Author Topic: Measles hysteria NY  (Read 4049 times)

Offline Mr. Bill

  • Like a hot cocoa mojito
  • Administrator
  • Forum Veteran
  • *******
  • Posts: 14521
  • Karma: 1859
  • Trained Attack Sheepdog/Troll hunter
    • Website Maintenance and Online Presence Management by Mr. Bill
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #60 on: May 02, 2019, 09:05:09 AM »
By the way, it looks like the adult campaign is being yanked.   CDC is now saying explicitely not to get boosters.

Do you have a reference?  I can't find this in the news or on CDC's website.

Here's what I did find:

CDC Telebriefing: National Update on Measles (4/26/19, transcript posted 4/29)

Quote
CDC Director Robert Redfield: "...adolescents and adults who have not had measles or have not been vaccinated should get two doses separated by at least 28 days.  People traveling internationally should try to be fully vaccinated at least two weeks before traveling."

Dr. Nancy Messonnier: "Most adults are protected against measles that’s what the science says.  Including people who were born before measles vaccine was recommended and even people who only got a single dose of measles.  We really are focused on adults who are at higher risk and those who are traveling internationally, university students and adults specifically living in these communities that are having outbreaks."

I can't find anything one way of the other about boosters for people who were already vaccinated.

Online iam4liberty

  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 3430
  • Karma: 271
  • New TSP Forum member
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #61 on: May 02, 2019, 10:15:09 AM »
Do you have a reference?  I can't find this in the news or on CDC's website.

Here's what I did find:

CDC Telebriefing: National Update on Measles (4/26/19, transcript posted 4/29)

I can't find anything one way of the other about boosters for people who were already vaccinated.

Here:

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/faqs.html#booster
Q: Do I ever need a booster vaccine?
A: No. CDC considers people who received two doses of measles vaccine as children according to the U.S. vaccination schedule protected for life, and they do not ever need a booster dose

If you’re not sure whether you are fully vaccinated, talk with your doctor.


They also have the related FAQs just above and below that

Q: Am I protected against measles?
A: CDC considers you protected from measles if you have written documentation (records) showing at least one of the following:

You received two doses of measles-containing vaccine, and you are a(n) —
school-aged child (grades K-12)
adult who will be in a setting that poses a high risk for measles transmission, including students at post-high school education institutions, healthcare personnel, and international travelers.
You received one dose of measles-containing vaccine, and you are a(n) —
preschool-aged child
adult who will not be in a high-risk setting for measles transmission.
A laboratory confirmed that you had measles at some point in your life.
A laboratory confirmed that you are immune to measles.
You were born before 1957.

For international travelers, CDC considers you protected from measles if you have written documentation (records) showing at least one of the following:

You received one dose of measles-containing vaccine, and you are an infant aged 6–11 months
You received two doses of measles-containing vaccine, and you are a person 12 months or older
A laboratory confirmed that you had measles at some point in your life
A laboratory confirmed that you are immune to measles
You were born before 1957


Q: I am an adult now but only got one dose of measles vaccine as a child. Do I need a second dose?
A: If you were born after 1957 you need at least one dose of measles vaccine unless a laboratory confirmed that you had past measles infection or are immune to measles. Certain adults may need 2 doses. Adults who are going to be in a setting that poses a high risk for measles transmission should make sure they have had two doses separated by at least 28 days. These adults include

students at post-high school education institutions
healthcare personnel
international travelers
people who public health authorities determine are at increased risk for getting measles during a measles outbreak
If you’re not sure whether you are up to date on measles vaccine, talk with your doctor. More information about who needs measles vaccine.

Offline Mr. Bill

  • Like a hot cocoa mojito
  • Administrator
  • Forum Veteran
  • *******
  • Posts: 14521
  • Karma: 1859
  • Trained Attack Sheepdog/Troll hunter
    • Website Maintenance and Online Presence Management by Mr. Bill
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2019, 02:24:12 PM »
Here:

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/faqs.html#booster

Thanks.

FYI, that text was added to the FAQ page in early 2015 (per archive.org), so it's not a recent change in policy.


How do we know if immigrants aren't bringing in more diseases ? I doubt they would ever admit that one as it's politically incorrect. There are claims that that is where the source in many cases is coming from but I am sure all sorts of news agencies and experts will deny it

The current outbreaks have been traced to Americans who traveled to countries with measles outbreaks, specifically Israel, Ukraine, and Philippines.

Snopes, 4/30/19: Are ‘Illegal Immigrants’ to Blame for Measles Outbreaks Across the U.S.?

If you don't want to believe Snopes, check the links they've provided.

Online iam4liberty

  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 3430
  • Karma: 271
  • New TSP Forum member
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #63 on: May 02, 2019, 03:03:07 PM »
Thanks.

FYI, that text was added to the FAQ page in early 2015 (per archive.org), so it's not a recent change in policy.


The current outbreaks have been traced to Americans who traveled to countries with measles outbreaks, specifically Israel, Ukraine, and Philippines.

Snopes, 4/30/19: Are ‘Illegal Immigrants’ to Blame for Measles Outbreaks Across the U.S.?

If you don't want to believe Snopes, check the links they've provided.

There was a shift in media yesterday.  Before they were strongly urging adults in the birh ranges earlier in thread to get revaccinated.  That changed to articles today. For exanple, from this:

https://amp.local10.com/health/born-before-1989-experts-say-you-may-need-a-measles-booster-shot
Born before 1989? Experts say you may need a measles booster shot

To this:

https://www.silive.com/news/2019/05/battling-the-outbreak-do-i-need-a-measles-booster.html?outputType=amp
Do you need a measles booster shot? Here’s what the CDC says.

Also, Washington and Oregon outbreak has officially been called ended.  And New York state  push to end religious exemptions has been tabled and is considered dead.  So a lot of change this week.

Offline Smurf Hunter

  • Survival Veteran
  • ********
  • Posts: 7172
  • Karma: 334
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #64 on: May 02, 2019, 04:21:01 PM »
What's really BS about this and so many current event social issues, is it's more about frustrating your ideological opponents than actually achieving something.

Most people who are militantly anti-anti-vaxx, aren't overwhelmed with concern for the poor unvaccinated children, rather you often see public ridicule:
https://www.boredpanda.com/anti-vaxxer-vaccination-funny-comebacks/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

We've see anti-gun people suggest NRA members should be shot with their own guns, or other variations on that theme. 

Offline FreeLancer

  • Global Moderator
  • Survival Veteran
  • ******
  • Posts: 6030
  • Karma: 771
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #65 on: May 02, 2019, 08:23:26 PM »
A Scientology owned cruise ship with 300 passengers and crew has been quarantined in St Lucia due to one confirmed case of measles. Ship’s doctor has requested 100 doses of vaccine.

Online iam4liberty

  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 3430
  • Karma: 271
  • New TSP Forum member
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #66 on: May 04, 2019, 07:18:37 PM »
It is fascinating to watch this push by CDC to clarify its position (see bold below).  I  wonder if the media took what was supposed to be a geographically very limited recommendation and blew it up nationally so CDC is now having to pull it back.

https://whnt.com/2019/05/03/cdc-clarifys-adult-mmr-vaccine-recommendations/
CDC clarifies adult MMR vaccine recommendations

ADPH received clarification from the CDC on Friday that provides recommendations for adult vaccine as follows: One dose of MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) or other presumptive immunity is sufficient protection for most U.S. adults born on or after 1957.

Other presumptive evidence of measles immunity includes:

    Born before 1957
    Laboratory evidence of immunity
    Laboratory confirmation of disease

Certain adults are considered at high risk and need two doses of MMR, each dose separated by at least 28 days, unless they have other presumptive evidence of measles immunity, as listed above.

These adults include:

    Students at post-high school educational institutions
    Healthcare personnel
    International travelers

CDC clarification of vaccine recommendations:

    There is no recommendation for an adult catch-up program for persons born before 1989.
    There is no recommendation for vaccination campaigns among adults or individuals in non-affected areas to prevent measles outbreaks.


At this time, the ADPH continues to recommend that infants and children be vaccinated at 12 months and 4 years of age.  From the time a person is exposed to measles, it can take 7-21 days for signs and symptoms to occur, with an average of 10-14 days. People are contagious from four days before the rash develops until four days afterward.

Online iam4liberty

  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 3430
  • Karma: 271
  • New TSP Forum member
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #67 on: May 05, 2019, 09:41:58 AM »
Funny how things are different outside the hype train.  No panic in Curacao.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1002031

WILLEMSTAD, Curacao — Authorities in Curacao on Saturday boarded a ship that arrived under quarantine to start vaccinating people to prevent a measles outbreak.

"We're not that afraid about the disease itself," said Curacao epidemiologist Dr. Izzy Gerstenbluth. "It's about doing what we can do to try to contain the spread of disease, that's all."

Health officials said only those who already have been vaccinated or have previously had measles will be free to leave the 440-foot ship Freewinds, which belongs to the Church of Scientology.

Gerstenbluth told The Associated Press that a small team is assessing more than 300 people aboard the ship, and that the process might take more than a day.

"We will go on board and do our job," he said, adding that authorities have an international obligation to avoid spreading the disease. "If we allow that to happen, measles spreads in places where the risk of severe complications is much bigger, especially when we're talking about poor countries where people have a lower level of resistance."

Online iam4liberty

  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 3430
  • Karma: 271
  • New TSP Forum member
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #68 on: May 05, 2019, 12:11:28 PM »
After losing at appellate level, Rockland County New York asks NY Supreme Court judge to dismiss parents lawsuit to stop precedent from being established.  They have confirmed that they will now respect religious exemptions.  The original order was put in place by Ed Day, a politician who has been taken to court numerous times for antisemitic actions (e.g. https://hamodia.com/2016/06/08/court-filing-ex-commissioner-accuses-ed-day-anti-semitism/).  The court found there was no emergency and rebuked the county for its targetting of religious groups.  The court hearing comes just days after New York politicians tabled efforts to eliminate religious exemptions.

https://amp.lohud.com/amp/3662417002
Measles: Rockland asks judge to dismiss lawsuits vs. emergency order

Rockland County on Friday sought to have a judge dismiss lawsuits challenging its state of emergency declared in the midst of the measles outbreak that barred unvaccinated children from public places including schools and places of worship.

County Attorney Thomas Humbach argued before state Supreme Court Justice Rolf Thorsen that the lawsuits contained technical problems but said he was mainly concerned with preserving the county's legal authority to take steps to protect the public health.
...
County Executive Ed Day declared the emergency March 26...The county has declined to specify the number of active cases.
...
Thorsen halted the declaration on April 5, agreeing with a court challenge that asserted the number of measles cases did not rise to an epidemic or constitute a disaster. Thorsen's ruling was in response to two challenges filed by parents whose children were barred from attending school despite their religious exemptions to vaccinations.

Thorsen's order was upheld April 19 by a state appellate panel.
...
Day subsequently rescinded that order but renewed the state of emergency in a more limited form....This order does not affect anyone with a religious or medical exemption.
...
"Striking the religious exemption altogether is tantamount to adopting a nuclear option where other means of warfare have not proven ineffectual," Sussman's statement reads. "This is morally irresponsible and poor public policy, a plain indicator of the impact of public hysteria on policy-makers."
...
Sussman said doing away with religious exemptions would not put a stop to the hostility directed toward Rockland's rapidly growing religious Jewish population, and said legislation targeting insular minorities had been routinely struck down by the courts.

Online iam4liberty

  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 3430
  • Karma: 271
  • New TSP Forum member
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #69 on: May 11, 2019, 08:10:44 AM »
Meanwhile in Kentucky the chickenpox ban totally backfires.  Student athletes are now purposely getting chickenpox so they can get back to school.  The health officisls are besides themselves while much of the media tries to spin it.  It was a complete self-own by the media as 50% of team already back in class talking about how it was no big deal to have it.

https://www.apnews.com/59044d83135be52a7e9c49df3f84df5f

A student sued because he didn’t want the chickenpox vaccine. Then he got chickenpox

Kunkel’s attorney said preventing the students from going to school fell short of containing the illness.

“Their ban didn’t stop these kids from going to church together,” Wiest said Wednesday. “Their ban is going to be ineffective from the start. The quickest way to get them back to school is to get it naturally.”

The Northern Kentucky Health Department expressed concern over Wiest’s comments about students contracting the virus so they may become immune.

“Encouraging the spread of an acute infectious disease in a community demonstrates a callous disregard for the health and safety of friends, family, neighbors, and unsuspecting members of the general public,” the department said in a statement Wednesday.
...
The CDC recommends against people intentionally exposing children to chickenpox in hope that they get the disease.

When asked if Kunkel regretted not getting vaccinated, Wiest said, “These are people of deep and abiding faith, of strong religious beliefs. At no point in time do they regret not getting vaccinated.”

“They believe this is the right cause. They regret what the health department did.”

Offline Mr. Bill

  • Like a hot cocoa mojito
  • Administrator
  • Forum Veteran
  • *******
  • Posts: 14521
  • Karma: 1859
  • Trained Attack Sheepdog/Troll hunter
    • Website Maintenance and Online Presence Management by Mr. Bill
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #70 on: May 11, 2019, 10:51:06 AM »
https://www.apnews.com/59044d83135be52a7e9c49df3f84df5f

A student sued because he didn’t want the chickenpox vaccine. Then he got chickenpox

One thing I don't understand about that one.  13% of the school's students were infected.  0% of the basketball team was immunized.  There's a rather obvious threat of basketball players carrying the infection to teams from other schools.  So why didn't the school cancel basketball on their own?

The basketball issue, at least, could have been solved long before the health department got involved, if people had taken responsibility for their personal choices.

Online iam4liberty

  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 3430
  • Karma: 271
  • New TSP Forum member
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #71 on: May 11, 2019, 11:18:20 AM »
One thing I don't understand about that one.  13% of the school's students were infected.  0% of the basketball team was immunized.  There's a rather obvious threat of basketball players carrying the infection to teams from other schools.  So why didn't the school cancel basketball on their own?

The basketball issue, at least, could have been solved long before the health department got involved, if people had taken responsibility for their personal choices.

It was contained just like they had done it for decades.. Students who were infected and their families were voluntarily staying home.  Then state health department came in and said no-one without a vaccination could come to school and school functions (despite all of them all coming for Sunday services).  None of them got infected during this time.  But since legal appeal was going to take months the seniors went and contracted it so they could return to school and graduate in a few weeks.  They missed out on the basketball season and prom but they werent going to miss graduation.  Now the athletes in the lower classes are doing it so they dont have to worry about next year.

Of course all of this could be avoided if drug manufacturer and government would just switch to strain not derived from aborted fetus tissue.  That would solve issue immediately as none of these people are anti-vaccine, they have 100% of all the others.  It is just this one.  But for political reasons they wont allow them to use an alternative strain.

So instead, they tell them they can't return to class unless they either violate their religious convictions or come down with the disease.  Then they act surprised when it spreads to over 50% because they are all attending "pox parties".  So unnecessary and stupid.

Offline FreeLancer

  • Global Moderator
  • Survival Veteran
  • ******
  • Posts: 6030
  • Karma: 771
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #72 on: May 13, 2019, 04:10:00 PM »
CDC has updated total 2019 measles cases to 839 as of Friday, up 75 from previous week.

Online iam4liberty

  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 3430
  • Karma: 271
  • New TSP Forum member
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2019, 05:25:35 PM »
Updates:

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/measles-outbreak/scientology-cruise-ship-freewinds-passengers-cleared-measles-risk-church-says-n1005841
Scientology cruise ship Freewinds' passengers cleared of measles risk, the church says
"All passengers and crew (100 percent) of the Freewinds have been fully cleared of any possible risk of being infected by the measles or infecting others," the Church of Scientology said.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/17/new-york-brooklyn-measles-outbreak-orthodox-jewish-antisemitism
Orthodox Jewish communities face antisemitism over measles outbreak

Orthodox Jewish communities in Brooklyn grappling with a measles outbreak say they are now dealing with a second scourge: fear, profiling and antisemitism inspired by the outbreak.

Incidents have piled up in recent weeks as measles cases continued to rise, community leaders say...

Online iam4liberty

  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 3430
  • Karma: 271
  • New TSP Forum member
Re: Measles hysteria NY
« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2019, 11:59:15 PM »
Parents rallying all over the country to exert their rights to make medical decisions for their children.  They are pushing back against changes in vaccination exemptions that make everything unthoughtful, cookie-cutter enforcement that could essentially be death sentences for their children.

https://www.channel3000.com/news/parents-rally-to-call-the-shots-with-vaccines-as-doctor-warns-measles-will-likely-hit-wisconsin/1079055055
Parents rally to ‘call the shots' with vaccines as doctor warns measles will likely hit Wisconsin

Wisconsin United for Freedom, the group that organized the rally Saturday, hopes to raise awareness for various freedoms, including being able to use personal conviction waivers for vaccination.

"We're just here to let it be known that we call the shots as parents and citizens of the U.S.,” said Amber Psket, president and co-founder of Wisconsin United for Freedom.

Psket said after her 2-month-old son had a bad reaction to a vaccine, she wanted more of a say.

“It was really eye-opening to the fact that I didn't even think about it as a parent. It was status quo to vaccinate," she said. “I have an autoimmune disorder. My children are genetically susceptive to harm from vaccinations. I should have the right as a parent to refuse vaccinations without a doctor's note, essentially."

She said the proposed bill eliminating the vaccination personal conviction waiver is one of the main reasons she and other protesters took to the Capitol but added, “it's not a vaccine rally. This is a freedom rally. We're here for all freedoms -- Second Amendment rights, alternative health, holistic health.”

"We just feel like the government is going a little too far and encroaching on our civil liberties and family autonomy,” Psket said.  "We're the parent. We know our kids better than anybody."