two last night.

I liked this book more than book one. Of course, I must preface the evaluation with the realization that I am an action junky so book one was a little slow. I understand why book one had to be slow and still liked it. But, the collapse part of book two was far more entertaining.


A good point, PrepperJim.  Yes, the action increases in each book.  A lot.  (You will enjoy looking back at Book One after you read Book Ten!)  I thought about releasing Book One and even Book Two in the middle of the series because I like to start things off with action.  But, the more I thought about it--and I did for about 2.5 years--the more I kept realizing that things that happen in Book One are necessary to explain what happens in successive books. 

This is especially true of Grant's personality; the things that shaped him are really important later on.  In fact, some of the things in Book Two and especially Book Three onward are almost unbelievable if you don't understand Grant's personality.  Conversely, by fully understanding Grant's personality the things in Book Three and onward make perfect sense.  The two best examples of this are Grant building up the community at Pierce Point and leading another group that you'll be reading about in a few books.  I truly think that the things that shaped Grant's personality (which are true; they shaped my personality) will make it not only possible but probable that he will successfully build up the community there and lead the other group.  You'll see what I'm talking about.

The necessity of understanding the characters' personality is also true of other characters; you need to know them before what they do later makes sense.  Take the Team, for example.  Knowing that they are "regular guys" who form up and humbly do their thing (and do it well, as we do in real life) makes it much more understandable that they will be the humble team you will see in Book Three and the following books.  The chapter about Mrs. Nguyen is a perfect example.  You need to know how these guys would treat Mrs. Nguyen to understand--and believe--how they will treat the people out at Pierce Point. 

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I too, was bothered by Lisa's attitude that it was time to get the hell out. I really think that people would wake up faster than that. If my wife just killed three people protecting the neighborhood, I would know that it was time to go. That it took a crazy woman's attack on the children to convince Lisa was a stretch. But, OK...she finally was convinced.


I struggled with this.  Here is where I came down: the real Lisa would react as I depict her.  Now, that was true 2.5 years ago when I was forming the story in my mind.  My wife was terrible with normalcy bias back then.  I honestly think she would have reacted the way she does in the book--that's what makes the story believable because it was true at the time.  Now that she knows about the books and that I'm a prepper, she would react better than in the book.  In effect, writing a 3,200 page book series was my way of breaking her into the very "radical" idea (in her mind) that we need to prep and would need to bug out. 

Another reason why Lisa's normalcy bias is as strong as in the book is that lots of people will react exactly as she does.  I think most will.  I truly do.  Remember: you guys are preppers.  You are very active on a prepper forum; you are not exactly "average Americans."  When the collapse hits for real, you will be stunned at how some people react.  You will be saying, "Wow, that person was such a 'Lisa.'" 

Don't forget the effects of extreme stress.  Lisa is under tremendous pressure.  People react in amazingly different ways under stress. 

Yet another reason Lisa has such a strong case of normalacy bias is that it sets the stage for Book Three and beyond.  Her normalcy bias and others'--and how they approach the new reality of the collapse--is critical in future books.  You need to see it in Book One and Book Two before the future events make any sense.

As far as Nancy goes, I truly believe there are plenty of Nancys out there.  I work with them.  Seriously, you should meet the real Nancy.

In polite pre-collapse society, the Nancys of the world are smiling and even seemingly sweet people.  But they crave power and love to boss people around.  Currently, in pre-collapse society, they are bossing people around with interoffice memos.  When there are no more memos because no one is still going to their jobs, the Nancys will boss people around with the neighborhood meetings and... much more (as show in Book Three and beyond). 

Nancy being that mean was necessary, in my opinion, to wake people the hell up.  There are Nancys in your life and they seem nice now.  Watch out for the Nancys. 

I also think the Nancys, and the government supporting the Nancys, will finally take some action--for Lisa, it was hurting Cole--that finally get people with normalcy bias to snap out of it.  We preppers usually think the government will do something like fire on a crowd and that will wake people up.  I think the "wake-up" moment needs to be more personal for most people.  Seeing a crowd in another part of the country getting shot on TV won't be enough.  The sheeple need to see the government do something to them and their loved ones before they get it.

In a lot of ways, the Nancy-versus-Lisa fight is the clash of two worlds that we will see in the collapse.  Nancy is the world of power hungry people who are going wild because there is no one to stop them, which will definitely happen during the collapse.  Lisa is the world of normalcy bias, which will also definitely happen.  There is a clash--only one of the two versions of the world will survive and the other one will have to change.  Normalcy bias changed.   

Remember that Nancy is off her meds when she attacks Lisa.  Do not underestimate how people on mental meds will totally change when they're off their meds.  I wrote the Nancy chapter from her perspective so the impact of her being off her meds is underplayed because she would underplay it. 

Another reason Nancy is so awful in Book Two is that you are just getting the first few glimpses of her.  She has at least one chapter in every book, giving you a dispatch of what's going on from the perspective of a government-loving resident of Olympia.  What she's doing in Book Two is necessary for understanding her in--you guessed it--Book Three and beyond.  Wait until you see how Nancy is in Book Ten.  It's not exactly what you expect.  You'll look back at Book Two and say "Aha!" 

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I was expecting far more trouble heading to the cabin beyond $10 / gallon gas and a stalled car blocking the road. Pow and the Team had it too easy! ;-)


The relatively smooth sailing on the way out to the cabin was a very conscious choice on my part.  In the partial collapse I foresee, there will be lots of expected gun fights that don't materialize.  In fact, in some upcoming books there are a couple of gun fights that don't happen and some unexpected ones that do.  That's how I see things going during the collapse: getting ready for things that don't happen and reacting to the unexpected. 

The $10 a gallon gas was deliberately anti-climatic to readers of pure prepper porn.  That price for gas isn't the end of the world (heck, we're almost halfway there now).  But that's the point: even when things seem to be totally collapsing in the eyes of preppers who understand what's happening, there are still lots of sheeple who just think it's a temporary blip.  Sure, gas is $10 a gallon right now, the sheeple will tell themselves, but the President will send out an executive order to get the price back down.  Dumb asses actually believe that.  So I think it's realistic that the spike in gas prices at the onset of the collapse will be staggered over time instead of the instant spike we preppers would expect.

Don't forget that gas station owners have normalcy too.  They won't be able to believe what's happening and will hesitate to charge $200 a gallon because they'll be worried that things will quickly return to normal and they will have alienated all their customers. 

The stalled car on the road is another example of a partial collapse and that 299 Days is not prepper porn with big gun fights at the drop of a hat.  I think stalled cars will be much, much more common than gun fights.  By a factor of 100 to 1. 

Also, and of vital importance, the stalled car shows you the personality of the Team: helping instead of killing.  This, like how they treat Mrs. Nguyen, show you how the Team will treat people at Pierce Point... and beyond.  In fact, the (real) Team and I have talked about how we handle situations like the stalled car.  The consensus was to help and not kill.  (But if we see one weapon even remotely pointed at us, the stalled car is swiss cheese a millisecond after Pow yells "Threat!")

You guys keep these observations and questions coming.  I love elaborating on things you guys notice.
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Post by: PrepperJim on September 08, 2012, 07:43:53 AM


Another reason why Lisa's normalcy bias is as strong as in the book is that lots of people will react exactly as she does.  I think most will.  I truly do.  Remember: you guys are preppers.  You are very active on a prepper forum; you are not exactly "average Americans."  When the collapse hits for real, you will be stunned at how some people react.  You will be saying, "Wow, that person was such a 'Lisa.'" 

Don't forget the effects of extreme stress.  Lisa is under tremendous pressure.  People react in amazingly different ways under stress. 

Heavy G - You make excellent points here and in the parts that I cut out. Upon reflection, you are correct. I am totally underestimating the normalcy bias that is present in society. People fully expect things to take care of themselves and work themselves out. And, to be frank, I think I will have a much easier time convincing my wife to get the hell out than you will Lisa. Of course, we've both been "prepared" by Hurricane's Katrina, Rita and Ike for what can happen. But, I think that I will need to mentally prepare my wife to get the hell out Houston should a slow motion collapse happen. Not that we have anywhere to go other than to family 500+ miles away, but that is another problem....

Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: backwoods_engineer on September 08, 2012, 09:29:33 AM
Guys, I have a male "Nancy" in my office.  This guy is a petty tyrant who has the boss wrapped around his fingers.   He laughs and smiles constantly, but will plunge in a verbal dagger to the hilt.  He isn't exactly a hoplophobe like Nancy in the book (he hunts), but the prepper mindset is fairly foreign to him.

That guy is going to be trouble when TSHTF.  I have had a few run-ins with him, and the guy is dangerous.   If he only knew how many people in the office carry concealed...
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on September 08, 2012, 10:25:11 AM

Heavy G - You make excellent points here and in the parts that I cut out. Upon reflection, you are correct.


It's not that I'm right.  The editors thought the same thing as you did, at first.  But they have the advantage of reading Book Three and beyond.  That answered many of their questions.

But if you only have Book One and Book Two, I can totally see why people would ask the same questions you did.
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Post by: Grannywhiskers on September 08, 2012, 10:45:46 AM
Guys, lets cut Grant some slack.  When he left Lisa he knew the team was still in town!  He trusts his team (that was my thought at the time).  Also, what good would it have done his family if he had died? Lisa was not aware of the preps.  Manda was, but not Lisa.  Also, Grant had talked to Manda, trained Manda to help protect Lisa.
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Post by: Heavy G on September 08, 2012, 09:32:23 PM

Guys, lets cut Grant some slack.  When he left Lisa he knew the team was still in town!  He trusts his team (that was my thought at the time).  Also, what good would it have done his family if he had died? Lisa was not aware of the preps.  Manda was, but not Lisa.  Also, Grant had talked to Manda, trained Manda to help protect Lisa.


Yep.  Grant had three choices: (1) stay in Olympia to be a good husband and probably get killed or go to jail, or (2) try to waive a gun in Lisa's face and force her to go to the cabin, or (3) just leave.  Number 3 makes the most sense, by far.

I'm serious when I say the theme songs help explain a chapter.  The theme song for the chapter where Grant leaves is "Note to Self: Don't Die" by Ryan Adams.  When he finally leaves, Grant is fed up with having to hid prepping from Lisa and he's not willing to die in Olympia just so she can feel like everything is OK.  The key line in the song is:

Note to self: don't change for anyone
Note to self: don't die
Note to self: don't change for anyone
Don't change, just lie

This means Grant isn't going to die for Lisa--at least not going to die just so Lisa can feel comfortable staying in Olympia.  Lisa's (temporary) sense of things being normal isn't worth dying. 

So Grant will not change the way he is just to die for no reason.  He will lie to her (by hiding his prepping) and do what he has to do.

Here is the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B69S_0g6NqY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B69S_0g6NqY)
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Post by: Dusti on September 09, 2012, 08:57:21 AM
Just finished book two. Tried to spread it out, but had a very hard time putting it down. One of the things I loved about it was that I had to take notes while reading. I've been prepping for a while now, but there were some good ideas and points that I felt I needed to address in my own preps. Now I can't wait for the next books.
On a different note, I also connected with many of the issues with the state government. I too use to work for WA ST and way too familiar with the issues brought up. I still work very closely with the state and still see this. frustrating.
Way to go "Glen"! Looking forward to the next installment!
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Post by: Heavy G on September 09, 2012, 09:44:41 AM

there were some good ideas and points that I felt I needed to address in my own preps.


Awesome!  I was trying to convey some practical things without coming across like a prepping manual thinly disguised as a novel.  I think 299 Days is the other way around: a novel first and foremost, with some practical stuff in there too.

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I too use to work for WA ST and way too familiar with the issues brought up. I still work very closely with the state and still see this. frustrating.


Dude, people outside Washington State--like those in the free parts of the country--are probably thinking, "There's no way Washington State is that left-wing and loopy."  You have validated that what I write about is frighteningly real.  You're not the first person who works in government on these issues and has validated it.   
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Post by: Chemsoldier on September 09, 2012, 01:40:29 PM
I really like the idea of $10, $200 gas or whatever it is going to be.  We live in a monetized world, and as long as money is accepted somewhere most things will have a value.  Even if no one takes currency, they will take something that they value.  Even in an economic collapse, economics doesnt stop, relative value just shifts tremendously and for many people it will shift tragically.

Great book, audio books my friend, audiobooks.
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Post by: Dadio on September 09, 2012, 02:18:29 PM
Hey, if you have a Nook or Kindle account, go in there are give the man some reviews!
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Post by: Heavy G on September 09, 2012, 07:37:39 PM
I have a blog post up explaining the soundtrack songs for Book Two.

http://299days.com/meaning-of-the-songs-accompanying-book-two/ (http://299days.com/meaning-of-the-songs-accompanying-book-two/)

If you've read Book Two, definitely read this blog post.
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Post by: Jesse2004 on September 09, 2012, 09:52:39 PM
Just finished book two. Tried to spread it out, but had a very hard time putting it down. One of the things I loved about it was that I had to take notes while reading. I've been prepping for a while now, but there were some good ideas and points that I felt I needed to address in my own preps. Now I can't wait for the next books.

I agree with Dusti.  Having finished the first two books has added significant urgency to my prep 'to-do' list.  I'm fortunate that my family is mostly on board.  Can't wait for the next books either...
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Post by: N. Cal on September 10, 2012, 10:10:55 PM
I do kinda agree with Grant leaving Lisa and the kids behind. After killing someone in that situation is he just supposed to sit there and be arrested, thrown in jail, and rot? He could do nothing to help his family then. His Neighbor Nancy had it out for him and would have insured that he was arrested at least. If not by the cops then by the comunity. Bugging out without the family was also better in case the cops were after him. Really enjoyed the books.
N. Cal.
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Post by: romeojuliethotel on September 10, 2012, 10:16:49 PM
Question for the other readers... as you read these books, did you have moments where you stopped reading and thought, "Wow, this me?"  When Grant was describing the way in which he discovered TSP and relaying his thoughts, it took me by surprise.  I actually stopped reading for a minute and my mind wander back to when I stumbled in the "Church of Jack." Maybe there are others with the same feelings since we are community of listeners - and now readers, and we're all going through this together in the real world.
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Post by: cheryl1 on September 11, 2012, 06:01:40 AM
My husband-who is not a TSP listener- made a commont wondering if these books were a plug for the podcast. He said something like -he's a lawyer, doesn't he know how to look stuff up on the Internet without taking this Jack guy's word on everything? Then we had a nice conversation about how when you start looking for "survival" type stuff on-line you end up with a lot of sites that you really don't want the FBI to know you opened. And about how nice it was to find the TSP site and forum, because it was one of the few sites not filled with kooks. (we just have enough kooks to qualify as a diverse community;) )
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Post by: romeojuliethotel on September 11, 2012, 07:21:10 AM
My husband-who is not a TSP listener- made a commont wondering if these books were a plug for the podcast. He said something like -he's a lawyer, doesn't he know how to look stuff up on the Internet without taking this Jack guy's word on everything?

I understand how your husband could think that, but as you probably surmised, TSP doesn't need a plug.  TSP is growing more and more as our world plunges into the hands of nefarious individuals.  People are riding the wave of hype and starting to figure out that there is a lot of nonsense out there when it comes to prepping.  Stay strong, your husband will eventually come around and start respecting your decisions.  It is eerie, the level of accuracy of the book in relation to real life.

In regards to the part about, "he's a lawyer..." I've worked in IT for 15 years and I can attest, just because a person is an attorney (or Doctor), that title has no bearing on their technical aptitude.  You'd be surprised at the number of people in these professions that are unable to use a computer to do detailed searches or find specific information.  I rack it up to laziness since everything else in this day and age is presented to us with little or no effort.  So, Grant's character being a lawyer that has to rely on a forum for information is completely plausible.
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Post by: Heavy G on September 11, 2012, 09:39:29 AM

My husband-who is not a TSP listener- made a commont wondering if these books were a plug for the podcast. He said something like -he's a lawyer, doesn't he know how to look stuff up on the Internet without taking this Jack guy's word on everything? Then we had a nice conversation about how when you start looking for "survival" type stuff on-line you end up with a lot of sites that you really don't want the FBI to know you opened. And about how nice it was to find the TSP site and forum, because it was one of the few sites not filled with kooks. (we just have enough kooks to qualify as a diverse community;) )


Cheryl:  Tell your husband this was 100% true.  I describe in the book exactly how I came to TSP.  That's what makes Book One and Book Two feel so "real": because they are real.

The books aren't a plug for the podcast, just an acknowledgment of how I started prepping.  One thing to remember is that I mention TSP two or three times in 3,200 pages.  That's one unfocused plug.  But I wanted to give Jack credit because he got me prepping and thereby probably saved my life and my family's.  That's a big thank-you.
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Post by: cheryl1 on September 11, 2012, 10:32:53 AM
I posted his comments because I thought it was an interesting perspective from someone who is sympathetic to prepping, but not on this forum. He relies on me for a lot of how-to info on prepping, and really has no idea how hard it would be to pull all this info together on your own.
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Post by: romeojuliethotel on September 11, 2012, 01:35:12 PM
Posted today: "The U.S. government's debt rating could be heading for the "fiscal cliff" along with the federal budget.  Moody's Investors Service said Tuesday it would likely cut its "Aaa" rating on U.S. government debt, probably by one notch, if budget negotiations fail."

http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/11/13803929-moodys-warns-it-will-cut-us-bond-rating-if-budget-talks-fail?lite
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 11, 2012, 02:37:20 PM
After reflection of some of the characters in this book, AND people I know in real life, I'm convinced there's going to be all manner of moronic behavior during a crisis.

I just got a huge dose of normalcy bias from facebook "friends" regarding 9/11.  Only 11 years later, there's a vocal minority of Jihadist apologists spewing stuff like "if American's policies weren't so..." or "we're a society obsessed with violence and owning assault weapons...", "...we had it coming".

My cage is rattled - glad TSP is here  :-\

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Post by: N. Cal on September 11, 2012, 07:15:34 PM
On the news today they were saying that Moodies was considering lowering the USA's credit rating. This on the heals of reading about it in Glens book. Serious times ahead.
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Post by: cheryl1 on September 11, 2012, 09:15:54 PM
Cheryl:  Tell your husband this was 100% true.  I describe in the book exactly how I came to TSP.  That's what makes Book One and Book Two feel so "real": because they are real.

The books aren't a plug for the podcast, just an acknowledgment of how I started prepping.  One thing to remember is that I mention TSP two or three times in 3,200 pages.  That's one unfocused plug.  But I wanted to give Jack credit because he got me prepping and thereby probably saved my life and my family's.  That's a big thank-you.
He asked me today how many people actually listen to the podcasts and are on the forum. He was impressed with the growth since you found the podcast just a few years ago.
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Post by: 16onRockandRoll on September 11, 2012, 10:07:51 PM
Romeo-I thought the same thing when I hit on how he found TSP.  I might as well have written it about myself.
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Post by: romeojuliethotel on September 12, 2012, 12:45:12 PM
Romeo-I thought the same thing when I hit on how he found TSP.  I might as well have written it about myself.

Thanks for the feedback.  Good to know it wasn't just me at that point in the book.

I am travelling for work this week and I finished both books mid-way through my trip :(
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Post by: Nicodemus on September 14, 2012, 05:27:44 AM
Kung Pow kicks ass... That is all.  8)
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Post by: fritz_monroe on September 14, 2012, 05:41:12 AM
Kung Pow kicks ass... That is all.  8)
You ain't seen nothing yet. ;)
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Post by: Black November on September 14, 2012, 03:14:13 PM
Book two was great, can't wait for three & four.

I was expecting parts of the book to happen very differently, but that is why this book is so great. In a real collapse, gunfights won't commence at every stopped car, A Nancy may overreact, and a Lisa may under react.

Hollywood has desensitized us to the reality of everyday life.

Examples:
Why is there a murder in every episode of "Murder She Wrote"?
Why do the main characters of NCIS miraculously survive every gunfight?
Did anyone ever use the restroom during any of Lord of the rings movies?
How many once in a lifetime discoveries can Indiana Jones have?
 
Thanks to Hollywood we expect adventure around every corner, death defying feates, and million-to-one odds.

This book has something that most books don't; realism. Bravo!
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Post by: 16onRockandRoll on September 14, 2012, 08:20:15 PM
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Why do the main characters of NCIS miraculously survive every gunfight?
Kate didn't...
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Post by: nimzy88 on September 14, 2012, 09:10:55 PM
Just finished book two, knocked it out in one slow night at work. I will be honest it took a couple weeks to get through book one, as at times it did feel a bit too much for me, which was possible due to the dose of reality included. Not to put down Heavy G but I could tell it was a first attempt at writing, which made an easy read just not as clean and fluid I guess, this though from a guy that hasn't written more than a 3 page story in 8th grade.

That being said I finished the second book in one night and thought it was very fluid, engaging and great. So great job, can't wait for the third book.

Demographics 24, white male
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 14, 2012, 09:12:33 PM
Maybe my biggest literary pet peeve are infallible characters.  The world is far from black and white, and oversimplified characters who have no doubts or don't make mistakes bore me to no end.
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Post by: Heavy G on September 14, 2012, 09:25:05 PM

You ain't seen nothing yet. ;)


Yep.  Fritz is one of the handful of people on the planet who has read all ten books.  Pow does some cool shit.  I'm BBQing with him on Sunday.  He's a totally solid guy in real life.  Exactly as I describe him in the books.
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Post by: Heavy G on September 14, 2012, 09:28:18 PM

This book has something that most books don't; realism. Bravo!


Thank you.  I tried hard to keep it real.  Actually, I didn't try that hard.  I just wrote down what's real and it all came together.

Now bear in mind that Book One and most of Book Two take place in the past or present.  It's easy to keep it real when it's describing things that have actually happened.  It's harder to keep it real when predicting things in the future.  Although, another prediction in the book (that the US credit rating would be lowered AGAIN happened just today).
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Post by: monkeyboyf on September 14, 2012, 09:45:25 PM
Book Two to short.  Hurry! ;D
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Post by: Serenity Gulch on September 15, 2012, 06:05:22 PM
In our family I'm the prepper and my husband is the one with normalcy bias. He's on the same page politically but his idea of action is posting outraged memes on Facebook. Today I decided to push a little bit. I said "Honey, I'd like to make a stock-up run to Costco tomorrow. With the way Bernanke is screwing with the economy I think we should buy as much food as we can while we still can afford it" and he said "OK, that makes sense" YAY!!

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Post by: Heavy G on September 15, 2012, 08:13:26 PM

In our family I'm the prepper and my husband is the one with normalcy bias. He's on the same page politically but his idea of action is posting outraged memes on Facebook. Today I decided to push a little bit. I said "Honey, I'd like to make a stock-up run to Costco tomorrow. With the way Bernanke is screwing with the economy I think we should buy as much food as we can while we still can afford it" and he said "OK, that makes sense" YAY!!


Wahoo!
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Post by: shambo on September 16, 2012, 01:11:02 PM
I just finished the second book yesterday from start to finish, largely due to the book would not leave my hands until done.  I did have a big gripe about  Pow using his CCW badge around his neck.  These damn things can bought by anyone and can get  you  in a lot of trouble in the real world.  But then I realized that it was important to show how people with a bad case of normalcy bias just wanted to believe there were cops out there and were here to save them.  Pow used this belief to his advantage. Great story.  I would never buy these fake badges cuz they will get you charged and get your guns taken away if you flash on of these things.  But it worked for Pow and it worked in the story.
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Post by: Serenity Gulch on September 17, 2012, 06:50:03 AM
Just curious, why didn't Grant prep for a power outage? We've read lots about beans, bullets, and bandaids but I haven't heard anything mentioned about a generator. Did he just decide if they do lose power at the cabin they can just use candles and cook on the BBQ?
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on September 17, 2012, 09:14:12 AM
Just curious, why didn't Grant prep for a power outage? We've read lots about beans, bullets, and bandaids but I haven't heard anything mentioned about a generator. Did he just decide if they do lose power at the cabin they can just use candles and cook on the BBQ?

I dunno about grant, but I sure prep for power outages.  A typical winter for us has at least 1.5 days without power.  We live on top of a hill, with exposed power lines and LOTS of big trees that like to blow down.  Oddly enough, I do not own a generator.  See Steven Harris' recent podcast.



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Post by: Heavy G on September 17, 2012, 10:33:03 PM

Just curious, why didn't Grant prep for a power outage? We've read lots about beans, bullets, and bandaids but I haven't heard anything mentioned about a generator. Did he just decide if they do lose power at the cabin they can just use candles and cook on the BBQ?


An excellent question.  Not sure I have a solid answer.  The main reason Grant doesn't prep specifically for a power outage is that all the other things you'd need in a collapse--food, medical, guns--would be needed in a grid down situation.  Also, Grant can pull off some secret prepping but a generator would be hard to get past Lisa.  *based on a true story*
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Post by: Heavy G on September 18, 2012, 08:56:32 PM
Book Two being read by a young Patriot...

(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q611/cherylrussell1/8608B38A-728D-44F4-BD97-F0E02B408C6D-4635-0000095A489C8881.jpg)
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Post by: cheryl1 on September 19, 2012, 09:20:28 AM
I love that picture :)
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Post by: antiwraith on September 23, 2012, 03:46:20 PM
When do the next set of books come out?  I'm dying to continue the story!
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Post by: Heavy G on September 23, 2012, 07:44:10 PM

When do the next set of books come out?  I'm dying to continue the story!


Mid November.
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Post by: Serenity Gulch on September 24, 2012, 01:25:39 PM
Mid November.

My birthday is November 16th. Looks like it's going to be real easy to tell hubby what to get me this year.  ;)
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Post by: Heavy G on September 24, 2012, 10:23:59 PM

My birthday is November 16th. Looks like it's going to be real easy to tell hubby what to get me this year.  ;)


The family that read 299 Days together, stays together.
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Post by: Serenity Gulch on September 25, 2012, 06:32:23 AM
The family that read 299 Days together, stays together.

Unfortunately I doubt I'll be able to get hubby to read the series. If you had set it in the Star Wars or Star Trek universe he'd be all over it, but reality doesn't hold his interest.
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Post by: Heavy G on September 25, 2012, 08:15:24 AM

Unfortunately I doubt I'll be able to get hubby to read the series. If you had set it in the Star Wars or Star Trek universe he'd be all over it, but reality doesn't hold his interest.


Want me to have the Team come and visit him?  He'll be pleading for his life and then might be open to reading the books.  Just a thought. 

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Post by: MTUCache on September 25, 2012, 08:32:54 AM
Again, an excellent read. I don't know if it was the additional action, the shorter time period, or getting used to your writing style, but I did enjoy the second book a bit more than the first (probably a combination of all three).

I find myself constantly checking this world's "reality" against what I would expect to happen in typical "prepper-porn" type novels.
Having the Team help the little old lady was nice, and helps develop (or reinforce) their characters, but the stalled car was a very nice touch. 90% of fiction novels would have had a fire-fight in that scene (or the gas station before-hand), so it was nice to see that not every author feels the need to have a gun fight simply because his characters are carrying guns.

I felt like Grant's reaction to his gun fight was appropriate as well. No heroism or self-assuredness, but a lot of self-doubt, second-guessing and conflicting regrets. Just the way I would expect a real person to look back at the first time they found themselves in that awful situation.

I don't know if I can wrap my head around bugging out alone, without my wife and kids. Of course I have no idea how I would react, but in my head I don't think I would leave. I would stay in my home regardless of whether authorities would be looking for me... no way I would leave my wife or kids unprotected in that scenario. I don't know if I would use force to get them to come with me, but I would like to think I would have fought a lot harder than Grant did.

Even though I'm definitely not "tacti-cool" and I'm an older family man myself, I find myself identifying more with the Team and Pow than I do with Grant. I'm torn between whether I want the Team to rescue a bunch of "damsels in distress" type sorority chicks and end up all coupling up, or if that might be a little too predictable and start wandering dangerously close to Nora Roberts territory. :p

(As long as some fem-bot doesn't show up with an attitude and a crossbow I think I'll be alright with whatever happens.)  ::)
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Post by: eph2 on September 26, 2012, 09:09:38 AM
Finally got time to read and read through both books yesterday and today.  Loved the story and really look forward to more.  I have an "outside voice" that speaks to me in exactly the same way; short phrases, succinct thoughts, and I wonder where it comes from in the same way as you describe in the book.  That was very believable to me.

The Lisa thing bothered me too but on reflection it's realistic, more realistic than most preppers (including myself) can fathom.  We are shocked on a daily basis by just how blind people can be.  Denial and ignorance, willful or otherwise, go way beyond what seems possible even when the truth is staring people in the face.  It's actually an important concept to come to grips with.

Thanks, Heavy G
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Post by: 16onRockandRoll on September 26, 2012, 08:50:19 PM
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The Lisa thing bothered me too but on reflection it's realistic, more realistic than most preppers (including myself) can fathom.  We are shocked on a daily basis by just how blind people can be.  Denial and ignorance, willful or otherwise, go way beyond what seems possible even when the truth is staring people in the face.  It's actually an important concept to come to grips with.

My brother, who is very much a grasshopper, but I'm making inroads with, was watching Revolution with his wife.  She mentioned how much it would suck if all the electronics went down (they are VERY "plugged in") just thinking about how much she would miss the gizmos.  He thought she meant the whole situation, including what would come afterwards.  So he says "Yeah, we should get some more guns and ammunition."  She just couldn't comprehend why he would want guns and ammunition in such a scenario.  It had never crossed her mind that people would become violent over it.  Luckily he knows, and the country boy deep down inside of him is ever so slowly coming around to preparing for some eventuality.
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Post by: Heavy G on September 26, 2012, 09:23:32 PM

Thanks, Heavy G


It is my great pleasure.
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Post by: hobbs67 on October 01, 2012, 12:51:51 PM
Good reads Heavy G.  Its a testament to good writing that I am still mad at Grant for leaving the house and family two days after finishing the books. (Its all about protecting the family and then he leaves the family)  As someone said earlier -- thanks for emotionally toying with me.   ;D

I really liked how you fleshed out the backstory for Grant over book one -- it was like reading my life story btw down to the legal career and making it to "respectability", though from shanty irish roots for me so that helps -- but it really humanized Grant and to some extent Lisa, the good and the bad and made me care about how Lisa was going to react, would Grant get caught and so on and so on.

Good stuff and drat now I can't wait for November.






 
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Post by: Heavy G on October 01, 2012, 08:56:17 PM
Thanks, Hobbs.  The reason people are loving the story is that it's (largely) real.  The truth is more interesting than fiction.  The story feels real because it (largely) is real.

Well, the present-tense portion of the story is real.  But the future-tense portion will probably be real at the pace we're going in this country.
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Post by: ndcarry on October 02, 2012, 02:04:52 PM
Just had to chime in and give my thanks as well, I got through both books quickly, and enjoyed them. I also enjoy the discussion on the forum about these to see others opinions.

I also had many poignant moments while reading the books because I started listening to TSP early on, when I started prepping, and when I look back at all I have accomplished in my life in the past few years, its overwhelming. Reading about Grant's introduction to prepping took me back to many of the emotions and introspective moments I had as well. Now I'm living at my bug out location and well prepared. Luckily, I have a supporting wife in the process, it would've been more of a challenge to have been married to a Lisa, that's for sure.

Looking forward to the next books, hopefully the paradigm holds out long enough to publish all 10? G, have you thought of that?

John
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Post by: Heavy G on October 02, 2012, 04:05:55 PM
Yep, I've thought about how I hope all ten books get out before the collapse.  There's logistics involved in publishing a book; it takes a lot of time.  Hopefully things don't go south.
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Post by: AlanB on October 02, 2012, 07:18:36 PM
Loved the books, Hate that I need to wait till November for the next fix.

Unfortunately when you were speaking of the gun range owner getting skewered by the government, I had to stop and read it aloud to SWMBO and was asked if you had some kind of personal insight into our lives.

It is scary and amazing how much I can identify with here.

Thanks for writing these.
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Post by: Heavy G on October 02, 2012, 08:53:49 PM
My pleasure, AlanB.  Thanks for reading them.
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Post by: Veritas on October 02, 2012, 11:04:28 PM
My birthday is November 16th. Looks like it's going to be real easy to tell hubby what to get me this year.  ;)

Hey that's my bday as well. Im getting the new kindle that comes out this month so I can keep all my 299 days books on it.
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Post by: Serenity Gulch on October 03, 2012, 01:50:13 PM
Would someone please explain what "hillbilly slippers" are? A photo would be great. I tried to google it but all that's coming up are gag gifts like slippers made out of maxi pads, and somehow that doesn't strike me as being very tacticool.  ;D
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 03, 2012, 02:17:55 PM
Would someone please explain what "hillbilly slippers" are? A photo would be great. I tried to google it but all that's coming up are gag gifts like slippers made out of maxi pads, and somehow that doesn't strike me as being very tacticool.  ;D

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/public/NtTtxKumZtlHrrUsNAp29t-rLIL5-Nu7JmuBJLGx1UitCfn7YFenZGRatTf3sCp96qC3XMJZSr989ItVVMV_ZU1aat5-QajvaC5QsACk6z24d4XopHOLMVKhoBvcaqF3bSUn9AXPF5qU3kwUN-qaWABT5uEh)
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Post by: backwoods_engineer on October 03, 2012, 03:01:09 PM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/public/NtTtxKumZtlHrrUsNAp29t-rLIL5-Nu7JmuBJLGx1UitCfn7YFenZGRatTf3sCp96qC3XMJZSr989ItVVMV_ZU1aat5-QajvaC5QsACk6z24d4XopHOLMVKhoBvcaqF3bSUn9AXPF5qU3kwUN-qaWABT5uEh)

Gotta website?  I'd like to buy some.  Heavy G, "299 Days" has convinced me I need a pair to go with my "tacticool" pants :-)
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Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 03, 2012, 03:49:58 PM
Gotta website?  I'd like to buy some.  Heavy G, "299 Days" has convinced me I need a pair to go with my "tacticool" pants :-)

Look for "georgia boot" or "romeo boot"

Where I live they are locally available in many retail stores - which is perhaps ironic, because WA state is about the furthest point from GA in the continental US.

My wife buys a lot of shoes from http://www.zappos.com/romeo-boot (http://www.zappos.com/romeo-boot) and loves them. 
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Post by: hobbs67 on October 03, 2012, 07:14:49 PM
Gotta website?  I'd like to buy some.  Heavy G, "299 Days" has convinced me I need a pair to go with my "tacticool" pants :-)

 ;D

I already tried to follow G's lead but I forgot my official 299 days guide to when purchasing.  A note for one and all, parachute pants and slippers do not gain you acceptance at your local gun store.  My local SF Ted tried to choke me out. :P
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Post by: Heavy G on October 03, 2012, 10:03:13 PM
You guys slay me.

Parachute pants and slippers?  That paints a mental picture.
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Post by: Jonathon January on October 13, 2012, 10:34:57 PM
So my speculation for book three. 

Are we going to see the debut of the "patriots"? There's a reference to I believe special Ted taking care of somethings that chip doesn't want to tell grant about yet....

Also, if it wrong that I was wanting to see Manda run down and put a couple rounds into Nancy? I was glad to see Lisa get up and beat her nearly senseless but I just wanted to see Manda eliminate her with extreme prejudice.



Heavy, in book two you used the phrase "9/11 times a hundred"  did you come up with this your own or did you steal it from the movie Team America?  I read that phrase and just busted out laughing. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZcZ6eJoxeE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Post by: Heavy G on October 14, 2012, 07:02:21 AM

Heavy, in book two you used the phrase "9/11 times a hundred"  did you come up with this your own or did you steal it from the movie Team America?  I read that phrase and just busted out laughing. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZcZ6eJoxeE&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Ha!  I just made that phrase up; I had no idea it was in a movie. 

To address your speculation about Patriots and Special Forces Ted.... nah, I won't address it and spoil things.

And Manda plugging Nancy.... not gonna spoil nuthin'.  Let me put it this way: Manda hates podiatrists. 
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Post by: Alan Georges on October 15, 2012, 08:33:40 PM
Finished #2 last night. Can. Not. Wait. for #3.  But I guess I'm gonna.

About Grant leaving Lisa and the kids... been in similar situations several times with the kids and the ex when hurricanes threatened.  Each time there were exactly zero good options.  Can't second guess Grant for what he did, but it was gut-wrenching to read it nevertheless.

Glad the kids are grown and those days are over.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: backwoods_engineer on October 16, 2012, 11:53:16 AM
Alan, didn't you just love that ending, with the sound of Lisa's SUV crunching the gravel, coming up the road to Pierce Point?  That is just pure joy and elation, right there, distilled down into a sentence.  Good work, G!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Alan Georges on October 16, 2012, 05:02:04 PM
Alan, didn't you just love that ending, with the sound of Lisa's SUV crunching the gravel, coming up the road to Pierce Point?  That is just pure joy and elation, right there, distilled down into a sentence.  Good work, G!
Yeah, that was the perfect cliffhanger ending.  I'll be back for more in November!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on October 16, 2012, 08:33:21 PM

About Grant leaving Lisa and the kids... been in similar situations several times with the kids and the ex when hurricanes threatened.  Each time there were exactly zero good options.  Can't second guess Grant for what he did, but it was gut-wrenching to read it nevertheless.


Thank you, Alan.  Many others have said Grant should have forcibly taken Lisa and the kids.  I couldn't see myself doing that in real life.  You are so right that there are exactly zero good options in that situation. 
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on October 16, 2012, 08:39:06 PM

Alan, didn't you just love that ending, with the sound of Lisa's SUV crunching the gravel, coming up the road to Pierce Point?  That is just pure joy and elation, right there, distilled down into a sentence.  Good work, G!


Thanks, backwoods. You know where I got that idea?  From a Lucinda Williams song called "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road" (hence the name of that chapter).  Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxpPL_aY190&playnext=1&list=PL643BE74E92944F03&feature=results_main (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxpPL_aY190&playnext=1&list=PL643BE74E92944F03&feature=results_main)

This song started playing on my iPod as I was staring at the road in front of the cabin and thinking about what I'd do if my wife didn't come there when SHTF.

This song is in the soundtrack for the book.  http://299days.com/soundtrack/ (http://299days.com/soundtrack/)
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: backwoods_engineer on October 17, 2012, 10:14:43 AM
Heavy G, I really appreciate the book's soundtrack.  I hope when 299 Days is filmed, your soundtrack is incorporated.  I'd never heard of Ganstagrass before, but I've got "Long Hard Times to Come" now :-)
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Smurf Hunter on October 17, 2012, 11:08:23 AM
Thanks, backwoods. You know where I got that idea?  From a Lucinda Williams song called "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road" (hence the name of that chapter).  Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxpPL_aY190&playnext=1&list=PL643BE74E92944F03&feature=results_main (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxpPL_aY190&playnext=1&list=PL643BE74E92944F03&feature=results_main)

This song started playing on my iPod as I was staring at the road in front of the cabin and thinking about what I'd do if my wife didn't come there when SHTF.

This song is in the soundtrack for the book.  http://299days.com/soundtrack/ (http://299days.com/soundtrack/)

Because this forum is awesome and has improved my life for the better, I spent 10 minutes and made a playlist on grooveshark:

http://grooveshark.com/playlist/299+Days+Soundtrack/78442499

There were a few missing tracks I couldn't find - but collaboration is enabled if anyone wants to fill in the few missing tracks.
It was semi-automated (computer geek here), so there may be mistakes.  Again, feel free to make corrections.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on October 17, 2012, 08:19:36 PM
Awesome, smurfhunter.  It's weird to see all those songs that really influenced me there on a soundtrack.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Hootie on October 27, 2012, 06:37:52 PM
after reading this book, did anyone else get a slight case of "prepper panic"?

It honestly me made me double check my efforts on prepping.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: N. Cal on October 30, 2012, 07:40:44 PM
I have to admit to some prepper panic, I started working out more, lost 11lbs this month, picked up an AR, and some additional supplies. Can't wait for the next two books to come out.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Heavy G on October 30, 2012, 08:46:22 PM
Awesome, N. Cal., on the weight loss and the addition of the AR.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Peringle on December 16, 2012, 01:38:33 PM
Awesome book! My favorite part  was when Lisa finally woke up and beat the shit out of Nancy Ringman. Just bought book three and can't wait for the family to meet back up.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: backwoods_engineer on December 16, 2012, 05:30:04 PM
Awesome book! My favorite part  was when Lisa finally woke up and beat the shit out of Nancy Ringman. Just bought book three and can't wait for the family to meet back up.

Yeah, that was a pretty cool scene  :clap:
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: cmxterra on December 23, 2012, 09:32:34 AM
Skipped the first book.. Read the second.

Good book but way to short to justify the 9 buck plus price tag. If this is the way the others are I find it difficult to shell out 100 bucks for a bunch of novellas.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: 16onRockandRoll on December 23, 2012, 11:02:34 AM
Number 2 is the shortest by quite a bit. The story had an odd timing to it, and it really did need a break right then.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: cmxterra on December 23, 2012, 03:23:47 PM
Number 2 is the shortest by quite a bit. The story had an odd timing to it, and it really did need a break right then.


Shame then that it was the one that I bought via kindle. Still seems high for an electronic version of a ten part series. I am all for supporting one of our own but 100 bucks for fiction is more than I want to fork over. There are better ways to spend a C note considering the times we are in.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: MississippiJarhead on June 06, 2013, 05:03:45 AM
An interesting take on how the collapse will happen. I too, feel it will be somewhat partial depending on where you are. Other countries have had economic disasters that didn't end up in total free for all Mad Max scenario. Why would we be different? I also feel better about my situation. At least my neighbors, friends and family have enough sense to own firearms and not have an ideological opposition to using them when necessary.

My only knock is the price to material ration. I read all five books since last Friday but I did enjoy them  :P.
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: Hooligan on August 29, 2013, 08:14:04 AM
after reading this book, did anyone else get a slight case of "prepper panic"?

It honestly me made me double check my efforts on prepping.

Yes

I really hate his wife, anyone else? Why is she such a stubborn pain in the ass? Makes me appreciate my lady even more!
Title: Re: 299 Days: The Collapse (Book Two) - book discussion [SPOILER ALERT]
Post by: cheryl1 on August 29, 2013, 09:38:08 AM
:) I absolutely could not stand her either.