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Title: "Read only" forums
Post by: Gamer on January 03, 2018, 07:49:03 PM
I notice that the Political and Tinfoil hat forums are now "read only" and we can't reply to any posts in there.
What's the reason for that? Is Survival Podcast a discussion forum or isn't it?
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Ms. Albatross on January 03, 2018, 07:52:14 PM
I notice that the Political and Tinfoil hat forums are now "read only" and we can't reply to any posts in there.
What's the reason for that? Is Survival Podcast a discussion forum or isn't it?

See this:
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=61904.msg737266#msg737266
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: surfivor on January 04, 2018, 04:15:44 AM
I think about 3 to 4 days ago some heavily sarcastic and condescending posts started showing up in the political discussion area. An odd contentious thread appeared in the tin foil area also but in general that area has not been heavily contentious I would say

What if you where allowed a quota in political discussions say only so many posts per day or every few days, would that help? To do that automatically would require a software change to the PHP engine but would be a learning opportunity for some person
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Alan Georges on January 04, 2018, 05:44:39 AM
I'll tell you, the continuing we-hate-Trump/we-love-Trump *ahem* discussion was driving a lot of people away.  There are other places for this kind of stuff, and it was in the way around here.  I'm glad for the change.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Carl on January 04, 2018, 07:00:48 AM
  I am glad to see a return to normal.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: surfivor on January 04, 2018, 07:03:07 AM
Political discussions that are allowed only if the executive branch is never mentioned? A separate trump section ?

What if some significant political development occurs? We won't be able to talk about it
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: trekker111 on January 04, 2018, 07:28:15 AM
I had noticed myself that it was getting worse, especially after the election results came out. Even members who for years never stuck out in such threads seemed to go hard core to either the " trump is the devil incarnate" camp, or the "trump is the second coming of Jesus" camp.

I have a routine when I come to this site, I hit the replies button to check the threads I've already posted in, then hit the unread button. I've been finding myself becoming less likely to even peruse the new threads, and logging in less. It used to be a few times a day, but lately it's been a few times a week. And the political part of it is a factor. Not the only part, but a party none the less.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: surfivor on January 04, 2018, 07:04:53 PM
  I am glad to see a return to normal.

Carl won't have to work so hard anymore drudging up all those new stories to set the record straight. Life should  be easy from here on out.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Polar Bear on January 05, 2018, 07:27:54 PM
 :candle: :beer:
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: David in MN on January 09, 2018, 07:52:21 PM
I think you guys are seeing the symptom and calling it the problem.

We live in a world where everything is a political event. from CAFE standards to medical pot, from steel tariffs to corn subsidies, from free speech zones to rendition.

Boarding a plane is a political event. Young people will be amazed we used to greet travelers at the terminal. Carrying a gun is a political event. There was a time (less than a century ago) with virtually no gun laws. Carry what you want from a single shot .22 to a BAR.

We used to be able to make liquor. For Pete's sake Jimmy Carter legalized homebrewing because it was still verboten from Prohibition. Your great grandparents not only could smoke pot, they could hit up the local pharmacist for opium (sans prescription). And they afforded it without insurance or a union.

Politics is contentious because it controls every second of your life. From speed limits to zoning laws to a 1099 DIV it is the thumb on every scale. It's so bad New York wants to tell you what size soda you can drink.

It's not a fight because we're bad people. The ring of power is out of control.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Carl on January 10, 2018, 06:38:29 AM
  KARMA David, too much power in the wrong hands.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: osubuckeye4 on January 10, 2018, 08:17:39 AM
Well... after thinking it over for a week or so, this will be my last post here.

I'm not leaving angry and I don't have any issue with the admins/moderators running their forums the way they see fit. At the end of the day, it's their boards, their clubhouse... and they are free to run it however they like.

I'm only writing this because, rather than just disappear... I feel I should take 10 minutes to express my gratitude to said admins/mods for allowing me to write these 1200 posts over the last 5 years (some posts being more poignant/tactful/meaningful than others  8)). I do appreciate the fact that I've been allowed that privilege.


That said, I personally don't agree with and can't get on board with censorship when it comes to thoughts/ideas/words that are entirely on topic and don't break any kind of law. The fact that verbiage within established boards/topics can be deemed "too contentious" and essentially banned from a site that encourages survival "when times are tough, or not".... is troubling to me. Perhaps that's my problem though, and something I should work on.

I just feel that dealing with contentious verbiage from people you don't see eye to eye with is a large part of life. I feel that it is a key part of surviving life and living life to it's fullest. Pretending that it isn't and removing "contention" in such an artificial and ham-fisted manner... eh, I just think it's wrong and can't personally see eye to eye with it and go blindly go along with it.




All righty... that about covers it. Again, I appreciate the platform for being allowed to type it out as I exit stage left.

I'll end this by wishing everyone a very happy 2018 and best of luck in wherever their life's travels take them.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Morning Sunshine on January 10, 2018, 08:35:50 AM
Well... after thinking it over for a week or so, this will be my last post here.

I'm not leaving angry and I don't have any issue with the admins/moderators running their forums the way they see fit. At the end of the day, it's their boards, their clubhouse... and they are free to run it however they like.

I'm only writing this because, rather than just disappear... I feel I should take 10 minutes to express my gratitude to said admins/mods for allowing me to write these 1200 posts over the last 5 years (some posts being more poignant/tactful/meaningful than others  8)). I do appreciate the fact that I've been allowed that privilege.


That said, I personally don't agree with and can't get on board with censorship when it comes to thoughts/ideas/words that are entirely on topic and don't break any kind of law. The fact that verbiage within established boards/topics can be deemed "too contentious" and essentially banned from a site that encourages survival "when times are tough, or not".... is troubling to me. Perhaps that's my problem though, and something I should work on.

I just feel that dealing with contentious verbiage from people you don't see eye to eye with is a large part of life. I feel that it is a key part of surviving life and living life to it's fullest. Pretending that it isn't and removing "contention" in such an artificial and ham-fisted manner... eh, I just think it's wrong and can't personally see eye to eye with it and go blindly go along with it.




All righty... that about covers it. Again, I appreciate the platform for being allowed to type it out as I exit stage left.

I'll end this by wishing everyone a very happy 2018 and best of luck in wherever their life's travels take them.

we will miss you.  Have a good one, OSU
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: surfivor on January 10, 2018, 08:53:35 AM
 Well, that's it .. people leave for different reasons. Not everyone leaves because they don't like the political debates. They may leave also for awhile because they disagree with many people on politics. If people want to leave that's what they do and it's not clear you can get people to come back once they leave regardless

I do think however that moderated forums tend to be not as bad as unmoderated ones even if I don't always agree with the moderators decisions.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Carl on January 10, 2018, 09:47:39 AM
  I am sorry to see some leave,whether because of political disagreement or disagreement with admin/Mod rules. I learned long ago to stand and face my troubles and refuse to cave to mere words.This board is a large cross section of our world with many who don't share my thoughts and opinions,We are here to share and learn from one another and not to argue about our differences but to expose ourselves for a greater understanding and sometimes growth. I don't always agree with the admins or Mods,but neither do I want the burden of their work in keeping this board the kind of place I want to be a part of...they do the job well,even when I don't agree with them

  If I plant tomatoes one way and someone else another...we question the advantages,discuss advantages and maybe adapt or adopt the method...
Why is this not the way we treat any differences? Yes ,I know,I have been a portion of the 'problems' and occasionally was,or was thought of as getting personal (a thing that is best to avoid) But I have learned from this and hope others also as there simply is not just one way to do things.I will someday leave this life,hopefully in my time and knowingly ,I hope also to have been even just a small part of making it better.

  I joined in June 2010 ,perhaps a bit before many who are thought of as old timers,and have seen many growth changes...this is simply one.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Polar Bear on January 10, 2018, 03:09:19 PM
Gonna miss you Ohio.  I enjoyed your thoughts and posts.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: LVWood on January 10, 2018, 03:25:55 PM
Looks like the left wing libtards have won the argument by shutting down discussion through personal attacks.
I guess that's why the mods essentially locked the threads.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: David in MN on January 10, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
Well... after thinking it over for a week or so, this will be my last post here.

I'm not leaving angry and I don't have any issue with the admins/moderators running their forums the way they see fit. At the end of the day, it's their boards, their clubhouse... and they are free to run it however they like.

I'm only writing this because, rather than just disappear... I feel I should take 10 minutes to express my gratitude to said admins/mods for allowing me to write these 1200 posts over the last 5 years (some posts being more poignant/tactful/meaningful than others  8)). I do appreciate the fact that I've been allowed that privilege.


That said, I personally don't agree with and can't get on board with censorship when it comes to thoughts/ideas/words that are entirely on topic and don't break any kind of law. The fact that verbiage within established boards/topics can be deemed "too contentious" and essentially banned from a site that encourages survival "when times are tough, or not".... is troubling to me. Perhaps that's my problem though, and something I should work on.

I just feel that dealing with contentious verbiage from people you don't see eye to eye with is a large part of life. I feel that it is a key part of surviving life and living life to it's fullest. Pretending that it isn't and removing "contention" in such an artificial and ham-fisted manner... eh, I just think it's wrong and can't personally see eye to eye with it and go blindly go along with it.




All righty... that about covers it. Again, I appreciate the platform for being allowed to type it out as I exit stage left.

I'll end this by wishing everyone a very happy 2018 and best of luck in wherever their life's travels take them.

Sorry to see. Will miss the insight. But I understand. A society raised in a vacuum eventually chokes. We'll leave the light on.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: BLACK SHIRT on January 10, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
It is pathetic that a forum based on being strong and self sufficient is full of people that can't handle lively discussions and disagreements. This shows that we are truly doomed as a society when forums like this are cowering to dissent of the minority. If someone can't handle words on a computer and feel threatened by faceless posts how do they expect to survive a collapse or any type of inconvenience?
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: LVWood on January 10, 2018, 07:52:27 PM
It is pathetic that a forum based on being strong and self sufficient is full of people that can't handle lively discussions and disagreements. This shows that we are truly doomed as a society when forums like this are cowering to dissent of the minority. If someone can't handle words on a computer and feel threatened by faceless posts how do they expect to survive a collapse or any type of inconvenience?

Well I just have to chime in.

It's not about the inability to stand up to the "dissent of the minority", it's about choosing whether to participate in a negative environment.
It's too bad some on this board feel empowered to bash and insult just to make a point.
We are truly doomed as a society when civility becomes extinct.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: surfivor on January 10, 2018, 08:20:05 PM
 I often feel like a good balance between liberalism and conservatism is good. Other times however I feel like maybe liberalism is too heavily in bedded in society
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: FreeLancer on January 10, 2018, 08:33:04 PM
Looks like the left wing libtards have won the argument by shutting down discussion through personal attacks.

It's too bad some on this board feel empowered to bash and insult just to make a point.

Yes it is.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: surfivor on January 10, 2018, 08:57:34 PM
Maybe some people on here have a point however which did occur to me. That is people on the left start acting desperate and freaking out and then when it appears their argument is lost then there's no more discussion
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: David in MN on January 10, 2018, 09:04:53 PM
Yes it is.

Maybe not the correct thread to taunt people who are seriously considering signing out. We already lost Buckeye. Maybe let some people lick their wounds before reaching for the salt shaker.

Hell, I'll admit I'm hanging by a thread and trying to start some new Big Brother approved threads.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Mr. Bill on January 10, 2018, 09:23:41 PM
FYI, the mods/admins have been discussing this issue for the past 3 days.  If you're thinking about leaving, hang on for a bit.  Maybe we'll pull a magic rabbit out of the hat and make everybody happy.

Also, some of the assumptions in this thread about why we did what we did are wildly incorrect.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: LVWood on January 10, 2018, 09:48:29 PM
FYI, the mods/admins have been discussing this issue for the past 3 days.  If you're thinking about leaving, hang on for a bit.  Maybe we'll pull a magic rabbit out of the hat and make everybody happy.

Also, some of the assumptions in this thread about why we did what we did are wildly incorrect.
When the admins act unilaterally without comment as to the reason, assumptions are a natural occurrence.
I await your hat trick.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Mr. Bill on January 10, 2018, 09:56:59 PM
without comment as to the reason

 :facepalm:

"Political Discussion" and "Tin Foil Hat Brigade" are now read-only (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=61904.0)
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: surfivor on January 11, 2018, 02:53:33 AM
I can kind of understand if things got out-of-control a bit that the same forums could be made read only for a few days. I would not want to be have the job of moderating the forums myself and such a hiatus would possibly force me to spend more time doing other things once in awhile which is not always a bad thing
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: David in MN on January 11, 2018, 05:12:28 AM
FYI, the mods/admins have been discussing this issue for the past 3 days.  If you're thinking about leaving, hang on for a bit.  Maybe we'll pull a magic rabbit out of the hat and make everybody happy.

Also, some of the assumptions in this thread about why we did what we did are wildly incorrect.

Um, OK. But where I sit TSP is now a mandated carbon copy of the Washington Post. Carl just isn't going to find that many new flashlights.

When you build in a requirement that all news must come through the MSM you've got to know you're sabotaging the conservatives. What blows my mind is that while they squeal like stuck pigs the libertarians are vanishing. Maybe I'll survive the Great Libertarian Culling of 2018.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Carl on January 11, 2018, 06:46:44 AM
  I may as well enter my grumpy old mans opinion. While I participated in many discussions on politics,it was as a conservative who has never chosen a party to be part of and rarely agree with others as I feel the people of politics are mostly alien to the commoners of our country and are not reflective of society . I feel politics is only good when the voice of the people and the laws of the land are adhered to and GOD is a big part of what made our country great. When the populace is tugged ,pulled,and taught things like you can't look at a woman without being blamed for sexual assault,but you can go in their bathroom because you woke up 'feeling' like a woman today...then things are totally misdirected .

  The cows are in your garden and when there is nothing left ,it will be just like the pasture they left because THEY are the reason that their pasture is like it is as they don't strive to do better with what they have,only take advantage of what others made and ignore what made the garden so good.

  You are not securing a better life for your own children. Be happy though,you left the gate open.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Docwatmo on January 11, 2018, 07:20:06 AM
Yes, we are working on this and hope to find an amicable solution, however, when it comes to polarizing issues, there sometimes aren't any medians that can work well.  In those cases, it's up to the participants to put on their big boy/girl panties and deal with it.   Running away isn't the answer (Yes it is an answer, but it's not the one we want to see, everyone is a welcomed participant in this forum and we look for your posts every day, this is a family, and like some familes, there can be discord, but we don't want to throw away relationships over things as simple as political "Opinion", as opinion is all that it is, each of us is simply sprouting our own opinion, it's not law, it's not forced compliance, it's simply opinion.   

There are some amazing people behind the scenes doing their best, and we have mods/admins from all political views (lefty, righty, progressive, centrist, conservative, libertarian, anarchist).  So there is no unilateral one way decisions.  These people are doing their absolute level best to find a point where civility meets discussion without allowing for angry rants and personal attacks.  There is no single simple answer to keeping the primary mission of this forum going while still allowing for open discussion on topics that can and do impact our daily lives.     Believe me when I say, it's not an easy task.  But we are working Together, to make it as good as possible for everyone.  This will take time.  We've experimented with different levels of moderation, and control, and the see-saw between freedom of expression and moderated civility keeps going back and forth, But I believe we are getting closer to a balance. 

PLEASE give us more time.  Many of the things we do takes days or weeks to find out if it works, or has any major caveats we hadn't considered. 

We are trying, we are doing our best, and I truly hope everyone understands that and sticks around.    If you must, walk away, just do it for a couple days, or a week or two, then come back and test the waters again.  No need to delete accounts and all that.   

Thanks for listening

Doc
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: surfivor on January 11, 2018, 08:16:16 AM
 You can already block new users from the tinfoil section and other areas. It probably wouldn't be that hard for a developer to make it so that you can either temporarily block people from political discussions or block people who don't want to partake in that. Just an idea for the future
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Morning Sunshine on January 11, 2018, 08:45:14 AM
Yes, we are working on this and hope to find an amicable solution, however, when it comes to polarizing issues, there sometimes aren't any medians that can work well.  In those cases, it's up to the participants to put on their big boy/girl panties and deal with it.   Running away isn't the answer (Yes it is an answer, but it's not the one we want to see, everyone is a welcomed participant in this forum and we look for your posts every day, this is a family, and like some familes, there can be discord, but we don't want to throw away relationships over things as simple as political "Opinion", as opinion is all that it is, each of us is simply sprouting our own opinion, it's not law, it's not forced compliance, it's simply opinion.   

There are some amazing people behind the scenes doing their best, and we have mods/admins from all political views (lefty, righty, progressive, centrist, conservative, libertarian, anarchist).  So there is no unilateral one way decisions.  These people are doing their absolute level best to find a point where civility meets discussion without allowing for angry rants and personal attacks.  There is no single simple answer to keeping the primary mission of this forum going while still allowing for open discussion on topics that can and do impact our daily lives.     Believe me when I say, it's not an easy task.  But we are working Together, to make it as good as possible for everyone.  This will take time.  We've experimented with different levels of moderation, and control, and the see-saw between freedom of expression and moderated civility keeps going back and forth, But I believe we are getting closer to a balance. 

PLEASE give us more time.  Many of the things we do takes days or weeks to find out if it works, or has any major caveats we hadn't considered. 

We are trying, we are doing our best, and I truly hope everyone understands that and sticks around.    If you must, walk away, just do it for a couple days, or a week or two, then come back and test the waters again.  No need to delete accounts and all that.   

Thanks for listening

Doc

y'all have a thankless job.  I am continually amazed at the community you guys have allowed to thrive here.  Allowed is not quite the word I want, as it implies we have your permission.  I am trying to use the idea of getting out of the way and only interfering when needed.
I am one with strong views, I like to discuss politics in general, and even argue points.  But I have come to a point in my life where my relationships are more important than debate.  And those I love, I love - even if they voted opposite of me.  Which is why when I saw my friends from college last summer, I avoided the topic completely (and it is possible they did also).  I have great "love" and respect for a lot of members here.  So I removed myself from the political discussions.
I hope we can find a solution.  We from all political sides need to be able to discuss without hate.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: archer on January 11, 2018, 08:46:06 AM
You can already block new users from the tinfoil section and other areas. It probably wouldn't be that hard for a developer to make it so that you can either temporarily block people from political discussions or block people who don't want to partake in that. Just an idea for the future

we dont have a budget so paying a developer is out of the question.

if people dont like the political boards or any board, they can just not go there or even set those boards to be ignored.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: mountainmoma on January 11, 2018, 09:27:43 AM
I totally get why you stopped the discussion, it wasnt discussion and it made the whole place feel divisive. I think it is a wothwhile experiment at least and it will take more than  a few days, probably a few months, to see if the no commenting helps.

I also get why it is difficult NOT to be able to have this discussion, because, for example, someone may have a good point or insight we all could benefit from on the subject, let's say, of the Bundy trial results. However, that wasnt what was happening. And, I have seen where feelings from these things has absolutely spilled over to other threads on this forum, not overtly, but has put a damper on various people lightly participating in others threads or discussions.

IF the entire political threads went away entirely, it would still be a survival forum. But, it is part of survival to know which ways the political climate is blowing, so if there is a way to inform each other of something we missed, it is good.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: bigbear on January 11, 2018, 09:28:57 AM
I'll chime in...  The community is becoming/has become toxic to itself (as evidenced by active members either leaving, posting less, emotional energy spent wrongly, distracted, discouraged...).  So the mods (I believe) are looking for ways to encourage community building with a preparation mindset instead of community toxicity.  And the push back is that locking down threads and topics doesn't encourage community building either.

As a part of this community:  I get tired of seeing personal attacks.  I get tired of seeing pointed posts that may not quite be personal attacks.  I get tired of seeing someone so blinded by their POV that they can't see how it impacts their judgment.  I've become jaded with some posters that I don't even read what they post because I basically know how it's going to end.  I'm not built up by that.  Maybe I should/we should chime in a call out the offenders publicly and privately.  (Thanks to Freelancer and David for doing just that.)

I want to believe that both/all sides are trying to do right by the community by sharing their points.  But the mentality of "the ends justifying the means" has torpedoed some reputations in my book.  (Which brings to mind an old Jewish proverb, "A good name is to be more desired than great wealth.") 

Potential solutions (among the many that I'm sure your mulling): 
1. Perhaps when someone gets X number of reports (and mods agree), their posts are reviewed by mods before they are made public (or not)?  The offender gets a message stating the offending post(s) and the consequences.  Then the mods can determine how long before the offenders come off probation for good behavior?  Then if that cycle happens a few times, they are blocked from posting?  Maybe that process can be limited to certain topic boards so it's not covering the whole forum for review?  I'm not sure how feasible that would be from a software or Mods time perspective...
2. Similar idea but it's a thread by thread issue.  Once a thread gets heated/reported, it's locked down for posts to be reviewed by Mods.  If nothing else, the lag in time may slow the conversation so that our cooler more rational side of our brain can prevail instead of just the knee-jerk emotional/sarcastic/slanted side. 
3.  I can't emphasize this point enough:  If nothing else, the lag in time may slow the conversation so that our cooler more rational side of our brain can prevail instead of just the knee-jerk emotional/sarcastic/slanted side.  Maybe some type of lag in general for certain boards.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: AvenueQ on January 11, 2018, 09:48:51 AM
I'll chime in...  The community is becoming/has become toxic to itself (as evidenced by active members either leaving, posting less, emotional energy spent wrongly, distracted, discouraged...).  So the mods (I believe) are looking for ways to encourage community building with a preparation mindset instead of community toxicity.  And the push back is that locking down threads and topics doesn't encourage community building either.

As a part of this community:  I get tired of seeing personal attacks.  I get tired of seeing pointed posts that may not quite be personal attacks.  I get tired of seeing someone so blinded by their POV that they can't see how it impacts their judgment.  I've become jaded with some posters that I don't even read what they post because I basically know how it's going to end.  I'm not built up by that.  Maybe I should/we should chime in a call out the offenders publicly and privately.  (Thanks to Freelancer and David for doing just that.)

Well said. I have nothing but respect for the community here, and it saddens me to see some of the things that have been posted in the last year or so. I've learned valuable things from people here that I disagree with on lots of things. It's not as simple as "this person's bad, and this one's good," we all have knowledge to contribute. I think our "us vs. them" instinct is getting in the way, however, and I don't know what a good solution is. I know the mods are trying to make the best of a complicated and messy situation, so I support their decision, even if it's not ideal.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: archer on January 11, 2018, 09:50:05 AM
I'll chime in...  The community is becoming/has become toxic to itself (as evidenced by active members either leaving, posting less, emotional energy spent wrongly, distracted, discouraged...).  So the mods (I believe) are looking for ways to encourage community building with a preparation mindset instead of community toxicity.  And the push back is that locking down threads and topics doesn't encourage community building either.

As a part of this community:  I get tired of seeing personal attacks.  I get tired of seeing pointed posts that may not quite be personal attacks.  I get tired of seeing someone so blinded by their POV that they can't see how it impacts their judgment.  I've become jaded with some posters that I don't even read what they post because I basically know how it's going to end.  I'm not built up by that.  Maybe I should/we should chime in a call out the offenders publicly and privately.  (Thanks to Freelancer and David for doing just that.)

I want to believe that both/all sides are trying to do right by the community by sharing their points.  But the mentality of "the ends justifying the means" has torpedoed some reputations in my book.  (Which brings to mind an old Jewish proverb, "A good name is to be more desired than great wealth.") 

Potential solutions (among the many that I'm sure your mulling): 
1. Perhaps when someone gets X number of reports (and mods agree), their posts are reviewed by mods before they are made public (or not)?  The offender gets a message stating the offending post(s) and the consequences.  Then the mods can determine how long before the offenders come off probation for good behavior?  Then if that cycle happens a few times, they are blocked from posting?  Maybe that process can be limited to certain topic boards so it's not covering the whole forum for review?  I'm not sure how feasible that would be from a software or Mods time perspective...
2. Similar idea but it's a thread by thread issue.  Once a thread gets heated/reported, it's locked down for posts to be reviewed by Mods.  If nothing else, the lag in time may slow the conversation so that our cooler more rational side of our brain can prevail instead of just the knee-jerk emotional/sarcastic/slanted side. 
3.  I can't emphasize this point enough:  If nothing else, the lag in time may slow the conversation so that our cooler more rational side of our brain can prevail instead of just the knee-jerk emotional/sarcastic/slanted side.  Maybe some type of lag in general for certain boards.

+1, wanna be a mod?
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: fritz_monroe on January 11, 2018, 09:59:24 AM
As a part of this community:  I get tired of seeing personal attacks.  I get tired of seeing pointed posts that may not quite be personal attacks.  I get tired of seeing someone so blinded by their POV that they can't see how it impacts their judgment.  I've become jaded with some posters that I don't even read what they post because I basically know how it's going to end.  I'm not built up by that.  Maybe I should/we should chime in a call out the offenders publicly and privately.  (Thanks to Freelancer and David for doing just that.)
Exactly how I feel, up to the public shaming.  But as a moderator, where does calling someone out for acting nasty become a personal attack in itself?

Potential solutions (among the many that I'm sure your mulling): 
1. Perhaps when someone gets X number of reports (and mods agree), their posts are reviewed by mods before they are made public (or not)?  The offender gets a message stating the offending post(s) and the consequences.  Then the mods can determine how long before the offenders come off probation for good behavior?  Then if that cycle happens a few times, they are blocked from posting?  Maybe that process can be limited to certain topic boards so it's not covering the whole forum for review?  I'm not sure how feasible that would be from a software or Mods time perspective...
2. Similar idea but it's a thread by thread issue.  Once a thread gets heated/reported, it's locked down for posts to be reviewed by Mods.  If nothing else, the lag in time may slow the conversation so that our cooler more rational side of our brain can prevail instead of just the knee-jerk emotional/sarcastic/slanted side. 
3.  I can't emphasize this point enough:  If nothing else, the lag in time may slow the conversation so that our cooler more rational side of our brain can prevail instead of just the knee-jerk emotional/sarcastic/slanted side.  Maybe some type of lag in general for certain boards.
Thanks for the suggestions.  Unfortunately looking at how often threads are reported only works if all forum members are in on it.  There are just a handful of the members that do the vast majority of reporting.  We really appreciate the reports since there's a small number of moderators and you guys end up identifying problems much quicker than we can ID them.

But because there's only a few people reporting posts, it would be fairly easily to steer the moderators to taking action against someone based on these reports.  We've had members that were really good at walking the line of what is allowable. 
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Mr. Bill on January 11, 2018, 10:28:52 AM
+1, wanna be a mod?

There's no need to threaten the poor guy.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: bigbear on January 11, 2018, 11:20:36 AM
Exactly how I feel, up to the public shaming.  But as a moderator, where does calling someone out for acting nasty become a personal attack in itself?

Agreed.  That's a concern.  In my utopia, the goal isn't shaming.  But I can see how it can be used and/or taken as such.  Especially in the throws of a heated sparring session.  I think Freelancer and David both did that well.  Not sure how LVWood or Freelancer took it though. 

Unfortunately looking at how often threads are reported only works if all forum members are in on it.

At one point I almost posted to two people to "Get a room!" but didn't.  Maybe more who are frustrated should report more?  Kind of a voting feature for the voice of the community. 

I don't think people want threads locked down when the minority of people (albeit active people) can't control themselves for whatever reason.  I can imagine it's tough as a mod when the tools are limited.

+1, wanna be a mod?
:stop: 

There's no need to threaten the poor guy.
:spit:
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Carl on January 11, 2018, 12:53:33 PM
Yea.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Mr. Bill on January 11, 2018, 02:41:12 PM
Okay, here you go.  Have fun...

About the Political Sandbox (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=61971.0)

Also, the Tin Foil Hat Brigade has been re-opened.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Polar Bear on January 12, 2018, 05:56:00 AM
Thanks for remaking the political section. I'm not sure if it's crazy or not, but I have a sneaking feeling you moderators are fortified and heavily stocked with extra popcorn. So I'll end with this.

It's raining threads
Hallelujah
It's raining threads
Amen
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Carl on January 12, 2018, 06:14:54 AM
  I feel 'more responsible' for items I post but do wish others would post as my view can be a bit narrow.

 :popcorn: :popcorn:  It does taste fresher today and the vinegar and sea salt popcorn is an interesting flavor.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: fritz_monroe on January 12, 2018, 06:24:41 AM
my view can be a bit narrow.
Really?  I hadn't noticed.   ;D
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Carl on January 12, 2018, 06:39:10 AM
Really?  I hadn't noticed.   ;D

 :rofl:
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: archer on January 12, 2018, 09:33:04 AM
Thanks for remaking the political section. I'm not sure if it's crazy or not, but I have a sneaking feeling you moderators are fortified and heavily stocked with extra popcorn. So I'll end with this.

oh we are fortified all right... with large quantities of alcohol and pain meds...
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: David in MN on January 15, 2018, 07:50:29 PM
I can't say I'm happy. I've lost contact with some who I truly value and it's left me scrambling to have contact with those I fear to lose and lashing out at those I fear in general.

I'm going to close some stuff up but then it's time to walk the desert again.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: mountainmoma on January 15, 2018, 08:46:08 PM
I can't say I'm happy. I've lost contact with some who I truly value and it's left me scrambling to have contact with those I fear to lose and lashing out at those I fear in general.

I'm going to close some stuff up but then it's time to walk the desert again.

 :'(

I am hopeful it will settle out, I have found "in the real world" around me, it is, so I think it will here too soon. My sewing workshop I went to on saturday was t the local cooperative/anarchy(not the tsp definition...) compound and it is better now, I was right to take the risk and no politics was brought up by anyone ( Hurrah ! ) just the sewing we were there to do
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: Alan Georges on January 15, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
I'm going to close some stuff up but then it's time to walk the desert again.
After a year+ like this last one it's completely understandable.  I've taken that walk a couple of times, but ended up back here.  Please though, don't "go guest" – hang onto your key, come back when you're ready.
Title: Re: "Read only" forums
Post by: surfivor on January 16, 2018, 12:17:16 AM
I can't say I'm happy. I've lost contact with some who I truly value and it's left me scrambling to have contact with those I fear to lose and lashing out at those I fear in general.

I'm going to close some stuff up but then it's time to walk the desert again.

Hope to see you again, don't leave us alone out here to fend for ourselves when the wolves may return