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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2012, 02:21:46 PM »
found out my visitor wasn't a sasquatch...  :'( . turns out it's a 99% chance it's a bear. but, we don't eat too much honey so i think we'll be ok.  :rofl: never had bear meat. (i wonder if it tastes like chicken.)

finally met the neighbor. seems like an alright guy. apparently he's bordering on being a prepper/survivalist, he just needs a push in the right direction so, i'm gonna give him a little nudge. he's also a bigfoot enthusiast, said he spends most of his "t.v. time" watching monsterquest and finding bigfoot. lol. talked to him a little bit about vertical gardens and small livestock. he wants us to come hang out some, might have to take him up on it. he offered to let us use his generator. can't afford the gas but, nice of him none the less and appreciated.

went through a whole fiasco this weekend trying to get the other car running. finally got it. the cougar runs like a champ, still has a few small problems but, nothing serious.

paid our first water bill today... $12.00. funny, we don't have water at the trailer but we still have a bill.. **sheesh**

something i wanted to address, not that anyone on tsp has said anything but, i've gotten questions in the "real world."

when we cook, it's not always on the grill over an "open flame" . we use frying pans, pots etc. on a grill top over a fire pit. for example, last night we had hawaiian chicken wraps (chicken, pineapple, bell peppers, and onions) and mac and cheese.

some have asked about cooking over pine. we don't cook over pine when we want a bare flame, meats for example. when we're cooking in a pan the pine doesn't affect the taste AS LONG AS the smoke isn't wafting into the pot or pan. when we want a bare flame for burgers or steaks we're now using hardwoods or still charcoal but, only a little charcoal as the cost is killing me.

as far as the smoke wafting into the pots, i've noticed when we boil water to bathe, sometimes, when the wind is tossing the smoke back into the pot, it takes on a "piney" smell, which is kind of invigorating for bath water. food... not so much.

thought we were gonna be able to get the power on this week, and still might but, doesn't look like it. so, we're looking at another month without electricity. **guuhhhhhhh**

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« Reply #61 on: May 11, 2012, 03:55:49 PM »
keep plugging away. sounds likeyou are doing good. when i was little we moved to maine and lived without electricity for 6 years. from the time I was in 2nd grade until just about 8th grade. some days i wish it had never changed.

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2012, 05:22:57 PM »
Its encouraging to read your stories. My husband and I have a 2.5 year old and he really adapts, but me being the mom I worry about friends family and neighbors judging us and or calling the SS. We are in a similar situation, just moved from the city and have a camper, no power water septic or cash. Were arent staying there now, my husband has a job traveling and we go with him but i am so homesick i can't wait to get back, the land is paradise. I love living this way and my son is loved fed and comfortable. We are practicing a little civil disobedience but nothing that hurts or bothers anyone. Its disheartening when everyone around is against the way we live, i am just so greatful to hear nothing but positive advice and encouragement from everyone to you. I dont post here much but read all the time and just adore you guys. Thanks

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2012, 08:47:58 AM »
GRRRRR... stupid rack-a-frackin' power company. my girlfriend went in a while back and they quoted her a price on the connection. they pulled in my yard (wrong address) and ran over some stuff. NOW, this morning they quoted me a different price, $50 more to connect the power. then just looked at me like I'M an idiot. i had to stop myself from going back in the woman's office and flipping her desk... needless to say, i am NOT friggin' happy.  >:( screw 'em.


**sigh** oh well, just something to make me wanna stay off grid. maybe i'll buy some waterline instead. lol

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2012, 01:42:02 PM »
Just wanted to thank you for posting all of this...  I'm enjoying reading it and wishing you the best.  Hopefully this thread will be around ?? years from now when you turn over your property to your son, so he can read about how you started out there and built it up.

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2012, 11:35:40 AM »
seems like every week i'm saying "next week" but, "next week" never gets here. HOPEFULLY, this coming week i'll be able to get the power on. **sheesh**

boss had a bunch of oak limbs cut off, he was afaid they'd fall on the house. those limbs and branches are in the back of his truck which i'm taking home today. pretty good size bit of fire wood. even though we should have the power on soon it'll still be easier and faster to boil water on the fire than the hot plate.

haven't heard much out of the bear lately, seems our newest neighbors are pretty loud and annoying so, i figure they've run him off. not sure how i feel about them, lots of carw in and out at all hours, loud, fighting their dogs on our property. i feel like i might have problems in the near future.

like i said, hoping to have the power on come tuesday or so, and maybe a small chest freezer. the water line can wait. we can keep going up to the meter with buckets. but, ice is starting to become a priority. if we get a small freezer we can still keep things refridgerated in a cooler by making our own ice, which will cut another $30-$40 a month off our expenses.

waterline can come later, like i said, not really a priority at the moment.

thinking.. i'm gonna build the chicken yard with pallets, since it's more to keep things out as opposed to keeping the chickens in AND the pallets will probably be FREE, which is always a plus.

should have some goats in another month or so. they too will be free. problem is.... they are some kind of miniature goats with almost no meat, not really sure how that's gonna work. i want MEAT. HA!

i have some pics i've been meaning to post, nothing major but, just haven't really had the time. i might take a weekend and do nothing but try to t them on line.

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #66 on: May 26, 2012, 01:41:56 AM »
seems our newest neighbors are pretty loud and annoying so, i figure they've run him off. not sure how i feel about them, lots of carw in and out at all hours, loud, fighting their dogs on our property. i feel like i might have problems in the near future.

Be really really careful with those dogs, I got bit in December and my hand is still messed up, I go in for surgery in late July/Early August. Check in with your local law enforcment, but if it was me if I saw one that wasnt my dog and it acted a little aggressive and it was on my property I would shoot it. That has the potential to be a very very bad situation. Maybe set up a game camera to catch them fighting the dogs and turn that over to the law so they can do their job.

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #67 on: May 26, 2012, 10:12:00 AM »
The goats will be an added attraction to the dogs. Coming home to find livestock dead is not fun. I had it happen once, where a guy got out of prison the day before and moved in with relatives WAY across the fields from me with 2 Huskies. They killed my 300 pound Hampshire ram and a 80 pound Jacob ewe and tore up 3 others in less than 20 minutes time.

If they are truely fighting dogs, that is an illegal activity.

By the way... you will get used to having to say "next week" but, "next week", but you will get to changing it to "this year" but, "this year". A farm is never finished.

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2012, 06:05:02 AM »
I don't recommend shooting the dogs yourself even if they are on your property, unless you have no other choice. That's a way to create a whole lot of other problems with your neighbors, who don't seem like the nicest people to begin with. Call the sheriff's office and report the dogs running loose and tell them you suspect their fighting the dogs. They'll go check it out and no one has to know it was you.

I know from first-hand experience what living next to a crappy neighbor can be like if they form a grudge against you; break-ins, threats and graffiti might be the least of your problems. That was my experiences, but a friend of mine had his house burned down by a neighbor last year after they reported it when the neighbor's son stole his wife's purse out of their car. They had to move because there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute said neighbor and he was threatening to do it again and make sure they didn't get out if they rebuilt. 

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #69 on: May 27, 2012, 11:59:55 AM »
oh, no. typo, typo, typo!!!!!

didn't catch it. NOT "fighting their dogs..." should be ... "blah blah blah, fighting, their dogs on our property etc..."

i.e. the couple is fighting... not the dogs. sorry for the confusion. was on the office computer when i posted that and was trying to hurry and get off.

i went over and talked to the guy about him putting his trash in my garbage box. talked about an hour or so, he apologized immediately, didn't seem like he was too bad of a guy but, only time will tell.

loaded up some 10 ft. pallets from napa, while i was doing so a supervisor at a local industrial supply company stopped and offered me 6 of the same they had sitting in the yard at the shop. so, i ended up with nine 10 ft pallets which is enough to finish the chicken yard.

stopped by an old friend's house yesterday, found out he has a roll of chicken wire laying in the bushes across the street. i've just got to go cut it out. not sure how long it is but, some is better than none.

the GF's ex father in law gave us a set of nesting boxes. two rows- five boxes per row for ten nests in total. seems like plenty for our needs... maybe a couple or more.

saw the largest friggin' armadillo i've ever seen the other night. tried to sic the puppy on it. spartacus looked at me like... "are you effin' stupid? i'm not going after that thing." i think he even raised an eyebrow and rolled his eyes.

on a serious note, i can NOT get rid of the rat. the SOB has managed to eat all the bait off of the rat trap WITHOUT tripping it. i'll be damned if i know how he's doing it but, he does it every time. he's getting bold as well. coming out in the middle of the day, coming into the living room while we're active. i've never seen anything like it.   guess i'm gonna have to take serious actions and borrow a gun. blast his ass while he's munchin' on my nutty bars.

once again, sorry about the confusion with the "fighting their dogs..." thing.

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2012, 09:49:41 AM »
oh, no. typo, typo, typo!!!!!

didn't catch it. NOT "fighting their dogs..." should be ... "blah blah blah, fighting, their dogs on our property.
Just glad it was a typo.

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #71 on: May 31, 2012, 01:42:54 AM »
On your rat trap - wrap thread around the bait and the trap lever. The rat will put more pressure on the lever as it tries to get to the bait under the thread.
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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #72 on: June 03, 2012, 03:39:41 PM »
Or Trap the rats and make them into mean guard rats who bite first and ask questions later  ;D

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« Reply #73 on: June 05, 2012, 10:20:55 AM »
still no power. yet one more excuse as to why the powere company can;t hook us up. i'm fed up. completely. told the guy yesterday tjey can kiss our asses and we were gonna stay off grid and use alternatives. he smirked... i wanted to punch him in the throat and tell him to get their lines, poles, and transformer off my property... but i refrained. my girlfriend however got pretty irrate. don't mess with a pregnant woman with no a/c when it's 101. lmao. seriously. i found out i have a hook up with a guy that sells remanned batteries, trying to get in touch with him to see if he sells deep cycle marine batteries and found two inverters at a local salvage  place yesterday. about $90 for both. looking at trying to get them this weekend IF i can get the batteries. between the two it's about 2,000 watts which, i believe, should be enough to get us kicked off pretty well.

Or Trap the rats and make them into mean guard rats who bite first and ask questions later  ;D


i've thought about that, especially after i watched him doing wall runs the other night. i've got a friggin ninja rat. it's like he escaped from nimh or something.

a few things i've neglected to mention over the past weeks or things i'd like to bring up...

wehn using oil lamps be careful about using them without the globe. aside from the obvious burn and fire hazards they smoke more without the globes which leads to more carbon monoxide in the air and could lead to suffocation. they also put more heat out into the air, the globes help direct the heat up. without them the airr gets hotter which leads to, obviously, a hotter room. the globes also help refract the light which means without them you need a larger flame to cast the same amout of light which in turn leads to more fuel usage. also, when using oil lamps, try placing them in front of mirrors. it reflects the light from the backside into a larger area which means you can see better on a smaller flame.

when batoning firewood. i've learned it's better to keep your 'chete or knife at about a 45 degree angle with the handle being the low end. i've seen many people try to keep it level but, for me it seems like more work. also, try to hit the blade as close to the wood as possible. it makes for a more solid hit which means less work. i've also found a good, well made, thin machete seems to work best as the blade can bend a little if you hit knots. try not to hit it too hard. personally, once the blade is started i simply flick my wrist. i'm not trying to knock it out of the park.

our fire pit is four cinder blocks with a sturdy, heavy gauge grate. i've got the cinder blocks positioned close together. just wide enough for the pot, i.e. the pot barely touches the edges of the cinder blocke on four sides. this helps to reduce the amount of wasted heat and works kind of like a rocket mass.

on the property there was an old double headed axe head which i bought a handle for. i've been using it to chop the larger firewood into smaller "batonable" pieces i've also decided against trying to fix the old weedeater that was on the property. it would cost me about $50 AND there's no promise it'll work right so, i bought a sling blade and have been using that to cut the grass, weeds, and shrub. guess i've been on the "prepper workout for the last couple of weeks. lol. 

when dealing with no power in the summer, try sleeping closer to the floor (cold air falls). after years of being homeless and having no power i've learned it's a pretty simple fix. doesn't help too much but can mean the difference between being a little uncomfortable and being miserable.

got the chicken yard finished. nothing special, just about 20x20, made from the 10 ft. pallets i got. i used the bottom pieces from an old bunk bed, also left on the property, for the gates and wrapped it in visquene, also left on the property. some people have said "that's not gonna keep anything out." to which i reply "this is mississippi. we have racoons, oppossums, snakes, chicken hawks, bears, bobcats, regular cats, coyotes, dogs, wolves, panthers, sasquatch, zombies and a weird monkey looking thing. if something wants my chickens... it's gonna get them."  i have a friend who spent several hundred dollars on a coop, new wood, new wire, enclosed, nice looking coop... lost all but 2 chickens... i'd rather lose my chickens and NOT be out $300 than lose them and be out $300.



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« Reply #74 on: June 05, 2012, 01:16:35 PM »
OMG Charles!! When I did Search and Rescue I had to watch out for these things all the time and I actually had an escort at times in 'at more risk' areas with ex-military guys who could apparently smell these things out. While I can see how to make them is a good idea, actually putting it into practice unless it is a war zone is really bad. While I was out there in the field I wanted to rip the entrails out of whomever put them up. There are plenty enough dangerous situations out there to keep an eye out for looking for a lost person without those shannanigans. And OP has small children running around including possibly the neighbors child!

What I hate about these types of devices, is they kill indiscriminately.

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The only ones I'd consider are the ones hooked up to a primed but otherwise empty shell. No powder even. Just a noise maker about as loud as one of those tiny firecrackers. The point is just to make noise and spook wildlife. And I'd only consider them on my land and relatively close to the house, and I'd probably have to have a reason why a game camera with an email alert wouldn't be a better option. I've seen videos and photos of booby traps people leave out in the woods. I wish them the worst. Anybody that sets live ammo up like that deserves to be disemboweled and left for the crows.

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« Reply #75 on: June 05, 2012, 01:37:09 PM »
still no power. yet one more excuse as to why the powere company can;t hook us up. i'm fed up. completely. told the guy yesterday tjey can kiss our asses and we were gonna stay off grid and use alternatives. he smirked... i wanted to punch him in the throat and tell him to get their lines, poles, and transformer off my property... but i refrained. my girlfriend however got pretty irrate. don't mess with a pregnant woman with no a/c when it's 101. lmao. seriously. i found out i have a hook up with a guy that sells remanned batteries, trying to get in touch with him to see if he sells deep cycle marine batteries and found two inverters at a local salvage  place yesterday. about $90 for both. looking at trying to get them this weekend IF i can get the batteries. between the two it's about 2,000 watts which, i believe, should be enough to get us kicked off pretty well.

2000 watts at 110 is only 18 amps combined and unless you know how to synchronize AC lines, you can't just combine them so you have 2 9 amp lines. I'm not sure you can even run a swamp cooler off 9 amps, so you might be SOL for cooling with that approach.

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wehn using oil lamps be careful about using them without the globe. aside from the obvious burn and fire hazards they smoke more without the globes which leads to more carbon monoxide in the air and could lead to suffocation. they also put more heat out into the air, the globes help direct the heat up. without them the airr gets hotter which leads to, obviously, a hotter room. the globes also help refract the light which means without them you need a larger flame to cast the same amout of light which in turn leads to more fuel usage. also, when using oil lamps, try placing them in front of mirrors. it reflects the light from the backside into a larger area which means you can see better on a smaller flame.

I can't recommend CO alarms highly enough. It takes one brain fart to die from something stupid like a smoldering lamp wick or coal chunk.

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when dealing with no power in the summer, try sleeping closer to the floor (cold air falls). after years of being homeless and having no power i've learned it's a pretty simple fix. doesn't help too much but can mean the difference between being a little uncomfortable and being miserable.

I've seen this taken to the extent of digging pits and sleeping in them. Just a thought if you are considering digging something like a cellar, you could sleep in it.


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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #76 on: June 05, 2012, 03:08:22 PM »
we're not planning on using to much juice... just a fan, a lamp and t.v. and not necessarily at the same time. until we get a good bank built up no large stuff. for example right now we watch movies on the laptop. so, we don't even really need the t.v.

we only run the oil lamps for about an hour or so a night, just long enough to bathe and read a little so, i'm not really concerned personally with poisoning. plus... both doors and the windows stay open all day and night.

ummmm.. i understand what you're saying.. but, right now, i'm not really in the mood to dig anymore holes. lol. which is something i forgot to mention earlier.

started digging a storm shelter...

by hand...

and hauling some of the good dirt up to the chicken yard...

in a five gallon bucket...

i must have lost my friggin' mind...

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« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2012, 11:51:26 AM »
been a while but, that's because nothing interesting or worthwhile has happened.

we've been borrowing my bosses' generator running a gallon a night. just enough to cool the house down enough so the girfriend and baby can get to sleep.

went this morning had ANOTHER go around with the power company. they gave me a different price AGAIN.

the woman reassured me...

"sir, we treat all of our customers the same."
to which i replied "Lady, if you treated all of your customers the way you've been treating me you wouldn't have any customers."
"Yes, we would, IF they wanted power." was her comeback.
so, essentially if you want electricity you WILL do what we tell you. i almost snapped.
the power is supposed to be hooked up today. it better be.

started building a solar oven out of found materials. got a couple of projects i'm calling my "post collapse" projects. essentially building stuff out of found/free materials, reusing nails, cutting with handsaws or in my case a machete since i don't have a handsaw right now. just little things. i consider the chicken yard as one, since i didn't buy anything particularly for it.

i thought we finally got rid of the rat. we broke down and bought poison. the sucker ate an entire box of decon and i thought to myself "finally! victory is mine." until the next night when he showed up... and the next night... and the night after.. and the night... well, you get the point... GRRRRRRR!!!!!!  it's been over a week and he's still kickin'. little....**sigh**

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« Reply #78 on: July 01, 2012, 02:13:49 PM »
thye came out on the monday i posted the last post and refused to connect the power AGAIN. three different excuses, AGAIN, finally came and hooked it up the following morning at about 8:15. now, the only time i wanna see the sob's is when i pay the bill and when they come read the meter. now i've just gotta get the water line laid. that shouldn't be too hard now that we don't have some of the extra bills.

think i've finally gotten rid of the rat. FINALLY.

we had a problem for a week ofr so with the septic. they jack wagons who did it have too large of a drop so the fluids out run the solids so, the solids end up getting trapped and drying which clogs the system. so, i guess we won't be recycling the grey water for a while. gonna need the extra water to fully flush the system.

have a local oilfield supply company guy bringing me 55 gallon drums for my passive solar water heater system it will also double as inline storage. just gotta wait on him.

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« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2012, 08:10:11 AM »
Any new pics? I have been watching your project, and I cant wait to go home and start mine!!!!

Take care,

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« Reply #80 on: July 03, 2012, 04:05:49 PM »
Any new pics? I have been watching your project, and I cant wait to go home and start mine!!!!

Take care,

Charles

yeah, i've got a few. just kind of a PITA to get them uploaded to the comp and then onto the site. but, i'm trying. lol. things have slowed down around the house since we've gotten power. i swore i was taking a week off and not doing anything. but, that week's over so back to work... i guess. lol

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #81 on: July 06, 2012, 09:26:00 AM »
I'd add some board games and cards for entertainment, and it'll be just like long term camping ;-)

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« Reply #82 on: July 25, 2012, 08:21:47 AM »
been a while but, nothing new, really. still waiting on my barrels for the passive solar water heater. still no water line, STILL trucking buckets back and forth. the baby is due in about 4 weeks so, i've been spending a lot of time and money on getting things ready for him so, a lot of things have been put on hold for now. just been trying to keep things running as smoothly as possible, which isn't very smooth at all lol.

a few things i haven't mentioned...

we started teaching the youngest sign language a little while back. not PUSHING him, he's two, i'm sure you can remember what it's like trying to teach a two year old. and i don't teach him every day but, we do re-enforce what he's learned when we talk to him. i've also been able to restart studying languages (russian and japanese), since it's a 20 minute +/- drive to work and i found out the cassette player in the car works.

i've also been able to do more "studying" and reading at night, being as the power is on and it's easier to charge the laptop.

trying to get the group together this weekend for a little grill out and meet and greet as some of them don't know the others, yet, but, some might not be able to make it.

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« Reply #83 on: July 26, 2012, 01:59:02 PM »
looks like the baby is gonna be early. she went for a checkup today she's at -2 and dilated 3 cm. so, he's gonna be about 3 weeks early, looks like. she could go the full term but, i doubt it. and it looks like he might have a mohawk, which if you knew me... wouldn't be a surprise....

forgot i've also been working with the dog more. looks like he's not as smart as he should be lol, but, i think he'll be fine.

we got some chickens from my boss... three of them killed the rest, then two killed the third soooo, we only have two left. he says he doesn't want anyu more so he's just gonna keep on giving us the biddies. also says he's probably gonna give us a laying pair. they're bantams so, i'm thinking maybe the slightly more "aggressive nature of the banties might give them a little m"ore of a fighting chance in the woods where we live. also i'm hoping when we introduce the full sized chickens the banties might act as "bodyguards... sort of.. maybe... probably not but, it's a possibility. but, probably not.

group get together this weekend is cancelled. not enough people are gonna be able to make it.

i've posted two days in a row which obviously means we're slow at work... which isn't good.

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« Reply #84 on: August 23, 2012, 10:26:54 AM »
still no water line but, i've finally got some of my 50 gallon barrels. four poly (plastic) and one metal. the poly barrels will become  methane digesters and the metal one will be an attempt at a gasifier. if they work like i hope i plan to try and go "back off grid" by the end of the year. i should be getting more barrels in a couple of weeks which will go to the passive solar water heater, barrel ponics, rain catchment, and another set or two of methane digesters. i figure i'll need at LEAST one more digester to run the gasifier.

oh, yeah... we got married and had the baby, sooo...

cleaned up my wife's ipod and put all the pics on the computer so hopefully i'll have the time soon to post some of the projects i've been working on.

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« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2012, 10:29:42 AM »
congrats on your marriage and new son!!

how much waste do you have for the digester?

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« Reply #86 on: August 23, 2012, 10:59:09 AM »
Congrats man!

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #87 on: August 28, 2012, 08:16:19 AM »
congrats on your marriage and new son

how much waste do you have for the digester?

thanks.

ummm... i figure i'll basically have access to all i need. i have a small dairy farm about 2 miles north of me and 4 500ft chicken houses about a mile south. several properties within a four mile radius have either horses or cattle... or both. so i should be good on "organic material" for the digesters.

after production starts i figure i'll have about a gallon of waste per digester per day to have to get rid of but, i'm thinking i might be able to sell it as liquid fertilizer at the local farmer's market or feed stores and maybe make a couple of bucks in the process.

originally the idea was to use one of the digesters to power the burner on a gasifier system to power a generator. BUT... after looking at the "complexities" (filters, shakers, proper fuel for whichever type of gasifier, etc.) of the gasifier i'm been thinking about just buying a propane adapter and trying to run a generator on methane.

i've also got to check into whether or not methane will work in a propane refrigerator and freezer. if it will then i'll end up selling the ones we have and buying propane ones. i'll just need a way to compress the methane into the tanks.

the more i research it the more it seems like methane is the best option as far as "alternative fuels." it can be used to cook directly with an open flame, can be used to power generators and automobiles through "slight" modifications.

the only problems i can forsee are what to do with the waste when you drain the digesters to add new slurry. well, and smell if i have a leak. if it ends up being a problem or i can't get rid of the waste i'll have to look for something else.

ETA

let me clarify. the "SLIGHT" modifications can be expensive. however, i'm positive there are plenty of ways to DIY and i'm still not 100% that you can run a vehicle on methane. i know you can run an ICE on propane and/or from a gasifier. in my head it only makes sense that it SHOULD work. it make just take a little tinkering. hell, it may take a LOT of tinkering.
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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #88 on: August 28, 2012, 09:20:45 AM »
I would expect the waste would make good compost for at least trees/non foot shrubs (i you use human waste you should not put it on non-tree food plants).

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Re: Our "Experiment"
« Reply #89 on: August 28, 2012, 11:39:45 AM »
I would expect the waste would make good compost for at least trees/non foot shrubs (i you use human waste you should not put it on non-tree food plants).

when you add new slurry, which you apparently have to do every day, you have to drain some of the old "juices." if you let it sit for a day or two it'll finish digesting and should be a great fertilizer for pretty much anything, i think, being as it'll be nothing but cow, horse, and chicken manure with grass clipping, etc thrown in. and no, no human waste will be used.

however i have kicked around the idea of just taping into my septic tank to vent the methane from it but, that's not really something i'm even close to ready to undertake.

nothing to do at work so i've been able to do some more checking and you can indeed run a car, even fuel injected, off of methane. and i found a web article describing how to DIY the mods for just a few hundred dollars as opposed to a few thousand.