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Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« on: February 11, 2009, 09:27:32 AM »
Post your ideas folks.

I started it off with the following

A planned general strike of no work, no spending, no income for 5-7 days

Everyone stopping at an agreed upon time on a highways for five minutes

Joining Glenn Beck's We Surround Them program

Targeting specific Senators for elimination in the elections regardless of which state they are in

What are your ideas and how can we make Individual Secession a success?

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 09:53:15 AM »
Additionally here is what I sent Senator Specter's Office

Senator Specter,

I just want to let you know that since you voted for this "Stimulus Bill" I will be notifying all my friends in Pennsylvania and asking them to vote against you in the next election.  I actually have a pretty big network with in your state. 

I am sure my opinion is not highly valued as I don't live in Pennsylvania and hence can't vote in your election.  I would like to point out that my opinion will count for far more then one vote in opposition to your bid for reelection.

I also plan to make personal contributions to your opponent in the primary and if you should win the primary again in the General Election I shall financially support your opponent as well.

Respectfully the government works for the people and you and many others seem to have forgotten that.  There were far more American's opposed to this then any prior legislation but the Senate and Congress both ignored the wishes of the people.  You were one of a few with the real power to make a difference and you choose to ignore what your nation wanted.  Hence I look forward to assisting in terminating your employment when you come up for reelection,

Jack Spirko


I also sent Snow and Collins a slightly altered version.  I mean to keep my word on this, please consider sending something similar to them.

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 10:10:05 AM »
Individual Secession.. tough idea.  I already live as what I call a "gray man". Of course, I've prepped towards this for many years. I pay the least amount to the IRS as possible, as we all do. But as I have become established, more & more of what I require is by barter, A $ for $ trade hence no income tax.  I look back on the years where I paid $8-10k in income tax & wonder what the hell happened.

I do like, and will participate, in the mailing of discontent letters to those three repugs. Lord knows I let Hutchison & Cornyn know what I think. (They surely hate to hear their fax machines ring)

As far as civil disobedience... it worked during the VN war. But in today's society, we have nearly half that are dependent upon, or have expectations of, government benefits. Another 30% simply don't care enough to learn what is in the new bills being passed. I expect many would be shocked at the new medical provisions that were in the stimulus bill. That being said, I would welcome the opportunity to participate in a group assembly, for public education, of course.

I must admit to not having read Beck's "we surround them", but am off to rectify that omission.


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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 11:59:32 AM »
Just so we know when Specter, Collins, and Snowe come up for re-election and thus can oppose them then.

First up is Specter who will have to stand for re-election in 2010. He barely made it out of the Republican primary in 2004 when he lost to Pat Twomey who founded the Club for Growth. I think he will be the most vulnerable as people will have less time to forget his treachery.

Next is Snowe who will stand for re-election in 2012. Finally, Susan Collins was just re-elected in 2008 so we have almost 6 years to wait to get rid of her.

I think it is a great idea to contact friends and relatives in Maine and PA to urge them to oppose those three. Money sent to opposition candidates doesn't hurt either. Even small contributions are helpful.

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2009, 12:14:10 PM »
Mail a teabag to your representative, both senators, and the president.

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2009, 12:52:05 PM »
Send them peanut butter sandwiches... ;D   Not really

Mail a teabag to your representative, both senators, and the president.

I think the tea bag idea but make it a used tea bag... That way it'll look soaked like the boston tea party.


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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2009, 01:04:59 PM »
The first step in organizing a protest or civil disobediance is to define the outcome you are seeking to achieve.

A protest for the sake of protesting does not achieve anything.

A five-minute or even one-day parking protest on the highways will result in the following outcome:
Increased pollution.  Sending more money to foreign countries by wasting fuel.  Killing some people and injuring others who just were trying to get from point A to point B...probably to their second or third job.

Creating a protest that hurts PEOPLE instead of promoting change in GOVERNMENT is not efficient.  It is also the basis for the use of terrorism which I would assume we are all against. :P

So what is the outcome we desire?  Without a clearly defined goal a protest is not effective.  All actions produce an outcome, but what matters is it the outcome you wanted or not?

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2009, 01:09:57 PM »
What happened to the original concept of individual cessetion from the USA..
Trash seceded years ago ..

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 01:17:42 PM »
Send them peanut butter sandwiches... ;D   Not really

Mail a teabag to your representative, both senators, and the president.

I think the tea bag idea but make it a used tea bag... That way it'll look soaked like the boston tea party.


Will this work (soaked/not soaked)?  =-]

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2009, 01:23:46 PM »
we are geeks and survivalist.. Flood their emails with letters of disapproval..

make sure you cc Charles Schumer.

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2009, 02:02:17 PM »
The first step in organizing a protest or civil disobediance is to define the outcome you are seeking to achieve.

A protest for the sake of protesting does not achieve anything.

A five-minute or even one-day parking protest on the highways will result in the following outcome:
Increased pollution.  Sending more money to foreign countries by wasting fuel.  Killing some people and injuring others who just were trying to get from point A to point B...probably to their second or third job.

Creating a protest that hurts PEOPLE instead of promoting change in GOVERNMENT is not efficient.  It is also the basis for the use of terrorism which I would assume we are all against. :P

So what is the outcome we desire?  Without a clearly defined goal a protest is not effective.  All actions produce an outcome, but what matters is it the outcome you wanted or not?

You are really worried about pollution?  What flavor koolaid are they feeding you?  Your concern for "public safety" is valid.  The idea probably isn't the best we can come up with but pollution?  Really?
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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 02:05:39 PM »
I just printed out the latest press release on the stimulus (sic) from one of my U.S. Senators and added many comments. She had said we MUST do something and can't wait for perfect. She also had the gall to say it represented the middle of the Senate and the American public.

After adding comments on individual highlighted points, I took a Sharpie and wrote the slang word for bovine excrement across it. I just put it in an envelope to her state office. It will probably get opened sooner that way.

What really gets me going about this woman - newly elected Kay Hagan of NC - is that she campaigned on pay-as-you-go, fiscal responsibility and openness in spending bills. What a hypocrite! She blasted Liddy Dole about spending and then spends even more.

One creative idea that I've heard of in the past was to take a fax and make it an endless loop by taping the ends together. If the office is using a regular fax machine (as opposed to a print server), it will run out of paper soon enough. The downside is that it will cost a lot in phone charges and it will be traced back to you.

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2009, 02:13:11 PM »
I have been mass emailng the you tube video of the beloved Schumer to the avg citizens on my email lists all day..

with the advice  to pass it on and send it to their senator and cc Schumer .. hoping for the proverbial 404 error in DC


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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 02:21:04 PM »
I agree that the problem wit stopping on the highway might be a dangerous idea, because of people not paying attention and causing a massive pile up in most california roadways. The person who stopped could easily be prosecuted for criminal negligence or at least be given a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic.

I think more of a mass mailing of Teabags to your local government officials could work (the ones who neglected to take your views into account)

Also how about a "anything but" campaign. It has recently worked up here in Canada in Nova Scotia, when their entire provenec basicly said F* you Harper(our current PM) and encouraged their voters to vote for anyone but Harper. It almost worked, as Harper was greatly weakend by this move.

What we need to do is try harder and harder to bring others into the fold of government acoountability. We need to spread our word so that they are shown that they now longer can rule over us, but rather serve US and the U.S. I know that this is a basic review of what Jack said in his broadcast, but we need to hammer this home.

Instead of doing the not going to work for a week (not really realistic in my mind, most people need EVERYDAY of their paychecks), howabout taking your family out on one Friday and going camping, or just take a day off with the kids and have a good day.
One day aweek, maybe every other month, or every other week. Do it to your capability.
Hows that sound?

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2009, 02:25:25 PM »
the camping might not be a bad idea. Get the kids used to the conditions they ight be living in shortly. ie the Hoover villes and tent cities..

ah the joys of the Grapes of Wrath.. you know that banned book.. we cant give to children under the CPSIA law that went into effect. on  2-10


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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2009, 02:28:13 PM »
File to run for office in the primary of the elected official who pisses you off most.  Don't campaign or anything.  Just file.  If there are 10 or 15 people in the primary, the politicians will start to freak out that maybe, due to some "mistake," a "nobody" might win in the primary.  


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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2009, 02:46:06 PM »
Trash

Individual Secession is NOT GONE ANYWHERE, just looking for some "marketing collateral" to go with it.   ;)

Also Schumer's statements are indeed enraging!  Yet I think it is more misdirection!  Get people pissed about the "little bits of pork" so no one pays attention to the massive crap in this bill.  Like say the fact that the frame work for universal health care just got shoved down our throats!

Think about it!  We just passed this big Pile O Crap and what is on the news this morning

Octupet Lady - http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/02/11/239274.aspx - Really?  We have time to worry about this one lady and her 8 kids and 23,000 diapers?

Michell Obama's Wardrobe - http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/02/michelle_obama_in_vogue_like_c.html

and

Schumucky Schumer Talking about "Little Bits of Pork" - http://www.examiner.com/x-2759-Business-and-Finance-Examiner~y2009m2d11-US-Senator-the-American-people-really-dont-care-about-pork-spending


Fascinating stuff!  Here is ONE of the big picture stories in this POS bill,

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/11/critics-says-stimulus-gives-government-say-health-care/  at least Fox has it on the website but Michelle and Octuplet Lady were today's  lead stories on Fox and Friends.

Or how about the GUN CONTROL hidden it the stimulus shit bill

http://www.elliscountypress.com/news/132/ARTICLE/3171/2009-02-11.html

The real question is what are we missing all together.  
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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2009, 03:06:26 PM »
Depending on what you're interested in, you'll likely find some useful ideas here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/RidleyReport

"Pro news videographer Dave Ridley takes you to the front lines of the peaceful battle for liberty in New Hampshire. Ron Paul Revolutionaries, Free Staters, government intrigue...in Live Free or Die country, history unfolds before your eyes."

As a NH native, I can't say I agree w/ all of their tactics.  However, I'm sure glad the Free State Project chose NH.  They're providing a much needed counter balance to the influx of statists from Massachusetts (mAssholes).

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2009, 03:11:08 PM »
the massive crap in the bill is only the deterrent to keep the public intrigued while the fun stuff happens in the background.. CPSIA and its creation of the "snitch society', the Socialized medicine plan (also tucked into the stimulus bill, the fairness doctrine, the gun control etc etc ) the further whittling away of our society.

remember BHO didnt want to rebuild America.. He won on "remaking America"

BTW We, the chattering class, didnt pass that pile of crap today.. The DC homies did it for their benefit. Not ours.




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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2009, 03:14:06 PM »
I have entered into the "We Surround Them" campeign already. I do not know about the stopping on highways. This reminds me of when gas was twice what it is now and people were talking about everyone not paying for gas on the same day. Didn't do a thing.

What I do think will work is showing these Senators that our reach far exceeds the state we are in. When enough of us are behind something like this I would imagine that they would be quaking in their shoes with fear about what the American people would do. However, we would have to have the people behind it, and a lot of them. 3,000 is a good start.  :D

The tea bag thing is funny, but I can see some bad inneundos coming from this. He might get encouragement from it. :P God knows the last thing we would need is someone saying it is a unidentified chemical and being linked to this site. Not pretty. Maybe a picture of one?

As far as ideas go I am not sure what would wake them up either than a bunch of us going after them a few at a time like Sphincter, Colon, and Snowed. I think that could actually work.

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2009, 03:18:54 PM »
Jack,
look at the other post i did fromthe BLoomberg report today about the Socialized health care wonders  hidden in the stimulus biil.. at the request of the wunderkind Daschle

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=2847.0

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2009, 04:52:30 PM »
I’m on board with the email barrage to these three RINO’s and will contact my network of professional and personal contacts in their states to encourage their help.

The wet tea bag is also a great idea. It might have a more impressive impact if the mailing is coordinated on a certain date and the news media was somehow tipped off…..Some of you folks that are actively participating on other sites might want to spread the word and see if we can get a ground swell going.

How about a recall petition for the three traitors? I don’t know the processes or the different laws in these senator’s states but it might be worth a try, it worked in Kalifornia for their governor……………

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2009, 05:48:31 PM »
Who is the very next person from Washington running for re-election in any state?  If we pick the very first one and make an example of what we are willing to do to the others, maybe they will listen.  Let's find an Independent Candidate and assist them with winning the election.

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2009, 06:02:33 PM »
Sent the following to the three RINOs:

I find it disgusting that you think it's ok to vote for the Marxist stimulus plan. Bad enough that Bush pushed the ill-conceived TARP plan down our throats (with no openness and no positive effect) but you vote for something that you can't conceivably understand or if you do, you've decided that the country needs to be destroyed. There are actually people out here in the real world who do understand what is going on and who ultimately will put a stop to it.

Maybe you would understand better if it actually affected YOU. I don't think I want to work in the future. I want you and your family and your children and their children to support me. And no, you are not entitled to keep what you have, it belongs to us, so let's be fair. From each congressperson according to whatever he possesses to each TAXPAYER according to his WANTS.

Please change your party affiliation to reflect what you really are.

You are actually worse than Reid and Pelosi. At least with them we know they are flaming liberals. From you, we expected better.

Remember what the Japanese said after Pearl Harbor "I'm afraid we have awakened a sleeping giant". Well, you and the Communist In Chief have done just that.

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2009, 07:58:29 PM »
I emailed the Overlord Specter (thanks, Jack!), and I received the following robotic reply:

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2009, 09:07:25 PM »
Jack,

A great idea!  Let's all send them Kool-Aid!

The first step in organizing a protest or civil disobediance is to define the outcome you are seeking to achieve.

A protest for the sake of protesting does not achieve anything.

A five-minute or even one-day parking protest on the highways will result in the following outcome:
Increased pollution.  Sending more money to foreign countries by wasting fuel.  Killing some people and injuring others who just were trying to get from point A to point B...probably to their second or third job.

Creating a protest that hurts PEOPLE instead of promoting change in GOVERNMENT is not efficient.  It is also the basis for the use of terrorism which I would assume we are all against. :P

So what is the outcome we desire?  Without a clearly defined goal a protest is not effective.  All actions produce an outcome, but what matters is it the outcome you wanted or not?

You are really worried about pollution?  What flavor koolaid are they feeding you?  Your concern for "public safety" is valid.  The idea probably isn't the best we can come up with but pollution?  Really?

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2009, 09:12:44 PM »
I think we should get some novelty Kool-Aid bags made with flavors like "big government solves all your problems"........."hey, when they're too big to fail, there's always socialism"......."Obama, for President"........"Stimulus"........"I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody.(arack Obama )"

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2009, 09:53:37 PM »
Love the tea bag idea.  The Kool-Aid might spark another anthrax panic . . . that's clearly not our intent, right?

What about turning off our TVs and computers during the presidential press conferences.  Surely, the egotistical pukes pay attention to TV ratings and internet traffic.  If half the country unplugged and played board games with their families wouldn't it be noticed?

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2009, 10:20:47 PM »
Although I agree in theory with the idea of civil disobedience as a way to send a message to the government pukes, I really have to wonder about the feasibility of this actually working. Our culture is vastly different today than it was back in the late 60s when civil disobedience enjoyed popular acceptance.

I ran across this some time ago and it really resonated with me on how our culture/society/way of life is truly in the 11th hour...check it out


Self-destructive Cycle of Democratic Behavior
“From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”

I truly believe that we are in the 2nd to last phase of "From apathy to dependence" and that is why I think the civil disobedience tack will not gain widespread support....at least not yet.  We as a society need to experience some pain, and that pain is the threat, or actual act of being enslaved in addition to our dependence.

What I think we need to do before any meaningful number of people participate in an act of civil disobedience, is attempt to wake people up and shine a light on the cockroach of apathy!!

Jack made a comment on the podcast today to the affect of "watch the shiny quarter" which, besides being hilarious, is exactly what is keeping our nation from waking up. We are too enamored with Michelle Obama's wardrobe and the blood sucking psychologically disturbed octuplet lady.

I know, I know, it is so easy to rag on the problem w/o offering any solutions....I'm thinking, I'm thinking.

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Re: Episode 139 - Creative Ideas for Protest and Civil Disobedience
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2009, 11:34:05 PM »


Or how about the GUN CONTROL hidden it the stimulus shit bill

http://www.elliscountypress.com/news/132/ARTICLE/3171/2009-02-11.html

The real question is what are we missing all together.  


Where is the gun control actually in the stimulus bill?  That article just says that there has been no coverage of HR 45.  Or did I just totally miss it in that article?