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Underrated Calibers. Handgun, rifle, shotgun, whatever.
« on: January 23, 2017, 10:32:47 PM »
So what are some underrated cartridges and why.

.260 Remington I think is very underrated great all around North American hunting caliber.

Very accurate easy to shoot great terminal performance and long range potential.


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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2017, 12:10:36 AM »
RIFLES
In a similar vein I really like the 6.5x55 Swede. Doesn't fit a short action but the ballistics are great, 120 gr shoots flat or you can go heavy with 140 or 162 gr.  Lots of bullet selection.  However, it and the .260 are totally eclipsed now by the 6.5 Creedmore, which is good in that at least ONE of the 6.5 cartridges is surging.

I got hooked on the 6.5 when I bought a Swedish Mauser in excellent condition for $120 when they first starting being imported.  More recently I found a Tikka 3 wood in 6.5x55.

I guess the .243 and .270 pretty much wiped out a lot of nice oldies such as .257 Roberts, 7x57, and to some degree 25-06 though that probably is not underrated, just not as popular.  I was very close to getting .260 or 7-08 years ago but ended up with another .30-06 because I found a screaming deal on a Sako A7.

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Most handgun cartridges are selling pretty well, but I think the .41 magnum and .44 Special kind of got left behind.  Thanks to the recent release of the S&W 69 .44mag and Ruger GP-100 .44 Special, I think the .44 spc may make a resurgence.  But I think the GP-100 would be perfect for the .41 mag and I would buy one of they make it.  Most .41 mag revolvers are on the same frame as the .44 mag so it gets overshadowed.  But if the GP-100 can't take the diameter and pressure of the .44 mag, I bet it would do fine with the .41 mag.  And many .357 mag revolvers could probably chamber a .41 Special if that had ever been developed.  I think a .41 Special is the most glaring omission of all handgun cartridges.


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Re: Underrated Calibers. Handgun, rifle, shotgun, whatever.
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2017, 12:14:24 PM »
RIFLES
In a similar vein I really like the 6.5x55 Swede. Doesn't fit a short action but the ballistics are great, 120 gr shoots flat or you can go heavy with 140 or 162 gr.  Lots of bullet selection.  However, it and the .260 are totally eclipsed now by the 6.5 Creedmore, which is good in that at least ONE of the 6.5 cartridges is surging.

I got hooked on the 6.5 when I bought a Swedish Mauser in excellent condition for $120 when they first starting being imported.  More recently I found a Tikka 3 wood in 6.5x55.

I guess the .243 and .270 pretty much wiped out a lot of nice oldies such as .257 Roberts, 7x57, and to some degree 25-06 though that probably is not underrated, just not as popular.  I was very close to getting .260 or 7-08 years ago but ended up with another .30-06 because I found a screaming deal on a Sako A7.

HANDGUN
Most handgun cartridges are selling pretty well, but I think the .41 magnum and .44 Special kind of got left behind.  Thanks to the recent release of the S&W 69 .44mag and Ruger GP-100 .44 Special, I think the .44 spc may make a resurgence.  But I think the GP-100 would be perfect for the .41 mag and I would buy one of they make it.  Most .41 mag revolvers are on the same frame as the .44 mag so it gets overshadowed.  But if the GP-100 can't take the diameter and pressure of the .44 mag, I bet it would do fine with the .41 mag.  And many .357 mag revolvers could probably chamber a .41 Special if that had ever been developed.  I think a .41 Special is the most glaring omission of all handgun cartridges.

Years ago I picked up RCBS reloading dies in .41 and .44 very cheaply at an estate sale.  Think I paid < $20 each.   Maybe some day I'll stumble across a gem at a gunshow or pawn shop.

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2017, 02:20:05 PM »
Maybe nine years ago I bought my son a 6.5 Swedish Mauser. After He put a scope on it he took two deer with it.  When I was buying my Ruger NO.1 in 45/70 the dealer showed me a Remington model 7 in 260 Rem. It love at first sight. I bought it too at the same time.  I feel the 260 Rem. is what the 257 Roberts wanted to be. I have found that my gun will shoot under an inch with four bullet weights when using MR3100. The only bullet I can't get under an inch is the Hornady 129gr.

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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2017, 02:41:21 PM »
That is great, armymars!  The Model Seven is probably one of the most underrated rifles as well. :)  For a long time it was thought you had to have a 22-24" barrel on a hunting rifle.  The Model Seven was one of the few that went shorter.  Now recently we see a surge in sales of short handy rifles with 16"-18" barrels. Maybe the Seven in .260 was just decades before its time.

I don't know why the 6.5 cartridges did not do well in the US, but the Creedmore seems to be finally changing that. More and more bullet selection in that caliber coming out in the last couple of years.

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2017, 04:38:23 PM »
  The 6.5 x 55 Swedish Mauser
44-40
270 Winchester
44 special
45-70 in my leaver Marlin
38 super in my Clark 1911
30 mauser in Walther PP
9MM shotgun SxS English double

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2017, 11:09:27 PM »
Some Great stuff here guys

I would add the 9x23 great round better than 38 super in my opinion. Some loads tail the .357
And in a 1911 or similar frame amazing.

Also the 10mm is making a little comeback but in my opinion should be more popular than the 40s&w

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2017, 11:48:05 PM »
Good ones, 9mmMaster!  We rarely hear of the 9x23 but really that is much better than pushing the 9mm Luger to +P+ pressures I think.  Sort of the modern refinement of the venerable .38 Super.

The 10mm is definitely underrated as you mentioned.  I would have thought it would greatly supplant the .45ACP since they need about the same frame and slide size.  I've been debating about a 10mm Glock, or a 10mm conversion for my G21.  If the SIG P320 comes out with a 10mm option I will jump all over that.  Sometimes I wish I would have gone with the G29 and G20 combo instead of the G23/G22 I started with.

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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2017, 06:09:07 AM »
Up here it's getting more common to see 20 gauge slug guns. We have plenty of "shotgun only" deer areas and a 20 gauge dedicated slug gun with modern slugs and a scope performs very well and accurate for longer range than slugs were really intended. It's skirting the intent of the law a little but the performance is gaining traction.

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Re: Underrated Calibers. Handgun, rifle, shotgun, whatever.
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2017, 06:22:44 PM »
NW pilgrim
Thanks the Glock 10mm are great guns but they have a large grip but if that's not an issue for you and you have medium-Larger hands
The Sig 320 I don't think does but the Sig 220 does and more "normal" size grip.
If it were me ide get the Colt Deta Elite Rail Gun. If I was getting a 10

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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2017, 06:25:15 PM »
And what about the 28ga
Great size I would think it would be more popular than it is.
Great upland game and small game gauge
Can go in a light handy shotgun.
Appreciable gain in payload over a 410

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2017, 09:31:57 PM »
NW pilgrim
Thanks the Glock 10mm are great guns but they have a large grip but if that's not an issue for you and you have medium-Larger hands
The Sig 320 I don't think does but the Sig 220 does and more "normal" size grip.
If it were me ide get the Colt Deta Elite Rail Gun. If I was getting a 10

Yeah, I sold off my gen1 G21 in .45acp long ago because the grip was just a little too much.  Had to keep shifting my hand around as it wanted to rotate toward the trigger. But I recently bought a Gen4 G21 and with the small grip (no grip panels added) it is the perfect size.  Thinking I might just get a 10mm barrel and recoil spring for it and probably go ahead with replacing the extractor and ejector to make it a complete 10mm conversion.  If I want to shoot .45 I'll use my 1911 and then have the G21 as a 10mm.  If I like that enough I may get a gen4 G29 later or the p320 if that comes out in 10mm.

I still would like to get the S&W 69 sometime down the road though as a little brother to my M29.  I love the balance and feel of the 4" M29 in the hand, but it is still a tad heavy to carry in the woods all day.  Might even try out the Charter Arms .44 spc that Carl mentioned as that would be a very handy size and a .44 spc is still a serious chunk of lead.

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Re: Underrated Calibers. Handgun, rifle, shotgun, whatever.
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2017, 03:27:49 PM »
Yeah .44 Special Gets no respect
Maybe because it does not say Magnum on it.

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2017, 03:39:04 PM »
I have to say, I love my 20 gauge shotgun.
With the right load, it'll put the hurt on just about anything.

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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2017, 03:55:21 PM »
Yeah .44 Special Gets no respect
Maybe because it does not say Magnum on it.

But it is SPECIAL....

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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2017, 05:02:09 PM »
Yeah .44 Special Gets no respect
Maybe because it does not say Magnum on it.

Which is odd because it is nearly the same ballistics as the .45ACP: 0.431" 240 gr @ 875fps vs .452" 230gr @ 850fps.  At least nobody calls it the .44 short and weak!

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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2017, 06:22:53 PM »
Which is odd because it is nearly the same ballistics as the .45ACP: 0.431" 240 gr @ 875fps vs .452" 230gr @ 850fps.  At least nobody calls it the .44 short and weak!

I think that may have been the 44 russian..

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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2017, 07:48:25 PM »
No, it is from Hodgdon's reloading page for the .44 spc.  I pretty much keep my 240 gr loads at or below 900fps. If I want hotter loads I load in .44 mag cases.

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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2017, 10:08:49 PM »
The .41 Magnum
Great all around cartridge

One issue the .41 bulletin diameter

I would love to see a 10mm magnum / 40 magnum revolver cartridge with similar or better ballistics than the .41 and for reloaded a much better bulletin selection plus could use .40 dies.

That would be a sweet wild cat. Patent Pending JK

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2017, 04:34:15 AM »
No, it is from Hodgdon's reloading page for the .44 spc.  I pretty much keep my 240 gr loads at or below 900fps. If I want hotter loads I load in .44 mag cases.

I ment the 44 small and weak may have been the 44 russian...your loads and velocities are spot on.

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2017, 08:51:19 AM »
9mm,
  I'm not near my books, but I think a 38/40 comes close.

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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2017, 09:13:42 PM »
No, it is from Hodgdon's reloading page for the .44 spc.  I pretty much keep my 240 gr loads at or below 900fps. If I want hotter loads I load in .44 mag cases.

I use Elmer Keith's .44 Special load, although I use about a grain less powder than he did. I don't bother loading Magnums. I figure if I can't get the job done with a 240gr SWC at 1000-1100 fps, I ought not be shooting at it.

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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2017, 03:20:13 PM »
22 Hornet

It seems like everybody and their brother is talking about the 17 but the hornet beats it hands down.

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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2017, 04:42:41 PM »
45-70  leaver action canon

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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2017, 09:20:31 AM »
Always had a soft spot for .35 Whelen.  Which may be weird.

- It's a bit much gun for deer, but will absolutely plant them in eastern woods hunting ranges.  Likewise capable on anything larger you might encounter.
- brass is easy to find a form from .30-06
- there are several reloads using 125-158gr .357 pistol bullets and pistol powders.  These pop just like a .22, so you can practice with the rifle comfortably a whole lot more.  They hit their mark and easily put down small game to varmints to small deer.

I also have several 16ga shotguns via inheritance.  I can't say they're lacking anything in practical use over their larger-guage brothers

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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2017, 11:40:15 PM »
I totally agree on the .22 Hornet and the 35 Whelen

Awesome Calibers in the opposite end of the spectrum.

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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2017, 03:24:51 AM »
35 remington

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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2017, 11:11:40 AM »

I also have several 16ga shotguns via inheritance.  I can't say they're lacking anything in practical use over their larger-guage brothers

I would rather carry and shoot a 16 than a 12. Less recoil, and I can't tell any difference at all in performance. In all honesty, I think my bird to round count ratio is probably a lot higher with the 16.

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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2017, 09:27:03 AM »
I would rather carry and shoot a 16 than a 12. Less recoil, and I can't tell any difference at all in performance. In all honesty, I think my bird to round count ratio is probably a lot higher with the 16.

My preferred small-game shotgun is an ancient Ithaca 37 with an "adjustable choke" (the thing turns but I'm never sure if it's actually accomplishing anything).

When necessary (and even when not), that thing can shuck out shells with an unrivaled quickness.

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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2017, 11:09:56 AM »
I have and use on occasion a 16 gauge Ted Williams with a Poly Choke...tighten it for tighter patterns..open for slugs.
But prefer the 12 gauge due to variety and cost of shells available.