I know that this thread is about the carbines, but I wanted to reference two different reviews abot the SAME exact Hi Point 9mm pistol. In other words, two different people reviewed the same physical pistol. The same one.
The dumb http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/05/benjamin-t-shotzberger/gun-review-hi-point-c9-9mm-pistol/
Read the comments for both articles.
The thing is, HP is a budget brand of firearm, its not a Kimber.
I don't see what a 10O-500 break in period is so bad. I mean I know ammo is getting high, but if you're going to depend on ANY firearm, you should be using it and practicing with it often. 500 rnds isn't that big a deal in IMO, that's just a marginal base line to establish that if some problem exists, where it is. Ammo, shooter, magazine, gun. I simply do not believe that a company that operates and a margin as thin as HP's obviously is when you look at their MSRP, makes something that simply doesn't work and is only useful for showing people how to clear malfunctions.
I'm not trying to pick on you or start a fight here Inbox. Really. I'm not. I simply have a grasp of business and the fact that people won't buy them for very long if they don't work. You can go see videos on the tube that show these hand guns working pretty well despite somethings being done to them that one would never do to something like a Kimber.
I mean you have two of how many that have been made? Have you sent them back, heck even GLOCK makes mistakes, and a faulty piece gets through. I understand wanting complete, no failgod like reliabilty out of a gun, believe me I do, I just realize that at $150, I may have to help it a little and pehaps get to know my weapon before I call it a piece of crap.
I'm not trying to poke at you or start a fight Inbox, I just don't think your experience with two of however many of them are made is enough to write the brand off as crap.
I mean, if you want a gun that will fire sub 1" groups at 100 yds out of the box and never jam, and do it 100 years from now, hi point isn't for you.
If you are looking for something that WILL shoot. And IS accurate. And WILL kill someone if you throw it at them. And WILL require you to get to know your pistol and maybe even how to work on it a little. And DOES have the best warranty ever in the world.
And WILL survive a drop off a balcony, or down some stairs.
And WILL get you made fun of at the range, at least til you show em your paper. And IS LESS than $200 new in box so you CAN afford to shoot it. Well if all that sounds good, maybe, just maybe you might give Hi Point a try. It WONT win beauty pagents! But it IS a GUN.
I'm NOT saying they are the best guns, or the worst guns. I just thing that two samples is poor statistics for the conclusion that they are crap. Again, I'm challenging your conclsion, you your personally Inbox. Its just a little confusing to me to hear such a spread of good or bad with not much in the middle.