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I am relistening to Carl's interview for the tech stuff this time.
He mentions the use of a USB drive he keeped.

Now what Apps would find its way in there?

I can think of:
Echolink
Chirp + repeater
PSK31?
SDR-sharp


BTW Carl you also mention setting up a receiver at hoem to record.
How can this be done?
External power + mic jack + what kind of recording device?

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I am relistening to Carl's interview for the tech stuff this time.
He mentions the use of a USB drive he keeped.

Now what Apps would find its way in there?

I can think of:
Echolink
Chirp + repeater
PSK31?
SDR-sharp


BTW Carl you also mention setting up a receiver at hoem to record.
How can this be done?
External power + mic jack + what kind of recording device?

VOX RECORDER is free and you can download it here: http://antoninoporcino.xoom.it/VoxRecorder/   as it can use the PC MICROPHONE or LINE INPUT connected to a receiver for recording with no background noise

LUPO PEN SUITE is a collection of free ,no install software that you can install to a thumb drive of a hard drive directory and sort out the programs you want for your own custom thumb drive : http://www.lupopensuite.com/

Another collection of tools:  http://www.howtogeek.com/110549/the-best-free-portable-apps-for-your-flash-drive-toolkit/

And another : http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/70-free-useful-portable-applications-you-should-know/

The PORTABLE FREEWARE COLLECTION:  http://www.portablefreeware.com/

PORTABLE APPS :  http://portableapps.com/

Ham Software : http://www.f6dqm.fr/software.htm

The beauty of PORTABLE software is that it does not install and root into your operating system like most of todays programs do and if you find one you like...you can add it to your thumbdrive very easy ,though ,except for LUPO PEN SUITE ,you have to launch portable software with the EXECUTABLE FILE ,rather than with a start menu or ICOM though LUPO does have a cool way to add software to it's own start menu and might make others more comfortable. 

I had local maps in GIF format that a portable image viewer would open for reference
        Digipan for portable PSK/Digital modes
       CW PLAYER for RX and TX of CW
       Simplex repeater was used for on location communications
         Google Earth PORTABLE used for GPS coordinates
        SKYPE PORTABLE to make internet call where telephone would not work
        Echo Link Portable ...my tie in to much help from the Ham community
        VOX RECORDER from above link to make notes to cross check later
        A portable NOTEPAD to keep notes safe on thumb drive as power outages were frequent
        And several other simple programs and games

That should get you started .. OH I had already done some of this in an earlier post : AND THE MOD MADE QUICK WORK OF COMBINING THE THREADS THAT QUICK...good work!

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=54362.msg633961#msg633961
« Last Edit: May 07, 2015, 03:36:51 PM by Carl »

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thanks Carl!

regarding the merger I aimed to a HAM speciifc topic...

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thanks Carl!

regarding the merger I aimed to a HAM speciifc topic...


I suggested the merge. When you get a good set of tools,it may be time to publish a list and download locations
for those Hams who want to walk in your steps.

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hmm..a task for a Rookie  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'll do my best, but some apps i will not be able to use
« Last Edit: May 08, 2015, 09:13:43 AM by Greekman »

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hmm..a task for a Rookie  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I find I have to reach a bit and learn more by helping others rather than sitting here reflecting on the past.
My hobby is more exciting as new and old alike learn and 'do' new things and I get to share in their excitement.

But you already know this as you also share and teach others.

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yep! but my case was the one-eyed man leading the blind...

Anyway, I have to reinstall SDR sharp in my PC again, so here is a starting point.

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while the USB drive is not in my hands yet, i have started the collection.
Should  i will post the partial progress here or in a dedicated thread?
« Last Edit: May 11, 2015, 05:28:12 AM by Greekman »

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Just post it here ...it looks like we are alone here anyway.Plus your adventure may help others.

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before i satart i have questions.

1. is there a portable Echolink app? I cannot find any.

2. while interfacing the radio with a PC for sound, you use the mic and speaker PC jacks, don't you?

3. how can one set CW player to receive (read) incoming Morse code and play (transmit) back?
Any other apps?

Project update:

1. I will be going to my storage to see what audio jacks and cables i have.
2. will be obliging a friend to convert a very detailed map of our mountain from DWG to tiff or soemthing like this.
3. Collections of apps etc is half done. Relative info is a long way to go.
4. if i find the time I will re-install SDR-Sharp and refamiliarize myself with the process

Carl i think we should continue in thsi threads for info and help, but a different thread named something like "HAM radio apps for emergencyy/remote operation in a stick" (not on a...), detailing apps, uses of, souces etc, will be more easy for other members

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before i satart i have questions.

1. is there a portable Echolink app? I cannot find any.

I used a portable IRLP software at first,and later used a portable Echolink but,the version appears to not work now or I could share it ...I would use a smartphone today or carry the EchoLink install file for PC

2. while interfacing the radio with a PC for sound, you use the mic and speaker PC jacks, don't you?

You don't need a radio to use EchoLink,it is PC or smart phone ,voice over internet software

Yes,but only if you need to be away from the PC and the radio to PC interface is only used for using radio to internet
which is unlikely for most echolink use as the TEXT can't be read of used over radio.


3. how can one set CW player to receive (read) incoming Morse code and play (transmit) back?
Any other apps?

You need to interface the radio and PC for best use and I have found the DONNER DIGITAL INTERFACE to be low cost and trouble free

http://www.donnerstore.net/

Project update:

1. I will be going to my storage to see what audio jacks and cables i have.
2. will be obliging a friend to convert a very detailed map of our mountain from DWG to tiff or soemthing like this.
3. Collections of apps etc is half done. Relative info is a long way to go.
4. if i find the time I will re-install SDR-Sharp and refamiliarize myself with the process

Carl i think we should continue in thsi threads for info and help, but a different thread named something like "HAM radio apps for emergencyy/remote operation in a stick" (not on a...), detailing apps, uses of, souces etc, will be more easy for other members

Make this "your" project and include what you want. I used screen captured maps and a portable  photo software to view the maps ...here is the image viewer :  http://portableapps.com/apps/graphics_pictures/irfanview_portable

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this is precisely the image viewer i have been using for day one i got a PC of my own.
it is a pass-key for every format. And you can do basic photo editing with it.

regarding audio interface i was thinking:
1. Use with the voice recorder
2. use with the simplex repeater app that is in the HAM apps page you linked...VERY cool app.

Carl, what is this?
http://www.donnerstore.org//index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=94_102&products_id=208

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My only hesitation with the donner and other interfaces that rely on the PC sound card are for modern laptops that use a single TRRS connector for both microphone and speaker (phones) output.



You can get an adapter like this:


but with these modern laptops, you lose the distinct "line-out" which has different levels than "mic". 
I think you can make this all work, but you also need to ensure the sound card mixer is setup appropriately.

For a traditional PC that had separate 3.5mm jacks for "line" "mic" and "speaker" the Donner Interface is hard to beat for the price.

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this is precisely the image viewer i have been using for day one i got a PC of my own.
it is a pass-key for every format. And you can do basic photo editing with it.

regarding audio interface i was thinking:
1. Use with the voice recorder
2. use with the simplex repeater app that is in the HAM apps page you linked...VERY cool app.

Carl, what is this?
http://www.donnerstore.org//index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=94_102&products_id=208

The software I use for audio recording is called VOXRECORDER and it is NO INSTALL,good for thumbdrive and SMALL file,get it from my Google drive :

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5ZIZLZV4AwIWGJnejFzT2J1eGs/view?usp=sharing

The interface you listed is OK for recording BUT will not work for transmit..

You can also use a freeware screen capture to make you "map images" PRINTKEY 2000 and it is FREE ,

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/printkey-2000/    CHOOSE THE CORRECT LINK for download here

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here is an update:

I have bought something like what Smurf has suggested.
(In our case since oen can tin ker with the radio volume one can set the audio out level at the proper value and then compensate with radio out/mic in Correct?)s

I have assembled a selection of audio jack, baofeng and Kenwood (my radios) pinouts

I have bought the 2.5 & 3.5mm stereo plugs to make cables to connect the radios to soundcard out/in

Flahdrive collection grew abit more

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here is an update:

I have bought something like what Smurf has suggested.
(In our case since oen can tin ker with the radio volume one can set the audio out level at the proper value and then compensate with radio out/mic in Correct?)s

I have assembled a selection of audio jack, baofeng and Kenwood (my radios) pinouts

I have bought the 2.5 & 3.5mm stereo plugs to make cables to connect the radios to soundcard out/in

Flahdrive collection grew abit more

BUT,without an interface...how will you make them TRANSMIT?

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I do not fuly understand your question, but i had a look at the Simplex App details.
I thought that It would just use the audio in and out, but it turns out it needs to utilize a serial port.
this is the  schematic
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/greekpreparedness/PC_TX_zpsza6iwlyf.png~original
and these are the details/basics
http://www.f6dqm.fr/soft/intercom/readme.txt

So it just became a more complex project. Not unachievable but it requires more time i can spare now.

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I do not fuly understand your question, but i had a look at the Simplex App details.
I thought that It would just use the audio in and out, but it turns out it needs to utilize a serial port.
this is the  schematic
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/greekpreparedness/PC_TX_zpsza6iwlyf.png~original
and these are the details/basics
http://www.f6dqm.fr/soft/intercom/readme.txt

So it just became a more complex project. Not unachievable but it requires more time i can spare now.


Also note that many radios require a push to talk that is a resistance placed in the MIC line...
BUT a VOX EQUIPPED radio can be used for the transmit side (MAYBE),without the serial port controls needed

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first let me correct the link to the http://www.f6dqm.fr/soft/simplex/readme.txt

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Also note that many radios require a push to talk that is a resistance placed in the MIC line...
the scematics will tells us this. AFAIk I am good with the 2 radios I won.

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BUT a VOX EQUIPPED radio can be used for the transmit side (MAYBE),without the serial port controls needed
yep, Maybe....there are 2 ways to fidn out. install the programa nd try it, or have a look at the help file
Or, ask the maker (maybe I should)

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If all else fails,read the directions....I been there too.

My first home built repeater was built for an old Handheld 2 meter ,a scanner...and a hallmark Christmas card with a 555 timer to generate ID every 10 Minutes or so. Cavities are not needed if you use TWO antennas and separate them 100 feet or so.
This page shows the VOX unit I built ,it is easy with LM386 and few parts.

http://www.qsl.net/kd5bur/
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i got a rerly from the SIMPLEX app creator, F6DQM.

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SIMPLEX has an option to work with its own Vox.
Choose Menu/Detection/Audio for that and then set the Silence delay to the
best value (2 seconds is usually the best).
This Silence delay (= Vox delay) must be chosen so that the repeater does
not switch ON/OFF too often when audio disappears and reappears during short
pauses of the repeater user.
You may set your transceiver in Vox mode also but this will not change the
behaviour of SIMPLEX as far as SIMPLEX will check if audio is here or not.

I think that this does not clarify if we can use the VOX feature of the radio for triggering PTT.

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I must say (and all users of SIMPLEX will tell you) that the functionning of
SIMPLEX is much more efficient when using the SQUELCH signal of the
transceiver. This SQUELCH signal tells you clearly if the radio signal is
present or not. When checking audio signal (VOX), you can never tell if the
user has released his microphone or not. Audio disappearance may just tell
you that the user does not speak any more which does not mean that he has
released his microphone ! When using the SQUELCH signal coming from the
radio, you are sure that the user has released his microphone and is no more
on the air

What does he mean by "QUELCH signal"? I thnk he means Squelch Level

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i got a rerly from the SIMPLEX app creator, F6DQM.

I think that this does not clarify if we can use the VOX feature of the radio for triggering PTT.

Without the serial port triggering,the radio's VOX should handle TX OK with just audio on MIC  to cause TX

What does he mean by "QUELCH signal"? I thnk he means Squelch Level

The ROGER BEEP that signals end of transmit

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If I was the boss of your two, I might be inclined to lean into the conservation and ask "what problem are we trying to solve"?   ;)

In seriousness, having a clear problem statement or goal can aid in making better decisions for any project. 

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If I was the boss of your two, I might be inclined to lean into the conservation and ask "what problem are we trying to solve"?   ;)

In seriousness, having a clear problem statement or goal can aid in making better decisions for any project.

We each have our own problem and were hoping to stumble across someone with all the answers.

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Also, we have an imminent communications emergency developing:

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=54668.0

We need a backup internet communications plan  :-[

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Smuf, we are trying to see of we can skip with complex wiring between a computer and a radio.
There is an app that turns the computer-radio combo to a repeater.

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For a portable software solution I use LiberKey. There is a user interface, a large collection of apps, and of course, you can add all of your own stuff.

Good features list on the page below.

Available here: http://www.liberkey.com/en.html

That is all.

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BTW it never hurts daydreaming....
Regarding the App to turn a PC to a repeater, there is another step forward.
A local guy made a DSTAR repeater on a Windows tablet.
It is a ready made solution now, since he has already gone through the issues of extrenal power, PTT etc.

BTW2, after the forum upgarde i will post the results of my collection making

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Here is WMYVOX the Voice Operated Relay that was the heart of my repeater and High Speed Meteor Scatter experiments
almost 18 years ago. It uses a LM386 chip audio amplifier and the output is rectified to DC to power a relay,
the cool part is that 1/2 of the power supply voltage is available on the output without the audio/amplified signal
so the relay kicks into transmit very quickly. A Hallmark Christmas card and 555 chip timer handled ID every 10 minutes .
The VOX unit is capable of HT or mobile radio interface...or PC to Radio interface.



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I suggested the merge....
Split back out, since the topic has become totally HAMmy.  ;D