List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?

[Cedar]

Bi-Mart is not ok with open carry (we are open carry in Oregon), fine with concealed.

Cedar

[armymars]

  My Costco has no signs. I least I've never seen any.

[bigjim71]

Did anyone notice that Sylvester Stalone was on this list http://www.opposingviews.com/i/celebrities/nra-releases-list-celebrities-organizations-support-gun-control

A man that has mad Millions and Millions showing the glorification of violence with fire arms now wants to take away my right to self protection.... so sick of these hypocrite  bastards.

[nelson96]

Didn't he star in a movie where his biggest line was "I AM THE LAW"? . . .  I guess he took it to heart.

[theBINKYhunter]

because of my job, we have a friend of a friend who works with stalone's brother and does his music. my boss is actually one relationship closer in that chain than i am. this may actually lead to me getting to meet him, which would be cool.

his last rambo was actually filmed in our neck of thailand/burma and from what i heard that filming really affected him. he worked closely with the karen tribe which is who we work with. apparently seeing what they and the burmese are going through really changed his views.

[Oil Lady]

I have to do TB tests and other medical tests for my healthcare certification to keep my job. So my employer contracts a company called Concerta and pays for me to get a blood draw or two every 6 months (and those damned annoying TB tests also). 

Concerta has a nationwide network of walk-in laboratories and walk-in urgent care centers.

The one I have to go to every 6 months has an embarrassingly over-stated sign out front which screams quite loudly that no firearms are allowed on the premises.

And here's a legal abstract from 2008 covering an unlawful termination of employment lawsuit from a former employee of Cencerta who was fired when it was discovered he was concealed carrying to work all the time. Winters v, Concerta Health Services, Inc.

http://www.volokh.com/posts/1207206303.shtml

The lawsuit asserted that since there was no stated company policy against carrying, he should not have been fired.

I guess maybe that sign out front at my local Concerta here in Springfield, Massachusetts is the result of his lawsuit.


 

[RitaRose1945]

The lawsuit asserted that since there was no stated company policy against carrying, he should not have been fired.

My company's policy on employees with guns is just... odd.  Though, in a way, fairly logical at the same time.

Under no circumstances are we ever allowed to carry firearms, pepper spray, mace or any weapon of any kind while working, in uniform or in a company vehicle.

Unless we're on an overnight trip out in the boonies.  Then we can be packing whatever heat makes us happy.

[Mexican_Hippie]

I think you meant Concentra.  They're actually owned by Humana.

I've seen their "ghostbuster" no-guns signs here.  Those signs don't mean anything legally in Texas so I walked right on past them when I had to go there.

Where I work the policy is really broad, basically saying no weapons at all are allowed.  There's a lot of pro-gun people in our office but many of the policies are written in NY or at more of a global level. 

The HR lady in our office is pretty cool.  I told her that I'm the weapon and guns and such are just my tools.  I also asked if "these guns" were allowed (flexing my biceps).  She laughed and said that I know what the policy means, she didn't write it, and not to get myself in trouble.

[RitaRose1945]

Don't like Concentra one bit.

I've seen broken hips misdiagnosed as muscle strains ("Just keep working your very active job walking 15 miles over uneven surfaces every day... and make sure you stretch a lot") for more than a month, and major auto accidents glossed over.  They're very obviously in the pocket of the company, at least here.  I'm hoping we're an anomaly here and they treat patients better elsewhere.

[joelevi]

Not exactly the question that was being asked, but as far as the law is concerned in Utah, here are the places that can lawfully prohibit carrying of firearms (anything else is just a request by a property owner):

- federal or state restricted areas i.e. any airport secured area,
- federal facilities, courts, correctional & mental health facilities,
- law enforcement secured areas,
- any secured area in which firearms are prohibited and notice posted, or otherwise prohibited by state of federal law.
- a house of worship or private residence where notice given and/or posted http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/CFchurch.html

Source: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FAQ.html#2

[BlueHound]

I respect a business owner's decision to ban firearms from his or her establishment, but they won't get any of my business.  Why should I walk into a place that advertises to criminals that their customers are unarmed? 

They have their policies, and I have mine.

[Pathfinder]

I'm a relative noob to this.   Everywhere I frequent regularly, I've never noticed a sign on the door.   Short of the school, I'm not aware of anywhere I'm normally going to have to stow my gun.  Guess I'm going to the right places already.

So far as boycotting a "no gun" store....I'll have to think about it.    If it is a private business, local, I'd have to say I respect that.   Thier choice.  Bigger business, corporate, not so much, seems more political.   Saying that, I would bet most local "ma and pa" stores are cool w/ it anyway.

I have become seriously weary of this argument. If a business - regardless of size - is open to the public, then they cannot discriminate. Imagine what would happen if your local, family-owned hardware store put up a sign saying No Blacks/Jews/Mexicans/Catholics/redheads/people under 6 feet/whatever, instead of the no guns sign.

And yet they freely discriminate against the lawful carrying of a concealed weapon. Why? Because it is politically and semi-culturally acceptable to do so. This is reprehensible, and why I am absolutely rigid on the enumerated rights from the Constitution, the foundational law of this country.

[RitaRose1945]

I have become seriously weary of this argument. If a business - regardless of size - is open to the public, then they cannot discriminate. Imagine what would happen if your local, family-owned hardware store put up a sign saying No Blacks/Jews/Mexicans/Catholics/redheads/people under 6 feet/whatever, instead of the no guns sign.

And yet they freely discriminate against the lawful carrying of a concealed weapon. Why? Because it is politically and semi-culturally acceptable to do so. This is reprehensible, and why I am absolutely rigid on the enumerated rights from the Constitution, the foundational law of this country.

Yes, but as a Libertarian, I have to say that business owners still have rights as individuals, and may choose whether they want a weapon in their establishment or not.  And you have the right to not go there.  The expression of my rights shouldn't limit yours in your own business.  If they want to limit my right to carry anywhere off their property, then they're going to get a fight, but on their property, it's their rules.

I just applied for work at a company that won't allow for any visible tattoos and has a limit of one piercing per ear, no piercings visible anywhere else.  My tattoos are covered by my pants and I haven't worn more than 2 earrings in ages.  If I didn't want to abide by those rules, then I could apply elsewhere.

[Pathfinder]

Yes, but as a Libertarian, I have to say that business owners still have rights as individuals, and may choose whether they want a weapon in their establishment or not.  And you have the right to not go there.  The expression of my rights shouldn't limit yours in your own business.  If they want to limit my right to carry anywhere off their property, then they're going to get a fight, but on their property, it's their rules.

I just applied for work at a company that won't allow for any visible tattoos and has a limit of one piercing per ear, no piercings visible anywhere else.  My tattoos are covered by my pants and I haven't worn more than 2 earrings in ages.  If I didn't want to abide by those rules, then I could apply elsewhere.

Individuals have rights, true, and if it were their home, I would agree. But we are talking about a business open to the public. Businesses - in spite of the SCOTUS ruling to the contrary - do NOT have rights, it's a corporate entity. They cannot eject anyone I described previously, so why are they allowed to discriminate against people exercising their lawful rights?

Libertarian or no, you have to insist on your rights or else they will be taken from you, piece by piece.

As for employment, that's not great but it is also part of the current game. Business can concoct all sorts of rules these days, but again, they discriminate because they can and can get away with it. Mainly because no one objects or pushes the matter. Libertarians in particular sit back and say what you say - it's their business and "right" - and miss the point that they ARE taking your rights and should not be able to do so so blatantly.

[RitaRose1945]

Individuals have rights, true, and if it were their home, I would agree. But we are talking about a business open to the public. Businesses - in spite of the SCOTUS ruling to the contrary - do NOT have rights, it's a corporate entity. They cannot eject anyone I described previously, so why are they allowed to discriminate against people exercising their lawful rights?

They're not discriminating against something that you have no control over.  They saying they don't want guns in their business, just as they may not want men/women with no shirts or teenagers with sagging pants or motorcycle riders with their helmets on, all of which are signs I've seen posted in my neck of the woods.  They can also limit the number of teenagers in their store at one time or close for a holiday that no one else celebrates.  Or keep it open on Christmas.  It's their store and they get to run it as they see fit.

Libertarian or no, you have to insist on your rights or else they will be taken from you, piece by piece.

But why are the customers rights more important than the business owners?  The customer can go elsewhere, the business owner can't.  Why can't the business owner run his business the way he sees fit?

Libertarians in particular sit back and say what you say - it's their business and "right" - and miss the point that they ARE taking your rights and should not be able to do so so blatantly.

Because we believe ALL people have rights, and in order to keep my rights, I have to respect and fight to keep others' rights, including the rights of those that I may not agree with.  No one's rights are less important than anyone else's, and that includes business owners.  You're on their turf, so they get to set the house rules.

[nelson96]

Very well said RitaRose, I whole heartedly agree with you.  I would not agree with the decision of a business owner to ban guns in their establishment, but agree that he/she has and should have every right to do so.

[Duc1]

I wouldn't waste my time.  There are plenty of stores that don't have signs.  That's where I shop.  I don't equate not writing letters as hiding under a rock. Anti Gunners not getting my money is good enough.  Letters don't do crap but waste my time.

[excaliber]

for the longest time I had boycotted Buffalo wild wings because I had read they didnt allow concealed carry, on a recent trip to Fort Smith AR, all my coworkers wanted to eat there so I went under protest, however I checked both entrances and windows and found no such sign. their wings were great!

[theBINKYhunter]

for the longest time I had boycotted Buffalo wild wings because I had read they didnt allow concealed carry, on a recent trip to Fort Smith AR, all my coworkers wanted to eat there so I went under protest, however I checked both entrances and windows and found no such sign. their wings were great!

here's a question: what if an establishment has the no guns sign on one door, but not the other? i tend to walk into the door without the sign 

[Mr. Bill]

Costco has prohibited firearms for many years.  I didn't know about this until today.  But note these ancient posts:

Costco seems to be hit or miss.  Supposedly it's corporate policy, but usually the local manager can or won't post the sign....hit or miss on the stores.

My Costco has no signs. I least I've never seen any.

I don't know how long ago they instituted their no-guns policy, but here's a photo of a March 2010 memo to Costco employees explaining the policy:

http://www.2acheck.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Costco-Internal-Gun-Policy-Memo.jpg

I like the part about "This memo should not be posted." 

According to 2acheck.com, prior to 2014 this was an almost-secret policy that could only be found by digging through their corporate website.  In 2014 they added it to the Member Privileges & Conditions:

Costco policy prohibits firearms to be brought into the warehouse, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers.

More info here: Are guns & personal firearms allowed in Costco Warehouses?

Costco Wholesale is a membership-only warehouse club. It isn't open to the general public. As such, it restricts membership to qualified individuals who agree to our membership conditions. We have the right, and the obligation to our members, to enact and enforce our membership rules.

By obtaining a Costco membership card, our members agree to comply with the Membership Rules and the Privileges and Conditions of membership. The Member Service Employees at the exit doors are also obliged to follow these rules.

At Costco, we don't believe it's necessary to bring firearms into its warehouses, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace.

Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world. This isn't a new policy, and we don't customize this policy for each city/county/state/country where we do business.

Our primary goal at Costco Wholesale is to keep our members happy. If you believe that our policy restricting members from bringing firearms into our warehouses is unfair or excessively burdensome, or you cannot agree to abide by this policy, Costco will promptly refund your annual membership fee in full upon request. Thank you for your understanding.

My impression is that the policy is still, effectively, semi-secret.  Possibly I received a copy of the Member Privileges & Conditions when I joined in 1992, but the current version isn't posted anywhere in the store that I can see, I don't recall receiving an update in 2014 with the firearms ban, and I've never seen any "No Firearms" signs at the entrance.

[CarbideAndIron]

Costco want's us to buy our gun safes there, but not allow guns. Of course, hypocrisy everywhere these days. This is why I rarely OC, I can CC anywhere except a court house. They don't need to know.