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Title: Peltier (Thermoelectric cooling) Refrigorators?
Post by: Greekman on July 17, 2018, 09:07:56 AM
It is happened that i was listening the latest BOT episode, where Jack and Steven were discussing refrigeration.
Also A few days ago i guy i know bought a mini fridge.
I had a look at the manual and I soon understood that the fridge worked with Peltier plates.

personally...
- I find their ability to WARM the inside space questionable.
- I notice that the hotel room sized fridge consumed 70watts, and that i think is quite a lot for the fridge's size, compared to the modern day A++ class fridges.
- These fridges cannot make ice.
- Warm air exhaust clearence I think is critical

on the other hand price is low, and there is an inbuilt ability to work both with mains and 12V electricity.

What do you think of them?

BTW, how do i post such a question for the next BOT episode? I cannot find the way to in the episode notes.
Title: Re: Peltier (Thermoelectric cooling) Refrigorators?
Post by: Alan Georges on July 17, 2018, 07:36:27 PM
None of the inexpensive ones I've seen could get the internal temperature down low enough (~37 deg F) to really function as a true food-safe refrigerator.  The one I tried (amazon link (https://www.amazon.com/Wagan-EL6224-12V-Cooler-Warmer/dp/B00NHBYOA6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1531877455&sr=8-3&keywords=coleman+refrigerator+for+car&dpID=41WDufdonFL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch)) claims to get down to 36F below ambient temperature.  Here in summer that's like 60F.

Are there better ones out there?  I wonder how do the prices compare to similarly sized conventional compressor refrigerators?
Title: Re: Peltier (Thermoelectric cooling) Refrigorators?
Post by: Carl on July 18, 2018, 05:13:19 AM
  While they do 'work',they are not efficient or effective when compared to other MECHANICAL methods of thermal transfer. As a gadget to cool my insulin or for direct thermal transfer they are great...but for large scale heating/cooling.....just not so good.
Title: Re: Peltier (Thermoelectric cooling) Refrigorators?
Post by: fritz_monroe on July 18, 2018, 05:59:07 AM
I have a Coleman Powerchill that I got cheap a couple of years ago.  It works to being the temperature down to around 40F below ambient, like you said.  We rarely use it, it's just not very useful for us.

- doesn't cool enough to keep food safe
- 40F below ambient often isn't good for a refreshing drink
- it pulls enough current that if we have it in the back of the car, we have to unplug it when we stop for a break
- there really isn't a lot of insulation in the sides to keep it cool when it's unplugged
- the fan blowing across the cooling element will really heat up a car
- since it pulls so much power, we need to have hookups to keep it running all the time, might as well get a small fridge to carry to these situations.

This did come with a very nice wall wart transformer to plug the 12v plug into.  I use that a lot more than the cooler.
Title: Re: Peltier (Thermoelectric cooling) Refrigorators?
Post by: Greekman on July 19, 2018, 08:40:34 AM
I see. but what about larger units like this regarding temperature performance?
Though my few experiences with regular minibar fridges are not that impressing too.

http://www.indelb.com/products/hotel/minibar/breeze_t40

Title: Re: Peltier (Thermoelectric cooling) Refrigorators?
Post by: fritz_monroe on July 19, 2018, 09:10:33 AM
That looks about the same size as my Powerchill.

(https://www.discountfishingsupplies.co.nz/site/discountfishing/images/originals/coleman_powerchill_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Peltier (Thermoelectric cooling) Refrigorators?
Post by: Greekman on July 20, 2018, 12:15:00 AM
aha! google showed a portable camping style device...
Title: Re: Peltier (Thermoelectric cooling) Refrigorators?
Post by: fritz_monroe on July 20, 2018, 07:11:38 AM
aha! google showed a portable camping style device...
It is a portable camping style device.  But it runs either horizontal or vertical.  It's a 40 quart, I think.
Title: Re: Peltier (Thermoelectric cooling) Refrigorators?
Post by: armymars on July 20, 2018, 09:45:36 AM
  My mini frig in the basement to keep my sheet film cold will some times freeze it as long as I keep it defrosted.
Title: Re: Peltier (Thermoelectric cooling) Refrigorators?
Post by: fratermus on July 20, 2018, 12:50:17 PM
What do you think of them?

They can be a workable solution if:

Above 65F ambient or so I'd relegate them to chilling drinks and stuff rather than holding food at safe temps.

I ran one in my BOV for about a year.  I had generous amounts of power from solar so the constant drain was not a big deal for me. 

Power draw can be greatly reduced by adding in a $10 temperature control set to hold 35F or whatever.  Otherwise it will stay on all the time and pull 60-70w or whatever.
Title: Re: Peltier (Thermoelectric cooling) Refrigorators?
Post by: Greekman on July 20, 2018, 02:21:58 PM
aaah! did not know that they were always on by design