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Title: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Freedom Forged on November 01, 2016, 04:11:55 PM
I have a very old K lamp that still works well.  However, I want to add a couple more.  I have no idea what brand is best.  If there is anyone that can make a suggestion on a lamp that works well I would really appreciate it!
FF
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on November 01, 2016, 05:15:24 PM
I saw one in the camping section of walmart the other day.  It had a child proof cap on it.  I was about to buy it until I noticed that.  I mean really, does everything have to be a pain in the ass now? 

I've seen some on amazon but haven't bought one yet, now I'm afraid I'll get it and it will have the same stupid cap.  Might have to go old school and find antiques. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: bcksknr on November 01, 2016, 05:55:41 PM
     Remember to use the best lamp oil you can find. The type that restaurants use for table lights doesn't give off odors. I guess in an emergency any kerosene will do, but I find the smell of kerosene offensive. I guess I would go with with a good quality "barn lantern". They are well protected from wind and drafts and "reburn" some of the fumes. They are a good "grab the handle and walk around light. Get an extra glass chimney (or two) and some spare wicks. You should check the Leman's catalog for what types are available. Avoid anything that might tip.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: scoob on November 01, 2016, 07:03:45 PM
Dad collects lamps, so here are some quick thoughts I've picked up.
Kerosene:
Some fuel oil kerosene has sulfur in it. Be sure and ask for "clear". You can burn the stuff with sulfur, but it will reduce the life of your wick, and it's a little smoky.
You can usually buy 5-gallon cans of it at places like Tractor Supply or Home Depot, but you'll pay at least double what it costs at a bulk fuel & oil supplier.

Lamps:
One word... "Aladdin" if you can afford one.
Peruse Lehman's to get an idea of what's top end, what parts are out there, and an idea of cost.
Hit yard sales.  If a lamp is marked 'antique', it's probably not worth what they're asking.  If you see a lamp that has a railroad stamp on it, it's probably a collector's item. 
Look for railroad 'style' lamps that have the metal structure around the globe if you're looking for something to use outdoors.
Look up 'angle lamp'.  Those are really nice, but very pricy.  If you find one at a yard sale that doesn't have the glass, you can buy repro globes for them.  If the the fuel reservoir is rusted out,  you can easily electrify it... but I digress.

If you're at high elevation, you'll need to watch for 'high altitude' chimneys.  They are taller than regular chimneys.

Some lamps are made of clear glass.  They are still good,  but don't leave oil in them for extended periods of time.  It'll turn red and gel on you.  It's nasty to clean up. If you do leave it in, just dump the oil, clean everything with gas and let it dry real good.  Take the wick out and give it good soak and scrub.  Metal or painted lamps don't have this problem.  It's the UV.

That's all I can think of at the moment.  I'll see if I can get some pics posted up some time.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on November 08, 2016, 03:59:16 PM
I've had 2 of these for years. Converted to lamps, then back to lanterns.
Then I found some new replacements for a reasonable price.

http://www.leevalley.com/US/garden/page.aspx?p=10311&cat=2,40731,10311

I've never opened the box up, so don't know if they have become *china made* or not.

Price was good, and my old ones always worked well.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on November 08, 2016, 04:34:59 PM
I'm probably going to pick a couple of those up ST, scoob has me wanting an Aladdin lamp pretty bad though.  I figure it would make an OK heater for my bedroom too. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on November 08, 2016, 04:44:54 PM
Lee Valley has other awesome stuff too.  ;)

Woodworking, Gardening
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on November 08, 2016, 04:47:31 PM
That place is a bad influence on my pocketbook.  I tend to have an affinity for nice things. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on November 08, 2016, 04:58:08 PM
Understand that.  :)
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Richard (richard) on November 08, 2016, 08:01:39 PM
I have a very old K lamp that still works well.  However, I want to add a couple more.  I have no idea what brand is best.  If there is anyone that can make a suggestion on a lamp that works well I would really appreciate it!
FF
I didn't see that anybody suggested Lehmans, they perhaps have the best selection. Make sure you use indoor oil and not kerosene.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Puffer on November 09, 2016, 07:27:16 AM
Auction sales in my relatively rural area have these things regularly. I do marketing for the local auction hall so see the complete inventory every week. Lamps come through about every third sale, or even more frequently. So check out auctions near you.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: surfivor on November 09, 2016, 07:54:50 AM

 What is so great abut Alladin lamps ? I just have a cheap $10 lamp at my BOL. I use it all the time, it seems plenty sufficient. It's not very bright but I also use headlamps and once in a while I fire up the propane lamp as I have no electricity
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on November 09, 2016, 09:14:32 AM
As far as light output is concerned they seem to be a superior design.  They make a mantle glow similar to that of a propane lantern.  I haven't seen one in person but they look well engineered.  Although they also look like a lot more maintenance and to be more fragile than the standard oil lamps.  I'd like to have both, the Aladdin because I like nice things, the old style because I know it will always work. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: surfivor on November 09, 2016, 09:28:02 AM
hmmm, $180 is the cheapest unless ebay has stuff .. interesting if it's that bright though .. Maybe I should get one .. I am headed to my camp the day after Thanksgiving .. Maybe I should order one soon and have it by then

Should I get one with a shade or not ? The shelf style one maybe takes less space even though I would put it on a table anyway

http://aladdinlamps.com/mantle-lamps/classic-aluminum-table-lamp-less-shade/
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carl on November 09, 2016, 09:37:52 AM
I don't play with fire anymore, but you can trim the lamp wick in a shallow "V" or to a point and have a wider burn
and more light output from most any liquid fueled lamp.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: surfivor on November 09, 2016, 09:46:06 AM

 I ordered the shelf one for $150 that was the more durable type classic aluminum
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on November 09, 2016, 10:04:36 AM
I ordered the shelf one for $150 that was the more durable type classic aluminum

Post pictures and a review when you get it, I'd really like a real world view of it.  I think you can add a shade later if you want.  They say they put out a lot of heat so they may not be best for summer, but as I don't have a heater in my house it would be good for me in the winter. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: surfivor on November 09, 2016, 10:32:19 AM
Post pictures and a review when you get it, I'd really like a real world view of it.  I think you can add a shade later if you want.  They say they put out a lot of heat so they may not be best for summer, but as I don't have a heater in my house it would be good for me in the winter.

 Ok, I also ordered a 4 pound propane tank. It's nice and small. I use an 11 pound tank at my camp. When it runs out, I would rather switch to the 4 pounder until I refill it. I hate using the 1 pound canisters as they are a pain to screw onto the stove directly instead of using the line that runs outside. The 4 pounder seems like a good thing to have for car camping or what have you
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carl on November 09, 2016, 01:57:23 PM
Ok, I also ordered a 4 pound propane tank. It's nice and small. I use an 11 pound tank at my camp. When it runs out, I would rather switch to the 4 pounder until I refill it. I hate using the 1 pound canisters as they are a pain to screw onto the stove directly instead of using the line that runs outside. The 4 pounder seems like a good thing to have for car camping or what have you

KEROSENE sells by the pound? Sounds more like PROPANE to me.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on November 09, 2016, 02:09:56 PM
He said propane Carl.  LOL
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carl on November 09, 2016, 02:12:51 PM
He said propane Carl.  LOL

But the lamp and the subject of this thread is KEROSENE lamps.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: surfivor on November 09, 2016, 02:24:51 PM
sorry, yea two different things I ordered a kerosene lamp but also mentioned about my propane for cooking
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carl on November 09, 2016, 02:39:40 PM
sorry, yea two different things I ordered a kerosene lamp but also mentioned about my propane for cooking

I missed this and also use propane for a cook alternative,it uses 1 pound cans and operates about 3 hours on a small cannister.
I have a large can from a large barbeque and the adapter for longer term use,should I need a heat source.
OK,I should be back on track now, I just missed the turn.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: surfivor on November 09, 2016, 02:51:50 PM
I missed this and also use propane for a cook alternative,it uses 1 pound cans and operates about 3 hours on a small cannister.
I have a large can from a large barbeque and the adapter for longer term use,should I need a heat source.
OK,I should be back on track now, I just missed the turn.

 If I keep having to screw 1 pound cans onto my stove, I'm afraid it may strip the threads which happened once. Instead there is a line permanently connected to the stove that runs outside and I screw the larger tanks onto the connector outside
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: trekker111 on November 10, 2016, 10:16:56 AM
I have 7 of the chea, p Walmart camping section kerosene lanterns, 2 that I use, and the rest stored for the future. They work just fine. I also put back about a dozen spare wicks. As long as I have access to kerosene, those lanterns, and the few kerosene lamps that my wife has around, will provide years of light.

There are additives which can be added to kerosene to make them smell different. Look at stores that sell kerosene heaters.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: A Pawn on November 11, 2016, 08:26:06 PM
Try Lehman's. Link below:

https://www.lehmans.com/category/lamps-lighting

Take it easy...  8)
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Montag 451 on November 12, 2016, 10:25:05 PM
An Aladin lamp is easily the brightest K lamp available.
Bright enough that you'll see spots when you look away from
the glowing mantle.
That said, the mantles are delicate, (think coleman lantern)
and they must be monitored while operating. As the lamp slowly
heats up, airflow increases and you can end up with a
"runaway lamp" aka flame shooting out of the top.
they also give off quite a bit of heat. I have one from
1932, and buy parts from lehman's for it.
Lot of local amish have them, they are a great light
source, used properly. I'm always looking around for old ones
at flea markets, sales, etc.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Montag 451 on November 12, 2016, 11:02:51 PM
A couple side notes on Aladin lamps:

If you do accidentally overfire the lamp, and your mantle
soots up (black patches on it), just turn it down a bit and
leave it lit. The soot will *s l o w l y* burn away and the
mantle will be fine, at least in my experience.

I make sure I have at least 3 feet of clearance above the
thing when it's lit, the heat at the top of the chimney really is
pretty intense.

You can get several accessories for these lamps as well.
You can add a lampshade, with the added shade holder.
They make a heat dissipation gadget for the chimneys of some
lamps. Also a bug screen for the chimney, for outdoor use
I suppose.
The wick cleaner/scraper is handy and cheap. Doesn't
hurt to keep a spare mantle or two around either :)
Again, see Lehmans Hardware. If you have an old unidentified one,
they can look it up for you. They even had a reproduction glass shade
in stock to match the one that was available for mine in 1932.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Citizen Zero on December 20, 2016, 09:24:23 PM
I have several of the Aladdin lamps in varying forms and have been using them for many years. When the power goes out they will both light and heat the room quite easily, the light output is the equivalent of a 60W light bulb.

I noticed many references to Kerosene for the fuel, while this works in a pinch I prefer to run the lamps on pure Paraffin rather than K-1 or, even worse lamp oil from the store. Paraffin has the advantage of being extremely stable for long term storage while tolerating drastic temperature swings while being stored. Paraffin also has the advantage of the fact that it burns very clean and hot, though as Montag 451 pointed out you can still cake the mantle with soot if the lamp is set with the flame too high. The only real downside to paraffin is the cost, you will pay more per gallon, but in my experience it is worth every penny. Paraffin is commonly available at wholesale outlets like Cash and Carry since some restaurants still use it to refill their ambiance "candles" for the tables.

Trimming the wicks on the Aladdin lamps is also important as it affects the quality of the light that the mantle produces (evenness) and helps prevent soot collection on the mantle as well (uneven flame).

If you can locate them, the Aladdin Genie III is one of the most versatile of their models as it can be used on a table or put in wall or hanging mounts that are available. The best part is that the model 23 burner and gallery is compatible with many of the founts that are out there that can be obtained rather inexpensively on eBay and other sources (not to mention complete lamps) versus paying "new" retail price if you want to change the base. Same goes for spare parts, I recently picked up a dozen original mantles still in the retail display box for about $3.00 each when all was said and done. When it comes to the Aladdin lamps you WANT to have spares for things like wicks, mantles, chimneys and wick trimmers stored as well as fuel for the lamps.

As always, just my $.02
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: CPT Morgan on December 20, 2016, 10:05:23 PM
I prefer to run the lamps on pure Paraffin rather than K-1 or, even worse lamp oil from the store. Paraffin has the advantage of being extremely stable for long term storage while tolerating drastic temperature swings while being stored. Paraffin also has the advantage of the fact that it burns very clean and hot, though as Montag 451 pointed out you can still cake the mantle with soot if the lamp is set with the flame too high. The only real downside to paraffin is the cost, you will pay more per gallon, but in my experience it is worth every penny. Paraffin is commonly available at wholesale outlets like Cash and Carry since some restaurants still use it to refill their ambiance "candles" for the tables.

Good to know, thank you.  We've always purchased plain 'ol lamp oil.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Montag 451 on December 22, 2016, 07:51:42 PM
Thanks for the info C Zero :D
Didn't know that about the paraffin oil, going to look for that.
A word about K1 kerosene, It should be "Water Clear". If it's not, buy it
somewhere else, as it has additives or impurities that will gunk up your
wick. Was told that by a Kerosun heater rep at a 2 day training class I attended
like (omg, cringe) 30 years ago...            Montag451
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: CPT Morgan on December 23, 2016, 07:36:42 AM
Just looked at the lamp oil that I have and it says Paraffin Lamp Oil.  ;D
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Ralph on January 09, 2017, 11:34:33 AM
 Ive never owned an Aladdin, but by all Ive heard their light output is great. For wick lanterns check out WTKirkman.com
I've bought a few tubular lanterns/ hurricane types from them. They have some good info as well. For old style lanterns do a quick read on dead flame vs hot blast vs cold blast- they are different in light output and flame color for one thing. I have a number of kero lanterns, even keep one filled, but over time I have moved more to battery LED lights. Dont misunderstand that, I would never get rid of the kero ones. Kero lanterns are so simple and reliable, and burn maybe an ounce of fuel an hour. A gallon of kero in those goes a long way. One thing I have noticed is that the amount of smell seems to vary with flame size. Avoiding smoke from too high a flame, it seems keeping the flame on the high side reduces smell, at least in tubular lanterns. I've never played with dead flame lanerns.
If memory serves, WTKirkman's site has a writeup on lantern fuels and said paraffin oil has reduced light output compared to kero.  Be careful using alternate fuels. Using volitile fuel can be dangerous since the font is not sealed and only has a splash baffle on top of it in tubular lanterns. Recently I purchased a Coleman compact 1 mantle propane lantern. It's light output is somewhat more than a large kero lantern without the smell. Luckily I havent had to put it into emergency use yet, but it seems like it should work well and has a long run time
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: surfivor on January 09, 2017, 12:06:16 PM

 I still haven't gotten my alladin lamp going yet. I was going to bring it up to my camp for thanksgiving but I forgot and left it home. Then I was in Idaho over Christmas.

 I just brought the lamp up to camp this past weekend, but it being totally new to me I managed to screw up the mantle by mistake so I have to order another mantle
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on January 09, 2017, 12:12:48 PM
I bought a couple $6 lanterns from Wal-Mart this past week and some of their lamp oil.  I could notice a smell from the oil so I'm going to pick up something a little better from amazon.  Lamps seem to work fine for the cost although they do feel quite cheap. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on January 09, 2017, 01:06:25 PM
I need to pull the trigger and get stocked up on lamp oil. At 17.00 a gallon, I've been holding back. I should go ahead and get about 5 gallon. That would last us until the dirt under us wore out probably.  :D
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carl on January 09, 2017, 01:09:33 PM
#2 diesel fuel works just fine in my cooker and as lamp oil,though I rarely use fire for light...LED's won't burn you.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on January 09, 2017, 01:27:01 PM
#2 diesel fuel works just fine in my cooker and as lamp oil,though I rarely use fire for light...LED's won't burn you.

I like LED's in my flashlights but I have a thing for fire that puts out light.  I like that it also has the side effect of making heat as most of the time the power is out in my area it also happens to be winter. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Bolomark on January 09, 2017, 04:25:27 PM
Love my 2 Aladdin lamps. can even heat up soup with inverted tomato cage.
When not needed they are drained and on the self for decoration..
extra mantles and oil in my preps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw7dUgebWHg
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Montag 451 on January 10, 2017, 07:42:48 PM
Love my 2 Aladdin lamps. can even heat up soup with inverted tomato cage.
When not needed they are drained and on the self for decoration..
extra mantles and oil in my preps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw7dUgebWHg

Nice vid link Bolomark, very instructive.
Cool idea with the tomato cage too, plenty of heat there, that
would have to work.
A pair of Aladdin's would probably heat a small room.


Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: bcksknr on January 14, 2017, 11:17:11 AM
     I seem to remember another use for a kerosene lantern. The illustration I remember was of a Russian peasant family, during the war, listening to a simple old style tube radio. It was being powered by a circle of two dissimilar wire pieces, connected at the ends and "fanned out" around a lamp flame, with one set of ends in the flame and one set out. I believe it was a type of home made thermoelectric generator that converted the heat of the flame into an electric current to run the radio. There are now some types of these power sources, such as the "Power Pot" and "Biolight" stove on the market. I know there must be DIY articles to make your own or maybe even kits or finished ones. I like the idea of using a kerosene lighting device as an expedient electric power source. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Montag 451 on January 15, 2017, 09:40:45 AM
     I seem to remember another use for a kerosene lantern. The illustration I remember was of a Russian peasant family, during the war, listening to a simple old style tube radio. It was being powered by a circle of two dissimilar wire pieces, connected at the ends and "fanned out" around a lamp flame, with one set of ends in the flame and one set out. I believe it was a type of home made thermoelectric generator that converted the heat of the flame into an electric current to run the radio. There are now some types of these power sources, such as the "Power Pot" and "Biolight" stove on the market. I know there must be DIY articles to make your own or maybe even kits or finished ones. I like the idea of using a kerosene lighting device as an expedient electric power source.

Interesting. This might be fun to play around with. Just watched 10 or so U-Tube vids on this.
Here is one:     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUDS8fcTbUs
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on January 18, 2017, 07:10:13 PM
Tried burning my lamp again and the Wal-Mart oil is absolute garbage.  Stinks bad.  I ordered some other oil from amazon that had good reviews.  I'll dump these when the new stuff comes in and give them a try.  Hopefully I don't have to swap out the wicks. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on January 19, 2017, 06:54:03 PM
Thanks. Good to know. I eyeball the walmart oil fairly often....thinking....yea....no......maybe later. Yea that's it, later. I need more food stock right now.  :stop:
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on January 20, 2017, 10:24:44 AM
Thanks. Good to know. I eyeball the walmart oil fairly often....thinking....yea....no......maybe later. Yea that's it, later. I need more food stock right now.  :stop:

I bought two of them too.  I guess I'll get some tiki torches this year and burn it outside. 

The cheap little storm lanterns seem to work fine though ($5), I'm sure the Dietz are better quality though and still want to pick a couple up. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on January 23, 2017, 09:14:59 PM
OK, so I tried a different oil this evening that I picked up off of amazon.  Claimed to be clean burning with no smell but I still get a smell when I burn it.  Could it be how I'm burning it, maybe I need to trim the wick differently or something?  I cant figure it out. 

I dumped the other oil out and refilled them with the new stuff.  New oil looks the same as the other. 

Is a 1" high flame too high for a small dietz style lantern?  Could it be the lantern just doesn't function well because it is a cheap knock off? 

I remember my mom and grandma having the crystal looking oil lamps when I was a kid and I don't remember them smelling at all.  Seems they were an "in" thing sometime in the 90's. 

I've tried both "firefly" brand simply pure lamp oil and the Wal-Mart Florasense lamp oil.  Both are completely clear.  I've just tried trimming a wick with a shallow "v" shape like Carl mentioned.  Maybe I wasn't burning it high enough to get a clean burn.  I've left it burning in the kitchen for a bit at a slightly higher flame to see if it doesn't clean up the smell some.  I'm determined to get this figured out.  The flame does have a nicer shape this way. 

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FWIW, I don't seem to be getting any smoke but I get a smell that is not completely unlike that of a recently blown out candle smell without the smoke smell (if that makes any sense, I guess it's a vaporized paraffin smell)
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carl on January 24, 2017, 05:01:22 AM
  Even my propane burner produces a smell when burning and it is clean...I think you may expect too much (or too little odor) and also
that too high a flame leaves more fuel vapor to add to combustion byproducts (in my opinion)
I have a catalytic ,clean burning ,heater and even it smells.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: idelphic on January 24, 2017, 08:03:10 AM
Love my 2 Aladdin lamps. can even heat up soup with inverted tomato cage.
When not needed they are drained and on the self for decoration..
extra mantles and oil in my preps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw7dUgebWHg

Thanks for that video link... makes a huge difference as to why Alladin is the way to go.  The flat wick is nice,.. but not as much light.

Wow..
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on January 24, 2017, 09:46:10 AM
  Even my propane burner produces a smell when burning and it is clean...I think you may expect too much (or too little odor) and also
that too high a flame leaves more fuel vapor to add to combustion byproducts (in my opinion)
I have a catalytic ,clean burning ,heater and even it smells.

I wouldn't mind a little smell, but I feel like something is off and it is putting out a lot of smell.  Maybe I'll try it again tonight at a lower setting.  FWIW, the smell only bothers me in the bedroom with the door closed (using space heaters for heat currently).  When I have it in the kitchen (more open of an area and better ventilated) I don't notice the smell at all unless I stick my nose over the lamp.  Maybe I'll have to get an Aladdin lamp for bedroom use. 

[Edit] It could also be that these cheap lamps have a very incomplete burn too (the wicks are tiny 1/2" and they only cost $6 at WM).  The smell is very much vaporized paraffin. 

[Edit II] It could also be the quality of the wick based on some more research.  More wick has  been ordered and should be here Thursday. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carl on January 24, 2017, 10:56:37 AM
I wouldn't mind a little smell, but I feel like something is off and it is putting out a lot of smell.  Maybe I'll try it again tonight at a lower setting.  FWIW, the smell only bothers me in the bedroom with the door closed (using space heaters for heat currently).  When I have it in the kitchen (more open of an area and better ventilated) I don't notice the smell at all unless I stick my nose over the lamp.  Maybe I'll have to get an Aladdin lamp for bedroom use. 

[Edit] It could also be that these cheap lamps have a very incomplete burn too (the wicks are tiny 1/2" and they only cost $6 at WM).  The smell is very much vaporized paraffin. 

[Edit II] It could also be the quality of the wick based on some more research.  More wick has  been ordered and should be here Thursday.

You should be most careful using flame heat in a small room or you might wake up dead.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on January 24, 2017, 11:00:12 AM
You should be most careful using flame heat in a small room or you might wake up dead.

I always extinguish any flames before bed.  I'm not a fan of waking up dead, or on fire.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carl on January 24, 2017, 11:23:50 AM
I always extinguish any flames before bed.  I'm not a fan of waking up dead, or on fire.

Good, a CO2 detector might also be a good idea as you will wake up when on fire , but CO2 is sneaky as a Mother In Law.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: xxdabroxx on January 24, 2017, 11:25:56 AM
I need to update all my detectors really.  Maybe I'll add some to my amazon wish list so I order them next payday. 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: endurance on January 30, 2017, 05:52:52 AM
Good, a CO2 detector might also be a good idea as you will wake up when on fire , but CO2 is sneaky as a Mother In Law.
Just to clarify, I assume you mean CO detector, since CO2 is not a significant health or life safety risk inside most homes.

Regarding lanterns, any lantern's output can be improved dramatically by putting them next to a mirror. My first home I owned had two tall candle holders backed by mirrors and those two candles burning alone could light up the entire living room.  I really wish I had taken them with me when I sold that house.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: surfivor on February 01, 2017, 12:43:51 PM
Quote
I assume you mean CO detector, since CO2 is not a significant health or life safety risk inside most homes

 I think some of the CO2 detectors tie back in through the smart meters so they can measure the CO2
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carl on February 01, 2017, 01:04:43 PM
I think some of the CO2 detectors tie back in through the smart meters so they can measure the CO2

You mean even my detectors spy on me? I thought it was just my TV and my internet fridge....
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: surfivor on February 01, 2017, 01:12:22 PM
You mean even my detectors spy on me? I thought it was just my TV and my internet fridge....

 oh, that's a good one yea .. light up a cigarette, marijuana etc .. then the smoke detector will sense it and send it to your health insurance company or whomever it needs to .. Someone must be thinking about how to do that

slightly unrelated:

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Landlord-Admits-Spying-on-Women-With-Cameras-Hidden-in-Smoke-Detectors-203312661.html

A Maryland landlord admitted in court Tuesday to hiding cameras inside smoke detectors in rooms her rented to women.

==========

https://www.amazon.com/Xtreme-Bottom-Smoke-Detector-Camera/dp/B00BRN8GBY

"Install this smoke detector anywhere and forget about it. Rest easy knowing that the hidden camera is ready to record at just the right time. Its lightning quick heat sensor is unmatched in the industry, waking the camera from sleep mode immediately if someone enters the frame. Even in complete darkness, the hidden camera records clear video to the included micro SD card"

============

I KNEW IT ! !

http://extract.suntimes.com/news/10/153/1686/marijuana-smoke-detectors

It’s a new kind of smoke detector designed to know the difference between different types of smoke, according to Digital Trends.

The device uses a “special set of polymer films,” which allows it to detect different types of smoke. If it senses organic compounds found in tobacco or marijuana smoke, it won’t sound the alarm, but it will automatically log a record of the incident.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on February 01, 2017, 04:41:54 PM
Lol. No more smoking dope in the motel room
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: nkawtg on February 01, 2017, 05:30:44 PM
I think some of the CO2 detectors tie back in through the smart meters so they can measure the CO2
I've never hear of that...
hmm
So if I light up a doobie will my smoke detector narc on me?
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: surfivor on February 01, 2017, 05:43:00 PM
I've never hear of that...
hmm
So if I light up a doobie will my smoke detector narc on me?

 I was kidding and implying that your smoke detector will help determine your carbon tax by sensing how much CO2 you exhale  .. but unfortunately it may not be totally far fetched. Maybe if you have more indoor plants you'll get a break .. 

It seems entirely likely that some day when you buy a smoke detector at home depot it will detect whatever it possibly can such as residue that may exist of anything and send it through the smart grid network out as data collection. Maybe it would measure air quality, mold, whether there's a dead mouse someplace, somebody was smoking, the fridge will report if food in the fridge is old etc .. Why would they not want to do that ? All this information has lots of important potential uses no different than all the other data. 



Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Montag 451 on February 12, 2017, 10:20:07 AM
Ok, know this is a lamp thread, but the subject was raised about unvented flame heating of a living space.
I own several kerosene heaters for emergency use, have used them a lot in the past, and have had training on
proper use, and repair of these heaters. They are perfectly safe when used *as directed*, and with adequate ventilation.
Did a little looking around for online information on the subject, here is a pretty good article on Kerosene heaters use...

http://www.iii.org/article/kerosene-heater-safety

A few excerpts from the article regarding Oxygen depletion and Carbon Monoxide production:

"Kerosene heaters consume oxygen as they burn. If they are operated in a small room or in an inadequately ventilated area, oxygen in the air could be reduced to a dangerous level. Reduced oxygen supply could lead to incomplete combustion of fuel and the production of carbon monoxide. Carbon monoxide is a colorless, odorless gas which in sufficient concentrations, or if breathed over a period of time, can kill without warning." 

"The real danger is that misuse of kerosene heaters could replace room oxygen with carbon monoxide and lead to death by asphyxiation.
Therefore, it's important to have adequate ventilation to other rooms, and a source of fresh, outside air such as a window or door open at least one inch whenever you're using a kerosene heater."


This information appllies to *ANY* unvented heating device, be it kerosene, natural gas, propane, unvented gas fireplace, buddy heater, etc, etc...

Not trying to scare anyone out of using these appliances, just want everyone to understand how to properly use them. Read the directions that come with
the appliance. Have a working C.O. detector. Keep the appliance in good condition, and use common sense.

I've been in the HVAC buisness for 30+ years, and have been to many, many homes where I found C.O. present for a great variety of reasons.
Thats my 2 cents lol, and best wishes y'all  8)

 


   



 
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on February 12, 2017, 10:27:04 AM
Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Citizen Zero on March 07, 2017, 09:53:39 PM
Just looked at the lamp oil that I have and it says Paraffin Lamp Oil.  ;D

Do make sure that the fuel is marked "100% Pure" paraffin. The fuel that I stocked up on way back when (before it being $17/gal) was marked very clearly that it was "100% paraffin". The only downfall is that if it is stored in an outbuilding that it will gel faster than diesel when the temps drop, the easy fix is to bring it into the house for a few hours to re-liquify. We have been using paraffin that has been stored in an outbuilding for more than ten years with no problems whatsoever.

For the Aladdin lamps it is the heat that is produced to excite the mantle to produce light (similar to Coleman propane mantle lanterns), not necessarily the flame itself (flame through mantle is bad!). Traditional wick lamps and mantle lamps are two very different animals.

Yes, I'll have to admit the paraffin is expensive, but it works. A single fill of a Genie III fount will provide almost 24 hours of constant light and heat for a room (turned down to half mast even longer), if set right they also burn very cleanly at the same time in high or low.

If you are going to use something like the Aladdin lamps for your preps, use them in normal life as well to make sure that you have a good feeling when it comes to running them. We regularly use them for ambiance even when the power is not out ;-)

Again, just my $.02 ;-)
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: scoob on July 28, 2017, 06:16:23 AM
Also, be mindful that altitude is a consideration for some lamps to run at their best. We're at 4000 ft so we're running the high altitude chimneys.  They're just taller and help create a better draft as I understand it. Not totally sure of the theory behind it,  but our random sooting issues went away after we put the taller chimneys on.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: DrJohn on July 31, 2017, 09:29:18 AM
Check out WT Kirkman.  http://www.lanternnet.com/  I have had excellent service from them.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Bosham on November 09, 2018, 06:52:36 AM
Just be sure to have plenty of cross ventilation !!!!!

Not long after they came out, Suffolk County banned kerosene heaters that became popular back during the 1970's oil crisis, because people bought into the "clean burning" advertising and thought they could use them safely indoors during cold weather. While those kerosene heaters didn't make visible smoke, they still made plenty of carbon monoxide.

We used Aladdins for cabin lights on the boats, and I collected antique kero lamps for many years. However, I stopped using all my kero lamps with oil. Even with ventilation, I'd get head aches from the fumes, which are the early signs of kerosene/lamp oil poisoning.

Another reason I stopped using them was that most of our power outages here happen in winter when opening windows to get good ventilation wastes heat. And in summer, the oil lamps just made the indoors that much hotter.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Ralph on December 14, 2018, 09:57:44 AM
Just a thought, you may want to get a CO detector for safety.  I bought a Big Buddy propane heater a while back.  Using 2 1# cylinders I tested it and no alarm.  When the cylinders were running low the alarm went off..  I do run kero lanterns now and then and the CO alarm has never gone off with those, but that CO alarm is some safety insurance.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carver on December 14, 2018, 11:43:18 AM
I have a dozen lamps and most are filled with lamp oil and it has evaporated in one of them. Why just that one?
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on December 14, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
Strange. No idea
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Redman on December 14, 2018, 07:04:40 PM
I have a dozen lamps and most are filled with lamp oil and it has evaporated in one of them. Why just that one?

Yeah strange. I have several lamps I keep in my garage all filled with oil and several containers of lamp oil. I've never noticed any of them losing oil or getting thick. Are you sure the one had lamp oil in it and not something else?
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carver on December 14, 2018, 07:31:37 PM
Same fuel in all. No evaporation smell, but then we only use odorless paraffin. I'll fill it up and watch it. I wouldn't think the wick would be any different than the others. Sort of makes me think I shouldn't keep them filled, but that makes them useless when you need them.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carver on December 14, 2018, 08:13:08 PM
I just checked all my lamps and this particular one now nearly empty, the wick is dangling clear of the fuel. All the others are topped up. The difference between this lamp and the others is that, all are antiques, this one has a smaller diameter bowl, about 3.5 inches but the reservoir goes down the stem to the base. Standard top, very odd, never tipped over. Just a curiosity. Thanks for the replies.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on December 14, 2018, 08:30:15 PM
Does the reservoir smell like the others?
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carver on December 15, 2018, 07:06:45 AM
Obviously this isn't a crucial situation; the trivial nature of my post is simply that it was my first post and had nothing definite in mind, just wanted to get onboard. Nevertheless the lamp is an oddity. I have been on this forum previously several years ago and terminated my account as it was taking too much of my time. But I think it was here that I learned about lamp oil, all this time I had been using kerosene in both the outdoor lanterns and the indoor lamps. Wife couldn't allow them for the smell, but now with lamp oil all is good. So, thanks.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on December 16, 2018, 12:02:24 PM
 8)
Understand the not critical, but it is odd.
We keep a older dietz hanging on the back porch, behind the door on a hook.
I keep it mostly full of lamp oil, and it has a dab of kero also. Often when I come in, I can slightly smell kero. The combination oil/kero seems to creep out of the top by the lower wick portion, just keeping it damp.
Not sure why, as it's not that full, overflowing, nor too full.

I'm wondering if it does get on the outside of a lamp, that it does truly evaporate in time.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carver on December 16, 2018, 05:06:01 PM
Gives me an idea, I should retract the wick out of the fuel and see if that halts the evaporation. Of course that would mean to light it would take some time for the wick to absorb fuel after admitting it back into the fuel.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on December 16, 2018, 05:08:48 PM
Yes. A couple of minutes though?
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carver on December 16, 2018, 09:30:32 PM
Well gee whiz, then I have to do all that stuff to light it! All I have to do to get light from my flashlight is to push a button!
I’d have a rough time in the 19th century.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Redman on December 17, 2018, 05:53:34 AM
Following along here. Out of curiosity I did a little search and came up with this.

http://www.redhillgeneralstore.com/Oil-Lamp-Parts/Lantern-Oil.htm#Does-Lamp-Oil-Evaporate

Seems lamp oil does evaporate but more slowly than kerosene or paraffin oil. There is a lot of good information in the link. I have on hand two of the approved oils mentioned in Table 2 in the link. One of them I had for 30/40 years, the Lamplight Farm oil and other, the MVP Group Florascense I bought within the last year. Both burn fine and have no apparent evaporation. Also no smell or smoke when burning, they will smoke if you turn the wick up high enough. BTW I leave the lamp wicks in the oil at all times. No special reason, I not heard before of raising them out of the oil when not in use but that might best apply to fuel that evaporate faster than lamp oil.

Also of interest, this place has the best prices on lanterns that I've seen.

Still no clue why Carver's one lamp is losing fuel. Putting this out as an FYI.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Carver on December 17, 2018, 06:02:25 AM
Thanks! I will take a photo of it and post it.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: N8TV Whisker Biscuit on April 15, 2019, 04:20:25 PM
K lamps good idea to have around as back ups or daily. Affordable source. Just like the good ol days.
Title: Re: Kerosene Lamp info wanted please
Post by: Stwood on April 15, 2019, 08:43:02 PM
Yes. I'm up to 5 now.  ::)