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TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« on: November 13, 2012, 02:21:01 PM »
I am going to start collecting suggestions of courses and resource check list. I am just collecting ideas now, we can prioritize them later. just to get things started....

Courses:
IS-100
IS-700


Resources:
5gal cans of gas
Generator or invert or
Trailer for car
Chain saw
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2012, 03:00:43 PM »
I have no intention of bringing a chainsaw to a disaster, there are trained teams that can operate them. Way too much risk of injury for me to consider.
Please allow me to redirect this in a more suitable direction.
Solid pair of boots.
Leather gloves.
Non-Latex gloves.
Long pants.
Safety glasses.
Willingness to Help Others and Work as a Group.
Please try this for a starting point. Instead of chainsaws and trailers.
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2012, 03:13:59 PM »
I have no intention of bringing a chainsaw to a disaster, there are trained teams that can operate them. Way too much risk of injury for me to consider.

Suggestion: Every item on this list should be assumed to include the words: "and the knowledge and ability to perform the required tasks correctly and safely."  Because otherwise every item is going to turn into a safety/training argument.

Another suggestion: A separate thread titled something like "TSP DRT worries and concerns, and possible solutions" (or something like that).

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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2012, 03:24:42 PM »
Mr. Bill, I believe hootie is listing items everyone should be required to have. I have been following his post on the other thread were he was talking about creating a new thread to list items everyone should have at a minimum to be allowed to participate. If im mistaken please let me know. Going to read back now.
After reading the previous posts...Im not sure. Hootie, are you listing personal resources or making suggestions for everyone?
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2012, 04:17:53 PM »
Just generally collecting ideas.

 Once we have a good list, then we can ask people to mark what they have for resources. And figure out what our gaps are.

I plan to let someone far smarter than I discuss what is important and what course are more critical. Just want to keep it organized. I will talk with the Mod/Admin where and how to publish this list.
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2012, 07:59:57 PM »
I would include IS 200 as a training requirement to 100 & 700.  If I were running a local group, we'd then expand over time to 800a, and other NIMS and ICS related courses like 230, 241, 244, and 454.  The more the team understands EM's roles and reach, the better we can help people left out. 

I would think equipment would be determined by both the local team, and the incident.  There really isn't a "go kit" for this kind of stuff... you have to assess the incident, and determine from there what gear you feel will best serve your objective(s).
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2012, 08:17:57 PM »
There really isn't a "go kit" for this kind of stuff... you have to assess the incident, and determine from there what gear you feel will best serve your objective(s).

I agree, the go kit would have to be built after see the situation...

here is the list I got so far
Resource List:
Chain Saw
Gas
Connection to Gov Officals
Generators
propane stoves
composting toilet, water filter, and some camp chow
 A digital camera, and camcorder to start taking pictures for insurance.
info packet of maybe checklist of where to go, what to do next
cell/sat/ham radio
protection
food/water
shelter
bread maker
Inverter
proper clothing




Courses Skills:
CERT
Ham Radio
ARES
RACES
IS-100
IS-700
MERT
NIMS
ICS
HASMAT
IS-317
IS-200
IS-230/241/244/454
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2012, 09:07:37 AM »
North Central Alabama, able to travel within surrounding states. Professional Powersports/Automotive Mechanic, including generators. Here is a list of some of the resources I have at my disposal.
IS-00100.b
Introduction to Incident Command System
ICS-100
IS-00200.b
ICS for Single Resources and
Initial Action Incident, ICS-200
IS-00700.a
National Incident Management System (NIMS)
An Introduction
IS-00800.b
National Response Framework, An Introduction
ICS 300
For Expanding Incidents
C.E.R.T. Team Training
IS-00265
Basic Instructional Skills
40 Hour U.S.D.O.T. First Responder Training
American Heart Association BLS Healthcare Provider
American Heart Association Heartsaver Instructor
Authorized to Teach:
Heartsaver CPR
Heartsaver CPR in Schools
Heartsaver AED
Heartsaver First Aid
Heartsaver Pediatric First Aid
Family & Friends

Full Size Pick-Up
6X10 Trailer
1200/1500 Watt Generator
55gal Poly Water Barrel
Multiple Fuel Storage Containers
2cycle Fuel Oil Mixing System
Bicycle(Alternate Transportation On-Site)
Air Compressor(For Pneumatic Tools)
Complete Professional Mechanic Tool Set(Mobile)
Table Top Propane Grill and 40lb Cylinder

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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2012, 09:23:04 AM »
Where could folks go for these courses?


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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2012, 09:27:20 AM »
A list like this would be great for the head coordinators to use in a database. I have WAY minimal database design and building skills but this would be great to say select;

North America -> Midwest -> Available resources -> from zip ##### a=

And you get who and what is available. Select what they need based on the situation, then hit send and e-mail/text message goes out to those that are available.

Not a negative, but what if your generator gets stolen, or you get a new skill/training/resource or you move. How would the list get updated. Because I complained about this here are two possible solutions.

User login and updated skills/assets page only modifiable by user.
or (because i say two)
1st of month a list goes to a central bot to inventory. (experience on small scale and it works, not sue how it would on larger scale)

Any thought go to the international listeners? I kinda overlooked that part of things.
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2012, 10:27:00 AM »
Here is the link for FEMA Independent Study:

http://www.training.fema.gov/IS/

I would advocate for completing 100, 700 and 200 first.  They will be prerequisites for any "advanced" classroom courses like 300 & 400.
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2012, 12:14:17 PM »
Equipment I have available:
Jeep 4X4 equipped with roof rack storage, 2 meter radio/ant. 75 watts, shovel/axe, Super Hi-lift jack
1) 5 gal gas can
1) 5 gal potable water can
1) hand held 2 meter/70cm radio 4 watts
couple extra blankets
propane fryer/cooker / think turkey fryer size
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2012, 01:06:42 PM »
100, 200, 700, and 800 are prerequisite for the 300 classroom.
http://www.training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/IS100b.asp
http://www.training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/IS200b.asp
http://www.training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/is700a.asp
http://www.training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/IS800b.asp

C.E.R.T. is most commonly taught at the county level, check the website for a program near you.
http://www.citizencorps.gov/cc/searchCert.do?submitByZip

For CPR classes.
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/CPRAndECC/FindaCourse/Find-a-Course_UCM_303220_SubHomePage.jsp

First Responder Training is generally available to members of volunteer fire departments. Check with your local fire department. Its a 40 hour classroom course.

Hope this answers your question.
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2012, 09:09:34 PM »
propane fryer/cooker / think turkey fryer size

Great list. I totally forgot about my turkey fryer... you could make a lot of warm soup in those... adding all your points to the master list!


100, 200, 700, and 800 are prerequisite for the 300 classroom.

For CPR classes.
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/CPRAndECC/FindaCourse/Find-a-Course_UCM_303220_SubHomePage.jsp


great links +1.  i will add them all to the list.
I went to the 'heart' site, but couldn't figure out what type of cpr course i needed. any suggestions.
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2012, 10:18:13 PM »
saw this on an other post and thought... this would be great for this post too

Hit the dollar store. We packed "go boxes, or giveaway boxes for under 25 bucks.
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2012, 05:39:46 AM »
Questions:

What will the mission be for DRT? Will it be clean up (chainsaws and trashbags) or providing food and water and other resources?

What size community are we looking to serve? If we show up with adequate resources for 500 in an area with 5000 in need we may get 'overrun.'

For those who are bringing cooking gear: Do you know how to feed large crowds good food and quickly?

Don't forget we also need to provide for all the needs of the DRT responders: Will each responder do this or will we 'centralize it?' My vote is to centralize some of it (i.e. have a camp cook with food reserved for the DRT)

My resources:

F350 w/8' bed and snow plow (you never know) - will be buyiong a trailer next year or could pull someone's

2 portable 36" griddles. I cook at events with these. On just 1 I can cook 'breakfast to order' for more than 100 people. I can feed hot lunch to 150+ in about an hour (depending on the food choices).

3 propane tanks (20 lbs each) and looking to get more as this is part of my preps but also picked up some more cooking gigs.

Several Canopies - 2ea 10x10 with side walls, 1ea 10x20 with sidewalls or 24x20 with sidewalls up

2 Small portable refrigerators

1 small 'portable' chest freezer

spare gas cans  (I need to get diesel ones for my truck)

8KW portable generator

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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2012, 08:13:15 AM »
Seeing as how I'm retired I think that I would be available about 95% of the time for deployment.  I can drive just about anywhere, driving 8-10 hours per day.  In addition to the above mentioned items like 4x4 truck, trailer, chainsaw, etc., I also have two items I haven't seen listed:

4x4 Yamaha Rhino (side x side ATV)
gas powered water pump

I am also revisiting the FEMA courses (been a while since I was there)

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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2012, 12:42:29 PM »
Courses:
IS-100
IS-700

Both I would also suggest also to add to this would be IS-200 for quick response crews or teams
also if it eventually got into pre planning and help such as in wild fire threat before there is a actual fire but in high priority areas would be SO215 witch is fire operations in wildland/ urban interface and it teaches what you can do to reduce the risk of a house or property starting on fire now these types of teams would need to have other classes in a situation that there is a viable threat that is closing in but this is just another aspect to eventually get into to help even more
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2012, 04:10:28 AM »
My Fire Dept. just went though the Acredidation process this year. Basically most of if not all USAF Fire Departments are not nationally recognized as "Fire Departments." We are the first big USAF Fire Dept to go through the process and I believe it can be of help to the Leads for the DRT.

I can provide our Standard Operating Guidlines, Flight Managment Plans, and Standard of Cover to the leads. They are not classified documents and are viewable by the public, but I'd rather not post all of them here. If this is something that is of interest to the DRT leadership, please do not hesitate to get in contact with me via PM.


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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2012, 08:11:17 AM »

Bicycle(Alternate Transportation On-Site)


Genius. 

Great idea. 

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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2012, 06:50:19 PM »
these are great ideas, keeps them coming

also saw this on the comments for one of the TSP Eps...

LED Work light (only 15watt, 800 lumens)

While not a bright as the standard 500watt halogen work light (10,000 lumens); a lot less power, and a lot more durable. but still kind of pricy at $35 (vs 500 watt = $7)

http://www.homedepot.com/Electrical-Electrical-Tools-Accessories-Work-Lights/Husky/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbm8pZrd/R-203343386/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051#.ULVaItPjkWg
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2012, 08:31:43 PM »
I hope this is the correct spot for this but these are the corses i had to take in order to get into the ARES side of emergency comms.

It is recommended that Section Staff  Take These Classes

    IS-100a:  Introduction to Incident Command System

v     S-200a:  ICS for Single Resource and Initial Incidents

v     S-288:  The Role of Voluntary Agencies in Emergency Management

v    IS-700:  National Incident Management System (NIMS), an Introduction

     IS-800b:  National Response Framework, an Introduction

b     Basic First Aid/CPR

       EmComm Level 1, 2 & 3 provided by ARRL

    It is recommended that District Staff Take These Classes

     IS-100a:  Introduction to Incident Command System

        IS-288:  The Role of Voluntary Agencies in Emergency Management

        Basic First Aid/CPR

        EmComm Level 1, 2 & 3 provided by ARRL

   It is recommended that All ARES Personnel Take These Classes

       IS-100a:  Introduction to Incident Command System

       Basic First Aid/CPR

       EmComm Level 1, & 2  provided by ARRL

this is the link to most of it. http://training.fema.gov/IS/

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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2012, 08:11:47 PM »
It seemed like a good morale booster from what I noticed, but I am considering bringing stuff to make coffee on site. Not a coffee maker since it takes much to power, but something I could run off a small propane stove maybe. Also hoping to install backup power on our jeep so that it could power some small items on site.
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2012, 11:54:49 AM »
Questions:

What will the mission be for DRT? Will it be clean up (chainsaws and trashbags) or providing food and water and other resources?

What size community are we looking to serve? If we show up with adequate resources for 500 in an area with 5000 in need we may get 'overrun.'

For those who are bringing cooking gear: Do you know how to feed large crowds good food and quickly?

Don't forget we also need to provide for all the needs of the DRT responders: Will each responder do this or will we 'centralize it?' My vote is to centralize some of it (i.e. have a camp cook with food reserved for the DRT)
Jmtc, but the "mission" will be as varied as the actual emergency and the situation as it develops. "No plan survives contact with the "enemy" intact".

It was my undertstanding that Jack wanted to "fill in the cracks", let ARC et al handle 100's or 1000's, DRT might need to help the 20 or 50 or so that aren't "big enough" for "system" attention while the "needs of the many are addressed".

DRT "could" be as small as a recon squad to go in and assess, report back to request additional resources, and maintain for themselves in the meantime until the cavalry arrives. Could be 6 or so folks in the back of a pickup with their BOB's w/ a 72 hr food supply, maybe some packets/case of soup base/MRE's for victims. I'd think that each member would need to be self-reliant for at least a week upon arrival on scene, then re-supplied through "logistics control & command".
Fwiw, the more one relies on "Central Planning", often the less flexible you can be. Small and agile will be DRT's strength & assets, imo.  :)
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2013, 11:10:20 AM »
I like the Recon Team aspect. If employed, I recommend a common report format that has the inputs that we would need to determine our ability to assist. Receiving reports that have standard location (google map/MGRS NEW/Lat long), activity levels (chaos, organized), primary threat (forest fire, flood, freezing, no power, lack of water), estimated numbers needing assistance and type. The way that we would send reports will need to be diverse. In my area of NM, cell phones aren't the best way to transmit, but a SPOT device can send the right messages. My job doesn't necessarily allow me to leave at a moment's notice, but to move in (maybe route recon depending on situation), report, coordinate link ups with follow on team, and return is a feasable way for me (and likely others) to assist. 

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« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2013, 11:36:26 AM »
Once again TSP community thanks for all the ideas and suggestions you are providing.  They all are being reviewed and studied and are providing direction for the team.  There's a bunch of dedicated folks with a lot of experience working hard to get the team organized and functional.  We surely appreciate all of the input.

Again, thanks and keep 'em comming.

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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2013, 09:03:43 PM »
Picked up a bread maker from a thrift store ($10). Made my first loaf of bread... See Steven Harris's interview about making bread in your car in a disaster.

Maybe I should start collecting a few more when I see them for $10...
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2013, 05:52:53 AM »
There was a flood once in the County next to the one I live in.  As the water started coming up, we knew about it right away.  I called some friends who owned businesses or had good jobs and within an hour had some of them at my office with cash.  We took a couple of pickup trucks and went to the local Wal-Mart and K-Mart stores.  We explained we were on our way to that County and asked if they would give us a discount on a load of drinking water and bleach.  They agreed immediately and we loaded both vehicles down with as much as they would safely carry.

We pulled into the first affected town just as the waters were receding, people were still standing in their front yards or on their front porches with that hollow, dazed, deer in the headlights look.  Mud, debris and water was still everywhere, the houses were just dripping wet and the smell was quite unique.  It was really sad.  We started stopping at every house  and checking to see if anyone was hurt and just made contact with people.  We listened to their story, even though it was the same at every house, we told them we understood their pain, that we cared about them and gave them some drinking water and bleach. Then we went to the next house.  They didn't ask whop we were or where we were from, most of them just cried.

People were devastated and we just went straight to their front porches.  They were still in shock many of them, words really can't describe it. 

We didn't have the benefit of a lot of organization or planning, we just knew there were gonna be some hurting people there so we grabbed what we could and went. When we were out of water and bleach, we went home, it took a few hours. There wasn't anything else we could do at the moment. It was an experience I will never forget. 

We did it anonymously and we didn't ask for anyone's permission.  If we had, the experience would have been much different I think.  My hometown flooded in 2001, I lost my home and every thing that I owned just about.  (You know its bad when you look up and see a Red Cross truck in your driveway and you feel a huge sense of relief, an experience you never forget)  But the pillage that went on in the aftermath was disgusting.  The people that weren't affected, from neighborhoods minimally hit or totally outside the flood zone, came into our town and claimed the supplies and help that the disaster relief agencies brought in.  Most of us that were flooded were at our houses trying to save them.  The local high school where the Red Cross was set up was over run by people who were just getting what they cold get, and make no mistake, the handouts were substantial.  A family could get $1,800.00 worth of vouchers for clothing, mattresses, food, etc. from the Red Cross on the spot, and with no real verification of being affected.  DHHS was issuing families hundreds of dollars worth of food stamps no questions asked, clinics were there giving away medications and free medical care, and the list goes on and on.  those places were over run with people who didn't need anything. 

That's why when it happened again in the county next to me, we went to the houses right away.  That's a good place to find the people who are really hurting in a disaster.  It may be the person who just doesn't have a way out of the area or it may be the guy who is trying to save the frame of a house that didn't have insurance.  But that's the place to look.

Anyway, just my two cents worth. 
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Re: TSP DRT - Requirements and Resource list
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2013, 09:45:57 PM »
I could make available:
My '02 Avalanche with multiple 12v outlets and inverters as well as dual batteries
10x20 canopy with sides (no gable ends pending purchase,  but would TSP logo's on em be good?)
3500 w genny
Heavy duty extension chord w/ 4 outlets (25')
15 gal. Gas in can
Portable tables (2)
Portable picnic tables (2)
Folding chairs (4)
Mr. Heater with multiple bottles
Coolers for ice or water

these are just general ideas for setting up a shelter and/or cell phone charging station and food/water relief area as these would not necessarily require training but fulfill immediate needs. I'm looking to be of relatively immediate help but not interfere with the professionals.
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