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Military vaccination operations
« on: March 30, 2019, 04:13:50 AM »

What concerns you more that people aren’t vaccinated or the extent to which the system will go to push it ?

SWAT team with guns drawn raids Arizona home for toddler with fever


CHANDLER, Arizona -- Video shows a SWAT team raiding a home in Arizona with guns drawn looking for a 2-year-old child with a fever.

The raid came as a result of a fight between the toddler's parents and a doctor over his medical


Townsend says it all started back in February, when the parents took the 2-year-old, who isn't vaccinated, to a naturopathic doctor for a fever of about 105.

The doctor instructed the parents to take the child to the emergency room, but the fever broke after the doctor's visit, so they never went.


Townsend said the child actually had an upper respiratory infection and not meningitis like the doctor had feared.

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Re: Military vaccination operations
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2019, 01:19:18 PM »
I'd like to step back from the incident itself, and discuss the media coverage of it.

This is the perfect viral clickbait story.  On one side, bad parents who won't take their desperately-ill child to the hospital even when their naturopath doctor recommends it.  On the other side, jackbooted thugs with guns, breaking down the door and seizing the kids.

The news media love stories like this.  Plenty of outrage no matter which side you're on.  And they can play up the two sides, and the extreme views, and make believe that this constitutes unbiased journalism.

But wait!  We're not done, because now there are politicians and activists and commentators who all have outraged things to say!  And we lose track of even the original badly-reported story.  For example, the article surfivor linked is not a news story about the incident -- it's an interview with a state representative.  There's only a one-sided thumbnail sketch of the incident itself.

As for the incident itself, it's pitiful that it escalated as far as it did, but based on my reading it seems like both sides were responsible for the escalation.  From the cops' side, they had reason to believe they were rescuing a child with a 105° fever who was in imminent danger and was being denied medical care.  The house was not raided to force vaccinations on the kids, it was raided because the child's doctor was concerned about meningitis!  Meanwhile, Dad was quoting his Constitutuonal rights, and Mom was saying she didn't want to pay for an expensive emergency room visit.

I'm not saying the police and the Department of Child Safety are blameless here.  This could have been handled a lot better.  But I want to remind you about another sick-child incident that turned out much worse:

3 ‘extremist Muslim’ NM suspects released - child died but all charges dropped
...Local prosecutors have alleged that the toddler, Abdul-Ghani Wahhaj, died in December 2017 in a religious ritual carried out because his father believed his son was possessed by demons, and that the child was denied anti-seizure medication or medical care.

Here's an article about the current case, with a lot more details:

Arizona Republic, 3/29/19: Chandler police allege abuse against parents who refused to take feverish child to ER, release video of incident

...under a law that took effect in July, Arizona lawmakers designated limited circumstances for removing a child from their parent without a warrant: The DCS [Department of Child Safety] must have probable cause to believe a child is at imminent risk of harm and there’s no less-intrusive alternative to removal, or DCS must have probable cause to believe a child is a victim of sexual or physical abuse that can only be evaluated by trained medical personnel. ...

[The father] said he didn't answer the door when police knocked because it's his constitutional right not to allow police into his house without a warrant. Police said that DCS obtained a warrant to remove the child for medical care shortly before they busted down the door after warning the parents. ...

Police records released Thursday recommend one count of child-abuse domestic violence for the mother who "failed to obtain further medical treatment for her two year old son, (redacted) after being directed to do so by a doctor and after the doctor expressed concerns that (redacted) could be infected with (redacted)..." She "further refused attempts by police officers and the Department of Child Safety to check (redacted) welfare."

The same charge was recommended for the father, according to police records.

The incident began Feb. 25, when the mother took the 2-year-old boy to the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine clinic...

Concerned that a lethargic child with a fever and lacking vaccinations could have meningitis, the doctor instructed the mother to take the child to the emergency department at Banner Cardon Children’s Medical Center in Mesa...

The doctor called DCS after Banner officials said the mother had not shown up. A DCS caseworker called police asking for a welfare check.

Police over a period of about three hours attempted to convince the father to exit the home and allow them to check on the child, whom a doctor had told them may have a life-threatening condition. ...

At about 11:30 p.m., the caseworker informed officers that DCS planned to obtain a "temporary custody notice" from a judge to remove the child for emergency medical aid. The caseworker "obtained a court order for temporary custody in order to take (redacted) to the hospital.” The order was signed at 12:04 a.m. by Judge Tracy Nadzieja, according to police records.

It was after 1 a.m. when officers kicked down the family’s door. ...