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Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« on: January 20, 2009, 10:30:12 AM »
Just published today's show, hope it starts some discussions here on the new airsoft board.

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/episode-126-airsoft-and-airguns-for-training-and-practice
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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2009, 11:04:20 AM »
Jack,

Decent episode.

For folks using airsoft or simunitions in part of their training curriculum, here's some great reference materials that are available and filled with useful info to keep your survival training reality based, and transition well to the real world...

Training at the Speed of Life, Vol. 1: The Definitive Textbook for Police and Military Reality Based Training

http://www.amazon.com/Training-Speed-Life-Vol-Definitive/dp/0976199408

Reality-Based Gunfighting by Gabe Suarez

http://www.onesourcetactical.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=471&HS=1

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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2009, 05:32:59 PM »
I'm listening to the podcast as I type! I try to airsoft every week, and think it's a great way to train and be prepared. Although they aren't highly accurate, airsoft guns are a great way to introduce people, especially kids, to gun safety and use.
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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2009, 08:04:17 PM »
I learned about this podcast from a friend of mine who emailed me about this (he's the "Xmas stocking maker")

Excellent Podcast on airsoft.  Training with airsoft has been covered numerous times from a variety of sources ranging from police trainers to magazine writers to self-proclaimed 'airsoft training experts".  However, you have been able to break down and distill very clearly the advantages of using airsoft for teaching gun safety, shooting fundamentals, and tactical principles. 

The connection between airsoft and the 2nd amendment is often overlooked or poorly presented in somewhat paranoid terms.
Your explanation analogy for how airsoft is importantly intertwined with our second amendment rights is the best and clearest that I have heard. 

Here's our LE sales page which basically outlines some of the methods of usage that LE agencies have used the airsoft guns for as well as a quoted email from a state police tactical team leader.
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/index.php?main_page=infopages&pages_id=44&zenid=2937df6e87bd7e3db143dbcbab104877

Now that I know about this podcast, I look forward to listening to more podcasts of your various timely topics in the future.

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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2009, 06:20:06 AM »
Aw crap, more fun  shit to buy.

I actually have a couple of spring powered Grocks...they're great for shooting the neighbors cats.  I mean...they seem like they would be.
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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2009, 11:10:25 AM »
Thanks so much for the kind words bruiser!  I am passionate about many things and gun ownership is a big one.  Many outside the shooting sports that are very liberty minded just don't see how critical gun ownership is in a fee NON DEPENDENT society.

Our mission as responsible shooters (be it airsoft, slingshots, bows and arrows or 460 Weatherby Magnums) needs to be to educate, train and create more responsible shooters.

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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 10:26:19 PM »
Consistent safety education is what's lacking in airsoft currently.  Since airsoft is easy to get, there are many uneducated, though not necessarily irresponsible, shooters in the sport.  I hope that with education such as yours, real shooters will embrace airsoft products and the hobby and help educate airsoft enthusiasts that may become future gun enthusiasts and hunters.

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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 12:34:38 PM »
I loved that Airsoft episode, but there's a few things I think I could add.

First off, most airsoft guns are made in China. They don't care about copyright laws there, so most guns are, externally anyway, exact duplicates of real guns, even down to serial numbers in some cases. When buying guns online, realize that the "stores" selling them markup the guns different amounts, and they all have to be imported. So when one dealer is out of a gun, most other dealers will be too. Also real accessories, like lights and bipods, will fit on these guns. As far as ammo capacity goes, "small cap" mags can be purchased. These really enhance the realism of the guns because it limits your ammo to 30 rounds per mag instead of the unreal 300+ rounds in the "high caps".

I recommend playing airsoft with others sometime too. It provides invaluable experience. You learn people's reactions to confrontations, tactics, proper safety, communication skills, the list goes on and on. If anyone has more questions I'd be happy to answer them to the best of my knowledge.
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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 11:35:01 AM »
I have been wanting to get the miss to shoot for sometime but she has always said not only no but HELL NO!!! Well over the years it has been getting softer to the other day her mom said she wanted me to teach her to shoot and get a pistol herself. That changed the miss mind all together. Add that on with the Airsoft show that Jack put on and this could all come together very nice for me. I have a 9mm and that is the kind the miss's mom wants also.
So I am going to get one of these to teach shooting.

Can you reuse the pellets? I am going to set up a little target in the garage with some carpet behind the target and a little trough to catch the pellets. That way I can also practice while the wind is blowing in Wyoming in the winter. (WIND IN WYOMING?!?!?! :D )
Thanks Jack for this one what a great way to teach and practice!!!!!

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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 11:40:55 AM »
One way to re-use the pellets, as well as not have them all over the garage floor is this:

Take a cardboard IPSC target and cut out the kill zone.
Staple, glue, bublegum a piece of loose fabris all around the hole to make a pouch.

As long as you hit the target, the pellets will be laying in the pouch.  Just turn the pouch inside out to extract them.

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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2009, 01:30:18 PM »
djturnz,

Good suggestion1

jetta2337, 

Glad to see another new shooter about to join the ranks!  Good job, even when it takes years it is always worth it.  On saving pellets the "official answer" is you shouldn't do it, my view is that answer is from suppliers that want more reorders.  I guess if you are shooting a 900 dollar custom gun that is hitting 500+ FPS at hard targets yea, the pellets can be damaged and could damage your gun.

From shooting typical guns (200-350 fps) I know that soft targets seem to do nothing to the pellets.  I have reused many with no trouble.  My method for pellet capture is hang a sheet from the roof behind the targets, then set the bottom of the sheet so there is like a roll at the bottom and hang the front side closer to the shooter.  Hard to explain and I don't have one up in the Garage because we have just been shooting out side.

So here is a drawing from paint of what I mean, (no one is allowed to pick on this drawing I mean it, I know it sucks but I want to be clear as I can for now,  ;))



The object is to get a high backstop from the blanket behind the targets, let the blanket lay on the floor and set the targets on it, then raise up the front side (and the sides a bit really) so the pellets don't get out the bottom.  You can then shoot like crazy and 95% will end up in the bottom of the blanket, which is good even when not reused because they don't end up everywhere.

Mostly now I shoot biodegradable pellets outside and just buy more when I need them, they are way cheap by say a 5000 count or higher.
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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2009, 01:47:39 PM »
So here is a drawing from paint of what I mean, (no one is allowed to pick on this drawing I mean it, I know it sucks but I want to be clear as I can for now,  ;))
Behold!!  The power of MS Paint!!  =-P
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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 04:10:18 PM »
Shuuuuuuuuuuuut uuuuuuuppppppp (said in a whinny voice)  ;)  I am at home today and don't have PhotoShop or even Paint Shop Pro on this machine.  At least I tried,  ;D
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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2009, 06:51:43 PM »
*dead*  :D :D :D OMG.  That is the greatest picture ever.  I need to post that on the fridge.  srsly.


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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2009, 08:04:38 PM »
Jack, do you have a link for a good place to get cheap wholesale biodegradable pellets?
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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2009, 08:07:25 PM »
Shuuuuuuuuuuuut uuuuuuuppppppp (said in a whinny voice)  ;)  I am at home today and don't have PhotoShop or even Paint Shop Pro on this machine.  At least I tried,  ;D

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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2009, 08:16:19 PM »
hilarious!!!  :D
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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2009, 09:45:00 PM »
Jack, rather than derail this thread further on your "art", I posted this tidbit in this thread about how bad Paint pictures can ruin a perfectly good thread.  ;-]
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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2009, 06:15:11 PM »
@ Jack: Excellent podcast episode!

I have been wanting to teach my daughters to shoot. I have been trying to catch up to all your podcast and listened to this episode a couple of days ago... well I got a airsoft pistol today to teach my daughters gun safety and basic shooting techniques. I am so glad that I did... they where very nervous at shooting for the first time.  We went through all the range safety rules, gun handling, loading, misfire, breathing, aiming, reloading, keeping the finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire the weapon and clearing weapon steps. One lesson we learned today was what a ricochet is ...had a ricochet hit me straight in the chest... glad for soft pellet. Both my daughters are now wanting to shoot more and enjoy it. My next step later on, I will to let them shoot my air rifle and after awhile then a .22 cal.

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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2009, 12:00:14 AM »
Jack, do you have a link for a good place to get cheap wholesale biodegradable pellets?

I buy mine from http://www.thekillerbeez.com normally. That or I buy Excels. Easy to find for the most part and very good. I'm an AVID airsofter and love it. I've headed up several teams, and while in college operated in the Criminal Justice Crime House which was ok. I'm also going to try and get our local guys working with local law enforcement during their training scenarios as an OPFOR unit. Manassas VA has a great field that caters normally to LEOs, but has weekend play for all, Airsoft CQB. Lots of fun and I recommend it, they're going through some, EPIC, field changes.

I've not listened to the podcast yet, but I will. If anyone has any questions I've got almost 10 years in and can help you out, just drop me a line. If I don't get back to you, try me on AIM. Shoot fast and safe all.
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Re: Episode 126 All on Airsoft and Shooting
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2009, 10:41:40 AM »
That looks like a good sight.  I asked because Wally-mart only had 2,000 count.  Looks like you can buy in bulk at that site, but it says it will be closed for several months.  :'(
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2009, 02:01:15 PM »
Just so everyone knows, most airsoft enthusiasts do not buy from Wal Mart. Wal Mart has signed on with another company for exclusive sale rights of inferior products and a monopoly-oriented policy through legislation that actually threatens the sport. Additionally, the 6mm BBs found at Wal Mart will harm most higher end replicas as they have a MUCH higher tendency to shatter inside the replicas firing mechanism and are produced from inferior molds, making them mostly useless. These Wal Mart pieces are the ones normally involved with the random acts of violence or problems that has caused Airsoft to have a bad name and made many people try to enact legislation to prevent the sport from continuing in the states. Parents who buy this stuff from Wal Mart can occasionally, especially if they do not have good weapon conduct, pass it on to their kids. One of the most important things you can do when getting into airsoft is do your homework.