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Re: Greece
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2012, 03:00:06 AM »
I happened on this documentary on the Greek situation....It is a bit old but you are still welcome to it if you have the time and wish.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2012, 01:16:08 PM »
Who's next?  ::)

Ireland or Spain are the frontrunners.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2012, 10:58:03 PM »
Who's next?  ::)

I think Japan is next.
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Re: Greece
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2012, 09:07:53 AM »
I think Japan is next.
Most of Japan's debt is held by Japanese citizens, unlike the Europeans.  It's the foundation of their retirement and pension programs.  Thus, they can delay a lot longer by working later in life, whereas once the writing goes up on the wall that your country may not be able to pay back its debt, nobody is willing to loan you money, thus interest rates go up, thus the ability to repay bondholders goes down and you have a vicious cycle.  That's what happened in Greece and is unfolding in Spain, Italy and Portugal today.  Since the Japanese are buying their own bonds, they can prop their own system up a lot longer.  Will it come apart eventually when folks retire enmasse, you bet, but they have a lot more control over the how and the when than Spain does.

Ireland is perceived as being a culture that is very willing to suffer, thus, they're still seen as a better risk, but no doubt about it, they're in for a lot of suffering and only time will tell if they eventually see the rebellion against austerity that Greece has demonstrated.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2015, 05:02:56 PM »
Greece's current bailout expires on 28 February 2015. Any new agreement would need to be approved by national governments, so time is running out to reach a compromise. Without a deal Greece is likely to run out of money.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31485073

Greece defies creditors, seeking credit but no bailout
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102429071

Greece bailout talks break down after Athens rejects 'unacceptable' eurozone demands
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/16/greece-fails-rescue-package-eurozone-finance-ministers

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Re: Greece
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2015, 12:42:27 AM »
I was patiently waiting till someone found out...

There was an initiative by the Greek side half a day ago. And it is reasonable assuming a solution must be found.

problem is that Germany is hard fixed in its position and has the rest of the Europe by the balls.
The secret is out, it is using a Mercantilistic economic policy to further its 3rd try their Pan-European Lebensraum. 9that was as a dense statement as it can get)

So we are in an armwresting game with the possibility to turn into a barroom brawl

germany's position is so hard set that either is playing a hard negotiating game or is determined to push things to the end and create te conditions of ousting Greece from the Eurozone.
The media are supporting the idea that the EU is now hardened enough to bare the exiting crisis and its effects on the Euro, and not contaging the rest of the problematic economies of portugal, Spain and Italy.
Check this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/13/italy-is-europes-ticking-time-bomb/
Practically Greece is being used (again) to bully the rest of the European south. the situation is particlularly critical since in Spain, the prime minister is sinking in a muck of scandals and the radical left party (connected to the similar one governign Greece now) is kickin ass and will sweep in September's elections.
So time is sparce, everything must happen by summer.

Where this going i can not tell.
The fact is that the real battle is between the Germanic recipe of extreme austerity to serve depts versus an expansive economy approach to create profit and surplusses.
And the major player in this game is known for making the wrong act when history calls.
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Re: Greece
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2015, 01:31:51 AM »
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Re: Greece
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2015, 07:07:48 AM »
this article by Bloomberg sums quite well the facts and the feelings in Greece

Europe and Greece Are at War Over Nothing
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-02-19/what-are-europe-and-greece-even-fighting-over-

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Re: Greece
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2015, 02:31:47 AM »
an interesting article talking about the geostategic implications of the Greek situation

Keeping Greece in the euro is about far more than money
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f98c73b6-b761-11e4-981d-00144feab7de.html#axzz3SHAUoKHI

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Events in Ukraine have shaken those in Europe who once took for granted that the postwar territorial settlement would be respected by all its neighbours. In what promises to be a protracted western confrontation with Russia, the geostrategic assets represented by Greece are irreplaceable.

Yet European leaders persist in discussing Greece’s financial position as if its geopolitical allegiances were immutably settled. Events may yet prove them right. But it is a risky bet. It would be a tragedy if a narrow-minded analysis of the situation led them to place that wager accidentally.
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Re: Greece
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2015, 08:27:36 PM »
Greece pushes creditors to the edge as it demands EU summit talks.  The Greek government has demanded bail-out talks at an EU summit later this week, frustrating its creditors in already strained debt negotiations. According to reports, Athens refused to update European finance ministers about its plans to implement vital reforms at a scheduled teleconference yesterday, requesting higher level political talks with eurozone leaders instead.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11479304/Greece-pushes-creditors-to-the-edge-as-it-demands-EU-summit-talks.html

Greece defies EC with anti-austerity law
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-3195221

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Re: Greece
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2015, 01:13:48 AM »
yep! it is a huge battle against the German pushed Mercantilistic austerity. Cos all this dept thing boils down to this.
And not for greece only. Unless something changes, Europe will either fall into a recession or break up.
Key politicians (i..e Mario Draggi) have started realizing this, but not soon enough for Greece.

Food for thought:
https://www.youtube.com/user/INETeconomics/search?query=mercantilism
https://www.youtube.com/user/INETeconomics/search?query=+The+Future+of+Europe
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Re: Greece
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2015, 07:29:14 AM »
cos nothing is like it seems on the surface and some people want you to believe

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/greek-study-provides-evidence-of-forced-loans-to-nazis-a-1024762.html
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Re: Greece
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2015, 08:58:26 AM »
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Re: Greece
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2015, 09:39:02 AM »
Athens looks to Moscow
Greek PM and Vladimir Putin chatted on the phone "in a friendly atmosphere"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11653211/Greece-IMF-payment-live.html
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Re: Greece
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2015, 09:55:20 PM »
- Standard & Poor's downgrades Greece's credit rating 1 notch further into junk territory
- Greece considering accepting a bailout extension to March 2016, government source says
- Greek PM Tsipras will meet the president of the European Council Donald Tusk at 1:30 pm Brussels time on Wednesday
- White House says President Obama and Chancellor Merkel discussed Greece in bilateral meeting, agreed Greece must achieve reforms and return to sustainable long-term growth

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Re: Greece
« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2015, 04:36:49 AM »
- Standard & Poor's downgrades Greece's credit rating 1 notch further into junk territory
For those who track such things, that is a CCC rating fpr Greece. (The US is "AA+"  ::) )
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Re: Greece
« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2015, 06:09:51 AM »
If the world is collectively in debt,Who do we owe?
Stop complaining about life and start Celebrating it .

I've reached the age where there is little left to learn the hard way.

I am 100% in favor of TRIGGER CONTROL.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2015, 06:52:04 AM »
The Cloud  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

(really, by the Cloud I mean those trillion in funds flaoting around bank accounts) (they say that available fund capital is thrice the world;s GDP)
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Re: Greece
« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2015, 07:45:34 AM »
The possible scenarios:
http://news.yahoo.com/greeces-debt-drama-possible-scenarios-205841798.html

Some are predicting that Greece will join the BRIC nations.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #50 on: June 15, 2015, 08:42:17 AM »
I have to say, the PM of Greece isn't taking any crap from the banks or EU. I'm not saying he's entirely dealing with reality since none of those pensions are going to get paid if the nation gets kicked out of the EU, but the bankers played a dangerous game to get them in this mess in the first place, so I feel none too sorry for them.

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« Reply #51 on: June 15, 2015, 08:43:20 AM »
Global financial markets suffered their first bout of significant contagion from the Greek crisis this year on Monday after 11th hour talks between the near bankrupt country and its creditors collapsed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/15/us-markets-global-idUSKBN0OU15F20150615

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Re: Greece
« Reply #52 on: June 15, 2015, 08:45:01 AM »
edit: this i was typing the following before the last 2 posts of you.


I have stoped worrying since some time ago becuase:
1. i have already done and prepared what I could with the limited resources i have.
2. I need to preserve my sanity first and mostly.

There are Sooo many scenarios, leaked info, directed news and leakages, and so many players playing such dirty games under the table, that to follow and access them all would drive anyone insane.
(this is why i refrain from keeping you updated, but if you want a hint the scenario of Greece leaving the Eurozone is played the even  days of the month)

But, falsely or not, I am optimistic that above all the perturbations of the poliical lakey's in the EU, lies geostrategics
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Re: Greece
« Reply #53 on: June 15, 2015, 08:50:27 AM »
1. i have already done and prepared what I could with the limited resources i have.
2. I need to preserve my sanity first and mostly.

And that is probably the best scenario... good on you.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #54 on: June 15, 2015, 09:00:55 AM »
Keep us in the loop as your sanity allows, greekman. Best wishes to you and yours for coming through this as comfortably as possible.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2015, 11:55:31 AM »
Keep us in the loop as your sanity allows, greekman. Best wishes to you and yours for coming through this as comfortably as possible.

+1

We may all need to learn the lessons you do from this because it could happen here as well.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2015, 12:57:58 PM »
anyone cares or a 4/5ths finished article on leasons learned (was about to be posted in a friendly American blog but i lost track of the manager)
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Re: Greece
« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2015, 09:27:33 AM »
Yesterday i stumbled on this analysis....
http://www.defence-point.gr/news/?p=130825

it is by a man to follow his writings and views. I hope Google translation does a semi-good job for you.

in short.
The IMF and the ERu have made unbearable and unrealistic demands. And they have been hardening their position even moreas time passes by.
The core of the analysis is that they are not confortable with the idea of a leftist goverment.
the initial plan was to drag the ruling party into a center-right position.
Now it seems their game is to force Greece to an electiona nd a (possible) change of goverment.

Do yoy know the feeling of the most people that have been really struck by the crisis?
"Apothaneto i psihi mou meta ton allofilon"
It is what Samson said when he drove down the temple
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Re: Greece
« Reply #58 on: June 18, 2015, 09:43:50 AM »
A crucial month for Greece: Timeline
http://dwc.cnbc.com/5Tr3h/index.html

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Re: Greece
« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2015, 10:59:43 AM »
my timeline....

Jul 1st and no deal ....Hit the markets to buy things that would dissappear upon extit of the Eurozone. this will be my "5minutes to 12" shopping list.

Deal before June 30.... Hit the markets to buy groceries that will see a hike to 23% VAT (a definitive clause of the deal)

yep! things have boiled down to basic shopping
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