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Offline TimSuggs

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Military tracer/incindiary bullets questions...
« on: December 14, 2008, 08:39:17 AM »
Hi all!  I am not a reloader (yet), but I am a shooter.  I was wondering if anyone here had any military tracer/incendiary bullet experience?  It is my understanding that military tracer rounds have a small amount of phosphorus on the trailing end of the bullet that is ignited by the powder charge when the bullet is fired.  I've shot them, loved them in the M-60, wasn't that impressive in the 5.56mm round though.  Having the ability to "walk" your rounds on target was not only fun, but a very effective alternate, sometimes necessary, aiming technique.

Am I correct about the glow being a phosphorus substance?

Is it ignited by the powder charge or will phosphorus ignite on contact with atmosphere?

Can any of you think of how a "trace" effect could be added to the .22lr round?  Either in the traditional military tracer round fashion or perhaps with a barrel end can that coated the bullet as it passed through?

Ideas?

And of course, all current laws would be applicable, but it's usage would be for after SHTF employment.

Thanks for any comments!

Tim.


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Re: Military tracer/incindiary bullets questions...
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2008, 08:48:24 AM »
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM008-5.html


A little expensive, but available...

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Re: Military tracer/incindiary bullets questions...
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2008, 08:51:08 AM »
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM008-5.html


A little expensive, but available...

THANKS!  Just what I was looking for! 

Tim.

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Re: Military tracer/incindiary bullets questions...
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2008, 08:56:07 AM »
Just keep in mind...... they also let the other guy know exactly where your at.

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Re: Military tracer/incindiary bullets questions...
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2008, 09:06:57 AM »
Just keep in mind...... they also let the other guy know exactly where your at.

Oh yes they do!  But if I'm shooting, it's because I was fired on so they already got my location.  I was thinking about using tracers to help coordinate return fire from a BO convoy.  My BO scenario is to have family/group members rendezvous at predetermined "safe" staging areas and wait for an armed escort element.  No, I ain't talking APC's, just lightly armored 4x4 pick up trucks that would intersperse with the family convoy.  Lead escort will be more heavily armored than the rest.  In my locale, I don't expect anything other than hungry/scared locals poised along the winding country roads that might take a shot at a passing vehicle(s).

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Re: Military tracer/incindiary bullets questions...
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2008, 10:26:09 AM »
Here's a little tip for using tracers.
When loading your mags for a SHTF/tactical situation place a tracer round (if available) in your magazine third from the bottom. That's the third round going in as you are loading the magazine. Now, as you are emptying your rifle/pistol at the bad guys and you see the tracer round go twards them, you can fire 1 more round and then drop your mag, recharge your weapon with a fresh mag while never having your weapon without a round in the chamber.



Unless you are in a really long and protracted firefight I do not believe too many bad guys will be counting the rounds coming at them, noting where the tracers are and putting together a pattern. I'm sure it took the Axis Power foot soldiers a while to make note of the "M1 Ping" during WWII.

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Re: Military tracer/incindiary bullets questions...
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2008, 08:04:20 PM »
Dirt Rider 3006 I like your idea, never really considered using tracers in that way, but it is a very good suggestion.

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Re: Military tracer/incindiary bullets questions...
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2009, 09:25:40 PM »
I don't mean to derail this topic but I have got to ask.....

Tim what do you consider "lightly armored 4x4's?" What have you done/ are doing to "up-armor" your vehicles?