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Offline Hraz

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Barbed Wire
« on: February 09, 2009, 10:38:00 AM »
I live in an urban area. We have a decorative 6' high cedar fence surrouning the property. I would like to keep some barbed wire on hand in cast the TSHF. Does anyone know of a good supplier? Are there special tools one needs? Also, do you generally need a permit in a residential neighborhood?

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2009, 10:41:20 AM »
I live in an urban area. We have a decorative 6' high cedar fence surrouning the property. I would like to keep some barbed wire on hand in cast the TSHF. Does anyone know of a good supplier? Are there special tools one needs? Also, do you generally need a permit in a residential neighborhood?

Most suburban areas don't allow barbed wire.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2009, 10:48:06 AM »
I'm sure you could store it and then put up up after the fact...

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2009, 11:05:12 AM »
Do you want barb or razor? If barb then Tractor Supply Company or any of the farm, ranch or co-op stores will have barb. If you are just going to store it until SHTF you might as well store razor. I have several boxes of it stashed away. This is used stuff that came off a base as surplus....it was cheap. Things get bad, bad and I will be pulling it out.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2009, 11:39:08 AM »
Yeah, I wouldn't instal until the TSHF, so I guess I mighr as well get a few rolls razor wire.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2009, 12:14:36 PM »
Barbed: Set of fence pliers, staples and a good set of heavy gloves.
Razor wire: Set of Razor Wire Gloves (there is no substitute) bandaids, guaze and some more bandaids. A laceration or suture kit are a good choice if you don't have super glue handy.
http://www.stock-number.com/06WireGloves.htm are the only gloves I trust working with either razor or concertina wire.

http://www.academyfence.com/razorwire.html
http://www.razorribbon.com/products.html
Might even try your local farm/family store.

If you have a solid topped fence, try the stuff partway down the page---RazorSpike: http://www.boundary-fences.com/razorcoil.htm
« Last Edit: February 09, 2009, 12:17:00 PM by Millerized »

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2009, 12:16:17 PM »
Great minds think alike.  I also have a cedar fence that I have thought might need some hardening in the event that the SHTF.  The flip side is do you want to advertise that would have stuff worth protecting with the barbed wire?  That is my dilemma.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2009, 03:34:46 PM »
I have two full rolls of barbwire ready to go, my backyard is surrounded by a 6' wooden fence. I also have enough posts to fence off the front yard to 5'. I also have two cattle chargers to interlace the wire with a hot one, one on the top, one in the middle and, one on the bottom. I have been unlucky to touch one of them on and they are not you normal dog chargers.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2009, 04:05:12 PM »
Well isn't Millerized the local expert on home fortification!

and I have to agree with him.  Barbed wire is a nice little deterrent, but nothing beats the effect of a good roll of razor!

For the fence operation, the razor would work best, if you wanted to set up a low trip wire around a large perimeter then barbed works better.  Its ez to string, takes alot of tension and will last for a long while. 

If your gonna work with either of these products, get yourself a good pair of glives and some hd fence pliers.      And oh yeah a box or two of band aids! ;D

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2009, 05:54:53 PM »
I agree with SwampMonster on the Electric fence BUT get a "GOOD ONE". I currently have a POWER WIZARD PW-1500 hooked up and let me tell ya it does the job and I have a PW2500 yet to be installed. I will work on most electric fences with good dry leather gloves but not this one. I tried it and soon learned that the hike all the way back to the barn to unplug was nowhere as bad as the jolt. And while we are on the "hot fence subject here is a little tip. If you need to test a hot fence and don't have a tester handy. Get a long (like 10" or more) blade of green grass, hold one end and lay the tip on the fence then SLOWLY slide the grass across the wire. As soon as you feel the tingle STOP. If you get your hand to the wire with no tingle the fence is probably off BUT to make sure take THE BACK of your hand and touch the wire. In case you don't know the reason to use the back of your hand is that electricity causes muscles to contract and if you use the palm you will grab the fence but with the back you will jerk away.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2009, 12:13:50 PM »
Uh, yea, forgot about the gloves but they are necessary.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2009, 01:49:09 PM »
I've got a flyback transformer from a 40" picture tube just ready to attach to the fence when needed.  Plug in the transformer, attach the flyback lead to the fence, listen for the howls......then go collect the meat or change shorts.



(Trained professional, closed course, do not try this at home.....this is deadly and it's not joking around at 45,000+ volts.  But it will teach a deer a lesson pretty damn quickly if it lives.  Foxes, birds have been seen lying exactly there they touched the fence.....again, not a recommendation, but an observation)

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2009, 02:05:47 PM »
Guessing you would not want to relieve yourself near the fence either.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 11:31:46 PM »
If you go to the Tractor Supply website, you can get a $5 off coupon by signing up. That will bring down the cost of my roll of wire.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2009, 11:37:58 PM »
Now just how does that work ?? I sign up and it brings down the price of your wire ???  ??? :o

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 10:03:52 AM »
You have to print a coupon and bring it to the store. If you order online, you can take 10% off.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2009, 03:58:47 PM »
barbed wire is a great idea, but it isn't a full proof method...  a slab of carpet or similar material can be put over it, and the fence can be hopped.... but hey, if I was a robber, I would go for the guys house down the road thats open without the fence.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2009, 02:27:09 PM »
I have been running something like this through my head myself.

The best socially (wife) acceptable idea I came up with is planting climbing roses and trellis them up above the top of your fence. If, at some point, the trellis wire turned into barbed wire a year or two after you built it, who would know with all the pretty flowers (thorn bushes).


A little story about barbed wire. I friend and I snuck into the back of the local dirt track to watch the car races. A cop on a 4 wheeler drove by, and my friend flipped out (I found out later he suffered from sticky fingers and tended to get caught). Took off running for home. Didn't make it 20 yards when he hit the old property line.

He hit that old barbed wire fence and broke it. One wire on each side. Even after all those years, it coiled back up. Around him. Quite effectively tied him down, right there!

It took me half an hour to first calm him down so it quite wrapping tighter around him, and extract him from the wire. That old rusty wire tore him up pretty good.

A dangerous idea would be to have 1 of the 2 wires snipped at each post, maybe knick the other wire to weaken it. If somebody puts enough weight on the wire, it will break. Fresh wire would want to curl back up. A strong likelihood of hurting somebody pretty bad. Even if they tossed carpet over the fence, the fence would come in at them.


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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2009, 03:58:17 PM »
ahhh man that musta hurt!

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2009, 04:33:17 PM »
Thoughts -

Barbed wire - great stuff for livestock, people (as noted previously) can find a way around it, although some will be too stupid to think about that and will get caught. Keeping extra strands coiled (not taut) is also handy for slowing folks down. Again, security will not be foolproof, but you want to make things hard to get through or around, or direct them to where you want them to be (next door or your own killing field). The wire comes on heavy metal X-shaped wire spools and are heavy.

Hot wires - truly fun and nasty stuff. Do not be fooled and get a fence charger "for 2 acres" cuz all you have is a city lot. Get a big one - one for "10 to 30 miles" - they are not all that expensive, $70-80 maybe. Also, they will find a way to ground, so be careful how you run them - any metal nearby can and will find a way to connect with it. Also, be yourself careful with it - I got my arm zapped on my own damn fence and it melted a spot on my woven nylon sleeve, it is just that hot.

An inexpensive tester is one that hangs from the wire and has probe in the ground. The big chargers will light them up like a Christmas tree.

Also, have good ground posts - 3 are recommended, sometimes more. They sell 1/2" galvanized metal rods about 6-8" , drive them 10' apart close to the charger plug-in (or battery box if solar powered) and make sure the soil is moist. If dry, it diminishes the power of the charger. Add more if the ground is dry. Wire them in series. Although they do sell wire and separate insulation tubing, I used a pre-insulated wire for the ground posts. It is jusr waaaaaay easier to use than trying to thread the wire through the tubing.

You can use a solid metal wire, a twisted plastic wire with a metal wire running through it, or a more visible tape wire that runs from 1/2" to 1-1/2" in width, all depends on how visible you want to make it. I had smooth wire non-electrified wires for the horse fences topped with a black/yellow plastic wire for the top thread. When I put them into a 3 acre temporary area, I used 2 runs of 1" tape, both runs hot. Worked like a charm - for horses.

Again, keep the hot wire away from anything else metal or you will be charging it too and probably grounding the charger which means no charge in the fence.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2009, 08:43:45 PM »
A good hot fencer like that will take care of branches falling over the wire too. A farmer neighbor had to walk the fence line because something was shorting out the fence. Found a 4inch poplar tree cut half through by the electric fence.

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2009, 01:04:07 PM »
millerized1 has a couple of great ideas, but these should only be used during a REAL SHTF situation. And even then, there needs to be signs clearly posted of the use of electrified fencing for legal reasons. A hot shot fence for cattle is one thing, but a flyback transformer from an old T.V. is something else all together.
I am an Electronic Tech, and these transformers can kill you. I knew of two gentleman that did T.V service repairs years ago, and both of them are gone now, and both died of accidental electrocution from coming into contact with flyback transformers.   :o

These are dangerous, and the use of them for electrification of any type of fencing is not advised.

A good one for cattle will meet the needs of this type of situation quite well. I know this from first hand knowlege.
When I was a kid of about 14, I was passing through a neighbors pasture across the road from my grandfathers farm one day. I knew that the fence was there, but accidentaly touched the line as I was about half way through the fence and gate. Needless to say, I didn't know what had happened at first, but the next thing that I knew, I was on the other side of the fence, and laying in the dirt.   :-[
Lesson learned.

I have the same files for the razor wire that he posted on file, and have thought a bit more of buying some to keep around here for a SHTF event. I have also thought to keep a few thousand foot rolls of the electric fence wire to stake out on the ground around our property as a tangle foot barrier.
If it ever does come down to the point that we need to use these items, I am not too worried about the zombies seeing my place as a rich, fat target. Like Juggernaut pointed out, the folks with no protected fence around their house would be a better target for them to try to pick off.

One other thing before I go, you might think about a few battery opperated driveway alerts around the perimeter of your places as well. If someone does manage to get through your fence, it would be nice to be alerted to their presence, before they get too close for you to repel their attack upon your property.   ;D

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Re: Barbed Wire
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2009, 09:24:54 PM »
Oh come on... 30,000 volts is a prefect way to recharge the system :D


Perhaps the bravest/dumbest thing I've ever done was adjust the focus rheostat on the flyback transformer of an old 17" CRT monitor I used to have. Of course, it had to be on for me to adjust it...