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Gun control bills introduced in the house
« on: January 04, 2013, 07:49:33 PM »
I posted the list by number and title at my blog.

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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 10:38:47 PM »
Nice and concise. Would you want to add H.R. 35 and 133 from the other side? They're to get rid of the gun free zones. I read about them here.

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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 11:03:04 PM »
What is the point of H.R. 142 especially that part about reporting of bulk orders
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 11:09:16 PM »
The point of 142 is no internet sales. Because everyone knows that criminals and mass shooters buy their ammo over the internet.

Bulk orders is also a key precursor to mass killing and shooting by criminals and mass murders.

I thought everyone knew that  :o

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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2013, 01:56:16 AM »
OK second question... what counts as a bulk order anything over 10 rounds? 50? 100? Also why licensing ammo dealers (god makes them sound like drug dealers)
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2013, 10:15:48 AM »
OK second question... what counts as a bulk order anything over 10 rounds? 50? 100?

We'll have to wait for the text of the bill to be published; could be specified in the bill, or could be left to the regulating authority (in this case BATFE).
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2013, 03:25:42 PM »
H.R. 65 – To prevent children’s access to firearms.

Sponsor – Sheila Jackson Lee, TX
co-sponsors – none


So what in the heck does this mean? If you have children at home you can't own firearms?
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2013, 03:29:55 PM »
The Hill has some speculation on what these bills mean, buy I'm waiting until I see the text for myself.

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And Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) proposed H.R. 65, which would raise the eligibility age to carry a handgun from 18 to 21.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/275587-10-gun-bills-introduced-in-first-day-of-the-house#ixzz2H8fuc4EY
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2013, 04:09:59 PM »
The Hill has some speculation on what these bills mean, buy I'm waiting until I see the text for myself.


Yep because that would've stopped the psycho from taking handguns into that school.  ::)
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2013, 05:33:31 PM »
I learned of a website today at POPVOX.com. It lists all the bills introduced in the House so far and allows you to support or oppose with emails to legislators.

There are probably several sites like this, but this was easy to use and informative.
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2013, 05:57:59 PM »
I learned of a website today at POPVOX.com. It lists all the bills introduced in the House so far and allows you to support or oppose with emails to legislators.

There are probably several sites like this, but this was easy to use and informative.

I haven't explored the site fully, but this alone is encouraging! Even if it is only based on 4800 people.

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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2013, 08:44:19 PM »
Nice to see they are ALL democrats >_<

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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2013, 09:50:30 PM »
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2013, 11:21:05 PM »
Those people up on the hill are acting like fascist dictators! They are growing more bold at legislating against the will of the people. Just an observation.
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2013, 08:13:15 PM »
As with most people, gun control bills have been on my mind lately and of course what freedoms our elected officials plan on taking away.

With so many guns out in the public sector, banning anything really seems futile in my thought process and confiscation i really don't believe has a chance in hell. However, controlling ammunition whether by something like HR 142 or maybe even better- price controls. When a single bullet cost 1, 2, or even 3 bucks you have really made a lot of the guns on the street nothing more than a club.

Maybe investing in reloading equipment and learning to reload might be a good idea.
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2013, 07:45:29 AM »
Pretty scary what you can learn when you start looking at what some Congressional Reps are proposing: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hjres15/text, a bill to repeal the 22nd Amendment, remove term limits for the President.

I would also like to hear your opinions on this particular article: http://www.redstate.com/mikehammond/2013/01/04/whether-the-semi-automatic-ban-passes-may-depend-on-what-happens-to-the-senate-rules/.
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2013, 08:31:55 AM »
Pretty scary what you can learn when you start looking at what some Congressional Reps are proposing: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hjres15/text, a bill to repeal the 22nd Amendment, remove term limits for the President.

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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2013, 10:45:23 AM »
Pretty scary what you can learn when you start looking at what some Congressional Reps are proposing: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hjres15/text, a bill to repeal the 22nd Amendment, remove term limits for the President.

ALL HAIL OBAMA called Caesar!!  or maybe Chairman Obama... the founding father of The United Socialist Police State of America!

I'm blown away by the little or no coverage this bill has gotten, i believe it failed anyway but still.  I live in the hell hole known as NY and until i found that web site, i had never heard of this.  This bill from one of our corrupt NY congressmen follow on the heels of our mafia family Gov. Cuomo's gun ban which is even more restrictive than the unnameable evil-one from CA.

NY's gun ban even includes direct reference to the second amendment and it would require EVERY INDIVIDUAL LINE of the bill to be deemed unconstitutional LINE BY LINE in order to defeat any piece of the legislation!  It also defines AR-15's as weapons that are only purposed for the killing of human beings since they don't need to "aimed" and "spray" fire. 

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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2013, 11:03:23 AM »
The fact that the left has the cojones to introduce legislation to try and remove term limits to the anointed one can try to stay in office smacks of arrogant hubris. What the he!! is going on in this country?
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2013, 11:35:28 AM »
As with most people, gun control bills have been on my mind lately and of course what freedoms our elected officials plan on taking away.

With so many guns out in the public sector, banning anything really seems futile in my thought process and confiscation i really don't believe has a chance in hell. However, controlling ammunition whether by something like HR 142 or maybe even better- price controls. When a single bullet cost 1, 2, or even 3 bucks you have really made a lot of the guns on the street nothing more than a club.

Maybe investing in reloading equipment and learning to reload might be a good idea.

I was doing a little thought experiment on the potential consequences of bans, etc. In round numbers:

The federal court system processes 83,000 cases a year.
There are 200,000 federal prisoners.
There are 70 to 100 million gun owners.
A petit jury for a criminal trial has 12 members.

Assuming not all gun owners own items that would be subject to ban, and not all wish to commit acts of civil disobedience, a 1% noncompliance rate should a safe low-ball figure.

So, that is between 700,000 and 1 million new cases the federal court system would have to address the day after a ban on possession is implemented. There is no way the court system can be expanded 8.5 to 12 times its present size to prosecute all the disobedient gun owners. In FY 2010, their budget was $7 billion. It would have to go to $84 billion give or take.

If one grand jury heard each case for only one minute, it would take about 2 years running nonstop to issue all the indictments. Speedy trial anyone?

Imagine if everyone of the 1 million accused then demanded jury trials. That could be up to 12 million citizens called to jury duty.

If each trial lasted 2 days, that is almost 5,500 years of trials - the equivalent of all of recorded human history.

What if they all refused deals, the prison system or probation/parole system cannot be expanded 3.5 to 5 times to house everyone who kept an aluminum or steel or plastic tube that David Gregory possessed without consequence.

Then there is the appellate process.

Simple noncompliance could easily overwhelm the system.
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2013, 12:09:56 PM »
Those are interesting numbers... especially thinking along the lines of only 1% non compliance of the population.

My fear however, is that they are extremely picky about who and what they go after with their powers.

For instance, you leave the rural states and population centers alone, and just enforce the suburban and highly populated areas.

In other words, blue state vs red state enforcement.
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2013, 12:12:04 PM »
That is a very good point Jack Crabb. That is very similar to the actions that have gotten the red light cameras out of many cities. I myself refused to pay a couple of those tickets. I feel that those simple actions made a big point. I am happy to point out as well that no consequences were felt for that little bit of civil disobedience. The system depends on compliance, especially on a subject as emotionally charged as the second amendment.
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2013, 01:04:17 PM »
Those are interesting numbers... especially thinking along the lines of only 1% non compliance of the population.

My fear however, is that they are extremely picky about who and what they go after with their powers.

For instance, you leave the rural states and population centers alone, and just enforce the suburban and highly populated areas.

In other words, blue state vs red state enforcement.

they could also enforce those that have stuff to loose - threaten to take kids away and put them "in the system" and you suddenly get a lot of compliance.  Make examples out of a few and the rest will fold.
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2013, 04:46:22 PM »
I learned of a website today at POPVOX.com. It lists all the bills introduced in the House so far and allows you to support or oppose with emails to legislators.

There are probably several sites like this, but this was easy to use and informative.

http://www.opencongress.org/ does a good job of this also.  I like to click on "bills", then click on "hot bills on OC".  Takes you right to gun rights bills and other hot topics and provides a quick glance at the popular opinion.
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2013, 05:23:21 PM »
http://www.opencongress.org/ does a good job of this also.  I like to click on "bills", then click on "hot bills on OC".  Takes you right to gun rights bills and other hot topics and provides a quick glance at the popular opinion.

I'm fond of GovTrack.us. You can create your own "docket"; basically a home page with all the bills you are tracking and their current status.
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2013, 05:36:30 PM »
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=40222.0;topicseen

Thanks, Morning Sunshine.

Term limits and other non-firearms-related politics are off-topic for this thread ("Gun control bills introduced in the house") and this board (Firearms Legislation And News).

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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2013, 08:30:41 PM »
Thanks, Morning Sunshine.

Term limits and other non-firearms-related politics are off-topic for this thread ("Gun control bills introduced in the house") and this board (Firearms Legislation And News).

Thanks for explaining it to me, I couldn't go to the link, apparently I'm still restricted at my level.

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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2013, 08:36:30 PM »
The text of "H.R. 21 - To provide for greater safety in the use of firearms", all 37 pages of it,  is now online;

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr21/text

I took a stab at summarizing it;

http://regularguyreview.com/text-of-h-r-21-to-provide-for-greater-safety-in-the-use-of-firearms-now-online/

The most troubling section:

SEC. 301. GRANTING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THE AUTHORITY TO DENY THE SALE, DELIVERY, OR TRANSFER OF A FIREARM OR THE ISSUANCE OF A FIREARMS OR EXPLOSIVES LICENSE OR PERMIT TO DANGEROUS TERRORISTS.
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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2013, 09:51:59 PM »
Troubling indeed, especially when you read the bill with a little knowledge of recent history knowing what Janet Napolitano believes and refuses to apologize to us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAygnB-xQCY

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

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Re: Gun control bills introduced in the house
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2013, 08:35:00 AM »
Thanks Cooter!  I wonder how the CCW portion would apply to VT, where anyone 18 or older can carry openly or concealed without a permit?
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