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Trusty Mutsi

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Why bother? (Playing devil's advocate)
« on: September 26, 2008, 10:29:05 AM »
I'm taking my first baby steps towards being at least 50% self sufficient, starting with the home drill, learning how to start a campfire, doing some camping instead of playing video games, and buying a firearm. I'm totally on board with surviving.

But I have this little voice in the back of my head that keeps going through this scenario:

Okay, Let's say it's 2 years from now and I've done a LOT towards being 50% self sufficient, actually have some land in the back woods, I've hooked up with a community, and will be able to get by for at LEAST a month or two, hopefully longer. I have a shotgun/rifle as well.

Then 5-10 grasshoppers who didn't prepare find and storm my home and take everything.

Am I naive in thinking that pretty much any scenario will eventually end like this? I'm not trying to be antagonistic at all about this, or cynical. I'm pretty sure I'm just still very uneducated or naive, seeing as how my interests for most of my life have been wasted on playing video games and messing with the computer, and any marketable skills are in my artwork, so I really have no survival skills or experience. Almost everything Jack talks about (economy, descriptions of firearms, survival equipment) goes largely over my head, and I need to re-listen or google it.

So I said all that to say, I realize I'm probably missing something here, like making sure you're hooked up with a community of like-minded people who will look out for each other.

I still wanted to bring up the scenario and see what everyone thinks.

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Re: Why bother? (Playing devil's advocate)
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2008, 10:42:55 AM »
I don't think that is an unreasonable scenario to consider, but it's also something you can plan for.
In fact I personally believe part of having preps is having the means and a plan to defend them.

Some Suggestions:
- Make your property and home more defensible.
- Have a way to secure your supplies.
- Cache some supplies somewhere on your land in case you have to flee your residence.

Your best defense maybe hiding the fact that you've got preps.

-- Jeremy

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Re: Why bother? (Playing devil's advocate)
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2008, 10:59:33 AM »
Yeah, the threat of being overrun and kicked out of your ant hill is something you should consider.  Caching at least a BOB with good survival gear may be the best option.  Put a pistol, ammo, collapsible rifle (or disassembled one), etc. in there for your protection out in the wild as well.  If they get lazy, you may be able to retake your property, but don't put yourself in unnecessary harm.  It will most likely be best to cut your losses and move on.  You're a survivalist and you can get by on whatever you have available to you.  =-]

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Re: Why bother? (Playing devil's advocate)
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2008, 03:58:34 PM »

 How can you really protect your stuff when you are not around ? Suppose you have to go someplace for a few days, someone could break in when you are not there or even while you are at work, out buying groceries or something. I guess you could be creative in where you put stuff, hide it in places, inside of secret chambers in the walls.


 How could you have some sort of outdoor cache that would be protected from moisture and so on ? Maybe you could have some sort of large chest in an underground vault with a trap door entrance at ground level.

 The more society breaks down, the more challenging it could get to try to protect yourself. You could be injured or spend alot of energy worrying that the guy you wounded who was on your property might come back in the middle of the night. If you have to worry about people coming into your house and robbing you, you might not be able to sleep very well at night.

 Even the police could become corrupt and expect people to pay bribes to get off of false charges of speeding and so on. You could have all this food and survival gear loaded into your car and headed off to Idaho and the police might stop you and try to take your stuff away.




 
 

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Re: Why bother? (Playing devil's advocate)
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2008, 05:16:57 PM »
My Dad used to say "Won't nothing get a duck in trouble but his bill."  Keep your mouth shut about what you have.  Cache important items in 3-4 different spots.  If they show up, try to look like you are sick and starving to death.  Lead them to the obvious cache, and cry that they are taking all you have.  Don't put all your eggs in one basket.  You can be in a community of like minded people without giving them a full inventory of your store.

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Re: Why bother? (Playing devil's advocate)
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2008, 07:07:10 PM »
I'm taking my first baby steps towards being at least 50% self sufficient, starting with the home drill, learning how to start a campfire, doing some camping instead of playing video games, and buying a firearm. I'm totally on board with surviving.

But I have this little voice in the back of my head that keeps going through this scenario:

Okay, Let's say it's 2 years from now and I've done a LOT towards being 50% self sufficient, actually have some land in the back woods, I've hooked up with a community, and will be able to get by for at LEAST a month or two, hopefully longer. I have a shotgun/rifle as well.

Then 5-10 grasshoppers who didn't prepare find and storm my home and take everything.

Am I naive in thinking that pretty much any scenario will eventually end like this? I'm not trying to be antagonistic at all about this, or cynical. I'm pretty sure I'm just still very uneducated or naive, seeing as how my interests for most of my life have been wasted on playing video games and messing with the computer, and any marketable skills are in my artwork, so I really have no survival skills or experience. Almost everything Jack talks about (economy, descriptions of firearms, survival equipment) goes largely over my head, and I need to re-listen or google it.

So I said all that to say, I realize I'm probably missing something here, like making sure you're hooked up with a community of like-minded people who will look out for each other.

I still wanted to bring up the scenario and see what everyone thinks.

Well, to do what we do (prepare for any contingency), you have to be a little antagonistic &/or cynical.    Let's face it, most of us aren't willing to be led around by the nose anymore & believe everything we hear being spewed by all the various media outlets.  Most of us are sick of the little control mechanisms that every day life has been mined with, we do what we do because we're tired of just going along.  I think we do it because at the core, not only is it about being prepared, but it's also about living the life we choose, not about living the life society says we should. 

The best thing you can do is what you're doing now, educating yourself.  Read as much as you can & apply what works for you.  You don't have to do everything all at once.  Start out with putting a little food back every payday, figure out what storage method works best for your present location & recognize when the opportunities arise to better your position.
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Re: Why bother? (Playing devil's advocate)
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2008, 05:25:07 AM »
Being what I call a small mouthed anarchist is the best course.  Keeps you from being talked about by your neighbors.   One of the books I read years ago and used when I built my first house in El Paso was entitled "How to hide anything"  Included in the book was how to hide a house.  Put your house off the road and behind trees and scruffy shrubs.  I was a weekend traveler to my farm for years and my neighbor across the road didn't know there was " a house back there".

As far as the survival podcast ideas I think the casts project the right idea.  A return to the country.  Jefferson was right all along.  This is really an interesting time to be alive as we no longer need the centraized life of urban centers and factories.

If times get tough,  and they will. Anything provided by the government will be rationed so we need to think about providing for ourselves.  As Rand said "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for yourself"


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Re: Why bother? (Playing devil's advocate)
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2008, 02:12:49 PM »
Buy a few bucket of cheap ass corn and wheat.

Hide most everything else.

If you get raided or even just asked to help, offer to "share" some of what you have

If they take some and go on, you helped.

If they steal it all, do society a favor and put some rounds into them and bury them on the back 40.  ;)

The answer is you can't be sure what you store wont' be stolen, seized, go bad, etc.  What I call tell you though is having something to feed yourself with and keep yourself warm and dry with to defend and worry about loosing, sure beats the hell out of the alternative.
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