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Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« on: January 08, 2009, 12:30:59 PM »
We are all familiar with Beans/Bullets/Band-aids. We discuss our food stores, our preparations for the coming cold times. We plan to
bug in or bug out, we keep out BoV's gassed up and ready to roll.

        But we've missed something. We've missed something large. It takes up half the day. Can you guess what it is?

        It's the night. And the most common activity done at night (minds out of the gutter please) is SLEEP.

        Preps are great, but if you have to be off your guard for hours at a time, unprotected, unwatched, bad things can happen. No one can stay awake all the time. And the time when people mostly sleep is the night, which is also a good time for BG's to do their nefarious deeds.

        So where is there to do? You can setup electronics, but these are not perfect, can fail, require power, etc. They also do not have the human element, the lizard brain that can tell when something is not right. Share the responsibility when there is an emergency. Have other people near to watch while you sleep. Get some animal helpers. Get a few dogs, a few geese (dogs will eat poisoned meat, I don't think geese will). Spread the chore of sleeping. Keep your family, your friends, and yourself, safe.


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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2009, 12:48:46 PM »
When this question was raised on the ZS boards, my solution was to get some fishing line, some stakes, some bells and rig up something to wake you should anything come near.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2009, 04:40:14 PM »
the only problem with that is, after many hours of no sleep, at least for me, once i fall asleep i sleep hard.
i work in the information technology world and have to pull week long oncall shifts. there have been times
that after being up all night and day and falling asleep, even having the phone right by my bed i slept right
through a phone call or text page.

house wise, one thing i toyed with was pop cans. drive a large finish nail in the door frame just above the door itself. add
a dozen or so nuts/bolts/rocks to the can, flip the tab up and slide it over the nail. the can hangs down in front
of the door so when the door opens, it pushes the can off the nail and it falls 6 ft to the ground. pretty noisy.
you could rig it up to a window too.
however as stated above, if sleep deprived enough, i would probably sleep through that as well.

then i thought of somehow incorporating a small marine airhorn i saw at walmart, just haven't played with that yet.

as far as woods, like bigdan said, fishing line or other cordage strung out with bells, tin cans with rocks, triggered flares, etc.
i remember seeing something that uses shotgun shell blanks attached to a tripwire...that would be sweet too.

for the property, i agree geese are a great idea, loud, aggressive, territorial.

i am currently looking into a dog or two. on top of the bark, they have some serious hearing and can just sense
when something's out of the norm. and some will defend with their life. many reasons they're called mans best friend.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2009, 04:51:01 PM »
Well, as someone who has chronic insomnia and only sleeps a couple hours a day, I feel safe in saying I'll get all the sleep I need when I'm dead.  I sure hate that the rest of you have to worry about sleeping. :P

Seriously though, we have inside dogs & outside dogs.  I've never discouraged them from barking...which can be annoying sometimes.  Most of the time though it serves to let us know something is going on & gives us a heads up that someone is either in the yard or moving around the property.  After you get to know a dog's various barks it's easy to tell whether it's a serious bark or a "damn bird get out of my food bark".

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2009, 07:38:47 PM »
Its pretty hard to beat several good dogs. Poisoned meat could be effective, It would be difficult to get close enough to give it to my dogs with out them going nuts. When you are familiar with your dogs you can tell sort of whats going on by the way the dogs act and bark. My dogs have a bark I hear every night that is a response to coyotes and Javalina moving through the property. When a car is coming up the road its a totally different bark. I can easily tell if my dogs are interacting with wildlife or other dogs or if someone is coming up the road without having to look. I can also tell when my dog Nona is "bluffing" , trying to sound tough but scared. It not a perfect system but the more you work with it the better it gets. They have a psychological factor as well. They are calming to have in an emergency and can help you feel safe and relax a bit. Bad guys don't like em.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2009, 07:57:48 PM »
Be careful with the poisoned meat.  W just pardoned a hardened criminal that was doing time for accidentally killing a couple bald eagles.  It was intended for coyotes.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2009, 08:48:36 PM »
Claymore, they were saying that if someone wanted to defeat their protective dogs, they may be able to do so by giving them poisoned meat, not to use it themselves...

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2009, 09:08:35 PM »
Correct Dan. I was saying that someone could poison watch dogs to get past them. Not that I was going to do it.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2009, 09:18:22 PM »
Pardon me.  I experienced a terminal cranial rectal inversion.

Dogs would work well.  The more the merrier.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2009, 10:35:33 PM »
No problem Claymore, I have those all the time...... Grey hair after all...

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2009, 11:44:16 PM »
yeah dogs are good for lots but to many are harder to feed in the bad times and thay need your time.one or two are good.Im sorry that u have to worry about this proplem i bleave if u make it in my home past my dog the only thing u will find with me being there is a shotgun.any one even walk around here she wakes up. ;D

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2009, 06:56:55 AM »
But the good thing is that dogs can scrounge for food if it comes to that.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2009, 12:05:13 PM »
But the good thing is that dogs can scrounge for food if it comes to that.
and if it got real bad.. Nah, not going there... Nothing..... Never mind.. Go to a different post...

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2009, 12:27:58 PM »
I remember seeing something that uses shotgun shell blanks attached to a tripwire...that would be sweet too.
Only problem is that once used, it's gone.  Bells will keep on ringing after your "alarm" has been triggered.  =-]

I had also considered running the system to a flare gun with a parachute flare, but then I realized the problem with limited supply.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2009, 12:32:44 PM »
Interestingly enough I have a large bell that sits on my side of the door when I sleep. I lock my door also. Someone jiggles the handle and the bell will ring loudly. I usually will wake up if I hear something different in my enviroment. I guess that is a good thing. I don't worry too much that I will miss hearing it. I want to set up similar things on my other doors into my house.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2009, 01:24:16 PM »
Finally, a legitimate use for "more cowbell". ;D

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2009, 02:00:11 PM »
Anyone else found that they sleep much lighter when under stress? I had a vehicle broken into in my driveway one night and slept through it. The scumbag broke out the window not 30 feet from my bedroom window in the middle of the night and I didn’t wake up. After that happened I was so mad about it for the next year if someone dropped a feather on the sidewalk across the street I think it would have woke me up. I didn’t sleep very deeply for a long time after that. I was wondering what you think about stress and how it would affect you heavy sleepers.

As for preparations in the home I would probably just stack stuff up against the door that would fall over if someone tried to open it. I usually have a few grocery bags full of empty bottles and cans around for recycle and such and they make a lot of noise when you move them or knock them over so that would probably work for me without being too convoluted. Outside the home I would probably run a trip wire when alone as well as being well concealed. If I was with any of my friends or family we would sleep in shifts. I frequently go for 20 hours with little problem and have gone much longer before but I could definitely tell I was suffering from deprivation.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2009, 02:50:03 PM »
Before kids, I used to sleep straight through the night w/o waking up. Now I wake up a lot. I hear a noise, figure out what it is, fall back asleep. I might be getting 6 hrs a night, but it's broken... No wonder I'm tired.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2009, 04:06:19 PM »
Finally, a legitimate use for "more cowbell". ;D

You get a +1 just for that statement. Indeed, what this house definitely needs is more cowbell.

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2009, 04:30:17 PM »
I've got these inexpensive door/window alarms on all my doors and ground level windows.  They're loud as hell when you forget to turn them off while letting the dog out  :o

http://www.amazon.com/GE-56789-SmartHome-Wireless-Window/dp/B00032CIJQ

I'm contemplating subscribing to a home security service, but I'm still on the fence.  For now, these will give me enough of a notice to grab my piece...

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Re: Food, Water, Shelter, and Zzzzzzz's
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2009, 05:26:55 PM »
I'd say that your window is almost a little too late. You need to know when the MZB are just crossing your outside perimeter.