Author Topic: thinking about selling all guns  (Read 4092 times)

Offline fingerstylefunk

  • Prepper
  • **
  • Posts: 40
  • Karma: 2
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2012, 09:35:18 PM »
One thing I love about this country....if you want to sell em, go ahead man.

For me though.......
http://youtu.be/WTdO-w3xnpw
Make a joyful noise to the LORD, all the earth; break forth into joyous song and sing praises! --Psalm 98:4
Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears; let the weak say, "I am a warrior." Joel 3:10

Offline cmxterra

  • Dedicated Contributor
  • ******
  • Posts: 1490
  • Karma: 75
  • Bugging out in style.
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2012, 10:56:55 PM »
The process for constitutional amendments is a long one. It won't happen overnight. The republicans still have control of the house and the senate is very close to 50/50. I don't think I'd rush out and sell anytime soon. Pay attention and have your finger on the trigger so-to-speak. But I don't think the time is here yet.

On the other hand I wouldn't rush out and buy anything in the next couple years till we know how this will play out. I'm kinda thrown how many people are. What's the thought process here? If they ban them I want to be a felon too?!?!

You can not dominate a lawful moral man. So criminalize the behaviour (or guns) and you make the lawful man a criminal and then can dominate them.
concordia discors

Oderint dum metuat

Offline pokeshell

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 380
  • Karma: 10
  • Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand.
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2012, 11:52:14 PM »
Only if I know Jesus Christ is coming would be my answer to your dilemma.Remember Thou shall not murder,it's not thou shall not kill. Of course it says also to worry who can take your soul even more then you life.It's the razors edge on this one! One moment at a time! Atonement!

                        KF

He can kill food right? As long as there are proper permits and all? Even if not, does your moral code keep your moral compass  from feeding his family?

Why is it people assume we want guns to kill people? It is not like you can easly take a  deer with a fishing line and a buck-tail muskie bait! Here bucky bucky...

Shhhes

PokeShell


”I have a very strict gun control policy: if there’s a gun around, I want to be in control of it.”
~Clint Eastwood

Offline kiteflyer

  • Dedicated Contributor
  • ******
  • Posts: 1900
  • Karma: 46
  • The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2012, 07:35:29 AM »

 This is about human-kind and humanity not for hunting game and food gathering. You could murder for food however. 7 billion on the planet now and no end in site in this growth pattern,sooner of later we will be on the razor's edge. Choose wisely for War is not a great thing.

              KF
                   

The world population now stands at 7 billion and one in seven of these people is already hungry. By 2050 the population is expected to reach 9 billion. What does that mean for food security and hunger?


He can kill food right? As long as there are proper permits and all? Even if not, does your moral code keep your moral compass  from feeding his family?

Why is it people assume we want guns to kill people? It is not like you can easly take a  deer with a fishing line and a buck-tail muskie bait! Here bucky bucky...

Shhhes
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams

Offline rustyknife

  • Dedicated Contributor
  • ******
  • Posts: 1010
  • Karma: 28
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2012, 07:36:50 AM »
Dibs. :D

I'm young.  Full of piss and vinegar.  Strong-willed.  Not yet jaded enough to roll over like a good dog.  I can say one thing.  If "they" ever want to try a mass confiscation, well . . .

You show me yours I'll show you mine.

I'm old, tired and beat up. They can have them when they take them, not before. Talking with my favorite gun shop they said that they sold and will deliver by today 25K in guns and ammo sold the first week after elections. There's either going to be a whole bunch of boating/truck accidents or something else will happen if they try.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." Thomas Paine

"Survival is a form of rebellion, living is the punishment" Mr. Smith from the movie "The Way Back"

"Those who would give up freedom for a little security deserve neither" Ben Franklin

Ride hard as you can, rest when you die
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thouroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming "man what a ride!" Author unknown

Offline Fire Ant

  • Prepper
  • **
  • Posts: 26
  • Karma: 5
  • Awakened 2009, Oath Keeper
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2012, 07:48:18 AM »
Reality:

1. Unlikely that the House of Representatives would pass a new gun law or renew the "assault weapon ban" because it would be political suicide -- but it might happen now, or in two years with new House members.

1a.  IF such a law was passed, it would go to the Supreme Court and be found unconstitutional.

2. The UN treaty on gun control would be unlikely to pass the Senate with a 2/3 majority because it would be political suicide -- but it MIGHT pass now, or in two years with new Senators.

2a. IF such a treaty was passed, it would go to the Supreme Court and be found unconstitutional.

3.  The President could issue an Executive Order during a "state of emergency".

3a.  IF such an Executive Order was issued, it would go to the Supreme Court and be found unconstitutional. (Not in time to prevent confiscation, but eventually)

4.  Unfortunately, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court recently issued his opinion: anything that the President wants to be "constitutional", IS "constitutional", even a Federal Law saying that the government can make you buy products from private businesses -- like health insurance companies.

This Forum is about self reliance.  The government of the United States is "we the people".  "We the people" declared gun confiscation to be illegal on April 19, 1775.  That decision still stands, only because that same "jury" still has the final say in the matter -- unless we give it up by our own action/inaction.

Keep you guns somewhere safe.  Continue to prepare for good times and bad times, both will come eventually.
Oath Keeper

Offline rustyknife

  • Dedicated Contributor
  • ******
  • Posts: 1010
  • Karma: 28
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2012, 07:51:47 AM »
+1 Fire Ant. Well said.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." Thomas Paine

"Survival is a form of rebellion, living is the punishment" Mr. Smith from the movie "The Way Back"

"Those who would give up freedom for a little security deserve neither" Ben Franklin

Ride hard as you can, rest when you die
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thouroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming "man what a ride!" Author unknown

Offline Jack Crabb

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 666
  • Karma: 33
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2012, 08:24:57 AM »
Reality:

1. Unlikely that the House of Representatives would pass a new gun law or renew the "assault weapon ban" because it would be political suicide -- but it might happen now, or in two years with new House members.

1a.  IF such a law was passed, it would go to the Supreme Court and be found unconstitutional.

2. The UN treaty on gun control would be unlikely to pass the Senate with a 2/3 majority because it would be political suicide -- but it MIGHT pass now, or in two years with new Senators.

2a. IF such a treaty was passed, it would go to the Supreme Court and be found unconstitutional.

3.  The President could issue an Executive Order during a "state of emergency".

3a.  IF such an Executive Order was issued, it would go to the Supreme Court and be found unconstitutional. (Not in time to prevent confiscation, but eventually)

4.  Unfortunately, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court recently issued his opinion: anything that the President wants to be "constitutional", IS "constitutional", even a Federal Law saying that the government can make you buy products from private businesses -- like health insurance companies.

This Forum is about self reliance.  The government of the United States is "we the people".  "We the people" declared gun confiscation to be illegal on April 19, 1775.  That decision still stands, only because that same "jury" still has the final say in the matter -- unless we give it up by our own action/inaction.

Keep you guns somewhere safe.  Continue to prepare for good times and bad times, both will come eventually.

Obama is more likely to replace the conservative Supreme Court justices than the liberal ones, and he has the Senate to confirm them. Too many decisions our way have been 5-4 decisions. One new justice reverses the outcome.
Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.
 - Ronald Reagan

Offline archer

  • every day is sosdd..
  • Administrator
  • Ultimate Survival Veteran
  • *******
  • Posts: 13707
  • Karma: 302
    • Journey to Greener Pastures
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2012, 11:31:40 AM »
+1 Fire Ant.
Supreme Court Justices can only be removed by Impeachment, stepping down, or by death.


From a friend: Benjamin Franklin once said that beer is proof that God loves us.
I'm of the opinion that Redheads are proof that, contrary to popular belief, Satan also loves us.
My small blog: http://journeytogreenerpastures.blogspot.com/

Offline Chemsoldier

  • Dedicated Contributor
  • ******
  • Posts: 1427
  • Karma: 148
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2012, 11:44:24 AM »
+1 Fire Ant.
Supreme Court Justices can only be removed by Impeachment, stepping down, or by death.
Additionally the Supreme Court is VERY reluctant to revisit precedents. So the victories won are more or less permanent.  While there is plenty of room in the rulings for anti-liberty types to maneuver.

There are also a lot of pro-2A dems in the house right now that have no desire the commit political suicide.

Yes of course there is danger and reasons to be vigilant...but this is not 1994 all over again.
"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they've tried everything else"
-Winston Churchill

"You think health care is expensive now? Wait until its free!"
-P.J. O'Rourke

Offline joeinwv

  • The Bee Whisperer
  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *******
  • Posts: 2511
  • Karma: 90
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2012, 12:11:57 PM »
He can probably get a Clinton style ban through.

My concern is new ammo taxes.

Offline Nomad, 2nd

  • Survivor
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
  • Karma: 2
  • New TSP Forum member
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2012, 03:29:11 AM »
I think you should sell them.


Mindset is more important than hardware.

You have shown yours.

Offline kiteflyer

  • Dedicated Contributor
  • ******
  • Posts: 1900
  • Karma: 46
  • The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2012, 05:33:25 AM »

Yeah however firearms and abortions would be the two hot topics to just leave alone,after all both hold down the population growth.

                       serf



Additionally the Supreme Court is VERY reluctant to revisit precedents. So the victories won are more or less permanent.  While there is plenty of room in the rulings for anti-liberty types to maneuver.

There are also a lot of pro-2A dems in the house right now that have no desire the commit political suicide.

Yes of course there is danger and reasons to be vigilant...but this is not 1994 all over again.
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams

Offline Cedar

  • Autarkist Queen
  • Master Ant
  • ***********
  • Posts: 17642
  • Karma: 594
  • Dont wait for the storm to pass, dance in the rain
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2012, 07:08:08 PM »
Guys.. don't we hear this every four years? Over and over regardless who comes into office?

I remember people talking about needing to buy guns due to Bush Jr.
  • There are a lot of gun owners who worked hard to put President Bush into office, and there are a lot of gun owners who felt betrayed by him, because he chose his powerful friends in the gun lobby over the police officers and families he promised to protect.
  • Bush said if Congress would vote to extend the ban on assault weapons, that he’d sign the legislation, but he did nothing to encourage Congress to extend it.
  • Bush called for tougher enforcement of gun laws
  • Bush wanted a ban on automatic weapons & high-capacity ammunition clips
  • Bush wanted to change the legal age of buying a gun from 18-21.
  • Bush ban large ammunition clips.
  • Ford asked Congress to ban the manufacture and sale of  "Saturday night specials."
  • Nixon said unless we adopt and enforce strict gun control laws--ones much tougher than the Brady Bill--we will never succeed in stemming the violence spawned by the drug trade.

Cedar
"Do not breathe simply to exist."

Offline Shaunypoo

  • Dedicated Contributor
  • ******
  • Posts: 1267
  • Karma: 43
  • "He is a platypus, they don't do much." - Phineas
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2012, 07:26:29 PM »
I think you should sell them.


Mindset is more important than hardware.

You have shown yours.

+1  This is important.

That being said, do you see a future where you may need to defend you and yours? 


There will never be a gun free world.
“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”  Robert Heinlein

"There's this new thing called Situational Awareness!"  Sterling Archer

Offline wraithe

  • Survivor
  • ***
  • Posts: 148
  • Karma: 12
  • Retired Navy nuke Chief
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2013, 07:35:50 PM »
Wish I could lay claim to this one, talking to a buddy of mine today, fellow retired Chief, told me "I'm waiting on the President to lead, when his house is gun free, I'll consider making mine gun free."
Knows a whole lot of things, just most of those things aren't very useful. I'll talk your ears off about airplanes, electronics, electricity, nuclear power, computers and engines of all kinds.


Offline CR Williams

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 387
  • Karma: 17
    • In Shadow In Light
Re: thinking about selling all guns
« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2013, 10:17:26 AM »
Guys.. don't we hear this every four years? Over and over regardless who comes into office?

I remember people talking about needing to buy guns due to Bush Jr.
  • There are a lot of gun owners who worked hard to put President Bush into office, and there are a lot of gun owners who felt betrayed by him, because he chose his powerful friends in the gun lobby over the police officers and families he promised to protect.
  • Bush said if Congress would vote to extend the ban on assault weapons, that he’d sign the legislation, but he did nothing to encourage Congress to extend it.
  • Bush called for tougher enforcement of gun laws
  • Bush wanted a ban on automatic weapons & high-capacity ammunition clips
  • Bush wanted to change the legal age of buying a gun from 18-21.
  • Bush ban large ammunition clips.
  • Ford asked Congress to ban the manufacture and sale of  "Saturday night specials."
  • Nixon said unless we adopt and enforce strict gun control laws--ones much tougher than the Brady Bill--we will never succeed in stemming the violence spawned by the drug trade.

Cedar

None of these guys is an all-but-declared socialist with what may be the strongest media support in history who is riding on the wave of a shooting event that left 20 elementary-school children dead. That's the difference this time.

I don't think Feinstein will get everything she wants, I don't think McCarthy will get everything she wants. I do think they'll get something, and that what they'll get will be detrimental to us.
My cats support the 2nd Amendment.

In Shadow In Light - dedicated to the study and advancement of the art and the science of the fight.

www.inshadowinlight.com