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Offline LdMorgan

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Re: Pay attention ladies! Almost accosted at Walmart this evening...
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2010, 03:16:23 PM »
...One thing I do, is make it a habit to carry my keys wrapped in my fist with a key sticking out between a finger or two, so I can scratch or stab with it.

Just got to jump in here. Don't mean to hijack the thread.

Keys held between the fingers to make a "spike-fist" are almost worse than useless. The more keys, the worse that works.

Take just one key--the biggest one on the bunch--and hold it firmly between the thumb and the side of your forefinger, like a little dagger.

You can point it in the direction of your thumb or 90 degrees inward, toward your body--however you like.

Here's the proof of the pudding: Buy a watermelon, and stab the snot out of it with you dagger-key--about twenty times. Get medieval on it.

You'll find you can sink your "dagger-key" to the hilt with no trouble at all--and do it fast and with great accurately.

People aren't much tougher than a watermelon, when you get right down to it.

Try the same thing with a fist-full of keys, and you'll see the difference. But start off easy so you don't hurt your fingers too much.

Pointed straight ahead, the dagger-key goes in an eye, up a nostril, or directly beneath the nose (into the philtrum). It can also go into the throat--aim for the Adam's apple, or the hollow at the base of the throat.

Either way, drive it in deep.

Pointed sideways, the key goes in the side of the neck (dead center), into an ear canal, just behind the ear, into the temple, or into the side of the face just under the cheekbone. (That's to hit a really sensitive facial nerve. It can make a big strong man faint in an metric instant.)

Always sink it to the hilt, twist it, and then sink it a few more times, fast & hard.
Work it like an enraged woodpecker.

Don't stop until he's incapacitated. VERY incapacitated. In fact, don't stop til both your arms are tired. Then just rest your arms a bit while you're kicking him.

The police will eventually ask you to stop.

A man will not be surprised by a spike fist. Chances are you'll never reach his face with it. Or do more than anger him if you do. A single key doesn't look dangerous, but it puts a lot more force on target a LOT faster.

A spike-fist is usually brandished in warning. (BAAAAD tactic!) A dagger-key should be felt several times before it is seen even once.

You can carry a "special" key on your keyring just for self defense. Sharpen it on the end, and you can slash with it like a box-cutter, too.

A man kidnapped a woman out of a busy parking lot in my city a few years ago. He raped and murdered her.

Later, I heard two women talking about how they had walked right past the perpetrator just before he struck, and recognized him as a major threat.

One woman said she just closed her eyes and started praying it wasn't HER he was after, and kept on walking.

The other one said she got her keys ready in her fist...and kept on walking.

The first woman was a tailor-made victim. The second was almost as helpless. They both got off lucky--that time. Neither one should have walked past the threat, so putting the probable attacker behind them.

As for prayers... In a situation like that, are usually only answered by the Head Office when hand-delivered in writing on the last Tuesday of the following month.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled thread...


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Re: Pay attention ladies! Almost accosted at Walmart this evening...
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2010, 03:27:54 PM »
Lvs - Chiming in to say that I'm glad you're OK after that scare.  I commend you for being aware of your surroundings and for thinking about your safety (i.e. knowing how your car door locks work and for having the pepper spray).  You were right to trust your intuition and ALL of us need to remember that, even if makes you feel a little paranoid later.

After several law enforcement trainers suggested reading it, I picked up Gavin de Becker's The Gift of Fear which speaks directly to the matter of listening to our intuition about such things.  Far more often than not, it is correct and should be considered.  I was so impressed with the book, I bought every copy at my local bookstore and gave them to important ladies in my life.

As stated earlier, every woman is potentially at risk, so take steps accordingly.  That doesn't mean be paranoid - you're at risk every time you drive a car on the highway, but you know that, and adjust behavior accordingly.  Your personal safety is no different, and you're way ahead of most in being on guard already.

As for calling 911 or the regular police number, another choice may have been to call the store and let their people approach the guy to see what he's about.

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Re: Pay attention ladies! Almost accosted at Walmart this evening...
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2010, 07:53:23 AM »
Passing on what we have been told by the local PD, when in doubt, call 911 and let them figure out if you are wrong or right. 

LVS, I'm with you, when your gut is telling you that someone/thing is off often its because something is wrong.

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Re: Pay attention ladies! Almost accosted at Walmart this evening...
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2010, 08:21:50 AM »
So glad you're safe and ok.  ;)  Having had a similar experience, after ensuring my own safety, I did choose to call the police.  There's not much they can do but chase the guy away, but I'd hate to have to live with the knowledge that the next woman in his sights wasn't as lucky as I and her assault/death plastered on the front page of the paper the next day.  That would leave an awful knot in the gut to have to live with.  At least I would know I did what I could.  Just a thought.

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Re: Pay attention ladies! Almost accosted at Walmart this evening...
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2010, 05:04:58 PM »
some time has passed, but to follow up... I did take a weapons course and have completed the requirements for a CHL. I just have to finish up the paperwork (either in TX or later in GA), after which I'll be carrying as much as possible. I still think the best way to avoid a bad situation is to not be there, however, so my Walmart evening trips are done (even if it is less crowded then).

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Re: Pay attention ladies! Almost accosted at Walmart this evening...
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2010, 05:28:56 PM »
If your gut tells you to be afraid or wary, then you listen to it and act accordingly.  Never, ever disregard your gut reaction.  Intuition is a survival mechanism that has been with us since the beginning.

I read a book where intuition was explained in scientific terms.  I don't know if this guy was right or not, but it makes sense.  He said your subconscious sees and catalogs more than your conscious mind.  This would include things like body language or anything out of place in your surroundings--like a reflection on a chrome bumper of a guy crouched beside two cars so he can surprise attack you.  Your subconscious mind recognizes the danger but has no way to warn you in clear and exact terms the way your conscious mind does.  So, when your subconscious mind recognizes a threat all it can do to warn you is give you an uneasy feeling.  This is your cue to really pay attention to your surroundings and ready yourself to take action, if necessary.


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Re: Pay attention ladies! Almost accosted at Walmart this evening...
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2010, 09:44:13 PM »
Good on your head for completing the course ... now get that paperwork in!!

About 18 years ago, I had a similar experience.  We lived outside a very small town in eastern NC.  The area was generally safe until harvest time and migrant workers came to work the fields.

I was at Wally World with my two children (4 & 5) and pregnant.  I noticed the same guy would alsays be at the end of aisles where I was shopping.  It really spooked me. The last thing I picked up was some pepper spray.  At the register, I told the cashier what was going on and asked her if she would have the manager step outside and watch that we got to our car safely.  I didn't want an escort, just a witness.

As I went outside (without the manager), the guy was hanging around the front of the store.  I walked confidently, but quickly (with the children inside the cart).  I flet someone following me and turned around and it was the same guy.  I shouted at the top of my lungs, " Quit following me! I don't know you!"  The look on the guys face was priceless. I don't think he expected to be confronted.  I heard the manager shout, "Hey you!" and the guy took off at a run.

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Re: Pay attention ladies! Almost accosted at Walmart this evening...
« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2010, 11:00:45 PM »
Excellent... what a great way to handle it. Thanks for sharing that story.

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Re: Pay attention ladies! Almost accosted at Walmart this evening...
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2010, 12:03:08 AM »
I love WalMart late at night, very few people and the ones that are there are such interesting looking characters but now that DH can't go in with me due to his disabilities I gave it up. I really don't want to shoot someone in a public parking lot but I would if I felt I had no choice.