Photobucket

Author Topic: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age  (Read 6395 times)

Offline ModernSurvival

  • Just a Desperado Under The Eaves
  • Administrator
  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 3024
  • Karma: 297
  • Liberty is precious, fight to keep it!
    • The Survival Podcast
In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« on: January 18, 2010, 10:39:47 AM »
You just can't make this up, here you go courtsey of Johnny Maxx and the Queen at the Self Sufficient Homestead Podcast.



When people ask why I am not convinced about CO2 based global warming and "all the facts being in" this is one of my primary objections.  I do think we can learn from this though.  We learn the climate changes and we should be prepared for that.

Now if anyone can find the actual article I would LOVE to know what the 51 things are, I bet one has to do with hair spray,  ;)
Jack Spirko

The Survival Podcast

"If some of our teenage thrill seeker really want to go out and get a thrill.  Let them go up into the north west and let them tangle with a Grizzly bear  or Polar bear or brown bear and get that effect that will cleanse the soul".  ~ Fred Bear



Offline phuttan

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 613
  • Karma: 20
  • Evil CO2 Exhaler
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2010, 01:06:46 PM »
I remember all the Coming Ice Age stuff. I was shocked when they switched to Global Warming. I'd ask, "What happened to the coming Ice Age." People would ask what I was talking about. Now I know that climate change is continuous. The Midevil Warm Period and Little Ice Age make that clear. I'll start worrying when someone proves that the climate has stopped changing. That would be something scary. Just remember that change is the natural state. Climate Change has nothing to do man or CO2.

Grow some lettuce, save the world.

Evil CO2 Exhaler
Life is only an outer layer, for reality is only realized by the insane.
-Valleix Herald

Live free, speak the truth, love completely, die hard.

Things change and we roll with it. We get back up and start over. Life goes on.

Offline Roknrandy

  • He That Rocks:Viewer Discretion is Advised
  • Global Moderator
  • Survival Demonstrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 2483
  • Karma: 63
  • Master Spammer Obliterator
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2010, 01:25:17 PM »
Time ran several articles about this in the '70s

Ya know, the more I think about it the madder I get.  Our motto, what we believed down in our heart, went something like this "ye though I walk through the Valley of Death we will fear no evil...for we are the baddest mother strawberry pickers in the Valley".

FAILURE TO PLAN ON YOUR PART DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN EMERGENCY ON MY PART

Offline donaldj

  • Dedicated Contributor
  • ******
  • Posts: 1364
  • Karma: 86
    • Martial Tactical Training of Michigan
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2010, 01:41:40 PM »
Now, I'm not saying this is the case, but it is as if nature occurs in cycles, some people are panicky about that, and some people will exploit ideas for money...     ;D

Hope Al Gore got lots of money while Climate Change was widely believed. I mean, lots of money to supplement the earnings from inventing the internet...
Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world — "No, you move."     -Captain America

See my Examiner.com articles on Emergency Preparations: http://www.examiner.com/detroit-emergency-preparedness-in-detroit/donald-alley

See my Examiner.com articles on martial arts:  http://www.examiner.com/martial-arts-in-detroit/donald-alley

Offline Greywolf27

  • Chief Kitty Petter
  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 2651
  • Karma: 32
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2010, 02:27:01 PM »
After all... wasn't it science FACT for centuries that the world was flat?... and before that the earth was the center of the universe?
*sigh*
"You are your most precious commodity along with those you spend your life with. Time is how you spend that commodity. Dont let anyone spend it for you."    - yrone
The problem with society today: Stupid doesn't hurt anymore.
www.allthingsonmybrain.wordpress.com


Inflateable goat Get him... before he gets you!

Offline ModernSurvival

  • Just a Desperado Under The Eaves
  • Administrator
  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 3024
  • Karma: 297
  • Liberty is precious, fight to keep it!
    • The Survival Podcast
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2010, 03:35:33 PM »
%&^$% stupid arrogant (8&^$+ jerks!

I am so sorry guys I got scammed that cover is a hoax.  Some one photo shopped a recent version on Global Warming, here is the original



I know that one is real because it is on the Time website.  I hate when people do this and you know there is no reason for it.  Check out these two covers, they are 100% verified and on the Time website as well.





Sorry guys I fact check stuff pretty good most times but this one got me.  I figure it got Johnny too!
Jack Spirko

The Survival Podcast

"If some of our teenage thrill seeker really want to go out and get a thrill.  Let them go up into the north west and let them tangle with a Grizzly bear  or Polar bear or brown bear and get that effect that will cleanse the soul".  ~ Fred Bear



Offline inthego

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 762
  • Karma: 18
  • No man is free who is not master of himself..
    • My Biz web site
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2010, 03:54:17 PM »
so what was the 51 things?  Love your Gov? Love Obama?  Love a terrorist? Breath Less?   ::)

www.epguns.com
"George Of Jungle only here to help..."

Offline phuttan

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 613
  • Karma: 20
  • Evil CO2 Exhaler
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2010, 04:11:12 PM »
If all the Al Gore worshiping Manmade Climate Change true believers stop breathing, manmade CO2 emissions will be significantly reduced.

Sorry, I couldn't stop myself.

Grow a carrot, save the world.

Evil CO2 Exhaler
Life is only an outer layer, for reality is only realized by the insane.
-Valleix Herald

Live free, speak the truth, love completely, die hard.

Things change and we roll with it. We get back up and start over. Life goes on.

Offline Shadowrider

  • Survivor
  • ***
  • Posts: 152
  • Karma: 25
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2010, 05:44:15 PM »
I was taught in gov't school that the coming ice age was verified FACT and yes, the cause was hair spray, along with anything else in aerosol cans. I think freon might also have been a cause?? And I recall something about chlorofluorocarbons as well. As a young'un, I was terrified. But when I mention that to folks today, they give me a blank look. Sorry, but I remember it. It was drilled into my peabrain at school. The same indoctrination goes on in gov't schools today because global warming is now the fact. ???

The weather folks can't predict tomorrow's weather accurately, why do we credit them for predicting the weather in 50 years or more?? It's called weather cycles for a reason. But that thinking requires logic, which I'm guessing isn't taught in gov't schools today -- possibly to make room for the all-important subjects of recycling and global warming.  ???

Offline Johnny MAX!

  • Prepper
  • **
  • Posts: 98
  • Karma: 9
  • Johnny MAX & the Queen
    • Self-Sufficient Homestead
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2010, 06:05:08 PM »
I knew about the articles in Time Magazine and at the last minute before recording I looked for the cover. I did not think the date was right, should not have had that big glass of mead, LOL. I will have to say it was not the right cover but a photo shopped one on the next show. Thanks for correcting the info about the cover.
Live Wise Today, Live Well Tomorrow!

Johnny MAX
Self-Sufficient Homestead Show
www.ssHomestead.com

Offline Ian Adams

  • Prepper
  • **
  • Posts: 55
  • Karma: 3
    • Ian C. Adams
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2010, 10:45:54 PM »
Ice age <--> global warming.  I am so confused. 

Hey, whatever happened to the hole in the ozone layer?  Haven't heard about that for a while.
TSP Member's Support Brigade

Anything, Anytime, Anywhere - 7th SFG

“Man can live about forty days without food, about three days without water, about eight minutes without air, but only for one second without hope”
Facebook

Offline volwest

  • Senior Survivalist
  • ****
  • Posts: 237
  • Karma: 20
    • Le survivaliste
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2010, 12:24:01 PM »
"Global climate change" could easily be seen as a tautology, since climate is obviously synonymous with change...but the real debate cannot be on the choice of words (or who endorses them) to describe the ecological impact of our specie on this planet and its consequences.

The way people approach the question of climate change is unfortunate. It is unfortunate because it tends to become political...

When i become conscious of a threat as in someone threatening me with a knife...my mind and my body re-act and act in relation to survival...
In the case of "climate change" we are limited, because our mind learns things, doubts, evaluates the immediate risks, and bets on solutions to come that others will find...and projects visions of scenarios more or less idilic in the end...but our bodies, our organism does not follow. It shrugs and happily pursues its course...as we can see when exposed to the sun for long periods of time (prolonged exposure to the sun can be deadly, yet the body does not recognize an immediate threat and therefore does nothing about it).
Is our body in danger ?
Isn't the sensation of danger intellectual ? Where is the emergency break for our bodies to not continue its fall towards cancers and evolutive or degenerative diseases ?

Here is where "global climate change" becomes interesting.
We know that our actions, our ecological impact is "counter-nature" (think water shortages in California for example)...but our bodies do not know, because we still have "emergency shut-off valves" in place, and more importantly, because today, we eat when we are hungry.

If our "green" revolution was not such snobbism, and a fundamental manipulation of our attention then maybe we as a whole would know. But if we could change certain things...wouldn't have we changed them already ?

If our green or organic revolution remains a theoretical movement, or an intellectual benefit then we are doomed.
In the end, it is the moment to change...not for environmental, political, emotional or intellectual reasons, but to respect our own nature with whom we have lost contact (the promotion of a simpler life, growing our own food etc...).
So maybe, our actions and what we buy will be modified and conscious, and this consciousness would be global, at least for us, in our western countries.
But what about others ?
The world, is others.
And the predicted catastrophes...it is others too.
And our children will curse us...but we already should have cursed our parents, instead of glorifying them and offering them flowered marble tombs.

The mistake here is to talk about warming.
Locally, some will never see a rise in temperature...and of course, in some places the temperature might drop. So how can people believe that there is a "warming" when winter was harsh and they do not have enough money to buy energy...

Instead of saying "stop consuming"...the global idea has become: "keep consuming, but consume "green" or "organic"...therefore you will enriched those that have understood where the new market is.
Even poesy and pornography must become green.
In this way we become guilt free and we continue to push our specie to its demise.
If life was a game, to survive would be the only rule.

Offline phuttan

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 613
  • Karma: 20
  • Evil CO2 Exhaler
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2010, 11:42:13 PM »
The problem with the Green Movement is that it isn't Green. It strives to force solutions that enrich a small group rather than save the earth.

Jack does more to promote good environmental change than the Green Movement. Jack says garden and use permaculture. The Green Movement promotes governmental control and taxes schemes.

If Jack gets 1000 people to grow 100 pounds of produce. That's 100,000 pounds of produce that isn't grown on petroleum dependant farms and transported in gas/diesel trucks. That equals less polution and fossil fuel use.

If Cap and Trade passes, energy/fuel prices will increase. Food prices will increase. Industry will buy carbon credits. Polution stays the same.

Jack brings about more environmental good than the Green Movement.

I NOMINATE JACK FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CSAR.

Pat

P.S. Sorry, I couldn't help screaming.
Life is only an outer layer, for reality is only realized by the insane.
-Valleix Herald

Live free, speak the truth, love completely, die hard.

Things change and we roll with it. We get back up and start over. Life goes on.

willy

  • Guest
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2010, 10:39:18 AM »
  I haven't heard anything about the hole in the ozone either?
I heard a theory on it though, a book I read talked about a missile that was tested above north pole area, that pre-ignited and flashed in the ozone. burning a significant hole in it. The government reaction was to blame it on the peoples hair spray and such. I can't even remember the name of the book now, and i don't even know if it is possible for a atomic reaction to do this, but it was someones thought!
the other thing I have always wondered is when ever you use an electrical motor, don't you create OZONE???

Offline Cool Blue

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 918
  • Karma: 18
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2010, 08:07:31 PM »
  I haven't heard anything about the hole in the ozone either?
I heard a theory on it though, a book I read talked about a missile that was tested above north pole area, that pre-ignited and flashed in the ozone. burning a significant hole in it. The government reaction was to blame it on the peoples hair spray and such. I can't even remember the name of the book now, and i don't even know if it is possible for a atomic reaction to do this, but it was someones thought!
the other thing I have always wondered is when ever you use an electrical motor, don't you create OZONE???


After CFCs were banned the hole actually started repairing itself, which is note-worthy because the climate experts predicted that it would take decades before it started shrinking.

Unfortunately the shrinking hole in the ozone layer is now...you guessed it...being blamed for increasing global warming!
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.- Optimus Prime

Offline Cool Blue

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 918
  • Karma: 18
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2010, 08:16:28 PM »
The problem with the Green Movement is that it isn't Green. It strives to force solutions that enrich a small group rather than save the earth.

Jack does more to promote good environmental change than the Green Movement. Jack says garden and use permaculture. The Green Movement promotes governmental control and taxes schemes.

If Jack gets 1000 people to grow 100 pounds of produce. That's 100,000 pounds of produce that isn't grown on petroleum dependant farms and transported in gas/diesel trucks. That equals less polution and fossil fuel use.

If Cap and Trade passes, energy/fuel prices will increase. Food prices will increase. Industry will buy carbon credits. Polution stays the same.

Jack brings about more environmental good than the Green Movement.

I NOMINATE JACK FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CSAR.

Pat

P.S. Sorry, I couldn't help screaming.

The problem with the Green movement is that it's been co-opted by the socialists.

Rather than promote solutions that increase liberty and self-reliance they are cultishly dedicated to things that will make us more reliant on the government.

For example, here in Ontario, Canada the government announced a 7 billion dollar deal with Samsung to build windmills.

7 BILLION!

There are only 4 million households in Ontario.

They could have just given the money to people to put up their own solar panels and windmills on their home.  That money would have stayed locally instead of going to some asian corporation.

Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.- Optimus Prime

Offline phuttan

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 613
  • Karma: 20
  • Evil CO2 Exhaler
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2010, 10:13:52 PM »
The problem with the Green movement is that it's been co-opted by the socialists.

Rather than promote solutions that increase liberty and self-reliance they are cultishly dedicated to things that will make us more reliant on the government.

For example, here in Ontario, Canada the government announced a 7 billion dollar deal with Samsung to build windmills.

7 BILLION!

There are only 4 million households in Ontario.

They could have just given the money to people to put up their own solar panels and windmills on their home.  That money would have stayed locally instead of going to some asian corporation.




I'm all for wind/solar energy. I also agree that it is better done locally, house by house, business by business.

I miss the days when I belonged to eco-groups. It sucks that they went in the current direction. We could of made our lives better and led by example. I can't understand why people want to bring government in to it. They mess up everything.

Government regulating dangerous polutants. YEAH

Government thinking they can control climatic fuctuations. WHAT THE BEEP

Grow a potato, save the world.

The Evil CO2 Exhaler
Life is only an outer layer, for reality is only realized by the insane.
-Valleix Herald

Live free, speak the truth, love completely, die hard.

Things change and we roll with it. We get back up and start over. Life goes on.

Offline Cool Blue

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 918
  • Karma: 18
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2010, 06:15:09 AM »
Another example of the greenies messing things up around here:

Here in Ontario we were going to build a new nuclear plant in the mid-80s.  The greenies fought it big-time so instead the government build a coal-fired plant which is now the #1 source of air pollution and CO2 in all of Canada!

To make matters worse, for the last 8 years or so the government has been trying to install scrubbers on these coal plants, however the greenies want them closed and/or converted to natural gas so they're fighting it.  As a result, we could have had scrubbers and cleaner air over 8 years ago but the greenies prevented it.
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.- Optimus Prime

Offline phuttan

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 613
  • Karma: 20
  • Evil CO2 Exhaler
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2010, 02:04:40 AM »

To make matters worse, for the last 8 years or so the government has been trying to install scrubbers on these coal plants, however the greenies want them closed and/or converted to natural gas so they're fighting it.  As a result, we could have had scrubbers and cleaner air over 8 years ago but the greenies prevented it.

If scrubbers are added and work, it makes it harder for the eco-wackos to win. If they can succeed in preventing the creation of a cleaner coal plant, they will. The truely environmental thing to do is to add the scrubber and then work for convertion to gas when it needs to be rebuilt later. At some point the plant will need to replace furnaces or large components. That would the time to convert. I think I'm saying it wrong. They should push for a cleaner coal plant now and then push for plans to switch it over at the most economicly feasible point.

Pat
Life is only an outer layer, for reality is only realized by the insane.
-Valleix Herald

Live free, speak the truth, love completely, die hard.

Things change and we roll with it. We get back up and start over. Life goes on.

Offline Cool Blue

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 918
  • Karma: 18
Re: In 1977 Time Magazine Warns Us Prepare For An Ice Age
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2010, 07:19:08 AM »
Yep, you said it fine.

That's exactly the problem.
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.- Optimus Prime