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Title: Hurricane Maria
Post by: chad on September 16, 2017, 10:18:33 AM
PTC 15  (maria) could kick off her training wheels soon.
Title: Re: Heads up...PTC 15 might become maria.
Post by: Cedar on September 16, 2017, 10:35:29 AM
We are up to "M" already? What happens is there is one past "Z"? Has it ever happened before?

Cedar
Title: Re: Heads up...PTC 15 might become maria.
Post by: chad on September 16, 2017, 10:46:16 AM
We are up to "M" already? What happens is there is one past "Z"? Has it ever happened before?

Cedar

Not sure cedar..I think MS had it right, that eclipse marked the beginning of the end :-\
Title: Re: Heads up...PTC 15 might become maria.
Post by: Alan Georges on September 16, 2017, 05:21:49 PM
Yep, it's Maria now.  Predicted track is similar to Irma's, but starting a little southward and angling a little more northward.  Again, it warrants watching, but there's little to do right now.

What happens is there is one past "Z"? Has it ever happened before?
2005.  (well yeah. 2005 was a special kind of storm year)  Went into overtime using Greek letters.  Got up through zeta, the 6th letter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season)
Title: Re: Heads up...PTC 15 might become maria.
Post by: Polar Bear on September 16, 2017, 06:33:29 PM
Yep.  I'm keeping an eye one her. 

One year we got all the way to "W".  Hurricane Wilma.
Title: Re: Heads up...PTC 15 might become maria.
Post by: RitaRose1945 on September 16, 2017, 06:56:46 PM
 :knitting:
Title: Re: Heads up...PTC 15 might become maria.
Post by: Cedar on September 16, 2017, 09:33:17 PM
- Maria is expected to gain strength through the weekend and become a hurricane by late Monday, forecasters said.

Cedar
Title: Re: Heads up...PTC 15 might become maria.
Post by: Redman on September 17, 2017, 03:56:21 AM
Ugh, here we go again.
Title: Re: Heads up...PTC 15 might become maria.
Post by: Cedar on September 18, 2017, 05:43:48 PM
Hurricane Maria has strengthened to an "extremely dangerous" category four storm, US forecasters say, as it bears down on islands in the Caribbean.

It is due to hit the Leeward Islands, which include the US and British Virgin islands, in the coming hours.
Maria is moving roughly along the same path as Irma.

If you want to hear the ham radio operators during hurricane Irma
 check the LIVE STREAMING AUDIO on the top right of the Hurricane Watch Net page. It should work OK during activation and the hurricane
https://www.hwn.org/

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 18, 2017, 05:54:17 PM

WTNT45 KNHC 182048
TCDAT5

Hurricane Maria Discussion Number  10
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL152017
500 PM AST Mon Sep 18 2017

Maria is developing the dreaded pinhole eye.  The last reports from
an Air Force Reserve Hurricane Hunter aircraft and radar data from
Martinique indicated an eye with a diameter of about 8-10 n mi, and
this featured has recently become better defined in visible and
infrared satellite imagery.  The aircraft data supported an
intensity of 105-110 kt back at 18Z, and all indications are that
rapid intensification is continuing.  Thus, the initial intensity
is increased to 115 kt.  Another Hurricane Hunter aircraft is
schedule to arrive in Maria about 2330Z, and it is distinctly
possible that it will find a higher intensity than 115 kt.

After an excursion to the left overnight, Maria has resumed a
motion of 290-295 degrees at about 8 kt, and the short-term motion
may be even farther to the right.  A weak subtropical ridge to the
north of the hurricane should steer it generally west-northwestward
for the next three days, with the center crossing the Leeward
Islands near Dominica during the next few hours.  This is expected
to be followed by a track across the northeastern Caribbean to near
the Virgin Islands, then followed by a passage over or near Puerto
Rico around the 48 h point.  Once north of Puerto Rico, the
hurricane should gradually turn toward the northwest and
north-northwest as it approaches a weakness in the ridge.  The track
guidance is tightly clustered through 120 h, and the new forecast
track is an update of the previous forecast that lies a little to
the south of the various consensus models.

Atmospheric and oceanic conditions appear favorable for additional
rapid strengthening for the next 24 h and possibly longer.  The
intensity forecast, which is at or above the upper edge of the
guidance, now calls for Maria to reach a peak intensity of 135 kt
in about 24 h, and it is possible that the hurricane could reach
category 5 status.  Later in the forecast period, land interaction
and less favorable upper-level winds are expected to cause some
weakening.  On top of these general trends, there is also the
possibility that eyewall replacement cycles could occur that would
affect the intensity.  However, Maria is likely to remain an
extremely dangerous major hurricane through the forecast period.

It should be noted that the despite the great intensity of Maria,
the hurricane force winds are currently confined to a small area
near the eye.  The radii forecast assumes that the 64-kt radii will
not expand significantly during the next 36 h.  However, if an
eyewall replacement cycle occurs, the hurricane-force winds could
expand to an area larger than forecast.

If radar data from the eastern Caribbean is regularly available,
Tropical Cyclone Updates may be issued this evening.

KEY MESSAGES:

1. Maria will affect portions of the Leeward Islands and the British
and U.S. Virgin Islands as an extremely dangerous major hurricane
during the next couple of days, and hurricane warnings are in effect
for many of these islands.

2. Maria is likely to affect Puerto Rico as an extremely dangerous
major hurricane, and a hurricane warning has been issued for that
island.

3. The potential for a life-threatening storm surge, accompanied by
large and destructive waves, has increased for the Leeward Islands,
the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.

4. Life-threatening flash floods and mudslides from heavy rainfall
are expected across the Leeward Islands, including Puerto Rico and
the U.S. and British Virgin Islands.

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Polar Bear on September 18, 2017, 07:37:31 PM
This is not needed.  My prayers and thoughts go out to those in the path.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 18, 2017, 10:25:09 PM
-Maria, now a Category 5 storm, made landfall on Dominica late Monday, coming ashore at 9:15 p.m. ET. It was so powerful that it tore the roof off the residence of the country's leader at 160mph

Puerto Rico is next.
Puerto Rico sheltered many of the evacuees who fled Hurricane Irma's wrath in other Caribbean islands. Now those evacuees and native Puerto Ricans are bracing for another powerful hurricane.

(https://twitter.com/NWSIndianapolis/status/909931134741569536/photo/1)

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Alan Georges on September 19, 2017, 06:50:19 AM
Two (so far) major hurricanes in one year may re-shape how the Caribbean is settled.  If we see a repeat of this next year it could really change things up.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 19, 2017, 06:57:44 AM
Two (so far) major hurricanes in one year may re-shape how the Caribbean is settled.  If we see a repeat of this next year it could really change things up.

One island, Barbuda I think, has no one living on it for the first time in 300 years, since around 1717.

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: chad on September 19, 2017, 02:03:11 PM
I found a good live stream with sound, 3 chasers in Puerto Rico.

https://livestormchasing.com/map
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 19, 2017, 05:01:06 PM
I found a good live stream with sound, 3 chasers in Puerto Rico.

https://livestormchasing.com/map

That is one of my fav sites when I have a real computer.

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 20, 2017, 08:03:17 AM
Puerto Rico hit with 155mph winds. Power might be out for months.

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: FreeLancer on September 22, 2017, 04:26:36 PM
70,000 in Puerto Rico urged to evacuate, as dam is in imminent danger of failure.

Officials have urged residents in a western section of the island to flee for higher ground as the Guajataca Dam is failing and could burst. A dam failure could send a massive amount of water toward coastal areas along the Guajataca River, which flows north toward the ocean from a large inland lake.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Morning Sunshine on September 22, 2017, 05:35:28 PM
My husbands best friend lives in PR with his family.  They went dark on Wednesday and we heard this morning that they have a river down their road.  They have tickets out on October 3 (bought months ago for a family wedding) so they will be out soon.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on September 22, 2017, 06:03:26 PM
  For any interested these frequencies are seeing heavy use.The frequencies are handling logistics and health and welfare traffic

With the passage of Hurricane Irma, radio amateurs in the Eastern Caribbean have been extremely busy passing information into and out of the affected area, Eric Mackie, 9Z4CP, told ARRL.

“The Caribbean Emergency and Weather Net (CEWN) has been facilitating this exercise,” Mackie said. “We have however, been experiencing interference from stateside stations from time to time.”

Mackie said the CEWN is asking radio amateurs not involved in the hurricane response to avoid 7.162 MHz(USB), 7,188 MHz(USB), and 3.815 MHz (LSB). He said these frequencies may be operational “at any time.”
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Morning Sunshine on September 22, 2017, 06:09:05 PM
My husbands best friend lives in PR with his family.  They went dark on Wednesday and we heard this morning that they have a river down their road.  They have tickets out on October 3 (bought months ago for a family wedding) so they will be out soon.

just talked to my husband.  He said that J and family have tickets for Sunday 24, if the airport is open by then.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on September 22, 2017, 06:17:10 PM
just talked to my husband.  He said that J and family have tickets for Sunday 24, if the airport is open by then.

PR airport is being used for relief traffic and should return to 'normal' within 2 weeks I have heard on the shortwave a day or so ago.
More reliable power for radar,radios etc as passengers require better stability than currently available ( my best estimate)
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Chemsoldier on September 25, 2017, 07:05:42 AM
Puerto Rico is in really bad shape. 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/09/24/hurricane-maria-set-puerto-rico-back-decades/c7LEoBu45Z4YVKxrNjn61J/story.html

The conditions there may result in a fair amount of residual casualties, the elderly and those on maintenance medications, temperature sensitive populations like the aged and very young.  Also, if there is not remedial action there may simply be large, permanent movement of people to CONUS just as New Orleans lost a lot of population permanently.

This may be the kind of thing the military is well suited for, large base of physically fit workers with portable infrastructure.  Specialized units including prime power companies, reverse osmosis water purification Units, portable hospitals with their own generators and climate control.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 26, 2017, 02:02:13 PM
Today:
Puerto Rico's Governor Ricardo Rossello said Monday he fears a "humanitarian crisis" on the island if the United States does not take "swift action" to help the US territory, which was devastated by deadly Hurricane Maria last week.
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/world/2017-09-26-puerto-rico-governor-fears-humanitarian-crisis-over-slow-us-aid/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/25/why-puerto-rico-could-be-a-trump-blind-spot/

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Morning Sunshine on September 26, 2017, 02:29:19 PM
just talked to my husband.  He said that J and family have tickets for Sunday 24, if the airport is open by then.

The arrived in Utah late last night.  whew.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on September 26, 2017, 02:33:21 PM
The arrived in Utah late last night.  whew.

Good to hear the made it.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Chemsoldier on September 26, 2017, 03:03:44 PM
2,600 troops are conducting various operations in Puerto Rico including USS Kearsarge and 8 UH-60s Blackhawks from Fort Campbell in addition to Puerto Rico's contingent of the Army National Guard. 

https://www.stripes.com/news/military-conducting-multiple-operations-to-help-hurricane-maria-struck-puerto-rico-virgin-islands-1.489496#.Wcq5Z7AUlCx

Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Chemsoldier on September 26, 2017, 07:46:53 PM
The hospital ship USNS Comfort will be heading to Puerto Rico.

 http://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2017/09/26/hospital-ship-comfort-heading-to-puerto-rico/
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Alan Georges on September 26, 2017, 08:39:38 PM
The Red Cross and ARRL are looking for 50 volunteer hams to fly down and handle emergency traffic for three weeks: http://www.arrl.org/news/american-red-cross-asks-arrl-s-assistance-with-puerto-rico-relief-effort (http://www.arrl.org/news/american-red-cross-asks-arrl-s-assistance-with-puerto-rico-relief-effort)  It'll be interesting to see how the RC performs in organizing a big cross-organization effort like this.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: RitaRose1945 on September 26, 2017, 08:41:14 PM
The Red Cross and ARRL are looking for 50 volunteer hams to fly down and handle emergency traffic for three weeks: http://www.arrl.org/news/american-red-cross-asks-arrl-s-assistance-with-puerto-rico-relief-effort (http://www.arrl.org/news/american-red-cross-asks-arrl-s-assistance-with-puerto-rico-relief-effort)  It'll be interesting to see how the RC performs in organizing a big cross-organization effort like this.

I'm only a Tech, so I'm out, but it would be nice to be on the ground and helping.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Alan Georges on September 26, 2017, 09:53:09 PM
Yes it would, Rita.  I can't take that kind of time off work these days, but when things settle down in a few years, who knows?  (Of course, this kind of thing is just as likely to happen in my own back yard, so then I could skip the whole travel part.  How... convenient. :P)
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 27, 2017, 08:00:42 AM
After a week of misery, millions of Puerto Ricans are still suffering in primitive conditions without power, water or enough fuel. About 97% of the island's 3.4 million residents are still in the dark Wednesday, one week after Hurricane Maria slammed into the Puerto Rico, Gov. Ricardo Rosselló said. About half of the residents do not have running water.

And there's nowhere enough food to go around. In the town of Utuado, Lydia Rivera has started to ration crackers and drink rainwater to keep her two grandchildren alive.
://lite.cnn.io/en/article/h_ec2650ae44b39eab44ce917833dea821

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 27, 2017, 09:52:59 PM
The Jones Act is an obscure, century-old law that requires all goods ferried between U.S. ports to be carried on ships built, owned and operated by Americans. Trump has not waived the rule, though he said Wednesday that he is "thinking about" it. He noted the shipping industry opposes a waiver.

Trump did suspend the law after Hurricanes Harvey and Irma, which struck Texas and Florida, to allow ships to move gas from the north while refineries and pipelines in the south were shut down. But thus far he has not waived it for Puerto Ri

Cedar.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: LVWood on September 28, 2017, 08:33:45 AM
I heard this morning the Jones act has been waived for at least two weeks.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 28, 2017, 08:51:41 AM
I heard this morning the Jones act has been waived for at least two weeks.

Yep it did. Not sure of the expiration date though. But why was it over a week to do this for Puerto Rico, and 24 hrs for Texas and Florida?

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on September 28, 2017, 09:57:27 AM
Yep it did. Not sure of the expiration date though. But why was it over a week to do this for Puerto Rico, and 24 hrs for Texas and Florida?

Cedar

Because Texas was closer and has electoral college votes and Puerto Rico does not ?
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: bigbear on September 28, 2017, 12:43:58 PM
I heard this morning the Jones act has been waived for at least two weeks.

A little more on the Jones Act...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/28/trump-just-lifted-shipping-restrictions-for-puerto-rico-but-the-real-challenge-just-started/?utm_term=.96067c6e44da

Is the answer to the delay question directly related to a campaign promise? 

Quote
“The Jones Act is very important to our company and America’s shipping industry,” he said. “If America wants to have seafarers, the Jones Act is essential. Otherwise, the jobs would go offshore like they’ve done in so many industries.”

Quote
Crowley said that waiving the Jones Act for Florida after Hurricane Irma hit there did little other than give some business to foreign flag vessels.

An Atlantic article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/jones-act-waiver-puerto-rico-trump/541398/

The real reason it was lifted for Harvey and Irma: petrodollars.
Quote
The government issued a short-term Jones Act waiver after Harvey and Irma, but initially hesitated after Maria. It said the earlier waiver was necessary because without tankers of fuel reaching the Gulf Coast, gas prices would have skyrocketed.

Ultimately here's where the Atlantic seems to land:
Quote
But the president seems to have bowed to the political reality that issuing a waiver was politically popular. The problem facing mainland politicians is that there is a great deal of public pressure to show effort to help Puerto Rico, even as many of the steps under consideration don’t have clear, immediate impacts. The result has been a steady flow of arguments that Trump waive the Jones Act, often with little explanation of what immediate impact the step would have.

Quote
The Jones Act is a classic protectionist law, put in place to prop up the American maritime industry. That makes it appealing to politicians like Trump, who were elected in part on promises of protectionism...  For those fighting to dismantle the act, especially, the disaster in Puerto Rico offers a rare opportunity for political change.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Morning Sunshine on September 28, 2017, 06:13:23 PM
Yep it did. Not sure of the expiration date though. But why was it over a week to do this for Puerto Rico, and 24 hrs for Texas and Florida?

Cedar

this article from the WSJ makes it sound like getting supplies TO the island is not an issue.  https://www.wsj.com/articles/puerto-rico-port-reopens-but-relief-distribution-remains-slow-1506446137

Quote
Authorities have reopened Puerto Rico’s biggest port but say efforts to speed relief supplies to the island devastated by Hurricane Maria are being hampered by heavy damage to roads, computer systems and other critical infrastructure.

Cargo ships carrying supplies from the mainland U.S. began arriving at San Juan’s port on Saturday. But distribution of water, food and temporary shelter is building slowly, federal officials and private companies taking part in the relief efforts said, with thousands of shipping containers waiting for transport at the port.

the boats with supplies are there.  The problem is 1) ports damaged 2) machines needed to offload the supplies from the boats were damaged 3) roads and trucks are inoperable meaning that even when the stuff is unloaded from the boats, it cannot go far from the ports, leaving the inland areas without supplies.

Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: RitaRose1945 on September 28, 2017, 07:29:19 PM
Royal Caribbean Cancels Cruise to Help Hurricane Maria Victims (http://www.ebony.com/news-views/royal-caribbean-cancels-cruise-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-victims#axzz4u1jKu7Ji)


Quote
Royal Caribbean has cancelled one its scheduled cruises to aid a devastated Puerto Rico in the wake of Hurricane Maria, which hit the island last week.

On Tuesday, the cruise line declared it was cancelling the September 30 leg of the Adventures of the Seas trip. The ship is capable of holding 3,800 people.

The vessel arrived in the Puerto Rican capital, San Juan, on Wednesday and will take stranded residents to Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

The ship will also head to St. Croix and St. Thomas to deliver water, medical supplies and other items. Both U.S. Virgin Islands were hit by Hurricanes Maria and Irma. The Royal Caribbean ship will return to Puerto Rico next week.

Other cruise lines, such as Norweigan and Carnival, are also providing aid.

Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Ms. Albatross on September 28, 2017, 07:37:36 PM
3) roads and trucks are inoperable meaning that even when the stuff is unloaded from the boats, it cannot go far from the ports, leaving the inland areas without supplies.

I saw this picture on Facebook of a road in Puerto Rico.

(https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21766726_1965998340320822_5763243298014676897_n.jpg?oh=45615d579b4b5665d515c79f7ee5fe60&oe=5A53D908)
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 28, 2017, 08:25:04 PM
If they can drop elephants from planes, why can't they drop supplies to these areas? There is over 9,800 shipping containers being held up until today? Huge helicopters? Columbia helicopter has huge double blade helis to move heavy payloads, they can't be the only company that does this.

Cedar

Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: RitaRose1945 on September 28, 2017, 08:44:07 PM
My boss did hear from her mom, and they are safe with only a little damage to the roof of their home.

No power yet, and they probably won't have it for months, but there was a portable cell tower (and a generator, I believe) set up in a nearby town so that people could use their phones and let family know they were okay.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on September 29, 2017, 11:49:03 AM
More information of the PR problems. Video/news report is well worth watching.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/27/us/puerto-rico-maria-ham-radio-operators-trnd/index.html?utm_campaign=Revue%20newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Ham%20Radio%20360%20Update%20from%20K4CDN

And Ham radio got their fifty volunteers to aide PR in less than 24 hours....Real Heros.

 http://www.arrl.org/news/view/amateur-radio-s-force-of-fifty-answers-the-red-cross-call-in-puerto-rico?utm_campaign=Revue%20newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Ham%20Radio%20360%20Update%20from%20K4CDN
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on September 29, 2017, 01:30:20 PM
  San Juan mayor not happy:Outraged San Juan mayor tears into Trump admin over Puerto Rico comments: ‘Not a good news story’

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/09/29/outraged-san-juan-mayor-tears-into-trump-admin-over-puerto-rico-comments-not-a-good-news-story/
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Chemsoldier on September 29, 2017, 01:36:48 PM
If they can drop elephants from planes, why can't they drop supplies to these areas? There is over 9,800 shipping containers being held up until today? Huge helicopters? Columbia helicopter has huge double blade helis to move heavy payloads, they can't be the only company that does this.

Cedar
There are a lot of variables in using aerial delivery.  First of all, the ramp space in PR is probably handling cargo like crazy.  So configuring equipment for heavy drop (fixed wing parachute drops) on the island is probably gonna be hard.  You could drop supplies from CONUS, but then the supplies already in PR are not available for putting in the bundles and pallets being rigged stateside.  Also, some one needs to control the drop zone, which is a really big field to ensure people and structures are not squished.  Its really frustrating when an area has one intact building an a 6,000 pound pallet lands on it at 25 feet per second.  So you need to validate where it needs to go, the location, verified that it can receive it and put a controller on the ground that can talk to the aircraft.

For helo, you have more consideration.  Truly large helicopters don't travel well and preferably move long distances by ship.  The military could get helos on the island using other means.  They could use a carrier as a Lilly pad partway between the mainland and Puerto Rico (though I am not sure they can do it with only one refueling hop, I don't know enough about the ranges).  Only a handful of helos can mid-air refuel (and some are already there), so it is not a valid solution.  Finally, some helos can be moved inside a fixed wing aircraft like a C-17 or C-5.  However, you are now competing with relief supplies for space on the fixed wing.  Also, if we move say and Army aviation brigade to the island it will take a huge amount of aircraft space and those aircraft will consume an EPIC amount of fuel.

All these issues can be worked through, but it takes time and effort.  It is definitely not simple. 
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 29, 2017, 01:41:16 PM
Thanks Chem +1

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Alan Georges on September 29, 2017, 05:14:27 PM
Thanks for the knowledgeable word, Chem.

Here's a brief look at the medical situation in PR, now that the power's been out two weeks: https://www.wired.com/story/puerto-ricos-slow-motion-medical-disaster/ (https://www.wired.com/story/puerto-ricos-slow-motion-medical-disaster/)
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on September 30, 2017, 06:35:04 AM
   President Trump responds to San Juans mayor: (excerpt from twitter messages)

The Mayor of San Juan, who was very complimentary only a few days ago, has now been told by the Democrats that you must be nasty to Trump.
...Such poor leadership ability by the Mayor of San Juan, and others in Puerto Rico, who are not able to get their workers to help. They....
...want everything to be done for them when it should be a community effort. 10,000 Federal workers now on Island doing a fantastic job.
The military and first responders, despite no electric, roads, phones etc., have done an amazing job. Puerto Rico was totally destroyed.
I will be going to Puerto Rico on Tuesday with Melania. Will hopefully be able to stop at the U.S. Virgin Islands (people working hard).

Link to story:

 http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/09/30/trump-responds-to-san-juan-mayor-after-she-excoriates-him-for-government-response-in-puerto-rico/
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: RitaRose1945 on September 30, 2017, 07:22:00 AM
Ugh.  Trump seriously needs to stop tweeting.

It's just so embarrassing.

Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on September 30, 2017, 08:38:27 AM
Ugh.  Trump seriously needs to stop tweeting.

It's just so embarrassing.

The mayor is under a strain and expect 'instant' action and that can not happen even in Louisiana ,Texas,Florida,New Jersey ,or Mississippi in past and resent history and the supplies were in short supply plus the logistics of getting over 10,000 men and supplies made for some delay as even the airport was non usable for 4 days after the storm. Things with government just do not happen instantly but with or without Pres Trump being there (what can he do anyway?) the level of response was far better than past storms and surprised me with how thin services are stretched with the area of Texas and Florida already being address with supply and recovery personnel.

  The Pres would be better to address LIVE the nation and say that we have moved as fast as we can what men and supplies as were available and a large number of the men and supplies were rerouted from the damage control in the gulf region of the US. The logistics of such a move are enormous.
Few people realize the effort of personnel to help Puerto Rico while our relief effort continues within US states.The response began before the storm hit and yet people want to fault the President.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on September 30, 2017, 09:46:00 AM
At 20 days post-Maria:
- more Puerto Ricans got water and rationed food on Friday as an aid bottleneck began to ease.

- Telecommunications are back for about 30 per cent of the island, nearly half of the supermarkets have reopened, at least for reduced hours, and about 60 per cent of the petrol stations are pumping.

- remain desperate for necessities, most urgently water, 10 days after the September 20 hurricane.

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on September 30, 2017, 11:14:22 AM
  That is fast work,under the circumstances...it took aide and food/water over 12 days to reach many areas after Katrina hit the gulf coast and wiped out many towns that never made the new as they were all busy in New Orleans. And a look on Google Earth will show much of the area has yet to be rebuilt there and even in New Jersey. Sayin' it and doin' it are just not the same thing.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: RitaRose1945 on September 30, 2017, 12:25:54 PM
I talked to my son today, and he said there's a chance he might be deployed to Puerto Rico.

Fine with me.  It's better than a lot of other places he could go, and they could use the help.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Chemsoldier on September 30, 2017, 04:00:08 PM
An interview with a Puerto Rican, air force full bird who is working the relief effort. His take is that it is a massive distribution problem.

 http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59ce5906e4b0f3c468060dee
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on September 30, 2017, 04:42:44 PM
An interview with a Puerto Rican, air force full bird who is working the relief effort. His take is that it is a massive distribution problem.

 http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59ce5906e4b0f3c468060dee

Sounds like the mayor should stop complaining and encourage people to work on temporary road repair,
so food and fuel can move and drivers can move the trucks to areas in need. They do report 30 to 40 % power is
restored and 30% plus cell coverage with some portable and some repaired towers, but is is a big mess.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Chemsoldier on September 30, 2017, 04:59:04 PM
The US Wasp, an amphibious assault ship with a large contingent of helicopters, is enroute. That is a distribution solution. It carries a LOT of fuel and the maintenance for its aircraft and has housing for all its personnel. Good solution, though it has to steam all the way there.

 http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/09/30/pentagon-adds-uss-wasp-to-puerto-rico-hurricane-response.html
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2017, 04:40:36 AM
  After all the complaining from one mayor,we hear a different view of US response to Maria devastation:

Puerto Rican mayor reveals truth behind San Juan mayor’s attack on Trump — and it explains a lot

The mayor of a city that directly borders San Juan, Puerto Rico, is casting doubt on the claims of San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz, who directly criticized Trump’s administration on Friday for not efficiently helping the island after a powerful hurricane devastated it.

What did Yulín Cruz allege?
Yulín Cruz, a Democrat, has alleged in numerous interviews that the federal government has not done enough to support Puerto Rico in the wake of the hurricane. She even claimed that “we are going to see is something close to a genocide” if Trump and government agencies didn’t do more to help.

What others say?
However, many other top Puerto Rican politicians, including Gov. Ricardo Rossello, have been very complimentary of the government’s efforts to provide aid. One mayor in particular, Guaynabo’s Angel Perez, is speaking out directly against Yulín Cruz and her claims that the government isn’t doing enough to help.

In an interview with the Daily Caller, Perez said that his experience with the government has been much different than his counterpart’s:


My experience is different. I have been participating in different meetings at the headquarters of FEMA and our government and the help is coming in and right now my experience is different from hers. I’m receiving help from the government, we are receiving assistance from FEMA, I got people over here helping us with applications for the people that have damage in their houses. And we have here in Guaynabo, we have thousands of people that lost partially or totally their houses.
When asked about Yulín Cruz’s “genocide” comment, Perez took his criticism a step further and revealed that Yulín Cruz has been absent in many meetings with FEMA and other agencies. He said:

I don’t know why she is saying that. What I can tell you is my experience. She is not participating in any meetings and we had a couple already with the governors and with representation of FEMA and of HUD, of these whole federal agencies that have given us help and she’s not participating in those meetings and some mayors from her political party have been participating, so I don’t know why she is saying that. My experience is very different.
“Some [mayors] would like the help to be faster but we also know that FEMA is dealing with what happened in Houston and in Florida and now in Puerto Rico,” Perez said.
  I enlarged for emphasis...Carl

More at link:

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10/01/puerto-rican-mayor-reveals-truth-behind-san-juan-mayors-attack-on-trump-and-it-explains-a-lot/

And Hillary Clinton had to get involved also:

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/09/30/benghazi-hero-shuts-down-hillary-clinton-with-fiery-response-after-she-urges-trump-to-send-aid-to-pr/
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on October 02, 2017, 07:28:14 AM
  After all the complaining from one mayor,we hear a different view of US response to Maria devastation:

There is a guy who has done this before, and has his boots on the ground in Puerto Rico...

The retired lieutenant general who righted the recovery response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005 slammed Trump’s administration over the humanitarian crisis left by Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico.
“That’s bullshit,” Russel Honoré said of what he’s observed of the relief effort thus far. “This bureaucratic response is not working. With all due respect to the White House, they’re trying to put lipstick on this pig, but this thing is moving too slow.".

Honoré criticized Trump for failing to give officials policy guidance fast enough and early enough in the week.
“When we should have been moving the military last Saturday, the president was out playing golf and Twittering,” Honoré said.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russel_L._Honor%C3%A9
 He is best known for serving as commander of Joint Task Force Katrina responsible for coordinating military relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina-affected areas across the Gulf Coast.  Honoré's arrival in New Orleans came after what was widely believed to be a poor performance by the state and local agencies and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and its director Michael D. Brown. He gained media celebrity and accolades for his apparent turning around of the situation in the city.

Honoré criticized the Trump administration's response to the crisis, saying it demanded a greater and more rapid response, with a larger commitment of U.S. troops to provide emergency assistance. He told reporters,  "The president has shown again he don't give a damn about poor people. He doesn't give a damn about people of color."

Cedar

Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2017, 07:55:13 AM
  The US response began the very night of the storm,even while FEMA etc were working from Florida to Texas already. The logistics of getting the food/water/hardware to an island required ships  and aircraft that were delayed(aircraft) due to the airport being damaged and closed. President Trump started the process the night of the storm,the delays were not due to his administrations action but the logistics of moving that much men and equipment to an area with extremely limited access as few roads were open to any traffic and few trucks and heavy equipment even had fuel to run. Lack of PR preparation as in stored fuel,water,food was the major cause of the lack of distribution of men and materials. It was not the presidents sole job to physically carry all the supplies himself.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-government-responded-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/story?id=50152714
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on October 02, 2017, 08:18:16 AM
  Lack of PR preparation as in stored fuel,water,food was the major cause of the lack of distribution of men and materials.

95% of the island is flattened. I would think their preps would have sailed out to see. I looked, and have seen no word of lack of Puerto Rico preps, other than what is being said by the Trump admin.

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2017, 08:40:43 AM
Here is a good look at Puerto Rico:

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/9/26/16365994/hurricane-maria-2017-puerto-rico-san-juan-humanitarian-disaster-electricty-fuel-flights-facts
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Chemsoldier on October 02, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
The truth burns sometimes.

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2017/10/pepperidge-farm-remembers.html

Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: chad on October 02, 2017, 06:26:26 PM
The truth burns sometimes.

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2017/10/pepperidge-farm-remembers.html


Wait what...FEMA's "not" buildings death camps.....somebody get on the horn to Alex Jones.... :sarcasm:
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: FreeLancer on October 02, 2017, 07:57:23 PM
The truth burns sometimes.

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2017/10/pepperidge-farm-remembers.html

Funny how that works......
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Alan Georges on October 02, 2017, 08:19:52 PM
Good article Carl, thanks.

Even under the best of circumstances – say, if they had an eight lane bridge to Miami – it would be difficult to get help and resources in to PR fast enough.  It's bad now, but its only going to get worse.  This kind of devastation and recovery effort wears people down.  Watch for escalating drama in a couple of months.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: FreeLancer on October 04, 2017, 08:17:54 PM
Washington Post opinion piece:  A Narcissist’s Guide to Helping Others Understand It Is All About You (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-narcissists-guide-to-helping-others-understand-it-is-all-about-you/2017/10/04/fc2b5e84-a944-11e7-850e-2bdd1236be5d_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-e%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.4a198f0cb937)

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Natural disasters and their man-made counterparts (mass shootings, terrorist attacks) pose an obvious challenge for those living the Me-Driven Life. These events are frustrating, and inconvenient, because they tend to cause those people to think about their own problems: their injuries, the loss of loved ones, their hunger, thirst, discomfort, life-threatening cholera, what have you.

This is a common character flaw, and it is harmful because it distracts them from their more pressing obligation to think about you.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on October 12, 2017, 01:10:08 AM
Puerto Rico is still 85% without power. Death toll to 43.
https://theintercept.com/2017/10/11/puerto-rico-relief-bill-cancels-16-billion-in-debt-but-not-for-puerto-rico/

Cedar


Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 12, 2017, 02:32:20 AM
Here’s the San Juan mayor’s vulgar response to her exchanges with Trump
“This isn’t about me or politics. I’m not going to be the face you see out there just giving you a box of food for the photo op. I’m the face of the person who is going to make sure somebody gets that to you … so like the last scene of Gone With the Wind — ‘Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn.'”

My comment: She is a Democrat and an obvious Trump Hater,and her story does not agree with Mayors from other cities in Puerto Rico and she was absent from FEMAs organizational relief organizational meetings causing disruption of food and materials distributional to the very citizens who are her responsibility to assist. SHE is a major part of the problem

LINKhttp://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10/11/heres-the-san-juan-mayors-vulgar-response-to-her-exchanges-with-trump/


FEMA administrator sets the record straight for critics of Trump’s Puerto Rico response

Political conflict. “Politics between Republicans and Democrats is bad enough, but in Puerto Rico, politics is even worse in many cases,” Long said.
Lack of unity. “When you can’t get elected officials at the local level to come to a joint field office because they disagree with the politics of the governor that’s there, it makes things difficult and the information fragmented,” Long said.

Collapse of communications. “It’s like getting all the leadership in a warehouse and you turn off the lights and the communications, and tell them, all right, get it fixed,” said Brig. Gen. Jose Reyes of the Puerto Rican National Guard.

First responders hindered. “A large portion of local workers as well as state workers were disaster victims. We had to play a greater first responder role than typically we would on the continental United States. We’re not really designed to do that in many cases, speaking honestly,” Long said.

My comment: Just as many Trump Haters  ,this mayor in simply not acting on the behalf of the many that depend on her but is hindering FEMAs efforts to support those in her area. She is too BLAME for the slow relief efforts as personally described to me over Ham radio by Ham operators in Puerto Rico and most people have very negative comments even when politics are generally not part of Ham discussion that is allowed.


http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10/10/fema-administrator-sets-the-record-straight-for-critics-of-trumps-puerto-rico-response/

Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: NWPilgrim on October 12, 2017, 05:34:56 AM
Oft times third world places are that way because they refuse to accept the ways of life that enable other locations to become first world civilized.  It is always about, Life has been so unfair to them, they never had a chance, etc.  Sure, there have been many injustices all over the world.  But every first world location also endured their own savage trails.  The difference is that they eventually adopted a code of behavior that ALLOWED progress to be made, for infrastructure to be built and maintained, etc.  One of those factors is to quit bellyaching and dig in and do something yourself about your own problem.  Playing the victim card in the middle of  your area's worst disaster in memory is not "doing something", it is sitting on your ass complaining and even obstructing others who are trying to help.

If the people of San Jose are happy with the mayor's "leadership" then they deserve what ever befalls them from the delays.  If they aren't, they need to push her aside and have someone who wants to help and cooperate get out there for them and make things happen.

I've seen numerous examples of nice houses or apartments being rented to people used to poverty and unclean conditions.  More times than not, they don't appreciate the wonderful cleanliness and order given to them out of charity.  Instead, they work hard to turn into the same dirty mess they were pulled out of.  I had one house mate in college that threw candle wax all over the walls and floor of his bedroom.  He was there on a full ride sports scholarship out of the LA barrios and treated that house like it was a trash bin, spitting tobacco chew on the carpet and rubbing it in with his shoe.

I would think the majority of Puerto Ricans have more dignity than this mayor is demonstrating.  Hopefully they trash can her and get a leader to get the rebuilding and cleaning, and distribution moving.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 12, 2017, 06:42:53 AM
  YES, few people understand that third world countries are so because of the people and not the land.

NWP + Karma
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 13, 2017, 04:45:30 PM
The first Puerto Rican congresswoman came after Trump hard. Here’s what she said.

When President Donald Trump tweeted that the U.S. wouldn’t be able to stay in Puerto Rico and help with recovery efforts forever, hinting that the U.S. may be about to withdraw Hurricane Maria relief support in the near future, many people in America took offense.

But for Nydia Velazquez, the first Puerto Rican woman to be elected to Congress, it was personal. She let Trump, and the nation, know how she felt in a speech before the House Financial Services committee.

“Why is it he doesn’t put the same tweets when it comes to Texas or Florida?” she asked.

Carl's comment: Looks like they want the US to fund a total rebuild of their failing infrastructure that was mostly collapsed by their own hands, Does Puerto Rico even pay taxes to US?

FOUND IT:

The Commonwealth government has its own tax laws and Puerto Ricans are also required to pay most US federal taxes, with the major exception being that most residents do not have to pay the federal personal income tax. In 2009, Puerto Rico paid $3.742 billion into the US Treasury.

LINK to story:
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10/13/the-first-puerto-rican-congresswoman-came-after-trump-hard-heres-what-she-said/
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on October 13, 2017, 07:19:13 PM
I was thinking last night that  Puerto Rico ought to just sell their island  to Canada, become Canadians, and wash their hands of the United States.

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 14, 2017, 04:22:57 AM
I was thinking last night that  Puerto Rico ought to just sell their island  to Canada, become Canadians, and wash their hands of the United States.

Cedar

  They are in a bad way due to corruption in their own government,they will ,as a people,continue to suffer without a change in that government.
So few remain industrious and farm as their 'country' goes down the tubes. I do feel for the people as they suffer under government corruption as do we in the US now.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on October 14, 2017, 05:42:43 AM
Once again....

Puerto Rico is owned by the United States since March 2, 1917. It's government is the United States, and it's current president is Trump.

But then again, Trump said he called/met the president of the US Virgin Islands.....which is himself. The United States bought the US Virgin islands 1917 as well.

All 54 of the islands of Puerto Rico and the US Virgin islands are owned by the United States, and their people are US citizens.

As to the poor state Puerto Rico is in... As you say, it was government caused....For much of the 20th century Puerto Rico was subject to favorable tax laws from the US federal government, which essentially acted to subsidize the island's economy. In 1996, US President Bill Clinton signed legislation phasing out important parts of the favorable federal tax code over a ten-year period ending in 2006. The end of the subsidies led to companies fleeing the island which itself subsequently led to tax shortfalls. At first, the Puerto Rican government tried to make up for the shortfall by issuing bonds. The government was able to issue an unusually large number of bonds, due to dubious underwriting from financial institutions such as Spain's Santander Bank, UBS, and Citigroup. And the Jones Act with shipping causes them a huge amount of grief, although Texas and Florida has it as well, for some reason those states do not get charged 3x what Puerto Rico does.

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: NWPilgrim on October 17, 2017, 05:14:42 PM
I don't see the PR situation so much as a govt caused problem (contributor, but not ultimate source) now that you point out the flood of bonds issued.  That is the same game banks (multinational, central, IMF, World Bank) have played with most of Central and South America. 

- Offer huge amounts of loans/bonds that can never be repaid
-  When the country falls behind then offer extension at higher interest rate
-  Repeat extensions/increases until national economy collapses
-  Offer new govt huge amounts of debt to come to power and "rebuild."
-  Repeat.

Governments are to blame to the degree they (US mainly) allow these large/central banks to function, and that the debtor nations ask for/accept these ridiculous loans/bond underwriting.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 17, 2017, 05:30:29 PM
Once again....

Puerto Rico is owned by the United States since March 2, 1917. It's government is the United States, and it's current president is Trump.

But then again, Trump said he called/met the president of the US Virgin Islands.....which is himself. The United States bought the US Virgin islands 1917 as well.

All 54 of the islands of Puerto Rico and the US Virgin islands are owned by the United States, and their people are US citizens.

As to the poor state Puerto Rico is in... As you say, it was government caused....For much of the 20th century Puerto Rico was subject to favorable tax laws from the US federal government, which essentially acted to subsidize the island's economy. In 1996, US President Bill Clinton signed legislation phasing out important parts of the favorable federal tax code over a ten-year period ending in 2006. The end of the subsidies led to companies fleeing the island which itself subsequently led to tax shortfalls. At first, the Puerto Rican government tried to make up for the shortfall by issuing bonds. The government was able to issue an unusually large number of bonds, due to dubious underwriting from financial institutions such as Spain's Santander Bank, UBS, and Citigroup. And the Jones Act with shipping causes them a huge amount of grief, although Texas and Florida has it as well, for some reason those states do not get charged 3x what Puerto Rico does.

Cedar

Puerto Rico is SELF GOVERNING commonwealth and has it's own government...Once again.It is corruption in their local government that has brought about much of the problems.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on October 17, 2017, 06:23:29 PM
Puerto Rico is SELF GOVERNING commonwealth and has it's own government...Once again.It is corruption in their local government that has brought about much of the problems.
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Like Connecticut? Like Massachusetts? Like New Jersey? Like Illinois? Like Kentucky? Like New York? Etc?
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7619/9-most-bankrupt-states-america-yours-list-aaron-bandler

And Puerto Rico is a USA territory. Under United States law, an unincorporated territory is an area controlled by the United States government Puerto Rico is only partially covered by the US Constitution, as the cannot vote at a certain level.

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 17, 2017, 06:45:57 PM
  The local government is corrupt...just accept that they are self governing .
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on October 23, 2017, 01:31:27 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/national/puerto-rico-gov-slams-trump-high-marks-relief-efforts-article-1.3583112
Ex-Governor of Puerto Rico tweets photo of surgeons operating by cellphone light after Trump dubs aide efforts a 10

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 23, 2017, 01:38:59 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/national/puerto-rico-gov-slams-trump-high-marks-relief-efforts-article-1.3583112
Ex-Governor of Puerto Rico tweets photo of surgeons operating by cellphone light after Trump dubs aide efforts a 10

Cedar

But the Navy and FEMA and other groups went there ,it's not President Trumps fault that they were so slow that many were there BEFORE the storm hit .
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on October 23, 2017, 01:50:48 PM
But the Navy and FEMA and other groups went there ,it's not President Trumps fault that they were so slow that many were there BEFORE the storm hit .

- The US military is planning to deploy the USNS Comfort hospital ship to assist with FEMA's response efforts in Puerto Rico a week after Hurricane Maria smashed the island as a Category 4 storm,

- The Trump administration is rushing military hardware and personnel into Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands as it becomes increasingly clear that the U.S. government response to Hurricane Maria so far has been inadequate and overmatched by the scale of the disaster.In the first six days after the hurricane made landfall here, the Navy had deployed just three ships,

-Nearly two weeks after Hurricane Maria’s landfall, the Trump administration’s military aid to Puerto Rico may not be too late if it can save lives and ease the suffering of millions. But it is undisputedly arriving in amounts too little and too slowly, in sharp contrast to recent responses around the world and, most recently, elsewhere in the United States during this hurricane season.

- When Hurricane Maria struck, the U.S. military called off the huge resources it had mustered for Hurricanes Harvey and Irma.


Ohhhhh. I must be reading 'fake news'...

Cedar


Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 23, 2017, 02:06:54 PM
Yes,you are and ships don't FLY...though 16 ships are in that area already as is the medical ship( it has been there over a week). President Trump has directed the effort and can do little more to speed thing up. If the state of condition of the power grid weren't in such bad shape BEFORE THE STORM,repairs would be faster ,they were a country falling apart from corruption and misuse and the storm did not do all the damage that was done.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on October 23, 2017, 05:25:58 PM
Yes,you are and ships don't FLY...though 16 ships are in that area already as is the medical ship( it has been there over a week). President Trump has directed the effort and can do little more to speed thing up.

On September 29th 2017, the ship USNS Comfort (T-AH-20) set sail for Puerto Rico to bring assistance to the island after Hurricane Maria had hit it nine days earlier.

That 'fake news' was from the USNS Comfort (T-AH-20)'s own website.

The Comport,  began preparing to deploy days before, but U.S. officials decided last weekend against sending it, said Thomas LaCrosse, the Pentagon’s director of defense support to civil authorities. Long announced at the White House that the Comfort would be deploying after all. That decision came amid growing criticism that it should already have been at sea heading toward the island.

On September 29th, the USS Wasp was sent. The deployment of the Wasp to Puerto Rico comes as senior U.S. officials defend against growing criticism that their response to Maria is too slow. 9 days after "Maria", it was deployed, not arrived. As you say, dhips don't fly, so it was days after this that she arrived.


The Wasp, and two other Navy combat ships, the USS Kearsarge and USS Oak Hill, stayed in the region for days, and then moved south Sept. 18 to avoid the path of Hurricane Maria. They were started on their way days after USDẞWasp.

Fox news seems to be the only one mentioning 16 US Navy ships going to Puerto Rico. I think they must be like 50 ham radio operators who went to Puerto Rico, when it was half that number. Except in this case it was three ships. If you think it was 16, plus ten more going, like Fox News says, gimme some ship names.

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 23, 2017, 05:42:33 PM
   :rofl:  The ship was delayed as it took several days to stock and provision the ship as it was not ready
for mission and does not get equipment and personnel on board until orders come down the chain of command and as some 15,000 plus are involved it is lunacy to blame one man for everything.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on October 23, 2017, 07:19:37 PM
   :rofl:  The ship was delayed as it took several days to stock and provision the ship as it was not ready
for mission and does not get equipment and personnel on board until orders come down the chain of command and as some 15,000 plus are involved it is lunacy to blame one man for everything.



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The Comport,  began preparing to deploy days before, but U.S. officials decided last weekend against sending it,

Care to name the other 13+10 US Navy ships deployed to Puerto Rico?

Cedar

Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 23, 2017, 07:42:38 PM
On Saturday, the island’s main port in San Juan reopened and 11 ships arrived, the AP reports, bringing 1.6 million gallons of water, 23,000 cots, food, and electrical generators. More than 2,500 National Guard members have been deployed to Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands. The Coast Guard and Army Corps of Engineers are working to reopen more ports on the islands. (FEMA is keeping a running list of federal resources deployed to Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands.)

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/9/25/16360488/hurricane-maria-2017-puerto-rico-recovery-san-juan-hospitals-electricty-cell-service  Also note the COMFORT is not on this count and the other vessels I listed went to some of the other islands (Dominica,Virgin Islands to) as Puerto Rico was not the only place inn need of assistance .

SEVEN major Coast Guard vessels that were there have now left as ships can't do much on land and some other Navy vessels have also re-deployed as they didn't need any war done on any of the islands after initial aide was given and rescue work was picked up from aircraft that were now at the airport.

  I understand the COMFORT had issue with availability of an adequate port and remains mostly unutilized as hospitals are not releasing patients to go to the ship. Such is their local politics.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Alan Georges on October 24, 2017, 06:45:39 AM
The NYT takes a look at long term survival conditions in PR:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/us/hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-coping.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/us/hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-coping.html)

If you're ready to live at these reduced levels, and I believe most of us here are, it's just another camping trip and you're in a position to help your neighbors.  OTOH, in a direct hit by a Cat 5 even the best prepared can lose everything material.  Pretty hard to blow away skills though, and that's the important part.
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Cedar on October 24, 2017, 07:16:09 AM
.  OTOH, in a direct hit by a Cat 5 even the best prepared can lose everything material.  Pretty hard to blow away skills though, and that's the important part.

Yep. A lady at work.has family there, she said they were without water for a month. So I gave my co-worker two different sets of solar stills they could probably make from salvage there, and to pass the plans onto their neighbors.

Cedar
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Carl on October 24, 2017, 08:28:34 AM
I'm only a Tech, so I'm out, but it would be nice to be on the ground and helping.

I was only a technician when I took on your namesake (Rita) and the aftermath of Katrina . As a tech ,you have access to over 90% of the Ham radio spectrum. With repeaters,satellites,Echolink and some tenacity ,you can communicate all over the world . I was requested to help at our local Communication Center (911) and walked in to the building with a radio and a thumb drive. I was able to take call,verify the address and give GPS locations to our HF operators and free them of such involved duties so they got the message out.

  Then I got an Echolink contact from a recruiter (Marine?) in Ohio who had several HF operators that could pass the messages more directly as HF does not work so good up close (200 mile to Gulf damage area) Later the same recruiter passed a SAT phone number to me of a nephew or son of his who was on a Coast Guard vessel doing air rescue...Many lives were saved due to the freak meeting of resourceful Ham operators as I was able to direct helicopter rescue DIRECTLY . Some did not like the idea that I was not using Ham radio to do this.....they are stupid...any means possible .

  Most emergency is m0re local and knowledge of the area can be critical,don't discount what you can do for others or yourself Rita as you never know when it can fall upon you to be part of the chain that many others can depend on.

Link to a small bit of audio: Listening still brings up emotions for me....

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5ZIZLZV4AwIdnVyazhiWmF1OTQ
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Chemsoldier on April 18, 2018, 12:03:56 PM
The whole island is down on power right now. They expect it will be down 24-36 hours. 

 http://thehill.com/latino/383734-puerto-rico-hit-with-island-wide-blackout
Title: Re: Hurricane Maria
Post by: Chemsoldier on May 29, 2018, 10:14:44 AM
Separate thread on the final death toll:
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=62903.0